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I thought about how that hesitancy to speak can muddy the waters of consent, and I wanted to explore that idea with people who talk about sex a lot: the kink community, or kinksters, as they're known.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Merriam-Webster's definition of kink is \"unconventional sexual taste or behavior\" and includes a wide variety of behaviors and preferences. That includes BDSM—a subset of kink—which stands for bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, sadism and masochism. Being tied up or handcuffed (bondage), spanked (discipline) and role-playing all fall under BDSM.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To make sure each partner is on the same page, kinksters have to talk about sex in a way that vanilla people—those who don't participate in kinky activities — often don't. Julie, a kinkster and sociologist in the Washington, D.C., area, believes that the communication kinksters have with one another distinguishes them from \"vanillas.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Ultimately, what it seems to come down to more than anything is not how many whips and chains are involved, but rather how openly are you willing to talk about the sex that you're having in the most blatant of terms,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of course, the kink community isn't perfect, as several kinksters told me. It has had some high-profile cases of bad behavior—nonconsensual or even abusive—and as a community, it is dealing with its own need to root out abuse. The kinksters I talked to stressed the importance of evolving the conversation to be even more thoughtful in navigating sex and consent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since this is a community that has made an art out of talking openly about sex, I sat down with a group of kinksters in Washington, D.C., to learn some better ways to think and talk about consent. We aren't using their full names to protect their current and future employment opportunities. Here's what I found out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Consent isn't a simple yes-or-no question ... it's a dialogue\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-112531 aligncenter\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-800x449.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"449\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-800x449.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-768x431.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-1020x572.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-1200x673.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-1920x1077.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A core principle of kink is negotiating with a prospective partner before anything happens. If that negotiation is done right, it's more like a collaboration toward a common goal: each party's pleasure. That includes discussing what's about to happen before it happens, hashing out boundaries and ensuring that everyone involved is on the same page.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Ren, the kind of consent she's getting is especially important. She organizes cigar socials—events where kinksters can explore the ritual of smoking cigars in a more sexual context. That could include one partner preparing the cigar for their dominant partner, presenting it and lighting it in a show of submission. Ren says she has started working only with what she calls \"enthusiastic consent.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's opt-in consent, as opposed to what the vanilla world works with—which is opt-out consent. 'If you don't say no, it's fine' versus what I go for is, 'If you say yes, it's good.' \" For Ren, that opt-in consent means only doing to a partner what has already been discussed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But consent isn't just something given or received at the beginning—it needs to be ongoing. Julie says: \"I'm most sexually compatible with the kinds of people who say, 'Of course I'll tell you if something's wrong.' I don't want to be in a situation where I don't trust you to tell me if there's a problem.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ren adds that there have been multiple times when she has stopped having sex with a person when they've done something to her that she specifically told them not to do: \"I've kindly given them their pants back, and I've been like, 'Well, it's time for you to go.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consent is ongoing, and partners should be talking; if something goes wrong and someone wants to stop, everything should stop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Talk about sex before you have sex. Talk about sex during sex. Talk about sex after sex,\" says Heather, who works with the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, an advocacy group for kinksters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's okay to have a discussion the next day or the week after and say, 'I liked this but I didn't like that or can we try this next time?' etc,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When you talk about sex acts, talk about what they mean to you\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The kinksters I spoke with said there was not a perfect checklist or script for how to talk about sex. Remy, a lawyer in the N.Y. area, says that's because everybody is different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People have different minds, and that sounds very simple but what it can mean in practice is that somebody could do everything right and have taken every precaution and the other person with whom they are doing something can still experience that as a violation of consent,\" Remy says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is why it's so important to kinksters to talk frankly with one another about what they want and about how they want to feel. What does each person want to experience? What do you want to feel emotionally?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There are so many things that when we get too hung up on specifics of activity, we lose track of some of the meaning—and a lot of times, the meaning is what affects people more,\" says Evan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Heather says she prints out a \u003ca href=\"http://www.robot-hugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/negotiation-cheat-sheet.pdf\">short checklist on negotiation\u003c/a>. \"I always tell people: 'This is not a comprehensive list but is a great conversation starter for both sides,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the very top of the list is the question \"Mood: How do we want to feel?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ren says that question requires a little bit of self-reflection. \"I don't want to have bad sex anymore, so it's like how do I want to feel during sex? Well, I want to feel powerless, and then having conversations based on that in order to find compatible people to have that type of sex with.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"One of the most useful pieces of advice is not just negotiating what's going on but negotiating what things mean,\" says Evan. \"You can say to someone, like, 'I want to be spanked. I want you to spank me,' but what does that look like? What does it mean, where does it involve touching?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Make the consent conversation fun and seductive\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-112528 aligncenter\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-768x512.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yes, having frank and open discussions about sex can be awkward, but kinksters say they're able to have fun with it, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think there's a real failure in the imagination of a lot of the broad public to think that you can't ask for and even, you know, specifically in a detailed manner negotiate activities, without it also being sexy,\" Evan says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The kinksters' \"negotiation cheat sheet\" encourages talking about things like each party's hard limits and triggers, level of experience, and who is doing what in the scenario (for example: who is being spanked and who is doing the spanking). It also suggests talking about each person's tolerance of the risk of minor harm, like rope or wax burns, or the potential emotional impacts from play.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And all of it can be sexy to talk about, says Ren.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There are so many ways you can get consent without going 'I'd like to kiss you right now' or 'I'd like to touch your leg,' \" Ren adds. \"Like begging can be really hot. And if you make somebody beg for the thing they want, you would assume that they want that thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Talking about fantasies is another way to figure out what a partner might want to do in bed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A lot of time, when you start from fantasies, you can get a much better picture of how someone wants to feel,\" Julie says. \"Then at some point, it becomes a question of 'You fantasize about this thing, are you actually okay with doing it in reality?' So then it's a matter of trying to make that feeling happen.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Get good at describing what gives you pleasure\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of us have been socialized to find it shameful to ask for what we want sexually, and Julie thinks that needs to change to make communicating about sex easier.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When we're too ashamed to do it when we're sober, and [think] that anyone who's had sex with too many people isn't worthy of marrying, you make it impossible for people to have a context for open and honest sexual communication,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For kinksters, it's not just about ensuring that all parties involved are comfortable and consent to what's happening. It's about having good sex. It's about feeling empowered to ask for what you want out of sex—without being shamed for it—so you can have the sex that you want to have with the people you want to have it with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think the vanilla society are missing out on a lot of feelings and emotions and satisfaction that they could get if they would be more open and honest with each other and more willing to communicate about these things,\" Heather says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And for Ren, that's one of the biggest changes she has found since joining the kink community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Getting better negotiation skills led to better sex, Ren says. \"A lot of my experiences with my partners are a lot better now because I'm a lot better at communicating the things I want out of our interactions, and I'm also able to give them more of the things they want.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit\u003c/em> \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">\u003cem>NPR\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=How+To+Talk+About+Sex+%28And+Consent%29%3A+4+Lessons+From+The+Kink+Community&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"People who are into kink make an art of talking about what they want or don't want in the bedroom. Here's their advice for making awkward talks sexy.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1561406005,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":45,"wordCount":1817},"headData":{"title":"Lessons From The Kink Community About Sex And Consent | KQED","description":"People who are into kink make an art of talking about what they want or don't want in the bedroom. Here's their advice for making awkward talks sexy.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"112207 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=112207","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/06/28/lessons-from-the-kink-community-about-sex-and-consent/","disqusTitle":"Lessons From The Kink Community About Sex And Consent","nprByline":"Mallory Yu","nprImageAgency":"Nicole Xu for NPR","nprStoryId":"728398532","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=728398532&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/06/01/728398532/how-to-talk-about-sex-and-consent-4-lessons-from-the-kink-community?ft=nprml&f=728398532","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:03:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Sat, 01 Jun 2019 09:00:49 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:03:07 -0400","path":"/pop/112207/lessons-from-the-kink-community-about-sex-and-consent","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>I don't remember when the concept of consent as it relates to sex became part of my vocabulary, but it shapes how I approach my personal relationships and affects the way I move through the world. I was shaken when the #MeToo movement exploded, not only by the stories of sexual assault and harassment but also by the stories of women who had felt pressured or coerced into having sex they didn't want.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I flashed back to my own similarly uncomfortable experiences, when I was single and new to D.C. I remembered times on dates when I had expressed my discomfort by simply pulling away or turning my head when a guy tried to kiss or touch me when I didn't want to be kissed or touched. I was familiar with the sickening feeling of being distressed by something that was happening, while also feeling unable or hesitant to speak up for myself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It has been on my mind a lot recently, how I, like so many people, have been socialized not to talk about sex because it's uncomfortable or awkward or it might kill the mood. I thought about how that hesitancy to speak can muddy the waters of consent, and I wanted to explore that idea with people who talk about sex a lot: the kink community, or kinksters, as they're known.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Merriam-Webster's definition of kink is \"unconventional sexual taste or behavior\" and includes a wide variety of behaviors and preferences. That includes BDSM—a subset of kink—which stands for bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, sadism and masochism. Being tied up or handcuffed (bondage), spanked (discipline) and role-playing all fall under BDSM.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To make sure each partner is on the same page, kinksters have to talk about sex in a way that vanilla people—those who don't participate in kinky activities — often don't. Julie, a kinkster and sociologist in the Washington, D.C., area, believes that the communication kinksters have with one another distinguishes them from \"vanillas.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Ultimately, what it seems to come down to more than anything is not how many whips and chains are involved, but rather how openly are you willing to talk about the sex that you're having in the most blatant of terms,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of course, the kink community isn't perfect, as several kinksters told me. It has had some high-profile cases of bad behavior—nonconsensual or even abusive—and as a community, it is dealing with its own need to root out abuse. The kinksters I talked to stressed the importance of evolving the conversation to be even more thoughtful in navigating sex and consent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since this is a community that has made an art out of talking openly about sex, I sat down with a group of kinksters in Washington, D.C., to learn some better ways to think and talk about consent. We aren't using their full names to protect their current and future employment opportunities. Here's what I found out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Consent isn't a simple yes-or-no question ... it's a dialogue\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-112531 aligncenter\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-800x449.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"449\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-800x449.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-768x431.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-1020x572.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-1200x673.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash-1920x1077.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/juno-jo-S1NATyorb7c-unsplash.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A core principle of kink is negotiating with a prospective partner before anything happens. If that negotiation is done right, it's more like a collaboration toward a common goal: each party's pleasure. That includes discussing what's about to happen before it happens, hashing out boundaries and ensuring that everyone involved is on the same page.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Ren, the kind of consent she's getting is especially important. She organizes cigar socials—events where kinksters can explore the ritual of smoking cigars in a more sexual context. That could include one partner preparing the cigar for their dominant partner, presenting it and lighting it in a show of submission. Ren says she has started working only with what she calls \"enthusiastic consent.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's opt-in consent, as opposed to what the vanilla world works with—which is opt-out consent. 'If you don't say no, it's fine' versus what I go for is, 'If you say yes, it's good.' \" For Ren, that opt-in consent means only doing to a partner what has already been discussed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But consent isn't just something given or received at the beginning—it needs to be ongoing. Julie says: \"I'm most sexually compatible with the kinds of people who say, 'Of course I'll tell you if something's wrong.' I don't want to be in a situation where I don't trust you to tell me if there's a problem.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ren adds that there have been multiple times when she has stopped having sex with a person when they've done something to her that she specifically told them not to do: \"I've kindly given them their pants back, and I've been like, 'Well, it's time for you to go.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consent is ongoing, and partners should be talking; if something goes wrong and someone wants to stop, everything should stop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Talk about sex before you have sex. Talk about sex during sex. Talk about sex after sex,\" says Heather, who works with the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, an advocacy group for kinksters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's okay to have a discussion the next day or the week after and say, 'I liked this but I didn't like that or can we try this next time?' etc,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When you talk about sex acts, talk about what they mean to you\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The kinksters I spoke with said there was not a perfect checklist or script for how to talk about sex. Remy, a lawyer in the N.Y. area, says that's because everybody is different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People have different minds, and that sounds very simple but what it can mean in practice is that somebody could do everything right and have taken every precaution and the other person with whom they are doing something can still experience that as a violation of consent,\" Remy says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is why it's so important to kinksters to talk frankly with one another about what they want and about how they want to feel. What does each person want to experience? What do you want to feel emotionally?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There are so many things that when we get too hung up on specifics of activity, we lose track of some of the meaning—and a lot of times, the meaning is what affects people more,\" says Evan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Heather says she prints out a \u003ca href=\"http://www.robot-hugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/negotiation-cheat-sheet.pdf\">short checklist on negotiation\u003c/a>. \"I always tell people: 'This is not a comprehensive list but is a great conversation starter for both sides,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the very top of the list is the question \"Mood: How do we want to feel?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ren says that question requires a little bit of self-reflection. \"I don't want to have bad sex anymore, so it's like how do I want to feel during sex? Well, I want to feel powerless, and then having conversations based on that in order to find compatible people to have that type of sex with.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"One of the most useful pieces of advice is not just negotiating what's going on but negotiating what things mean,\" says Evan. \"You can say to someone, like, 'I want to be spanked. I want you to spank me,' but what does that look like? What does it mean, where does it involve touching?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Make the consent conversation fun and seductive\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-112528 aligncenter\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-768x512.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/marcelo-matarazzo-eoll6jVrEM0-unsplash.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yes, having frank and open discussions about sex can be awkward, but kinksters say they're able to have fun with it, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think there's a real failure in the imagination of a lot of the broad public to think that you can't ask for and even, you know, specifically in a detailed manner negotiate activities, without it also being sexy,\" Evan says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The kinksters' \"negotiation cheat sheet\" encourages talking about things like each party's hard limits and triggers, level of experience, and who is doing what in the scenario (for example: who is being spanked and who is doing the spanking). It also suggests talking about each person's tolerance of the risk of minor harm, like rope or wax burns, or the potential emotional impacts from play.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And all of it can be sexy to talk about, says Ren.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There are so many ways you can get consent without going 'I'd like to kiss you right now' or 'I'd like to touch your leg,' \" Ren adds. \"Like begging can be really hot. And if you make somebody beg for the thing they want, you would assume that they want that thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Talking about fantasies is another way to figure out what a partner might want to do in bed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A lot of time, when you start from fantasies, you can get a much better picture of how someone wants to feel,\" Julie says. \"Then at some point, it becomes a question of 'You fantasize about this thing, are you actually okay with doing it in reality?' So then it's a matter of trying to make that feeling happen.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Get good at describing what gives you pleasure\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of us have been socialized to find it shameful to ask for what we want sexually, and Julie thinks that needs to change to make communicating about sex easier.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When we're too ashamed to do it when we're sober, and [think] that anyone who's had sex with too many people isn't worthy of marrying, you make it impossible for people to have a context for open and honest sexual communication,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For kinksters, it's not just about ensuring that all parties involved are comfortable and consent to what's happening. It's about having good sex. It's about feeling empowered to ask for what you want out of sex—without being shamed for it—so you can have the sex that you want to have with the people you want to have it with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think the vanilla society are missing out on a lot of feelings and emotions and satisfaction that they could get if they would be more open and honest with each other and more willing to communicate about these things,\" Heather says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And for Ren, that's one of the biggest changes she has found since joining the kink community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Getting better negotiation skills led to better sex, Ren says. \"A lot of my experiences with my partners are a lot better now because I'm a lot better at communicating the things I want out of our interactions, and I'm also able to give them more of the things they want.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit\u003c/em> \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">\u003cem>NPR\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=How+To+Talk+About+Sex+%28And+Consent%29%3A+4+Lessons+From+The+Kink+Community&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/112207/lessons-from-the-kink-community-about-sex-and-consent","authors":["byline_pop_112207"],"categories":["pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_1329","pop_3211","pop_1328"],"featImg":"pop_112210","label":"pop"},"pop_110884":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_110884","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"110884","score":null,"sort":[1554928443000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"new-sexting-system-slutbot-is-a-real-life-black-mirror-episode-waiting-to-happen","title":"New Sexting System 'Slutbot' Is A Real-Life 'Black Mirror' Episode Waiting To Happen","publishDate":1554928443,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Slutbot is being hailed as a worthwhile invention. \"Sexting can be a fun, relatively stress-free way to explore your sexuality,\" \u003ca href=\"https://hellogiggles.com/lifestyle/slutbot-sexting-help/\">reports \u003cem>Hello Giggles\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"But if you’ve never done it before, the idea of sexting might stress you TF out. If that sounds familiar, then Slutbot might be for you.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Slutbot is a system created by sex-ed teachers and erotic fiction writers that will engage you in sexual conversation via text. The goal, apparently, is to teach proper sexting etiquette. The bot asks for consent before each session, offers users a safeword (it's \"pineapple\" btw) and doesn't respond positively to unsolicited photos of body parts or—confusingly for an app with the word \"slut\" in the title—words like \"whore\" and \"bitch.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This new service is coming to us from the makers of San Francisco's very own relationship and sex advice app, \u003ca href=\"https://www.juiceboxit.com/\">Juicebox\u003c/a>, apparently in response to a multitude of queries about how to sext properly. It's a nice idea in theory, but, put it under any scrutiny at all and it starts feeling an awful lot like a\u003cem> Black Mirror\u003c/em> version of \u003cem>Her\u003c/em>. (The technical advancements start out with the best of intentions in both of those too, remember?)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QRvTv_tpw0\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea that Slutbot might bring humans closer together is pretty ludicrous. Research into relationships in the age of tech makes it abundantly clear that—and this sounds like a '90s joke about nerds—the more technology we use to connect, the less sex we have. It's why the demographic that sexts the most—18 to 24-year-olds—are now \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111631250081632256\">having less sex\u003c/a> than people in their 50s. It's why men under 30 are now \u003ca href=\"https://nypost.com/2019/04/03/men-are-having-a-lot-less-sex-and-dating-apps-are-to-blame/\">30 percent more likely\u003c/a> to go a year without sex than they were a decade ago (though finances and employment status also play a role).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/\">According to Jean M. Twenge\u003c/a>, author of \u003cem>iGen\u003c/em>, people in their early-20s are now two and a half times more likely to be celibate than Gen Xers were at the same age. In 2015, only 56 percent of high school seniors went on actual dates—that's almost 30 percent less than Baby Boomers and Generation X did. Fifteen-year-olds now have 40% less sex than teens in 1991 did, and teens overall lose their virginity about a year later than previous generations. These trends began in earnest in 2012, the same year smartphone ownership in America passed the 50 percent mark. For people in their 20s, the sharpest drop in sexual activity happened between 2014 and 2016. The fact that 2014 was the year Tinder blew up, processing over \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinder_(app)\">a billion swipes a day\u003c/a> by October, is quite the coincidence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ability to communicate online has disincentivized humans in many ways. Leaving the house and meeting people in person has become less necessary across the board. In the '90s, if you were feeling frisky, you asked someone out on a date or immediately went out to a public place to interact. With access to porn at an all-time high and the ability to instantly indulge in sexual exchanges with people via text, it's no wonder humans are having less actual sex.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Juicebox's CEO Brianna Rade has herself noted that the Slutbot is \"\u003ca href=\"https://venturebeat.com/2019/04/09/juicebox-launches-slutbot-chatbot-to-teach-people-proper-sexting/\">almost like interactive erotica\u003c/a>.” As such, the SMS service has the potential to go from training tool to final destination. Why risk the potential awkwardness of sexting another human when a willing bot is available around the clock? While Slutbot might ultimately save a lot of eyes from unsolicited dick pics, the potential for this to turn into yet another barrier between humans is real.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One 28-year-old recently interviewed by \u003ca href=\"https://nypost.com/2019/04/03/men-are-having-a-lot-less-sex-and-dating-apps-are-to-blame/\">\u003cem>The New York Post\u003c/em>\u003c/a> described his own predicament: \"Ten years ago, people would always get back to me online. Now, it’s only half the time or less,\" he said. \"I was so dependent on [online dating in] my early 20s, [and that’s when] people learn a lot of skills. I feel like I have to relearn how to find dates and have sex with people that I like without using apps.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the end of the article, the man had deleted all his dating apps and simply started going out more. It's probably a smart move. After all, there's no better way to learn about interacting with other humans than interacting with humans. Using bots to teach us about human intimacy is both a slippery slope and a contradiction in terms. If we are ever to get out of what the \u003cem>Washington Post\u003c/em> has called \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/\">\"the great American sex drought,\"\u003c/a> we need to be using less tech, not more.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"While Slutbot might ultimately save a lot of eyes from unsolicited dick pics, the potential for this to turn into yet another barrier between humans is real.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1554928443,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":11,"wordCount":810},"headData":{"title":"New Sexting System 'Slutbot' Is A Real-Life 'Black Mirror' Episode Waiting To Happen | KQED","description":"While Slutbot might ultimately save a lot of eyes from unsolicited dick pics, the potential for this to turn into yet another barrier between humans is real.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"110884 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=110884","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/04/10/new-sexting-system-slutbot-is-a-real-life-black-mirror-episode-waiting-to-happen/","disqusTitle":"New Sexting System 'Slutbot' Is A Real-Life 'Black Mirror' Episode Waiting To Happen","path":"/pop/110884/new-sexting-system-slutbot-is-a-real-life-black-mirror-episode-waiting-to-happen","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Slutbot is being hailed as a worthwhile invention. \"Sexting can be a fun, relatively stress-free way to explore your sexuality,\" \u003ca href=\"https://hellogiggles.com/lifestyle/slutbot-sexting-help/\">reports \u003cem>Hello Giggles\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"But if you’ve never done it before, the idea of sexting might stress you TF out. If that sounds familiar, then Slutbot might be for you.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Slutbot is a system created by sex-ed teachers and erotic fiction writers that will engage you in sexual conversation via text. The goal, apparently, is to teach proper sexting etiquette. The bot asks for consent before each session, offers users a safeword (it's \"pineapple\" btw) and doesn't respond positively to unsolicited photos of body parts or—confusingly for an app with the word \"slut\" in the title—words like \"whore\" and \"bitch.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This new service is coming to us from the makers of San Francisco's very own relationship and sex advice app, \u003ca href=\"https://www.juiceboxit.com/\">Juicebox\u003c/a>, apparently in response to a multitude of queries about how to sext properly. It's a nice idea in theory, but, put it under any scrutiny at all and it starts feeling an awful lot like a\u003cem> Black Mirror\u003c/em> version of \u003cem>Her\u003c/em>. (The technical advancements start out with the best of intentions in both of those too, remember?)\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/6QRvTv_tpw0'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/6QRvTv_tpw0'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>The idea that Slutbot might bring humans closer together is pretty ludicrous. Research into relationships in the age of tech makes it abundantly clear that—and this sounds like a '90s joke about nerds—the more technology we use to connect, the less sex we have. It's why the demographic that sexts the most—18 to 24-year-olds—are now \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111631250081632256\">having less sex\u003c/a> than people in their 50s. It's why men under 30 are now \u003ca href=\"https://nypost.com/2019/04/03/men-are-having-a-lot-less-sex-and-dating-apps-are-to-blame/\">30 percent more likely\u003c/a> to go a year without sex than they were a decade ago (though finances and employment status also play a role).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/\">According to Jean M. Twenge\u003c/a>, author of \u003cem>iGen\u003c/em>, people in their early-20s are now two and a half times more likely to be celibate than Gen Xers were at the same age. In 2015, only 56 percent of high school seniors went on actual dates—that's almost 30 percent less than Baby Boomers and Generation X did. Fifteen-year-olds now have 40% less sex than teens in 1991 did, and teens overall lose their virginity about a year later than previous generations. These trends began in earnest in 2012, the same year smartphone ownership in America passed the 50 percent mark. For people in their 20s, the sharpest drop in sexual activity happened between 2014 and 2016. The fact that 2014 was the year Tinder blew up, processing over \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinder_(app)\">a billion swipes a day\u003c/a> by October, is quite the coincidence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ability to communicate online has disincentivized humans in many ways. Leaving the house and meeting people in person has become less necessary across the board. In the '90s, if you were feeling frisky, you asked someone out on a date or immediately went out to a public place to interact. With access to porn at an all-time high and the ability to instantly indulge in sexual exchanges with people via text, it's no wonder humans are having less actual sex.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Juicebox's CEO Brianna Rade has herself noted that the Slutbot is \"\u003ca href=\"https://venturebeat.com/2019/04/09/juicebox-launches-slutbot-chatbot-to-teach-people-proper-sexting/\">almost like interactive erotica\u003c/a>.” As such, the SMS service has the potential to go from training tool to final destination. Why risk the potential awkwardness of sexting another human when a willing bot is available around the clock? While Slutbot might ultimately save a lot of eyes from unsolicited dick pics, the potential for this to turn into yet another barrier between humans is real.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One 28-year-old recently interviewed by \u003ca href=\"https://nypost.com/2019/04/03/men-are-having-a-lot-less-sex-and-dating-apps-are-to-blame/\">\u003cem>The New York Post\u003c/em>\u003c/a> described his own predicament: \"Ten years ago, people would always get back to me online. Now, it’s only half the time or less,\" he said. \"I was so dependent on [online dating in] my early 20s, [and that’s when] people learn a lot of skills. I feel like I have to relearn how to find dates and have sex with people that I like without using apps.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the end of the article, the man had deleted all his dating apps and simply started going out more. It's probably a smart move. After all, there's no better way to learn about interacting with other humans than interacting with humans. Using bots to teach us about human intimacy is both a slippery slope and a contradiction in terms. If we are ever to get out of what the \u003cem>Washington Post\u003c/em> has called \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/\">\"the great American sex drought,\"\u003c/a> we need to be using less tech, not more.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/110884/new-sexting-system-slutbot-is-a-real-life-black-mirror-episode-waiting-to-happen","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_1155"],"tags":["pop_1068","pop_3341","pop_1328","pop_3555","pop_1154"],"featImg":"pop_110887","label":"pop"},"pop_103470":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_103470","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"103470","score":null,"sort":[1525818551000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"why-wont-dj-khaled-ride-the-downtown-bus","title":"Why Won't DJ Khaled Ride the Downtown Bus?","publishDate":1525818551,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>The interview may have been three years old, but when DJ Khaled's 2015 comments about \u003ca href=\"https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/dj-khaled-the-breakfast-club-oral-sex-interview-2015-a8337276.html\">\"never\" performing oral sex on women\u003c/a> recently re-emerged, the internet blew up in the most delightful way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/MikeDrucker/status/993083054930440192\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/nadiacakes/status/992970277150691328\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/billyeichner/status/992542718273376256\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Khaled asserted during the \u003cem>Breakfast Club\u003c/em> interview that his position was related to traditional male-female roles, and that he showed his appreciation for women by buying them things. “It’s different rules for men,\" he said. \"You gotta understand, we the king. There’s some things that y’all might not wanna do, but it got to get done. I just can’t do what you want me to do. I just can’t.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The subsequent internet furor suggested that DJ Khaled was grossly out of touch with the sexual mores of the 21st century. But the truth of the matter is that a great many men share his views, and merely have enough sense to not admit it publicly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In April 2016, \u003ca href=\"https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/abs/10.3138/cjhs.251-A2\">\u003cem>The Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality\u003c/em> reported\u003c/a> that, in a study of 899 heterosexual university students, \"more men (63 percent) than women (44 percent) reported receiving oral sex,\" even though \"men were significantly more likely than women to report that giving oral sex was very pleasurable (52 percent vs. 28 percent).\" To really hammer home the general unfairness, \"no gender differences were found for overall pleasure ratings of receiving oral sex.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-103481\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/05/tumblr_m3nwqfxjFF1qly8bxo1_500.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The disparity is a little odd, given how long humans have been practicing the act — the Karma Sutra documented cunnilingus in the third century, and you can bet it existed far before that. Even the Victorians were down — in the first half of the 1800s, Achille Jacques-Jean-Marie Devéria painted depictions that were performed by both \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Achille_Dev%C3%A9ria_erotism.jpg\">men\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OttomanCunnilingusOrientalism.jpg\">women.\u003c/a> Later that century, Paul Avril included it in his sizable \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard-Henri_Avril\">series of erotic paintings.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So where does the stigma about tipping the velvet come from? The language DJ Khaled used was telling: he sees receiving oral sex as being \"praised\" by his partner. For him, this act is not a shared pleasure, it's a duty to be performed for the \"King\" of the household, to show gratitude. This reasoning, about who holds the power within the sex act, undoubtedly suggests that Khaled would see returning the favor as somehow an act of subservience. Clearly, there is a fear that to submit to pleasuring a woman would somehow make him less of a man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you buy into these kinds of old hetero gender-role stereotypes, it stands as a bit of a no-brainer that, in the midst of receiving, many men believe they hold all of the power. The irony is, most women who enjoy giving oral sex feel the exact same way. \"There’s something that seems so submissive about it,\" \u003ca href=\"https://thoughtcatalog.com/lisa-woods/2016/05/27-orally-obsessed-women-share-exactly-why-they-find-giving-blowjobs-soooo-hot/\">one BJ enthusiast wrote for \u003cem>Thought Catalog\u003c/em> in 2016\u003c/a>, \"but in reality, you’re the one in control of his pleasure. [When he] is in full on pleasure mode... it’s all because of me.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A 2013 \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2013/nov/28/oral-sex-movies-cunnilingus-problem-evan-rachel-wood\">\u003cem>Guardian\u003c/em> article\u003c/a> about movie representations of cunnilingus suggests that pop culture at large only perpetuates outmoded ideas about heterosexual power dynamics: \"In Hollywood, if a woman receives oral sex, she's a Madonna; if she gives it, she's a whore.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not that women in mainstream film are seen on the receiving end a great deal. There are exceptions — \u003cem>Pulp Fiction\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Away We Go, Monster's Ball, \u003c/em>pretty much anything by Jane Campion — but remember, too, that scenes depicting men heading downtown were cut from \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103772/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Basic Instinct\u003c/em>\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1196948/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Charlie Countryman.\u003c/em>\u003c/a> Plus they were the reason \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1120985/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Blue Valentine\u003c/em>\u003c/a> got an NC-17 rating and \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124179/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Two Girls and a Guy\u003c/em>\u003c/a> got slapped with an R. \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Boys Don't Cry\u003c/em>\u003c/a> was also forced by the MPAA to cut an oral sex scene. Movies seem to get away with more if the cunnilingus has a comedic element. (See: \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n9uQKEyFWI&has_verified=1\">\u003cem>American Pie 2\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, and \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FRDcwEsWo4\">\u003cem>Scary Movie\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, in which a guy goes down on Anna Faris and, after three seconds, starts dry heaving — not exactly helpful.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-103474\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/05/Dcgm.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"269\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TV has, in all fairness, made great strides forward in the oral stakes recently, thanks to scenes in \u003cem>Girls, Orange is the New Black, House of Cards, The Good Wife, Grey’s Anatomy, Nashville\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Scandal — \u003c/em>but there is always room for improvement. The stilted progress is in no way surprising if you consider that, as recently as 2010, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/mar/16/tampon-vagina-kotex-advertising\">a Kotex tampon commercial was banned\u003c/a> for merely using the word \"vagina.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A study published in \u003ca href=\"https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/196/12/1852/893478\">December 2007 in \u003cem>The Journal of Infectious Diseases\u003c/em>\u003c/a> suggested that relationship status plays a role in the oral practices of straight males. A positive correlation was found between the number of sexual partners men had in their lifetime, and their willingness to give oral sex. Race also apparently played a role, with \"a higher percentage of whites than blacks or Hispanics report[ing] giving or receiving oral sex.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Music is perhaps the easiest arena in which to broach the subject. All the way back in 1988, the Yeastie Girlz demanded \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iTVs3wemEY\">You Suck\u003c/a>.\" In '92, Madonna sang about \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-stBz5ovvj8\">\u003cem>dining in and eating out\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\" In '93, Bikini Kill went in pursuit of what was euphemistically referred to as \"Sugar.\" Since then, we've had disco hits about it (Goldfrapp's \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAhMo-wWTsk\">Twist\u003c/a>\"), soul jams from women in their sixties (Denise Lasalle's \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLWVqUZvT0\">Lick it Before You Stick It\u003c/a>\" is amazing), and an array of no-nonsense hip-hop. From Missy Elliott's request that you \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjIvu7e6Wq8\">eat it like a vulture\u003c/a>\" and Lil Kim's multiple references in at least three songs, to, most legendarily of all, Khia's \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjSqj6GUtik\">My Neck, My Back\u003c/a>.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, we can only hope that Lil Wayne — who's been working his butt off to\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IH8tNQAzSs\"> big up the joy\u003c/a> of orally pleasuring women for a decade now — has a chat with his friend and sometime collaborator DJ Khaled soon. And Lil Waynes all over the world need to start talking openly to their scaredy cat friends who won't go down — a 2015 \u003ca href=\"https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a37812/cosmo-orgasm-survey/\">\u003cem>Cosmopolitan\u003c/em>\u003c/a> survey found that the majority of orgasms experienced by women happened when they were pleasuring themselves. Perhaps the 67 percent of women who admitted to faking orgasms in that survey wouldn't have had to do so if pleasuring women wasn't so often seen as a threat to masculinity.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"DJ Khaled has an oral phobia... and studies prove he's not alone.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1525818551,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":1109},"headData":{"title":"Why Won't DJ Khaled Ride the Downtown Bus? | KQED","description":"DJ Khaled has an oral phobia... and studies prove he's not alone.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"103470 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=103470","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2018/05/08/why-wont-dj-khaled-ride-the-downtown-bus/","disqusTitle":"Why Won't DJ Khaled Ride the Downtown Bus?","path":"/pop/103470/why-wont-dj-khaled-ride-the-downtown-bus","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The interview may have been three years old, but when DJ Khaled's 2015 comments about \u003ca href=\"https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/dj-khaled-the-breakfast-club-oral-sex-interview-2015-a8337276.html\">\"never\" performing oral sex on women\u003c/a> recently re-emerged, the internet blew up in the most delightful way.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"993083054930440192"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"992970277150691328"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"992542718273376256"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Khaled asserted during the \u003cem>Breakfast Club\u003c/em> interview that his position was related to traditional male-female roles, and that he showed his appreciation for women by buying them things. “It’s different rules for men,\" he said. \"You gotta understand, we the king. There’s some things that y’all might not wanna do, but it got to get done. I just can’t do what you want me to do. I just can’t.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The subsequent internet furor suggested that DJ Khaled was grossly out of touch with the sexual mores of the 21st century. But the truth of the matter is that a great many men share his views, and merely have enough sense to not admit it publicly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In April 2016, \u003ca href=\"https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/abs/10.3138/cjhs.251-A2\">\u003cem>The Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality\u003c/em> reported\u003c/a> that, in a study of 899 heterosexual university students, \"more men (63 percent) than women (44 percent) reported receiving oral sex,\" even though \"men were significantly more likely than women to report that giving oral sex was very pleasurable (52 percent vs. 28 percent).\" To really hammer home the general unfairness, \"no gender differences were found for overall pleasure ratings of receiving oral sex.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-103481\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/05/tumblr_m3nwqfxjFF1qly8bxo1_500.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The disparity is a little odd, given how long humans have been practicing the act — the Karma Sutra documented cunnilingus in the third century, and you can bet it existed far before that. Even the Victorians were down — in the first half of the 1800s, Achille Jacques-Jean-Marie Devéria painted depictions that were performed by both \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Achille_Dev%C3%A9ria_erotism.jpg\">men\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OttomanCunnilingusOrientalism.jpg\">women.\u003c/a> Later that century, Paul Avril included it in his sizable \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard-Henri_Avril\">series of erotic paintings.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So where does the stigma about tipping the velvet come from? The language DJ Khaled used was telling: he sees receiving oral sex as being \"praised\" by his partner. For him, this act is not a shared pleasure, it's a duty to be performed for the \"King\" of the household, to show gratitude. This reasoning, about who holds the power within the sex act, undoubtedly suggests that Khaled would see returning the favor as somehow an act of subservience. Clearly, there is a fear that to submit to pleasuring a woman would somehow make him less of a man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you buy into these kinds of old hetero gender-role stereotypes, it stands as a bit of a no-brainer that, in the midst of receiving, many men believe they hold all of the power. The irony is, most women who enjoy giving oral sex feel the exact same way. \"There’s something that seems so submissive about it,\" \u003ca href=\"https://thoughtcatalog.com/lisa-woods/2016/05/27-orally-obsessed-women-share-exactly-why-they-find-giving-blowjobs-soooo-hot/\">one BJ enthusiast wrote for \u003cem>Thought Catalog\u003c/em> in 2016\u003c/a>, \"but in reality, you’re the one in control of his pleasure. [When he] is in full on pleasure mode... it’s all because of me.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A 2013 \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2013/nov/28/oral-sex-movies-cunnilingus-problem-evan-rachel-wood\">\u003cem>Guardian\u003c/em> article\u003c/a> about movie representations of cunnilingus suggests that pop culture at large only perpetuates outmoded ideas about heterosexual power dynamics: \"In Hollywood, if a woman receives oral sex, she's a Madonna; if she gives it, she's a whore.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not that women in mainstream film are seen on the receiving end a great deal. There are exceptions — \u003cem>Pulp Fiction\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Away We Go, Monster's Ball, \u003c/em>pretty much anything by Jane Campion — but remember, too, that scenes depicting men heading downtown were cut from \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103772/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Basic Instinct\u003c/em>\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1196948/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Charlie Countryman.\u003c/em>\u003c/a> Plus they were the reason \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1120985/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Blue Valentine\u003c/em>\u003c/a> got an NC-17 rating and \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124179/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Two Girls and a Guy\u003c/em>\u003c/a> got slapped with an R. \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\">\u003cem>Boys Don't Cry\u003c/em>\u003c/a> was also forced by the MPAA to cut an oral sex scene. Movies seem to get away with more if the cunnilingus has a comedic element. (See: \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n9uQKEyFWI&has_verified=1\">\u003cem>American Pie 2\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, and \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FRDcwEsWo4\">\u003cem>Scary Movie\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, in which a guy goes down on Anna Faris and, after three seconds, starts dry heaving — not exactly helpful.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-103474\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/05/Dcgm.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"269\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TV has, in all fairness, made great strides forward in the oral stakes recently, thanks to scenes in \u003cem>Girls, Orange is the New Black, House of Cards, The Good Wife, Grey’s Anatomy, Nashville\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Scandal — \u003c/em>but there is always room for improvement. The stilted progress is in no way surprising if you consider that, as recently as 2010, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/mar/16/tampon-vagina-kotex-advertising\">a Kotex tampon commercial was banned\u003c/a> for merely using the word \"vagina.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A study published in \u003ca href=\"https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/196/12/1852/893478\">December 2007 in \u003cem>The Journal of Infectious Diseases\u003c/em>\u003c/a> suggested that relationship status plays a role in the oral practices of straight males. A positive correlation was found between the number of sexual partners men had in their lifetime, and their willingness to give oral sex. Race also apparently played a role, with \"a higher percentage of whites than blacks or Hispanics report[ing] giving or receiving oral sex.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Music is perhaps the easiest arena in which to broach the subject. All the way back in 1988, the Yeastie Girlz demanded \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iTVs3wemEY\">You Suck\u003c/a>.\" In '92, Madonna sang about \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-stBz5ovvj8\">\u003cem>dining in and eating out\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\" In '93, Bikini Kill went in pursuit of what was euphemistically referred to as \"Sugar.\" Since then, we've had disco hits about it (Goldfrapp's \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAhMo-wWTsk\">Twist\u003c/a>\"), soul jams from women in their sixties (Denise Lasalle's \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLWVqUZvT0\">Lick it Before You Stick It\u003c/a>\" is amazing), and an array of no-nonsense hip-hop. From Missy Elliott's request that you \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjIvu7e6Wq8\">eat it like a vulture\u003c/a>\" and Lil Kim's multiple references in at least three songs, to, most legendarily of all, Khia's \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjSqj6GUtik\">My Neck, My Back\u003c/a>.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, we can only hope that Lil Wayne — who's been working his butt off to\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IH8tNQAzSs\"> big up the joy\u003c/a> of orally pleasuring women for a decade now — has a chat with his friend and sometime collaborator DJ Khaled soon. And Lil Waynes all over the world need to start talking openly to their scaredy cat friends who won't go down — a 2015 \u003ca href=\"https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a37812/cosmo-orgasm-survey/\">\u003cem>Cosmopolitan\u003c/em>\u003c/a> survey found that the majority of orgasms experienced by women happened when they were pleasuring themselves. Perhaps the 67 percent of women who admitted to faking orgasms in that survey wouldn't have had to do so if pleasuring women wasn't so often seen as a threat to masculinity.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/103470/why-wont-dj-khaled-ride-the-downtown-bus","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_3202","pop_1328"],"featImg":"pop_103479","label":"pop"},"pop_9422":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_9422","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"9422","score":null,"sort":[1383162003000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"explaining-fifty-shades-of-grey-with-our-anonymous-panel-of-experts","title":"Explaining Fifty Shades of Grey With Our Anonymous Panel of Experts","publishDate":1383162003,"format":"aside","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_9425\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 637px\">\u003ca href=\"http://blogs.kqed.org/pop/2013/10/30/explaining-fifty-shades-of-grey-with-our-anonymous-panel-of-experts/50shades/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-9425\">\u003cimg class=\" wp-image-9425\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2013/10/50shades.jpg\" alt=\"50shades\" width=\"637\" height=\"358\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2013/10/50shades.jpg 637w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2013/10/50shades-400x224.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 637px) 100vw, 637px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Image by Lizzy Acker\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It seemed to dissipate for a while but then, with news of the casting of its film version, that Trojan gift to literature \u003cem>Fifty Shades of Grey\u003c/em> was back on our pop culture consciousness with a vengeance. (Latest news: \u003cem>The Sons of Anarchy\u003c/em> star Charlie Hunman is out and \u003cem>Once Upon a Time\u003c/em> actor Jamie Dornan is in as spank happy Christian Grey.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like the Highlander or the herp, \u003cem>Fifty Shades \u003c/em>never really goes away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For those of you blissfully unaware of the housewife friendly BDSM phenom, \u003cem>KQED Pop\u003c/em> enlisted a panel of closet Fifty Shadies (a new term we just invented for fans of the trilogy) to explain to us some of the very basics of the \"novels,\" their reaction to casting news and whether or not \u003cem>Grey\u003c/em> is destined to become trash for the ages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Panelists\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>P1: 29-years-old, works in the fashion industry. Generally reads classic literature with a few palette cleansing forays into trash between excursions into Victor Hugo\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>P2: 23-years-old, newly engaged college student. Tastes range from waiting in line for comic book film adaptions to big budget musicals and all manner of sports viewing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>P3: 37-years-old, former tech executive, current stay-at-home-mom and member of several ladies auxiliaries. Loves classic punk rock, early Tex Avery cartoons and subscribes to \u003cem>The New Yorker\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Hi panelists. Thanks for talking to us. As promised your identities will be protected. First and foremost, in words that people who don't care can understand, what are the \u003cem>Fifty Shades of Grey\u003c/em>? Do they start with sort of a battleship and go all the way to charcoal?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Haha. No.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: I'd summarize the books with this: a sex crazed billionaire who gets everything he wants when he wants it by any means necessary is forced to learn patience and trust when he meets a special lady.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Just say \"a journey of self discovery and boundary pushing sexually and emotionally\" yada yada blah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: What are your credentials for explaining this \"literature\": i.e. what other \"literature\" have you read?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: I assume when you say \"literature\" with those air quotes you mean \"trash.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: I read my share of early Anne Rice and romance novels growing up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: I buzzed through the \u003cem>Twilight\u003c/em> series when I had mono.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: I prefer the classics: \u003cem>Peyton Place\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Valley of the Dolls\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Marjory Morningstar\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Who are the major characters?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Sexy, kinky billionaire Christian \"50 Shades\" Grey and Anastasia Steele, English lit major with some hang-ups, are the primaries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Secondarily we have Ana's best friend and roommate Katherine (Kate) Kavanagh, Anastasia's photographer friend Jose (who's in love with her), Christian's brother Elliot Grey (love interest of Kate), Mia Grey (Christian's sister), Ethan Kavanagh (Kate's bro and Mia's love interest), Jack Hyde (Ana's boss) and Elena Lincoln (Mrs. Robinson) Christian's friend/business partner and the woman who introduced him to BDSM at the age of 15.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Now that we know who they are, what's wrong with these people?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Anastasia is beautiful, but unaware of it, and thinks she's not attractive enough for Christian. She's also uncomfortable with his wealth and it is often a source of discord between them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Christian was abused as a child by his prostitute mother's pimp and adopted/rescued when he was 4 by his adoptive parents the Greys\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Let's just cut to the chase: talk about the hitting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: As a result of how he was treated as a child, Christian had anger issues and lashed out at school and home. At 15 one of his mother's friends decided she knew a way to channel his anger, and she becomes his dominant and introduces him to BDSM. Eventually he decided he wanted to be dominant and leaves the \"relationship\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: At 15?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: It's very \u003cem>The Reader\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: So, apparently it's three books? Why in God's name is it three books?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Yes! \u003cem>Fifty Shades\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Fifty Shades: Darker\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Fifty Shades: Freed.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: The first book sets up the relationship with Ana and Christian: their meeting, dating (or whatever you can call it), hooking up \"vanilla style\", then not so vanilla. She wants to know how spicy it can get, he shows her, she can't deal with it and it ends with them breaking up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong> In the second book Ana gets her first job out of college, becomes an assistant to Jack Hyde at a publishing company, reunites with Fifty (after he makes some concessions). Then Ana meets Mrs. Robinson, and gets stalked by one of Fifty's old subs. Christian, being the jealous, over-protective and the controlling megalomaniac that he is, decides to buy the company that Ana works for. Ana's boss Jack makes very forceful unwanted sexual advances towards her, she tells Christian and he fires him when he takes over the company. It ends at a party at Christian's parents house, where he announces he and Ana are engaged while Jack lurks outside, plotting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: The third book is...honeymoon meow...the boss trying to extract revenge...Ana finally getting through to Christian about how Mrs. Robinson is not really his friend, she's a child molester who took advantage of him and despite all her protests to the contrary actually wants Christian back. Phew, drama! Ana gets preggo, Fifty takes some convincing on the future parent front, for obvious reasons, and evil Jack gets served! They move into a house Fifty designed for them and have another baby. They live happily ever after (whip cracking sound).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Shoot! I forgot the red room of pain, the plane crash, the shooting and the fire!!!!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Clarification: when you say \"Mrs. Robinson\" do you mean the lady from \u003cem>The Graduate\u003c/em> and when you say \"Fifty\" do people actually call him that, like 50 Cent?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Kind of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: So, on a scale of V.C. Andrews (high) to Stephanie Meyer (low), how trashy is it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: \u003cem>Twilight\u003c/em> wasn't trashy at all, at least not by Harlequin standards: there's really only one descriptive sex scene and it's obviously written by a Mormon. I never read \u003cem>Flowers in the Attic\u003c/em> or other V.C. Andrews books: I was too busy reading trashy predictable Harlequin \"romances\" and actual works of literature. I hope I don't lose my street cred with that admission.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: It's somewhere between later V.C. Andrews and early erotica Anne Rice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Agreed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: As fans, do you think \u003cem>Fifty Shades of Grey\u003c/em> can really be filmed?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Honestly, we will see.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: You could make an okay film with all the non-sexual drama in the book, there's lots of action.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: In actuality the main focus of the book is their relationship, and how it evolves physically and emotionally: physically being the key word. A main point of contention between them is him thinking he needs the BDSM and her struggle to understand/accept that and learn her boundaries, while also pushing his.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Leaving out the sex in the movie version would be like leaving out a number in an equation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: What do you think of the film casting?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: I like it for the most part. I'm happy with the Christian change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Dornan physically looks more like Christian as described in the books. Luke Grimes as Elliot is perfect: I totally see him as an approachable, laid back, ladies man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: I don't know how I feel about Jennifer Ehle playing Ana's mom Carla: she's Lizzy Bennet to me. My poor brain, \u003cem>Pride and Prejudice\u003c/em> mixing with \u003cem>Fifty Shades\u003c/em>. Jane Austin is harrumphing in Mr. Darcy's grave I bet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Is there an ideal Christian among you?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: We all agree on Matt Bomer: hair, eyes, body, perfect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: 2nd place, Ian Somerhalder. He's got the smoldering introspection down!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: And an ideal Anastasia?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Dakota Johnson looks more like a Kate: confident, poised, blond and traditionally beautiful, Alexis Bledel would be a better Ana, reserved, unknowingly beautiful, convincingly naive, shy, and a little clumsy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: How much longer do you think I'm going to hear about this? Is it trash for the ages?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Until something \"better\" comes along. Part of why I think people are so fascinated is you can spend hours debating whether it's a detriment or asset to feminism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Honestly: have you been inspired to hit anyone during the act since you read the books?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: No but a good spanking never hurt anyone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: A little.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Yes, but only in anger and only because he deserved it. I'm kidding. 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It' sexy. And I think a lot of woman feel this way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Because women are problem solvers, who doesn't like a fixer upper in the guise of a grown man who can't be touched and has trust issues? We feel guilty; our feminists fore-mothers are shaming us from the grave. He takes over her life, I can hear them saying, \"he's demanding, over bearing, bossy, stalky and micro-managy,\" which isn't a word, whatever, and he is all those things! And she fights it, and embraces it at the same time. I think women have a similar struggle: we want someone to be that \"into\" us, to consume us, while still keeping our identities. Ana often enjoys relinquishing control to him, like a weight has been lifted. Again, I hear them groaning, threatening to come at me with pitchforks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: At first glance it's so predictable... attractive, broody, emotionally aloof billionaire whisks hardworking, poor girl off her feet. It's a rescue fantasy, white knight included, what we all secretly wish for and are embarrassed by. I know I'm supposed to be a strong independent woman, but sometimes you just want someone else to pay the bills and make the decisions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Just deal with it Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and shove that down your PANTS Betty Friedan! Sorry, that was too far, where was I... oh yes, here's where the fairytale and \u003cem>Fifty Shades\u003c/em> diverge... Cinderella never got flogged, or spanked, never got silver balls put up her princess parts, never enjoyed getting an A+ in you-know-what jobs 101, and Prince Charming didn't have a bondage room in the castle and a non-disclosure agreement to keep Cinderella from blabbing to the tabloids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: I think \u003cem>Fifty Shades\u003c/em> \"secretly\" lets woman indulge in a fantasy of submission that we are supposed to be embarrassed/repelled/angered by. 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(Latest news: \u003cem>The Sons of Anarchy\u003c/em> star Charlie Hunman is out and \u003cem>Once Upon a Time\u003c/em> actor Jamie Dornan is in as spank happy Christian Grey.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like the Highlander or the herp, \u003cem>Fifty Shades \u003c/em>never really goes away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For those of you blissfully unaware of the housewife friendly BDSM phenom, \u003cem>KQED Pop\u003c/em> enlisted a panel of closet Fifty Shadies (a new term we just invented for fans of the trilogy) to explain to us some of the very basics of the \"novels,\" their reaction to casting news and whether or not \u003cem>Grey\u003c/em> is destined to become trash for the ages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Panelists\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>P1: 29-years-old, works in the fashion industry. Generally reads classic literature with a few palette cleansing forays into trash between excursions into Victor Hugo\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>P2: 23-years-old, newly engaged college student. Tastes range from waiting in line for comic book film adaptions to big budget musicals and all manner of sports viewing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>P3: 37-years-old, former tech executive, current stay-at-home-mom and member of several ladies auxiliaries. Loves classic punk rock, early Tex Avery cartoons and subscribes to \u003cem>The New Yorker\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Hi panelists. Thanks for talking to us. As promised your identities will be protected. First and foremost, in words that people who don't care can understand, what are the \u003cem>Fifty Shades of Grey\u003c/em>? Do they start with sort of a battleship and go all the way to charcoal?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Haha. No.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: I'd summarize the books with this: a sex crazed billionaire who gets everything he wants when he wants it by any means necessary is forced to learn patience and trust when he meets a special lady.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Just say \"a journey of self discovery and boundary pushing sexually and emotionally\" yada yada blah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: What are your credentials for explaining this \"literature\": i.e. what other \"literature\" have you read?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: I assume when you say \"literature\" with those air quotes you mean \"trash.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: I read my share of early Anne Rice and romance novels growing up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: I buzzed through the \u003cem>Twilight\u003c/em> series when I had mono.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: I prefer the classics: \u003cem>Peyton Place\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Valley of the Dolls\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Marjory Morningstar\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Who are the major characters?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Sexy, kinky billionaire Christian \"50 Shades\" Grey and Anastasia Steele, English lit major with some hang-ups, are the primaries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Secondarily we have Ana's best friend and roommate Katherine (Kate) Kavanagh, Anastasia's photographer friend Jose (who's in love with her), Christian's brother Elliot Grey (love interest of Kate), Mia Grey (Christian's sister), Ethan Kavanagh (Kate's bro and Mia's love interest), Jack Hyde (Ana's boss) and Elena Lincoln (Mrs. Robinson) Christian's friend/business partner and the woman who introduced him to BDSM at the age of 15.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Now that we know who they are, what's wrong with these people?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Anastasia is beautiful, but unaware of it, and thinks she's not attractive enough for Christian. She's also uncomfortable with his wealth and it is often a source of discord between them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Christian was abused as a child by his prostitute mother's pimp and adopted/rescued when he was 4 by his adoptive parents the Greys\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Let's just cut to the chase: talk about the hitting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: As a result of how he was treated as a child, Christian had anger issues and lashed out at school and home. At 15 one of his mother's friends decided she knew a way to channel his anger, and she becomes his dominant and introduces him to BDSM. Eventually he decided he wanted to be dominant and leaves the \"relationship\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: At 15?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: It's very \u003cem>The Reader\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: So, apparently it's three books? Why in God's name is it three books?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Yes! \u003cem>Fifty Shades\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Fifty Shades: Darker\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Fifty Shades: Freed.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: The first book sets up the relationship with Ana and Christian: their meeting, dating (or whatever you can call it), hooking up \"vanilla style\", then not so vanilla. She wants to know how spicy it can get, he shows her, she can't deal with it and it ends with them breaking up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong> In the second book Ana gets her first job out of college, becomes an assistant to Jack Hyde at a publishing company, reunites with Fifty (after he makes some concessions). Then Ana meets Mrs. Robinson, and gets stalked by one of Fifty's old subs. Christian, being the jealous, over-protective and the controlling megalomaniac that he is, decides to buy the company that Ana works for. Ana's boss Jack makes very forceful unwanted sexual advances towards her, she tells Christian and he fires him when he takes over the company. It ends at a party at Christian's parents house, where he announces he and Ana are engaged while Jack lurks outside, plotting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: The third book is...honeymoon meow...the boss trying to extract revenge...Ana finally getting through to Christian about how Mrs. Robinson is not really his friend, she's a child molester who took advantage of him and despite all her protests to the contrary actually wants Christian back. Phew, drama! Ana gets preggo, Fifty takes some convincing on the future parent front, for obvious reasons, and evil Jack gets served! They move into a house Fifty designed for them and have another baby. They live happily ever after (whip cracking sound).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Shoot! I forgot the red room of pain, the plane crash, the shooting and the fire!!!!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Clarification: when you say \"Mrs. Robinson\" do you mean the lady from \u003cem>The Graduate\u003c/em> and when you say \"Fifty\" do people actually call him that, like 50 Cent?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Kind of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: So, on a scale of V.C. Andrews (high) to Stephanie Meyer (low), how trashy is it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: \u003cem>Twilight\u003c/em> wasn't trashy at all, at least not by Harlequin standards: there's really only one descriptive sex scene and it's obviously written by a Mormon. I never read \u003cem>Flowers in the Attic\u003c/em> or other V.C. Andrews books: I was too busy reading trashy predictable Harlequin \"romances\" and actual works of literature. 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A main point of contention between them is him thinking he needs the BDSM and her struggle to understand/accept that and learn her boundaries, while also pushing his.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: Leaving out the sex in the movie version would be like leaving out a number in an equation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: What do you think of the film casting?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: I like it for the most part. I'm happy with the Christian change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: Dornan physically looks more like Christian as described in the books. Luke Grimes as Elliot is perfect: I totally see him as an approachable, laid back, ladies man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: I don't know how I feel about Jennifer Ehle playing Ana's mom Carla: she's Lizzy Bennet to me. My poor brain, \u003cem>Pride and Prejudice\u003c/em> mixing with \u003cem>Fifty Shades\u003c/em>. 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Part of why I think people are so fascinated is you can spend hours debating whether it's a detriment or asset to feminism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED\u003c/strong>: Honestly: have you been inspired to hit anyone during the act since you read the books?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: No but a good spanking never hurt anyone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P2\u003c/strong>: A little.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P3\u003c/strong>: Yes, but only in anger and only because he deserved it. I'm kidding. 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Cinderella never got flogged, or spanked, never got silver balls put up her princess parts, never enjoyed getting an A+ in you-know-what jobs 101, and Prince Charming didn't have a bondage room in the castle and a non-disclosure agreement to keep Cinderella from blabbing to the tabloids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>P1\u003c/strong>: I think \u003cem>Fifty Shades\u003c/em> \"secretly\" lets woman indulge in a fantasy of submission that we are supposed to be embarrassed/repelled/angered by. 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