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embracing changes to its criminal sentencing system a decade ago, police and prosecutors have pushed back, arguing that the reforms went too far and undermined public safety, and that voters who approved them didn't really know what they were doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This year, opponents of reform went back to the electorate with \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11841579/prop-20-asks-should-california-rollback-recent-criminal-justice-reforms-transcript\">Proposition 20\u003c/a>, which would have made it easier to put some people in jail for theft, while making it harder for thousands of state prisoners to qualify for parole consideration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Kate Chatfield, policy director of the Justice Collaborative\"]'The voters are so much further along on this issue than the California Legislature or any Legislature in the country.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"And it wasn't even close,\" said Kate Chatfield, policy director at the pro-reform Justice Collaborative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She’s right — Proposition 20 has been trailing by double digits since Tuesday as the ballots continue to be tallied.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chatfield says supporters of the measure — largely law enforcement groups — used the traditional law and order playbook, which worked in decades past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They used all their usual cards in the deck. You know, 'crime is increasing.' The fear-based mailers, the phony arguments,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The voters saw through them. I mean, the voters just were not persuaded,\" Chatfield added. \"And that to me was very, very hopeful that we may have turned this corner.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]Proposition 20 wasn’t the only big win. Statewide, voters also gave people on parole the right to vote. And at the local level\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11844487/bay-area-police-accountability-measures-draw-strong-support-across-the-board\">, a half dozen Bay Area cities passed police accountability measures\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, in Los Angeles, the progressive district attorney candidate, George Gascón, \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-11-05/election-2020-la-county-george-gascon-jackie-lacey-district-attorney-race\">appears to have defeated\u003c/a> his rival, current District Attorney Jackie Lacey, who was backed by law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jay Jordan, executive director of the pro-reform group Californians for Safety and Justice, says the message from voters is clear: They support rehabilitation and other alternatives to incarceration, not more jails and prisons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He noted that Proposition 20 \u003ca href=\"https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/ballot-measures/prop/20\">lost in 50 of the state’s 58 counties\u003c/a>, including reliably red ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"No longer can you just tell California voters anything,\" said Jordan, whose organization wrote one of the reform measures that Proposition 20 sought to roll back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In this era, Jordan said, campaigns are \"going to have to make the case. And, you know, the case for more prisons and more prison spending is just not one that California voters are willing to accept.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"criminal-justice-reform\"]But Jordan’s group did suffer one big loss:\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11842445/prop-25-asks-should-california-get-rid-of-money-bail-transcript\"> Proposition 25,\u003c/a> which would have ended money bail in California, was defeated after a well-funded campaign by the bail industry and law enforcement. Those groups got a boost from an unexpected source — \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11841209/proposition-25-would-end-cash-bail-so-why-are-some-progressive-groups-against-it\">progressive civil rights groups, who argued that the measure’s proposed replacement for bail was unfair\u003c/a> and could lead to more people being locked up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Gatto, a consultant for the No on 25 campaign, says voters understood it was deeply flawed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think that the historic coalition that came together to oppose it sent a clear message to the Legislature that the people of the state want them to do better,\" said Gatto, a former Democratic state lawmaker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Gatto rejects the notion that the electorate sent a broader message of increased support for criminal reform, arguing that Proposition 20 — the tough-on-crime measure, which he supported — was defeated simply because its backers were outspent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Generally, Gatto adds, he doesn't see a surge of anti-law enforcement sentiment among California voters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chatfield disagrees. A former defense attorney who has worked on these issues for two decades, she says while the bail measure was complicated because of opposition from both the left and right, the rest of the statewide and local criminal justice outcomes in this election should send a message to state leaders that the public is ready to go even farther on reform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The voters are so much further along on this issue than the California Legislature or any Legislature in the country,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chatfield, Jordan and others hope the state Legislature, which \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/justice/2020/09/california-lawmakers-failed-to-enact-police-reform/\">failed to pass several police reform measures this past summer\u003c/a>, will hear that message and be willing to embrace reforms to both policing and criminal sentencing in 2021.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Criminal justice reform advocates say California voters this election sent lawmakers a strong message that they want to go even farther on reform.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1604686288,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":733},"headData":{"title":"Criminal Justice Reformers Clock Big Wins in California | KQED","description":"Criminal justice reform advocates say California voters this election sent lawmakers a strong message that they want to go even farther on reform.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Criminal Justice Reformers Clock Big Wins in California","datePublished":"2020-11-06T00:28:55.000Z","dateModified":"2020-11-06T18:11:28.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11845935 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11845935","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2020/11/05/criminal-justice-reformers-clock-big-wins-in-california/","disqusTitle":"Criminal Justice Reformers Clock Big Wins in California","audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/ada53821-99a9-44a5-8520-ac6b00f7a52c/audio.mp3","path":"/news/11845935/criminal-justice-reformers-clock-big-wins-in-california","audioDuration":225000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Ever since California started embracing changes to its criminal sentencing system a decade ago, police and prosecutors have pushed back, arguing that the reforms went too far and undermined public safety, and that voters who approved them didn't really know what they were doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This year, opponents of reform went back to the electorate with \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11841579/prop-20-asks-should-california-rollback-recent-criminal-justice-reforms-transcript\">Proposition 20\u003c/a>, which would have made it easier to put some people in jail for theft, while making it harder for thousands of state prisoners to qualify for parole consideration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The voters are so much further along on this issue than the California Legislature or any Legislature in the country.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Kate Chatfield, policy director of the Justice Collaborative","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"And it wasn't even close,\" said Kate Chatfield, policy director at the pro-reform Justice Collaborative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She’s right — Proposition 20 has been trailing by double digits since Tuesday as the ballots continue to be tallied.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chatfield says supporters of the measure — largely law enforcement groups — used the traditional law and order playbook, which worked in decades past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They used all their usual cards in the deck. 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And at the local level\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11844487/bay-area-police-accountability-measures-draw-strong-support-across-the-board\">, a half dozen Bay Area cities passed police accountability measures\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, in Los Angeles, the progressive district attorney candidate, George Gascón, \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-11-05/election-2020-la-county-george-gascon-jackie-lacey-district-attorney-race\">appears to have defeated\u003c/a> his rival, current District Attorney Jackie Lacey, who was backed by law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jay Jordan, executive director of the pro-reform group Californians for Safety and Justice, says the message from voters is clear: They support rehabilitation and other alternatives to incarceration, not more jails and prisons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He noted that Proposition 20 \u003ca href=\"https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/ballot-measures/prop/20\">lost in 50 of the state’s 58 counties\u003c/a>, including reliably red ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"No longer can you just tell California voters anything,\" said Jordan, whose organization wrote one of the reform measures that Proposition 20 sought to roll back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In this era, Jordan said, campaigns are \"going to have to make the case. And, you know, the case for more prisons and more prison spending is just not one that California voters are willing to accept.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"criminal-justice-reform"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>But Jordan’s group did suffer one big loss:\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11842445/prop-25-asks-should-california-get-rid-of-money-bail-transcript\"> Proposition 25,\u003c/a> which would have ended money bail in California, was defeated after a well-funded campaign by the bail industry and law enforcement. Those groups got a boost from an unexpected source — \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11841209/proposition-25-would-end-cash-bail-so-why-are-some-progressive-groups-against-it\">progressive civil rights groups, who argued that the measure’s proposed replacement for bail was unfair\u003c/a> and could lead to more people being locked up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Gatto, a consultant for the No on 25 campaign, says voters understood it was deeply flawed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think that the historic coalition that came together to oppose it sent a clear message to the Legislature that the people of the state want them to do better,\" said Gatto, a former Democratic state lawmaker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Gatto rejects the notion that the electorate sent a broader message of increased support for criminal reform, arguing that Proposition 20 — the tough-on-crime measure, which he supported — was defeated simply because its backers were outspent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Generally, Gatto adds, he doesn't see a surge of anti-law enforcement sentiment among California voters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chatfield disagrees. 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On Wednesday the Associated Press declared that the proposition failed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The result is a dismissal of efforts by reformers who have pushed California to dramatically rethink the way it approaches criminal justice over the past decade.[aside label=\"More on Proposition 25\" link1='https://www.kqed.org/voterguide/proposition-25-cash-bail,Proposition 25: Should California end the use of cash bail to determine who gets out of jail before trial?' link2='https://www.kqed.org/elections/results#californiapropositions,Proposition 25: Election Results' hero=https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/2020/10/KQED-Election-2020-Aside-Prop-25.png]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 25 was a referendum on Senate Bill 10, a law passed by the California Legislature and signed by former Gov. Jerry Brown two years ago. 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Many progressive groups argued that, while they want to see the end of cash bail, the system set up by Proposition 25 could lead to more people held in jail, not fewer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Separately, voters rejected Proposition 20, which would have made it easier to put some people in jail for theft while making it harder for thousands of state prisoners to qualify for parole consideration. It also would have expanded DNA collection of people convicted of some misdemeanors.[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Proposition 25 was a referendum on Senate Bill 10, a law passed by the California Legislature and signed by former Gov. 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On Wednesday the Associated Press declared that the proposition failed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The result is a dismissal of efforts by reformers who have pushed California to dramatically rethink the way it approaches criminal justice over the past decade.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"More on Proposition 25 ","link1":"https://www.kqed.org/voterguide/proposition-25-cash-bail,Proposition 25: Should California end the use of cash bail to determine who gets out of jail before trial?","link2":"https://www.kqed.org/elections/results#californiapropositions,Proposition 25: Election Results","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/2020/10/KQED-Election-2020-Aside-Prop-25.png"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 25 was a referendum on Senate Bill 10, a law passed by the California Legislature and signed by former Gov. Jerry Brown two years ago. That law eliminated cash bail as an option for securing release from jail after an arrest, and replaced it with a system that relies on risk assessments to advise judges, who would make the final call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under the law, most people arrested for misdemeanors in California would be automatically released before trial. Meanwhile, those accused of violent crimes would be held in jail without an option for release, and people arrested for less serious felonies would be able to make their case to a judge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because the bail industry gathered enough signatures to put the referendum on the ballot, the law was on hold until voters weighed in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While law enforcement groups generally opposed Proposition 25, the bail measure also split some on the political left. Many progressive groups argued that, while they want to see the end of cash bail, the system set up by Proposition 25 could lead to more people held in jail, not fewer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Separately, voters rejected Proposition 20, which would have made it easier to put some people in jail for theft while making it harder for thousands of state prisoners to qualify for parole consideration. It also would have expanded DNA collection of people convicted of some misdemeanors.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11845036/voters-reject-proposition-25-preserving-cash-bail-in-california","authors":["3239"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_27370","news_145"],"featImg":"news_11846006","label":"news"},"news_11845154":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11845154","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11845154","score":null,"sort":[1604477990000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"voters-resoundingly-defeat-proposition-20s-attempt-to-roll-back-prison-reform","title":"Voters Resoundingly Defeat Proposition 20's Attempt to Roll Back Prison Reform","publishDate":1604477990,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 3:45 p.m., Wednesday, Nov. 4\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California voters overwhelmingly rejected Proposition 20, a ballot measure that would have rolled back key portions of recent criminal justice reforms. The measure had more than 62% votes against it as of Wednesday at 3:35 p.m.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The results illustrate how dramatically public opinion has shifted over the past two decades and indicate that voters do not feel California has gone too far in its efforts to reduce prison and jail populations and redirect money into rehabilitation programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Criminal justice reform advocates hailed the defeat of what they called \"the prison spending scam.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"[Voters] support the reforms that we’ve made, and they actually want us to keep moving toward rehabilitation ... instead of just mindlessly locking up more and more people for nonviolent crime,\" said Dan Newman, a consultant for the No on Prop. 20 campaign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 20, backed by police and prosecutors, was aimed at making it easier to put some people in jail for theft, while making it harder for thousands of state prisoners to qualify for parole consideration. It also would have expanded DNA collection of people convicted of some misdemeanors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"More on Proposition 20\" link1='https://www.kqed.org/voterguide/proposition-20-crime-prosecutors-law-enforcement,Proposition 20: Should California increase penalties for certain property crimes and repeated parole violations? Should it be harder to qualify for early parole and release?' link2='https://www.kqed.org/elections/results#californiapropositions,Proposition 20: Election Results' hero=https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/2020/10/KQED-Election-2020-Aside-Prop-20.png]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters argued that the measure would selectively roll back what they characterized as some of the more harmful reforms enacted in recent years, making it easier for communities to crack down on serial theft and ensuring that dangerous criminals aren’t eligible for early parole.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Opponents, including state Democratic leaders, said it would send more people to jail and prison just as California is starting to get a handle on its overcrowded lockups, and that it would redirect millions of dollars from rehabilitation programs, victims services and other community programs back to incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Law enforcement groups generally supported Proposition 20.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Separately, voters also rejected Proposition 25, an effort to end cash bail in California. The measure was a referendum on Senate Bill 10, a law passed by the California Legislature and signed by former Gov. Jerry Brown two years ago. The law eliminated cash bail as an option for securing release from jail after an arrest, replacing it with a system that relies on risk assessments to advise judges, who would make the final call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because Proposition 25 was rejected, the current cash bail system will remain in place.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The measure, backed by police and prosecutors, was aimed at making it easier to put some people in jail for theft and harder for state prisoners to qualify for parole consideration.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1604534768,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":14,"wordCount":457},"headData":{"title":"Voters Resoundingly Defeat Proposition 20's Attempt to Roll Back Prison Reform | KQED","description":"The measure, backed by police and prosecutors, was aimed at making it easier to put some people in jail for theft and harder for state prisoners to qualify for parole consideration.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Voters Resoundingly Defeat Proposition 20's Attempt to Roll Back Prison Reform","datePublished":"2020-11-04T08:19:50.000Z","dateModified":"2020-11-05T00:06:08.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11845154 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11845154","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2020/11/04/voters-resoundingly-defeat-proposition-20s-attempt-to-roll-back-prison-reform/","disqusTitle":"Voters Resoundingly Defeat Proposition 20's Attempt to Roll Back Prison Reform","path":"/news/11845154/voters-resoundingly-defeat-proposition-20s-attempt-to-roll-back-prison-reform","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 3:45 p.m., Wednesday, Nov. 4\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California voters overwhelmingly rejected Proposition 20, a ballot measure that would have rolled back key portions of recent criminal justice reforms. The measure had more than 62% votes against it as of Wednesday at 3:35 p.m.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The results illustrate how dramatically public opinion has shifted over the past two decades and indicate that voters do not feel California has gone too far in its efforts to reduce prison and jail populations and redirect money into rehabilitation programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Criminal justice reform advocates hailed the defeat of what they called \"the prison spending scam.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"[Voters] support the reforms that we’ve made, and they actually want us to keep moving toward rehabilitation ... instead of just mindlessly locking up more and more people for nonviolent crime,\" said Dan Newman, a consultant for the No on Prop. 20 campaign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 20, backed by police and prosecutors, was aimed at making it easier to put some people in jail for theft, while making it harder for thousands of state prisoners to qualify for parole consideration. It also would have expanded DNA collection of people convicted of some misdemeanors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"More on Proposition 20 ","link1":"https://www.kqed.org/voterguide/proposition-20-crime-prosecutors-law-enforcement,Proposition 20: Should California increase penalties for certain property crimes and repeated parole violations? Should it be harder to qualify for early parole and release?","link2":"https://www.kqed.org/elections/results#californiapropositions,Proposition 20: Election Results","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/2020/10/KQED-Election-2020-Aside-Prop-20.png"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters argued that the measure would selectively roll back what they characterized as some of the more harmful reforms enacted in recent years, making it easier for communities to crack down on serial theft and ensuring that dangerous criminals aren’t eligible for early parole.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Opponents, including state Democratic leaders, said it would send more people to jail and prison just as California is starting to get a handle on its overcrowded lockups, and that it would redirect millions of dollars from rehabilitation programs, victims services and other community programs back to incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Law enforcement groups generally supported Proposition 20.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Separately, voters also rejected Proposition 25, an effort to end cash bail in California. The measure was a referendum on Senate Bill 10, a law passed by the California Legislature and signed by former Gov. Jerry Brown two years ago. The law eliminated cash bail as an option for securing release from jail after an arrest, replacing it with a system that relies on risk assessments to advise judges, who would make the final call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because Proposition 25 was rejected, the current cash bail system will remain in place.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11845154/voters-resoundingly-defeat-proposition-20s-attempt-to-roll-back-prison-reform","authors":["3239"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_27540","news_27508","news_27370","news_283","news_145"],"featImg":"news_11845215","label":"news"},"news_11841209":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11841209","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11841209","score":null,"sort":[1602112169000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"proposition-25-would-end-cash-bail-so-why-are-some-progressive-groups-against-it","title":"Proposition 25 Would End Cash Bail. So Why Are Some Progressive Groups Against It?","publishDate":1602112169,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>When California lawmakers \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11487659/bail-reform-bill-approved-by-senate-assembly-next-up\">began debating\u003c/a> whether to reform the state’s cash bail system more than three years ago, progressive groups supported the change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11689184/gov-brown-signs-bill-ending-cash-bail-in-california\">compromise legislation that emerged\u003c/a> following more than a year of debate in the state Capitol \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11687273/bill-to-end-cash-bail-in-california-moves-forward-but-loses-some-support\">splintered the coalition on the left\u003c/a>. Now, state voters are being asked whether to uphold that law — \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB10\">Senate Bill 10\u003c/a> — after the bail industry gathered enough signatures to put a referendum on it on this November's ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If passed, Proposition 25 would let SB 10 take effect — ending cash bail as a way for people accused of a crime to secure their release before a trial. But in a strange twist, some progressive civil rights groups are siding with the bail industry and law enforcement to effectively keep bail in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They worry that the new law will result in more, not fewer, people being kept behind bars as they await trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I can't predict what will happen, but I can say that the system they've set up is going to allow for expanded incarceration and expanded pretrial supervision including electronic monitoring, all of which is going to lead to more incarceration,” said John Raphling, a researcher for Human Rights Watch in Los Angeles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Raphling wants voters to reject Proposition 25. Since the ballot measure is a referendum on SB 10, which was \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11689184/gov-brown-signs-bill-ending-cash-bail-in-california\">signed by then-Gov. Jerry Brown\u003c/a> in 2018 — a \"yes\" vote will allow the legislation to take effect and a \"no\" vote would overturn the law. Under state law, a referendum puts a new law on hold until voters can weigh in — meaning the 2018 law never went into effect. If Proposition 25 passes, California would become the first state in the nation to completely outlaw money bail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 25’s backers say Raphling and other opponents are wrong, and that the measure will actually lead to fewer people being held in jail pretrial, and make the system more fair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Bauters, budget advocacy director for the criminal justice reform group Californians for Safety and Justice, pointed to a study by the Public Policy Institute of California which found that the change would result in more than 142,000 people each year spending less time in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bauters said the new system that would be set up under Proposition 25 would ensure that people don’t lose their jobs, their homes or custody of their kids while they languish in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There's tons of statistics and data about how people who are held pretrial are more likely to plead guilty to things they didn't commit,” he said. “People who are released pretrial actually get a more pure form of justice.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What Does the Law Do?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The 2018 bill, SB 10, made money bail illegal in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If voters decide to uphold SB 10 by passing Proposition 25, the state would replace bail with a system that generally requires people arrested for misdemeanors to be automatically let go before trial — and for those accused of violent felonies to be kept in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those accused of lower-level felonies would go before a judge who could keep them in jail or put conditions on their release. Those conditions could include things like mandatory drug treatment, or a weekly probation check-in. The judge’s decision would in part be based on the results of a risk assessment tool that would essentially measure a person’s likelihood of re-offending or skipping out on court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Each county would have to adopt their own risk assessment tool.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those tools — based on algorithms that 'learn' more about risk profiles as more data about criminal defendants is entered into them — have become one of the flash points for those opposed to the bail law and Proposition 25.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Too Much Power for Algorithms and Judges?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Raphling, for example, warns that these risk assessment tools could be biased or misleading themselves, noting that someone’s risk of being rearrested can be as much about policing decisions and the color of their skin as that person’s actual conduct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"John Raphling, Human Rights Watch researcher\"]'The bail bond industry is a parasite. They are bloodsuckers. But the blood wouldn't be available to them if it wasn't for judges and law enforcement.'[/pullquote]What Proposition 25 does, he said, is make these algorithms “the gatekeeper” to someone’s freedom before trial. And even more concerning, he and other opponents say, is that the entire system gives judges way too much power to decide who leaves and who stays in jail before a trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If you're low risk, then (under Prop. 25) you're likely to get out — but the judges can always override any decision of risk assessment,” he said. “In my research, I've found that they overwhelmingly override in favor of locking people up ... and there's real questions about the accuracy of those (risk assessments).\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Insha Rahman, a former public defender who is now vice president of advocacy and initiatives at the Vera Institute of Justice in New York, agrees. She said there’s no reason to think that judges would behave differently because Proposition 25 still gives them the power to hold people in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When it comes to public safety, across the board, we tend to just use our discretion to detain. That's what the system has historically done,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Decreasing Racial Bias?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>But Santa Barbara Probation Chief Tanja Heitman, whose county has been experimenting with alternatives to money bail, said she believes risk assessments can actually help reduce racial disparities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I will never suggest that risk assessments are perfect. They are an evolving science and they continue to improve,’ she said. “As long as there's over-policing in communities of color, as long as there is those inherent disparities in access to health care and educational employment opportunities, there's going to be disparities in arrest rates that are then going to impact the criminal justice system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in Santa Barbara County, she said, she has seen the risk assessments help erase racial biases in the juvenile criminal justice system. Youths of color are 2.6 times more likely to get arrested by law enforcement than white juveniles, she said; but their release rates were identical. The disparities among races reemerged when it came to charging decisions by prosecutors, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think probation officers are just as likely to allow biases unintentionally to creep into their decision making if they don't have an assessment tool to help guide them, if they don't have an assessment tool to ground to them,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label='Related Coverage' tag='bail']While many police and prosecutors groups oppose Proposition 25, Heitman and other probation officials believe it will make communities safer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We know that money bail doesn't make us safe, but allowing people to stay connected to their families, to continue working (while they await trial) — that's what's going to enable them to be successful and improve our community overall,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Raphling, however, points out that Heitman and other probation departments have an incentive to support Proposition 25: They will gain power and funding because their responsibilities will be expanded to include more pretrial defendants under the measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bail industry is funding the opposition. But Raphling said his opposition to Proposition 25 doesn’t mean he and others support that industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The bail bond industry is a parasite. They are bloodsuckers. But the blood wouldn't be available to them if it wasn't for judges and law enforcement,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If voters reject Proposition 25 — and with it, the 2018 law — supporters believe that state lawmakers would be prohibited from taking up the question of completely eliminating bail again, ensuring that the industry will continue to operate in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Raphling and others say the Legislature could still come up with an alternative system that would sideline the money bail industry without outlawing it altogether.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In a strange twist, some progressive civil rights groups are siding with the bail industry and law enforcement to effectively keep bail in place.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1602869496,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":33,"wordCount":1386},"headData":{"title":"Proposition 25 Would End Cash Bail. 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So Why Are Some Progressive Groups Against It?","path":"/news/11841209/proposition-25-would-end-cash-bail-so-why-are-some-progressive-groups-against-it","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>When California lawmakers \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11487659/bail-reform-bill-approved-by-senate-assembly-next-up\">began debating\u003c/a> whether to reform the state’s cash bail system more than three years ago, progressive groups supported the change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11689184/gov-brown-signs-bill-ending-cash-bail-in-california\">compromise legislation that emerged\u003c/a> following more than a year of debate in the state Capitol \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11687273/bill-to-end-cash-bail-in-california-moves-forward-but-loses-some-support\">splintered the coalition on the left\u003c/a>. Now, state voters are being asked whether to uphold that law — \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB10\">Senate Bill 10\u003c/a> — after the bail industry gathered enough signatures to put a referendum on it on this November's ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If passed, Proposition 25 would let SB 10 take effect — ending cash bail as a way for people accused of a crime to secure their release before a trial. But in a strange twist, some progressive civil rights groups are siding with the bail industry and law enforcement to effectively keep bail in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They worry that the new law will result in more, not fewer, people being kept behind bars as they await trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I can't predict what will happen, but I can say that the system they've set up is going to allow for expanded incarceration and expanded pretrial supervision including electronic monitoring, all of which is going to lead to more incarceration,” said John Raphling, a researcher for Human Rights Watch in Los Angeles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Raphling wants voters to reject Proposition 25. Since the ballot measure is a referendum on SB 10, which was \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11689184/gov-brown-signs-bill-ending-cash-bail-in-california\">signed by then-Gov. Jerry Brown\u003c/a> in 2018 — a \"yes\" vote will allow the legislation to take effect and a \"no\" vote would overturn the law. Under state law, a referendum puts a new law on hold until voters can weigh in — meaning the 2018 law never went into effect. If Proposition 25 passes, California would become the first state in the nation to completely outlaw money bail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 25’s backers say Raphling and other opponents are wrong, and that the measure will actually lead to fewer people being held in jail pretrial, and make the system more fair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Bauters, budget advocacy director for the criminal justice reform group Californians for Safety and Justice, pointed to a study by the Public Policy Institute of California which found that the change would result in more than 142,000 people each year spending less time in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bauters said the new system that would be set up under Proposition 25 would ensure that people don’t lose their jobs, their homes or custody of their kids while they languish in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There's tons of statistics and data about how people who are held pretrial are more likely to plead guilty to things they didn't commit,” he said. “People who are released pretrial actually get a more pure form of justice.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What Does the Law Do?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The 2018 bill, SB 10, made money bail illegal in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If voters decide to uphold SB 10 by passing Proposition 25, the state would replace bail with a system that generally requires people arrested for misdemeanors to be automatically let go before trial — and for those accused of violent felonies to be kept in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those accused of lower-level felonies would go before a judge who could keep them in jail or put conditions on their release. Those conditions could include things like mandatory drug treatment, or a weekly probation check-in. The judge’s decision would in part be based on the results of a risk assessment tool that would essentially measure a person’s likelihood of re-offending or skipping out on court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Each county would have to adopt their own risk assessment tool.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those tools — based on algorithms that 'learn' more about risk profiles as more data about criminal defendants is entered into them — have become one of the flash points for those opposed to the bail law and Proposition 25.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Too Much Power for Algorithms and Judges?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Raphling, for example, warns that these risk assessment tools could be biased or misleading themselves, noting that someone’s risk of being rearrested can be as much about policing decisions and the color of their skin as that person’s actual conduct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The bail bond industry is a parasite. They are bloodsuckers. But the blood wouldn't be available to them if it wasn't for judges and law enforcement.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"John Raphling, Human Rights Watch researcher","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>What Proposition 25 does, he said, is make these algorithms “the gatekeeper” to someone’s freedom before trial. And even more concerning, he and other opponents say, is that the entire system gives judges way too much power to decide who leaves and who stays in jail before a trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If you're low risk, then (under Prop. 25) you're likely to get out — but the judges can always override any decision of risk assessment,” he said. “In my research, I've found that they overwhelmingly override in favor of locking people up ... and there's real questions about the accuracy of those (risk assessments).\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Insha Rahman, a former public defender who is now vice president of advocacy and initiatives at the Vera Institute of Justice in New York, agrees. She said there’s no reason to think that judges would behave differently because Proposition 25 still gives them the power to hold people in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When it comes to public safety, across the board, we tend to just use our discretion to detain. That's what the system has historically done,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Decreasing Racial Bias?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>But Santa Barbara Probation Chief Tanja Heitman, whose county has been experimenting with alternatives to money bail, said she believes risk assessments can actually help reduce racial disparities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I will never suggest that risk assessments are perfect. They are an evolving science and they continue to improve,’ she said. “As long as there's over-policing in communities of color, as long as there is those inherent disparities in access to health care and educational employment opportunities, there's going to be disparities in arrest rates that are then going to impact the criminal justice system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in Santa Barbara County, she said, she has seen the risk assessments help erase racial biases in the juvenile criminal justice system. Youths of color are 2.6 times more likely to get arrested by law enforcement than white juveniles, she said; but their release rates were identical. The disparities among races reemerged when it came to charging decisions by prosecutors, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think probation officers are just as likely to allow biases unintentionally to creep into their decision making if they don't have an assessment tool to help guide them, if they don't have an assessment tool to ground to them,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Related Coverage ","tag":"bail"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>While many police and prosecutors groups oppose Proposition 25, Heitman and other probation officials believe it will make communities safer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We know that money bail doesn't make us safe, but allowing people to stay connected to their families, to continue working (while they await trial) — that's what's going to enable them to be successful and improve our community overall,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Raphling, however, points out that Heitman and other probation departments have an incentive to support Proposition 25: They will gain power and funding because their responsibilities will be expanded to include more pretrial defendants under the measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bail industry is funding the opposition. But Raphling said his opposition to Proposition 25 doesn’t mean he and others support that industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The bail bond industry is a parasite. They are bloodsuckers. But the blood wouldn't be available to them if it wasn't for judges and law enforcement,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If voters reject Proposition 25 — and with it, the 2018 law — supporters believe that state lawmakers would be prohibited from taking up the question of completely eliminating bail again, ensuring that the industry will continue to operate in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Raphling and others say the Legislature could still come up with an alternative system that would sideline the money bail industry without outlawing it altogether.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11841209/proposition-25-would-end-cash-bail-so-why-are-some-progressive-groups-against-it","authors":["3239"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_27508","news_18821","news_24889","news_18862","news_18538","news_24036","news_27370","news_17968","news_145"],"featImg":"news_11841456","label":"news"},"news_49390":{"type":"posts","id":"news_49390","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"49390","score":null,"sort":[1323389443000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"prop-8-hearing-on-trial-video-vaughn-walkers-same-sex-relationship","title":"Judges Hear Arguments on Prop 8 Trial Video, Judge Vaughn Walker's Same-Sex Relationship","publishDate":1323389443,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Judges Hear Arguments on Prop 8 Trial Video, Judge Vaughn Walker’s Same-Sex Relationship | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update Friday, Dec 9\u003c/strong>: You can listen to the complete audio archive of yesterday’s hearing below:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/blogs/newsfix/Prop8Video.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Part 1: Hearing on whether to release the Prop 8 trial video\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/blogs/newsfix/prop8recusal.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Part 2: Hearing on whether Judge Vaughn Walker should have recused himself because of his long-term same-sex relationship\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Also, here’s \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201112090850/a\">Scott Shafer’s report from this morning’s California Report\u003c/a>, where you’ll hear some of the highlights:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yesterday’s post\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nToday a 9th Circuit Court panel heard oral arguments on two ancillary issues in the long-running legal battle to decide the fate of Proposition 8, California’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage: Whether to release the video from the Proposition 8 trial, in which Judge Vaughn Walker ruled that Prop 8 was unconstitutional; and whether Walker had a conflict of interest because he was a gay man in a long-term relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update 7:25 p.m.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Scott Shafer reports:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will decide whether the federal judge who struck down California’s ban on same sex marriage last year should have disclosed his long-term relationship with another man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Judicial ethics and rules of disclosure require judges to reveal whether they have a personal interest in the outcome of a case before them. Supporters of Prop. 8 argue for that reason Judge Vaughn Walker should have disclosed he was in a long term relationship with another man — and whether he ever intended to marry him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charles Cooper, an attorney for Protect Marriage dot com, told an Appeals Court panel Thursday that a reasonable person could conclude that Judge Walker had a conflict of interest. But several judges questioned that notion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A married judge would never be able to hear a divorce?” asked Judge Michael Hawkins.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arguing for opponents of Prop. 8, attorney David Boies said the disclosure standard promoted by the other side would require any minority judge to reveal whether he or she might take advantage of a pro-civil rights ruling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Besides the issue of disclosure, the panel took up another question — whether the Prop. 8 trial tapes be unsealed and made public.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both of these issues will likely be settled before this same panel rules on the fundamental question — whether Prop. 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update: 5:00 p.m.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court has adjourned for the day. Scott Shafer will file a report later this evening. Check back later tonight for a blog post, and tune in to tomorrow’s \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">California Report\u003c/a> to hear his report on the proceedings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://twitter.com/#!/scottshafer\">Replay Scott Shafer’s live tweets from the courtroom\u003c/a> by clicking below\u003c/strong>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=f615dd43ac/height=550/width=470\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"470\" height=\"550\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For background, Scott Shafer \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/12/07/prop-8-9th-circuit-hears-oral-arguments-thursday-on-whether-judge-vaughn-walker-had-confict-of-interest-as-gay-man-in-long-term-relationship/\">explains\u003c/a> what was at stake today:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>1. An appeal of a \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.kqed.org/prop8/files/2011/12/District_court_order-to-release-tapes.pdf\">District court order to release the Prop. 8 trial tapes\u003c/a>. Plaintiff’s attorney Theodore Olson will argue the case for releasing the digital videos. Attorney Charles Cooper will speak on behalf of overturning the lower court’s decision and keeping the tapes sealed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>2. An appeal of a \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.kqed.org/prop8/files/2011/12/Motion-to-vacate.pdf\">decision rejecting efforts to have Judge Walker’s decision vacated\u003c/a> because he had a conflict of interest as a gay man in a long-term relationship. Mr. Cooper will argue for Prop. 8 proponents, while David Boies will present the oral arguments on behalf of the lower-court decision striking down the motion to vacate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both decisions were made in the past year by federal Judge James Ware, Chief Judge of the Northern District of California. Regarding the tapes, Judge Ware wrote that unsealing and releasing them to the public was in the public interest and necessary to maintain transparency in a case of such fundamental importance. His decision is supported by a coalition of media organizations, that includes Fox News, the NY Times and KQED among others. An attorney representing that coalition will participate in Thursday’s oral arguments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In strongly \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.kqed.org/prop8/files/2011/12/Doc-797-Order-Denying-Motion-to-Vacate.pdf\">rejecting the motion to vacate\u003c/a>, Judge Ware said that were Judge Walker required to recuse himself under federal statutes, all minority judges would have to recuse themselves from any case involving civil rights, something he said Congress could not have intended in writing the recusal statute.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Neither of these issues go to the central legal merits of the constitutionality of Prop. 8. That is especially true in the video tapes question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, the oral arguments regarding Judge Walker’s obligation to recuse himself because of his status as a gay man in a same sex relationship may reveal more about where the panel is heading.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>How forcefully will the panel of judges suggest that gay and lesbian rights are of interest to all American judges who care about a society with equality under the law, not just LGBT judges? Will they draw parallels with civil rights cases and minority judges, an indication they see gay rights on par with issues like interracial marriage, segregation and racial discrimination?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It may shed some light on where the panel is ultimately heading on the issue that is central to the appeal: Whether to uphold Judge Walker’s decision striking down Prop. 8. That decision will likely come next year, but not before the panel also rules on whether Prop. 8 proponents have legal standing to file the appeal in the first case.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here you can watch the \u003ca href=\"http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Vaugh/start/1987/stop/2213\">video clip of the trial\u003c/a>, used by Walker in a legal seminar, which prompted the battle over releasing the video.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1685490632,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":true,"iframeSrcs":["http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=f615dd43ac/height=550/width=470"],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":28,"wordCount":920},"headData":{"title":"Judges Hear Arguments on Prop 8 Trial Video, Judge Vaughn Walker's Same-Sex Relationship | KQED","description":"Update Friday, Dec 9: You can listen to the complete audio archive of yesterday's hearing below: Part 1: Hearing on whether to release the Prop 8 trial video Part 2: Hearing on whether Judge Vaughn Walker should have recused himself because of his long-term same-sex relationship Also, here's Scott Shafer's report from this morning's California","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Judges Hear Arguments on Prop 8 Trial Video, Judge Vaughn Walker's Same-Sex Relationship","datePublished":"2011-12-09T00:10:43.000Z","dateModified":"2023-05-30T23:50:32.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/49390/prop-8-hearing-on-trial-video-vaughn-walkers-same-sex-relationship","audioUrl":"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/blogs/newsfix/Prop8Video.mp3","audioDuration":null,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update Friday, Dec 9\u003c/strong>: You can listen to the complete audio archive of yesterday’s hearing below:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/blogs/newsfix/Prop8Video.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Part 1: Hearing on whether to release the Prop 8 trial video\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/blogs/newsfix/prop8recusal.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Part 2: Hearing on whether Judge Vaughn Walker should have recused himself because of his long-term same-sex relationship\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Also, here’s \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201112090850/a\">Scott Shafer’s report from this morning’s California Report\u003c/a>, where you’ll hear some of the highlights:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yesterday’s post\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nToday a 9th Circuit Court panel heard oral arguments on two ancillary issues in the long-running legal battle to decide the fate of Proposition 8, California’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage: Whether to release the video from the Proposition 8 trial, in which Judge Vaughn Walker ruled that Prop 8 was unconstitutional; and whether Walker had a conflict of interest because he was a gay man in a long-term relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update 7:25 p.m.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Scott Shafer reports:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will decide whether the federal judge who struck down California’s ban on same sex marriage last year should have disclosed his long-term relationship with another man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Judicial ethics and rules of disclosure require judges to reveal whether they have a personal interest in the outcome of a case before them. Supporters of Prop. 8 argue for that reason Judge Vaughn Walker should have disclosed he was in a long term relationship with another man — and whether he ever intended to marry him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charles Cooper, an attorney for Protect Marriage dot com, told an Appeals Court panel Thursday that a reasonable person could conclude that Judge Walker had a conflict of interest. But several judges questioned that notion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A married judge would never be able to hear a divorce?” asked Judge Michael Hawkins.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arguing for opponents of Prop. 8, attorney David Boies said the disclosure standard promoted by the other side would require any minority judge to reveal whether he or she might take advantage of a pro-civil rights ruling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Besides the issue of disclosure, the panel took up another question — whether the Prop. 8 trial tapes be unsealed and made public.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both of these issues will likely be settled before this same panel rules on the fundamental question — whether Prop. 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update: 5:00 p.m.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court has adjourned for the day. Scott Shafer will file a report later this evening. Check back later tonight for a blog post, and tune in to tomorrow’s \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">California Report\u003c/a> to hear his report on the proceedings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://twitter.com/#!/scottshafer\">Replay Scott Shafer’s live tweets from the courtroom\u003c/a> by clicking below\u003c/strong>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=f615dd43ac/height=550/width=470\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"470\" height=\"550\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For background, Scott Shafer \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/12/07/prop-8-9th-circuit-hears-oral-arguments-thursday-on-whether-judge-vaughn-walker-had-confict-of-interest-as-gay-man-in-long-term-relationship/\">explains\u003c/a> what was at stake today:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>1. An appeal of a \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.kqed.org/prop8/files/2011/12/District_court_order-to-release-tapes.pdf\">District court order to release the Prop. 8 trial tapes\u003c/a>. Plaintiff’s attorney Theodore Olson will argue the case for releasing the digital videos. Attorney Charles Cooper will speak on behalf of overturning the lower court’s decision and keeping the tapes sealed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>2. An appeal of a \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.kqed.org/prop8/files/2011/12/Motion-to-vacate.pdf\">decision rejecting efforts to have Judge Walker’s decision vacated\u003c/a> because he had a conflict of interest as a gay man in a long-term relationship. Mr. Cooper will argue for Prop. 8 proponents, while David Boies will present the oral arguments on behalf of the lower-court decision striking down the motion to vacate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both decisions were made in the past year by federal Judge James Ware, Chief Judge of the Northern District of California. Regarding the tapes, Judge Ware wrote that unsealing and releasing them to the public was in the public interest and necessary to maintain transparency in a case of such fundamental importance. His decision is supported by a coalition of media organizations, that includes Fox News, the NY Times and KQED among others. An attorney representing that coalition will participate in Thursday’s oral arguments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In strongly \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.kqed.org/prop8/files/2011/12/Doc-797-Order-Denying-Motion-to-Vacate.pdf\">rejecting the motion to vacate\u003c/a>, Judge Ware said that were Judge Walker required to recuse himself under federal statutes, all minority judges would have to recuse themselves from any case involving civil rights, something he said Congress could not have intended in writing the recusal statute.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Neither of these issues go to the central legal merits of the constitutionality of Prop. 8. That is especially true in the video tapes question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, the oral arguments regarding Judge Walker’s obligation to recuse himself because of his status as a gay man in a same sex relationship may reveal more about where the panel is heading.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>How forcefully will the panel of judges suggest that gay and lesbian rights are of interest to all American judges who care about a society with equality under the law, not just LGBT judges? Will they draw parallels with civil rights cases and minority judges, an indication they see gay rights on par with issues like interracial marriage, segregation and racial discrimination?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It may shed some light on where the panel is ultimately heading on the issue that is central to the appeal: Whether to uphold Judge Walker’s decision striking down Prop. 8. That decision will likely come next year, but not before the panel also rules on whether Prop. 8 proponents have legal standing to file the appeal in the first case.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here you can watch the \u003ca href=\"http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Vaugh/start/1987/stop/2213\">video clip of the trial\u003c/a>, used by Walker in a legal seminar, which prompted the battle over releasing the video.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/49390/prop-8-hearing-on-trial-video-vaughn-walkers-same-sex-relationship","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188"],"tags":["news_82","news_323","news_145","news_126","news_322","news_1244"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_31550":{"type":"posts","id":"news_31550","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"31550","score":null,"sort":[1308613634000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"will-the-legislature-have-its-pay-withheld-john-myers-explains-the-issues","title":"Will State Legislators Have Their Pay Withheld? ","publishDate":1308613634,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Update June 21:\u003c/em> The answer is \"\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/06/21/controller-john-chiang-halts-california-legislator-pay/\">yes\u003c/a>.\" \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When the legislature slipped Governor Jerry Brown a \u003ca href=\"http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/rss/ci_18281486\">budget\u003c/a> just under the wire, lawmakers thought they had met the requirement under Proposition 25 to keep getting paid. That law, passed by voters in November, \u003ca href=\"http://www.sandiegonewsroom.org/news/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=43642:prop-25-poised-to-take-a-bite-out-of-state-lawmakers-paychecks-and-rightly-so&catid=55:legislative&Itemid=40\">withholds legislator pay\u003c/a> for every day after the June 15 constitutional deadline that there is no budget.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But complications have arisen, as they say. Brown \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/california-budget/ci_18289420\">vetoed\u003c/a> the budget, citing a surfeit of \"gimmicks\" -- questionable accounting maneuvers that eliminate the deficit on paper but in the real world... maybe not so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So \u003ca href=\"http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/17/3707359/dan-walters-if-california-legislators.html\">op-ed writers\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/18/3709706/anti-tax-group-threatens-lawsuit.html\">interest groups\u003c/a> are calling for the guy who issues the checks, \u003ca href=\"http://www.sco.ca.gov/\">state controller John Chiang\u003c/a>, to stop paying the legislature.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Will he or won't he? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the following interview KQED's John Myers breaks down the issues for us. A summary of his answers appear after each audio clip.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay1.mp3\">John Myers: Prop 25 and Prop 58 as they pertain to legislators' pay\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay1.mp3|titles=myerspay1]\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_25,_Majority_Vote_for_Legislature_to_Pass_the_Budget_%282010%29\">Prop 25\u003c/a> says legislators must submit a budget by June 15 in order to get paid. A previous initiative, \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_58_%282004%29\">Prop 58\u003c/a>, says the budget must be balanced. Does the budget submitted (and vetoed) by the governor quality as \"balanced\"? And does the controller have the power to make that decision? Currently, only the legislature and the governor decide that, by virtue of their agreement on a document -- the budget -- that states it to be the case.\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay1.mp3\">\u003cem>How \"gimmicky\" is this budget compared to others deemed to be balanced?\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay2.mp3|titles=myerspay2]\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Myers says this budget isn't more gimmicky, and is probably less so, than in previous years in which such questionable maneuvers as moving the pay date of state workers by one day were used in order to eliminate the deficit on paper.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All budgets are based on assumptions of what expenses and revenues will be, and California has had years in which revenue turned out much better or worse than the estimate. The question is whether that initial calculation is realistic or not. \u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay31.mp3\">\u003cem>Is this a predicament or an opportunity for Controller John Chiang?\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay31.mp3|titles=myerspay3]\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Editorials and the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association are calling for Chiang to withhold lawmakers' salaries. But legislators believe they have met the requirement to submit an on-time budget and should keep receiving their salaries. Though Chiang is squarely in the middle of this debate, there's a good chance that it will end up in court no matter what he decides.\n \u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay41.mp3\">\u003cem>How much of a factor was the pay issue in getting the legislature to submit an on-time budget?\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay41.mp3|titles=myerspay4]\u003c/p>\n\u003cli>A lot of people believe the budget submitted just under the deadline was motivated by the pay issue, but that may be overstating it, Myers says. As much as anything, Democrats were mindful that this was the first year they were able to pass a budget with a simple majority vote, and they were thinking in terms of public perception. Still, a lot of legislators are not wealthy people and they do want to get paid.\n\u003cp>One thing to keep in mind: The amount of money at stake, ab out $50,000 per day, is really symbolic when weighed against the overall annual budget of $113 billion. But the issue is politically powerful. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay5.mp3\">\u003cem>If their pay is withheld, can they ever get it back?\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay5.mp3|titles=myerspay5]\u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>Nope. California is now the only state that would basically dock legislators' pay. Plus they would lose their per diem, roughly $140 daily in expenses.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay61.mp3\">\u003cem>The bottom line\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay61.mp3|titles=myerspay6]\u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>The legislature is held in extremely low esteem by the public, and people are looking for someone to blame.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The controller says he'll make the decision this week. His staff is weighing the necessity of considering Prop 25's requirement to pass an on-time budget in the context of Prop 58's mandate that the budget be balanced, as well as the fact that the controller has no power under the state constitution other than to write the checks. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's also a separation fo powers issue: Should controllers be given the power to unilaterally decide what is a balanced budget and what isn't, in light of their newly created ability to make legislators suffer financial hardship? \u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1308686709,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":22,"wordCount":800},"headData":{"title":"Will State Legislators Have Their Pay Withheld? | KQED","description":"Update June 21: The answer is "yes." When the legislature slipped Governor Jerry Brown a budget just under the wire, lawmakers thought they had met the requirement under Proposition 25 to keep getting paid. That law, passed by voters in November, withholds legislator pay for every day after the June 15 constitutional deadline that there","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Will State Legislators Have Their Pay Withheld? ","datePublished":"2011-06-20T23:47:14.000Z","dateModified":"2011-06-21T20:05:09.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"31550 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=31550","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/06/20/will-the-legislature-have-its-pay-withheld-john-myers-explains-the-issues/","disqusTitle":"Will State Legislators Have Their Pay Withheld? ","path":"/news/31550/will-the-legislature-have-its-pay-withheld-john-myers-explains-the-issues","audioUrl":"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/files/2011/06/myerspay1.mp3","audioDuration":null,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Update June 21:\u003c/em> The answer is \"\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/06/21/controller-john-chiang-halts-california-legislator-pay/\">yes\u003c/a>.\" \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When the legislature slipped Governor Jerry Brown a \u003ca href=\"http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/rss/ci_18281486\">budget\u003c/a> just under the wire, lawmakers thought they had met the requirement under Proposition 25 to keep getting paid. That law, passed by voters in November, \u003ca href=\"http://www.sandiegonewsroom.org/news/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=43642:prop-25-poised-to-take-a-bite-out-of-state-lawmakers-paychecks-and-rightly-so&catid=55:legislative&Itemid=40\">withholds legislator pay\u003c/a> for every day after the June 15 constitutional deadline that there is no budget.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But complications have arisen, as they say. Brown \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/california-budget/ci_18289420\">vetoed\u003c/a> the budget, citing a surfeit of \"gimmicks\" -- questionable accounting maneuvers that eliminate the deficit on paper but in the real world... maybe not so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So \u003ca href=\"http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/17/3707359/dan-walters-if-california-legislators.html\">op-ed writers\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/18/3709706/anti-tax-group-threatens-lawsuit.html\">interest groups\u003c/a> are calling for the guy who issues the checks, \u003ca href=\"http://www.sco.ca.gov/\">state controller John Chiang\u003c/a>, to stop paying the legislature.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Will he or won't he? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the following interview KQED's John Myers breaks down the issues for us. A summary of his answers appear after each audio clip.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay1.mp3\">John Myers: Prop 25 and Prop 58 as they pertain to legislators' pay\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay1.mp3|titles=myerspay1"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay1.mp3|titles=myerspay1"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_25,_Majority_Vote_for_Legislature_to_Pass_the_Budget_%282010%29\">Prop 25\u003c/a> says legislators must submit a budget by June 15 in order to get paid. A previous initiative, \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_58_%282004%29\">Prop 58\u003c/a>, says the budget must be balanced. Does the budget submitted (and vetoed) by the governor quality as \"balanced\"? And does the controller have the power to make that decision? Currently, only the legislature and the governor decide that, by virtue of their agreement on a document -- the budget -- that states it to be the case.\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay1.mp3\">\u003cem>How \"gimmicky\" is this budget compared to others deemed to be balanced?\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay2.mp3|titles=myerspay2"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay2.mp3|titles=myerspay2"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Myers says this budget isn't more gimmicky, and is probably less so, than in previous years in which such questionable maneuvers as moving the pay date of state workers by one day were used in order to eliminate the deficit on paper.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All budgets are based on assumptions of what expenses and revenues will be, and California has had years in which revenue turned out much better or worse than the estimate. The question is whether that initial calculation is realistic or not. \u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay31.mp3\">\u003cem>Is this a predicament or an opportunity for Controller John Chiang?\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay31.mp3|titles=myerspay3"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay31.mp3|titles=myerspay3"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Editorials and the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association are calling for Chiang to withhold lawmakers' salaries. But legislators believe they have met the requirement to submit an on-time budget and should keep receiving their salaries. Though Chiang is squarely in the middle of this debate, there's a good chance that it will end up in court no matter what he decides.\n \u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay41.mp3\">\u003cem>How much of a factor was the pay issue in getting the legislature to submit an on-time budget?\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay41.mp3|titles=myerspay4"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay41.mp3|titles=myerspay4"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cli>A lot of people believe the budget submitted just under the deadline was motivated by the pay issue, but that may be overstating it, Myers says. As much as anything, Democrats were mindful that this was the first year they were able to pass a budget with a simple majority vote, and they were thinking in terms of public perception. Still, a lot of legislators are not wealthy people and they do want to get paid.\n\u003cp>One thing to keep in mind: The amount of money at stake, ab out $50,000 per day, is really symbolic when weighed against the overall annual budget of $113 billion. But the issue is politically powerful. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay5.mp3\">\u003cem>If their pay is withheld, can they ever get it back?\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay5.mp3|titles=myerspay5"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay5.mp3|titles=myerspay5"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>Nope. California is now the only state that would basically dock legislators' pay. Plus they would lose their per diem, roughly $140 daily in expenses.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay61.mp3\">\u003cem>The bottom line\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay61.mp3|titles=myerspay6"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/myerspay61.mp3|titles=myerspay6"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>The legislature is held in extremely low esteem by the public, and people are looking for someone to blame.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The controller says he'll make the decision this week. His staff is weighing the necessity of considering Prop 25's requirement to pass an on-time budget in the context of Prop 58's mandate that the budget be balanced, as well as the fact that the controller has no power under the state constitution other than to write the checks. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's also a separation fo powers issue: Should controllers be given the power to unilaterally decide what is a balanced budget and what isn't, in light of their newly created ability to make legislators suffer financial hardship? \u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/31550/will-the-legislature-have-its-pay-withheld-john-myers-explains-the-issues","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_13"],"tags":["news_152","news_592","news_43","news_145","news_71"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_29534":{"type":"posts","id":"news_29534","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"29534","score":null,"sort":[1307044577000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"state-controller-says-hell-withold-legislators-paychecks-to-legislators-paychecks-if-budget-isnt-on-time","title":"State Controller Says He'll Withold Legislators' Paychecks if Budget Isn't On Time","publishDate":1307044577,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>State Controller John Chiang announced this morning that he plans to withold the paychecks of state legislators, starting June 16, if the lawmakers haven't submitted a balanced budget to the governor. The real tough love? \"Payments forfeited will not be paid retroactively.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_29544\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/johnchiang.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/johnchiang.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"johnchiang\" width=\"300\" height=\"193\" class=\"size-full wp-image-29544\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">State Controller John Chiang. (Photo: Armando Arorizo Bloomberg/Getty)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Chiang says he's just complying with the terms of \u003ca href=\"http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_25,_Majority_Vote_for_Legislature_to_Pass_the_Budget_(2010)\">Proposition 25\u003c/a>, the \"On-Time Budget Act of 2010,\" approved by voters last November. The initiative didn't say lawmakers must submit a \"balanced\" budget, just \"a budget bill\" by the longstanding June 15 deadline -- or forgo their paychecks. In recent weeks, some have \u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-legislature-pay-20110520,0,3218218.story\">suggested\u003c/a> that passing Gov. Jerry Brown's budget proposal in March was enough to satisfy the terms of Prop. 25, even though that proposal still leaves us with a deficit of about $10 billion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Chiang counters that Prop. 25 must be read in tandem with 2004's \"California Balanced Budget Act,\" Proposition 58, which specifically requires a budget bill that balances revenue and expenditures. As L.A. Times columnist George Skelton \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/23/local/la-me-cap-legislature-20110523/2\">noted recently\u003c/a>, \"It has been 25 years since the Legislature wrapped up its budget work by June 15.\" \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though the controller's stance is surely making some legislators ansy in private, Assembly Speaker John Perez publicly supported the move:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp> I support the Controller’s decision to withhold paychecks from the Legislature if we do not send a comprehensive, balanced budget to the Governor by our Constitutional deadline. I was a vocal supporter of Prop 25, and I do not believe we should even be talking about loopholes or ways to get around that provision because our focus needs to be on doing our job and passing a balanced budget.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Here's the full text of Chiang's statement, released Thursday morning:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp> In response to recent questions regarding the impact of Proposition 25, Controller John Chiang today announced he will permanently withhold Legislators’ salary and per diem beginning on June 16 if they fail to approve a balanced budget in the next two weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \"Presenting the Governor with a balanced budget by the Constitutional deadline is the most important, if not most difficult, job of the California Legislature,\" Chiang said. \"In passing Proposition 25 last November, voters clearly stated they expect their representatives to make the difficult decisions needed to resolve any budget shortfalls by the mandatory deadline, or be penalized. I will enforce the voters' demand.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> Proposition 25, titled the \"On-Time Budget Act of 2010,\" was approved by voters November 2, 2010. The initiative lowered the vote requirement for passing a budget from two-thirds to a simple majority. It also required members of the Legislature to forfeit their salary and reimbursement for travel and living expenses incurred from June 16 until \"the day that the budget bill is presented to the Governor.\" Payments forfeited will not be paid retroactively. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp> Recently, questions have been raised regarding whether the budget passed by the Legislature had to be balanced, or if the budget bills passed in March would suffice. The Controller's analysis of these issues concludes Proposition 25 cannot be read in a vacuum, and must take into account the provisions of \u003ca href=\"http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_58_(2004)\">Proposition 58\u003c/a> (passed by voters on March 2, 2004), the intent language found in Proposition 25, and the voter information and campaign materials upon which the voters relied.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 58 states, \"[T]he Legislature may not send to the Governor for consideration, nor may the Governor sign into law, a budget bill that would appropriate from the General Fund, for that fiscal year, a total amount that ...exceeds General Fund revenues for that fiscal year estimated as of the date of the budget bill’s passage.\" Because Propositions 58 and 25 overlap in the same section of the Constitution and address the same topic, they must be read together. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>And here is the controller's \u003ca href=\"http://www.sco.ca.gov/Files-EO/Prop_25_legal_opinion.pdf\">legal analysis\u003c/a>, underpinning Chiang's announcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Tyche Hendricks is the editor of The California Report's \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/specialcoverage/governingcalifornia/\">Governing California\u003c/a> blog.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1307047758,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":15,"wordCount":669},"headData":{"title":"State Controller Says He'll Withold Legislators' Paychecks if Budget Isn't On Time | KQED","description":"State Controller John Chiang announced this morning that he plans to withold the paychecks of state legislators, starting June 16, if the lawmakers haven't submitted a balanced budget to the governor. The real tough love? "Payments forfeited will not be paid retroactively." Chiang says he's just complying with the terms of Proposition 25, the "On-Time","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"State Controller Says He'll Withold Legislators' Paychecks if Budget Isn't On Time","datePublished":"2011-06-02T19:56:17.000Z","dateModified":"2011-06-02T20:49:18.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"29534 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=29534","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/06/02/state-controller-says-hell-withold-legislators-paychecks-to-legislators-paychecks-if-budget-isnt-on-time/","disqusTitle":"State Controller Says He'll Withold Legislators' Paychecks if Budget Isn't On Time","path":"/news/29534/state-controller-says-hell-withold-legislators-paychecks-to-legislators-paychecks-if-budget-isnt-on-time","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>State Controller John Chiang announced this morning that he plans to withold the paychecks of state legislators, starting June 16, if the lawmakers haven't submitted a balanced budget to the governor. The real tough love? \"Payments forfeited will not be paid retroactively.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_29544\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/johnchiang.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/06/johnchiang.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"johnchiang\" width=\"300\" height=\"193\" class=\"size-full wp-image-29544\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">State Controller John Chiang. (Photo: Armando Arorizo Bloomberg/Getty)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Chiang says he's just complying with the terms of \u003ca href=\"http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_25,_Majority_Vote_for_Legislature_to_Pass_the_Budget_(2010)\">Proposition 25\u003c/a>, the \"On-Time Budget Act of 2010,\" approved by voters last November. The initiative didn't say lawmakers must submit a \"balanced\" budget, just \"a budget bill\" by the longstanding June 15 deadline -- or forgo their paychecks. In recent weeks, some have \u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-legislature-pay-20110520,0,3218218.story\">suggested\u003c/a> that passing Gov. Jerry Brown's budget proposal in March was enough to satisfy the terms of Prop. 25, even though that proposal still leaves us with a deficit of about $10 billion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Chiang counters that Prop. 25 must be read in tandem with 2004's \"California Balanced Budget Act,\" Proposition 58, which specifically requires a budget bill that balances revenue and expenditures. As L.A. Times columnist George Skelton \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/23/local/la-me-cap-legislature-20110523/2\">noted recently\u003c/a>, \"It has been 25 years since the Legislature wrapped up its budget work by June 15.\" \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though the controller's stance is surely making some legislators ansy in private, Assembly Speaker John Perez publicly supported the move:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp> I support the Controller’s decision to withhold paychecks from the Legislature if we do not send a comprehensive, balanced budget to the Governor by our Constitutional deadline. I was a vocal supporter of Prop 25, and I do not believe we should even be talking about loopholes or ways to get around that provision because our focus needs to be on doing our job and passing a balanced budget.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Here's the full text of Chiang's statement, released Thursday morning:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp> In response to recent questions regarding the impact of Proposition 25, Controller John Chiang today announced he will permanently withhold Legislators’ salary and per diem beginning on June 16 if they fail to approve a balanced budget in the next two weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \"Presenting the Governor with a balanced budget by the Constitutional deadline is the most important, if not most difficult, job of the California Legislature,\" Chiang said. \"In passing Proposition 25 last November, voters clearly stated they expect their representatives to make the difficult decisions needed to resolve any budget shortfalls by the mandatory deadline, or be penalized. I will enforce the voters' demand.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> Proposition 25, titled the \"On-Time Budget Act of 2010,\" was approved by voters November 2, 2010. The initiative lowered the vote requirement for passing a budget from two-thirds to a simple majority. It also required members of the Legislature to forfeit their salary and reimbursement for travel and living expenses incurred from June 16 until \"the day that the budget bill is presented to the Governor.\" Payments forfeited will not be paid retroactively. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp> Recently, questions have been raised regarding whether the budget passed by the Legislature had to be balanced, or if the budget bills passed in March would suffice. The Controller's analysis of these issues concludes Proposition 25 cannot be read in a vacuum, and must take into account the provisions of \u003ca href=\"http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_58_(2004)\">Proposition 58\u003c/a> (passed by voters on March 2, 2004), the intent language found in Proposition 25, and the voter information and campaign materials upon which the voters relied.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 58 states, \"[T]he Legislature may not send to the Governor for consideration, nor may the Governor sign into law, a budget bill that would appropriate from the General Fund, for that fiscal year, a total amount that ...exceeds General Fund revenues for that fiscal year estimated as of the date of the budget bill’s passage.\" Because Propositions 58 and 25 overlap in the same section of the Constitution and address the same topic, they must be read together. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>And here is the controller's \u003ca href=\"http://www.sco.ca.gov/Files-EO/Prop_25_legal_opinion.pdf\">legal analysis\u003c/a>, underpinning Chiang's announcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Tyche Hendricks is the editor of The California Report's \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/specialcoverage/governingcalifornia/\">Governing California\u003c/a> blog.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/29534/state-controller-says-hell-withold-legislators-paychecks-to-legislators-paychecks-if-budget-isnt-on-time","authors":["259"],"programs":["news_6944"],"tags":["news_152","news_592","news_145","news_71"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_5647":{"type":"posts","id":"news_5647","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"5647","score":null,"sort":[1290027933000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"scott-shafer-and-john-myers-on-props-2526","title":"Scott Shafer and John Myers on Props 25/26","publishDate":1290027933,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>It was a very busy election season, you may recall. Not only did you need to ready for Act II of that age-old political drama, titled \"President Loses House,\" but for your average California voter, proposition preparation was particularly laborious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most of the pre-election focus centered on Proposition 19, marijuana legalization; and Proposition 23, an attempt to derail California's landmark greenhouse-gas reduction law. But while both of those failed at the ballot box, two under-the-radar initiatives, which may end up fundamentally changing the way California is governed, passed. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_25,_Majority_Vote_for_Legislature_to_Pass_the_Budget_%282010%29\">Proposition 25\u003c/a> lowers the required vote margin to pass the state budget from two-thirds to a simple majority. \u003ca href=\"http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/propositions/26/\">Proposition 26\u003c/a>, however, goes in the opposite direction, upping the votes needed for state, county, and city governments to levy certain fees, from a simple majority to two-thirds. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One noteworthy aspect about these twin victories: Proponents of 25 folded opposition to 26 into their campaign, and proponents of 26 did the same regarding 25. But since both measures passed, both blocs won. And lost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked KQED's two policy and political wonks, Scott Shafer and John Myers, what they make of the 25/26 situation. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nOn a broad level, the Dems/unions were pro-25, anti-26; Considering that they each only got half of what they want, who came out ahead? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>JOHN MYERS\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nI think the election results are a version of what Cold War political scientists used to call \"mutually assured destruction,\" where both sides launch their missles without regard to whether an attack wipes them out, too. That said, I think the passage of Prop 26 will have a bigger policy impact than the passage of Prop 25, while 25 will have the bigger political impact. Prop 26 is a far-reaching change in the imposition of fees, modifying governing decisions made on both the state and local level. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prop 25, while a noteworthy change to the annual budget dance, will have the largest impact in short-term demands that the business community traditionally makes through Republicans, who then hold out on a budget deal. But the bottom line is that organized labor and big business both won... and lost... \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nI think Prop. 26 was the sleeper initiative. Didn’t get much attention, totally overshadowed by the other races. But in terms of impact it could be big. The League of California Cities led the No on 26 campaign, such as it was, because their members worried this would hamstring them further in efforts to generate revenue. The Yes on 26 folks said that’s exactly the point – that increasingly fees are just an easier way to raise revenue than taxes, not legitimately tied to a particular service or benefit to the payer.\u003cbr>\n\u003c!--more-->\u003cbr>\n\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nWhat fees are covered under Prop 26? And are only future fees affected, or will 26 be applied retroactively? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>JOHN MYERS\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nProp 26's most immediate effect will be its impact on last year's state budget deal. That budget included a complicated \"tax swap\" element, which shuffled and redistributed some of the gas taxes collected at the pump. The effect on consumers was zero -- but the transfer of those revenues to state coffers and away from local coffers was big. The passage of Prop 26 (along with Prop 22) could result in about $1 billion in additional budget red ink, plus what may be an additional $1 billion in short-term cash woes.\u003cbr>\n \u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cbr>\n\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nIt IS retroactive to January 1, 2010 so it captures that gas tax/fee deal. It could also apply to any local measures passed during that time that do not meet the new definition of fees.\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nOpponents portrayed Prop 26 as a giveaway to big business in that many fees levied on certain industries will now require a two-thirds super-majority. But do some of these fees end up being paid by consumers? And does 26 impact any fees paid DIRECTLY by individuals, not businesses? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SCOTT SHAFER\u003cbr>\nCritics of fees say businesses never really pay them because they just get passed on to their customers. There’s some truth in that. Prop. 26 DOES apply to fees potentially paid by consumers. For example several weeks ago Mayor Newsom vetoed a fee on alcoholic beverages that would have been paid by patrons of bars and restaurants. Now that will be considered a tax and require a 2/3 vote. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nA legal question: How can a statewide vote dictate the revenue-gathering policies of individual cities and counties? So you have San Francisco, for example, voting against 26, yet now the city is still subject to its mandates...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>JOHN MYERS\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nRemember that Prop 26 was an amendment to the state constitution, the document which governs everyone. Constitutional amendments can, and often have, dictated both state and local government actions. Proposition 13, for example, is a constitutional amendment, forbidding local governments from raising property taxes beyond certain levels...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nYes, it's no different from, say, Proposition 8 which prevented SF from performing gay marriages even though the city voted against it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nWere the Democrats outmaneuvered on this one? They win 25, so now they can pass a budget without having to deal with Republicans. But they can’t raise any revenue under Prop 13 and can’t institute new fees under Prop 26. So isn’t it like, they now have all the responsibility without any of the authority?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>JOHN MYERS\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nRemember that Prop 25 is an amendment to the state constitution, so it will apply in both good and bad years. In years where there's plenty of revenue, there will be very few restraints for the majority party (which, hard as it is to believe now, may not always be Democrats!). In lean years, yes, it will limit the choices. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But remember that this year's $20 billion deficit fix included no new taxes and no new fees; it closed the gap through spending cuts, presumed borrowing (mostly from the feds), and funding shifts/transfers. With that in mind, might that mean the budget would have been agreed to months earlier under 25? Perhaps.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The more intriguing question for me is whether majority Democrats will now start to splinter when it comes time to pass a budget. Will the most liberal or moderate Democrats in the Legislature start to hold out for their own specific demands, much in the way GOP legislators did? It seems possible; after all, during this fall's budget impasse some liberal Dems had to have their arms twisted mightily by leaders to vote for some of the deepest spending cuts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nWhat John said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nHow will AB 32, California's law aimed at reducing greenhouse gases, be affected by Prop 26? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nTo a certain extent environmentalists may have overstated the harm Prop. 26 would do to environmental regulation. The measure EXCLUDES many fees, which will allow simple majority votes to pass them. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, Prop. 26 does in fact require that a charge imposed for a regulatory program designed to mitigate the social or economic burdens created by the operations of fee payers be treated as a TAX. This likely means for example that the California Air Resources Board’s (CARB) fee imposed on the source of greenhouse gas emissions to pay for implementation of AB 32 would be considered a tax, requiring a 2/3 vote. That’s a very stiff barrier to enacting those charges on polluters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That said, ALL of this will end up in the courts for years to come.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1290028467,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":1281},"headData":{"title":"Scott Shafer and John Myers on Props 25/26 | KQED","description":"It was a very busy election season, you may recall. Not only did you need to ready for Act II of that age-old political drama, titled "President Loses House," but for your average California voter, proposition preparation was particularly laborious. 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Not only did you need to ready for Act II of that age-old political drama, titled \"President Loses House,\" but for your average California voter, proposition preparation was particularly laborious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most of the pre-election focus centered on Proposition 19, marijuana legalization; and Proposition 23, an attempt to derail California's landmark greenhouse-gas reduction law. But while both of those failed at the ballot box, two under-the-radar initiatives, which may end up fundamentally changing the way California is governed, passed. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_25,_Majority_Vote_for_Legislature_to_Pass_the_Budget_%282010%29\">Proposition 25\u003c/a> lowers the required vote margin to pass the state budget from two-thirds to a simple majority. \u003ca href=\"http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/propositions/26/\">Proposition 26\u003c/a>, however, goes in the opposite direction, upping the votes needed for state, county, and city governments to levy certain fees, from a simple majority to two-thirds. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One noteworthy aspect about these twin victories: Proponents of 25 folded opposition to 26 into their campaign, and proponents of 26 did the same regarding 25. But since both measures passed, both blocs won. And lost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked KQED's two policy and political wonks, Scott Shafer and John Myers, what they make of the 25/26 situation. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nOn a broad level, the Dems/unions were pro-25, anti-26; Considering that they each only got half of what they want, who came out ahead? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>JOHN MYERS\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nI think the election results are a version of what Cold War political scientists used to call \"mutually assured destruction,\" where both sides launch their missles without regard to whether an attack wipes them out, too. That said, I think the passage of Prop 26 will have a bigger policy impact than the passage of Prop 25, while 25 will have the bigger political impact. Prop 26 is a far-reaching change in the imposition of fees, modifying governing decisions made on both the state and local level. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prop 25, while a noteworthy change to the annual budget dance, will have the largest impact in short-term demands that the business community traditionally makes through Republicans, who then hold out on a budget deal. But the bottom line is that organized labor and big business both won... and lost... \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nI think Prop. 26 was the sleeper initiative. Didn’t get much attention, totally overshadowed by the other races. But in terms of impact it could be big. The League of California Cities led the No on 26 campaign, such as it was, because their members worried this would hamstring them further in efforts to generate revenue. The Yes on 26 folks said that’s exactly the point – that increasingly fees are just an easier way to raise revenue than taxes, not legitimately tied to a particular service or benefit to the payer.\u003cbr>\n\u003c!--more-->\u003cbr>\n\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nWhat fees are covered under Prop 26? And are only future fees affected, or will 26 be applied retroactively? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>JOHN MYERS\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nProp 26's most immediate effect will be its impact on last year's state budget deal. That budget included a complicated \"tax swap\" element, which shuffled and redistributed some of the gas taxes collected at the pump. The effect on consumers was zero -- but the transfer of those revenues to state coffers and away from local coffers was big. The passage of Prop 26 (along with Prop 22) could result in about $1 billion in additional budget red ink, plus what may be an additional $1 billion in short-term cash woes.\u003cbr>\n \u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cbr>\n\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nIt IS retroactive to January 1, 2010 so it captures that gas tax/fee deal. It could also apply to any local measures passed during that time that do not meet the new definition of fees.\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nOpponents portrayed Prop 26 as a giveaway to big business in that many fees levied on certain industries will now require a two-thirds super-majority. But do some of these fees end up being paid by consumers? And does 26 impact any fees paid DIRECTLY by individuals, not businesses? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SCOTT SHAFER\u003cbr>\nCritics of fees say businesses never really pay them because they just get passed on to their customers. There’s some truth in that. Prop. 26 DOES apply to fees potentially paid by consumers. For example several weeks ago Mayor Newsom vetoed a fee on alcoholic beverages that would have been paid by patrons of bars and restaurants. Now that will be considered a tax and require a 2/3 vote. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nA legal question: How can a statewide vote dictate the revenue-gathering policies of individual cities and counties? So you have San Francisco, for example, voting against 26, yet now the city is still subject to its mandates...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>JOHN MYERS\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nRemember that Prop 26 was an amendment to the state constitution, the document which governs everyone. Constitutional amendments can, and often have, dictated both state and local government actions. Proposition 13, for example, is a constitutional amendment, forbidding local governments from raising property taxes beyond certain levels...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nYes, it's no different from, say, Proposition 8 which prevented SF from performing gay marriages even though the city voted against it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nWere the Democrats outmaneuvered on this one? They win 25, so now they can pass a budget without having to deal with Republicans. But they can’t raise any revenue under Prop 13 and can’t institute new fees under Prop 26. So isn’t it like, they now have all the responsibility without any of the authority?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>JOHN MYERS\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nRemember that Prop 25 is an amendment to the state constitution, so it will apply in both good and bad years. In years where there's plenty of revenue, there will be very few restraints for the majority party (which, hard as it is to believe now, may not always be Democrats!). In lean years, yes, it will limit the choices. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But remember that this year's $20 billion deficit fix included no new taxes and no new fees; it closed the gap through spending cuts, presumed borrowing (mostly from the feds), and funding shifts/transfers. With that in mind, might that mean the budget would have been agreed to months earlier under 25? Perhaps.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The more intriguing question for me is whether majority Democrats will now start to splinter when it comes time to pass a budget. Will the most liberal or moderate Democrats in the Legislature start to hold out for their own specific demands, much in the way GOP legislators did? It seems possible; after all, during this fall's budget impasse some liberal Dems had to have their arms twisted mightily by leaders to vote for some of the deepest spending cuts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nWhat John said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>QUESTION\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nHow will AB 32, California's law aimed at reducing greenhouse gases, be affected by Prop 26? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>SCOTT SHAFER\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nTo a certain extent environmentalists may have overstated the harm Prop. 26 would do to environmental regulation. The measure EXCLUDES many fees, which will allow simple majority votes to pass them. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, Prop. 26 does in fact require that a charge imposed for a regulatory program designed to mitigate the social or economic burdens created by the operations of fee payers be treated as a TAX. This likely means for example that the California Air Resources Board’s (CARB) fee imposed on the source of greenhouse gas emissions to pay for implementation of AB 32 would be considered a tax, requiring a 2/3 vote. 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