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| KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp class=\"p1\">\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Robotaxis had their Icarus moment in 2023, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://sfstandard.com/2023/12/29/cruise-waymo-robotaxis-2024-predictions/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">writes Joshua Bote\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, tech reporter for The San Francisco Standard. After Cruise’s rise and fall in San Francisco, what’s ahead for the robotaxi industry?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3221209728\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, and welcome to the Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. There was a moment last year where it seemed like the rise of robo taxis or driverless vehicles in San Francisco was just inevitable. There was fascination, but also skepticism, and yet they just kept coming until, of course, the carpet got pulled out from under one of the biggest names in the industry; Cruise.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>After a series of viral mishaps, bad PR and a cruise vehicle hitting and dragging a woman. Cruise is now off the streets. So does that mean robo taxis are done for?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>That really is like, felt like such a severe turning point for how regulators and the general public and even the tech press saw cruise, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, the future of robo taxis in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Cruise was sort of this company that felt like you saw them everywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Joshua Bote is a tech reporter for the San Francisco Standard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>You saw them in the sunset. You saw them in the Richmond, and eventually you started seeing them all over the city. I think that it was widely understood that cruise was the company that was expanding, and Waymo was sort of trying to be slower and be a little bit less aggressive with their expansion in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, back in August, Cruise and Waymo got the okay to charge fares, and it really just felt like, okay, these things are just going to be around like they’re going to be part of life here in San Francisco. Is that how it felt to you?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Yeah. You know, there’s definitely was this idea that they were sort of inevitable, right? That once they got sort of introduced into the cities, that they would just keep on coming and keep on expanding and, you know, you’d see less and less drivers operating these things in these robo taxis would operate on their own around the packed streets of downtown and Union Square, and you’d see them everywhere. There were a lot of big numbers that were being touted around, not just by analysts, but by the companies themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>GM executives and cruise executives were like, by 2025, cruise would be on track to make $1 billion. By 2030, cruise would make $50 billion like the sky was the limit. I think people took them at their word that this technology was working, and that it would prove to be the future of trading in San Francisco, not just, you know, in cars. But I think that, like people believed that it would upend public transit systems and change the way that people get around the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Right. So the messaging at the time was, this is the future. Humans are terrible drivers. Leave it up to the robotaxis. But then this feeling that Waymo and Cruise especially were flying high, seemed to really take a pretty quick turn when these high profile incidents and videos came out. Can you remind us of some of the biggest ones?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Almost immediately after Cruise and Waymo were approved to expand their services and operations in San Francisco? That was August 10th. A day later, I was covering outside lands, and I remember leaving Golden Gate Park and immediately seeing just a cruise stuck at the intersection for like a solid half hour, just causing traffic jams. It was such a jarring thing to see that this technology had immediately faltered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Around that time, too. There was an incident in North Beach where there were like 5 or 6 cruisers that, like, couldn’t move. And that was just this one two punch of what is actually going to happen when if there’s a Warriors game or if there’s like a big giant scam, like what will happen? And how can crews specifically adapt to big events like this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And, and I mean, those stolen cars were one thing, but then people actually were hurt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Yeah, there were other incidents, right? Like there were cruisers that were stuck in wet concrete. There were cruisers that like, got tangled up in electrical wiring during a storm. A lot of emergency vehicles and first responders and, you know, police and fire unions complained about crews and Waymo cars impeding their access to emergency scenes. But the big, big incident that I think sort of proved to be the turning point for how we saw crews in Waymo was, on October 2nd.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>A hit and run. Driver struck a woman. The driver fled the scene, but then a cruise immediately after ran her over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>It was a horrible, horrible thing to see. I think that people were really disturbed and shaken up by it. I think the immediate response by crews also proved to be a little bit concerning. They really tried to frame it in a different light in a way that as time would go on and more information came out about it, that it felt like Cruz was sort of deceiving the public and officials about how they handled the situation. Before the end of the month. Cruz had fully had its license to operate suspended by the DMV because of specifically this incident, and Cruz itself voluntarily pulled out all of its fleet across the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Can we expect them to be back on the road anytime soon?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>They said when they pulled out the fleet that they would come back in a smaller city and on a slower scale. They haven’t identified the city yet. That’s something that I’ve tried asking them about. It seems like they’re going to try and do a much slower expansion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>And it’s interesting to see, because before all of this happened, they were really adamant about grocery, really adamant about expanding their services. And this just feels like a far cry from it. Right? Just one city a lot more slowly and just trying to emphasize safety and emphasize building trust with the public again. And I think that that’s something that we’re going to see a lot more of in 2024.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up. What Cruse’s downfall means for the rest of the robotaxi industry. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joshua, we’ve been talking a lot about crews, but they’re not the only robo taxi company. Right? So I’m wondering where what’s happened to crews, and it’s sort of fall from grace. Where has that left other companies?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I think from the analyst and expert point of view, Waymo is now the top dog. For so long, we sort of understood Cruise and Waymo to be sort of like a rabbit and the tortoise type story, where cruise was moving really fast and accelerating at this level, that felt untenable. And it ultimately was. And Waymo was understood to be this sort of slower, more safety oriented company. And as a result of that, Waymo does have this perception.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>But ultimately, Cruise’s mishaps hurt the driverless car market at large. Even Waymo sort of has to continue doubling down on these safety emphasis and doubling down and just making sure that they are gaining this trust. And as for Zoox, which is Amazon owned, even, they’re still trying to ramp up in a way that can sort of build trust and build better relationships with the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>There are other, you know, robo trucks and sort of these vehicles that are delivering things that are being introduced, highway robo trucks and other things like that. But I think for our intents and purposes, I think Waymo and to a lesser extent, Zoox are going to be the companies to keep an eye out on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Do you think that public officials are still friendly to robo taxis, even after everything that happened with cruiser? Do you think that something fundamental has shifted?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I always think that it varies on sort of the state versus local level because, you know, the Board of Supervisors, even before Cruise and Waymo were going to expand on this bigger level. There was a lot of skepticism from the board across all sides. On a state level, there is a little bit more attention being drawn to it. There’s a lot more skepticism from their end, which is why you’re seeing a lot of legislators introduce bills to try and get some more regulation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>As for Gavin Newsom, he vetoed a bill that would have had more regulations on robo trucks. What he said when he vetoed that robo truck regulation bill, was there enough things already in place to regulate robo taxis? And I don’t know that activists and other people fully agree with that, but that was the logic that he provided.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What is your sense, then, right now, of how the public in San Francisco in particular, is feeling about these robo taxis and, and these companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>You know, I was in the wharf recently and I was waiting for the streetcar to come pick me up. And I was sitting next to a tourist family. And the tourist family, like, saw Waymo driving by. 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It’s a pleasure to be on the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Joshua Bote, a tech reporter for the San Francisco Standard. This 30 minute conversation with Joshua was cut down and edited by senior editor Alan Montecillo. Maria Esquinca is our producer. She scored this episode. Music courtesy of Audio Network. The Bay is a production of KQED Public Media in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thanks for listening. 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There were a lot of big numbers that were being touted around, not just by analysts, but by the companies themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>GM executives and cruise executives were like, by 2025, cruise would be on track to make $1 billion. By 2030, cruise would make $50 billion like the sky was the limit. I think people took them at their word that this technology was working, and that it would prove to be the future of trading in San Francisco, not just, you know, in cars. But I think that, like people believed that it would upend public transit systems and change the way that people get around the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Right. So the messaging at the time was, this is the future. Humans are terrible drivers. Leave it up to the robotaxis. But then this feeling that Waymo and Cruise especially were flying high, seemed to really take a pretty quick turn when these high profile incidents and videos came out. Can you remind us of some of the biggest ones?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Almost immediately after Cruise and Waymo were approved to expand their services and operations in San Francisco? That was August 10th. A day later, I was covering outside lands, and I remember leaving Golden Gate Park and immediately seeing just a cruise stuck at the intersection for like a solid half hour, just causing traffic jams. It was such a jarring thing to see that this technology had immediately faltered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Around that time, too. There was an incident in North Beach where there were like 5 or 6 cruisers that, like, couldn’t move. And that was just this one two punch of what is actually going to happen when if there’s a Warriors game or if there’s like a big giant scam, like what will happen? And how can crews specifically adapt to big events like this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And, and I mean, those stolen cars were one thing, but then people actually were hurt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Yeah, there were other incidents, right? Like there were cruisers that were stuck in wet concrete. There were cruisers that like, got tangled up in electrical wiring during a storm. A lot of emergency vehicles and first responders and, you know, police and fire unions complained about crews and Waymo cars impeding their access to emergency scenes. But the big, big incident that I think sort of proved to be the turning point for how we saw crews in Waymo was, on October 2nd.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>A hit and run. Driver struck a woman. The driver fled the scene, but then a cruise immediately after ran her over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>It was a horrible, horrible thing to see. I think that people were really disturbed and shaken up by it. I think the immediate response by crews also proved to be a little bit concerning. They really tried to frame it in a different light in a way that as time would go on and more information came out about it, that it felt like Cruz was sort of deceiving the public and officials about how they handled the situation. Before the end of the month. Cruz had fully had its license to operate suspended by the DMV because of specifically this incident, and Cruz itself voluntarily pulled out all of its fleet across the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Can we expect them to be back on the road anytime soon?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>They said when they pulled out the fleet that they would come back in a smaller city and on a slower scale. They haven’t identified the city yet. That’s something that I’ve tried asking them about. It seems like they’re going to try and do a much slower expansion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>And it’s interesting to see, because before all of this happened, they were really adamant about grocery, really adamant about expanding their services. And this just feels like a far cry from it. Right? Just one city a lot more slowly and just trying to emphasize safety and emphasize building trust with the public again. And I think that that’s something that we’re going to see a lot more of in 2024.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up. What Cruse’s downfall means for the rest of the robotaxi industry. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joshua, we’ve been talking a lot about crews, but they’re not the only robo taxi company. Right? So I’m wondering where what’s happened to crews, and it’s sort of fall from grace. Where has that left other companies?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I think from the analyst and expert point of view, Waymo is now the top dog. For so long, we sort of understood Cruise and Waymo to be sort of like a rabbit and the tortoise type story, where cruise was moving really fast and accelerating at this level, that felt untenable. And it ultimately was. And Waymo was understood to be this sort of slower, more safety oriented company. And as a result of that, Waymo does have this perception.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>But ultimately, Cruise’s mishaps hurt the driverless car market at large. Even Waymo sort of has to continue doubling down on these safety emphasis and doubling down and just making sure that they are gaining this trust. And as for Zoox, which is Amazon owned, even, they’re still trying to ramp up in a way that can sort of build trust and build better relationships with the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>There are other, you know, robo trucks and sort of these vehicles that are delivering things that are being introduced, highway robo trucks and other things like that. But I think for our intents and purposes, I think Waymo and to a lesser extent, Zoox are going to be the companies to keep an eye out on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Do you think that public officials are still friendly to robo taxis, even after everything that happened with cruiser? Do you think that something fundamental has shifted?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I always think that it varies on sort of the state versus local level because, you know, the Board of Supervisors, even before Cruise and Waymo were going to expand on this bigger level. There was a lot of skepticism from the board across all sides. On a state level, there is a little bit more attention being drawn to it. There’s a lot more skepticism from their end, which is why you’re seeing a lot of legislators introduce bills to try and get some more regulation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>As for Gavin Newsom, he vetoed a bill that would have had more regulations on robo trucks. What he said when he vetoed that robo truck regulation bill, was there enough things already in place to regulate robo taxis? And I don’t know that activists and other people fully agree with that, but that was the logic that he provided.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What is your sense, then, right now, of how the public in San Francisco in particular, is feeling about these robo taxis and, and these companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>You know, I was in the wharf recently and I was waiting for the streetcar to come pick me up. And I was sitting next to a tourist family. And the tourist family, like, saw Waymo driving by. And they were like amazed by it. They’re like, oh my God, it’s a driverless car. That’s so wild.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>San Francisco is such a crazy place and people think it’s cool or people think it’s stranger otters unnerving or it runs the gamut emotionally. But beyond this idea that that’s a cool thing, I don’t know that people are sort of using it in their day to day lives. People at the end of the day are still calling up Uber and Lyft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, what lessons are you taking away from the story of Cruise’s rise and fall?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I think sort of evergreen one is to always be skeptical of companies, especially tech companies, when they make claims that are too good to be true. Like, cruise took out the ad that was like, we are safer than human drivers. Human drivers are terrible. And they took that out in the Chronicle, in the New York Times. It was everywhere. And even then I felt a little bit of skepticism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>But with all the details that kept coming out about how cruise wanted hyperspeed growth and how cruise sought to expand almost at the expense of their safety and regulation goals. When technology collides with the real world and and it’s no longer in beta testing and you sort of have to live with it, there are so many unforeseen consequences. And I think that that’s the thing that we have to pay attention to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Joshua, thank you so much for joining us on the show and for talking about this with me. I really appreciate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Thank you for having me. It’s a pleasure to be on the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Joshua Bote, a tech reporter for the San Francisco Standard. This 30 minute conversation with Joshua was cut down and edited by senior editor Alan Montecillo. Maria Esquinca is our producer. She scored this episode. Music courtesy of Audio Network. The Bay is a production of KQED Public Media in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thanks for listening. Peace.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11973149/after-cruises-implosion-whats-next-for-robotaxis","authors":["8654","11802","11649"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_19179","news_33009","news_33028","news_353","news_22598","news_20576"],"featImg":"news_11973245","label":"source_news_11973149"},"news_11965443":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11965443","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11965443","score":null,"sort":[1698181230000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"california-dmv-pumps-the-brakes-on-cruise-driverless-taxis-in-san-francisco","title":"California DMV and CPUC Pump the Brakes on Cruise Driverless Taxis in San Francisco","publishDate":1698181230,"format":"standard","headTitle":"California DMV and CPUC Pump the Brakes on Cruise Driverless Taxis in San Francisco | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 11:15 a.m. Wednesday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s the end of the road for one driverless vehicle company in San Francisco. At least for now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"California Department of Motor Vehicles\"]‘The DMV will not approve until the company has fulfilled the requirements to the department’s satisfaction.’[/pullquote]On Tuesday, \u003ca href=\"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24082109-gm-cruise-order-of-suspension-deployment\">the California Department of Motor Vehicles\u003c/a> announced that it suspended autonomous vehicle deployment and driverless testing permits for Cruise because of an early October incident in which a pedestrian was seriously injured.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The DMV said it was lifting Cruise’s permits indefinitely due to safety concerns and because the company failed to disclose full details of the Oct. 2 collision at 5th and Market streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Public safety remains the California DMV’s top priority, and the department’s autonomous vehicle regulations provide a framework to facilitate the safe testing and deployment of this technology on California public roads,” the DMV said in a statement. “The DMV will not approve until the company has fulfilled the requirements to the department’s satisfaction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Public Utilities Commission, which regulates for-hire transportation services, quickly followed suit. The commission issued an order suspending Cruise’s permit to carry members of the public, whether or not they’re paying for rides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both the DMV and CPUC said they are investigating.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>General Motors-owned Cruise is one of two robotaxi companies in San Francisco that the CPUC authorized in August to operate driverless vehicles in the city. The other is Waymo, which is owned by Google’s parent company, Alphabet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The DMV’s order on Tuesday only applies to Cruise. The state agency said it has found Cruise’s autonomous vehicles are unsafe and that the company has allegedly “misrepresented” safety data about the cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cruise said it learned of the DMV’s decision on Tuesday at 10:30 a.m. PDT and will stop all driverless vehicle operations in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The suspension follows increasing public pushback over Cruise and other driverless vehicles that operate in San Francisco and a handful of recent crashes involving Cruise robotaxis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11959303,news_11958630,news_11957833\" label=\"Related Stories\"]One of those incidents was a hit-and-run in early October, where a human driver struck a pedestrian crossing Fifth and Market streets, hurling them into the street in front of a Cruise robotaxi. The driverless vehicle then rolled over and dragged the pedestrian forward as it attempted to pull over to stop because it detected a collision, reports from \u003ca href=\"https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-the-recent-sf-hit-and-run-incident/\">Cruise\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/woman-run-autonomous-vehicle-san-francisco-18403044.php\">witnesses\u003c/a> say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our teams are currently doing an analysis to identify potential enhancements to the AV’s response to this kind of extremely rare event,” a Cruise spokesperson said in an email to KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The DMV cited the Oct. 2 accident in its order of suspension sent to Cruise on Thursday, obtained by KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The agency said Cruise “failed to disclose that the AV executed a pullover maneuver that increased the risk of, and may have caused, further injury to a pedestrian,” the letter sent to Cruise reads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the accident, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it would investigate Cruise, writing in an Oct. 16 memo that the company “may not have exercised appropriate caution to around pedestrians in the roadway.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The San Francisco city attorney’s office has asked the CPUC to revisit its August decision to allow Cruise and Waymo to expand operations without first requiring them to meet certain safety requirements.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>City Attorney David Chiu told KQED his office has not yet received any response from CPUC. He said that the DMV’s actions on Tuesday “vindicates the public safety concerns our city has been raising for months.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need Cruise to step forward and hopefully take a different turn here and engage with the city transparently with real accountability,” Chiu said regarding allegations from the DMV that Cruise failed to disclose how the driverless vehicle drove 20 feet with the victim beneath the car. “What was suggested in the DMV letter is troubling.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Teamsters Western Region International Vice President Peter Finn called the DMV’s decision “a step in the right direction,” but that it’s “too little too late.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Regulatory bodies should have enough foresight and operational savvy to know that the responsible thing to do is to make sure that automated driving systems are safe before they are introduced to the general public — not after they are introduced, and certainly not after driverless cars have caused traffic jams, injuries, and obstructions to first responders,” Finn said in a press release.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Teamsters have protested efforts by Cruise to expand driverless vehicles in California, citing labor and safety concerns. The group supported Assembly Bill 316, which would have required human operators in cars and trucks weighing more than 10,000 pounds and easily passed in both houses of the Legislature. Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assemblymember Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, said he’s taken a Cruise ride and found it to feel safe but supports the DMV’s decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">I applaud \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/CA_DMV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@CA_DMV\u003c/a> for their oversight role in making sure San Franciscans are safe on our streets. I took my 1st \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Cruise?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@Cruise\u003c/a> ride last week & found it to be safe/cautious. I’ll continue to monitor the situation to ensure safety is prioritized before the company’s cars may return. \u003ca href=\"https://t.co/DCExNWRnOc\">pic.twitter.com/DCExNWRnOc\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— Phil Ting (@PhilTing) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/PhilTing/status/1716865643843367286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 24, 2023\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a developing story and will be updated. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated to add the California Public Utilities Commission’s suspension of Cruise’s permit to carry passengers. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The Department of Motor Vehicles on Tuesday suspended the company’s autonomous vehicle deployment, citing public safety concerns.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1698266678,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":28,"wordCount":979},"headData":{"title":"California DMV and CPUC Pump the Brakes on Cruise Driverless Taxis in San Francisco | KQED","description":"The Department of Motor Vehicles on Tuesday suspended the company’s autonomous vehicle deployment, citing public safety concerns.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"California DMV and CPUC Pump the Brakes on Cruise Driverless Taxis in San Francisco","datePublished":"2023-10-24T21:00:30.000Z","dateModified":"2023-10-25T20:44:38.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11965443/california-dmv-pumps-the-brakes-on-cruise-driverless-taxis-in-san-francisco","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 11:15 a.m. Wednesday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s the end of the road for one driverless vehicle company in San Francisco. At least for now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘The DMV will not approve until the company has fulfilled the requirements to the department’s satisfaction.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"California Department of Motor Vehicles","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>On Tuesday, \u003ca href=\"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24082109-gm-cruise-order-of-suspension-deployment\">the California Department of Motor Vehicles\u003c/a> announced that it suspended autonomous vehicle deployment and driverless testing permits for Cruise because of an early October incident in which a pedestrian was seriously injured.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The DMV said it was lifting Cruise’s permits indefinitely due to safety concerns and because the company failed to disclose full details of the Oct. 2 collision at 5th and Market streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Public safety remains the California DMV’s top priority, and the department’s autonomous vehicle regulations provide a framework to facilitate the safe testing and deployment of this technology on California public roads,” the DMV said in a statement. “The DMV will not approve until the company has fulfilled the requirements to the department’s satisfaction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Public Utilities Commission, which regulates for-hire transportation services, quickly followed suit. The commission issued an order suspending Cruise’s permit to carry members of the public, whether or not they’re paying for rides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both the DMV and CPUC said they are investigating.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>General Motors-owned Cruise is one of two robotaxi companies in San Francisco that the CPUC authorized in August to operate driverless vehicles in the city. The other is Waymo, which is owned by Google’s parent company, Alphabet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The DMV’s order on Tuesday only applies to Cruise. The state agency said it has found Cruise’s autonomous vehicles are unsafe and that the company has allegedly “misrepresented” safety data about the cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cruise said it learned of the DMV’s decision on Tuesday at 10:30 a.m. PDT and will stop all driverless vehicle operations in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The suspension follows increasing public pushback over Cruise and other driverless vehicles that operate in San Francisco and a handful of recent crashes involving Cruise robotaxis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11959303,news_11958630,news_11957833","label":"Related Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>One of those incidents was a hit-and-run in early October, where a human driver struck a pedestrian crossing Fifth and Market streets, hurling them into the street in front of a Cruise robotaxi. The driverless vehicle then rolled over and dragged the pedestrian forward as it attempted to pull over to stop because it detected a collision, reports from \u003ca href=\"https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-the-recent-sf-hit-and-run-incident/\">Cruise\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/woman-run-autonomous-vehicle-san-francisco-18403044.php\">witnesses\u003c/a> say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our teams are currently doing an analysis to identify potential enhancements to the AV’s response to this kind of extremely rare event,” a Cruise spokesperson said in an email to KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The DMV cited the Oct. 2 accident in its order of suspension sent to Cruise on Thursday, obtained by KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The agency said Cruise “failed to disclose that the AV executed a pullover maneuver that increased the risk of, and may have caused, further injury to a pedestrian,” the letter sent to Cruise reads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the accident, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it would investigate Cruise, writing in an Oct. 16 memo that the company “may not have exercised appropriate caution to around pedestrians in the roadway.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The San Francisco city attorney’s office has asked the CPUC to revisit its August decision to allow Cruise and Waymo to expand operations without first requiring them to meet certain safety requirements.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>City Attorney David Chiu told KQED his office has not yet received any response from CPUC. He said that the DMV’s actions on Tuesday “vindicates the public safety concerns our city has been raising for months.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need Cruise to step forward and hopefully take a different turn here and engage with the city transparently with real accountability,” Chiu said regarding allegations from the DMV that Cruise failed to disclose how the driverless vehicle drove 20 feet with the victim beneath the car. “What was suggested in the DMV letter is troubling.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Teamsters Western Region International Vice President Peter Finn called the DMV’s decision “a step in the right direction,” but that it’s “too little too late.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Regulatory bodies should have enough foresight and operational savvy to know that the responsible thing to do is to make sure that automated driving systems are safe before they are introduced to the general public — not after they are introduced, and certainly not after driverless cars have caused traffic jams, injuries, and obstructions to first responders,” Finn said in a press release.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Teamsters have protested efforts by Cruise to expand driverless vehicles in California, citing labor and safety concerns. The group supported Assembly Bill 316, which would have required human operators in cars and trucks weighing more than 10,000 pounds and easily passed in both houses of the Legislature. Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assemblymember Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, said he’s taken a Cruise ride and found it to feel safe but supports the DMV’s decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">I applaud \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/CA_DMV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@CA_DMV\u003c/a> for their oversight role in making sure San Franciscans are safe on our streets. I took my 1st \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Cruise?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@Cruise\u003c/a> ride last week & found it to be safe/cautious. I’ll continue to monitor the situation to ensure safety is prioritized before the company’s cars may return. \u003ca href=\"https://t.co/DCExNWRnOc\">pic.twitter.com/DCExNWRnOc\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— Phil Ting (@PhilTing) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/PhilTing/status/1716865643843367286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 24, 2023\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a developing story and will be updated. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated to add the California Public Utilities Commission’s suspension of Cruise’s permit to carry passengers. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11965443/california-dmv-pumps-the-brakes-on-cruise-driverless-taxis-in-san-francisco","authors":["11840","222"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_33009","news_17636","news_33010","news_27626","news_353","news_33392","news_20576"],"featImg":"news_11965447","label":"news"},"news_11959303":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11959303","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11959303","score":null,"sort":[1693246709000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"sf-activists-protest-immobilize-driverless-cars-with-traffic-cones","title":"SF Activists Protest, Immobilize Driverless Cars With Traffic Cones","publishDate":1693246709,"format":"standard","headTitle":"SF Activists Protest, Immobilize Driverless Cars With Traffic Cones | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>Two people dressed in dark colors and wearing masks dart into a busy street on a hill in San Francisco. One of them hauls a big orange traffic cone. They sprint toward a \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/08/10/1193272085/san-francisco-has-lots-of-self-driving-cars-theyre-driving-first-responders-nuts\">driverless car \u003c/a>and quickly set the cone on the hood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vehicle’s side lights burst on and start flashing orange. And then, it sits there immobile.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All right, looks good,” one of them says after making sure no one is inside. “Let’s get out of here.” They hop on e-bikes and pedal off.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All it takes to render the technology-packed self-driving car inoperable is a traffic cone. If all goes according to plan, it will stay there, frozen, until someone comes and removes it. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An anonymous activist group called Safe Street Rebel is responsible for this so-called coning incident and dozens of others over the past few months. The group’s goal is to incapacitate the driverless cars roaming San Francisco’s streets as a protest against the city being used \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11957833/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf\">as a testing ground for this emerging technology\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the past couple of years, driverless cars have become ubiquitous throughout San Francisco. It began with human safety drivers on board, who were there to make sure everything ran smoothly. And then, many cars started operating with no humans at all. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re mostly run by Cruise, which is owned by GM, and Waymo, which is owned by Google parent company Alphabet. Both companies have \u003ca href=\"https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-most-tech-forward-city-has-doubts-about-self-driving-cars-d6b098e0\">poured billions of dollars\u003c/a> into developing these autonomous vehicles. Neither Cruise nor Waymo responded to questions about why the cars can be disabled by traffic cones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waymo says it has a permit for 250 cars and it deploys about 100 at any given time. Cruise says it runs 100 in San Francisco during the day and 300 at night. The Department of Motor Vehicles made Cruise \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11958630/cruise-robotaxi-fleet-will-be-halved-after-2-crashes-in-san-francisco\">cut that number in half\u003c/a> after one of its cars collided with a firetruck last week. \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Street theater protests are nothing new in San Francisco\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Earlier this month, the California Public Utilities Commission voted 3-1 to let the two companies \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11957833/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf\">run their vehicles at all hours of the day\u003c/a> picking up passengers like taxis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The lead-up to the commission’s vote prompted the Safe Street Rebel group to start “coning,” as they call it. Members have long used street theater shenanigans to gain attention in their fight against cars and to promote public transportation. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Coning driverless cars fits in line with a long history of protests against the impact of the tech industry on San Francisco. Throughout the years, activists have \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/12/17/251960183/in-a-divided-san-francisco-private-tech-buses-drive-tension\">blockaded Google’s private commuter buses\u003c/a> from picking up employees in the city. And when scooter companies flooded the sidewalks with electric scooters, people \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnet.com/culture/the-mad-tale-of-the-electric-scooter-craze-with-bird-lime-and-spin-in-san-francisco/\">threw them into San Francisco Bay\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Then there was the burning of Lime scooters in front of a Google bus,” says Manissa Maharawal, an assistant professor at American University who has \u003ca href=\"https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/anti.12744\">studied these protests\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She points out that when tech companies test their products in the city, residents don’t have much say in those decisions: “There’s been various iterations of this where it’s like, ‘Oh, yep, let’s try that out in San Francisco again,’ with very little input from anyone who lives here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That gets to the crux of Safe Street Rebel’s protest. The group only agreed to speak to NPR if they could remain anonymous because it’s unclear if what they’re doing is legal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We thought that putting cones on these [driverless cars] was a funny image that could captivate people,” says one organizer. “One of these self-driving cars with billions of dollars of venture capital investment money and R&D, just being disabled by a common traffic cone.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>First responders aren’t happy with driverless cars\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Safe Street Rebel has \u003ca href=\"https://www.safestreetrebel.com/conesf/\">cataloged hundreds of near misses and blunders\u003c/a> with Cruise and Waymo vehicles over the past few months — even without traffic cones. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The cars have \u003ca href=\"https://sfstandard.com/2023/07/12/watch-san-francisco-cruise-robotaxi-appears-to-almost-get-hit-by-bus/\">run red lights\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/cruise_032323-pdf/\">rear-ended a bus\u003c/a> and blocked crosswalks and bike paths. In one incident, dozens of confused cars \u003ca href=\"https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/dead-end-sf-street-plagued-with-confused-waymo-cars-trying-to-turn-around-every-5-minutes/\">congregated in a residential cul-de-sac\u003c/a>, clogging the street. In another, a Waymo \u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/06/a-waymo-self-driving-car-killed-a-dog-in-unavoidable-accident/\">ran over and killed a dog\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t really need traffic cones to show how vulnerable they are,” says the Safe Street Rebel organizer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Cruise and Waymo say their vehicles are far safer than human drivers and compared to humans they’ve had relatively\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>few incidents. They say they’ve driven millions of driverless miles without any human fatalities or life-threatening injuries. An Uber self-driving car, operating in full autonomous mode and with a safety driver in the vehicle, \u003ca href=\"https://www.wired.com/story/uber-self-driving-car-fatal-crash/\">killed a pedestrian in Arizona\u003c/a> in 2018.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Safe Street Rebel isn’t the only group that’s had issues with the autonomous vehicles. San Francisco’s police and fire departments have also said the cars \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/08/10/1193272085/san-francisco-has-lots-of-self-driving-cars-theyre-driving-first-responders-nuts\">aren’t yet ready for public roads\u003c/a>. They’ve \u003ca href=\"https://missionlocal.org/2023/08/cruise-waymo-autonomous-vehicle-robot-taxi-driverless-car-reports-san-francisco/\">tallied 55 incidents where self-driving cars have gotten in the way of rescue operations\u003c/a> in just the past six months. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those incidents include driving through yellow emergency tape, blocking firehouse driveways, \u003ca href=\"https://missionlocal.org/2023/05/waymo-cruise-fire-department-police-san-francisco/\">running over fire hoses\u003c/a> and refusing to move for first responders. \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Autonomous vehicles are programmed to be overly conservative\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Ziwen Wan, a Ph.D. candidate in computer science at University of California, Irvine, has \u003ca href=\"https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/autonomous-vehicles-can-be-tricked-dangerous-driving-behavior\">studied why driverless cars may be acting this way\u003c/a>. He used open source data for his research, so his findings aren’t based specifically on Cruise and Waymo. Wan found that ordinary objects on the road can lead to dangerous driving behavior. Part of this, he says, is because the cars are programmed to be overly conservative. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The software can make the autonomous vehicle behave as conservatively as possible because a safety violation would be very serious,” Wan says. “But this may lead to concerns on the other side, like in some cases, even though it’s safe it will fail to drive normally.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That abnormal driving includes abrupt halts, swerves, erratic behavior or just stopping in the middle of the road. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The traffic cone protest is an example of how things in the real world can really confound machines, even ones as sophisticated and finely tuned as this,” says Margaret O’Mara, a history professor at the University of Washington who \u003ca href=\"https://www.margaretomara.com/\">studies the tech industry\u003c/a>. “It’s a reminder that in this very high-tech world, the most low-tech things can literally put a wrench in the machine.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the bumps in the road, both Waymo and Cruise are rapidly expanding their robo-taxi programs throughout the U.S. Waymo is already giving rides in Phoenix and is testing with human safety drivers in Los Angeles and Austin. And Cruise is offering rides in Phoenix and Austin and testing in Dallas, Houston, Miami, Nashville and Charlotte.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, in San Francisco, members of Safe Street Rebel continue to go out at night and stalk the vehicles one cone at a time. \u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2023 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Armed+with+traffic+cones%2C+protesters+are+immobilizing+driverless+cars&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Self-driving cars have flooded San Francisco's streets, and not everyone is happy. Street activists have been using a low-tech solution to incapacitate the vehicles.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1693249840,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":29,"wordCount":1230},"headData":{"title":"SF Activists Protest, Immobilize Driverless Cars With Traffic Cones | KQED","description":"Self-driving cars have flooded San Francisco's streets, and not everyone is happy. 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One of them hauls a big orange traffic cone. They sprint toward a \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/08/10/1193272085/san-francisco-has-lots-of-self-driving-cars-theyre-driving-first-responders-nuts\">driverless car \u003c/a>and quickly set the cone on the hood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vehicle’s side lights burst on and start flashing orange. And then, it sits there immobile.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All right, looks good,” one of them says after making sure no one is inside. “Let’s get out of here.” They hop on e-bikes and pedal off.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All it takes to render the technology-packed self-driving car inoperable is a traffic cone. If all goes according to plan, it will stay there, frozen, until someone comes and removes it. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An anonymous activist group called Safe Street Rebel is responsible for this so-called coning incident and dozens of others over the past few months. The group’s goal is to incapacitate the driverless cars roaming San Francisco’s streets as a protest against the city being used \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11957833/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf\">as a testing ground for this emerging technology\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the past couple of years, driverless cars have become ubiquitous throughout San Francisco. It began with human safety drivers on board, who were there to make sure everything ran smoothly. And then, many cars started operating with no humans at all. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re mostly run by Cruise, which is owned by GM, and Waymo, which is owned by Google parent company Alphabet. Both companies have \u003ca href=\"https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-most-tech-forward-city-has-doubts-about-self-driving-cars-d6b098e0\">poured billions of dollars\u003c/a> into developing these autonomous vehicles. Neither Cruise nor Waymo responded to questions about why the cars can be disabled by traffic cones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waymo says it has a permit for 250 cars and it deploys about 100 at any given time. Cruise says it runs 100 in San Francisco during the day and 300 at night. The Department of Motor Vehicles made Cruise \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11958630/cruise-robotaxi-fleet-will-be-halved-after-2-crashes-in-san-francisco\">cut that number in half\u003c/a> after one of its cars collided with a firetruck last week. \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Street theater protests are nothing new in San Francisco\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Earlier this month, the California Public Utilities Commission voted 3-1 to let the two companies \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11957833/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf\">run their vehicles at all hours of the day\u003c/a> picking up passengers like taxis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The lead-up to the commission’s vote prompted the Safe Street Rebel group to start “coning,” as they call it. Members have long used street theater shenanigans to gain attention in their fight against cars and to promote public transportation. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Coning driverless cars fits in line with a long history of protests against the impact of the tech industry on San Francisco. Throughout the years, activists have \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/12/17/251960183/in-a-divided-san-francisco-private-tech-buses-drive-tension\">blockaded Google’s private commuter buses\u003c/a> from picking up employees in the city. And when scooter companies flooded the sidewalks with electric scooters, people \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnet.com/culture/the-mad-tale-of-the-electric-scooter-craze-with-bird-lime-and-spin-in-san-francisco/\">threw them into San Francisco Bay\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Then there was the burning of Lime scooters in front of a Google bus,” says Manissa Maharawal, an assistant professor at American University who has \u003ca href=\"https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/anti.12744\">studied these protests\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She points out that when tech companies test their products in the city, residents don’t have much say in those decisions: “There’s been various iterations of this where it’s like, ‘Oh, yep, let’s try that out in San Francisco again,’ with very little input from anyone who lives here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That gets to the crux of Safe Street Rebel’s protest. The group only agreed to speak to NPR if they could remain anonymous because it’s unclear if what they’re doing is legal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We thought that putting cones on these [driverless cars] was a funny image that could captivate people,” says one organizer. “One of these self-driving cars with billions of dollars of venture capital investment money and R&D, just being disabled by a common traffic cone.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>First responders aren’t happy with driverless cars\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Safe Street Rebel has \u003ca href=\"https://www.safestreetrebel.com/conesf/\">cataloged hundreds of near misses and blunders\u003c/a> with Cruise and Waymo vehicles over the past few months — even without traffic cones. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The cars have \u003ca href=\"https://sfstandard.com/2023/07/12/watch-san-francisco-cruise-robotaxi-appears-to-almost-get-hit-by-bus/\">run red lights\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/cruise_032323-pdf/\">rear-ended a bus\u003c/a> and blocked crosswalks and bike paths. In one incident, dozens of confused cars \u003ca href=\"https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/dead-end-sf-street-plagued-with-confused-waymo-cars-trying-to-turn-around-every-5-minutes/\">congregated in a residential cul-de-sac\u003c/a>, clogging the street. In another, a Waymo \u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/06/a-waymo-self-driving-car-killed-a-dog-in-unavoidable-accident/\">ran over and killed a dog\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t really need traffic cones to show how vulnerable they are,” says the Safe Street Rebel organizer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Cruise and Waymo say their vehicles are far safer than human drivers and compared to humans they’ve had relatively\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>few incidents. They say they’ve driven millions of driverless miles without any human fatalities or life-threatening injuries. An Uber self-driving car, operating in full autonomous mode and with a safety driver in the vehicle, \u003ca href=\"https://www.wired.com/story/uber-self-driving-car-fatal-crash/\">killed a pedestrian in Arizona\u003c/a> in 2018.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Safe Street Rebel isn’t the only group that’s had issues with the autonomous vehicles. San Francisco’s police and fire departments have also said the cars \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/08/10/1193272085/san-francisco-has-lots-of-self-driving-cars-theyre-driving-first-responders-nuts\">aren’t yet ready for public roads\u003c/a>. They’ve \u003ca href=\"https://missionlocal.org/2023/08/cruise-waymo-autonomous-vehicle-robot-taxi-driverless-car-reports-san-francisco/\">tallied 55 incidents where self-driving cars have gotten in the way of rescue operations\u003c/a> in just the past six months. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those incidents include driving through yellow emergency tape, blocking firehouse driveways, \u003ca href=\"https://missionlocal.org/2023/05/waymo-cruise-fire-department-police-san-francisco/\">running over fire hoses\u003c/a> and refusing to move for first responders. \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Autonomous vehicles are programmed to be overly conservative\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Ziwen Wan, a Ph.D. candidate in computer science at University of California, Irvine, has \u003ca href=\"https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/autonomous-vehicles-can-be-tricked-dangerous-driving-behavior\">studied why driverless cars may be acting this way\u003c/a>. He used open source data for his research, so his findings aren’t based specifically on Cruise and Waymo. Wan found that ordinary objects on the road can lead to dangerous driving behavior. Part of this, he says, is because the cars are programmed to be overly conservative. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The software can make the autonomous vehicle behave as conservatively as possible because a safety violation would be very serious,” Wan says. “But this may lead to concerns on the other side, like in some cases, even though it’s safe it will fail to drive normally.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That abnormal driving includes abrupt halts, swerves, erratic behavior or just stopping in the middle of the road. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The traffic cone protest is an example of how things in the real world can really confound machines, even ones as sophisticated and finely tuned as this,” says Margaret O’Mara, a history professor at the University of Washington who \u003ca href=\"https://www.margaretomara.com/\">studies the tech industry\u003c/a>. “It’s a reminder that in this very high-tech world, the most low-tech things can literally put a wrench in the machine.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the bumps in the road, both Waymo and Cruise are rapidly expanding their robo-taxi programs throughout the U.S. Waymo is already giving rides in Phoenix and is testing with human safety drivers in Los Angeles and Austin. And Cruise is offering rides in Phoenix and Austin and testing in Dallas, Houston, Miami, Nashville and Charlotte.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, in San Francisco, members of Safe Street Rebel continue to go out at night and stalk the vehicles one cone at a time. \u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2023 NPR. 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And people on both sides have strong feelings about it. Ida Mojadad from the San Francisco Standard breaks it all down for us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC7090345903\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, And welcome to The Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Over the weekend, some self-driving cars, a.k.a. autonomous vehicles, a.k.a. robo taxis, got themselves into another little pickle in San Francisco’s North Beach neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Unidentified: \u003c/strong>What the f•ck They’re–\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Several of these self-driving cars were just chillin in the middle of the road. Blinkers on blocking all kinds of traffic, apparently because of connectivity issues caused by the Outside Lands Music Festival. And the thing is, people have feelings about whether these self-driving cars are safer than human drivers. And whatever happens, there’s no doubt that we’re going to continue hearing about these things because California regulators just gave the go ahead for companies to put an unlimited number of these robo taxis on the roads in San Francisco. Today, the debate over self-driving cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong> So, I pass by a cruise fleet every single day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Ida Mojadad: is a reporter for the San Francisco Standard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>I see it on my way home. On the way to work. Everywhere in between. They’re everywhere, really. But it’s still just a very weird sight, even though they’ve been pretty dominant on the streets this whole year. It’s still new and weird.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I think I probably fall in that weirded out bucket. But I mean, how long have people been talking about these robo taxis? How long have they been like, I guess, driving around San Francisco at this point?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So the two that are in San Francisco, Cruise and Waymo have been able to operate and test driverless in the city since about last summer, but they have been really noticeable this whole year, especially in the spring. As you know, certain conflicts have emerged and more people have been able to take them. They have a waitlist for them, but they have tested trusted passengers. So as more people have been able to take them and and there’s just been more run ins with them, they’ve been really noticeable this whole year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And you mentioned Cruise and Waymo, these two big companies behind these driverless vehicles. Can you tell me about those companies? I know I know this idea has been a techie dream for a while.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Sure. So Cruise is owned by General Motors and Waymo is run by Google’s parent company known as Alphabet. A lot of companies have invested in this technology. Billions have been poured into it, but these are the two that are currently in San Francisco and now able to carry people without a driver.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, what is with these companies obsession with driverless cars? Like why are they putting so much effort into expanding these fleets?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>I think essentially they see it’s the way of the future. They are very enthusiastic about how transformative it can be for people. Their frequent, you know, arguments for it is that it can provide safer streets because they they say that they drive safer than humans and that they have an electric fleet. So it will help reduce emissions. But essentially, they see it as being the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>We see San Francisco as a litmus test for the commercialization of Robotaxis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>News anchor: is the CEO of Cruise and he’s been pretty vocal and active about his company and shared excitement to to expand not just in San Francisco but cities across the country and to do a quick and aggressively.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>You know, the rate of expansion has been pretty impressive. And this is not because we’re going just just going wild here. It’s actually because the system itself is improving so quickly. And so even just a couple of weeks ago on the GM earnings call, I said we were at about 10,000 rides per week. This last week it was 15,000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>A lot of people have been talking about these driverless cars. They’ve been on the roads in San Francisco. What have they been allowed to do up until now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So Waymo has been able to drive around with these cars for all hours of the day. And Cruise has been able to do during certain hours, mostly at night. But both of them essentially have not been able to charge people without a safety driver present. And that was the biggest hurdle to, you know, expanding their their business operations, essentially. Prior to the vote, Waymo had 250 vehicles in the city with about 100 in operation. Crews has about 400 with 300 operating at night as of last week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, I know a really important commission just made a huge decision about expanding these fleets in San Francisco. Can you remind us what the you see is and what was that meeting about exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>The California Public Utilities Commission is, in this case tasked with weighing passenger safety in these autonomous vehicles known as robo taxis. And they already approved these, you know, initial permits that allow them to operate on the streets. And now they have just made a big decision to let them operate and charge people, saying that they met the requirements that were asked of them in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I know that there were people who are both for and against these robotaxis at this California Public Utilities Commission meeting. I know these companies, of course, are huge proponents of these, but who else was coming out in favor of robo taxis?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So some big supporters are some street safety advocates, but also a lot of groups that advocate for blind people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Activist: \u003c/strong>As a blind woman, I am here fully to support autonomous technology.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>They seem to be very enthusiastic about it. They have already been, you know, in talks with these companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Activist: \u003c/strong>Not only has being a Waymo tested rider provided me with a level of independence that I have never been able to experience before. It has provided me with a feeling of safety that I’ve never had before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Not all disability advocates agree, but they seem to be the most enthusiastic about this. And then there’s also a union, SEIU, that was also in favor of this, because they have been assured by one of the companies that they will be union jobs and their members need jobs right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>SEIU Spokesperson \u003c/strong>We already represent workers within cruise spaces. Cruise is one of the few tech companies in San Francisco that is celebrating the fact that they want to stay in San Francisco and operate in San Francisco. And right now, we need to be able to celebrate those opportunities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>There’s also this group Safer Roads for All, which is actually affiliated with the companies. What? What’s their deal? Who are they?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>They are more of a campaign that brings together tech industry groups. But Waymo is a the only actual company behind that. So these tech industry groups are advocating to let this technology move on. And, you know, the groups behind these have, you know, been advocating for anything from just general tech industry things to specifically autonomous vehicles. But essentially, they are tech groups.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>How would you maybe summarize what it is that people like about these robo taxis?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>In essence, I think it’s the convenience of being able to get from point A to point B.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>Autonomous vehicles represent a route to safer roads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Without driving themselves, without dealing with parking and without having a person in the vehicle. Maybe there’s more privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Advocate: \u003c/strong>As a woman who frequently needs to take rideshare or public transportation on a regular basis, and especially during evening hours, I feel much safer knowing that I’m writing, in a judgment free discrimination, free beer free vehicle rather than one that you nervously navigate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>There’s a novelty. And until last week, they had to be free when there was no driver.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>I encourage the panel to please embrace this technology that our city and region have long been renowned for. Thank you for your time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So, I mean, there’s been a lot of excitement I know, around these, but there have also been some really strong feelings about them, too. Who is coming out against these robo taxis?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>The most vocal opponents of a large expansion of these vehicles are essentially human drivers, those who drive Uber and Lyft and taxi cabs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Driver: \u003c/strong>[SPANISH]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Translator: \u003c/strong>I’m raising five children, if the driverless cars expand, they’re going to take away the work from us. And I have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>As well as some disability advocates who feel like this really just isn’t ready for them. People with more like physical disabilities, they’re in a wheelchair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Activist: \u003c/strong>It’s an issue that we we don’t yet have an agreement on what accessibility looks like. How do folks like myself who are full time wheelchair users enter and use and exit these vehicles safely?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>City officials from departments of for first responders, transportation agencies and you know Mayor London breed the Board of supervisors President Aaron Peskin are really not for an immediate big expansion. They’re urging more of an incremental approach, but there’s also not a lot that they can do to to stop that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I know there’s also a lot of safety concerns from firefighters and also police and also first responders. Can you describe some of those incidents for us?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>Now to an autonomous car that got stuck for hours today on San Francisco Street. This is the latest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So the fire department has tallied over 50 incidents this year where they have been blocked from doing their job because one of these vehicles, you know, stopped, maybe has overreacted and just didn’t want to run into anything. It’s hard to say exactly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: : \u003c/strong>Firefighters describe driverless cars rolling into fire scenes, running over hoses, even having to break windshields to stop a vehicle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>It’s meant that sometimes these firefighters, while they’re, you know, trying to respond to a fire, are stuck babysitting a robotaxi for a roughly half an hour, which is not what the robotaxi companies themselves say happens. But it’s it’s been noticeable enough to interfere with their jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Jeanine Nicholson: \u003c/strong>I’m not it’s high technology. What I am is part of safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>The San Francisco Fire Department chief is Jeanine Nicholson, and she has been pretty vocal that it’s not their job to babysit these cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Jeanine Nicholson: \u003c/strong>Every second can make the difference if you are blocked by an autonomous vehicle. A fire will double in size. And even if that could lead to more and to the people in that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>It is the job of these companies to stay out of their way and train their cars to stay out of their way, and that the training that first responders have received so far from the companies they say doesn’t match what’s actually happening on the ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Jeanine Nicholson: \u003c/strong>But what would have really helped would have been a two way conversation seven years ago. It’s been a one way conversation up until very recently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>And ultimately, she feels that the transparency has been lacking, the collaboration has been lacking, and that it just overall needs to stop interfering with doing the business of saving lives and people’s homes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Jeanine Nicholson: \u003c/strong>It’s the unpredictability, the obstructions and the lack of working with us is really that it is really a problem. They are still not ready for prime time because of how they have impacted our operations. And and, you know.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I feel like I also have to ask you about the cones that are being put on these robo taxis sort of as a form of protest. What are those about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So over the summer, it was another noticeable aspect of these cars is that it has been that there’s been some activists who were placing cones on them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: : \u003c/strong>Marking autonomous vehicles as traffic hazards. The group Safe Street Rebels is placing cones on cruise and Waymo cars as a way to temporarily stop that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>You know, would basically make them not go anywhere and have to be retrieved by the companies. You know, there’s even been some like reports that a firefighter has done that to to to prevent them from interfering further. But the city does not condone it. And it’s it’s just the most visible sign of resistance to this technology and some of the havoc that people say it’s been bringing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>In terms of what’s next. I do want to ask you about the commission vote. I know they ultimately approved this new permit for robo taxis. Can you explain how they came to that vote?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So Commissioner Genevieve Sharma was one of the four commissioners who was urging caution, saying they’re not ready for prime time as well, and that they just need more time to really understand the data to from these companies and from the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Unidentified: \u003c/strong>Because of this insufficient record. I believe it is premature to vote to approve these resolutions today. Instead, the resolution should be held or withdrawn so that crews and Waymo have the additional time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>The other three commissioners voted in favor for saying that they met the requirements that were asked of them, that they can always add more restrictions later. And one of the commissioners, Commissioner John Reynolds, was a little bit more enthusiastic about them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>John Reynolds \u003c/strong>Today is the first of many steps in bringing transportation services to Californians and setting a successful and transparent model for other states to follow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>He actually used to be general counsel for Cruise, but didn’t have to recuse himself because enough time had passed. Commissioner Reynolds said that, you know, he’s able to advocate for both, you know, the people of California and can see what this technology does, essentially.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Unidentified: \u003c/strong>Commissioner John Reynolds. Yes. Mr. Houck? Yes. Commissioner Sherman. No as. Alice Reynolds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Advocate: \u003c/strong>Yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Unknown: \u003c/strong>The vote is three one, tthe item passes. All right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I will now. Well, you mentioned this means there’s going to be a huge expansion of these fleets in San Francisco. But I mean, I definitely have not seen one of these robot taxis where I live in Vallejo. But, I mean, with this vote, does that mean that we could see them possibly expand to other cities?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>This vote is specific to San Francisco, but there are many other companies that are doing testing in the Bay Area, both on the peninsula and other places. So people in Nevada Bay Area will probably see these around as more companies continue to test and seek more approvals. Waymo and Cruise are going to be more dominant in the city itself, but everyone’s going to be seeing them more in the future, that’s for sure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, I mean, I that this for some reason feels like such a San Francisco story. What do you think this debate says about where San Francisco is at right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Well, San Francisco is kind of once again the testing ground for a lot of this emerging technology. We saw with Uber and Lyft. That was our biggest example. And this time, city officials are really not wanting to be the guinea pigs. But for other people, it’s really exciting to be the first ones to do this and to see this, you know, get the first access to a glimpse into the future, a little bit of the Jetsons people compared to. So there’s kind of this split and excitement and trepidation about where this leaves the city. But once again, the city is seeing it before many others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Ida, thank you so much for joining us on the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Ida Mojadad, a reporter for the San Francisco Standard. This 28 minute conversation with Ida was cut down and edited by producer Maria Esquinca. It was pitched by senior editor Alan Motecillo, who added all the tape. This episode was scored by me. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevara. The Bay is a production of member supported KQED in San Francisco. Thank you so much for listening to next time.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"San Franciscans can expect to see more driverless cars on the road.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700689191,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":8,"wordCount":3049},"headData":{"title":"Get Ready For More Robotaxis in S.F. | KQED","description":"San Franciscans can expect to see more driverless cars on the road.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Get Ready For More Robotaxis in S.F.","datePublished":"2023-08-16T10:00:05.000Z","dateModified":"2023-11-22T21:39:51.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"source":"The Bay","sourceUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/podcasts/thebay","audioUrl":"https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/chrt.fm/track/G6C7C3/traffic.megaphone.fm/KQINC7090345903.mp3?updated=1692135433","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11958271/san-franciscos-robo-taxi-revolution","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">View the full episode transcript.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This episode contains explicit language.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Franciscans can expect to see more driverless cars on the road after California regulators approved a permit to allow Waymo and Cruise to charge fares.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once again, the city is the testing ground for new technology. And people on both sides have strong feelings about it. Ida Mojadad from the San Francisco Standard breaks it all down for us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC7090345903\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, And welcome to The Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Over the weekend, some self-driving cars, a.k.a. autonomous vehicles, a.k.a. robo taxis, got themselves into another little pickle in San Francisco’s North Beach neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Unidentified: \u003c/strong>What the f•ck They’re–\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Several of these self-driving cars were just chillin in the middle of the road. Blinkers on blocking all kinds of traffic, apparently because of connectivity issues caused by the Outside Lands Music Festival. And the thing is, people have feelings about whether these self-driving cars are safer than human drivers. And whatever happens, there’s no doubt that we’re going to continue hearing about these things because California regulators just gave the go ahead for companies to put an unlimited number of these robo taxis on the roads in San Francisco. Today, the debate over self-driving cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong> So, I pass by a cruise fleet every single day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Ida Mojadad: is a reporter for the San Francisco Standard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>I see it on my way home. On the way to work. Everywhere in between. They’re everywhere, really. But it’s still just a very weird sight, even though they’ve been pretty dominant on the streets this whole year. It’s still new and weird.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I think I probably fall in that weirded out bucket. But I mean, how long have people been talking about these robo taxis? How long have they been like, I guess, driving around San Francisco at this point?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So the two that are in San Francisco, Cruise and Waymo have been able to operate and test driverless in the city since about last summer, but they have been really noticeable this whole year, especially in the spring. As you know, certain conflicts have emerged and more people have been able to take them. They have a waitlist for them, but they have tested trusted passengers. So as more people have been able to take them and and there’s just been more run ins with them, they’ve been really noticeable this whole year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And you mentioned Cruise and Waymo, these two big companies behind these driverless vehicles. Can you tell me about those companies? I know I know this idea has been a techie dream for a while.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Sure. So Cruise is owned by General Motors and Waymo is run by Google’s parent company known as Alphabet. A lot of companies have invested in this technology. Billions have been poured into it, but these are the two that are currently in San Francisco and now able to carry people without a driver.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, what is with these companies obsession with driverless cars? Like why are they putting so much effort into expanding these fleets?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>I think essentially they see it’s the way of the future. They are very enthusiastic about how transformative it can be for people. Their frequent, you know, arguments for it is that it can provide safer streets because they they say that they drive safer than humans and that they have an electric fleet. So it will help reduce emissions. But essentially, they see it as being the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>We see San Francisco as a litmus test for the commercialization of Robotaxis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>News anchor: is the CEO of Cruise and he’s been pretty vocal and active about his company and shared excitement to to expand not just in San Francisco but cities across the country and to do a quick and aggressively.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>You know, the rate of expansion has been pretty impressive. And this is not because we’re going just just going wild here. It’s actually because the system itself is improving so quickly. And so even just a couple of weeks ago on the GM earnings call, I said we were at about 10,000 rides per week. This last week it was 15,000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>A lot of people have been talking about these driverless cars. They’ve been on the roads in San Francisco. What have they been allowed to do up until now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So Waymo has been able to drive around with these cars for all hours of the day. And Cruise has been able to do during certain hours, mostly at night. But both of them essentially have not been able to charge people without a safety driver present. And that was the biggest hurdle to, you know, expanding their their business operations, essentially. Prior to the vote, Waymo had 250 vehicles in the city with about 100 in operation. Crews has about 400 with 300 operating at night as of last week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, I know a really important commission just made a huge decision about expanding these fleets in San Francisco. Can you remind us what the you see is and what was that meeting about exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>The California Public Utilities Commission is, in this case tasked with weighing passenger safety in these autonomous vehicles known as robo taxis. And they already approved these, you know, initial permits that allow them to operate on the streets. And now they have just made a big decision to let them operate and charge people, saying that they met the requirements that were asked of them in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I know that there were people who are both for and against these robotaxis at this California Public Utilities Commission meeting. I know these companies, of course, are huge proponents of these, but who else was coming out in favor of robo taxis?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So some big supporters are some street safety advocates, but also a lot of groups that advocate for blind people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Activist: \u003c/strong>As a blind woman, I am here fully to support autonomous technology.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>They seem to be very enthusiastic about it. They have already been, you know, in talks with these companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Activist: \u003c/strong>Not only has being a Waymo tested rider provided me with a level of independence that I have never been able to experience before. It has provided me with a feeling of safety that I’ve never had before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Not all disability advocates agree, but they seem to be the most enthusiastic about this. And then there’s also a union, SEIU, that was also in favor of this, because they have been assured by one of the companies that they will be union jobs and their members need jobs right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>SEIU Spokesperson \u003c/strong>We already represent workers within cruise spaces. Cruise is one of the few tech companies in San Francisco that is celebrating the fact that they want to stay in San Francisco and operate in San Francisco. And right now, we need to be able to celebrate those opportunities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>There’s also this group Safer Roads for All, which is actually affiliated with the companies. What? What’s their deal? Who are they?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>They are more of a campaign that brings together tech industry groups. But Waymo is a the only actual company behind that. So these tech industry groups are advocating to let this technology move on. And, you know, the groups behind these have, you know, been advocating for anything from just general tech industry things to specifically autonomous vehicles. But essentially, they are tech groups.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>How would you maybe summarize what it is that people like about these robo taxis?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>In essence, I think it’s the convenience of being able to get from point A to point B.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>Autonomous vehicles represent a route to safer roads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Without driving themselves, without dealing with parking and without having a person in the vehicle. Maybe there’s more privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Advocate: \u003c/strong>As a woman who frequently needs to take rideshare or public transportation on a regular basis, and especially during evening hours, I feel much safer knowing that I’m writing, in a judgment free discrimination, free beer free vehicle rather than one that you nervously navigate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>There’s a novelty. And until last week, they had to be free when there was no driver.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>I encourage the panel to please embrace this technology that our city and region have long been renowned for. Thank you for your time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So, I mean, there’s been a lot of excitement I know, around these, but there have also been some really strong feelings about them, too. Who is coming out against these robo taxis?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>The most vocal opponents of a large expansion of these vehicles are essentially human drivers, those who drive Uber and Lyft and taxi cabs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Driver: \u003c/strong>[SPANISH]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Translator: \u003c/strong>I’m raising five children, if the driverless cars expand, they’re going to take away the work from us. And I have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>As well as some disability advocates who feel like this really just isn’t ready for them. People with more like physical disabilities, they’re in a wheelchair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Activist: \u003c/strong>It’s an issue that we we don’t yet have an agreement on what accessibility looks like. How do folks like myself who are full time wheelchair users enter and use and exit these vehicles safely?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>City officials from departments of for first responders, transportation agencies and you know Mayor London breed the Board of supervisors President Aaron Peskin are really not for an immediate big expansion. They’re urging more of an incremental approach, but there’s also not a lot that they can do to to stop that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I know there’s also a lot of safety concerns from firefighters and also police and also first responders. Can you describe some of those incidents for us?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: \u003c/strong>Now to an autonomous car that got stuck for hours today on San Francisco Street. This is the latest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So the fire department has tallied over 50 incidents this year where they have been blocked from doing their job because one of these vehicles, you know, stopped, maybe has overreacted and just didn’t want to run into anything. It’s hard to say exactly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: : \u003c/strong>Firefighters describe driverless cars rolling into fire scenes, running over hoses, even having to break windshields to stop a vehicle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>It’s meant that sometimes these firefighters, while they’re, you know, trying to respond to a fire, are stuck babysitting a robotaxi for a roughly half an hour, which is not what the robotaxi companies themselves say happens. But it’s it’s been noticeable enough to interfere with their jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Jeanine Nicholson: \u003c/strong>I’m not it’s high technology. What I am is part of safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>The San Francisco Fire Department chief is Jeanine Nicholson, and she has been pretty vocal that it’s not their job to babysit these cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Jeanine Nicholson: \u003c/strong>Every second can make the difference if you are blocked by an autonomous vehicle. A fire will double in size. And even if that could lead to more and to the people in that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>It is the job of these companies to stay out of their way and train their cars to stay out of their way, and that the training that first responders have received so far from the companies they say doesn’t match what’s actually happening on the ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Jeanine Nicholson: \u003c/strong>But what would have really helped would have been a two way conversation seven years ago. It’s been a one way conversation up until very recently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>And ultimately, she feels that the transparency has been lacking, the collaboration has been lacking, and that it just overall needs to stop interfering with doing the business of saving lives and people’s homes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Jeanine Nicholson: \u003c/strong>It’s the unpredictability, the obstructions and the lack of working with us is really that it is really a problem. They are still not ready for prime time because of how they have impacted our operations. And and, you know.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I feel like I also have to ask you about the cones that are being put on these robo taxis sort of as a form of protest. What are those about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So over the summer, it was another noticeable aspect of these cars is that it has been that there’s been some activists who were placing cones on them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>News anchor: : \u003c/strong>Marking autonomous vehicles as traffic hazards. The group Safe Street Rebels is placing cones on cruise and Waymo cars as a way to temporarily stop that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>You know, would basically make them not go anywhere and have to be retrieved by the companies. You know, there’s even been some like reports that a firefighter has done that to to to prevent them from interfering further. But the city does not condone it. And it’s it’s just the most visible sign of resistance to this technology and some of the havoc that people say it’s been bringing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>In terms of what’s next. I do want to ask you about the commission vote. I know they ultimately approved this new permit for robo taxis. Can you explain how they came to that vote?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>So Commissioner Genevieve Sharma was one of the four commissioners who was urging caution, saying they’re not ready for prime time as well, and that they just need more time to really understand the data to from these companies and from the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Unidentified: \u003c/strong>Because of this insufficient record. I believe it is premature to vote to approve these resolutions today. Instead, the resolution should be held or withdrawn so that crews and Waymo have the additional time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>The other three commissioners voted in favor for saying that they met the requirements that were asked of them, that they can always add more restrictions later. And one of the commissioners, Commissioner John Reynolds, was a little bit more enthusiastic about them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>John Reynolds \u003c/strong>Today is the first of many steps in bringing transportation services to Californians and setting a successful and transparent model for other states to follow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>He actually used to be general counsel for Cruise, but didn’t have to recuse himself because enough time had passed. Commissioner Reynolds said that, you know, he’s able to advocate for both, you know, the people of California and can see what this technology does, essentially.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Unidentified: \u003c/strong>Commissioner John Reynolds. Yes. Mr. Houck? Yes. Commissioner Sherman. No as. Alice Reynolds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Advocate: \u003c/strong>Yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Unknown: \u003c/strong>The vote is three one, tthe item passes. All right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I will now. Well, you mentioned this means there’s going to be a huge expansion of these fleets in San Francisco. But I mean, I definitely have not seen one of these robot taxis where I live in Vallejo. But, I mean, with this vote, does that mean that we could see them possibly expand to other cities?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>This vote is specific to San Francisco, but there are many other companies that are doing testing in the Bay Area, both on the peninsula and other places. So people in Nevada Bay Area will probably see these around as more companies continue to test and seek more approvals. Waymo and Cruise are going to be more dominant in the city itself, but everyone’s going to be seeing them more in the future, that’s for sure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, I mean, I that this for some reason feels like such a San Francisco story. What do you think this debate says about where San Francisco is at right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Well, San Francisco is kind of once again the testing ground for a lot of this emerging technology. We saw with Uber and Lyft. That was our biggest example. And this time, city officials are really not wanting to be the guinea pigs. But for other people, it’s really exciting to be the first ones to do this and to see this, you know, get the first access to a glimpse into the future, a little bit of the Jetsons people compared to. So there’s kind of this split and excitement and trepidation about where this leaves the city. But once again, the city is seeing it before many others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Ida, thank you so much for joining us on the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ida Mojadad: \u003c/strong>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Ida Mojadad, a reporter for the San Francisco Standard. This 28 minute conversation with Ida was cut down and edited by producer Maria Esquinca. It was pitched by senior editor Alan Motecillo, who added all the tape. This episode was scored by me. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevara. The Bay is a production of member supported KQED in San Francisco. Thank you so much for listening to next time.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11958271/san-franciscos-robo-taxi-revolution","authors":["8654","11802","11649"],"programs":["news_28779"],"categories":["news_8","news_33520"],"tags":["news_25184","news_24027","news_20291","news_93","news_22598","news_20576"],"featImg":"news_11958272","label":"source_news_11958271"},"news_11957833":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11957833","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11957833","score":null,"sort":[1691721906000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf","title":"Are You Ready for More Driverless Taxis? CPUC Votes to Let Cruise, Waymo Expand in SF","publishDate":1691721906,"format":"audio","headTitle":"Are You Ready for More Driverless Taxis? CPUC Votes to Let Cruise, Waymo Expand in SF | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 1:30 p.m. Friday: \u003c/strong>A San Francisco supervisor says city officials are considering ways to appeal Thursday night’s CPUC vote that gave the green light for unlimited commercial expansion of Cruise and Waymo’s autonomous vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The decision by state regulators followed months of protest by San Francisco officials, unions and civic groups. Supervisor Aaron Peskin says options include filing for a re-hearing, and engaging further with the DMV, state lawmakers and federal regulators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is the beginning. This is not the end,” Peskin said. “San Francisco is not going to shirk our responsibilities around fundamental life safety, public safety issues.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mayor London Breed’s office wrote KQED: “There remain challenges we need to work to resolve, especially when [autonomous vehicles] interfere with our first responders. We are … exploring our options for next steps.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 7:45 p.m. Thursday:\u003c/strong> The California Public Utilities Commission voted 3–1 Thursday evening to allow Cruise and Waymo robotaxis to charge fares in San Francisco where the DMV has already determined the vehicles are deployment ready.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mood was polite but charged over six-and-a-half hours of public testimony preceding the votes, as scores of people argued for and against.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These are private companies testing their private R&D on public roads,” said Lauren Renaud, a data analyst in San Francisco. “You are a regulatory agency. Please do your job and create regulation. I did not consent to be a beta tester.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think we should be championing this technology to help improve San Francisco’s infrastructure and not impede it,” said Nzechi Nwaokoro, a software engineer who said he grew up in the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following the vote, Waymo’s co-CEO wrote that the CPUC’s approval “marks the true beginning of our commercial operations in San Francisco.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cruise’s vice president of government affairs wrote that the company is now in a position to compete with traditional ride-hail companies, namely, Uber and Lyft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s unfortunate the commissioners looked at this issue very narrowly and departed from their own stated mission and values of ensuring public safety,” said Justin Kloczko, a tech and privacy advocate for Consumer Watchdog. “They are failing to regulate a dangerous, nascent industry. Los Angeles is next.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waymo has been operating fully autonomous test vehicles in Los Angeles \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/dmitri_dolgov/status/1630231987146608640?s=20\">since February\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Original story:\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nState regulators are \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/events-and-meetings/cpuc-voting-meeting-2023-08-10\">expected to vote\u003c/a> today on whether to give the green light to \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M516/K812/516812218.PDF\">Cruise (PDF)\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M516/K812/516812344.PDF\">Waymo (PDF)\u003c/a> to run an unlimited fleet of driverless robotaxis in San Francisco. If approved, the two companies would be able to charge for rides, at any hour of the day or night, throughout the city, and would be able to expand their fleets without limit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Department of Motor Vehicles gave its \u003ca href=\"https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/117199-2/\">approval\u003c/a> for commercial robotaxis back in September of 2021. And both GM-owned Cruise and Alphabet-owned Waymo already have autonomous vehicles, or AVs, roaming certain parts of the city for limited hours. But these driverless cars have also given rise to frustration and sometimes fear, documented in profusion on social media. Like this tweet, posted last Sunday:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/shaan_ca/status/1688226890170150912?s=20\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or this one, posted last Monday:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/alfsan/status/1688614136366714880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, in the most recent earnings conference call for shareholders, Cruise CEO and CTO Kyle Vogt described a rosy scenario approaching, when their multibillion dollar investments might finally break out onto the open road of profitability and any current issues would be resolved. In fact, he argues driverless robotaxis will ultimately be safer and more convenient than regular cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Safety continues to improve despite increasing complexity,” said Vogt two weeks ago. “Our analysis of the first 1 million miles shows AVs experienced 54% fewer collisions than human drivers in similar environments, and 92% fewer where the AV was the primary contributor. In other words, the vast majority of collisions are caused by inattentive human drivers, not the AV.” Vogt envisioned a day when people will find it more affordable to take robotaxis instead of owning cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two companies must now clear a final regulatory hurdle from the California Public Utilities Commission before taking on human-driven Uber and Lyft unobstructed in San Francisco. But the votes have been delayed twice, following concerns voiced by local first responders and law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are multiple documented cases of AVs rolling into emergency scenes, oblivious to human commands to stop. The vehicles also have a tendency to “brick,” or come to a complete stop when confused, regardless of location. (See tweets above.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11957839\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2023/08/10/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf/city-of-san-francisco/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-11957839\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11957839\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco.jpg\" alt=\"a slide from a presentation shows a bar graph going up on the left and a map on the right\" width=\"1000\" height=\"565\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco.jpg 1000w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco-800x452.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco-160x90.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screenshot from a CPUC meeting. \u003ccite>(SFFD, SFPD, SFMTA)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Local regulators have largely had to watch from the sidewalks, and they’ve been \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/08/2023.08.07_cpuc_status_conference_8.7.2023_final.pdf\">loud about their frustration (PDF)\u003c/a>. Jeffrey Tumlin, director of the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, says he’s bullish about the technology, but not the way company performance data is largely a black box to local officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The companies have mostly denied all of our data requests around performance,” he said. “So to the extent that we have data, it is largely from reporting that industry must do — at the federal level to NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), and at the state level to the California Public Utilities Commission and the DMV.” Tumlin claims the bulk of safety performance data San Francisco transit officials get is coming from calls to 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Dan Chatman, chair of UC Berkeley’s Department of City and Regional Planning, says the rollout of robotaxis is inevitable — and not just for San Francisco, or California. Three years ago, there were only test vehicles in a handful of places. Now, they prowl the streets of several large cities, including \u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/27/waymo-to-test-driverless-rides-with-employees-in-los-angeles/\">Los Angeles\u003c/a>, Phoenix, Austin and Miami. Cruise began offering the public a \u003ca href=\"https://getcruise.com/\">waitlist\u003c/a> for autonomous ride hailing in San Francisco in February of 2022. Waymo began \u003ca href=\"https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/\">offering rides\u003c/a> the following November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It isn’t completely transparent to me that, just because there are some well publicized issues with the vehicles, therefore, they should be shut down,” Chatman said. “The CPUC is in a position where it has to weigh the potential benefits and the costs, and I don’t envy them their task.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cruise is no longer a science project,” CEO Vogt said in that earnings call earlier this month. “There was once significant risk and reasons to doubt, but it’s now a rapidly growing business and transformational product.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Alexander Gonzalez contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The California Public Utilities Commission voted 3–1 Thursday evening to allow Cruise and Waymo robotaxis to charge fares in San Francisco.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1692395084,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":1139},"headData":{"title":"Are You Ready for More Driverless Taxis? 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CPUC Votes to Let Cruise, Waymo Expand in SF","datePublished":"2023-08-11T02:45:06.000Z","dateModified":"2023-08-18T21:44:44.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-4[…]f-aaef00f5a073/9d390ce0-0ac7-47d0-9c92-b05c000ac408/audio.mp3","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11957833/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf","audioDuration":232000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 1:30 p.m. Friday: \u003c/strong>A San Francisco supervisor says city officials are considering ways to appeal Thursday night’s CPUC vote that gave the green light for unlimited commercial expansion of Cruise and Waymo’s autonomous vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The decision by state regulators followed months of protest by San Francisco officials, unions and civic groups. Supervisor Aaron Peskin says options include filing for a re-hearing, and engaging further with the DMV, state lawmakers and federal regulators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is the beginning. This is not the end,” Peskin said. “San Francisco is not going to shirk our responsibilities around fundamental life safety, public safety issues.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mayor London Breed’s office wrote KQED: “There remain challenges we need to work to resolve, especially when [autonomous vehicles] interfere with our first responders. We are … exploring our options for next steps.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 7:45 p.m. Thursday:\u003c/strong> The California Public Utilities Commission voted 3–1 Thursday evening to allow Cruise and Waymo robotaxis to charge fares in San Francisco where the DMV has already determined the vehicles are deployment ready.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mood was polite but charged over six-and-a-half hours of public testimony preceding the votes, as scores of people argued for and against.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These are private companies testing their private R&D on public roads,” said Lauren Renaud, a data analyst in San Francisco. “You are a regulatory agency. Please do your job and create regulation. I did not consent to be a beta tester.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think we should be championing this technology to help improve San Francisco’s infrastructure and not impede it,” said Nzechi Nwaokoro, a software engineer who said he grew up in the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following the vote, Waymo’s co-CEO wrote that the CPUC’s approval “marks the true beginning of our commercial operations in San Francisco.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cruise’s vice president of government affairs wrote that the company is now in a position to compete with traditional ride-hail companies, namely, Uber and Lyft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s unfortunate the commissioners looked at this issue very narrowly and departed from their own stated mission and values of ensuring public safety,” said Justin Kloczko, a tech and privacy advocate for Consumer Watchdog. “They are failing to regulate a dangerous, nascent industry. Los Angeles is next.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waymo has been operating fully autonomous test vehicles in Los Angeles \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/dmitri_dolgov/status/1630231987146608640?s=20\">since February\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Original story:\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nState regulators are \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/events-and-meetings/cpuc-voting-meeting-2023-08-10\">expected to vote\u003c/a> today on whether to give the green light to \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M516/K812/516812218.PDF\">Cruise (PDF)\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M516/K812/516812344.PDF\">Waymo (PDF)\u003c/a> to run an unlimited fleet of driverless robotaxis in San Francisco. If approved, the two companies would be able to charge for rides, at any hour of the day or night, throughout the city, and would be able to expand their fleets without limit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Department of Motor Vehicles gave its \u003ca href=\"https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/117199-2/\">approval\u003c/a> for commercial robotaxis back in September of 2021. And both GM-owned Cruise and Alphabet-owned Waymo already have autonomous vehicles, or AVs, roaming certain parts of the city for limited hours. But these driverless cars have also given rise to frustration and sometimes fear, documented in profusion on social media. Like this tweet, posted last Sunday:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1688226890170150912"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Or this one, posted last Monday:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1688614136366714880"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>However, in the most recent earnings conference call for shareholders, Cruise CEO and CTO Kyle Vogt described a rosy scenario approaching, when their multibillion dollar investments might finally break out onto the open road of profitability and any current issues would be resolved. In fact, he argues driverless robotaxis will ultimately be safer and more convenient than regular cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Safety continues to improve despite increasing complexity,” said Vogt two weeks ago. “Our analysis of the first 1 million miles shows AVs experienced 54% fewer collisions than human drivers in similar environments, and 92% fewer where the AV was the primary contributor. In other words, the vast majority of collisions are caused by inattentive human drivers, not the AV.” Vogt envisioned a day when people will find it more affordable to take robotaxis instead of owning cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two companies must now clear a final regulatory hurdle from the California Public Utilities Commission before taking on human-driven Uber and Lyft unobstructed in San Francisco. But the votes have been delayed twice, following concerns voiced by local first responders and law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are multiple documented cases of AVs rolling into emergency scenes, oblivious to human commands to stop. The vehicles also have a tendency to “brick,” or come to a complete stop when confused, regardless of location. (See tweets above.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11957839\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2023/08/10/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf/city-of-san-francisco/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-11957839\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11957839\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco.jpg\" alt=\"a slide from a presentation shows a bar graph going up on the left and a map on the right\" width=\"1000\" height=\"565\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco.jpg 1000w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco-800x452.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco-160x90.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screenshot from a CPUC meeting. \u003ccite>(SFFD, SFPD, SFMTA)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Local regulators have largely had to watch from the sidewalks, and they’ve been \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/08/2023.08.07_cpuc_status_conference_8.7.2023_final.pdf\">loud about their frustration (PDF)\u003c/a>. Jeffrey Tumlin, director of the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, says he’s bullish about the technology, but not the way company performance data is largely a black box to local officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The companies have mostly denied all of our data requests around performance,” he said. “So to the extent that we have data, it is largely from reporting that industry must do — at the federal level to NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), and at the state level to the California Public Utilities Commission and the DMV.” Tumlin claims the bulk of safety performance data San Francisco transit officials get is coming from calls to 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Dan Chatman, chair of UC Berkeley’s Department of City and Regional Planning, says the rollout of robotaxis is inevitable — and not just for San Francisco, or California. Three years ago, there were only test vehicles in a handful of places. Now, they prowl the streets of several large cities, including \u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/27/waymo-to-test-driverless-rides-with-employees-in-los-angeles/\">Los Angeles\u003c/a>, Phoenix, Austin and Miami. Cruise began offering the public a \u003ca href=\"https://getcruise.com/\">waitlist\u003c/a> for autonomous ride hailing in San Francisco in February of 2022. Waymo began \u003ca href=\"https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/\">offering rides\u003c/a> the following November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It isn’t completely transparent to me that, just because there are some well publicized issues with the vehicles, therefore, they should be shut down,” Chatman said. “The CPUC is in a position where it has to weigh the potential benefits and the costs, and I don’t envy them their task.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cruise is no longer a science project,” CEO Vogt said in that earnings call earlier this month. “There was once significant risk and reasons to doubt, but it’s now a rapidly growing business and transformational product.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Alexander Gonzalez contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11957833/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf","authors":["251"],"categories":["news_8","news_248","news_1397"],"tags":["news_20291","news_33011","news_19179","news_33009","news_24934","news_33010","news_27626","news_33028","news_353","news_20576"],"featImg":"news_11957650","label":"news"},"news_11952095":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11952095","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11952095","score":null,"sort":[1685748310000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"tony-thurmond-autonomous-vehicles-generative-ai","title":"Tony Thurmond | Autonomous Vehicles | Generative AI","publishDate":1685748310,"format":"video","headTitle":"Tony Thurmond | Autonomous Vehicles | Generative AI | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":7052,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cb>CA State Superintendent Tony Thurmond\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">California’s public schools are dealing with unprecedented issues exacerbated by the pandemic: staffing shortages, low literacy, absenteeism and a mental health crisis among students. Tony Thurmond, the state superintendent of instruction, joins us to discuss the future of education in California. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>The Future of Autonomous Vehicles\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Driverless cars are already moving along densely packed San Francisco streets. What does it mean for human drivers and street safety? We look at what’s happening. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guests:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ellie Casson, Waymo head of city policy and government affairs\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Prof. William Riggs, director of USF’s Autonomous Vehicles and the City Initiative\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Generative AI\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Generative artificial intelligence is being called a paradigm shift for humanity — a change that will affect our work, our relationships and our knowledge. So what to make of it? 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Nine AV companies are testing driverless tech in California right now, according to the California Public Utilities Commission. Companies like Cruise, Argo AI and Zoox are competing to crack the automated vehicle market.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lenore wants to know why more cars are on the road than before. The short answer is that companies developing AVs need data — lots of data — to ensure the cars can handle any driving situation. And, as anybody who has driven in San Francisco can attest, there’s a lot to think about when driving here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“San Francisco is an incredibly diverse driving environment,” says Sam Kansara, senior product manager for Waymo, which is owned by Google’s parent company, Alphabet. “Part of our increase in presence in San Francisco is about making sure our software and technology can perform well in all of those different environments.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The AV experiment uses the idea of machine learning. \u003ca href=\"https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/self-taught-self-driving-cars/\">Engineers created an algorithm that continues to get better as the test vehicles collect data.\u003c/a> The car “learns” from its experiences driving, building new scenarios into its algorithm and making it more reliable and safer over time. The more miles the cars drive, the more data they collect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The key of the algorithms is that in order to be efficient, they need to have a pretty big database of learning examples,” says Alexandre Bayen, director of the \u003ca href=\"https://its.berkeley.edu/\">UC Berkeley Institute of Transportation Studies\u003c/a>. “That’s why you see so many of them collecting that data right now, because we’re not there yet.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It has been a long road to development for autonomous vehicles. They are certainly more visible on streets today, but AVs have been on California’s roads in one form or another for almost 30 years, beginning in 1997 in San Diego. The HOV lanes on I-15 were closed during the day, which allowed scientists and research engineers like Steven Shladover from \u003ca href=\"https://path.berkeley.edu/\">UC Berkeley’s California Partners for Advanced Transportation Technology program\u003c/a> to run vehicles for “a big public demonstration.” Until then testing had taken place primarily on test tracks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The technology has evolved from those early years and spawned things like adaptive cruise control — available on many modern automobiles — to cars that can drive themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Are autonomous vehicles safe?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>At this point, companies and scientists have been testing AVs on California streets since the 1990s, always with a human operator in the car in case of emergencies. But cars can be deadly, so regulators are being cautious about approving AVs in their current state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re going to have to have some minimum standards set so that riders who aren’t specialists in this field can be given some reassurance that this is actually a safe system,” says Shladover. He wouldn’t name specific brands but cautioned, “some of the companies that work in this space don’t know what they’re doing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[emailsignup newslettername=\"baycurious\" align=\"right\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California DMV says \u003ca href=\"https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/california-autonomous-vehicle-regulations/\">a variety of safety protocols are in place\u003c/a> and bad actors can lose their permits to operate. But Shladover cautions, “The state cannot ensure the safety of the automated driving systems entirely by themselves.” He says it will take cooperation between the federal government and the state government to make AVs truly safe. “They will need federal safety regulations to complement the state regulations in areas that the state does not have the authority or the expertise to regulate,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the software algorithms improve, safety should improve along with it. Still, the rollout likely will remain a gradual process, with certain types of vehicles allowed to operate in certain areas under certain conditions and at certain times of day. If AVs are going to truly become a viable transportation option, they’ll need to be able to drive everywhere, on any type of road, in many weather conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That means not only driving here in the Bay Area, but driving up to Tahoe,” says Shladover, “driving up to Yosemite, the rural roads in central California, going through the Bay Bridge toll plaza around sunset when the sun is shining straight in your eyes.” All of these scenarios need to be accounted for, for a driverless vehicle to drive solo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When could we see driverless AVs on the road all around us, safely ferrying zoned-out passengers to their destinations? Estimates vary, with regulatory agencies like the CPUC and DMV, as well as the AV companies themselves, apprehensive to discuss concrete timelines. 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If you pull up next to one of these, you might notice that even though a person is sitting in the driver’s seat, they aren’t really controlling the car.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These are self-driving cars — or autonomous vehicles, as they are known more formally — from a company called Waymo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Curious listener Lenore Kenny says she’s noticed a lot more of these on San Francisco streets than she used to see. She’s wondering, why are there so many? And what are they doing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lenore’s right: There are more autonomous vehicles, or AVs, on our roads. More than 1,400 are registered in California, up from 900 last November, according to the DMV. But San Francisco alone has more than 400,000 registered vehicles; the number of AVs is small by comparison. Still, in some parts of the city, you can count on seeing AVs every few minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waymo is not the only culprit. Nine AV companies are testing driverless tech in California right now, according to the California Public Utilities Commission. Companies like Cruise, Argo AI and Zoox are competing to crack the automated vehicle market.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lenore wants to know why more cars are on the road than before. The short answer is that companies developing AVs need data — lots of data — to ensure the cars can handle any driving situation. 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The more miles the cars drive, the more data they collect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The key of the algorithms is that in order to be efficient, they need to have a pretty big database of learning examples,” says Alexandre Bayen, director of the \u003ca href=\"https://its.berkeley.edu/\">UC Berkeley Institute of Transportation Studies\u003c/a>. “That’s why you see so many of them collecting that data right now, because we’re not there yet.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It has been a long road to development for autonomous vehicles. They are certainly more visible on streets today, but AVs have been on California’s roads in one form or another for almost 30 years, beginning in 1997 in San Diego. The HOV lanes on I-15 were closed during the day, which allowed scientists and research engineers like Steven Shladover from \u003ca href=\"https://path.berkeley.edu/\">UC Berkeley’s California Partners for Advanced Transportation Technology program\u003c/a> to run vehicles for “a big public demonstration.” Until then testing had taken place primarily on test tracks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The technology has evolved from those early years and spawned things like adaptive cruise control — available on many modern automobiles — to cars that can drive themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Are autonomous vehicles safe?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>At this point, companies and scientists have been testing AVs on California streets since the 1990s, always with a human operator in the car in case of emergencies. But cars can be deadly, so regulators are being cautious about approving AVs in their current state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re going to have to have some minimum standards set so that riders who aren’t specialists in this field can be given some reassurance that this is actually a safe system,” says Shladover. He wouldn’t name specific brands but cautioned, “some of the companies that work in this space don’t know what they’re doing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"emailsignup","attributes":{"named":{"newslettername":"baycurious","align":"right","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California DMV says \u003ca href=\"https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/california-autonomous-vehicle-regulations/\">a variety of safety protocols are in place\u003c/a> and bad actors can lose their permits to operate. But Shladover cautions, “The state cannot ensure the safety of the automated driving systems entirely by themselves.” He says it will take cooperation between the federal government and the state government to make AVs truly safe. “They will need federal safety regulations to complement the state regulations in areas that the state does not have the authority or the expertise to regulate,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the software algorithms improve, safety should improve along with it. Still, the rollout likely will remain a gradual process, with certain types of vehicles allowed to operate in certain areas under certain conditions and at certain times of day. 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Meanwhile, observing experts, like Shladover, say we have a long way to go.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When pressed for a date, he says 2075, but adds his gut answer: “Probably never.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"baycuriousquestion","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11897647/youre-not-imagining-it-there-are-more-driverless-cars-in-sf-now","authors":["11749"],"programs":["news_33523"],"series":["news_17986"],"categories":["news_8","news_33520","news_248"],"tags":["news_20291","news_18078","news_20576"],"featImg":"news_11897653","label":"source_news_11897647"},"news_11770687":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11770687","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11770687","score":null,"sort":[1567580466000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"anthony-levandowski-google-waymo-uber-pronto-cross-country-drive","title":"Anthony Levandowski: 'Going All the Way' and the Lessons of Real Mistakes","publishDate":1567580466,"format":"image","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>[dropcap]S[/dropcap]peeding is the least of Anthony Levandowski's troubles. We'll get to that in a minute.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levandowski is the former \u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/11/25/auto-correct\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">star Google engineer\u003c/a> who left the company's self-driving car program to launch \u003ca href=\"https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/25/13381246/otto-self-driving-truck-budweiser-first-shipment-uber\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a self-driving truck startup\u003c/a> which was, in very short order, \u003ca href=\"https://www.uber.com/newsroom/rethinking-transportation-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">acquired by Uber\u003c/a> for $680 million.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'If it is your job to advance technology, safety cannot be your No. 1 concern. If it is, you’ll never do anything. It’s always safer to leave the car in the driveway. You’ll never learn from a real mistake.'\u003ccite>Anthony Levandowski\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>The engineer's move from one of the world's most powerful companies to one determined to dominate the field of transportation triggered a chain of ugly consequences: Google's Waymo autonomous vehicle unit, alleging that Levandowski had absconded with digital files key to the company's technology, sued Uber for stealing trade secrets; Uber fired Levandowski before settling the case; and now, a federal grand jury \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11770294/ex-google-engineer-charged-in-uber-self-driving-theft-case\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">has indicted\u003c/a> Levandowski on criminal charges of stealing Google's secrets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levandowski, due back in court as early as Wednesday, has pleaded not guilty. His lawyers have assured the world he will beat the rap.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But what if he can't find his way past the fix he's in, one that could lead to prison time, millions of dollars in financial penalties and loss of his sizable fortune?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a way, Levandowski seems to have anticipated the question in interviews and in less direct pronouncements. Mistakes — even big mistakes — are part of the price of technological progress. You just keep going.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]R[/dropcap]eporter Charles Duhigg, in \u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/did-uber-steal-googles-intellectual-property\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a piece for The New Yorker\u003c/a> last year, examined Levandowski's career and the Google/Waymo trade secrets lawsuit against Uber.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The story portrays Levandowski as an iconoclast and out-on-the-edge risk-taker, just the type that Google leadership was looking for to take on the challenge of building its self-driving vehicle program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If it is your job to advance technology, safety cannot be your No. 1 concern,” Levandowski says in the article. \"If it is, you’ll never do anything. It’s always safer to leave the car in the driveway. You’ll never learn from a real mistake.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As an example of that attitude at work, Duhigg relates a story in which Levandowski is said to have been at the wheel of a self-driving Google vehicle involved in a near-crash with another car. The second car spun out and ended up in a freeway median, Duhigg writes, and Levandowski's passenger suffered a serious back injury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Levandowski, rather than being cowed by the incident, later defended it as an invaluable source of data, an opportunity to learn how to avoid similar mistakes,\" Duhigg reports. \"He sent colleagues an email with video of the near-collision. Its subject line was 'Prius vs. Camry.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levandowski, who launched several startups before and during his tenure at Google, left the company in early 2016 and started Otto, which focused on self-driving technology for the long-haul trucking industry. Uber \u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/18/uber-acquires-otto-to-lead-ubers-self-driving-car-effort-report-says/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">bought the company\u003c/a> months later, and the newly acquired firm made a splash in October 2016 with the announcement that its technology had enabled a self-driving semi loaded with beer to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11146649/beer-run-self-driving-truck-goes-120-plus-miles-on-colorado-delivery\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">safely navigate\u003c/a> a 120-mile route on Interstate 25 in Colorado.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then came the Google/Waymo lawsuit, Uber's dismissal of Levandowski and last week's criminal charges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]B[/dropcap]ut sometime between the day in 2017 when Uber fired him and the day he appeared in San Jose federal court to enter a plea of not guilty, Levandowski took a long drive. The journey was a first of sorts, and under other circumstances, it might have drawn more attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last October, almost exactly two years after Otto's highly publicized \u003ca href=\"https://www.wired.com/2016/10/ubers-self-driving-truck-makes-first-delivery-50000-beers/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Colorado beer run\u003c/a>, Levandowski climbed into the driver's seat of a Toyota Prius in San Francisco, headed north across the Golden Gate Bridge, then kept going all the way across the country, ending at New York City's George Washington Bridge less than four days later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It wasn't an all-time speed record, and it wasn't the first time someone made a mind-numbing cross-country drive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The unique part of the trip, which wasn't disclosed until December, was that Levandowski's vehicle was outfitted with advanced driver-assist technology developed by his latest startup, \u003ca href=\"https://pronto.ai/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pronto\u003c/a>. Levandowski and the company say the vehicle made the entire trip \"without any human intervention,\" save for refueling and rest breaks. The trip, \u003ca href=\"https://medium.com/pronto-ai/pronto-means-ready-e885bc8ec9e9\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Levandowski explained\u003c/a>, was part of realizing \"my life’s passion to make the life-saving potential of autonomous vehicles a reality.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pronto, which like Levandowski's Otto is marketing a self-driving system for the trucking industry, published \u003ca href=\"https://vimeo.com/306969319\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a time-lapse video\u003c/a> of the trip. After downloading it and watching it frame by frame, a few interesting patterns emerge:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The Pronto system, or at least the version used for Levandowski's drive, has a lead foot.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Levandowski sets out across the Golden Gate Bridge, which has a highly publicized 45 mph speed limit due to a history of deadly crashes, his vehicle quickly accelerates to 55 mph.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alan Dunton, a Pronto spokesman, said in an email last week \"the vehicle's speed was set by the system and was based on the surrounding traffic flow and posted speed limit, among other things using Pronto's proprietary technology.\"On the Golden Gate Bridge, he said in essence, that by exceeding the speed limit by 10 mph, the car's software was just keeping up with faster traffic and trying to stay safe and legal. Dunton points out the video shows Levandowski's Prius is passed repeatedly by faster traffic in the three northbound lanes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If they were going 10 mph slower, they would have impeded traffic, which is against California's basic speed law,\" Dunton said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Does that argument hold water with the California Highway Patrol, responsible for enforcing the speed limit on the bridge?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"No. Absolutely not,\" said CHP Officer Andrew Barclay, with the CHP's Marin County unit. \"They could be pulled over for speeding at that point.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Barclay said the state's \"\u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=22350\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">basic speed law\u003c/a>\" — \"no person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property\" — would not apply in the situation Dunton described.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dunton didn't address the numerous other occasions the Prius is seen speeding as it crossed the country, except to say \"they generally drove with the flow of traffic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Pronto — Italian for \"road boulder\"?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company's video shows Levandowski and his Prius hanging out in the left lane, aka the \"fast\" lane, for inordinately long stretches.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For instance, at mile 151 of the trip, on Interstate 80 near the Sierra foothills town of Colfax, the vehicle takes to the left lane. And stays there. And stays there. And stays there. All the way across the mountains, through Reno and well beyond, even as faster vehicles pass on the right. The car finally returns to the right lane just east of the town of Fernley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Asked about why the Pronto system didn't return the vehicle to the right lane to allow passing, as courtesy and the vehicle code would dictate, spokesman Dunton explained that the software was set to avoid possible conflicts with traffic entering the roadway from the right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"For the purposes of this early demo, (the team) wanted to maximize the chances of achieving this amazing milestone and therefore decided to have the car drive in left lane for a significant portion of the trip to reduce the number of merges with traffic,\" Dunton said.Why reduce the number of merges? Read on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Houston, we have a problem. With merging.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last December, after announcing Pronto's successful cross-country road trip, Levandowski took The Guardian's Mark Harris for \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/18/controversial-engineer-i-travelled-over-3000-miles-in-a-self-driving-car\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a 48-mile ride-along\u003c/a>. Harris said the system performed \"safely and competently,\" though Levandowski was forced to take control of the self-driving Prius at one point because it \"failed to merge into busy traffic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What can go wrong in a merge?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Pronto video, brief as it is, shows one harrowing example, a little more than 40 minutes into the trip, as Levandowski and his Prius attempt to merge onto eastbound Interstate 80 off of Highway 37 in Vallejo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the Prius heads up the ramp – and up a moderately steep grade where entering vehicles are required to merge left as the number of freeway lanes is reduced gradually from six to four – the vehicle briefly accelerates to 72 mph. However, the Prius remains in the far right lane to the point where it ends and the vehicle is forced to move to the left. By that time, the vehicle is rapidly overtaking a much-slower-moving dump truck.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One imagines this was an \"oh, shit\" moment for Levandowski, who was at the outset of a 3,100-mile trip in which he hoped not to touch the vehicle's controls except when he needed to gas up, pee or sleep.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What the car did, apparently with no input from him, was brake dramatically on the freeway – slowing to just 17 mph, according to the video – to avoid rear-ending the truck. The video doesn't show whether there was traffic immediately behind the Prius or whether other vehicles were also required to slow down. Eventually, the merge was completed and the Prius went on its way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]B[/dropcap]eyond depicting the apparently successful road trip, the Pronto video carries another message that may be relevant to Levandowski's current situation and his attitude toward it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The message comes in the video's sonorous voiceover. An unidentified, uncredited voice intones words identified at the end only as \"poetry by Charles Bukowski.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe title=\"vimeo-player\" src=\"https://player.vimeo.com/video/306969319\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, the audio of the reading is borrowed from \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/user/SpokenVerse\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tom O'Bedlam\u003c/a>, a sort of YouTube \u003ca href=\"https://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/youtube-and-the-cinnamon-peeler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cult figure\u003c/a> known for his taste in verse and his memorable reading style.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \"poetry by Charles Bukowski\" is a mash-up of two well-known pieces, \"\u003ca href=\"https://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/2008/11/the-laughing-he.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Laughing Heart\u003c/a>\" and \"\u003ca href=\"https://wordsfortheyear.com/2014/04/08/roll-the-dice/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Roll the Dice\u003c/a>,\" by the late Los Angeles poet. Both poems speak of the necessity of seizing the day and making one's life count for something. The latter piece, too, talks about pursuing dreams regardless of the cost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're guessing the poetry was chosen and hacked together because of the line \"if you're going to try, go all the way\" — you know, like the Prius in the video as it completes its cross-country ramble in the unromantic morass of a morning commute into New York City.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the lines that get your attention, read in funereal tones over video images of Levandowski's vehicle racing across the United States in frantically sped-up motion, are a little farther down:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"... go all the way.\u003cbr>\nthis could mean losing girlfriends,\u003cbr>\nwives, relatives, jobs and\u003cbr>\nmaybe your mind.\u003cbr>\ngo all the way.\u003cbr>\nit could mean not eating for 3 or 4 days.\u003cbr>\nit could mean freezing on a\u003cbr>\npark bench.\u003cbr>\nit could mean jail,\u003cbr>\nit could mean derision,\u003cbr>\nmockery,\u003cbr>\nisolation. ...\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Really? Jail? Homelessness? This vision of building a self-driving vehicle could mean losing your family, livelihood, sanity and freedom?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You wonder if that's where Anthony Levandowski really saw his career and life heading.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The former Google and Uber autonomous vehicle engineer, now facing criminal charges for alleged theft of trade secrets, had a history of pushing limits. He even taught a car to speed. 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We'll get to that in a minute.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levandowski is the former \u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/11/25/auto-correct\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">star Google engineer\u003c/a> who left the company's self-driving car program to launch \u003ca href=\"https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/25/13381246/otto-self-driving-truck-budweiser-first-shipment-uber\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a self-driving truck startup\u003c/a> which was, in very short order, \u003ca href=\"https://www.uber.com/newsroom/rethinking-transportation-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">acquired by Uber\u003c/a> for $680 million.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'If it is your job to advance technology, safety cannot be your No. 1 concern. If it is, you’ll never do anything. It’s always safer to leave the car in the driveway. You’ll never learn from a real mistake.'\u003ccite>Anthony Levandowski\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>The engineer's move from one of the world's most powerful companies to one determined to dominate the field of transportation triggered a chain of ugly consequences: Google's Waymo autonomous vehicle unit, alleging that Levandowski had absconded with digital files key to the company's technology, sued Uber for stealing trade secrets; Uber fired Levandowski before settling the case; and now, a federal grand jury \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11770294/ex-google-engineer-charged-in-uber-self-driving-theft-case\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">has indicted\u003c/a> Levandowski on criminal charges of stealing Google's secrets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levandowski, due back in court as early as Wednesday, has pleaded not guilty. His lawyers have assured the world he will beat the rap.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But what if he can't find his way past the fix he's in, one that could lead to prison time, millions of dollars in financial penalties and loss of his sizable fortune?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a way, Levandowski seems to have anticipated the question in interviews and in less direct pronouncements. Mistakes — even big mistakes — are part of the price of technological progress. You just keep going.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">R\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>eporter Charles Duhigg, in \u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/did-uber-steal-googles-intellectual-property\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a piece for The New Yorker\u003c/a> last year, examined Levandowski's career and the Google/Waymo trade secrets lawsuit against Uber.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The story portrays Levandowski as an iconoclast and out-on-the-edge risk-taker, just the type that Google leadership was looking for to take on the challenge of building its self-driving vehicle program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If it is your job to advance technology, safety cannot be your No. 1 concern,” Levandowski says in the article. \"If it is, you’ll never do anything. It’s always safer to leave the car in the driveway. You’ll never learn from a real mistake.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As an example of that attitude at work, Duhigg relates a story in which Levandowski is said to have been at the wheel of a self-driving Google vehicle involved in a near-crash with another car. The second car spun out and ended up in a freeway median, Duhigg writes, and Levandowski's passenger suffered a serious back injury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Levandowski, rather than being cowed by the incident, later defended it as an invaluable source of data, an opportunity to learn how to avoid similar mistakes,\" Duhigg reports. \"He sent colleagues an email with video of the near-collision. Its subject line was 'Prius vs. Camry.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levandowski, who launched several startups before and during his tenure at Google, left the company in early 2016 and started Otto, which focused on self-driving technology for the long-haul trucking industry. Uber \u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/18/uber-acquires-otto-to-lead-ubers-self-driving-car-effort-report-says/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">bought the company\u003c/a> months later, and the newly acquired firm made a splash in October 2016 with the announcement that its technology had enabled a self-driving semi loaded with beer to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11146649/beer-run-self-driving-truck-goes-120-plus-miles-on-colorado-delivery\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">safely navigate\u003c/a> a 120-mile route on Interstate 25 in Colorado.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then came the Google/Waymo lawsuit, Uber's dismissal of Levandowski and last week's criminal charges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">B\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>ut sometime between the day in 2017 when Uber fired him and the day he appeared in San Jose federal court to enter a plea of not guilty, Levandowski took a long drive. The journey was a first of sorts, and under other circumstances, it might have drawn more attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last October, almost exactly two years after Otto's highly publicized \u003ca href=\"https://www.wired.com/2016/10/ubers-self-driving-truck-makes-first-delivery-50000-beers/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Colorado beer run\u003c/a>, Levandowski climbed into the driver's seat of a Toyota Prius in San Francisco, headed north across the Golden Gate Bridge, then kept going all the way across the country, ending at New York City's George Washington Bridge less than four days later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It wasn't an all-time speed record, and it wasn't the first time someone made a mind-numbing cross-country drive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The unique part of the trip, which wasn't disclosed until December, was that Levandowski's vehicle was outfitted with advanced driver-assist technology developed by his latest startup, \u003ca href=\"https://pronto.ai/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pronto\u003c/a>. Levandowski and the company say the vehicle made the entire trip \"without any human intervention,\" save for refueling and rest breaks. The trip, \u003ca href=\"https://medium.com/pronto-ai/pronto-means-ready-e885bc8ec9e9\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Levandowski explained\u003c/a>, was part of realizing \"my life’s passion to make the life-saving potential of autonomous vehicles a reality.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pronto, which like Levandowski's Otto is marketing a self-driving system for the trucking industry, published \u003ca href=\"https://vimeo.com/306969319\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a time-lapse video\u003c/a> of the trip. After downloading it and watching it frame by frame, a few interesting patterns emerge:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The Pronto system, or at least the version used for Levandowski's drive, has a lead foot.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Levandowski sets out across the Golden Gate Bridge, which has a highly publicized 45 mph speed limit due to a history of deadly crashes, his vehicle quickly accelerates to 55 mph.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alan Dunton, a Pronto spokesman, said in an email last week \"the vehicle's speed was set by the system and was based on the surrounding traffic flow and posted speed limit, among other things using Pronto's proprietary technology.\"On the Golden Gate Bridge, he said in essence, that by exceeding the speed limit by 10 mph, the car's software was just keeping up with faster traffic and trying to stay safe and legal. Dunton points out the video shows Levandowski's Prius is passed repeatedly by faster traffic in the three northbound lanes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If they were going 10 mph slower, they would have impeded traffic, which is against California's basic speed law,\" Dunton said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Does that argument hold water with the California Highway Patrol, responsible for enforcing the speed limit on the bridge?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"No. Absolutely not,\" said CHP Officer Andrew Barclay, with the CHP's Marin County unit. \"They could be pulled over for speeding at that point.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Barclay said the state's \"\u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=22350\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">basic speed law\u003c/a>\" — \"no person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property\" — would not apply in the situation Dunton described.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dunton didn't address the numerous other occasions the Prius is seen speeding as it crossed the country, except to say \"they generally drove with the flow of traffic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Pronto — Italian for \"road boulder\"?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company's video shows Levandowski and his Prius hanging out in the left lane, aka the \"fast\" lane, for inordinately long stretches.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For instance, at mile 151 of the trip, on Interstate 80 near the Sierra foothills town of Colfax, the vehicle takes to the left lane. And stays there. And stays there. And stays there. All the way across the mountains, through Reno and well beyond, even as faster vehicles pass on the right. The car finally returns to the right lane just east of the town of Fernley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Asked about why the Pronto system didn't return the vehicle to the right lane to allow passing, as courtesy and the vehicle code would dictate, spokesman Dunton explained that the software was set to avoid possible conflicts with traffic entering the roadway from the right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"For the purposes of this early demo, (the team) wanted to maximize the chances of achieving this amazing milestone and therefore decided to have the car drive in left lane for a significant portion of the trip to reduce the number of merges with traffic,\" Dunton said.Why reduce the number of merges? Read on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Houston, we have a problem. With merging.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last December, after announcing Pronto's successful cross-country road trip, Levandowski took The Guardian's Mark Harris for \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/18/controversial-engineer-i-travelled-over-3000-miles-in-a-self-driving-car\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a 48-mile ride-along\u003c/a>. Harris said the system performed \"safely and competently,\" though Levandowski was forced to take control of the self-driving Prius at one point because it \"failed to merge into busy traffic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What can go wrong in a merge?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Pronto video, brief as it is, shows one harrowing example, a little more than 40 minutes into the trip, as Levandowski and his Prius attempt to merge onto eastbound Interstate 80 off of Highway 37 in Vallejo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the Prius heads up the ramp – and up a moderately steep grade where entering vehicles are required to merge left as the number of freeway lanes is reduced gradually from six to four – the vehicle briefly accelerates to 72 mph. However, the Prius remains in the far right lane to the point where it ends and the vehicle is forced to move to the left. By that time, the vehicle is rapidly overtaking a much-slower-moving dump truck.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One imagines this was an \"oh, shit\" moment for Levandowski, who was at the outset of a 3,100-mile trip in which he hoped not to touch the vehicle's controls except when he needed to gas up, pee or sleep.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What the car did, apparently with no input from him, was brake dramatically on the freeway – slowing to just 17 mph, according to the video – to avoid rear-ending the truck. The video doesn't show whether there was traffic immediately behind the Prius or whether other vehicles were also required to slow down. Eventually, the merge was completed and the Prius went on its way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">B\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>eyond depicting the apparently successful road trip, the Pronto video carries another message that may be relevant to Levandowski's current situation and his attitude toward it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The message comes in the video's sonorous voiceover. An unidentified, uncredited voice intones words identified at the end only as \"poetry by Charles Bukowski.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe title=\"vimeo-player\" src=\"https://player.vimeo.com/video/306969319\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, the audio of the reading is borrowed from \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/user/SpokenVerse\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tom O'Bedlam\u003c/a>, a sort of YouTube \u003ca href=\"https://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/youtube-and-the-cinnamon-peeler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cult figure\u003c/a> known for his taste in verse and his memorable reading style.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \"poetry by Charles Bukowski\" is a mash-up of two well-known pieces, \"\u003ca href=\"https://thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/2008/11/the-laughing-he.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Laughing Heart\u003c/a>\" and \"\u003ca href=\"https://wordsfortheyear.com/2014/04/08/roll-the-dice/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Roll the Dice\u003c/a>,\" by the late Los Angeles poet. Both poems speak of the necessity of seizing the day and making one's life count for something. The latter piece, too, talks about pursuing dreams regardless of the cost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're guessing the poetry was chosen and hacked together because of the line \"if you're going to try, go all the way\" — you know, like the Prius in the video as it completes its cross-country ramble in the unromantic morass of a morning commute into New York City.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the lines that get your attention, read in funereal tones over video images of Levandowski's vehicle racing across the United States in frantically sped-up motion, are a little farther down:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"... go all the way.\u003cbr>\nthis could mean losing girlfriends,\u003cbr>\nwives, relatives, jobs and\u003cbr>\nmaybe your mind.\u003cbr>\ngo all the way.\u003cbr>\nit could mean not eating for 3 or 4 days.\u003cbr>\nit could mean freezing on a\u003cbr>\npark bench.\u003cbr>\nit could mean jail,\u003cbr>\nit could mean derision,\u003cbr>\nmockery,\u003cbr>\nisolation. ...\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Really? Jail? Homelessness? This vision of building a self-driving vehicle could mean losing your family, livelihood, sanity and freedom?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You wonder if that's where Anthony Levandowski really saw his career and life heading.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11770687/anthony-levandowski-google-waymo-uber-pronto-cross-country-drive","authors":["222"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_248","news_1397"],"tags":["news_26506","news_93","news_18078","news_4523","news_20576"],"featImg":"news_11771106","label":"news_72"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. 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