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Why?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because it's sublime, that's why.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-113087\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM-800x447.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"447\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM-800x447.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM-160x89.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM-768x429.png 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM.png 833w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-113088\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM-800x453.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM-800x453.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM-160x91.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM-768x435.png 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM.png 819w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The joy prompted by this surreal but incredibly accurate nonsense might be even greater than that of Ms. Dooley's students after Jonathan Van Ness cut off her mullet in the first episode of Season 4. Some of these phrases are so magnificent, one can only hope that they one day make it into the permanent \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> lexicon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/suzewrites/status/1156054085801402368\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/redshoe9/status/1155851454068006912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1155851454068006912&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pettymayonnaise.com%2Fa-bot-watched-queer-eye-then-wrote-its-own-script-for-the-show%2F\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/Amester222/status/1155863156708659200\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/CougarWilliams/status/1155849251999686656\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/siggiarabi/status/1155849255552245761\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/gregindeed/status/1155862048892260353\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/NetflixANZ/status/1156156712329478145\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Keaton Patti's bot also wrote a script last year for a remarkable and thoroughly \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/KeatonPatti/status/1006961202998726665\">existential Olive Garden commercial\u003c/a>. That, too, went viral thanks to phrases like: “We see the pasta nachos. They’re warm and defeated,” “Friend 4 smiles wide. Her mouth is full of secret soup,” and “We see the unlimited stick. It is infinite. It is all.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Patti has written for \u003cem>The New Yorker\u003c/em>, Marvel, Comedy Central and \u003cem>The Onion\u003c/em>. Someone at Adult Swim should probably give him a full-time job immediately.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Open your heart's mancave, caveman, for there is apathetic maple syrup in this script and that makes it a must-read.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1564526011,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":9,"wordCount":314},"headData":{"title":"A Man and His Bot Wrote a Fake 'Queer Eye' Script—and it is Sublime | KQED","description":"Open your heart's mancave, caveman, for there is apathetic maple syrup in this script and that makes it a must-read.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"A Man and His Bot Wrote a Fake 'Queer Eye' Script—and it is Sublime","datePublished":"2019-07-30T21:40:17.000Z","dateModified":"2019-07-30T22:33:31.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"113084 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=113084","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/07/30/a-man-and-his-bot-wrote-a-fake-queer-eye-script-and-it-is-sublime/","disqusTitle":"A Man and His Bot Wrote a Fake 'Queer Eye' Script—and it is Sublime","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/pop/113084/a-man-and-his-bot-wrote-a-fake-queer-eye-script-and-it-is-sublime","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\"I forced a bot to watch over 1,000 hours of \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> and then asked it to write an episode of \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> of its own,\" the tweet read. Despite the fact that it is almost certainly a false claim—there are only 33 episodes and a handful of extras, after all—\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/KeatonPatti\">Keaton Patti'\u003c/a>s subsequent \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> bot-script has been liked on Twitter almost 100,000 times and even prompted a response from Netflix. Why?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because it's sublime, that's why.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-113087\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM-800x447.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"447\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM-800x447.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM-160x89.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM-768x429.png 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.26-AM.png 833w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-113088\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM-800x453.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM-800x453.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM-160x91.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM-768x435.png 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-11.44.46-AM.png 819w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The joy prompted by this surreal but incredibly accurate nonsense might be even greater than that of Ms. Dooley's students after Jonathan Van Ness cut off her mullet in the first episode of Season 4. Some of these phrases are so magnificent, one can only hope that they one day make it into the permanent \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> lexicon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1156054085801402368"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1155851454068006912"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1155863156708659200"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1155849251999686656"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1155849255552245761"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1155862048892260353"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1156156712329478145"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Keaton Patti's bot also wrote a script last year for a remarkable and thoroughly \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/KeatonPatti/status/1006961202998726665\">existential Olive Garden commercial\u003c/a>. 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Someone at Adult Swim should probably give him a full-time job immediately.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/113084/a-man-and-his-bot-wrote-a-fake-queer-eye-script-and-it-is-sublime","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_5","pop_3"],"tags":["pop_3686","pop_3807","pop_3341","pop_3177","pop_3808","pop_438","pop_3147","pop_3681","pop_245"],"featImg":"pop_113090","label":"pop"},"pop_113026":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_113026","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"113026","score":null,"sort":[1564297324000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"a-kinder-gentler-wave-of-reality-tv-tries-a-little-tenderness-for-a-change","title":"A Kinder, Gentler Wave of Reality TV Tries a Little Tenderness, For a Change","publishDate":1564297324,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>It's a genre known for screaming matches, hot-tub hookups and contestants who are there \u003cem>to win,\u003c/em> \u003cem>not\u003c/em> \u003cem>to make friends\u003c/em>. But as of late, reality television has taken a kinder, gentler turn.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fire up Netflix and you'll see sweet-natured shows such as \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em>, which kicked off its fourth season with a public school teacher getting an enthusiastic makeover, and a slew of food programs where people are lovely to each other. Think \u003cem>The Great British Baking Show\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Sugar Rush\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Street Food\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Nailed It!\u003c/em>, where contestants giggle with the hosts about their haplessness in decorating cakes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Netflix's dating show, \u003cem>Dating Around\u003c/em>, is practically humiliation-free. And in the hit series \u003cem>Tidying Up with Marie Kondo\u003c/em>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2016/01/07/462230434/japanese-organizing-consultant-marie-kondo-takes-america-by-storm\">the Japanese organizing guru\u003c/a> gently guides Americans into discarding stuff that doesn't \"spark joy.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvyeapVBLWY\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We say 'spark joy' now for everything,\" says Brandon Riegg, the Netflix vice president in charge of unscripted series.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Riegg says Netflix has made heartwarming reality shows central to its brand, though that wasn't always the plan. The success of \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Nailed It! \u003c/em>convinced Netflix to double down on reality shows featuring people being kind to each other, he says. (Of course, because Netflix does not release audience numbers, we don't precisely know how successful those shows are.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In the beginning, it wasn't an intentional strategy,\" Riegg says. \"When we decided to get into original unscripted programming, it was really a blank slate.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It should be noted that not all of Netflix's reality programming can be described as sweet. Its game show \u003cem>Flinch\u003c/em> doesn't disguise its nasty streak, and Netflix recently took heat over its upcoming \u003cem>Prank\u003c/em> \u003cem>Encounters\u003c/em>, where people working in short-term jobs are subject to hidden-camera pranks. (Netflix says the show, hosted by a teenage star of the sci-fi hit series \u003cem>Stranger Things\u003c/em>, is \"spooky, supernatural and over-the-top, and everyone had a great time.\")\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, the burgeoning trend of positive reality programming has spread across the industry, according to Riegg.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Everyone's noticing that viewers are more drawn to that, that there's an appetite for that,\" he says, pointing to Fox's \u003cem>The Masked Singer\u003c/em> and NBC's \u003cem>Songland\u003c/em>. NBC is also the home of the notoriously nice crafting show \u003cem>Making It\u003c/em>, and the network may have helped to start this trend years ago, with weight-loss program \u003cem>The Biggest Loser\u003c/em>, along with ABC's \u003cem>Extreme Makeover: Home Edition \u003c/em>(which Riegg helped to develop).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOi9OmdoxQs\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As a critic and fan of reality TV, I love it,\" says Andy Dehnart, creator of the website \u003ca href=\"https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/\">Reality Blurred\u003c/a>. \"It makes it a lot easier to watch, to write about and just enjoy.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dehnart points out these shows appeal to advertisers and to families looking for shows to watch together. Sunny reality shows may provide something of a counterbalance to the deeply dark scripted shows dominating TV of late: \u003cem>The Walking Dead\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Game of Thrones\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Chernobyl\u003c/em>, \u003cem>The Handmaid's Tale\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Killing Eve\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Ozark\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Better Call Saul\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Succession\u003c/em> and so on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of late, reality shows are providing a much-needed break from people being rotten to each other, says Tara Long, president of unscripted TV for Entertainment One, which produces such reality shows as \u003cem>Growing Up Hip Hop\u003c/em>, \u003cem>LadyGang\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Siesta Key\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We actually have production meetings where we say we don't want fighting,\" she says. It's a profound shift from the days when the genre relied on people flipping tables for drama. \"Ten years ago, you'd need that in every episode to build up to your final act.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked Long if people who make reality television might be trying to change the cultural conversation after 20 years of toxic reality shows that helped—in part—elect \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/02/03/513194862/with-conflict-and-drama-trump-hooks-you-like-a-reality-tv-show\">a former reality show star\u003c/a> to the U.S. presidency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A hundred percent,\" she says, without hesitation. \"I think we want to create this content and tell these stories to kind of course-correct for some of the type of shows that have been done in the past.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a moment when the tone of public discourse feels so lowered, Long says, maybe now is the time for reality television—yes, reality television—to push for civility and respect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. 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And in the hit series \u003cem>Tidying Up with Marie Kondo\u003c/em>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2016/01/07/462230434/japanese-organizing-consultant-marie-kondo-takes-america-by-storm\">the Japanese organizing guru\u003c/a> gently guides Americans into discarding stuff that doesn't \"spark joy.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/WvyeapVBLWY'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/WvyeapVBLWY'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\"We say 'spark joy' now for everything,\" says Brandon Riegg, the Netflix vice president in charge of unscripted series.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Riegg says Netflix has made heartwarming reality shows central to its brand, though that wasn't always the plan. 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NBC is also the home of the notoriously nice crafting show \u003cem>Making It\u003c/em>, and the network may have helped to start this trend years ago, with weight-loss program \u003cem>The Biggest Loser\u003c/em>, along with ABC's \u003cem>Extreme Makeover: Home Edition \u003c/em>(which Riegg helped to develop).\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/pOi9OmdoxQs'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/pOi9OmdoxQs'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\"As a critic and fan of reality TV, I love it,\" says Andy Dehnart, creator of the website \u003ca href=\"https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/\">Reality Blurred\u003c/a>. \"It makes it a lot easier to watch, to write about and just enjoy.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dehnart points out these shows appeal to advertisers and to families looking for shows to watch together. Sunny reality shows may provide something of a counterbalance to the deeply dark scripted shows dominating TV of late: \u003cem>The Walking Dead\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Game of Thrones\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Chernobyl\u003c/em>, \u003cem>The Handmaid's Tale\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Killing Eve\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Ozark\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Better Call Saul\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Succession\u003c/em> and so on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of late, reality shows are providing a much-needed break from people being rotten to each other, says Tara Long, president of unscripted TV for Entertainment One, which produces such reality shows as \u003cem>Growing Up Hip Hop\u003c/em>, \u003cem>LadyGang\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Siesta Key\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We actually have production meetings where we say we don't want fighting,\" she says. It's a profound shift from the days when the genre relied on people flipping tables for drama. \"Ten years ago, you'd need that in every episode to build up to your final act.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked Long if people who make reality television might be trying to change the cultural conversation after 20 years of toxic reality shows that helped—in part—elect \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/02/03/513194862/with-conflict-and-drama-trump-hooks-you-like-a-reality-tv-show\">a former reality show star\u003c/a> to the U.S. presidency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A hundred percent,\" she says, without hesitation. \"I think we want to create this content and tell these stories to kind of course-correct for some of the type of shows that have been done in the past.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a moment when the tone of public discourse feels so lowered, Long says, maybe now is the time for reality television—yes, reality television—to push for civility and respect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. 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While the show dropped episodes every weekday of Ramadan, \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> doesn't really have anything to do with the holiday. \"If somebody released something during Christmas time or during Hanukkah,\" Euceph says, \"they wouldn't necessarily be asked about like, what are important aspects of Christmas or Hanukkah.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's in each guest's hands how much they want to talk about culture or religion; for some it's a central part of their story, for others it's mostly incidental. Tan France of Queer Eye \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC4654190347\">talks about\u003c/a> his first big \"I told you so,\" which involved his older brother and a metal fan. Ramy Youssef, creator of the Hulu show \u003cem>Ramy\u003c/em>, \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC9282014844\">talks about\u003c/a> the medical condition that catalyzed his acting career. Alia Shawkat \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC6837056702\">talks about\u003c/a> the extremes of her stoner-y teenage rebellion, including borrowing urine to cheat a drug test (Spoiler: It didn't work).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And every episode of the podcast offers glimpses into Euceph's story: the fashion she endured to be more popular in middle school; the glamour she didn't quite inherit from her mother; the drive to prove people wrong that sent her up actual mountains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea for \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> has been brewing in Euceph's head for at least a decade, maybe longer. She says that when she moved to the U.S. from Pakistan in 2003, being Muslim went from the default to a label that eclipsed her entire identity. The name of the show is about transcending that—it comes from a story in the Bible, where God responds to the question, \"Who are you?\" by saying, \"You can tell them that I am 'I am.'\" Not a name, not a category, simply, \"I am.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We called up Euceph to ask about the highlights of her interviews—our interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>There's been a lot in the media recently about Muslims observing Ramadan, whether it's Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2019/05/21/725308102/muslim-lawmakers-host-ramadan-feast-at-capitol\">\u003cstrong>breaking the fast at the Capitol\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> with other lawmakers, or Portland Trail Blazers center Enes Kanter \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/09/enes-kanter-when-ramadan-nba-playoffs-collide-my-faith-is-my-strength/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f34ee5c5b8c7\">\u003cstrong>fasting through the height of the NBA playoffs\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong>. These stories often focus on the challenges and spirituality of fasting. But is there anything deeper about Ramadan that people miss? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If somebody released something during Christmas time or during Hanukkah, they wouldn't necessarily be asked about like, what are important aspects of Christmas or Hanukkah. The way people often ask about Ramadan, it kinda goes to like, Islam 101.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We release this podcast during Ramadan because it's a time of community, and a lot of coverage is being focused on Muslims in that way, where there's this Ramadan 101 going on. But there's also like, \"What is a Muslim?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think education about what it means to be Muslim and the rituals of being Muslim is one thing, but there's so much to Muslims beyond that. And so many Muslims are not even necessarily fasting during Ramadan, but they are experiencing some form of community that's different. And so I think just allowing them to exist outside of just those rituals and those Orthodox practices that we commonly associate with Muslims, and allowing them to be culturally Muslim and allowing them to tell their stories outside of those boxes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>In the \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC9167622305\">\u003cstrong>first episode\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> of your podcast, you talk about how there's only a few very specific ways that Muslims are depicted, but there aren't ever really times where they're shown as just normal. They're very much \"othered.\"\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah. For example, it's interesting to me that like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are these congresswomen who are in positions of power, and they're doing things that are actually very much traditional. Like they're showing Muslims breaking their fast or they're like introducing people to like \"Oh, like this is what it means to be a Muslim.\" But there are also other aspects of Muslim culture that are a little bit deeper toned. There's a lot of Muslim music and Muslim art and I think there is so much more of that that could actually have more impact than educating people on what Ramadan means. No one else is going to fast to try to understand what it means to be Muslim, right? But people can see Muslim art or listen to Muslim music, even if they're not Muslim, and be impacted by it in the same way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so if there's something I want from people who are Muslim who are in positions of power, it's to get a little bit more nuanced. Because they are not thinking about the 101 aspect of being Muslim 24/7, so why are we dumbing it down for the general public? I think we actually will have a greater impact if we go a couple layers deeper.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is there a moment you had while you were recording this show that you find especially powerful or memorable?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The [interview with \u003ca href=\"https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/tellthemiam?selected=KPC4117929019\">Deana Haggag\u003c/a>, CEO of the arts funding organization United States Artists] literally blew me away. I knew she was going to talk about taking her dad to this DIY Art Space in New Jersey. I had no idea the way that she was going to frame it as this emotional and mental switch where she had been thinking that she was running away from her culture by pursuing the arts, and then she realized that the arts were actually inherently part of everything in her culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_112234\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-112234\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680.jpg\" alt=\"Illustration of Deana Haggag.\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680.jpg 200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680-160x160.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Illustration of Deana Haggag. \u003ccite>(Emmen Ahmed/KPCC)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Like, she says everything down to our religion is in song, everything is dance and the country Egypt is a museum. And by institutionalizing art, she was doing something that was foreign to her parents because art was so much a part of their lives. Listening to her I was like, \"Oh my God. That's exactly the struggle that I have had.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And I related so deeply but I had never been able to articulate it in that way. My parents would recite Urdu poetry at the dinner table back and forth to each other, or in the car on a road trip we would listen to Sufi classical music. My dad does Islamic calligraphy in wood and leather as a hobby. These are things that are just deeply a part of my life. Colors and aesthetic and music and how we dress and look—all those things are such a part of who I am.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The show centers Muslim voices, but the stories aren't centered around being Muslim. How do you explain that to your interview subjects so that they understand what you're going for?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We were just like, we don't want to pigeonhole you. We don't want to ask you about that aspect of your identity. We want \u003cem>you \u003c/em>to figure out a defining moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think most of the people who ended up being guests on this show, they kind of got it right away, even if it took them a moment to figure out what that moment was in their life. But basically, what we would say is, \u003cem>\"Listen, you've probably always been asked about being Muslim and blah blah blah.\"\u003c/em> Some of our queer Muslim guests were like, \"Oh my God, thank God you're not asking me about the gay Muslim thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You're really trying to move beyond the surface level of people's stories. How do you get that kind of vulnerability out of people?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think it's a wonder what listening can do. I try to mostly just stay quiet and stay out of the story and the interview process as much as possible....\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And when your interviewer is with somebody who's Muslim, who's also been pigeonholed, and who can relate to your experience I think maybe there's a little bit more of a comfort level there. You're willing to go to places where you wouldn't with another interviewer who doesn't know anything about your experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think a lot of times Muslims are called to respond to certain things in the media and they don't have control over their own narrative. And this simple act of not deciding ahead of time what the story is, but rather letting your guests dictate the story, gives them power to define their narrative again and to lead with their story rather than their label. Like you don't have to be a woman or brown or Muslim or all these other things that carry so much baggage and connotation, but instead they can be what it is that they want to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=The+Ramadan+Podcast+Where+Muslims+Take+It+Up+A+Notch+From+%27Islam+101%27+&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In the KPCC podcast 'Tell Them, I Am,' Tan France talks about his first big \"I told you so,\" Ramy Youssef discusses the medical condition that catalyzed his acting career and Alia Shawkat explores her teenage rebellion.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1559679572,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":1533},"headData":{"title":"The Ramadan Podcast Where Muslims Go Beyond 'Islam 101' | KQED","description":"In the KPCC podcast 'Tell Them, I Am,' Tan France talks about his first big "I told you so," Ramy Youssef discusses the medical condition that catalyzed his acting career and Alia Shawkat explores her teenage rebellion.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"The Ramadan Podcast Where Muslims Go Beyond 'Islam 101'","datePublished":"2019-06-04T20:19:32.000Z","dateModified":"2019-06-04T20:19:32.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"112232 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=112232","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/06/04/the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-go-beyond-islam-101/","disqusTitle":"The Ramadan Podcast Where Muslims Go Beyond 'Islam 101'","nprImageCredit":"Emmen Ahmed","nprByline":"Michael Paulino","nprImageAgency":"KPCC","nprStoryId":"728750146","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=728750146&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/06/03/728750146/the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-talk-religion-but-mostly-everything-else?ft=nprml&f=728750146","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:02:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:01:00 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:02:50 -0400","path":"/pop/112232/the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-go-beyond-islam-101","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>In a media landscape that can still be pretty awful for Muslims, \u003ca href=\"https://tell-them-i-am.scpr.org/\">\u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, a new podcast from KPCC, aims to give Muslims a space to define their own identities outside of stereotypes and broad generalizations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the course of the series, host and producer Misha Euceph interviewed 22 people, all Muslims, about the defining moments of their lives. While the show dropped episodes every weekday of Ramadan, \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> doesn't really have anything to do with the holiday. \"If somebody released something during Christmas time or during Hanukkah,\" Euceph says, \"they wouldn't necessarily be asked about like, what are important aspects of Christmas or Hanukkah.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's in each guest's hands how much they want to talk about culture or religion; for some it's a central part of their story, for others it's mostly incidental. Tan France of Queer Eye \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC4654190347\">talks about\u003c/a> his first big \"I told you so,\" which involved his older brother and a metal fan. Ramy Youssef, creator of the Hulu show \u003cem>Ramy\u003c/em>, \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC9282014844\">talks about\u003c/a> the medical condition that catalyzed his acting career. Alia Shawkat \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC6837056702\">talks about\u003c/a> the extremes of her stoner-y teenage rebellion, including borrowing urine to cheat a drug test (Spoiler: It didn't work).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And every episode of the podcast offers glimpses into Euceph's story: the fashion she endured to be more popular in middle school; the glamour she didn't quite inherit from her mother; the drive to prove people wrong that sent her up actual mountains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea for \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> has been brewing in Euceph's head for at least a decade, maybe longer. She says that when she moved to the U.S. from Pakistan in 2003, being Muslim went from the default to a label that eclipsed her entire identity. The name of the show is about transcending that—it comes from a story in the Bible, where God responds to the question, \"Who are you?\" by saying, \"You can tell them that I am 'I am.'\" Not a name, not a category, simply, \"I am.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We called up Euceph to ask about the highlights of her interviews—our interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>There's been a lot in the media recently about Muslims observing Ramadan, whether it's Reps. 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The way people often ask about Ramadan, it kinda goes to like, Islam 101.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We release this podcast during Ramadan because it's a time of community, and a lot of coverage is being focused on Muslims in that way, where there's this Ramadan 101 going on. But there's also like, \"What is a Muslim?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think education about what it means to be Muslim and the rituals of being Muslim is one thing, but there's so much to Muslims beyond that. And so many Muslims are not even necessarily fasting during Ramadan, but they are experiencing some form of community that's different. And so I think just allowing them to exist outside of just those rituals and those Orthodox practices that we commonly associate with Muslims, and allowing them to be culturally Muslim and allowing them to tell their stories outside of those boxes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>In the \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC9167622305\">\u003cstrong>first episode\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> of your podcast, you talk about how there's only a few very specific ways that Muslims are depicted, but there aren't ever really times where they're shown as just normal. They're very much \"othered.\"\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah. For example, it's interesting to me that like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are these congresswomen who are in positions of power, and they're doing things that are actually very much traditional. Like they're showing Muslims breaking their fast or they're like introducing people to like \"Oh, like this is what it means to be a Muslim.\" But there are also other aspects of Muslim culture that are a little bit deeper toned. There's a lot of Muslim music and Muslim art and I think there is so much more of that that could actually have more impact than educating people on what Ramadan means. No one else is going to fast to try to understand what it means to be Muslim, right? But people can see Muslim art or listen to Muslim music, even if they're not Muslim, and be impacted by it in the same way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so if there's something I want from people who are Muslim who are in positions of power, it's to get a little bit more nuanced. Because they are not thinking about the 101 aspect of being Muslim 24/7, so why are we dumbing it down for the general public? I think we actually will have a greater impact if we go a couple layers deeper.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is there a moment you had while you were recording this show that you find especially powerful or memorable?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The [interview with \u003ca href=\"https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/tellthemiam?selected=KPC4117929019\">Deana Haggag\u003c/a>, CEO of the arts funding organization United States Artists] literally blew me away. I knew she was going to talk about taking her dad to this DIY Art Space in New Jersey. I had no idea the way that she was going to frame it as this emotional and mental switch where she had been thinking that she was running away from her culture by pursuing the arts, and then she realized that the arts were actually inherently part of everything in her culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_112234\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-112234\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680.jpg\" alt=\"Illustration of Deana Haggag.\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680.jpg 200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680-160x160.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Illustration of Deana Haggag. \u003ccite>(Emmen Ahmed/KPCC)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Like, she says everything down to our religion is in song, everything is dance and the country Egypt is a museum. And by institutionalizing art, she was doing something that was foreign to her parents because art was so much a part of their lives. Listening to her I was like, \"Oh my God. That's exactly the struggle that I have had.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And I related so deeply but I had never been able to articulate it in that way. My parents would recite Urdu poetry at the dinner table back and forth to each other, or in the car on a road trip we would listen to Sufi classical music. My dad does Islamic calligraphy in wood and leather as a hobby. These are things that are just deeply a part of my life. Colors and aesthetic and music and how we dress and look—all those things are such a part of who I am.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The show centers Muslim voices, but the stories aren't centered around being Muslim. How do you explain that to your interview subjects so that they understand what you're going for?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We were just like, we don't want to pigeonhole you. We don't want to ask you about that aspect of your identity. We want \u003cem>you \u003c/em>to figure out a defining moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think most of the people who ended up being guests on this show, they kind of got it right away, even if it took them a moment to figure out what that moment was in their life. But basically, what we would say is, \u003cem>\"Listen, you've probably always been asked about being Muslim and blah blah blah.\"\u003c/em> Some of our queer Muslim guests were like, \"Oh my God, thank God you're not asking me about the gay Muslim thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You're really trying to move beyond the surface level of people's stories. How do you get that kind of vulnerability out of people?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think it's a wonder what listening can do. I try to mostly just stay quiet and stay out of the story and the interview process as much as possible....\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And when your interviewer is with somebody who's Muslim, who's also been pigeonholed, and who can relate to your experience I think maybe there's a little bit more of a comfort level there. You're willing to go to places where you wouldn't with another interviewer who doesn't know anything about your experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think a lot of times Muslims are called to respond to certain things in the media and they don't have control over their own narrative. And this simple act of not deciding ahead of time what the story is, but rather letting your guests dictate the story, gives them power to define their narrative again and to lead with their story rather than their label. Like you don't have to be a woman or brown or Muslim or all these other things that carry so much baggage and connotation, but instead they can be what it is that they want to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=The+Ramadan+Podcast+Where+Muslims+Take+It+Up+A+Notch+From+%27Islam+101%27+&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/112232/the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-go-beyond-islam-101","authors":["byline_pop_112232"],"categories":["pop_5","pop_3"],"tags":["pop_3682","pop_3683","pop_3147","pop_3581","pop_3582","pop_340","pop_3681"],"featImg":"pop_112233","label":"pop"},"pop_109973":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_109973","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"109973","score":null,"sort":[1551914120000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"queer-eyes-jonathan-van-ness-set-to-live-his-ice-skater-fantasy-on-netflixs-spinning-out","title":"Queer Eye's Jonathan Van Ness Set to Live His Ice Skater Fantasy on Netflix's 'Spinning Out'","publishDate":1551914120,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Last summer, we enthusiastically declared that following \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em>'s Fab Five on social media might just have \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/104854/following-the-queer-eye-fab-5-on-instagram-might-just-fix-your-life\">life-changing consequences.\u003c/a> Well, those of you who took our advice have probably been watching in wonder as silken-haired god amongst men, Jonathan Van Ness, learned to ice skate before our very eyes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRtDWeu0HX8\">strugz to func\u003c/a>\" last November:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqh6rPGAIMD/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To spins in February:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BuWWcRdn3tk/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Finally, on Wednesday, Jonathan explained what all the hard work has been for; he's guest-starring on a new Netflix drama series called \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_Out\">Spinning Out\u003c/a>\u003c/em>!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BurR4Jmne16/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JVN will play Bruce, a larger-than-life \u003ca href=\"https://ew.com/tv/2019/03/06/jonathan-van-ness-netflix-spinning-out/?utm_term=B8CF86CC-4044-11E9-8F33-D7BB4744363C&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_ew&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link\">\"former skater turned big-time choreographer,\"\u003c/a> who is hired to work with an up-and-coming solo skater to launch her career. The 10-episode series will also feature January Jones and Olympic skater babe \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Weir\">Johnny Weir\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you think about it, JVN has been manifesting this role ever since he performed a figure skating routine on dry land, before an entire school auditorium in his youth:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BrqpMdTHTE0/?utm_source=ig_embed\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Really, it shouldn't come as a surprise, given how outspoken he's consistently been about his passion for the sport. There was the \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> episode in which he declared \"I have been watching figure skating like it was the end of the world since 1992.\" There was the assertion on \u003cem>The\u003c/em> \u003cem>Wendy Williams Show\u003c/em> that the celebrity he'd most like to makeover would be Tonya Harding (\"No shade at all because I’m, like, obsessed with her\"). And there was the episode of his podcast, \u003ca href=\"https://www.earwolf.com/show/getting-curious-with-jonathan-van-ness/\">\u003cem>Getting Curious With Jonathan Van Ness,\u003c/em>\u003c/a> in which he asked Olympic skater, Mirai Nagasu: “Do you ever make eyes with like that one f**king judge who you know is an asshole, and just be like ‘I’m gonna triple this axel so f**king hard down your throat right now’?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Don't tell the others, but Jonathan has been our Fab Five fave ever since the Netflix reboot started, and not just because of how much\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/queer-eyes-jonathan-van-ness-on-turning-red-states-pink/id1041117499?i=1000407027183&mt=2\"> fun the hosts of \u003cem>The Cooler\u003c/em> had with him\u003c/a> this time last year. Listen for yourself:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/03/JVN.mp3\" title=\"Queer Eye's Jonathan Van Ness on Turning Red States Pink\" program=\"The Cooler\" image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/03/Jonathan-Van-Ness.jpg\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No word yet on when \u003cem>Spinning Out\u003c/em> premieres, but to say we can't wait is an understatement, honey.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"All that ice-skating practice on Jonathan's Instagram account wasn't just for fun, honey.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1551916609,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":11,"wordCount":453},"headData":{"title":"Queer Eye's Jonathan Van Ness Set to Live His Ice Skater Fantasy on Netflix's 'Spinning Out' | KQED","description":"All that ice-skating practice on Jonathan's Instagram account wasn't just for fun, honey.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Queer Eye's Jonathan Van Ness Set to Live His Ice Skater Fantasy on Netflix's 'Spinning Out'","datePublished":"2019-03-06T23:15:20.000Z","dateModified":"2019-03-06T23:56:49.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"109973 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=109973","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/03/06/queer-eyes-jonathan-van-ness-set-to-live-his-ice-skater-fantasy-on-netflixs-spinning-out/","disqusTitle":"Queer Eye's Jonathan Van Ness Set to Live His Ice Skater Fantasy on Netflix's 'Spinning Out'","path":"/pop/109973/queer-eyes-jonathan-van-ness-set-to-live-his-ice-skater-fantasy-on-netflixs-spinning-out","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Last summer, we enthusiastically declared that following \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em>'s Fab Five on social media might just have \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/104854/following-the-queer-eye-fab-5-on-instagram-might-just-fix-your-life\">life-changing consequences.\u003c/a> Well, those of you who took our advice have probably been watching in wonder as silken-haired god amongst men, Jonathan Van Ness, learned to ice skate before our very eyes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRtDWeu0HX8\">strugz to func\u003c/a>\" last November:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"Bqh6rPGAIMD"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>To spins in February:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BuWWcRdn3tk"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Finally, on Wednesday, Jonathan explained what all the hard work has been for; he's guest-starring on a new Netflix drama series called \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_Out\">Spinning Out\u003c/a>\u003c/em>!\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BurR4Jmne16"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>JVN will play Bruce, a larger-than-life \u003ca href=\"https://ew.com/tv/2019/03/06/jonathan-van-ness-netflix-spinning-out/?utm_term=B8CF86CC-4044-11E9-8F33-D7BB4744363C&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_ew&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link\">\"former skater turned big-time choreographer,\"\u003c/a> who is hired to work with an up-and-coming solo skater to launch her career. 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There was the \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> episode in which he declared \"I have been watching figure skating like it was the end of the world since 1992.\" There was the assertion on \u003cem>The\u003c/em> \u003cem>Wendy Williams Show\u003c/em> that the celebrity he'd most like to makeover would be Tonya Harding (\"No shade at all because I’m, like, obsessed with her\"). And there was the episode of his podcast, \u003ca href=\"https://www.earwolf.com/show/getting-curious-with-jonathan-van-ness/\">\u003cem>Getting Curious With Jonathan Van Ness,\u003c/em>\u003c/a> in which he asked Olympic skater, Mirai Nagasu: “Do you ever make eyes with like that one f**king judge who you know is an asshole, and just be like ‘I’m gonna triple this axel so f**king hard down your throat right now’?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Don't tell the others, but Jonathan has been our Fab Five fave ever since the Netflix reboot started, and not just because of how much\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/queer-eyes-jonathan-van-ness-on-turning-red-states-pink/id1041117499?i=1000407027183&mt=2\"> fun the hosts of \u003cem>The Cooler\u003c/em> had with him\u003c/a> this time last year. Listen for yourself:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"src":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/03/JVN.mp3","title":"Queer Eye's Jonathan Van Ness on Turning Red States Pink","program":"The Cooler","image":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/03/Jonathan-Van-Ness.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No word yet on when \u003cem>Spinning Out\u003c/em> premieres, but to say we can't wait is an understatement, honey.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/109973/queer-eyes-jonathan-van-ness-set-to-live-his-ice-skater-fantasy-on-netflixs-spinning-out","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_3"],"tags":["pop_3426","pop_3341","pop_3492","pop_3177","pop_438","pop_3147","pop_3491","pop_81"],"featImg":"pop_109991","label":"pop"},"pop_104854":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_104854","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"104854","score":null,"sort":[1535742474000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"following-the-queer-eye-fab-5-on-instagram-might-just-fix-your-life","title":"Following the 'Queer Eye' Fab 5 on Instagram Might Just Fix Your Life","publishDate":1535742474,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>For those of us who long to have \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7259746/?ref_=nv_sr_1\">Queer Eye\u003c/a>'\u003c/em>s current Fab 5 march into our lives, give us new furniture and generally make us better, the fact that they currently only do missions on the other side of the country can be frustrating. But there is a solution that's as speedy as Antoni's meal prep and as pretty as Tan's silver coif: Instagram.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The social media delights on offer from Karamo, Tan, Jonathan, Antoni and Bobby can often make you feel like you're starring in your very own episode.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let's start with grooming expert, Jonathan Van Ness (\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/102783/queer-eyes-jonathan-van-ness-on-turning-red-states-pink-one-makeover-at-a-time\">who was a guest on our very own podcast, \u003cem>The Cooler\u003c/em>, a few months ago\u003c/a>). Honestly, we should just make a general rule that everything in the world should \u003cem>always\u003c/em> start with Jonathan. It may often seem like JVN has no off-switch, but his \u003ca href=\"https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=P.M.A\">PMA\u003c/a>-fueled social media presence is chock full of new and creative ways to feel good.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Look how carefree he is doing his backflips!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BmrZHI_BH-u/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And check out this very important animal therapy!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-a3Lsh2YQ/?taken-by=jvn\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And hey guys, there's no shame in taking some lessons from the relaxation master...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BlrJKRbhr30/?taken-by=jvn\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then there's stylist\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/tanfrance/?hl=en\"> Tan France\u003c/a>, who, as you might expect, excels at showing us how to serve the strongest of looks:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BkQ4BO-A_vj/?taken-by=tanfrance\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tan also teaches us how to look chic in the places we're most tempted to throw our sweatpants on (like \u003cem>animals). \u003c/em>Important note: it almost always involves \u003ca href=\"https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/news/queer-eye-french-tuck/\">a French tuck\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BlN_LG5gNW9/?taken-by=tanfrance\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tan also shows us how to look cool and calm while snuggled up to celebs like Cara Delavigne, should you ever find yourself on the receiving end of a Gigi Hadid birthday party invitation!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BiCUsa6g39H/?taken-by=tanfrance\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/bobbyberk/?hl=en\">Bobby Berk\u003c/a>'s entire mission is to share as many ridiculously gorgeous home designs as he can muster, so you can feel even worse about that pile of laundry in the corner, and better about, say, painting everything black:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BlEZ2mDA147/?hl=en&taken-by=bobbyberk\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And sometimes, he gives us reminders that, even in the most thoughtful of homes, not everything has to be so serious:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BknmvITAT5Q/?hl=en&taken-by=bobbyberk\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Did we mention that he's also an ordained minister? Yeah. This guy can do everything:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BklCQG1B-XY/?hl=en&taken-by=bobbyberk\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chef and John Mayer lookalike \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/antoni/?hl=en\">Antoni Porowski\u003c/a> will teach you how to mix drinks and flex muscles at the same time:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BkiCkC1F86M/?hl=en&taken-by=antoni\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He'll demonstrate the right way to wear pajamas on the red carpet:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BjfS7jbFA8h/?hl=en&taken-by=antoni\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he'll show you how to become BFFs with Justin Trudeau:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BmrX8Vflupp/?taken-by=antoni\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Finally, there's the king of great advice, \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/karamobrown/?hl=en\">Karamo Brown\u003c/a>. He's your go-to guy if you need a daily dose of motivation and practical tips to improve your life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Karamo only needs five words to tell you how to accomplish all your dreams:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm37MplFksb/?taken-by=karamobrown\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Feminist parenting tips? Right here:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BmWlQ3wgbDU/?taken-by=karamobrown\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, rather adorably, he's not above making his followers learn lessons via the medium of children's cartoons:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl5kwCYAPG6/?taken-by=karamobrown\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sure, it's not as fabulous as having the real thing in your home, but this quintet works hard enough online to make a difference in all of our lives. Plus, like the show, they also know when to mix it up with a little silliness. Who even knows what's happening here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl6K3lCHvcB/?taken-by=karamobrown\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thanks, Fab 5!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BlJk4dOn0aD/?taken-by=karamobrown\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Ever wanted to be in your own episode of 'Queer Eye'? Just follow the Fab 5 on Instragram—it's the next best thing.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1535742474,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":709},"headData":{"title":"Following the 'Queer Eye' Fab 5 on Instagram Might Just Fix Your Life | KQED","description":"Ever wanted to be in your own episode of 'Queer Eye'? 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But there is a solution that's as speedy as Antoni's meal prep and as pretty as Tan's silver coif: Instagram.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The social media delights on offer from Karamo, Tan, Jonathan, Antoni and Bobby can often make you feel like you're starring in your very own episode.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let's start with grooming expert, Jonathan Van Ness (\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/102783/queer-eyes-jonathan-van-ness-on-turning-red-states-pink-one-makeover-at-a-time\">who was a guest on our very own podcast, \u003cem>The Cooler\u003c/em>, a few months ago\u003c/a>). Honestly, we should just make a general rule that everything in the world should \u003cem>always\u003c/em> start with Jonathan. It may often seem like JVN has no off-switch, but his \u003ca href=\"https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=P.M.A\">PMA\u003c/a>-fueled social media presence is chock full of new and creative ways to feel good.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Look how carefree he is doing his backflips!\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BmrZHI_BH-u"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And check out this very important animal therapy!\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"Bk-a3Lsh2YQ"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>And hey guys, there's no shame in taking some lessons from the relaxation master...\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BlrJKRbhr30"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then there's stylist\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/tanfrance/?hl=en\"> Tan France\u003c/a>, who, as you might expect, excels at showing us how to serve the strongest of looks:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BkQ4BO-A_vj"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Tan also teaches us how to look chic in the places we're most tempted to throw our sweatpants on (like \u003cem>animals). \u003c/em>Important note: it almost always involves \u003ca href=\"https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/news/queer-eye-french-tuck/\">a French tuck\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BlN_LG5gNW9"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Tan also shows us how to look cool and calm while snuggled up to celebs like Cara Delavigne, should you ever find yourself on the receiving end of a Gigi Hadid birthday party invitation!\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BiCUsa6g39H"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/bobbyberk/?hl=en\">Bobby Berk\u003c/a>'s entire mission is to share as many ridiculously gorgeous home designs as he can muster, so you can feel even worse about that pile of laundry in the corner, and better about, say, painting everything black:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BlEZ2mDA147"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>And sometimes, he gives us reminders that, even in the most thoughtful of homes, not everything has to be so serious:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BknmvITAT5Q"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Did we mention that he's also an ordained minister? Yeah. This guy can do everything:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BklCQG1B-XY"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chef and John Mayer lookalike \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/antoni/?hl=en\">Antoni Porowski\u003c/a> will teach you how to mix drinks and flex muscles at the same time:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BkiCkC1F86M"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>He'll demonstrate the right way to wear pajamas on the red carpet:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BjfS7jbFA8h"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>And he'll show you how to become BFFs with Justin Trudeau:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BmrX8Vflupp"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Finally, there's the king of great advice, \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/karamobrown/?hl=en\">Karamo Brown\u003c/a>. He's your go-to guy if you need a daily dose of motivation and practical tips to improve your life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Karamo only needs five words to tell you how to accomplish all your dreams:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"Bm37MplFksb"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Feminist parenting tips? Right here:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BmWlQ3wgbDU"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>And, rather adorably, he's not above making his followers learn lessons via the medium of children's cartoons:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"Bl5kwCYAPG6"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sure, it's not as fabulous as having the real thing in your home, but this quintet works hard enough online to make a difference in all of our lives. Plus, like the show, they also know when to mix it up with a little silliness. Who even knows what's happening here?\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"Bl6K3lCHvcB"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Thanks, Fab 5!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BlJk4dOn0aD"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/104854/following-the-queer-eye-fab-5-on-instagram-might-just-fix-your-life","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_5","pop_3"],"tags":["pop_363","pop_3147"],"featImg":"pop_104950","label":"pop"},"pop_104255":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_104255","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"104255","score":null,"sort":[1529519956000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"this-is-a-moment-honey-queer-eye-gurus-jonathan-and-antoni-on-the-shows-magic","title":"'This is a Moment, Honey': Jonathan and Antoni on the Magic of 'Queer Eye'","publishDate":1529519956,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Grab the tissues — the Fab Five are back with a second season of Netflix's \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7259746/?ref_=nv_sr_1\">\u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the uninitiated, \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> is a makeover show where five gay men with different areas of expertise (fashion, food, grooming, interior design) have a week to help change the life of one person, who they refer to as a \"hero.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Gh0LRdKu4\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The show is based on \u003ca href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358332/?ref_=nv_sr_1\">\u003cem>Queer Eye for the Straight Guy\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, which aired on Bravo in the 2000s. But the Netflix series has moved beyond the original, which focused on men. Season two opens with a hero named Tammye Hicks, an active church member who talks about how she came to accept her gay son.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cast member Antoni Porowski (food) says, \"That was really an episode where I think the tables were turned. I feel like with a lot of the heroes, we tend to try to bring out parts of them that they want to discuss, and we sort of help facilitate that. With Tammye, it really switched and I feel like she called us out on a lot of our stuff and really brought a lot of things to light.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Porowski and Jonathan Van Ness (grooming) tell NPR about the heartwarming Tammye episode and how they respond to the show's critics.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch3>Interview Highlights\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On why\u003c/strong> \u003cstrong>Porowski was especially moved by Tammye's story\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Porowski: \u003c/strong>I'll kind of leave it as I've had a problematic relationship growing up with my parents. Things are a lot better right now, but it's definitely been a work in progress, and unconditional love from a parent is not something that I take for granted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And to see somebody like Tammye, who is so embedded in her religion — it's something that's very important to her — and was able to realize it wasn't the Bible, it wasn't religion; it was the way that she chose to look at her son being gay, and how he was or wasn't accepted into the church. And for somebody to sort of have that humility and realize: No, the problem is me. It's the way that I'm looking at the situation. The facts are all the same, it's just the angle at which I'm looking at the situation — specifically, her son being gay. That's something that really touched me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_104257\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-104257 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-768x432.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-1200x675.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tammye Hicks (far right) thanks the Fab Five (Karamo Brown, Porowski, Tan France, Bobby Berk, Van Ness) at the end of the season two premiere. (Pictured at far left: Tammye's son, Myles Hicks.) (Courtesy of Netflix)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On a common struggle for the show's heroes\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Van Ness:\u003c/strong> So much of what [Tammye] struggles with so many moms and women, and men actually — a lot of men struggle with that thing that Tammye did, which is just nurturing other people to a point where you lost sight of taking care of yourself, and equating self-care with selfishness. And so I was really excited for Tammye for that because it's like that whole airplane adage — like, you gotta put your little mask on first, because if your little mask isn't on, how are you gonna help me get my mask on? ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so I'm like, \"Tammye, giving so much of yourself all the time, you won't have much left to give if you don't nurture yourself a little bit.\" And I think that's something that we all struggle with because I think most of us want to do the best that we can, and I think a lot of us struggle with people pleasing. I know I do. And sometimes, you know, saying, \"No, I'm going to do this for myself,\" is very difficult.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On whether it was hurtful when some viewers started questioning Porowski's cooking abilities\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Porowski: \u003c/strong>It was at first, especially because as soon as the show came out it was like this explosion of love and nothing but praise, and then suddenly you see like one bad thing, and it's like, \u003cem>Oh my gosh\u003c/em>. I mean luckily for the bad, it's very troll-y, blog-y; for the most part no publication that I really deeply respect very much. But it's still — if I'm going to be taking the good, I have to take the bad with it as well. ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Van Ness:\u003c/strong> That whole cooking-gate thing, that was really painful for me personally because I ate your gorgeous oatmeal all the time. I ate your gorgeous smoothies all the time. I ate your gorgeous fajitas all the time. ... And when anyone brings it up it makes me want to — like, next thing I know my finger is going, my neck is going, I'm having a whole thing. I'm like, \"Do you want a menu? What do you need from me to make you understand how good he cooks? What do you need?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On why the reboot has been such a hit\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Van Ness:\u003c/strong> People are so hungry for something that's not so divisive and not so mean. ... I call it the British baking effect, like \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2016/07/01/484184090/the-bun-also-rises-why-we-love-the-great-british-baking-show\">the British baking show effect\u003c/a>, because I watch this show like morning, noon and night, all the time. It's like my all-the-time palate cleanser from the news. We just want to feel good about something, and I think that \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> I has a little bit of that magic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On adjusting to their newfound celebrity\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Van Ness: \u003c/strong>We just had Pride in L.A. last weekend and I was on this float just living my best Pride life, but I was kind of hidden on this float just kind of waving and popping out. But then this boy on an intercom on the float started being like, \"Jonathan Van Ness from \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em>.\" And ... people would literally point and start shaking and crying to a point where I was like, \"Oh my God.\" ... This is how people were reacting to Meghan Markle. When they would see me, it's like an imaginary person would like punch them in the stomach and they would just start pointing and crying. Not everyone, but a lot of people. And I was like, \"This feels like Meghan Markle! This is a moment, honey!\" ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Porowski:\u003c/strong> There's something so weirdly overwhelming about it. One thing I did that has managed to really dissipate in a big way, and I'm really happy about, is like the whole impostor syndrome. Like: Oh my God, I tricked everyone into thinking I can cook and actually be on TV and present myself and make complete sentences without like mumbling and jumbling my words, like I just did. So that part I sort of got over. But then it's like God forbid I accept the fact of what's going on right now. Like, what would happen then if I actually — my voice quivers thinking about it, it's sort of like letting yourself enjoy it which is a hard thing for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kevin Tidmarsh and Andrew Jones produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Nicole Cohen adapted it for the Web.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2018 NPR. 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But the Netflix series has moved beyond the original, which focused on men. Season two opens with a hero named Tammye Hicks, an active church member who talks about how she came to accept her gay son.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cast member Antoni Porowski (food) says, \"That was really an episode where I think the tables were turned. I feel like with a lot of the heroes, we tend to try to bring out parts of them that they want to discuss, and we sort of help facilitate that. With Tammye, it really switched and I feel like she called us out on a lot of our stuff and really brought a lot of things to light.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Porowski and Jonathan Van Ness (grooming) tell NPR about the heartwarming Tammye episode and how they respond to the show's critics.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch3>Interview Highlights\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On why\u003c/strong> \u003cstrong>Porowski was especially moved by Tammye's story\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Porowski: \u003c/strong>I'll kind of leave it as I've had a problematic relationship growing up with my parents. Things are a lot better right now, but it's definitely been a work in progress, and unconditional love from a parent is not something that I take for granted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And to see somebody like Tammye, who is so embedded in her religion — it's something that's very important to her — and was able to realize it wasn't the Bible, it wasn't religion; it was the way that she chose to look at her son being gay, and how he was or wasn't accepted into the church. And for somebody to sort of have that humility and realize: No, the problem is me. It's the way that I'm looking at the situation. The facts are all the same, it's just the angle at which I'm looking at the situation — specifically, her son being gay. That's something that really touched me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_104257\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-104257 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-768x432.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-1200x675.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/qeye_201_sg_00260r_wide-81f4fd6de979be9362999fb222c6ee654bbe8552-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tammye Hicks (far right) thanks the Fab Five (Karamo Brown, Porowski, Tan France, Bobby Berk, Van Ness) at the end of the season two premiere. 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And so I was really excited for Tammye for that because it's like that whole airplane adage — like, you gotta put your little mask on first, because if your little mask isn't on, how are you gonna help me get my mask on? ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so I'm like, \"Tammye, giving so much of yourself all the time, you won't have much left to give if you don't nurture yourself a little bit.\" And I think that's something that we all struggle with because I think most of us want to do the best that we can, and I think a lot of us struggle with people pleasing. I know I do. And sometimes, you know, saying, \"No, I'm going to do this for myself,\" is very difficult.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On whether it was hurtful when some viewers started questioning Porowski's cooking abilities\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Porowski: \u003c/strong>It was at first, especially because as soon as the show came out it was like this explosion of love and nothing but praise, and then suddenly you see like one bad thing, and it's like, \u003cem>Oh my gosh\u003c/em>. I mean luckily for the bad, it's very troll-y, blog-y; for the most part no publication that I really deeply respect very much. But it's still — if I'm going to be taking the good, I have to take the bad with it as well. ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Van Ness:\u003c/strong> That whole cooking-gate thing, that was really painful for me personally because I ate your gorgeous oatmeal all the time. I ate your gorgeous smoothies all the time. I ate your gorgeous fajitas all the time. ... And when anyone brings it up it makes me want to — like, next thing I know my finger is going, my neck is going, I'm having a whole thing. I'm like, \"Do you want a menu? What do you need from me to make you understand how good he cooks? What do you need?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On why the reboot has been such a hit\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Van Ness:\u003c/strong> People are so hungry for something that's not so divisive and not so mean. ... I call it the British baking effect, like \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2016/07/01/484184090/the-bun-also-rises-why-we-love-the-great-british-baking-show\">the British baking show effect\u003c/a>, because I watch this show like morning, noon and night, all the time. It's like my all-the-time palate cleanser from the news. We just want to feel good about something, and I think that \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em> I has a little bit of that magic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On adjusting to their newfound celebrity\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Van Ness: \u003c/strong>We just had Pride in L.A. last weekend and I was on this float just living my best Pride life, but I was kind of hidden on this float just kind of waving and popping out. But then this boy on an intercom on the float started being like, \"Jonathan Van Ness from \u003cem>Queer Eye\u003c/em>.\" And ... people would literally point and start shaking and crying to a point where I was like, \"Oh my God.\" ... This is how people were reacting to Meghan Markle. When they would see me, it's like an imaginary person would like punch them in the stomach and they would just start pointing and crying. Not everyone, but a lot of people. And I was like, \"This feels like Meghan Markle! This is a moment, honey!\" ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Porowski:\u003c/strong> There's something so weirdly overwhelming about it. One thing I did that has managed to really dissipate in a big way, and I'm really happy about, is like the whole impostor syndrome. Like: Oh my God, I tricked everyone into thinking I can cook and actually be on TV and present myself and make complete sentences without like mumbling and jumbling my words, like I just did. So that part I sort of got over. But then it's like God forbid I accept the fact of what's going on right now. Like, what would happen then if I actually — my voice quivers thinking about it, it's sort of like letting yourself enjoy it which is a hard thing for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kevin Tidmarsh and Andrew Jones produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Nicole Cohen adapted it for the Web.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2018 NPR. 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