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Mark DeSaulnier, Barbara Lee, John Garamendi and Jared Huffman also signed the letter, which 40 U.S. representatives signed in all. Rep. Ro Khanna also indicated his desire to sign on the social media platform X.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Congressman Mark DeSaulnier, whose district includes parts of the East Bay, has advocated for a temporary cease-fire to facilitate the return of hostages and improve humanitarian aid access in Gaza since the start of the war. In an interview with KQED, he said this message was part of those efforts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It just seemed to me, and to us, given what happened with the aid workers, it’s just one more message, that this has got to stop,” Rep. 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Garamendi said. \u003cspan class=\"c-message__edited_label\" dir=\"ltr\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The letter is one of the strongest rebukes yet of President Biden’s stance on the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas, which is set to enter its seventh month tomorrow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Related Stories ","postid":"news_11981650,forum_2010101905110,news_11973881"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The Israeli military on Friday \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-world-central-kitchen-gaza-aid-workers-69b6176362dafc8e4e2754b2342faa1d\">dismissed two officers\u003c/a> and reprimanded three others for their roles in the airstrike that killed the World Central Kitchen workers, saying they mishandled critical information and violated the army’s rules of engagement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The letter calls on Biden to put conditions on any current and future aid transfers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We again urge you to ensure that any future military assistance to Israel, including already authorized transfers, is subject to conditions to ensure it is used in compliance with U.S. and international law.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A statement from The White House on Thursday said that President Biden spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, where he “emphasized that the strikes on humanitarian workers and the overall humanitarian situation are unacceptable.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biden also reportedly told Prime Minister Netanyahu that “an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize and improve the humanitarian situation and protect innocent civilians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Annelise Finney contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11982112/bay-area-members-of-congress-tell-biden-to-halt-offensive-aid-to-israel","authors":["11785"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_20149","news_27626","news_33673","news_33333","news_177","news_30743"],"featImg":"news_11982113","label":"news"},"news_11975357":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11975357","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11975357","score":null,"sort":[1707602535000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"nancy-pelosi-gives-49ers-fan-window-seat-on-flight-to-super-bowl","title":"Nancy Pelosi Gives 49ers Fan Window Seat on Flight to Super Bowl","publishDate":1707602535,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Nancy Pelosi Gives 49ers Fan Window Seat on Flight to Super Bowl | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>A San Francisco 49ers fan on a sold-out flight from San Francisco to Las Vegas had an unexpected upgrade on Saturday: A window seat, courtesy of Speaker Emerita of the U.S. House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tennyson Wilson, who grew up and lives in the city, was one of the last people to board the rambunctious flight headed to the Super Bowl on Saturday. He almost didn’t believe it when he realized who he was sitting next to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975359\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11975359\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tennyson Wilson waits on the passenger ramp at SFO in San Francisco to board a flight to Las Vegas, unaware that he’ll be sitting next to Nancy and Paul Pelosi, on Feb. 10, 2024 \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“She was very nice. I originally had the middle seat and she offered to give me the window seat which was awesome. I think she read like five newspapers,” Wilson told KQED. “It was cool watching the machine work. It was like sitting next to your grandma, but doing way more work.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two chatted about their shared love of the 49ers and big hopes for the weekend’s outcome. On Sunday, the 49ers will play the Kansas City Chiefs. The two teams faced off in the Super Bowl in 2020, when the 49ers lost 20–31.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975360\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11975360\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nancy and Paul Pelosi step into the aisle to allow Tennyson Wilson to take his seat by the window on a flight from SFO to Las Vegas in San Francisco on Feb. 10, 2024 \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A win this weekend will be a big deal for 49s fans all over who have been waiting nearly three decades for another Super Bowl win.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We talked about the Baltimore Superbowl when the lights went out,” said Wilson, who was traveling with his wife and friend, who sat a few rows behind. He said Pelosi seems “pretty confident in Brock Purdy in the Niners” and said they talked about “the excitement of just being here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975379\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11975379 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi and Tennyson Wilson chat together on the flight from San Francisco to Las Vegas on Feb. 10, 2024. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The U.S. representative was traveling to the game with husband Paul Pelosi. KQED asked Pelosi if this was his first Super Bowl. “Hell no,” he told KQED. “We’ve been to every Super Bowl the Niners have been in,” including in 1990 in New Orleans when the team beat the Broncos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As for his thoughts on this year’s odds, Pelosi said, “that’s why we play the game.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975361\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11975361 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alaska Airlines flight #13 lands in Las Vegas on Feb. 10, 2024. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Wilson and the Pelosis were on a packed flight full of Niners fans heading off to Vegas. Many had plans to go inside the game, while others were traveling to be with friends and family in the area just to be close to the action.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before boarding, a DJ and Warriors hype man Franco Finn got fans pumped up for their travels at the gate. Everyone on the plane was given a free flight from Alaska Airlines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975362\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11975362 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tennyson Wilson stands up to deplane Alaska Airlines flight #13 on Feb. 10, 2024 \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Neil Liwanag of San Mateo even snagged a second free flight before takeoff for answering a Niners trivia question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I went to five road games this year. We’re just the best fan base,” Liwanag told KQED. He was feeling nervous heading into the big game, but had high hopes climbing on the flight Saturday morning. “I gotta be faithful and I gotta believe in my team.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975413\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11975413 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tennyson Wilson and his wife walk through Harry Reid International airport in Las Vegas on Feb. 10, 2024. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The former Speaker of the House sported Niners gear on the short flight from San Francisco to Las Vegas, where the 49es will play the Chiefs in Sunday's Super Bowl LVIII. 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","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11975357/nancy-pelosi-gives-49ers-fan-window-seat-on-flight-to-super-bowl","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A San Francisco 49ers fan on a sold-out flight from San Francisco to Las Vegas had an unexpected upgrade on Saturday: A window seat, courtesy of Speaker Emerita of the U.S. House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tennyson Wilson, who grew up and lives in the city, was one of the last people to board the rambunctious flight headed to the Super Bowl on Saturday. He almost didn’t believe it when he realized who he was sitting next to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975359\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11975359\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-02-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tennyson Wilson waits on the passenger ramp at SFO in San Francisco to board a flight to Las Vegas, unaware that he’ll be sitting next to Nancy and Paul Pelosi, on Feb. 10, 2024 \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“She was very nice. I originally had the middle seat and she offered to give me the window seat which was awesome. I think she read like five newspapers,” Wilson told KQED. “It was cool watching the machine work. It was like sitting next to your grandma, but doing way more work.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two chatted about their shared love of the 49ers and big hopes for the weekend’s outcome. On Sunday, the 49ers will play the Kansas City Chiefs. The two teams faced off in the Super Bowl in 2020, when the 49ers lost 20–31.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975360\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11975360\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-03-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nancy and Paul Pelosi step into the aisle to allow Tennyson Wilson to take his seat by the window on a flight from SFO to Las Vegas in San Francisco on Feb. 10, 2024 \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A win this weekend will be a big deal for 49s fans all over who have been waiting nearly three decades for another Super Bowl win.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We talked about the Baltimore Superbowl when the lights went out,” said Wilson, who was traveling with his wife and friend, who sat a few rows behind. He said Pelosi seems “pretty confident in Brock Purdy in the Niners” and said they talked about “the excitement of just being here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975379\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11975379 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSIS-SEATMATE-MD-08-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi and Tennyson Wilson chat together on the flight from San Francisco to Las Vegas on Feb. 10, 2024. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The U.S. representative was traveling to the game with husband Paul Pelosi. KQED asked Pelosi if this was his first Super Bowl. “Hell no,” he told KQED. “We’ve been to every Super Bowl the Niners have been in,” including in 1990 in New Orleans when the team beat the Broncos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As for his thoughts on this year’s odds, Pelosi said, “that’s why we play the game.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975361\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11975361 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-04-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alaska Airlines flight #13 lands in Las Vegas on Feb. 10, 2024. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Wilson and the Pelosis were on a packed flight full of Niners fans heading off to Vegas. Many had plans to go inside the game, while others were traveling to be with friends and family in the area just to be close to the action.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before boarding, a DJ and Warriors hype man Franco Finn got fans pumped up for their travels at the gate. Everyone on the plane was given a free flight from Alaska Airlines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975362\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11975362 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240210-NANCY-PELOSI-SEATMATE-MD-05-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tennyson Wilson stands up to deplane Alaska Airlines flight #13 on Feb. 10, 2024 \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Neil Liwanag of San Mateo even snagged a second free flight before takeoff for answering a Niners trivia question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I went to five road games this year. We’re just the best fan base,” Liwanag told KQED. He was feeling nervous heading into the big game, but had high hopes climbing on the flight Saturday morning. “I gotta be faithful and I gotta believe in my team.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11975413\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11975413 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/240211-NINERS-EMPIRE-IN-LAS-VEGAS-MD-17-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tennyson Wilson and his wife walk through Harry Reid International airport in Las Vegas on Feb. 10, 2024. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11975357/nancy-pelosi-gives-49ers-fan-window-seat-on-flight-to-super-bowl","authors":["11840"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_27626","news_177","news_505","news_111","news_783"],"featImg":"news_11975358","label":"news"},"news_11968645":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11968645","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11968645","score":null,"sort":[1701302423000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"david-depape-faces-second-trial-for-attempting-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-heres-why","title":"David DePape Faces Second Trial for Attempting to Kidnap Nancy Pelosi — Here’s Why","publishDate":1701302423,"format":"standard","headTitle":"David DePape Faces Second Trial for Attempting to Kidnap Nancy Pelosi — Here’s Why | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>A San Francisco judge has set a trial date for David DePape to face attempted murder and other state-level charges for attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi last year and striking her husband repeatedly in the head with a hammer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If that’s beginning to sound like deja vu, there’s good reason: DePape was already found guilty on federal charges of attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulting her husband after a weeklong trial earlier this month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But facing a second trial may mean it’s far more likely DePape will take a plea deal in his state case, experts told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Jessica Levinson, professor, Loyola Law School in Los Angeles\"]‘They may just find that there is a way to settle this without spending the time and resources necessary for a trial.’[/pullquote]When asked Wednesday if he would take a plea deal, DePape’s public defender, Adam Lipson, told reporters outside the courtroom, “Anything is possible.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two trials are related but distinct: The federal case \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967427/depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument\">hinged on the motivations for the attack and attempted kidnapping\u003c/a>, with both charges requiring a suspect intended to impede or interfere with a federal official’s duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This second trial, now set for Jan. 12, will see DePape face state charges, which by all accounts are far more straightforward. He’s accused of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary, false imprisonment and threatening the life or serious bodily harm to a public official.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11966865,news_11967247,news_11967180\" label=\"Related Stories\"]That may mean DePape faces even more time in prison for related crimes. And DePape’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967595/david-depape-found-guilty-in-paul-pelosi-hammer-attack\">guilty verdict in his federal trial\u003c/a> may lead to a plea deal in state court, one legal expert said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They may just find that there is a way to settle this without spending the time and resources necessary for a trial,” said Loyola law professor Jessica Levinson, adding that the case is likely an easier win for the prosecution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rory Little, a professor of law at UC Law SF, agreed. He said a second conviction may mean DePape serves a stint in state prison after federal prison or serves both sentences simultaneously, depending on what attorneys agree to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All those are up in the air,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape has yet to be sentenced in federal court, where he faces a maximum of 50 years in prison, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office. A sentencing date may emerge in a federal post-trial hearing set for Dec. 13. As for his state charges, those carry a potential sentence of 13 years to life imprisonment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of the elements of the state charges against DePape have already been proven by abundant video and other evidence – including DePape’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967247/david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi\">own repeated admissions\u003c/a> – presented at the federal trial that ended with a guilty verdict on Nov. 16.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was “right in front of cops, too,” DePape said to a paramedic on a recording from the night of the attack, which prosecutors played for a federal jury just two weeks ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cops watched me do it. You guys need evidence? There’s no denying what I did. The cops watched me do it,” he said on the recording.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levinson said the mountain of video evidence introduced in federal court – which includes that interview – would almost certainly come into play again on the state level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966378/federal-trial-set-to-start-for-man-who-attacked-nancy-pelosis-husband-with-a-hammer\">broke into the Pelosi home a year ago\u003c/a>, headed to the third floor where Paul Pelosi lay sleeping and woke him, asking for Nancy Pelosi, who was in Washington D.C. Paul Pelosi managed to call 911. Police officers arrived in the early hours of the morning on Oct. 28, 2022, and when they ordered DePape to drop the hammer he was holding, DePape refused and then bludgeoned Paul Pelosi three times in the skull.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape told police details of his plans after his immediate arrest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He said that he wanted to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage and get her to tell him the truth and that if she wasn’t going to tell him the truth, he would break her kneecaps,” San Francisco Police Department Lt. Carla Hurley testified previously.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Testifying in his own defense in the federal trial, DePape said he planned to wear an inflatable unicorn costume while livestreaming his interrogation of Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Congress uniquely crafted the federal charges to guard against the assault of federal officials and require that the suspect had the “intent to impede, intimidate or interfere” with a federal official’s duties or “on account of” those duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In federal court, DePape’s defense attorneys unsuccessfully leaned into those requirements, arguing that he was not motivated by Nancy Pelosi’s actual duties but rather by incredible right-wing conspiracies that are detached from reality. On the witness stand, DePape described his descent into a conspiratorial rabbit hole by listening to hours and hours of right-wing YouTube videos while he played video games.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That defense strategy echoes ones used\u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/15/paul-pelosi-jan-6-riot-00127267\"> largely unsuccessfully\u003c/a> by attorneys defending Jan. 6, 2021 insurrectionists earlier this year, including arguments that focused on defendants’ conspiratorial leanings and portrayed them as unaware of the “official duties” of their targets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By contrast, only one of DePape’s state charges hinges on Nancy Pelosi’s status as a U.S. representative — threatening the life or serious bodily harm to a public official.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The rest are charges that could’ve been brought against him for attacking anyone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a breaking story and may be updated.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A San Francisco judge has set a trial date for David DePape to face attempted murder and other state-level charges for attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi last year and assaulting her husband.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1701302237,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":965},"headData":{"title":"David DePape Faces Second Trial for Attempting to Kidnap Nancy Pelosi — Here’s Why | KQED","description":"A San Francisco judge has set a trial date for David DePape to face attempted murder and other state-level charges for attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi last year and assaulting her husband.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11968645/david-depape-faces-second-trial-for-attempting-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-heres-why","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A San Francisco judge has set a trial date for David DePape to face attempted murder and other state-level charges for attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi last year and striking her husband repeatedly in the head with a hammer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If that’s beginning to sound like deja vu, there’s good reason: DePape was already found guilty on federal charges of attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulting her husband after a weeklong trial earlier this month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But facing a second trial may mean it’s far more likely DePape will take a plea deal in his state case, experts told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘They may just find that there is a way to settle this without spending the time and resources necessary for a trial.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Jessica Levinson, professor, Loyola Law School in Los Angeles","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>When asked Wednesday if he would take a plea deal, DePape’s public defender, Adam Lipson, told reporters outside the courtroom, “Anything is possible.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two trials are related but distinct: The federal case \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967427/depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument\">hinged on the motivations for the attack and attempted kidnapping\u003c/a>, with both charges requiring a suspect intended to impede or interfere with a federal official’s duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This second trial, now set for Jan. 12, will see DePape face state charges, which by all accounts are far more straightforward. He’s accused of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary, false imprisonment and threatening the life or serious bodily harm to a public official.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11966865,news_11967247,news_11967180","label":"Related Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>That may mean DePape faces even more time in prison for related crimes. And DePape’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967595/david-depape-found-guilty-in-paul-pelosi-hammer-attack\">guilty verdict in his federal trial\u003c/a> may lead to a plea deal in state court, one legal expert said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They may just find that there is a way to settle this without spending the time and resources necessary for a trial,” said Loyola law professor Jessica Levinson, adding that the case is likely an easier win for the prosecution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rory Little, a professor of law at UC Law SF, agreed. He said a second conviction may mean DePape serves a stint in state prison after federal prison or serves both sentences simultaneously, depending on what attorneys agree to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All those are up in the air,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape has yet to be sentenced in federal court, where he faces a maximum of 50 years in prison, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office. A sentencing date may emerge in a federal post-trial hearing set for Dec. 13. As for his state charges, those carry a potential sentence of 13 years to life imprisonment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of the elements of the state charges against DePape have already been proven by abundant video and other evidence – including DePape’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967247/david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi\">own repeated admissions\u003c/a> – presented at the federal trial that ended with a guilty verdict on Nov. 16.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was “right in front of cops, too,” DePape said to a paramedic on a recording from the night of the attack, which prosecutors played for a federal jury just two weeks ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cops watched me do it. You guys need evidence? There’s no denying what I did. The cops watched me do it,” he said on the recording.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levinson said the mountain of video evidence introduced in federal court – which includes that interview – would almost certainly come into play again on the state level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966378/federal-trial-set-to-start-for-man-who-attacked-nancy-pelosis-husband-with-a-hammer\">broke into the Pelosi home a year ago\u003c/a>, headed to the third floor where Paul Pelosi lay sleeping and woke him, asking for Nancy Pelosi, who was in Washington D.C. Paul Pelosi managed to call 911. Police officers arrived in the early hours of the morning on Oct. 28, 2022, and when they ordered DePape to drop the hammer he was holding, DePape refused and then bludgeoned Paul Pelosi three times in the skull.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape told police details of his plans after his immediate arrest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He said that he wanted to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage and get her to tell him the truth and that if she wasn’t going to tell him the truth, he would break her kneecaps,” San Francisco Police Department Lt. Carla Hurley testified previously.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Testifying in his own defense in the federal trial, DePape said he planned to wear an inflatable unicorn costume while livestreaming his interrogation of Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Congress uniquely crafted the federal charges to guard against the assault of federal officials and require that the suspect had the “intent to impede, intimidate or interfere” with a federal official’s duties or “on account of” those duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In federal court, DePape’s defense attorneys unsuccessfully leaned into those requirements, arguing that he was not motivated by Nancy Pelosi’s actual duties but rather by incredible right-wing conspiracies that are detached from reality. 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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong> Hey, it’s Ericka and it’s deadline day. If you want to be our intern here at the bay and help us make this show, you better get your application in. It’s 16 hours a week. Yes, it is paid. And you get to work with me. So get that app in. Check out the link in our show notes for that. All right. Here’s the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Hamas’s attack on Israel and Israel’s siege of Gaza in response has drawn thousands of people to the streets in protest. You’ll hear demands for a ceasefire and calls to bring home the Israeli hostages. You’ll also hear cries to call your reps. So amidst the protests and public outrage, how exactly are our Bay Area representatives weighing their stance in Congress?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>It’s not just what is my sort of emotional reaction to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s the broader diplomatic, political, economic and military picture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today I talk with KQED political correspondent Marisa Lagos about where the Bay Area’s representatives in Congress stand on the situation in Gaza. So, Marisa, we sent you on a little journey to see where the Bay Area’s elected leaders and our congressional delegation stands on Israel and Palestine and what’s happening in Gaza. And one person that you wanted to talk to to sort of get inside the minds of these electeds was Congressman Ro Khanna. Remind us who he is and why did you want to talk to him?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, one, because he’s willing to talk honestly. He is one of our most accessible public officials in the Bay Area. And it’s not just that he’ll jump on the phone with you. It’s that he’s unusually sort of willing to be open about his thought processes and like answer tough questions, I would say. When he started his career, he was very much aligned with the sort of Bernie Sanders wing of the party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>But over the years in Congress, we’ve seen him become a pragmatic progressive. There’s thoughts that he might want to run for president one day. He represents Silicon Valley, and I think he often is taking a little bit of a less sort of reflexive, progressive stance, one that’s more nuanced and one that at times might sort of alienate some of his constituencies, quite frankly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, how does he describe the politics around this particular issue in this moment? This seems to be one of those thornier ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah, we talked a couple of days ago, right after he had actually talked to the head of the United Nations agency that assist Palestinian refugees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>Well, it’s one of the most morally complex issues I’ve had to deal with in my seven years in Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, he described the October 7th attack by Hamas against Israeli citizens as brutal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>And hostages were take it said, what had to be some response to that, to hold that Israel perpetrated that act of terror accountable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And I think that, you know, he was very clear in his feeling that while Israel has a right to, you know, defend itself, you cannot rationalize 500 civilian casualties in order to get to one Hamas fighter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>It’s just heartbreaking to watch that devastation. I’m fighting in Gaza, 1.5 million people displaced. Today I hosted a member’s briefing with the commissioner general open where he said 60 squirrels had been hit with bombs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So I do think that he, you know, is starting this needle and is definitely, on a personal level, very empathetic and and sort of watching very closely what is happening in Gaza to civilians there. You know, I think pretty strong language from a member of Congress. That.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>They shouldn’t be bombing on their schools. They shouldn’t be bombing mosques, churches, hospitals. And if they married Hamas terrorists, they’re off with 500 civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Strong language. But that being said, what has his official position been on this issue?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He opposes a cease fire like most members of Congress. He says that he cannot make that argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>That’s the biggest trauma for the state of Israel since its founding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, he says that Israel needs to be responding in a way that does protect civilian life. But he has pretty much rejected flatly outright calls for an actual cease fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>I mean, the United States may have agreed to a cease fire after 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So what we’re hearing from folks who are protesting is that they want a cease fire now. They want an end to the shelling, the fighting. They want Israel to essentially withdraw and engage in diplomatic talks. The argument, obviously, from folks who want a cease fire is that you have more than 11,000 civilians who have been collateral damage in this horrific assault and that that is sort of the only option for actually saving lives. On the other side, you have a lot of politicians like Ro Khanna saying, no, that’s not reasonable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>They’re starting to understand that. Just psychologically, Pat And I told her, Sam said I spoke with them. It is just very. You can’t take any action against this terrorism that just happened to you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Why is that? Marisa, like, how does someone like Ro Khanna, who is seeing what’s happening in Gaza and is pretty horrified by it, then how does he come to that sort of political calculation? Like what are all the things that he’s weighing here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, I think he’s thinking about. Both his sort of personal beliefs around this. I think he’s thinking about what a cease fire means. Obviously thinking about, you know, what’s happening in Gaza, but also from the perspective of the Israeli government and the citizens there. And, you know, how horrifying what happened on October 7th was. And so I think that he is thinking about this, you know, in the context of like how we might respond to a terror attack at home here in the U.S..\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I imagine he’s also thinking about his constituents and the needs of his particular district. How does he talk about that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I mean, I think he’s definitely. Listening both to constituents who are calling and writing and protesting in the streets. I think to be clear, it’s not to say that for someone like him, he’s only hearing from constituents calling for a cease fire. Right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>And certainly a constituent feedback has an impact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He also, as we mentioned, represents Silicon Valley. I think that there are business, tech, military interests that align here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>There’s obviously play a role that the army military ties with Israel and it certainly has ties to Silicon Valley. Intel in my district is the largest private sector employer in Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He sits on committees. He’s getting briefings that we’re not privy to likely like, those are the things that I think a lot of members of Congress are talking about that goes into this. It’s not just what is my sort of emotional reaction to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s the broader diplomatic, political, economic and military picture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, zooming out here, how does Roxana’s stance on this issue, which is to oppose a ceasefire, how does that square with the rest of the Bay Area’s congressional delegation? Are most Bay Area representatives pretty much on the same page on this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>We’ve actually seen a number of joint statements from folks like Nancy Pelosi, zoe lofgren, from the peninsula, Anna Eshoo, who also represents, you know, parts of San Jose, Silicon Valley. Many of them have made comments similar to Khanna’s, talking about the need to protect civilian life. They all have called for some sort of humanitarian pause or pauses in order to allow civilians to escape Gaza. But they almost entirely and in unity, have spoken very powerfully and strongly in support for Israel and, you know, its ability to defend itself. In some cases, it’s sort of obligation to defend itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And I was sort of surprised. I mean, we do live in one of the most progressive regions in the United States. We have, compared to many parts of the country, a much larger both Jewish and Arab Muslim populations. And so this is definitely something that people here care about and are thinking about. We’ve seen protests there. There’s one going on as we tape this Thursday morning blocking the entire Bay Bridge. But there is not a lot of daylight between what our representatives are saying or our senators, for that matter, and the position, the official position of the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, why most Bay area congressmembers oppose a ceasefire in Gaza. All except for one. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, can you maybe tick through some of the notable folks and the range of their stances on this, Marisa? And especially like the folks who are opposed to a cease fire. Why? Why is that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I mean, Nancy Pelosi called a cease fire a gift to Hamas. Other than Joe Biden, I feel like she has spoken most personally about this issue. They’re both Catholic. They’ve spent time in the region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nancy Pelosi: \u003c/strong>Mike Pappas was their head of interfaith council. And he said that that Christians, Catholics, everyone, every religion was mourning for the Israelis and sending their support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She was on stage with us in October here at KQED and has been just absolute in her support for Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nancy Pelosi: \u003c/strong>I mean, I’m not a big fan of the current government of of Israel. And all that you say is a concern. But none of it none of it makes any difference when when military force comes in and starts killing civilians and kidnaping and the rest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Other members of Congress are maybe sort of less personally attached to this or just don’t have the kind of history that somebody like Nancy Pelosi does. Kevin Mullane, for example, on the peninsula, a relatively new member of Congress, he has also supported Israel defending itself. He has called for Unitarian pause. These members, whatever they’re doing, and they are steadfast in their support for the Israeli position at this point, or at least Israel’s, you know, ability to defend itself are definitely getting their own sort of incoming from their constituents. And I think, yeah, I think it’s a tough one. I think it’s a tough one for all of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Okay. So for the most part, California’s congressional delegation is pretty lockstep on this, as you say. But there is one huge exception, and that’s Representative Barbara Lee, who represents parts of the East Bay, including Oakland. And she’s kind of a lone wolf in terms of her position on the conflict compared to the rest of the California delegation. Right. Tell me about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She is the one member of our delegation from the Bay Area who has called for a cease fire and actually co-sponsored a resolution in Congress calling for that. You know, this fits with not just her district, but Barbara Lee is sort of historic positioning when it comes to conflict.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee: \u003c/strong>Mr. Speaker, members, I rise today really with a very heavy heart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She is probably best known as the only member of Congress who voted against military authorized resolution right after 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee: \u003c/strong>September 11th changed the world. Our deepest fears now haunt us. Yet I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States. This is a very complex…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, she explicitly said that what happened was horrific, but she did not believe that our action was going to make it less likely that somebody would attack us again. You could sort of superimpose that argument on to what is happening now that folks who support a cease fire believe that what the Israeli military is doing in Gaza is actually sort of making the situation more dynamic, more likely to cause harm to civilians, and that she just does not, you know, see that as the right call from a military diplomatic perspective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, it’s so interesting to sort of get a sense of all the different ways our representatives are sort of weighing their decisions and how they’re making them and how they’re navigating it. But one thing I find really interesting is that there are so many things, Marissa, that I feel like divide Democrats and Republicans, but this issue doesn’t seem to divide them all that much at all. But the divide that I feel like I am seeing is happening within the Democratic Party specifically. Is that an accurate way to think about this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>100%, I mean, when you look at the actual voters, if you look at the public, Democrats are pretty split. So NPR, PBS actually put out a poll just this week. When you just ask about their sympathies in the conflict, it was evenly split between Israel and Palestinian groups. Even more striking is that you have more than half of Democrats saying that Israel’s response so far has been too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>That’s 56%. And Democrats, meanwhile, around 52% of Republicans say it’s been about right. I think that in general policy in the U.S. since essentially Israel’s founding, has been in support of Israel. I mean, since essentially 1948, we have seen in general a pretty strong sort of American policy towards not just supporting Israel from a diplomatic perspective, but giving it money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>When I was in Washington and long before that, that Israel pretty much enjoyed bipartisan support for sure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I talked to Janine Zacharia. She’s a Stanford lecturer. She is a former Washington Post Jerusalem bureau chief. And she talked about the fact that there is a real sea change, particularly among Democrats, when we talk about this issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>And she didn’t have anybody so forcefully or really at all saying that this was a kind of a legitimate resistance the way that you had after the October 7th massacres.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Young people, people who are not white people who are under the age of 45 are far more likely to say that Israel’s response has been too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>On the Democratic side, there has become a splintering on this issue. That feels new.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, what is this all going to mean moving forward, Marissa, that we are seeing some of these fissures and these splits among Democrats on this issue, especially with the election?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, I don’t see that this issue is going to threaten any individual member of Congress in the Bay Area. Like everything in politics, these folks are going to be defending their record on a wide variety of issues from the economy, how they’re dealing with issues here at home, homelessness and affordability, all those things. In general, people are not one issue voters for, you know, that type of office. That’s not to say nobody will take this into account and choose to change their vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>But I haven’t seen any like, you know, real, you know, challenging from sort of well-funded, serious candidates to any of these people. I think for Joe Biden, it’s an open question. And I think this gets back to sort of this question of like, does it all matter? Does the protests matter? Does the calling of your representative matter? We have seen the language of even President Biden shift significantly over recent weeks as Israel’s response has gotten more intense and has caused so many civilian casualties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Biden: \u003c/strong>You have a circumstance where the first war crimes being committed by Hamas, by having their headquarters, their military hidden under a hospital. And that’s a fact. That’s what’s happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Just Wednesday night in the Bay Area. The president defended Israel’s assault on a hospital in Gaza. But he’s also talking very forcefully about, in the long run, a two state solution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Biden: \u003c/strong>But I can tell you, I don’t think it all ends until there’s a two state solution. I made it clear to the Israelis, I think it’s a big mistake for them to think they’re going to occupy Gaza and maintain Gaza. I don’t think that works. And so I think you’re going to see first.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Everyone I talked to from, you know, the congressmen to these experts at Stanford said that is in part because of what the public is saying and doing. Right. Like, I don’t think they’re going to change the American position towards Israel overnight. But I do think that if you are in elected office, you are looking around and seeing where the public is. And you’re going to, if not switch your position immediately, at least be taking that into account as things moves forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Marissa, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>My pleasure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Marisa Lagos, a political correspondent for KQED and co-host of the Political Breakdown podcast. By the way, KQED has got a whole guide on how to call your representative. You can find it at kqed.org/explainers. This 35 minute conversation with Marisa was cut down, edited and produced by Maria Esquinca. I pitched this episode, scored it, and added all the tape. Guy Marzorati was our editor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The rest of our podcast team at KQED includes Jen Chien, art director of podcasts. Katie Sprenger, our podcast operations manager, Cesar Saldana, our podcast engagement producer, Maha Sanad, our podcast Engagement Intern. And Holly Kernan, our Chief Content Officer. And I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thank you so much for listening this week. Hope you all have a restful weekend. 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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong> Hey, it’s Ericka and it’s deadline day. If you want to be our intern here at the bay and help us make this show, you better get your application in. It’s 16 hours a week. Yes, it is paid. And you get to work with me. So get that app in. Check out the link in our show notes for that. All right. Here’s the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Hamas’s attack on Israel and Israel’s siege of Gaza in response has drawn thousands of people to the streets in protest. You’ll hear demands for a ceasefire and calls to bring home the Israeli hostages. You’ll also hear cries to call your reps. So amidst the protests and public outrage, how exactly are our Bay Area representatives weighing their stance in Congress?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>It’s not just what is my sort of emotional reaction to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s the broader diplomatic, political, economic and military picture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today I talk with KQED political correspondent Marisa Lagos about where the Bay Area’s representatives in Congress stand on the situation in Gaza. So, Marisa, we sent you on a little journey to see where the Bay Area’s elected leaders and our congressional delegation stands on Israel and Palestine and what’s happening in Gaza. And one person that you wanted to talk to to sort of get inside the minds of these electeds was Congressman Ro Khanna. Remind us who he is and why did you want to talk to him?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, one, because he’s willing to talk honestly. He is one of our most accessible public officials in the Bay Area. And it’s not just that he’ll jump on the phone with you. It’s that he’s unusually sort of willing to be open about his thought processes and like answer tough questions, I would say. When he started his career, he was very much aligned with the sort of Bernie Sanders wing of the party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>But over the years in Congress, we’ve seen him become a pragmatic progressive. There’s thoughts that he might want to run for president one day. He represents Silicon Valley, and I think he often is taking a little bit of a less sort of reflexive, progressive stance, one that’s more nuanced and one that at times might sort of alienate some of his constituencies, quite frankly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, how does he describe the politics around this particular issue in this moment? This seems to be one of those thornier ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah, we talked a couple of days ago, right after he had actually talked to the head of the United Nations agency that assist Palestinian refugees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>Well, it’s one of the most morally complex issues I’ve had to deal with in my seven years in Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, he described the October 7th attack by Hamas against Israeli citizens as brutal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>And hostages were take it said, what had to be some response to that, to hold that Israel perpetrated that act of terror accountable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And I think that, you know, he was very clear in his feeling that while Israel has a right to, you know, defend itself, you cannot rationalize 500 civilian casualties in order to get to one Hamas fighter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>It’s just heartbreaking to watch that devastation. I’m fighting in Gaza, 1.5 million people displaced. Today I hosted a member’s briefing with the commissioner general open where he said 60 squirrels had been hit with bombs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So I do think that he, you know, is starting this needle and is definitely, on a personal level, very empathetic and and sort of watching very closely what is happening in Gaza to civilians there. You know, I think pretty strong language from a member of Congress. That.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>They shouldn’t be bombing on their schools. They shouldn’t be bombing mosques, churches, hospitals. And if they married Hamas terrorists, they’re off with 500 civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Strong language. But that being said, what has his official position been on this issue?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He opposes a cease fire like most members of Congress. He says that he cannot make that argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>That’s the biggest trauma for the state of Israel since its founding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, he says that Israel needs to be responding in a way that does protect civilian life. But he has pretty much rejected flatly outright calls for an actual cease fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>I mean, the United States may have agreed to a cease fire after 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So what we’re hearing from folks who are protesting is that they want a cease fire now. They want an end to the shelling, the fighting. They want Israel to essentially withdraw and engage in diplomatic talks. The argument, obviously, from folks who want a cease fire is that you have more than 11,000 civilians who have been collateral damage in this horrific assault and that that is sort of the only option for actually saving lives. On the other side, you have a lot of politicians like Ro Khanna saying, no, that’s not reasonable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>They’re starting to understand that. Just psychologically, Pat And I told her, Sam said I spoke with them. It is just very. You can’t take any action against this terrorism that just happened to you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Why is that? Marisa, like, how does someone like Ro Khanna, who is seeing what’s happening in Gaza and is pretty horrified by it, then how does he come to that sort of political calculation? Like what are all the things that he’s weighing here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, I think he’s thinking about. Both his sort of personal beliefs around this. I think he’s thinking about what a cease fire means. Obviously thinking about, you know, what’s happening in Gaza, but also from the perspective of the Israeli government and the citizens there. And, you know, how horrifying what happened on October 7th was. And so I think that he is thinking about this, you know, in the context of like how we might respond to a terror attack at home here in the U.S..\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I imagine he’s also thinking about his constituents and the needs of his particular district. How does he talk about that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I mean, I think he’s definitely. Listening both to constituents who are calling and writing and protesting in the streets. I think to be clear, it’s not to say that for someone like him, he’s only hearing from constituents calling for a cease fire. Right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>And certainly a constituent feedback has an impact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He also, as we mentioned, represents Silicon Valley. I think that there are business, tech, military interests that align here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>There’s obviously play a role that the army military ties with Israel and it certainly has ties to Silicon Valley. Intel in my district is the largest private sector employer in Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He sits on committees. He’s getting briefings that we’re not privy to likely like, those are the things that I think a lot of members of Congress are talking about that goes into this. It’s not just what is my sort of emotional reaction to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s the broader diplomatic, political, economic and military picture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, zooming out here, how does Roxana’s stance on this issue, which is to oppose a ceasefire, how does that square with the rest of the Bay Area’s congressional delegation? Are most Bay Area representatives pretty much on the same page on this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>We’ve actually seen a number of joint statements from folks like Nancy Pelosi, zoe lofgren, from the peninsula, Anna Eshoo, who also represents, you know, parts of San Jose, Silicon Valley. Many of them have made comments similar to Khanna’s, talking about the need to protect civilian life. They all have called for some sort of humanitarian pause or pauses in order to allow civilians to escape Gaza. But they almost entirely and in unity, have spoken very powerfully and strongly in support for Israel and, you know, its ability to defend itself. In some cases, it’s sort of obligation to defend itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And I was sort of surprised. I mean, we do live in one of the most progressive regions in the United States. We have, compared to many parts of the country, a much larger both Jewish and Arab Muslim populations. And so this is definitely something that people here care about and are thinking about. We’ve seen protests there. There’s one going on as we tape this Thursday morning blocking the entire Bay Bridge. But there is not a lot of daylight between what our representatives are saying or our senators, for that matter, and the position, the official position of the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, why most Bay area congressmembers oppose a ceasefire in Gaza. All except for one. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, can you maybe tick through some of the notable folks and the range of their stances on this, Marisa? And especially like the folks who are opposed to a cease fire. Why? Why is that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I mean, Nancy Pelosi called a cease fire a gift to Hamas. Other than Joe Biden, I feel like she has spoken most personally about this issue. They’re both Catholic. They’ve spent time in the region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nancy Pelosi: \u003c/strong>Mike Pappas was their head of interfaith council. And he said that that Christians, Catholics, everyone, every religion was mourning for the Israelis and sending their support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She was on stage with us in October here at KQED and has been just absolute in her support for Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nancy Pelosi: \u003c/strong>I mean, I’m not a big fan of the current government of of Israel. And all that you say is a concern. But none of it none of it makes any difference when when military force comes in and starts killing civilians and kidnaping and the rest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Other members of Congress are maybe sort of less personally attached to this or just don’t have the kind of history that somebody like Nancy Pelosi does. Kevin Mullane, for example, on the peninsula, a relatively new member of Congress, he has also supported Israel defending itself. He has called for Unitarian pause. These members, whatever they’re doing, and they are steadfast in their support for the Israeli position at this point, or at least Israel’s, you know, ability to defend itself are definitely getting their own sort of incoming from their constituents. And I think, yeah, I think it’s a tough one. I think it’s a tough one for all of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Okay. So for the most part, California’s congressional delegation is pretty lockstep on this, as you say. But there is one huge exception, and that’s Representative Barbara Lee, who represents parts of the East Bay, including Oakland. And she’s kind of a lone wolf in terms of her position on the conflict compared to the rest of the California delegation. Right. Tell me about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She is the one member of our delegation from the Bay Area who has called for a cease fire and actually co-sponsored a resolution in Congress calling for that. You know, this fits with not just her district, but Barbara Lee is sort of historic positioning when it comes to conflict.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee: \u003c/strong>Mr. Speaker, members, I rise today really with a very heavy heart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She is probably best known as the only member of Congress who voted against military authorized resolution right after 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee: \u003c/strong>September 11th changed the world. Our deepest fears now haunt us. Yet I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States. This is a very complex…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, she explicitly said that what happened was horrific, but she did not believe that our action was going to make it less likely that somebody would attack us again. You could sort of superimpose that argument on to what is happening now that folks who support a cease fire believe that what the Israeli military is doing in Gaza is actually sort of making the situation more dynamic, more likely to cause harm to civilians, and that she just does not, you know, see that as the right call from a military diplomatic perspective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, it’s so interesting to sort of get a sense of all the different ways our representatives are sort of weighing their decisions and how they’re making them and how they’re navigating it. But one thing I find really interesting is that there are so many things, Marissa, that I feel like divide Democrats and Republicans, but this issue doesn’t seem to divide them all that much at all. But the divide that I feel like I am seeing is happening within the Democratic Party specifically. Is that an accurate way to think about this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>100%, I mean, when you look at the actual voters, if you look at the public, Democrats are pretty split. So NPR, PBS actually put out a poll just this week. When you just ask about their sympathies in the conflict, it was evenly split between Israel and Palestinian groups. Even more striking is that you have more than half of Democrats saying that Israel’s response so far has been too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>That’s 56%. And Democrats, meanwhile, around 52% of Republicans say it’s been about right. I think that in general policy in the U.S. since essentially Israel’s founding, has been in support of Israel. I mean, since essentially 1948, we have seen in general a pretty strong sort of American policy towards not just supporting Israel from a diplomatic perspective, but giving it money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>When I was in Washington and long before that, that Israel pretty much enjoyed bipartisan support for sure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I talked to Janine Zacharia. She’s a Stanford lecturer. She is a former Washington Post Jerusalem bureau chief. And she talked about the fact that there is a real sea change, particularly among Democrats, when we talk about this issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>And she didn’t have anybody so forcefully or really at all saying that this was a kind of a legitimate resistance the way that you had after the October 7th massacres.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Young people, people who are not white people who are under the age of 45 are far more likely to say that Israel’s response has been too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>On the Democratic side, there has become a splintering on this issue. That feels new.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, what is this all going to mean moving forward, Marissa, that we are seeing some of these fissures and these splits among Democrats on this issue, especially with the election?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, I don’t see that this issue is going to threaten any individual member of Congress in the Bay Area. Like everything in politics, these folks are going to be defending their record on a wide variety of issues from the economy, how they’re dealing with issues here at home, homelessness and affordability, all those things. In general, people are not one issue voters for, you know, that type of office. That’s not to say nobody will take this into account and choose to change their vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>But I haven’t seen any like, you know, real, you know, challenging from sort of well-funded, serious candidates to any of these people. I think for Joe Biden, it’s an open question. And I think this gets back to sort of this question of like, does it all matter? Does the protests matter? Does the calling of your representative matter? We have seen the language of even President Biden shift significantly over recent weeks as Israel’s response has gotten more intense and has caused so many civilian casualties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Biden: \u003c/strong>You have a circumstance where the first war crimes being committed by Hamas, by having their headquarters, their military hidden under a hospital. And that’s a fact. That’s what’s happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Just Wednesday night in the Bay Area. The president defended Israel’s assault on a hospital in Gaza. But he’s also talking very forcefully about, in the long run, a two state solution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Biden: \u003c/strong>But I can tell you, I don’t think it all ends until there’s a two state solution. I made it clear to the Israelis, I think it’s a big mistake for them to think they’re going to occupy Gaza and maintain Gaza. I don’t think that works. And so I think you’re going to see first.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Everyone I talked to from, you know, the congressmen to these experts at Stanford said that is in part because of what the public is saying and doing. Right. Like, I don’t think they’re going to change the American position towards Israel overnight. But I do think that if you are in elected office, you are looking around and seeing where the public is. And you’re going to, if not switch your position immediately, at least be taking that into account as things moves forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Marissa, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>My pleasure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Marisa Lagos, a political correspondent for KQED and co-host of the Political Breakdown podcast. By the way, KQED has got a whole guide on how to call your representative. You can find it at kqed.org/explainers. This 35 minute conversation with Marisa was cut down, edited and produced by Maria Esquinca. I pitched this episode, scored it, and added all the tape. Guy Marzorati was our editor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The rest of our podcast team at KQED includes Jen Chien, art director of podcasts. Katie Sprenger, our podcast operations manager, Cesar Saldana, our podcast engagement producer, Maha Sanad, our podcast Engagement Intern. And Holly Kernan, our Chief Content Officer. And I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thank you so much for listening this week. Hope you all have a restful weekend. 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DePape, 43, was specifically found guilty of attempted kidnapping of a federal official and assaulting a federal official’s family member.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This verdict sends a clear message, regardless of what your beliefs are, what you cannot do is physically attack a member of Congress or their immediate family for the performance of their job,” U.S. Attorney Ismail Ramsey said during a brief press conference Thursday afternoon. Ramsey went on to thank the jury and wish Paul Pelosi a full recovery.[aside label=\"More DePape trial coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]“Speaker Pelosi and her family are deeply grateful for the outpouring of prayers and warm wishes for Mr. Pelosi from so many across the country during this difficult time,” a spokesperson for Nancy Pelosi said in a written statement released shortly after the jury read its verdict. “The Pelosi family is very proud of their Pop, who demonstrated extraordinary composure and courage on the night of the attack a year ago and in the courtroom this week.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966865/defense-focuses-on-conspiracy-theories-in-first-day-of-trial-over-attempted-nancy-pelosi-kidnapping\">DePape’s defense\u003c/a> was a mystery leading into the trial, in part because of overwhelming evidence against him, captured on video and audio recordings that had already reached the public. He also admitted his plans to kidnap Nancy Pelosi to a San Francisco police lieutenant shortly after his arrest. He later called a KTVU reporter from jail and apologized for failing in his plans and “not getting more” of his targets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And perhaps most blatantly, video footage shows DePape savagely attacking Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, in the head with a hammer at least three times in front of two San Francisco police officers, shortly after the officers arrived at the Pelosi’s San Francisco home in the early morning hours of Oct. 28, 2022. The officers’ body cameras recorded the assault, after which they immediately tackled DePape and arrested him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s defense strategy, led by Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker, quickly emerged as the trial unfolded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker and her defense team argued that \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967427/depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument\">federal charges were inappropriate\u003c/a> because those charges required DePape to have been motivated by Pelosi’s “official duties” in Congress. DePape said on the witness stand that he was instead motivated by extremist conspiracy theories that also led him to target Tom Hanks, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, and gender theory academic Gayle Rubin, among other well-known figures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967737\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of two women standing up and consoling a large man who is seated, as a judge and court reporter sit in the background. \" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967737\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-800x450.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-1020x574.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-160x90.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-1536x864.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Federal public defenders Angela Chuang (left) and Jodi Linker console defendant David DePape (seated) after hearing the jury’s guilty verdict in a San Francisco courtroom on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Paul Pelosi, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967180/tremendous-shock-paul-pelosi-testifies-in-trial-of-his-attacker-david-depape\">who testified on Monday\u003c/a>, described the “tremendous shock” of being awoken in his third-floor bedroom by a “very large man with a hammer in one hand and some [zip] ties in the other” who demanded, “Where’s Nancy?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Paul Pelosi told DePape that his wife was in Washington, D.C., and wouldn’t be home for several days, DePape said he would “tie me up and wait for her,” Pelosi testified.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi told the court about the cryptic 911 call he made while DePape watched. And he described how he convinced DePape to move to the first floor, hoping police would arrive there soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the witness stand on Tuesday, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967247/david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi\">DePape revealed never-before-heard details of his plan\u003c/a>, including his intention to wear an inflatable unicorn costume while interrogating Nancy Pelosi on video about “Russiagate,” a conspiracy theory about purported pornographic tapes of President Donald Trump. DePape testified that if she had lied during his planned interrogation, he would have broken her kneecaps and wheeled her before Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape intended to force his various targets to confess their crimes and then “unify” the country by forgiving them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That was the grand end of my plan, to get Joe Biden to pardon all the criminals for all their criminal conduct,” DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The sentencing phase of the case will come next, with an initial hearing set for Dec. 13.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape also still faces state charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary, false imprisonment and threatening the life or serious bodily harm to a public official, which collectively could carry a sentence of life in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A federal jury found DePape guilty of attempting to kidnap former U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulting her husband with a hammer last year.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700181029,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":795},"headData":{"title":"David DePape Found Guilty of Federal Charges in Paul Pelosi Hammer Attack | KQED","description":"A federal jury found DePape guilty of attempting to kidnap former U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulting her husband with a hammer last year.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11967595/david-depape-found-guilty-in-paul-pelosi-hammer-attack","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A jury found David DePape guilty Thursday morning of federal charges involving his attempt to kidnap former U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his brutal assault on her husband with a hammer last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The jury’s unanimous verdict was returned after roughly eight hours of deliberations following a whirlwind four-day trial in San Francisco. DePape, 43, was specifically found guilty of attempted kidnapping of a federal official and assaulting a federal official’s family member.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This verdict sends a clear message, regardless of what your beliefs are, what you cannot do is physically attack a member of Congress or their immediate family for the performance of their job,” U.S. Attorney Ismail Ramsey said during a brief press conference Thursday afternoon. Ramsey went on to thank the jury and wish Paul Pelosi a full recovery.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"More DePape trial coverage ","tag":"paul-pelosi"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Speaker Pelosi and her family are deeply grateful for the outpouring of prayers and warm wishes for Mr. Pelosi from so many across the country during this difficult time,” a spokesperson for Nancy Pelosi said in a written statement released shortly after the jury read its verdict. “The Pelosi family is very proud of their Pop, who demonstrated extraordinary composure and courage on the night of the attack a year ago and in the courtroom this week.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966865/defense-focuses-on-conspiracy-theories-in-first-day-of-trial-over-attempted-nancy-pelosi-kidnapping\">DePape’s defense\u003c/a> was a mystery leading into the trial, in part because of overwhelming evidence against him, captured on video and audio recordings that had already reached the public. He also admitted his plans to kidnap Nancy Pelosi to a San Francisco police lieutenant shortly after his arrest. He later called a KTVU reporter from jail and apologized for failing in his plans and “not getting more” of his targets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And perhaps most blatantly, video footage shows DePape savagely attacking Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, in the head with a hammer at least three times in front of two San Francisco police officers, shortly after the officers arrived at the Pelosi’s San Francisco home in the early morning hours of Oct. 28, 2022. The officers’ body cameras recorded the assault, after which they immediately tackled DePape and arrested him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s defense strategy, led by Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker, quickly emerged as the trial unfolded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker and her defense team argued that \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967427/depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument\">federal charges were inappropriate\u003c/a> because those charges required DePape to have been motivated by Pelosi’s “official duties” in Congress. DePape said on the witness stand that he was instead motivated by extremist conspiracy theories that also led him to target Tom Hanks, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, and gender theory academic Gayle Rubin, among other well-known figures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967737\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of two women standing up and consoling a large man who is seated, as a judge and court reporter sit in the background. \" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967737\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-800x450.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-1020x574.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-160x90.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-1536x864.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Federal public defenders Angela Chuang (left) and Jodi Linker console defendant David DePape (seated) after hearing the jury’s guilty verdict in a San Francisco courtroom on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Paul Pelosi, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967180/tremendous-shock-paul-pelosi-testifies-in-trial-of-his-attacker-david-depape\">who testified on Monday\u003c/a>, described the “tremendous shock” of being awoken in his third-floor bedroom by a “very large man with a hammer in one hand and some [zip] ties in the other” who demanded, “Where’s Nancy?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Paul Pelosi told DePape that his wife was in Washington, D.C., and wouldn’t be home for several days, DePape said he would “tie me up and wait for her,” Pelosi testified.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi told the court about the cryptic 911 call he made while DePape watched. And he described how he convinced DePape to move to the first floor, hoping police would arrive there soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the witness stand on Tuesday, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967247/david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi\">DePape revealed never-before-heard details of his plan\u003c/a>, including his intention to wear an inflatable unicorn costume while interrogating Nancy Pelosi on video about “Russiagate,” a conspiracy theory about purported pornographic tapes of President Donald Trump. DePape testified that if she had lied during his planned interrogation, he would have broken her kneecaps and wheeled her before Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape intended to force his various targets to confess their crimes and then “unify” the country by forgiving them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That was the grand end of my plan, to get Joe Biden to pardon all the criminals for all their criminal conduct,” DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The sentencing phase of the case will come next, with an initial hearing set for Dec. 13.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape also still faces state charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary, false imprisonment and threatening the life or serious bodily harm to a public official, which collectively could carry a sentence of life in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11967595/david-depape-found-guilty-in-paul-pelosi-hammer-attack","authors":["11690","3206"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_28537","news_17725","news_31923","news_27626","news_177","news_31916","news_17968","news_29025"],"featImg":"news_11967668","label":"news"},"news_11967427":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11967427","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11967427","score":null,"sort":[1700089927000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument","title":"DePape's Motivation for Trying to Kidnap Nancy Pelosi Is Key, Defense Says in Closing Argument","publishDate":1700089927,"format":"standard","headTitle":"DePape’s Motivation for Trying to Kidnap Nancy Pelosi Is Key, Defense Says in Closing Argument | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Federal prosecutors and defense attorneys made closing arguments Wednesday in the trial of David DePape, the man facing life in prison for attempting to kidnap former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulting her husband, Paul Pelosi, last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The jury began deliberating late Wednesday morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The four-day trial in a San Francisco courtroom focused on DePape’s failed plan to kidnap Nancy Pelosi by breaking into her San Francisco home early in the morning on Oct. 28, 2022. He found the former speaker of the House was not home, which he said was not part of his plan. He held Paul Pelosi hostage until police officers arrived, then bludgeoned him in the head with a hammer in front of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was not a very well-thought-out plan,” DePape’s attorney, Assistant Federal Public Defender Angela Chuang, told the jury in her closing argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s defense attorneys do not dispute that he hit Paul Pelosi with a hammer or that he planned to capture Nancy Pelosi. Rather, the defense argued that he was motivated by outlandish conspiracy theories, not Pelosi’s official position at the time as House speaker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a key distinction in considering both federal charges against DePape, which require that the suspect had the “intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere” with a federal official’s duties or “on account of” those duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That strategy echoes ones used by attorneys defending Jan. 6, 2021 insurrectionists earlier this year, including arguments that focused on defendants’ conspiratorial leanings and portrayed them as unaware of the “official duties” of their targets. Those tactics have \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/15/paul-pelosi-jan-6-riot-00127267\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/15/paul-pelosi-jan-6-riot-00127267\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">reportedly largely been unsuccessful\u003c/a>, although at least one Jan. 6 defendant \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/13/judge-finds-jan-6-defendant-who-breached-senate-chamber-not-guilty-of-obstruction-00077971\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/13/judge-finds-jan-6-defendant-who-breached-senate-chamber-not-guilty-of-obstruction-00077971\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">did face lesser charges\u003c/a> after making such an argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967451\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967451\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of a woman standing at a lectern in a courtroom, speaking to a faceless jury, with a judge observing.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-1536x864.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Displaying a photo of Paul Pelosi lying in a pool of his own blood, Assistant U.S. Attorney Helen Gilbert delivers the prosecution’s closing argument to the jury in the case against David DePape on Wednesday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The ‘why’ matters here,” Chuang said. “This case isn’t about whether they proved beyond a reasonable doubt if Mr. DePape went to the Pelosi’s home that night and hit Mr. Pelosi on the head with a hammer. Of course, he did.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the case — including during DePape’s testimony on Tuesday — the defense attempted to demonstrate that he targeted Nancy Pelosi for her politics, not for her congressional duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But during the prosecution’s closing argument, Assistant U.S. Attorney Helen Gilbert dismissed that argument as a “made-up distinction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors spent much of the trial breaking down the savage hammer attack that, in real-time, lasted only moments. Police witnesses, photographs, slow-motion video, and testimony from Paul Pelosi himself highlighted the brazenness of DePape’s entry into the Pelosi home, in which he struck a glass door with his hammer more than a dozen times, and emphasized the shocking way in which he ultimately wielded that hammer to fracture Paul Pelosi’s skull.[aside label=\"More DePape trial coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]The images of Paul Pelosi’s injuries were particularly horrific. The front half of his skull appeared flattened in one photo, and in another, his face and hands were bathed in blood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Chuang, the federal defender, on Wednesday, urged the jury not to be distracted by those images.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was awful and horrible,” she said, but “the government wants you to be so appalled by what happened that you will be swayed on this case. They want you to be so moved by the blood and the violence, and you won’t think about the charges.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shocking the jurors, however, wasn’t the prosecution’s only strategy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors also highlighted DePape’s “grand plan,” as he called it, in great detail. The jury saw photographs of the small Richmond garage he called home, summaries of the research he conducted into accessing the Pelosi residence and the homes of other targets in his web history, a catalog of those targets’ addresses on his hard drive, and surveillance footage of his late-night, two-and-a-half hour BART and Muni trips that brought him to the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution highlighted how DePape, in a recorded interview with police after his arrest, infamously called Nancy Pelosi the “leader of the pack” among those telling Democratic lies, and how he kept his research on Pelosi in a folder on his computer labeled “favorite politicians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gilbert, the U.S. attorney, told jurors that it was telling when DePape admitted to police investigators that his plan involved donning an inflatable unicorn costume, interrogating Nancy Pelosi on video, then breaking her kneecaps and wheeling her out onto the floor of Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He didn’t say he’d wheel her out to the [Democratic National Committee],” she said. “No, he said ‘Congress.’ We didn’t put those words in his mouth. He said that on the day he did this.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. District Judge Jacquline Scott Corley indicated in hearings on Tuesday, while the jury was not present that there are various scenarios in which the federal charges against DePape would not apply. One hypothetical she raised involved someone assaulting a federal official in a fit of road rage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution agreed that the charges against DePape would “absolutely not” be appropriate in that example. But in her closing argument on Wednesday, Gilbert said the charges absolutely apply in this case because of DePape’s own statements about his intent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is the center of the ‘evil’ and of the lies and corruption the defendant is talking about,” Gilbert argued. “He tells you: It’s Congress.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gilbert relied heavily on DePape’s statements to speak for themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was “right in front of cops, too,” DePape said to a paramedic on a recording from the night of the attack that Gilbert played for the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cops watched me do it. You guys need evidence? There’s no denying what I did. The cops watched me do it,” he said on the recording.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Regardless of the outcome in federal court, San Francisco District Attorney Brooke Jenkins’ office confirmed that DePape will still face state charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary, false imprisonment, and threatening the life or serious bodily harm to a public official, which collectively could carry a sentence of life in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"David DePape’s attorneys argued he was driven by outlandish conspiracy theories, not by Nancy Pelosi’s official position as House speaker, a distinction they told jurors was crucial in considering the specific charges against him.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700100620,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":1141},"headData":{"title":"DePape's Motivation for Trying to Kidnap Nancy Pelosi Is Key, Defense Says in Closing Argument | KQED","description":"David DePape’s attorneys argued he was driven by outlandish conspiracy theories, not by Nancy Pelosi’s official position as House speaker, a distinction they told jurors was crucial in considering the specific charges against him.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11967427/depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Federal prosecutors and defense attorneys made closing arguments Wednesday in the trial of David DePape, the man facing life in prison for attempting to kidnap former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulting her husband, Paul Pelosi, last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The jury began deliberating late Wednesday morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The four-day trial in a San Francisco courtroom focused on DePape’s failed plan to kidnap Nancy Pelosi by breaking into her San Francisco home early in the morning on Oct. 28, 2022. He found the former speaker of the House was not home, which he said was not part of his plan. He held Paul Pelosi hostage until police officers arrived, then bludgeoned him in the head with a hammer in front of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was not a very well-thought-out plan,” DePape’s attorney, Assistant Federal Public Defender Angela Chuang, told the jury in her closing argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s defense attorneys do not dispute that he hit Paul Pelosi with a hammer or that he planned to capture Nancy Pelosi. Rather, the defense argued that he was motivated by outlandish conspiracy theories, not Pelosi’s official position at the time as House speaker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a key distinction in considering both federal charges against DePape, which require that the suspect had the “intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere” with a federal official’s duties or “on account of” those duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That strategy echoes ones used by attorneys defending Jan. 6, 2021 insurrectionists earlier this year, including arguments that focused on defendants’ conspiratorial leanings and portrayed them as unaware of the “official duties” of their targets. Those tactics have \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/15/paul-pelosi-jan-6-riot-00127267\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/15/paul-pelosi-jan-6-riot-00127267\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">reportedly largely been unsuccessful\u003c/a>, although at least one Jan. 6 defendant \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/13/judge-finds-jan-6-defendant-who-breached-senate-chamber-not-guilty-of-obstruction-00077971\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/13/judge-finds-jan-6-defendant-who-breached-senate-chamber-not-guilty-of-obstruction-00077971\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">did face lesser charges\u003c/a> after making such an argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967451\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967451\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of a woman standing at a lectern in a courtroom, speaking to a faceless jury, with a judge observing.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-1536x864.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Displaying a photo of Paul Pelosi lying in a pool of his own blood, Assistant U.S. Attorney Helen Gilbert delivers the prosecution’s closing argument to the jury in the case against David DePape on Wednesday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The ‘why’ matters here,” Chuang said. “This case isn’t about whether they proved beyond a reasonable doubt if Mr. DePape went to the Pelosi’s home that night and hit Mr. Pelosi on the head with a hammer. Of course, he did.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the case — including during DePape’s testimony on Tuesday — the defense attempted to demonstrate that he targeted Nancy Pelosi for her politics, not for her congressional duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But during the prosecution’s closing argument, Assistant U.S. Attorney Helen Gilbert dismissed that argument as a “made-up distinction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors spent much of the trial breaking down the savage hammer attack that, in real-time, lasted only moments. Police witnesses, photographs, slow-motion video, and testimony from Paul Pelosi himself highlighted the brazenness of DePape’s entry into the Pelosi home, in which he struck a glass door with his hammer more than a dozen times, and emphasized the shocking way in which he ultimately wielded that hammer to fracture Paul Pelosi’s skull.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"More DePape trial coverage ","tag":"paul-pelosi"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The images of Paul Pelosi’s injuries were particularly horrific. The front half of his skull appeared flattened in one photo, and in another, his face and hands were bathed in blood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Chuang, the federal defender, on Wednesday, urged the jury not to be distracted by those images.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was awful and horrible,” she said, but “the government wants you to be so appalled by what happened that you will be swayed on this case. They want you to be so moved by the blood and the violence, and you won’t think about the charges.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shocking the jurors, however, wasn’t the prosecution’s only strategy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors also highlighted DePape’s “grand plan,” as he called it, in great detail. The jury saw photographs of the small Richmond garage he called home, summaries of the research he conducted into accessing the Pelosi residence and the homes of other targets in his web history, a catalog of those targets’ addresses on his hard drive, and surveillance footage of his late-night, two-and-a-half hour BART and Muni trips that brought him to the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution highlighted how DePape, in a recorded interview with police after his arrest, infamously called Nancy Pelosi the “leader of the pack” among those telling Democratic lies, and how he kept his research on Pelosi in a folder on his computer labeled “favorite politicians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gilbert, the U.S. attorney, told jurors that it was telling when DePape admitted to police investigators that his plan involved donning an inflatable unicorn costume, interrogating Nancy Pelosi on video, then breaking her kneecaps and wheeling her out onto the floor of Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He didn’t say he’d wheel her out to the [Democratic National Committee],” she said. “No, he said ‘Congress.’ We didn’t put those words in his mouth. He said that on the day he did this.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. District Judge Jacquline Scott Corley indicated in hearings on Tuesday, while the jury was not present that there are various scenarios in which the federal charges against DePape would not apply. One hypothetical she raised involved someone assaulting a federal official in a fit of road rage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution agreed that the charges against DePape would “absolutely not” be appropriate in that example. But in her closing argument on Wednesday, Gilbert said the charges absolutely apply in this case because of DePape’s own statements about his intent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is the center of the ‘evil’ and of the lies and corruption the defendant is talking about,” Gilbert argued. “He tells you: It’s Congress.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gilbert relied heavily on DePape’s statements to speak for themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was “right in front of cops, too,” DePape said to a paramedic on a recording from the night of the attack that Gilbert played for the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cops watched me do it. You guys need evidence? There’s no denying what I did. The cops watched me do it,” he said on the recording.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Regardless of the outcome in federal court, San Francisco District Attorney Brooke Jenkins’ office confirmed that DePape will still face state charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary, false imprisonment, and threatening the life or serious bodily harm to a public official, which collectively could carry a sentence of life in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11967427/depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument","authors":["11690"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_28537","news_17725","news_31923","news_27626","news_177","news_31916","news_17968","news_29025"],"featImg":"news_11967450","label":"news"},"news_11967247":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11967247","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11967247","score":null,"sort":[1700010099000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi","title":"David DePape, on Witness Stand, Details ‘Grand Plan’ to Violently Interrogate Nancy Pelosi","publishDate":1700010099,"format":"standard","headTitle":"David DePape, on Witness Stand, Details ‘Grand Plan’ to Violently Interrogate Nancy Pelosi | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Just over a year ago, David DePape of Richmond broke into the San Francisco home of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with plans to don an inflatable unicorn costume, interrogate her in her own home on camera about a right-wing conspiracy concerning President Donald Trump called “Russiagate,” then break her kneecaps, and have her wheeled into Congress to expose what he called “lies” told by the “ruling class,” a “cabal” of politicians, academics, celebrities and more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That is the “grand plan” DePape, 43, revealed to a jury on the third day of the federal trial against him in San Francisco on Tuesday morning, over the course of more than an hour’s worth of questioning from his federal public defenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"David DePape\"]‘That was the grand end of my plan, to get Joe Biden to pardon all the criminals for all their criminal conduct.’[/pullquote]DePape, accused of bludgeoning Paul Pelosi and attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi, faces life in prison for charges of attempting to kidnap a federal officer and assaulting a family member of a federal official. He has pleaded not guilty. Court proceedings began on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape occasionally broke into tears, blew his nose and held the bridge of his nose as if in pain during various parts of his testimony, including recalling when he used to have “strong anti-Trump vibes,” views that changed after he began a steady diet of far-right-wing media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape told jurors on Tuesday that his plan included luring one of his highest targets, a sexuality and gender academic named Gayle Rubin, known to the court as “Target 1,” to Pelosi’s home using the speaker’s celebrity as a draw, then continuing on to target Gov. Gavin Newsom and several public figures, and ultimately President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The grand plan was to expose everything at the end with Hunter Biden,” DePape told jurors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once DePape exposed what he considered the “truth,” he planned to ask President Biden to pardon all the people he considered criminals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That was the grand end of my plan, to get Joe Biden to pardon all the criminals for all their criminal conduct,” DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He said exposing the “truth” and then pardoning those responsible for various crimes – from what he called Democratic party lies to converting schools into molestation “factories” – would ultimately unify the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He said the so-called criminals on his target list included actor Tom Hanks, Hunter Biden, Rep. Adam Schiff, former Vice President Mike Pence, former U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and billionaire George Soros, among others. Some of the names of his targets were revealed for the first time in court Tuesday, including Barr and Sanders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the stand, Depape accused one of his targets, Rubin, of trying to create “pedophiliac molestation factories” out of schools across the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rubin, a University of Michigan anthropology and women’s studies professor, has been the target of conspiracy theories from extremist YouTubers, writers and podcasters for her groundbreaking academic work as an anthropologist writing about feminist and queer theory. Rubin also testified in court Tuesday under the pseudonym “Target 1,” and said her workplace took measures to ensure her safety after she learned from the FBI that DePape had intended to lure her to the Pelosi home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape had a slip of paper in his pocket with Rubin’s address and phone number on it when he arrived at the Pelosi home last year. DePape’s attorneys handed Rubin that slip of paper in court, and Rubin confirmed it was her address and an older phone number that DePape had intended to call after kidnapping Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Actually, DePape said, “I was thinking of going to her house first. The reason was proximity. She was closest to BART,” he said of Rubin’s home. Ultimately though, her home seemed too well fortified, he said, and he settled on visiting Pelosi first.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s fascination with Rubin sprang from podcaster James Lindsay, DePape said, referring to the right-wing media personality.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“James Lindsay reads her papers, and what I got is she’s trying to turn our schools into molestation factories,” DePape said, repeating unfounded and baseless accusations that have long been shown to be rooted in bigotry against the LGTBQ community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he listened to Lindsay’s podcasts about Rubin, DePape said “I was outraged.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And DePape’s radicalization wasn’t limited to Rubin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967330\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11967330 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of an older woman with short grey hair on the witness stand next to a judge, with another woman, with curly hair, facing her.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1440\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gayle Rubin, a University of Michigan anthropology and women’s studies professor (center), known to the court as ‘Target 1,’ testifies on the witness stand, answering questions from Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker (right), one of David DePape’s attorneys, in a San Francisco courtroom on Tuesday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He told the jury he came across most of his newfound political ideas after listening to mostly right-wing political YouTubers for entire weekends at a time and a minimum of six hours per day on weekdays, including Lindsay, Jimmy Dore and Glenn Beck. He would listen to the YouTubers’ political screeds while playing muted video games for hours on end in the Richmond garage he lived in, which had no toilet, shower or bed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those podcasts introduced him to the unfounded ideas that Tom Hanks had raped a young girl, and that Rep. Adam Schiff was somehow linked to child traffickers. More traditional right-wing attacks on Democrats would mix in with his more extreme conspiracy theories, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I fucking love Hunter Biden. He’s like so blatantly corrupt. He doesn’t even try to hide his nepotism,” DePape said on the witness stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was video games that first led DePape down that rabbit hole of far-right-wing personalities who he said expose the truth to help him see “both sides of the story” in current events, and that eventually led him to believe wide-ranging conspiracy theories.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape said he had been looking up video game tips on YouTube when he first encountered information about “gamergate,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.snopes.com/articles/402899/what-was-gamergate/\">a nearly decade-old social media harassment campaign\u003c/a> led by misogynistic male gamers who targeted and threatened violence against women in the video game industry. He then began intensely researching their many spurious claims about feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian, which led him to discover additional targets, DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"More DePape Trial Coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]“I’d look up a [strategy to defeat a video game] boss, and it’d be a total different person, and these people would talk about how toxic Anita Sarkeesian is, over and over and over,” DePape said. “I wanted to find out what was going on here. I wanted to get both sides of the story.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That, DePape said, led his research “deeper and deeper and deeper.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s those same YouTubers, podcasters and others, DePape said, whose ideas slowly brought him from his more left-wing ideals to Pelosi’s home in the early morning of Oct. 28, 2022. Perhaps reflecting the roots of his conspiracy theories, he had a gray Nintendo Switch in his backpack that night, alongside the zip ties and rope he took with him to restrain Nancy Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before DePape’s testimony Tuesday morning, a neurosurgeon, Dr. Michael Huang, testified for the prosecution. He described in gory detail how parts of Paul Pelosi’s skull were shifted by the impact of DePape’s at least three hammer blows.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One photo displayed in court showed Paul Pelosi’s head from the side, with what appeared to be a large portion of the front of his skull flattened from his injuries and a roughly 4-inch laceration going across the back-right part of his skull, which was shaved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape said he hadn’t gone to the Pelosi home that night intending to hurt Paul Pelosi, just his wife. But he said he was willing to “go through” the then-82-year-old because the old man was stopping him from prevailing in his plan against “evil.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hearing the medical report about Paul Pelosi’s injuries was “really chilling,” DePape said from the stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After he assaulted Pelosi and saw him lying on the ground breathing heavily, “I felt really scared for his life,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Closing arguments are expected to take place Wednesday morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>This story has been updated.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"DePape, who attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer last year, testified on the third day of his federal trial in San Francisco, occasionally breaking into tears as he detailed an outlandish plan to kidnap the former House speaker and other 'evil' targets.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700022545,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":35,"wordCount":1484},"headData":{"title":"David DePape, on Witness Stand, Details ‘Grand Plan’ to Violently Interrogate Nancy Pelosi | KQED","description":"DePape, who attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer last year, testified on the third day of his federal trial in San Francisco, occasionally breaking into tears as he detailed an outlandish plan to kidnap the former House speaker and other 'evil' targets.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11967247/david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Just over a year ago, David DePape of Richmond broke into the San Francisco home of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with plans to don an inflatable unicorn costume, interrogate her in her own home on camera about a right-wing conspiracy concerning President Donald Trump called “Russiagate,” then break her kneecaps, and have her wheeled into Congress to expose what he called “lies” told by the “ruling class,” a “cabal” of politicians, academics, celebrities and more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That is the “grand plan” DePape, 43, revealed to a jury on the third day of the federal trial against him in San Francisco on Tuesday morning, over the course of more than an hour’s worth of questioning from his federal public defenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘That was the grand end of my plan, to get Joe Biden to pardon all the criminals for all their criminal conduct.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"David DePape","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>DePape, accused of bludgeoning Paul Pelosi and attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi, faces life in prison for charges of attempting to kidnap a federal officer and assaulting a family member of a federal official. He has pleaded not guilty. Court proceedings began on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape occasionally broke into tears, blew his nose and held the bridge of his nose as if in pain during various parts of his testimony, including recalling when he used to have “strong anti-Trump vibes,” views that changed after he began a steady diet of far-right-wing media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape told jurors on Tuesday that his plan included luring one of his highest targets, a sexuality and gender academic named Gayle Rubin, known to the court as “Target 1,” to Pelosi’s home using the speaker’s celebrity as a draw, then continuing on to target Gov. Gavin Newsom and several public figures, and ultimately President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The grand plan was to expose everything at the end with Hunter Biden,” DePape told jurors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once DePape exposed what he considered the “truth,” he planned to ask President Biden to pardon all the people he considered criminals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That was the grand end of my plan, to get Joe Biden to pardon all the criminals for all their criminal conduct,” DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He said exposing the “truth” and then pardoning those responsible for various crimes – from what he called Democratic party lies to converting schools into molestation “factories” – would ultimately unify the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He said the so-called criminals on his target list included actor Tom Hanks, Hunter Biden, Rep. Adam Schiff, former Vice President Mike Pence, former U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and billionaire George Soros, among others. Some of the names of his targets were revealed for the first time in court Tuesday, including Barr and Sanders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the stand, Depape accused one of his targets, Rubin, of trying to create “pedophiliac molestation factories” out of schools across the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rubin, a University of Michigan anthropology and women’s studies professor, has been the target of conspiracy theories from extremist YouTubers, writers and podcasters for her groundbreaking academic work as an anthropologist writing about feminist and queer theory. Rubin also testified in court Tuesday under the pseudonym “Target 1,” and said her workplace took measures to ensure her safety after she learned from the FBI that DePape had intended to lure her to the Pelosi home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape had a slip of paper in his pocket with Rubin’s address and phone number on it when he arrived at the Pelosi home last year. DePape’s attorneys handed Rubin that slip of paper in court, and Rubin confirmed it was her address and an older phone number that DePape had intended to call after kidnapping Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Actually, DePape said, “I was thinking of going to her house first. The reason was proximity. She was closest to BART,” he said of Rubin’s home. Ultimately though, her home seemed too well fortified, he said, and he settled on visiting Pelosi first.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s fascination with Rubin sprang from podcaster James Lindsay, DePape said, referring to the right-wing media personality.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“James Lindsay reads her papers, and what I got is she’s trying to turn our schools into molestation factories,” DePape said, repeating unfounded and baseless accusations that have long been shown to be rooted in bigotry against the LGTBQ community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he listened to Lindsay’s podcasts about Rubin, DePape said “I was outraged.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And DePape’s radicalization wasn’t limited to Rubin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967330\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11967330 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of an older woman with short grey hair on the witness stand next to a judge, with another woman, with curly hair, facing her.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1440\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Target1-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gayle Rubin, a University of Michigan anthropology and women’s studies professor (center), known to the court as ‘Target 1,’ testifies on the witness stand, answering questions from Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker (right), one of David DePape’s attorneys, in a San Francisco courtroom on Tuesday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He told the jury he came across most of his newfound political ideas after listening to mostly right-wing political YouTubers for entire weekends at a time and a minimum of six hours per day on weekdays, including Lindsay, Jimmy Dore and Glenn Beck. He would listen to the YouTubers’ political screeds while playing muted video games for hours on end in the Richmond garage he lived in, which had no toilet, shower or bed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those podcasts introduced him to the unfounded ideas that Tom Hanks had raped a young girl, and that Rep. Adam Schiff was somehow linked to child traffickers. More traditional right-wing attacks on Democrats would mix in with his more extreme conspiracy theories, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I fucking love Hunter Biden. He’s like so blatantly corrupt. He doesn’t even try to hide his nepotism,” DePape said on the witness stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was video games that first led DePape down that rabbit hole of far-right-wing personalities who he said expose the truth to help him see “both sides of the story” in current events, and that eventually led him to believe wide-ranging conspiracy theories.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape said he had been looking up video game tips on YouTube when he first encountered information about “gamergate,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.snopes.com/articles/402899/what-was-gamergate/\">a nearly decade-old social media harassment campaign\u003c/a> led by misogynistic male gamers who targeted and threatened violence against women in the video game industry. He then began intensely researching their many spurious claims about feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian, which led him to discover additional targets, DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"More DePape Trial Coverage ","tag":"paul-pelosi"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“I’d look up a [strategy to defeat a video game] boss, and it’d be a total different person, and these people would talk about how toxic Anita Sarkeesian is, over and over and over,” DePape said. “I wanted to find out what was going on here. I wanted to get both sides of the story.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That, DePape said, led his research “deeper and deeper and deeper.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s those same YouTubers, podcasters and others, DePape said, whose ideas slowly brought him from his more left-wing ideals to Pelosi’s home in the early morning of Oct. 28, 2022. Perhaps reflecting the roots of his conspiracy theories, he had a gray Nintendo Switch in his backpack that night, alongside the zip ties and rope he took with him to restrain Nancy Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before DePape’s testimony Tuesday morning, a neurosurgeon, Dr. Michael Huang, testified for the prosecution. He described in gory detail how parts of Paul Pelosi’s skull were shifted by the impact of DePape’s at least three hammer blows.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One photo displayed in court showed Paul Pelosi’s head from the side, with what appeared to be a large portion of the front of his skull flattened from his injuries and a roughly 4-inch laceration going across the back-right part of his skull, which was shaved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape said he hadn’t gone to the Pelosi home that night intending to hurt Paul Pelosi, just his wife. But he said he was willing to “go through” the then-82-year-old because the old man was stopping him from prevailing in his plan against “evil.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hearing the medical report about Paul Pelosi’s injuries was “really chilling,” DePape said from the stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After he assaulted Pelosi and saw him lying on the ground breathing heavily, “I felt really scared for his life,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Closing arguments are expected to take place Wednesday morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>This story has been updated.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11967247/david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi","authors":["11690"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_28537","news_17725","news_31923","news_27626","news_177","news_31916","news_17968","news_29025"],"featImg":"news_11967326","label":"news"},"news_11966865":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11966865","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11966865","score":null,"sort":[1699556659000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"defense-focuses-on-conspiracy-theories-in-first-day-of-trial-over-attempted-nancy-pelosi-kidnapping","title":"DePape's Conspiracy Beliefs in Focus as Trial Begins Over Attempted Nancy Pelosi Kidnapping","publishDate":1699556659,"format":"standard","headTitle":"DePape’s Conspiracy Beliefs in Focus as Trial Begins Over Attempted Nancy Pelosi Kidnapping | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 5:30 p.m. Thursday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>David DePape, the man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi, allegedly paid for a subscription service to find details about public figures he intended to target and saved personal information about former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — who he variously referred to as evil, a liar and “the leader of the pack” — in a folder labeled “favorite politicians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That ominous electronic trail is among the steps DePape took in the week before he rode BART from the East Bay, boarded a San Francisco Muni bus, and arrived at the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights home in the early hours of Oct. 28, 2022, federal prosecutor Laura Vartain Horn told the jury in her opening statement Thursday in a San Francisco courtroom.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Jodi Linker, federal public defender\"]‘This is not a whodunnit. But what the government fails to acknowledge is the why-dunnit. And the why matters. The why is what makes this a federal case.’[/pullquote]DePape, she said, would go on to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11939421/sf-court-releases-911-call-and-sfpd-body-cam-recordings-of-paul-pelosi-attack\">break into the home\u003c/a> and, when he discovered Nancy Pelosi wasn’t there, hold her 82-year-old husband, Paul Pelosi, hostage before striking him in the head with a hammer in front of two San Francisco police officers, who captured the attack on video.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you stop me from going after people, you will take the punishment instead,” was one of the threats DePape made to Paul Pelosi, Horn told the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The defendant unleashed his plan of violence on the next closest thing to the speaker, her husband, Paul,” Horn said as she displayed photos of Paul Pelosi lying in a pool of his own blood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution’s case, Horn said, would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that DePape intended to retaliate against Nancy Pelosi “because of her job.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Conspiracy theory as defense\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>But DePape, who faces life in prison for two felony counts, including attempted kidnapping of a federal officer and assault on the immediate family member of a federal official, does not dispute anything about what happened that night, said Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker, the suspect’s attorney, in her opening statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is not a whodunnit,” Linker told the jury. “But what the government fails to acknowledge is the why-dunnit. And the why matters. The why is what makes this a federal case.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966971\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966971\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg\" alt=\"a watercolor sketch showing a judge behind a bench and various people seated while a standing person speaks\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-1536x864.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker (pointing), David DePape’s attorney, gives her opening statement in a San Francisco courtroom on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The defense strategy has \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966378/federal-trial-set-to-start-for-man-who-attacked-nancy-pelosis-husband-with-a-hammer\">largely been a mystery in the weeks leading up to the start of the trial\u003c/a>. That strategy, Linker’s initial arguments suggest, is to convince the jury that DePape’s beliefs are “wholly unrelated to Nancy Pelosi’s official duties.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker began her statement by reciting a litany of DePape’s extremist conspiracy theories: accusing actor Tom Hanks of raping a child, nodding to George Soros’ perceived control of mainstream media, calling out Gov. Gavin Newsom for “trampling on all our constitutional rights.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Hunter Biden is so blatantly corrupt, there is simply no end to what he will do,” Linker said, listing more of DePape’s baseless theories. “Adam Schiff abuses children.”[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]It was revealed in court Thursday that Schiff, the U.S. Democratic congressman from Burbank, was among those DePape planned to attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Nancy Pelosi is a culture warrior, the face of the Democratic Party,” Linker added to her recitation. “Her army is the Democratic National Committee and her weapon is the mainstream media. … That is tyranny. That is corruption. That is killing the tree of liberty.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Members of the jury, many of us do not believe any of that,” Linker concluded. “You may think it’s bogus. You may think they’re harmful lies, lies you think are destroying the country. But the evidence in the trial will show Mr. DePape believes these things. He believes them with every ounce of his being.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape developed these beliefs via a steady diet of video games, “listening to podcast after podcast and watching YouTube video after YouTube video … that fed him lies and prompted him to reveal the truth,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both of the charges against DePape presume he was motivated by Pelosi’s official position, not by the outlandish conspiracy theories that drove his actions, Linker argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Pelosi home was only the first stop on DePape’s intended journey, Linker added, and had he not been arrested there, he would have then tried to track down Tom Hanks, Hunter Biden, George Soros, and gender-theory academic Gayle Rubin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rubin, who will likely testify in the trial next week, had until now only been identified in court filings as DePape’s “Target 1” — the person he could get to by first kidnapping Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why? Because of her writings,” Linker said. “Because he believes she is promoting child molestation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker said the jury will hear from Target 1, “and she is going to say this is all completely false, that she believes no such things. But David believes it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You will also note this is not a very well thought out plan,” Linker added, underscoring that DePape didn’t make it very far down his target list.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>In DePape’s own words\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Testimony on the first day of the trial, which stretched into the afternoon, included video and audio of DePape explaining his motivations and admitting to his plan to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and then go after more politicians and academics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point on video captured by a police body camera, DePape even expressed remorse for hitting Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I didn’t really want to hurt him, but, you know, this was a suicide mission,” DePape said. “The shit going on in Washington, D.C. — it’s so fucking sick. I’m not just going to stand here and do nothing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added: “There’s no denying what I did. The cops watched me do it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape also made a separate, recorded statement to police after his arrest, portions of which were played for the jury on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967018\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967018\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch showing one woman in a courtroom standing, questioning another women, sitting, while a man, sitting, watches. \" width=\"2560\" height=\"1440\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Assistant U.S. Attorney Helen Gilbert (right) questions San Francisco Police Lt. Carla Hurley (center), as defendant David DePape looks on during the first day of his trial in San Francisco on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He described the difficulty he had breaking through the sliding glass door of the Pelosi home, which he hit a total of 16 times before shoving his way through just after 2 a.m., according to court records.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was not easy. That’s like, special glass,” DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the recording, DePape also described being surprised, after walking through the otherwise empty house, to find Paul Pelosi asleep in his bedroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape said he had been uncertain about what to do next after learning from Pelosi that his wife was not home and wouldn’t be for several days, according to his recorded statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape recounted, on the recording, how Paul Pelosi eventually retrieved a cell phone from the bathroom and used it to call 911 and was “pushing me into a corner where I have to do something.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have other targets, and I can’t be soft about him,” DePape said. “If I have to go through him, I will.”[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"David DePape, recorded on police body camera\"]‘I didn’t really want to hurt him, but, you know, this was a suicide mission. … There’s no denying what I did. The cops watched me do it.’[/pullquote]As DePape feared, that 911 call resulted in two officers knocking on the door of the Pelosi home a short time later. Body camera footage made public in late January captured the interaction, with Paul Pelosi and DePape standing awkwardly in the doorway, both with a hand on the hammer DePape brought.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He [Pelosi] thinks that I’ll just surrender,” DePape said on the police recording. “I didn’t come here to surrender.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So basically, I yank it away from him and hit him,” he continued. “I have no idea how many times I hit him.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the defense’s cross-examination of police officers on Thursday, it was revealed that after the incident, Paul Pelosi regained consciousness at his home before he was taken to the hospital where he would undergo surgery for a fractured skull.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On police body camera video, played in court, Paul Pelosi appeared lucid while initially being treated in his home, and when asked, correctly noted that the year was 2022 and that he was in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He hit me in the head with a hammer,” Pelosi told medical personnel.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A sympathetic observer\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Gypsy Taub, who was in a relationship with DePape for 15 years, attended Thursday’s hearing and later said she was concerned for him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before proceedings commenced on Thursday morning, Taub stood in the courtroom handing out cards for a website promulgating a “Paul Pelosi coverup.” For evidence, she argued that the respective time stamps on the surveillance and body camera videos don’t line up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape and Taub also had two children together, both of whom are now adults and were in the courtroom on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taub, who was recently released from prison after being convicted of stalking a minor, said she had spoken to DePape on the phone on Wednesday night and had just found old photos of him that reminded her how much she loved him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I feel sad for him,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Testimony in the case is expected to continue into next week. Potential witnesses remaining for the prosecution include Paul Pelosi himself, as well as the surgeon who operated on him and federal agents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The prosecution and defense made their opening statements Thursday in the trial of the man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer while attempting to kidnap his wife, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700068669,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":44,"wordCount":1736},"headData":{"title":"DePape's Conspiracy Beliefs in Focus as Trial Begins Over Attempted Nancy Pelosi Kidnapping | KQED","description":"The prosecution and defense made their opening statements Thursday in the trial of the man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer while attempting to kidnap his wife, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/144447fa-bcbf-42f0-91e5-b0ba01442cb4/audio.mp3","WpOldSlug":"belief-in-conspiracy-theories-take-center-stage-in-first-day-of-david-depape-trial","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11966865/defense-focuses-on-conspiracy-theories-in-first-day-of-trial-over-attempted-nancy-pelosi-kidnapping","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 5:30 p.m. Thursday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>David DePape, the man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi, allegedly paid for a subscription service to find details about public figures he intended to target and saved personal information about former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — who he variously referred to as evil, a liar and “the leader of the pack” — in a folder labeled “favorite politicians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That ominous electronic trail is among the steps DePape took in the week before he rode BART from the East Bay, boarded a San Francisco Muni bus, and arrived at the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights home in the early hours of Oct. 28, 2022, federal prosecutor Laura Vartain Horn told the jury in her opening statement Thursday in a San Francisco courtroom.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘This is not a whodunnit. But what the government fails to acknowledge is the why-dunnit. And the why matters. The why is what makes this a federal case.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Jodi Linker, federal public defender","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>DePape, she said, would go on to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11939421/sf-court-releases-911-call-and-sfpd-body-cam-recordings-of-paul-pelosi-attack\">break into the home\u003c/a> and, when he discovered Nancy Pelosi wasn’t there, hold her 82-year-old husband, Paul Pelosi, hostage before striking him in the head with a hammer in front of two San Francisco police officers, who captured the attack on video.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you stop me from going after people, you will take the punishment instead,” was one of the threats DePape made to Paul Pelosi, Horn told the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The defendant unleashed his plan of violence on the next closest thing to the speaker, her husband, Paul,” Horn said as she displayed photos of Paul Pelosi lying in a pool of his own blood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution’s case, Horn said, would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that DePape intended to retaliate against Nancy Pelosi “because of her job.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Conspiracy theory as defense\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>But DePape, who faces life in prison for two felony counts, including attempted kidnapping of a federal officer and assault on the immediate family member of a federal official, does not dispute anything about what happened that night, said Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker, the suspect’s attorney, in her opening statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is not a whodunnit,” Linker told the jury. “But what the government fails to acknowledge is the why-dunnit. And the why matters. The why is what makes this a federal case.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966971\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966971\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg\" alt=\"a watercolor sketch showing a judge behind a bench and various people seated while a standing person speaks\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-1536x864.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker (pointing), David DePape’s attorney, gives her opening statement in a San Francisco courtroom on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The defense strategy has \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966378/federal-trial-set-to-start-for-man-who-attacked-nancy-pelosis-husband-with-a-hammer\">largely been a mystery in the weeks leading up to the start of the trial\u003c/a>. That strategy, Linker’s initial arguments suggest, is to convince the jury that DePape’s beliefs are “wholly unrelated to Nancy Pelosi’s official duties.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker began her statement by reciting a litany of DePape’s extremist conspiracy theories: accusing actor Tom Hanks of raping a child, nodding to George Soros’ perceived control of mainstream media, calling out Gov. Gavin Newsom for “trampling on all our constitutional rights.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Hunter Biden is so blatantly corrupt, there is simply no end to what he will do,” Linker said, listing more of DePape’s baseless theories. “Adam Schiff abuses children.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"paul-pelosi"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>It was revealed in court Thursday that Schiff, the U.S. Democratic congressman from Burbank, was among those DePape planned to attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Nancy Pelosi is a culture warrior, the face of the Democratic Party,” Linker added to her recitation. “Her army is the Democratic National Committee and her weapon is the mainstream media. … That is tyranny. That is corruption. That is killing the tree of liberty.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Members of the jury, many of us do not believe any of that,” Linker concluded. “You may think it’s bogus. You may think they’re harmful lies, lies you think are destroying the country. But the evidence in the trial will show Mr. DePape believes these things. He believes them with every ounce of his being.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape developed these beliefs via a steady diet of video games, “listening to podcast after podcast and watching YouTube video after YouTube video … that fed him lies and prompted him to reveal the truth,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both of the charges against DePape presume he was motivated by Pelosi’s official position, not by the outlandish conspiracy theories that drove his actions, Linker argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Pelosi home was only the first stop on DePape’s intended journey, Linker added, and had he not been arrested there, he would have then tried to track down Tom Hanks, Hunter Biden, George Soros, and gender-theory academic Gayle Rubin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rubin, who will likely testify in the trial next week, had until now only been identified in court filings as DePape’s “Target 1” — the person he could get to by first kidnapping Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why? Because of her writings,” Linker said. “Because he believes she is promoting child molestation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker said the jury will hear from Target 1, “and she is going to say this is all completely false, that she believes no such things. But David believes it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You will also note this is not a very well thought out plan,” Linker added, underscoring that DePape didn’t make it very far down his target list.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>In DePape’s own words\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Testimony on the first day of the trial, which stretched into the afternoon, included video and audio of DePape explaining his motivations and admitting to his plan to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and then go after more politicians and academics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point on video captured by a police body camera, DePape even expressed remorse for hitting Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I didn’t really want to hurt him, but, you know, this was a suicide mission,” DePape said. “The shit going on in Washington, D.C. — it’s so fucking sick. I’m not just going to stand here and do nothing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added: “There’s no denying what I did. The cops watched me do it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape also made a separate, recorded statement to police after his arrest, portions of which were played for the jury on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967018\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967018\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch showing one woman in a courtroom standing, questioning another women, sitting, while a man, sitting, watches. \" width=\"2560\" height=\"1440\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/IMG_5218-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Assistant U.S. Attorney Helen Gilbert (right) questions San Francisco Police Lt. Carla Hurley (center), as defendant David DePape looks on during the first day of his trial in San Francisco on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He described the difficulty he had breaking through the sliding glass door of the Pelosi home, which he hit a total of 16 times before shoving his way through just after 2 a.m., according to court records.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was not easy. That’s like, special glass,” DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the recording, DePape also described being surprised, after walking through the otherwise empty house, to find Paul Pelosi asleep in his bedroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape said he had been uncertain about what to do next after learning from Pelosi that his wife was not home and wouldn’t be for several days, according to his recorded statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape recounted, on the recording, how Paul Pelosi eventually retrieved a cell phone from the bathroom and used it to call 911 and was “pushing me into a corner where I have to do something.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have other targets, and I can’t be soft about him,” DePape said. “If I have to go through him, I will.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘I didn’t really want to hurt him, but, you know, this was a suicide mission. … There’s no denying what I did. The cops watched me do it.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"David DePape, recorded on police body camera","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>As DePape feared, that 911 call resulted in two officers knocking on the door of the Pelosi home a short time later. Body camera footage made public in late January captured the interaction, with Paul Pelosi and DePape standing awkwardly in the doorway, both with a hand on the hammer DePape brought.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He [Pelosi] thinks that I’ll just surrender,” DePape said on the police recording. “I didn’t come here to surrender.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So basically, I yank it away from him and hit him,” he continued. “I have no idea how many times I hit him.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the defense’s cross-examination of police officers on Thursday, it was revealed that after the incident, Paul Pelosi regained consciousness at his home before he was taken to the hospital where he would undergo surgery for a fractured skull.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On police body camera video, played in court, Paul Pelosi appeared lucid while initially being treated in his home, and when asked, correctly noted that the year was 2022 and that he was in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He hit me in the head with a hammer,” Pelosi told medical personnel.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A sympathetic observer\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Gypsy Taub, who was in a relationship with DePape for 15 years, attended Thursday’s hearing and later said she was concerned for him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before proceedings commenced on Thursday morning, Taub stood in the courtroom handing out cards for a website promulgating a “Paul Pelosi coverup.” For evidence, she argued that the respective time stamps on the surveillance and body camera videos don’t line up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape and Taub also had two children together, both of whom are now adults and were in the courtroom on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taub, who was recently released from prison after being convicted of stalking a minor, said she had spoken to DePape on the phone on Wednesday night and had just found old photos of him that reminded her how much she loved him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I feel sad for him,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Testimony in the case is expected to continue into next week. Potential witnesses remaining for the prosecution include Paul Pelosi himself, as well as the surgeon who operated on him and federal agents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11966865/defense-focuses-on-conspiracy-theories-in-first-day-of-trial-over-attempted-nancy-pelosi-kidnapping","authors":["11690","3206"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_28537","news_17725","news_31923","news_27626","news_177","news_31916","news_17968","news_29025"],"featImg":"news_11966873","label":"news"},"news_11966378":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11966378","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11966378","score":null,"sort":[1699272059000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"federal-trial-set-to-start-for-man-who-attacked-nancy-pelosis-husband-with-a-hammer","title":"Federal Trial Set to Start for Man Charged With Assaulting Paul Pelosi. What You Need to Know","publishDate":1699272059,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Federal Trial Set to Start for Man Charged With Assaulting Paul Pelosi. What You Need to Know | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>American-grown extremism could take center stage at a federal trial in San Francisco starting this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>David DePape, 43, faces charges of attempted kidnapping of a federal official — former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — and assault on the immediate family member of a federal official — her husband, Paul Pelosi. DePape could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jury selection in the trial starts this week, with opening statements scheduled for Nov. 9.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But arguments during the trial may go beyond the straightforward legal debate of whether DePape is guilty of bludgeoning Paul Pelosi with a hammer in his San Francisco home last year as part of a plot to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and other left-leaning public figures.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Rachel Goldwasser, Southern Poverty Law Center\"]‘I think the biggest fear is that people who are following it with a conspiratorial view become angrier and even more hostile toward Nancy Pelosi, her family and other politicians as well.’[/pullquote]DePape’s alleged act of political violence last year followed a steady drumbeat of villainization against Pelosi in national right-wing media, and there are concerns that the suspect, who appears to have been motivated by his belief in far-right conspiracy theories, could turn the witness stand into a pulpit to evangelize his beliefs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys, who are federal public defenders, have attempted to keep their courtroom strategy a secret. However, according to pretrial motions, they do not intend to argue insanity. There’s even a chance DePape may take the stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The damning evidence against DePape includes surveillance video of him breaking into the Pelosi home and police body-camera video of him attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer. After his arrest, DePape told officers he intended to kidnap Nancy Pelosi, the first among the several public figures he planned to target. Police found zip ties, a roll of duct tape, rope and gloves in his backpack.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Message of extremism’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>But DePape and his legal team may not care about winning a not-guilty verdict, Loyola Law School professor Laurie Levenson told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“His greatest goal may be to spread his message of extremism,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trial comes at a potential cost to at least one secret witness, another of DePape’s alleged targets whose safety could be at risk if asked to testify, the witness’s attorney has argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. District Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley ruled recently that an unnamed person, referred to in court documents as “Target 1,” could be compelled to testify. Target 1 is identified in a federal indictment as a high priority on DePape’s list of targets — the person whom he allegedly sought to lure by first taking Nancy Pelosi hostage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In San Francisco Superior Court last year, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-nancy-pelosi-government-and-politics-3a0ec4302ee4f11c612678038997c0d7\">a San Francisco police lieutenant said\u003c/a> DePape’s target list included Gov. Gavin Newsom, Hunter Biden (President Joe Biden’s son), actor Tom Hanks and sex and gender-theory academic Gayle Rubin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Corley also permitted federal prosecutors to use audio of a Jan. 27 phone call DePape made from his jail cell to a local TV news reporter. During the call, DePape apologized for failing in his alleged plans to target government officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The tree of liberty needs watering,” he said. “We need men of valor, patriots willing to put their own lives on the line to stand in opposition to tyranny.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That message has a receptive audience in an ever-growing community of conspiracy theorists, said Rachel Goldwasser, an analyst for the Southern Poverty Law Center. DePape’s trial, she said, could galvanize people already sympathetic to QAnon and similar anti-government perspectives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think the biggest fear is that people who are following it with a conspiratorial view become angrier and even more hostile toward Nancy Pelosi, her family and other politicians as well,” Goldwasser said. “The threats have gone up quite a lot in the last few years, and it doesn’t look like they’re going to reduce any time soon.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Radicalized in recent years\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>DePape didn’t always traffic in conspiracy theories.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His one-time girlfriend, the nudist Gypsy Taub, who recently served time for attempting to abduct a minor, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/ex-girlfriend-of-suspect-in-paul-pelosi-attack-17545968.php\">told the San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/a> that DePape “didn’t know anything about politics” when they met in Hawaii in 2000. Only later did a combination of mental illness and drug use cause him to lose grip on reality, she said.[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]Years later, DePape, a Canadian-born carpenter living in the East Bay city of Richmond, published blog posts trafficking in QAnon conspiracy theories, railing against space aliens, communists, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11930523/conspiracy-theories-and-qanon-posts-shed-light-on-suspect-in-assault-at-pelosi-home\">religious minorities and transgender people\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement to police after he was arrested, DePape characterized Nancy Pelosi as the “leader of the pack” telling Democratic Party lies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape is accused of breaking into the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights home in San Francisco at around 2 a.m. on Oct. 28, 2022. The federal indictment recounts key events: He smashed through their glass side door with a hammer, woke Paul Pelosi from bed and told him he was looking for Nancy Pelosi. Paul Pelosi got hold of a cell phone in his bathroom and managed to signal for help by calling 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By 2:31 a.m., a pair of police officers arrived, their body cameras recording as they knocked on the door. Paul Pelosi and DePape answered the door, both of them with one hand on a hammer. When an officer ordered DePape to “drop the hammer,” he said, “Um nope,” pulled his hammer back and swung at Pelosi’s head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paul Pelosi underwent surgery to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11930397/nancy-pelosis-husband-assaulted-in-san-francisco-break-in\">repair a skull fracture\u003c/a> along with medical treatment for severe injuries to his hand when he tried to block the hammer blow. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11964329/nancy-pelosi-on-israel-and-the-house-speaker-fight\">Nancy Pelosi told KQED\u003c/a> during a live interview last month that her husband is still recovering, and he may be fully healed by the end of this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Judge considers allowing key evidence\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors and defense attorneys have sparred in pretrial motions over what evidence will be shown to the jury, including a January in-custody phone call from DePape to KTVU reporter Amber Lee and photos and video showing a bloodied Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.ktvu.com/news/depape-in-bizarre-phone-call-to-ktvu-says-he-should-have-been-more-prepared\">In that call\u003c/a>, DePape said, “I want to apologize to everyone. I messed up. What I did was really bad. I’m so sorry I didn’t get more of them. It’s my own fault. No one else is to blame. I should have come better prepared.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added, “Liberty isn’t dying, it’s being systematically killed,” and that “people killing it have names and addresses, so I got their names and addresses, so I could pay them a little visit and have a heart-to-heart chat about their bad behavior.” He called for “men of valor, patriots willing to put their own lives on the line to stand in opposition to tyranny.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003cbr>\nThe defense argued in a pretrial motion that the call did not touch on Nancy or Paul Pelosi “or prove any of the necessary elements of the offenses charged.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They argued that the call would be inflammatory to a jury and unduly sway them through emotion instead of evidence. Corley ultimately ruled that federal prosecutors could present excerpts from the call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stanford Law professor Robert Weisberg said the phone call is particularly damning for DePape and a gift to prosecutors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Was that gold wrapped as a present to the U.S. government? Was it the government’s birthday? Was it July Fourth?” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys have also sought to limit how much video footage of the hammer attack prosecutors are allowed to show the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assistant U.S. Attorney Laura Vartain Horn told Judge Corley late last month that the video shows Paul Pelosi lying on the floor “in his own blood.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It shows a different angle. You hear Mr. Pelosi’s breathing, which is difficult,” Horn said, and it shows emergency personnel attempting to stop his blood flow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Federal public defender Angela Chuang argued the video is shocking and would wrongly sway the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is prejudicial. There’s no question about that. That’s just the nature of what happened,” Corley said in response. “A picture is worth a thousand words.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Mysterious Target 1 to take witness stand\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Corley cleared the courtroom when DePape’s attorneys argued at a hearing late last month that subpoenaing the unnamed witness identified in the federal indictment as Target 1 was crucial to the defense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Corley ruled after the closed-door hearing that Target 1 would testify, a ruling that came over the objections of Target 1’s attorney, Ed Swanson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Swanson said DePape’s “call to arms” in his phone call to KTVU endangered his client. He said that since she was named as one of DePape’s targets, she was forced to make “fundamental changes” in her family life and professional life to guarantee their safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are people out there who are particularly worrisome to my client and her employer, who have gone to great lengths to do everything possible to make my client safe,” Swanson argued. “This will make my client less safe.”[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Laurie Levenson, Loyola Law School professor\"]‘Cases that look easy, you have to be careful because jurors will have high expectations,” she said. “In high profile cases, unusual things can happen.’[/pullquote]Corley apologized to Swanson and his client but said the worry right now is a “generalized concern” instead of a specific one and erred on the side of honoring DePape’s right to a fair trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We get threats just being a judge in a video game case,” Corley said. “It’s a crazy, terrible world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court is aiming to keep Target 1’s name under wraps, though those in attendance will be able to see the person’s face. Corley has said Target 1’s testimony is expected to be public. That could change as further hearings on Target 1 are expected this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson, of Loyola Law School, said there may be good reasons to keep Target 1’s identity hidden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It may be that DePape is out of commission, but the court has to worry whether he has followers out there who will take up the mantle, the mission for him,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Legal defense remains a mystery\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys have noted in an October court filing that they’re trying to avoid “prematurely revealing details of defense trial strategy and theory.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And that strategy remains a mystery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Weisberg, from Stanford Law School, said it makes sense that DePape doesn’t plan to argue insanity as a defense as it’s an “incredibly hard” legal bar to clear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You have to prove that because of your incapacity, you had no ability to even know what you were doing was wrong,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The defense’s witness list is brief: one redacted name who may be Target 1, Pelosi’s chief of staff, Daniel Bernal, Elizabeth Yates, \u003ca href=\"https://humanrightsfirst.org/library/yates-testifies-on-extremist-threat-to-americans-and-democracy/\">an extremism and antisemitism researcher\u003c/a>, federal public defender Catherine Goulet and DePape himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecutors’ witness list, in contrast, is two pages long, sporting 15 names, most of whom are police officers, federal agents and various emergency responders. Paul Pelosi is also named as a potential witness. Nancy Pelosi is not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At an October pretrial hearing, Corley shot down the defense bid to ask jurors for their voting histories, calling the move “invasive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It will reduce faith in our system. I’m just not going to allow it,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson, from Loyola Law School, said finding even one juror who finds conspiracy theories plausible could be key for the defense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All they frankly need is one sympathizer, one person who says, ‘I don’t like DePape, but his message is one that I relate to,’” Levenson said. “If that happens, then you might not get the unanimous verdict that the prosecution has to get.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson cautioned against assuming the case will be an easy win for prosecutors, even in light of what she called “strong evidence” showing DePape’s attack, demonstrating his motivations and communicating his desire to continue his mission even after his arrest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cases that look easy, you have to be careful because jurors will have high expectations,” she said. “In high profile cases, unusual things can happen.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Correction (Nov. 8): An earlier version of this story listed David DePape’s age as 42 years old. That was his age at the time of his arrest last year. He is now 43.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"David DePape is accused of attempting to kidnap former House Speaker Pelosi and, in the process, brutally assaulting her husband, Paul Pelosi. If convicted, he could be sentenced to life in prison.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700068758,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":55,"wordCount":2234},"headData":{"title":"Federal Trial Set to Start for Man Charged With Assaulting Paul Pelosi. What You Need to Know | KQED","description":"David DePape is accused of attempting to kidnap former House Speaker Pelosi and, in the process, brutally assaulting her husband, Paul Pelosi. 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DePape could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jury selection in the trial starts this week, with opening statements scheduled for Nov. 9.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But arguments during the trial may go beyond the straightforward legal debate of whether DePape is guilty of bludgeoning Paul Pelosi with a hammer in his San Francisco home last year as part of a plot to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and other left-leaning public figures.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘I think the biggest fear is that people who are following it with a conspiratorial view become angrier and even more hostile toward Nancy Pelosi, her family and other politicians as well.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Rachel Goldwasser, Southern Poverty Law Center","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>DePape’s alleged act of political violence last year followed a steady drumbeat of villainization against Pelosi in national right-wing media, and there are concerns that the suspect, who appears to have been motivated by his belief in far-right conspiracy theories, could turn the witness stand into a pulpit to evangelize his beliefs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys, who are federal public defenders, have attempted to keep their courtroom strategy a secret. However, according to pretrial motions, they do not intend to argue insanity. There’s even a chance DePape may take the stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The damning evidence against DePape includes surveillance video of him breaking into the Pelosi home and police body-camera video of him attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer. After his arrest, DePape told officers he intended to kidnap Nancy Pelosi, the first among the several public figures he planned to target. Police found zip ties, a roll of duct tape, rope and gloves in his backpack.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Message of extremism’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>But DePape and his legal team may not care about winning a not-guilty verdict, Loyola Law School professor Laurie Levenson told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“His greatest goal may be to spread his message of extremism,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trial comes at a potential cost to at least one secret witness, another of DePape’s alleged targets whose safety could be at risk if asked to testify, the witness’s attorney has argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. District Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley ruled recently that an unnamed person, referred to in court documents as “Target 1,” could be compelled to testify. Target 1 is identified in a federal indictment as a high priority on DePape’s list of targets — the person whom he allegedly sought to lure by first taking Nancy Pelosi hostage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In San Francisco Superior Court last year, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-nancy-pelosi-government-and-politics-3a0ec4302ee4f11c612678038997c0d7\">a San Francisco police lieutenant said\u003c/a> DePape’s target list included Gov. Gavin Newsom, Hunter Biden (President Joe Biden’s son), actor Tom Hanks and sex and gender-theory academic Gayle Rubin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Corley also permitted federal prosecutors to use audio of a Jan. 27 phone call DePape made from his jail cell to a local TV news reporter. During the call, DePape apologized for failing in his alleged plans to target government officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The tree of liberty needs watering,” he said. “We need men of valor, patriots willing to put their own lives on the line to stand in opposition to tyranny.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That message has a receptive audience in an ever-growing community of conspiracy theorists, said Rachel Goldwasser, an analyst for the Southern Poverty Law Center. DePape’s trial, she said, could galvanize people already sympathetic to QAnon and similar anti-government perspectives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think the biggest fear is that people who are following it with a conspiratorial view become angrier and even more hostile toward Nancy Pelosi, her family and other politicians as well,” Goldwasser said. “The threats have gone up quite a lot in the last few years, and it doesn’t look like they’re going to reduce any time soon.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Radicalized in recent years\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>DePape didn’t always traffic in conspiracy theories.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His one-time girlfriend, the nudist Gypsy Taub, who recently served time for attempting to abduct a minor, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/ex-girlfriend-of-suspect-in-paul-pelosi-attack-17545968.php\">told the San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/a> that DePape “didn’t know anything about politics” when they met in Hawaii in 2000. Only later did a combination of mental illness and drug use cause him to lose grip on reality, she said.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"paul-pelosi"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Years later, DePape, a Canadian-born carpenter living in the East Bay city of Richmond, published blog posts trafficking in QAnon conspiracy theories, railing against space aliens, communists, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11930523/conspiracy-theories-and-qanon-posts-shed-light-on-suspect-in-assault-at-pelosi-home\">religious minorities and transgender people\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement to police after he was arrested, DePape characterized Nancy Pelosi as the “leader of the pack” telling Democratic Party lies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape is accused of breaking into the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights home in San Francisco at around 2 a.m. on Oct. 28, 2022. 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When an officer ordered DePape to “drop the hammer,” he said, “Um nope,” pulled his hammer back and swung at Pelosi’s head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paul Pelosi underwent surgery to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11930397/nancy-pelosis-husband-assaulted-in-san-francisco-break-in\">repair a skull fracture\u003c/a> along with medical treatment for severe injuries to his hand when he tried to block the hammer blow. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11964329/nancy-pelosi-on-israel-and-the-house-speaker-fight\">Nancy Pelosi told KQED\u003c/a> during a live interview last month that her husband is still recovering, and he may be fully healed by the end of this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Judge considers allowing key evidence\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors and defense attorneys have sparred in pretrial motions over what evidence will be shown to the jury, including a January in-custody phone call from DePape to KTVU reporter Amber Lee and photos and video showing a bloodied Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.ktvu.com/news/depape-in-bizarre-phone-call-to-ktvu-says-he-should-have-been-more-prepared\">In that call\u003c/a>, DePape said, “I want to apologize to everyone. I messed up. What I did was really bad. I’m so sorry I didn’t get more of them. It’s my own fault. No one else is to blame. I should have come better prepared.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added, “Liberty isn’t dying, it’s being systematically killed,” and that “people killing it have names and addresses, so I got their names and addresses, so I could pay them a little visit and have a heart-to-heart chat about their bad behavior.” He called for “men of valor, patriots willing to put their own lives on the line to stand in opposition to tyranny.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cbr>\nThe defense argued in a pretrial motion that the call did not touch on Nancy or Paul Pelosi “or prove any of the necessary elements of the offenses charged.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They argued that the call would be inflammatory to a jury and unduly sway them through emotion instead of evidence. Corley ultimately ruled that federal prosecutors could present excerpts from the call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stanford Law professor Robert Weisberg said the phone call is particularly damning for DePape and a gift to prosecutors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Was that gold wrapped as a present to the U.S. government? Was it the government’s birthday? Was it July Fourth?” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys have also sought to limit how much video footage of the hammer attack prosecutors are allowed to show the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assistant U.S. Attorney Laura Vartain Horn told Judge Corley late last month that the video shows Paul Pelosi lying on the floor “in his own blood.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It shows a different angle. 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That’s just the nature of what happened,” Corley said in response. “A picture is worth a thousand words.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Mysterious Target 1 to take witness stand\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Corley cleared the courtroom when DePape’s attorneys argued at a hearing late last month that subpoenaing the unnamed witness identified in the federal indictment as Target 1 was crucial to the defense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Corley ruled after the closed-door hearing that Target 1 would testify, a ruling that came over the objections of Target 1’s attorney, Ed Swanson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Swanson said DePape’s “call to arms” in his phone call to KTVU endangered his client. He said that since she was named as one of DePape’s targets, she was forced to make “fundamental changes” in her family life and professional life to guarantee their safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are people out there who are particularly worrisome to my client and her employer, who have gone to great lengths to do everything possible to make my client safe,” Swanson argued. “This will make my client less safe.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘Cases that look easy, you have to be careful because jurors will have high expectations,” she said. “In high profile cases, unusual things can happen.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Laurie Levenson, Loyola Law School professor","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Corley apologized to Swanson and his client but said the worry right now is a “generalized concern” instead of a specific one and erred on the side of honoring DePape’s right to a fair trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We get threats just being a judge in a video game case,” Corley said. “It’s a crazy, terrible world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court is aiming to keep Target 1’s name under wraps, though those in attendance will be able to see the person’s face. Corley has said Target 1’s testimony is expected to be public. That could change as further hearings on Target 1 are expected this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson, of Loyola Law School, said there may be good reasons to keep Target 1’s identity hidden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It may be that DePape is out of commission, but the court has to worry whether he has followers out there who will take up the mantle, the mission for him,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Legal defense remains a mystery\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys have noted in an October court filing that they’re trying to avoid “prematurely revealing details of defense trial strategy and theory.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And that strategy remains a mystery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Weisberg, from Stanford Law School, said it makes sense that DePape doesn’t plan to argue insanity as a defense as it’s an “incredibly hard” legal bar to clear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You have to prove that because of your incapacity, you had no ability to even know what you were doing was wrong,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The defense’s witness list is brief: one redacted name who may be Target 1, Pelosi’s chief of staff, Daniel Bernal, Elizabeth Yates, \u003ca href=\"https://humanrightsfirst.org/library/yates-testifies-on-extremist-threat-to-americans-and-democracy/\">an extremism and antisemitism researcher\u003c/a>, federal public defender Catherine Goulet and DePape himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecutors’ witness list, in contrast, is two pages long, sporting 15 names, most of whom are police officers, federal agents and various emergency responders. Paul Pelosi is also named as a potential witness. Nancy Pelosi is not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At an October pretrial hearing, Corley shot down the defense bid to ask jurors for their voting histories, calling the move “invasive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It will reduce faith in our system. I’m just not going to allow it,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson, from Loyola Law School, said finding even one juror who finds conspiracy theories plausible could be key for the defense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All they frankly need is one sympathizer, one person who says, ‘I don’t like DePape, but his message is one that I relate to,’” Levenson said. “If that happens, then you might not get the unanimous verdict that the prosecution has to get.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson cautioned against assuming the case will be an easy win for prosecutors, even in light of what she called “strong evidence” showing DePape’s attack, demonstrating his motivations and communicating his desire to continue his mission even after his arrest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cases that look easy, you have to be careful because jurors will have high expectations,” she said. “In high profile cases, unusual things can happen.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Correction (Nov. 8): An earlier version of this story listed David DePape’s age as 42 years old. 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