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href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/02/11/1156279273/anne-frank-house-amsterdam-holocaust-antisemitic-projection\">displayed on the Anne Frank House\u003c/a> in Amsterdam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wilson is a public figure of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11940804/tracing-the-bay-area-roots-of-a-neo-nazi-propaganda-group\">Goyim Defense League, an American neo-Nazi hate group that spreads antisemitic messages online\u003c/a>, with flyer distributions and through street demonstrations. GDL members participated in at least 450 antisemitic campaigns across 42 states last year, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and are connected to \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/goyim-defense-league\">11 arrests or criminal cases\u003c/a> nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 41-year-old Wilson, who is originally from Canada, was supposed to stand trial in San Diego County for allegedly \u003ca href=\"https://www.sdcda.org/content/office/newsroom/tempDownloads/255a9815-e2fe-4007-94b3-8a4cdc65d9e0_Hate%20Crime%20Charges%20Robert%20Wilson%2012-27-2021.pdf\">assaulting his next-door neighbor while yelling homophobic slurs in late 2021 (PDF)\u003c/a>. inewsource reported in February that Wilson \u003ca href=\"https://inewsource.org/2023/02/14/antisemitic-extremist-evaded-hate-crime-prosecution/\">escaped prosecution and fled to Poland last year\u003c/a>, where he has continued to spread white supremacist messages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In September, a \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/jnewsgabe/status/1565506822617718784\">social media image went viral\u003c/a> showing Wilson standing outside the Auschwitz Memorial in Poland while holding a sign with an antisemitic statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11942321\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1280px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11942321\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz.png\" alt='Two white men wearing sun glasses, a sleeveless t shirt and shorts hold signs while standing outside in the street with buildings to the left and trees to the right. The Signs read \"Shoah the ADL\" and \"Greenblatt suck 6 million dicks.\" A red circle is around the man on the left.' width=\"1280\" height=\"720\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz.png 1280w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz-800x450.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz-1020x574.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz-160x90.png 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">This photo showing Robert Wilson (left) and Jon Minadeo II, formerly of Petaluma, holding signs displaying antisemitic statements outside the Auschwitz Memorial in Poland went viral on social media in August 2022.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Antisemitic rhetoric and hate incidents are on the rise across the U.S. and in other countries. In the Netherlands, laser displays featuring white supremacist messages started appearing on buildings a few months ago. One of the first incidents occurred during a nationally televised New Year's Eve celebration, when the text “White Lives Matter” was \u003ca href=\"https://nltimes.nl/2023/01/01/racist-messages-projected-erasmus-bridge-rotterdam-new-years-fest\">projected on the Erasmus Bridge\u003c/a> in Rotterdam, along with antisemitic language.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label='Bay Area connections' link1='https://www.kqed.org/news/11940804,Read related coverage from KQED tracing the Bay Area roots of a neo-Nazi propaganda group' hero='https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/02/NeoNaziExtremistsmain-1020x570.jpg']On Feb. 6, blue lasers were used to display a message on the house in Amsterdam where 13-year-old Anne Frank chronicled her experience during the Holocaust. The antisemitic text, appearing on the building in Dutch and English, stated that Frank was the “\u003ca href=\"https://www.annefrank.org/en/about-us/news-and-press/news/2023/2/10/antisemitic-projection-anne-frank-house/\">inventor of the ballpoint pen\u003c/a>.” The message referenced a false conspiracy theory that \u003ca href=\"https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/authenticity-diary-anne-frank/\">alleges Frank’s diary was a forgery\u003c/a>, claiming it was written with a ballpoint pen, which was not common in Europe until after World War II.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Days later, a video of the incident appeared in a Telegram group that included members of the Goyim Defense League.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Anne Frank House organization, which runs a museum on the property, said at the time that they “learned of this with shock and revulsion.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“With the projection and the video the perpetrators are attacking the authenticity of Anne Frank's diary and inciting hatred,” the organization said in a statement. “It is an antisemitic and racist film. We are acutely aware of what this means for the Jewish community and for the city of Amsterdam as a whole.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11942322\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11942322\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340.png\" alt='A screenshot from video showing a laser projection on a building wall that says \"Ballp.\"' width=\"1920\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340.png 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-800x445.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-1020x567.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-160x89.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-1536x854.png 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-672x372.png 672w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-1038x576.png 1038w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A still from a video showing part of a laser projection of an antisemitic message on the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam on Feb. 6. The video garnered widespread condemnation and was referenced in high-profile news articles in several countries.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It didn’t take long for citizen sleuths to start digging for possible perpetrators. A research group known as Capitol Terrorists Exposers, which uses digital forensic techniques to track down right-wing extremists, unearthed what they believe to be an original video of the incident, which was posted by “Aryan Bacon” — the name Robert Wilson uses online. The video also includes footage from what appears to be a road trip to Amsterdam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The founder of Capitol Terrorists Exposers said she used videos posted to Wilson’s social media channels to trace the path she believes he took from Poland through Germany to Amsterdam shortly before the incident. One video features a person believed to be Wilson looking at magazines inside a German gas station the day before the Anne Frank House message was displayed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you have a person who is known who has a lot of footage, then it’s very easy,” said Mary, with Capitol Terrorists Exposers. “You’re gonna look at, what does he look like? What kind of clothes does he wear? You know, you try to profile somebody.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>inewsource has agreed to use only Mary’s first name to protect her safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mary and her group also used the road trip footage to identify the type of van the suspect was driving as a black Mercedes-Benz Sprinter, most likely with a Polish license plate. The footage shows the van parked outside the Hard Rock Hotel in Amsterdam and reveals the reflection of the videographer in a car window.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The person filming was wearing a plaid sweater that resembled what Wilson had worn in another video.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And then I was like, OK, now it’s getting interesting,” Mary said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11942319\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1080px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11942319\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1.jpg\" alt=\"A collage showing different photos of a white man, from headshots to full body pictures with arrows and green squares pointing to different pictures.\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1.jpg 1080w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1-800x800.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1-1020x1020.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1-160x160.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A collage shows how citizen sleuths compared a video from the antisemitic broadcast in Amsterdam with online footage of Robert Wilson, including a recording captured by CBS8 outside a San Diego County courthouse. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Capitol Terrorists Exposers)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When Mary sent her research and findings to the Amsterdam police linking Wilson to the events at the Anne Frank House, she received a message in response: “An amazing piece of work! Compliments,” a police officer wrote to her in Dutch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are also very busy with this investigation and had ended up with the same suspect, van and route. Without revealing too much about the research, I can tell you that it is progressing very well. Every bit of information we get helps us, of course.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last week, police told the \u003cem>Volkskrant\u003c/em> newspaper in the Netherlands that they had reviewed the report by Capitol Terrorists Exposers and are happy with “citizens conducting their own investigations.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In this case, that did not lead to new information,” the spokesperson told the newspaper, adding that the police “indeed have the impression” the suspect is not residing in The Netherlands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If he shows up within our borders, we will arrest him,” the officer said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Amsterdam police would not confirm the identity of the suspect in the case for inewsource.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11942317\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1080px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11942317\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037.jpg\" alt=\"A collage of four photos showing with green squares and red circles highlighting different parts of a vehicle.\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037.jpg 1080w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037-800x800.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037-1020x1020.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037-160x160.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A collage created by citizen sleuths shows how they identified the vehicle they believe was driven by a suspect. The material was shared with the Amsterdam police. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Capitol Terrorists Exposers)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Wilson did not respond to requests for comment. He has previously denied assaulting his neighbor in Chula Vista.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A warrant is still out for Wilson’s arrest in San Diego County. The district attorney’s office declined to comment on whether they are attempting to extradite him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mary said she was very encouraged by the response she received from the Amsterdam police and was glad her research on Wilson was in the right hands. She also credited inewsource’s prior coverage on Wilson as a key part of her investigation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Capitol Terrorists Exposers has helped perform research in high-profile cases in the U.S., Mary said, \u003ca href=\"https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sedition-hunters-fbi-capitol-attack-manhunt-online-sleuths_n_60479dd7c5b653040034f749\">including tracing the identities of people who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Mary learned about the incident at the Anne Frank House, the latest of several antisemitic incidents occurring in her home country, she felt compelled to get involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It isn’t a joke. This is serious what they’re doing,” she said. “I cannot sit still. I cannot let it go if I’m able to do something about it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Former Chula Vista resident Robert Wilson, a member of the Goyim Defense League extremist group, is suspected by police for displaying an antisemitic message in Amsterdam.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1677888850,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":31,"wordCount":1337},"headData":{"title":"San Diego Neo-Nazi Suspected in Antisemitic Incident at Anne Frank House | KQED","description":"Former Chula Vista resident Robert Wilson, a member of the Goyim Defense League extremist group, is suspected by police for displaying an antisemitic message in Amsterdam.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"San Diego Neo-Nazi Suspected in Antisemitic Incident at Anne Frank House","datePublished":"2023-03-06T14:01:49.000Z","dateModified":"2023-03-04T00:14:10.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"source":"inewsource","sourceUrl":"https://inewsource.org/","nprByline":"\u003ca href=\"https://inewsource.org/author/jill-castellano/\">Jill Castellano\u003c/a>","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11942315/san-diego-neo-nazi-suspected-in-antisemitic-incident-at-anne-frank-house","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003ci>This story is part of an ongoing project of \u003ca href=\"https://inewsource.org/\">inewssource\u003c/a> in San Diego, KQED and other NPR member stations to chronicle the extent of extremism in California.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">P\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>olice suspect that former Chula Vista resident Robert Wilson could be responsible for an incident that shocked the public on several continents in February, when an antisemitic message was \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/02/11/1156279273/anne-frank-house-amsterdam-holocaust-antisemitic-projection\">displayed on the Anne Frank House\u003c/a> in Amsterdam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wilson is a public figure of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11940804/tracing-the-bay-area-roots-of-a-neo-nazi-propaganda-group\">Goyim Defense League, an American neo-Nazi hate group that spreads antisemitic messages online\u003c/a>, with flyer distributions and through street demonstrations. GDL members participated in at least 450 antisemitic campaigns across 42 states last year, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and are connected to \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/goyim-defense-league\">11 arrests or criminal cases\u003c/a> nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 41-year-old Wilson, who is originally from Canada, was supposed to stand trial in San Diego County for allegedly \u003ca href=\"https://www.sdcda.org/content/office/newsroom/tempDownloads/255a9815-e2fe-4007-94b3-8a4cdc65d9e0_Hate%20Crime%20Charges%20Robert%20Wilson%2012-27-2021.pdf\">assaulting his next-door neighbor while yelling homophobic slurs in late 2021 (PDF)\u003c/a>. inewsource reported in February that Wilson \u003ca href=\"https://inewsource.org/2023/02/14/antisemitic-extremist-evaded-hate-crime-prosecution/\">escaped prosecution and fled to Poland last year\u003c/a>, where he has continued to spread white supremacist messages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In September, a \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/jnewsgabe/status/1565506822617718784\">social media image went viral\u003c/a> showing Wilson standing outside the Auschwitz Memorial in Poland while holding a sign with an antisemitic statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11942321\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1280px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11942321\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz.png\" alt='Two white men wearing sun glasses, a sleeveless t shirt and shorts hold signs while standing outside in the street with buildings to the left and trees to the right. The Signs read \"Shoah the ADL\" and \"Greenblatt suck 6 million dicks.\" A red circle is around the man on the left.' width=\"1280\" height=\"720\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz.png 1280w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz-800x450.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz-1020x574.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/minadeo-arrested-auschwitz-160x90.png 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">This photo showing Robert Wilson (left) and Jon Minadeo II, formerly of Petaluma, holding signs displaying antisemitic statements outside the Auschwitz Memorial in Poland went viral on social media in August 2022.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Antisemitic rhetoric and hate incidents are on the rise across the U.S. and in other countries. In the Netherlands, laser displays featuring white supremacist messages started appearing on buildings a few months ago. One of the first incidents occurred during a nationally televised New Year's Eve celebration, when the text “White Lives Matter” was \u003ca href=\"https://nltimes.nl/2023/01/01/racist-messages-projected-erasmus-bridge-rotterdam-new-years-fest\">projected on the Erasmus Bridge\u003c/a> in Rotterdam, along with antisemitic language.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Bay Area connections ","link1":"https://www.kqed.org/news/11940804,Read related coverage from KQED tracing the Bay Area roots of a neo-Nazi propaganda group","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/02/NeoNaziExtremistsmain-1020x570.jpg"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>On Feb. 6, blue lasers were used to display a message on the house in Amsterdam where 13-year-old Anne Frank chronicled her experience during the Holocaust. The antisemitic text, appearing on the building in Dutch and English, stated that Frank was the “\u003ca href=\"https://www.annefrank.org/en/about-us/news-and-press/news/2023/2/10/antisemitic-projection-anne-frank-house/\">inventor of the ballpoint pen\u003c/a>.” The message referenced a false conspiracy theory that \u003ca href=\"https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/authenticity-diary-anne-frank/\">alleges Frank’s diary was a forgery\u003c/a>, claiming it was written with a ballpoint pen, which was not common in Europe until after World War II.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Days later, a video of the incident appeared in a Telegram group that included members of the Goyim Defense League.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Anne Frank House organization, which runs a museum on the property, said at the time that they “learned of this with shock and revulsion.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“With the projection and the video the perpetrators are attacking the authenticity of Anne Frank's diary and inciting hatred,” the organization said in a statement. “It is an antisemitic and racist film. We are acutely aware of what this means for the Jewish community and for the city of Amsterdam as a whole.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11942322\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11942322\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340.png\" alt='A screenshot from video showing a laser projection on a building wall that says \"Ballp.\"' width=\"1920\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340.png 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-800x445.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-1020x567.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-160x89.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-1536x854.png 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-672x372.png 672w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-02-27-at-8.18.41-PM-e1677882420340-1038x576.png 1038w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A still from a video showing part of a laser projection of an antisemitic message on the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam on Feb. 6. The video garnered widespread condemnation and was referenced in high-profile news articles in several countries.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It didn’t take long for citizen sleuths to start digging for possible perpetrators. A research group known as Capitol Terrorists Exposers, which uses digital forensic techniques to track down right-wing extremists, unearthed what they believe to be an original video of the incident, which was posted by “Aryan Bacon” — the name Robert Wilson uses online. The video also includes footage from what appears to be a road trip to Amsterdam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The founder of Capitol Terrorists Exposers said she used videos posted to Wilson’s social media channels to trace the path she believes he took from Poland through Germany to Amsterdam shortly before the incident. One video features a person believed to be Wilson looking at magazines inside a German gas station the day before the Anne Frank House message was displayed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you have a person who is known who has a lot of footage, then it’s very easy,” said Mary, with Capitol Terrorists Exposers. “You’re gonna look at, what does he look like? What kind of clothes does he wear? You know, you try to profile somebody.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>inewsource has agreed to use only Mary’s first name to protect her safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mary and her group also used the road trip footage to identify the type of van the suspect was driving as a black Mercedes-Benz Sprinter, most likely with a Polish license plate. The footage shows the van parked outside the Hard Rock Hotel in Amsterdam and reveals the reflection of the videographer in a car window.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The person filming was wearing a plaid sweater that resembled what Wilson had worn in another video.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And then I was like, OK, now it’s getting interesting,” Mary said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11942319\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1080px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11942319\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1.jpg\" alt=\"A collage showing different photos of a white man, from headshots to full body pictures with arrows and green squares pointing to different pictures.\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1.jpg 1080w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1-800x800.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1-1020x1020.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/17-1676711010153-1-160x160.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A collage shows how citizen sleuths compared a video from the antisemitic broadcast in Amsterdam with online footage of Robert Wilson, including a recording captured by CBS8 outside a San Diego County courthouse. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Capitol Terrorists Exposers)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When Mary sent her research and findings to the Amsterdam police linking Wilson to the events at the Anne Frank House, she received a message in response: “An amazing piece of work! Compliments,” a police officer wrote to her in Dutch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are also very busy with this investigation and had ended up with the same suspect, van and route. Without revealing too much about the research, I can tell you that it is progressing very well. Every bit of information we get helps us, of course.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last week, police told the \u003cem>Volkskrant\u003c/em> newspaper in the Netherlands that they had reviewed the report by Capitol Terrorists Exposers and are happy with “citizens conducting their own investigations.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In this case, that did not lead to new information,” the spokesperson told the newspaper, adding that the police “indeed have the impression” the suspect is not residing in The Netherlands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If he shows up within our borders, we will arrest him,” the officer said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Amsterdam police would not confirm the identity of the suspect in the case for inewsource.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11942317\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1080px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11942317\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037.jpg\" alt=\"A collage of four photos showing with green squares and red circles highlighting different parts of a vehicle.\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037.jpg 1080w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037-800x800.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037-1020x1020.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/5-1676704858037-160x160.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A collage created by citizen sleuths shows how they identified the vehicle they believe was driven by a suspect. The material was shared with the Amsterdam police. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Capitol Terrorists Exposers)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Wilson did not respond to requests for comment. He has previously denied assaulting his neighbor in Chula Vista.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A warrant is still out for Wilson’s arrest in San Diego County. The district attorney’s office declined to comment on whether they are attempting to extradite him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mary said she was very encouraged by the response she received from the Amsterdam police and was glad her research on Wilson was in the right hands. She also credited inewsource’s prior coverage on Wilson as a key part of her investigation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Capitol Terrorists Exposers has helped perform research in high-profile cases in the U.S., Mary said, \u003ca href=\"https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sedition-hunters-fbi-capitol-attack-manhunt-online-sleuths_n_60479dd7c5b653040034f749\">including tracing the identities of people who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Mary learned about the incident at the Anne Frank House, the latest of several antisemitic incidents occurring in her home country, she felt compelled to get involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It isn’t a joke. This is serious what they’re doing,” she said. “I cannot sit still. I cannot let it go if I’m able to do something about it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11942315/san-diego-neo-nazi-suspected-in-antisemitic-incident-at-anne-frank-house","authors":["byline_news_11942315"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8"],"tags":["news_30822","news_32415","news_32466","news_18538","news_29026","news_30202","news_32417","news_20484","news_21505"],"featImg":"news_11942458","label":"source_news_11942315"},"news_11908377":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11908377","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11908377","score":null,"sort":[1647964848000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"roger-guenveur-smith-discusses-extraordinary-lessons-from-anne-franks-father","title":"Roger Guenveur Smith Discusses 'Extraordinary' Lessons From Anne Frank's Father","publishDate":1647964848,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Berkeley-born actor Roger Guenveur Smith is channeling the ghost of Anne Frank’s father, Otto, during a fraught time in Europe, as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine continues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In this particular international moment, what he brings to the table is extraordinary and extraordinarily vital,” he said. “It is necessary — this conversation that he has with his daughter beyond her time and beyond his time as well.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Smith, perhaps best known for his collaborations with Spike Lee (“Do The Right Thing,” “Malcolm X”), returns home for a limited run (through March 27) of his solo performance piece “Otto Frank,” which runs through March 27 at the Magic Theatre’s Fort Mason site in San Francisco. He draws on the style of his other one-man shows — which center Black historical figures such as Huey Newton and Rodney King.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Smith spoke with KQED morning host Brian Watt about his decision to embody Otto Frank, and how he represents contemporary issues focused on race and religion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian Watt: I read that you got the idea for this performance after visiting Anne Frank's home in Amsterdam.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roger Guenveur Smith: I had the opportunity to go there because I was invited to do my “\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/zjauUcjAXh0\">Rodney King\u003c/a>” solo in Amsterdam. It was a place that I knew that I had to go to. I stood in line with everybody else and I was extraordinarily inspired. The image that kept coming back to me was of a man who would come back to what was his home — his improvised home after the war — knowing that he had lost his wife in the death camp, but hoping that he would be reunited with his daughters. Of course, he was not, but he was reunited with the diary that he had given to Anne for her 13th birthday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You have been involved in representing other historic figures, whether it's collaborating with Spike Lee alongside Denzel Washington for “Malcolm X,” Huey Newton, Rodney King. So why focus on Otto Frank now?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'm the father of two daughters, and certainly this story moved me before I went to Amsterdam. Otto Frank is a man about whom we should know much more. I think he's kind of an enigma, even though he lived a long and productive life as a steward of his daughter's work. So the first dilemma [he faced] is, “Do I share this? Do I destroy this? Do I get it out there internationally as my daughter would probably like me to do?” He went with his daughter's wishes: She desired a certain notoriety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I watched you perform “A Huey P. Newton Story” in a theater in Los Angeles. Huey Newton is a different character than Otto Frank, but I see similarities in how you built your presentations of both men. How do you get historical figures to talk about contemporary issues?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As with all of our pieces that are historically driven, we don't want the audience to simply come to the theater and then leave the theater and say, “Wasn't it horrible? What happened way back then?” We want our work to resonate in the present moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For example, I was doing \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA79VdfySkI\">[“A Huey P. Newton Story”]\u003c/a> in New York when Biggie Smalls was murdered in Los Angeles. Everyone who came to the theater that weekend, that's all they were thinking of. They weren't thinking about Huey Newton. So I imagined that Huey had watched an interview of this young Biggie, Christopher Wallace, on the streets of Brooklyn.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's where we take people imaginatively in the theater — just as Otto Frank talks about things that happened after he was deceased, [like] the shooting at the National Holocaust Museum. That was June 10, 2009. An 88-year-old white supremacist walked into the museum with a rifle, and a young Black security guard stepped in front of him. He was shot and killed in the process of saving untold people. I should like to think that Otto Frank was privy to that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Otto lived through the worst atrocities of World War II. How is his ghost seeing present-day Europe as Russia invades Ukraine? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He is [also] privy to what’s going on right now in Ukraine … and let’s not forget about Somalia – just as he’s privy to what happened in Charleston, Pittsburgh and Christchurch.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The Berkeley-born actor on viewing present-day violence through the eyes of Otto Frank, whom he embodies in a new play. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1647902493,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":777},"headData":{"title":"Roger Guenveur Smith Discusses 'Extraordinary' Lessons From Anne Frank's Father | KQED","description":"The Berkeley-born actor on viewing present-day violence through the eyes of Otto Frank, whom he embodies in a new play. 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He draws on the style of his other one-man shows — which center Black historical figures such as Huey Newton and Rodney King.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Smith spoke with KQED morning host Brian Watt about his decision to embody Otto Frank, and how he represents contemporary issues focused on race and religion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian Watt: I read that you got the idea for this performance after visiting Anne Frank's home in Amsterdam.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roger Guenveur Smith: I had the opportunity to go there because I was invited to do my “\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/zjauUcjAXh0\">Rodney King\u003c/a>” solo in Amsterdam. It was a place that I knew that I had to go to. I stood in line with everybody else and I was extraordinarily inspired. The image that kept coming back to me was of a man who would come back to what was his home — his improvised home after the war — knowing that he had lost his wife in the death camp, but hoping that he would be reunited with his daughters. Of course, he was not, but he was reunited with the diary that he had given to Anne for her 13th birthday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You have been involved in representing other historic figures, whether it's collaborating with Spike Lee alongside Denzel Washington for “Malcolm X,” Huey Newton, Rodney King. So why focus on Otto Frank now?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'm the father of two daughters, and certainly this story moved me before I went to Amsterdam. Otto Frank is a man about whom we should know much more. I think he's kind of an enigma, even though he lived a long and productive life as a steward of his daughter's work. So the first dilemma [he faced] is, “Do I share this? Do I destroy this? Do I get it out there internationally as my daughter would probably like me to do?” He went with his daughter's wishes: She desired a certain notoriety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I watched you perform “A Huey P. Newton Story” in a theater in Los Angeles. Huey Newton is a different character than Otto Frank, but I see similarities in how you built your presentations of both men. How do you get historical figures to talk about contemporary issues?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As with all of our pieces that are historically driven, we don't want the audience to simply come to the theater and then leave the theater and say, “Wasn't it horrible? What happened way back then?” We want our work to resonate in the present moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For example, I was doing \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA79VdfySkI\">[“A Huey P. Newton Story”]\u003c/a> in New York when Biggie Smalls was murdered in Los Angeles. Everyone who came to the theater that weekend, that's all they were thinking of. They weren't thinking about Huey Newton. So I imagined that Huey had watched an interview of this young Biggie, Christopher Wallace, on the streets of Brooklyn.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's where we take people imaginatively in the theater — just as Otto Frank talks about things that happened after he was deceased, [like] the shooting at the National Holocaust Museum. That was June 10, 2009. An 88-year-old white supremacist walked into the museum with a rifle, and a young Black security guard stepped in front of him. He was shot and killed in the process of saving untold people. I should like to think that Otto Frank was privy to that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Otto lived through the worst atrocities of World War II. How is his ghost seeing present-day Europe as Russia invades Ukraine? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He is [also] privy to what’s going on right now in Ukraine … and let’s not forget about Somalia – just as he’s privy to what happened in Charleston, Pittsburgh and Christchurch.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11908377/roger-guenveur-smith-discusses-extraordinary-lessons-from-anne-franks-father","authors":["11724","11238"],"categories":["news_29992"],"tags":["news_30822","news_19133","news_20484","news_30124","news_30825","news_30823","news_30821","news_30824","news_26723"],"featImg":"news_11908805","label":"news"},"news_11684112":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11684112","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11684112","score":null,"sort":[1533339043000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"at-97-he-still-grapples-with-the-pain-of-being-separated-from-his-mother","title":"At 97, He Still Grapples With the Pain of Being Separated From His Mother","publishDate":1533339043,"format":"image","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Many Californians have reacted to stories about the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/family-separation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">separation of families at the border\u003c/a> with outrage and sadness; with protests, donations and a lawsuit against the federal government. But for some, the story feels especially personal, and familiar. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The California Report Magazine\u003c/a> has been bringing you stories about the lasting effects on kids when they’re separated from their parents. Other stories in this series include a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11678136/its-not-a-new-story-family-separations-open-old-wounds\">Native American woman \u003c/a> forced to attend boarding school, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11681398/healing-from-a-family-separation-four-decades-later\">a woman left in the Philippines \u003c/a> as a toddler and a young poet \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11682620/after-growing-up-with-a-dad-in-prison-teen-feels-a-kinship-with-separated-migrant-kids\">grieving the years he spent away from his incarcerated dad\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]B[/dropcap]en Stern may be 97, but his mind is sharp and quick. He clearly remembers the day he last saw his mother.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It happened so suddenly, so sudden,\" he recalls. \"Separated, ripped away. Without saying goodbye, without a hug, a kiss.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They were in Poland, in a crowd of Jews being rounded up from a ghetto during the Holocaust. Without any warning, soldiers used a stick to push his mother, Yentl, toward one line, Ben toward another.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“She got lost in the crowd,” he remembers. “And I was pushed to a different crowd, just like pulling feathers from a chicken. That's what it looked like. That's how it felt. Ripped apart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was overwhelmed. Then when I got to the other side, the Nazis were screaming and ordering everyone around. You lost your personal reaction. You became a tool in somebody else’s hand,” says Stern.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'[Today's migrant kids] will carry that spot, remember the day they were separated from their mother, no matter how soon they get together. That’s an unforgettable act that has been planted in their brains and in their heart.'\u003ccite>Ben Stern\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>He was separated from his mother and his younger brother on Aug. 15, 1942. The date still comes easily to his lips, more than 75 years later. For him, the separation from his family was one of the cruelest aspects of the Holocaust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern went on to survive nine concentration camps and two death marches. His parents, grandmother, eight brothers and one sister were all killed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I didn't make peace in me for the loss of my loved ones. I still dream. I still dream. Every night, somebody else appears,” sighs Stern.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11684145\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11684145\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">97-year-old Holocaust survivor Ben Stern at his home in Berkeley. Partially deaf, he wears a necklace that helps him amplify sound. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Stern is one of the few remaining Holocaust survivors of his generation, and he has continued to speak out against hatred and intolerance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last year, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11614263/holocaust-survivor-leads-march-in-berkeley\">he led a protest march\u003c/a> against a far-right rally in Berkeley. I first wrote about him two years ago, when he invited the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11299892/unlikely-roomates-holocaust-survivor-and-granddaughter-of-nazis-share-a-home-in-berkeley\">granddaughter of Nazis to be his roommate\u003c/a> in his Berkeley home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I visited him again recently, he took out a thin album of family photos, salvaged by his only surviving brother, who escaped to Israel before the rest of the family was killed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My mother meant to me just like my life meant to me,” says Stern. “She was so dear, she was huge in my mind.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11684151\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11684151 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Stern looks at some of the few surviving photos of his parents. His older brother, who managed to escape to Israel before the Holocaust, had saved them. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He never gave up hope that he would find her, even when he knew in his heart that she hadn’t survived the death camps.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he visited Treblinka -- a camp in Poland -- in 1988, he posted a note in the guestbook that said: “I’m looking for my mother.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern says he knows some people might think it’s a big leap to talk about his story and the stories of today's separated migrant kids in one breath.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern's parents were starved and murdered in the Holocaust. The kids separated at the border are alive, and so are their parents. But their stories do resonate with him. The images of children held in detention or crying for their parents have upset him deeply.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I cannot put myself in the children’s place, but I feel their pain. Personally I feel their pain, what they’re going through being separated,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That pain, Ben warns, won’t necessarily go away, even as many of the migrant kids are being reunited with their parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They will carry that spot, remember the day they were separated from their mother, no matter how soon they get together. That’s an unforgettable act that has been planted in their brains and in their heart.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11684143\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11684143 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-160x213.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-1180x1573.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-960x1280.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-240x320.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-375x500.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-520x693.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Stern's mother, Yentl, before World War II began. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Ben Stern)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He has some advice for those kids, as they grow up and try to process that experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Don’t forget,” he says. \"Don’t forget what happened. But life goes on. Turn a new page. Be hopeful. Things will get better.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ben Stern never got to have a tearful reunion with his mother. But he says his mother’s love has sustained him his whole life, even though he hasn’t seen her since the day they were separated in August 1942.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Listen to this and more in-depth storytelling by subscribing to The California Report Magazine podcast.\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Ben Stern survived nine concentration camps during the Holocaust, and says the pain of migrant children separated from their parents resonates with him.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1533342379,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":920},"headData":{"title":"At 97, He Still Grapples With the Pain of Being Separated From His Mother | KQED","description":"Ben Stern survived nine concentration camps during the Holocaust, and says the pain of migrant children separated from their parents resonates with him.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"At 97, He Still Grapples With the Pain of Being Separated From His Mother","datePublished":"2018-08-03T23:30:43.000Z","dateModified":"2018-08-04T00:26:19.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11684112 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11684112","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2018/08/03/at-97-he-still-grapples-with-the-pain-of-being-separated-from-his-mother/","disqusTitle":"At 97, He Still Grapples With the Pain of Being Separated From His Mother","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2018/08/KhokhaBenStern.mp3","audioTrackLength":266,"path":"/news/11684112/at-97-he-still-grapples-with-the-pain-of-being-separated-from-his-mother","audioDuration":283000,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Many Californians have reacted to stories about the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/family-separation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">separation of families at the border\u003c/a> with outrage and sadness; with protests, donations and a lawsuit against the federal government. But for some, the story feels especially personal, and familiar. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The California Report Magazine\u003c/a> has been bringing you stories about the lasting effects on kids when they’re separated from their parents. Other stories in this series include a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11678136/its-not-a-new-story-family-separations-open-old-wounds\">Native American woman \u003c/a> forced to attend boarding school, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11681398/healing-from-a-family-separation-four-decades-later\">a woman left in the Philippines \u003c/a> as a toddler and a young poet \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11682620/after-growing-up-with-a-dad-in-prison-teen-feels-a-kinship-with-separated-migrant-kids\">grieving the years he spent away from his incarcerated dad\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">B\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>en Stern may be 97, but his mind is sharp and quick. He clearly remembers the day he last saw his mother.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It happened so suddenly, so sudden,\" he recalls. \"Separated, ripped away. Without saying goodbye, without a hug, a kiss.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They were in Poland, in a crowd of Jews being rounded up from a ghetto during the Holocaust. Without any warning, soldiers used a stick to push his mother, Yentl, toward one line, Ben toward another.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“She got lost in the crowd,” he remembers. “And I was pushed to a different crowd, just like pulling feathers from a chicken. That's what it looked like. That's how it felt. Ripped apart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was overwhelmed. Then when I got to the other side, the Nazis were screaming and ordering everyone around. You lost your personal reaction. You became a tool in somebody else’s hand,” says Stern.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'[Today's migrant kids] will carry that spot, remember the day they were separated from their mother, no matter how soon they get together. That’s an unforgettable act that has been planted in their brains and in their heart.'\u003ccite>Ben Stern\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>He was separated from his mother and his younger brother on Aug. 15, 1942. The date still comes easily to his lips, more than 75 years later. For him, the separation from his family was one of the cruelest aspects of the Holocaust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern went on to survive nine concentration camps and two death marches. His parents, grandmother, eight brothers and one sister were all killed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I didn't make peace in me for the loss of my loved ones. I still dream. I still dream. Every night, somebody else appears,” sighs Stern.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11684145\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11684145\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32109_ben-looks-at-camera-2-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">97-year-old Holocaust survivor Ben Stern at his home in Berkeley. Partially deaf, he wears a necklace that helps him amplify sound. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Stern is one of the few remaining Holocaust survivors of his generation, and he has continued to speak out against hatred and intolerance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last year, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11614263/holocaust-survivor-leads-march-in-berkeley\">he led a protest march\u003c/a> against a far-right rally in Berkeley. I first wrote about him two years ago, when he invited the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11299892/unlikely-roomates-holocaust-survivor-and-granddaughter-of-nazis-share-a-home-in-berkeley\">granddaughter of Nazis to be his roommate\u003c/a> in his Berkeley home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I visited him again recently, he took out a thin album of family photos, salvaged by his only surviving brother, who escaped to Israel before the rest of the family was killed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My mother meant to me just like my life meant to me,” says Stern. “She was so dear, she was huge in my mind.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11684151\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11684151 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32111_photo-of-parents-qut-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Stern looks at some of the few surviving photos of his parents. His older brother, who managed to escape to Israel before the Holocaust, had saved them. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He never gave up hope that he would find her, even when he knew in his heart that she hadn’t survived the death camps.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he visited Treblinka -- a camp in Poland -- in 1988, he posted a note in the guestbook that said: “I’m looking for my mother.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern says he knows some people might think it’s a big leap to talk about his story and the stories of today's separated migrant kids in one breath.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern's parents were starved and murdered in the Holocaust. The kids separated at the border are alive, and so are their parents. But their stories do resonate with him. The images of children held in detention or crying for their parents have upset him deeply.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I cannot put myself in the children’s place, but I feel their pain. Personally I feel their pain, what they’re going through being separated,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That pain, Ben warns, won’t necessarily go away, even as many of the migrant kids are being reunited with their parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They will carry that spot, remember the day they were separated from their mother, no matter how soon they get together. That’s an unforgettable act that has been planted in their brains and in their heart.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11684143\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11684143 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-160x213.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-1180x1573.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-960x1280.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-240x320.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-375x500.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969-520x693.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/07/RS32110_IMG_3976-qut-e1533244146969.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Stern's mother, Yentl, before World War II began. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Ben Stern)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He has some advice for those kids, as they grow up and try to process that experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Don’t forget,” he says. \"Don’t forget what happened. But life goes on. Turn a new page. Be hopeful. Things will get better.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ben Stern never got to have a tearful reunion with his mother. But he says his mother’s love has sustained him his whole life, even though he hasn’t seen her since the day they were separated in August 1942.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Listen to this and more in-depth storytelling by subscribing to The California Report Magazine podcast.\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11684112/at-97-he-still-grapples-with-the-pain-of-being-separated-from-his-mother","authors":["254"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_1169","news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_23456","news_160","news_20484","news_23838","news_1371","news_17041","news_244"],"featImg":"news_11684144","label":"news_72"},"news_11652568":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11652568","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11652568","score":null,"sort":[1519773015000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"anti-semitic-incidents-see-largest-single-year-increase-on-record-audit-finds","title":"Anti-Semitic Incidents See Largest Single-Year Increase on Record, Audit Finds","publishDate":1519773015,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>The Anti-Defamation League has identified 1,986 anti-Semitic incidents in its \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/2017-audit-of-anti-semitic-incidents#major-findings\">2017 Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents\u003c/a>. That's up from 1,267 in 2016, marking the highest single-year increase since the organization released its first audit in 1979.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The annual audit tracks incidents of vandalism, harassment or assault reported to the ADL by law enforcement, media and victims. All reported incidents are assessed by ADL staff members for credibility by seeking independent verification.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A confluence of events in 2017 led to a surge in attacks on our community — from bomb threats, cemetery desecrations, white supremacists marching in Charlottesville, and children harassing children at school,\" said CEO and National Director Jonathan A. Greenblatt in \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/anti-semitic-incidents-surged-nearly-60-in-2017-according-to-new-adl-report\">a statement\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These incidents came at a time when we saw a rising climate of incivility, the emboldening of hate groups and widening divisions in society.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"aYyeArl7ESyPuFx6gfzxjHQyHYSrTR6T\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In previous audits, the largest number of incidents occurred in public areas, such as parks and streets. In 2017, K-12 schools surpassed public areas as the locations with the highest number of anti-Semitic incidents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There were 457 incidents in K-12 schools: a dramatic increase of 94 percent from the previous year. On college campuses, there were 204 incidents: an 89 percent increase.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the first time since 2010, an incident occurred in every U.S. state. New York, California and New Jersey were states with the highest numbers of incidents, which the ADL attributes to their large Jewish populations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vandalism saw the highest increase in terms of types of incidents. There were 952 incidents reported — an 86 percent increase from 2016. The surge in anti-Semitic acts of vandalism is particularly upsetting, says the ADL, \"because it indicates that the perpetrators feel emboldened enough to break the law.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Physical assaults were down by 47 percent, from 36 instances in 2016 to 19 in 2017.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There were 1,015 incidents of harassment in 2017; 163 of these were part of a spree of\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/27/517539505/bomb-threats-made-against-jewish-community-centers-in-11-states\"> bomb threats made against Jewish institutions\u003c/a>. Those organizations were subject to 342 total anti-Semitic incidents in 2017 — an increase of 101 percent over the 170 incidents recorded in 2016.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ADL doesn't include instances of discrimination, such as a Jewish worker not receiving an accommodation for Rosh Hashanah, or general expressions of hateful ideologies in their audit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"ap56ArQjT7fvYPv85Dy0hAe9AEo1E2Lr\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An \"incident\" in this audit doesn't necessarily mean a single act of anti-Semitism. For instance, 170 Jewish tombstones were overturned in a Missouri cemetery in February 2017, and the act was counted as one incident by the ADL.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This family is all family. These stones are all our stones. No matter who's here, they're my family. They're Jews who have been desecrated,\" Jody Serkes, who had family members buried in the cemetery, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/516488403/headstones-vandalized-at-jewish-cemetery-in-missouri\">told NPR last year\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You know, people have permission now,\" Serkes continued, speaking on the climate of ignorance and fear she believed President Trump had allowed. \"They think in their minds their ignorance and fear is permission to be angry about anything.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An ADL \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/anti-semitic-incidents-surged-nearly-60-in-2017-according-to-new-adl-report\">press release\u003c/a> noted that one \"bright spot\" in this was the response of Muslims and Christians who raised thousands of dollars to help repair the damaged tombstones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If we expect law enforcement officials and community members to take these incidents seriously, we must take them seriously — and report them, both to ADL and to the police,\" the press release said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2018 NPR. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Anti-Semitic+Incidents+See+Largest+Single-Year+Increase+On+Record%2C+Audit+Finds&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The Anti-Defamation League annual audit of anti-Semitic incidents found 1,986 such occurrences, including 457 at K-12 schools and 204 on college campuses.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1519773573,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":20,"wordCount":591},"headData":{"title":"Anti-Semitic Incidents See Largest Single-Year Increase on Record, Audit Finds | KQED","description":"The Anti-Defamation League annual audit of anti-Semitic incidents found 1,986 such occurrences, including 457 at K-12 schools and 204 on college campuses.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Anti-Semitic Incidents See Largest Single-Year Increase on Record, Audit Finds","datePublished":"2018-02-27T23:10:15.000Z","dateModified":"2018-02-27T23:19:33.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11652568 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11652568","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2018/02/27/anti-semitic-incidents-see-largest-single-year-increase-on-record-audit-finds/","disqusTitle":"Anti-Semitic Incidents See Largest Single-Year Increase on Record, Audit Finds","source":"NPR","sourceUrl":"https://www.npr.org/","nprImageCredit":"Elijah Nouvelage","nprByline":"Emily Sullivan","nprImageAgency":"Getty Images","nprStoryId":"589119452","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=589119452&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/27/589119452/anti-semitic-incidents-see-largest-single-year-increase-on-record-audit-finds?ft=nprml&f=589119452","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:36:00 -0500","nprStoryDate":"Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:11:00 -0500","nprLastModifiedDate":"Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:37:31 -0500","path":"/news/11652568/anti-semitic-incidents-see-largest-single-year-increase-on-record-audit-finds","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The Anti-Defamation League has identified 1,986 anti-Semitic incidents in its \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/2017-audit-of-anti-semitic-incidents#major-findings\">2017 Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents\u003c/a>. That's up from 1,267 in 2016, marking the highest single-year increase since the organization released its first audit in 1979.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The annual audit tracks incidents of vandalism, harassment or assault reported to the ADL by law enforcement, media and victims. All reported incidents are assessed by ADL staff members for credibility by seeking independent verification.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A confluence of events in 2017 led to a surge in attacks on our community — from bomb threats, cemetery desecrations, white supremacists marching in Charlottesville, and children harassing children at school,\" said CEO and National Director Jonathan A. Greenblatt in \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/anti-semitic-incidents-surged-nearly-60-in-2017-according-to-new-adl-report\">a statement\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These incidents came at a time when we saw a rising climate of incivility, the emboldening of hate groups and widening divisions in society.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In previous audits, the largest number of incidents occurred in public areas, such as parks and streets. In 2017, K-12 schools surpassed public areas as the locations with the highest number of anti-Semitic incidents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There were 457 incidents in K-12 schools: a dramatic increase of 94 percent from the previous year. On college campuses, there were 204 incidents: an 89 percent increase.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the first time since 2010, an incident occurred in every U.S. state. New York, California and New Jersey were states with the highest numbers of incidents, which the ADL attributes to their large Jewish populations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vandalism saw the highest increase in terms of types of incidents. There were 952 incidents reported — an 86 percent increase from 2016. The surge in anti-Semitic acts of vandalism is particularly upsetting, says the ADL, \"because it indicates that the perpetrators feel emboldened enough to break the law.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Physical assaults were down by 47 percent, from 36 instances in 2016 to 19 in 2017.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There were 1,015 incidents of harassment in 2017; 163 of these were part of a spree of\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/27/517539505/bomb-threats-made-against-jewish-community-centers-in-11-states\"> bomb threats made against Jewish institutions\u003c/a>. Those organizations were subject to 342 total anti-Semitic incidents in 2017 — an increase of 101 percent over the 170 incidents recorded in 2016.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ADL doesn't include instances of discrimination, such as a Jewish worker not receiving an accommodation for Rosh Hashanah, or general expressions of hateful ideologies in their audit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An \"incident\" in this audit doesn't necessarily mean a single act of anti-Semitism. For instance, 170 Jewish tombstones were overturned in a Missouri cemetery in February 2017, and the act was counted as one incident by the ADL.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This family is all family. These stones are all our stones. No matter who's here, they're my family. They're Jews who have been desecrated,\" Jody Serkes, who had family members buried in the cemetery, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/516488403/headstones-vandalized-at-jewish-cemetery-in-missouri\">told NPR last year\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You know, people have permission now,\" Serkes continued, speaking on the climate of ignorance and fear she believed President Trump had allowed. \"They think in their minds their ignorance and fear is permission to be angry about anything.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An ADL \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/anti-semitic-incidents-surged-nearly-60-in-2017-according-to-new-adl-report\">press release\u003c/a> noted that one \"bright spot\" in this was the response of Muslims and Christians who raised thousands of dollars to help repair the damaged tombstones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If we expect law enforcement officials and community members to take these incidents seriously, we must take them seriously — and report them, both to ADL and to the police,\" the press release said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2018 NPR. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Anti-Semitic+Incidents+See+Largest+Single-Year+Increase+On+Record%2C+Audit+Finds&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11652568/anti-semitic-incidents-see-largest-single-year-increase-on-record-audit-finds","authors":["byline_news_11652568"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8"],"tags":["news_4273","news_21319","news_20484","news_17286"],"affiliates":["news_253"],"featImg":"news_11652569","label":"source_news_11652568"},"news_11644545":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11644545","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11644545","score":null,"sort":[1517076048000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-holocaust-survivor-who-made-resolving-conflict-her-lifes-work","title":"The Holocaust Survivor Who Made Resolving Conflict Her Life's Work","publishDate":1517076048,"format":"audio","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>On this International Holocaust Remembrance Day, let's take a moment to appreciate one local Holocaust survivor in Mountain View who’s made it her life’s mission to help people resolve conflicts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Elisabeth Seaman, née Rosenthal, was born in 1938 in Rotterdam to German refugees fleeing the Nazis. After the Germans invaded Holland, they sent Seaman’s family to a concentration camp, Bergen-Belsen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her father died just months before World War II ended. She was six years old. After the war, together with her mother, Seaman embarked on a peripatetic childhood, moving to London, then El Salvador, and finally the San Francisco Bay Area, where she studied at UC Berkeley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Seaman says her mother’s attitude about the Holocaust and its aftermath helped frame the experience for her. \"My mother figured that she had to go on with life, and if she went around being angry and holding grudges, that wasn’t going to be very helpful.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Seaman adds, \"Not that she condoned anything of what was going on. She certainly condemned the actions. But I also learned that people are basically good. When you think of a baby -- when they’re born, they’re wonderful, they’re new, they’ve got tremendous potential. Then things change them during their lives, and they may turn out to do cruel and terrible things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11644654\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11644654\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-800x594.jpg\" alt=\"Passport photos of Maria Rosenthal and her daughter Elisabeth, circa 1946.\" width=\"800\" height=\"594\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-800x594.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-160x119.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-1020x758.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-1180x876.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-960x713.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-240x178.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-375x279.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-520x386.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Passport photos of Maria Rosenthal and her daughter Elisabeth, circa 1946. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Elisabeth Seaman)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That early experience would eventually lead Seaman to a three-decade career in professional mediation, and a personal commitment to helping resolve conflict before they develop into catastrophes. “I’ve always been interested in any thing that can help make peace between people. I took to [mediation] like a duck takes to water.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Among other things, she's co-authored a book called, \u003ca href=\"https://www.conflictresolution-thebook.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003ci>Conflict: The Unexpected Gift\u003c/i>\u003c/a>. She says, \"It’s our firm conviction that a set of practices designed and intended to help people become more skillful at resolving conflicts is one way we can nudge the world, one strengthened relationship at a time, towards solving the growing number of problems that result from breakdowns in interpersonal relationships.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Seaman says conflict resolution involves a few basic principles that can be surprisingly tough to put into practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For starters, we all need to listen better\u003ci>. \"\u003c/i>When people think they’re listening to somebody, they’re not, really. Usually, they’re just thinking about ‘What’s the next thing I’m going to talk about?’ or ‘How I’m going to respond,’ and don’t really take in what the other person is saying.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two people observing the same set of \"facts\" perceive them differently, through the filter of their particular life experiences and unconscious biases. You can offset or reduce conflict by checking in with the other person, summarizing what you think you understand about their perspective, and then asking if you got it right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11644656\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11644656\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2.jpg\" alt=\"Four generations of Elisabeth Seaman's family, three of which survived the Holocaust, pose for a photo in 1959. \" width=\"640\" height=\"413\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2.jpg 640w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2-160x103.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2-240x155.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2-375x242.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2-520x336.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Four generations of Elisabeth Seaman's family, three of which survived the Holocaust, pose for a photo in 1959. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Elisabeth Seaman)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The other big challenge: taking responsibility when our actions harm others, starting with a genuine apology. Not \"‘Oh, I’m so sorry you feel badly about this.’ But rather, ‘I’m really sorry that whatever I did hurt you.’\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These exercises in humility construct a bridge, provide an invitation for the other person to do the same; ultimately, to find common ground. I ask if she's encountered incorrigible narcissists, but Seaman says she steers clear of labeling people, or \"limiting what the possibilities are for them.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>International negotiators use these same skills, Seaman notes, to solve far more complicated problems than the ones that afflict our families and neighborhoods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The aim is to help people resolve things, two at a time. And then hopefully, each of those people can go on to help others,\" Seaman says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's tempting to argue that, in this era of political polarization, many of us don’t want to find common ground with obnoxious family members, neighbors, Facebook friends, or politicians. But try saying that to someone who's survived as much as Elisabeth Seaman has.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"How and why Elisabeth Seaman is helping improve the way people relate to each other one conflict at a time. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1548215998,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":733},"headData":{"title":"The Holocaust Survivor Who Made Resolving Conflict Her Life's Work | KQED","description":"How and why Elisabeth Seaman is helping improve the way people relate to each other one conflict at a time. 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After the Germans invaded Holland, they sent Seaman’s family to a concentration camp, Bergen-Belsen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her father died just months before World War II ended. She was six years old. After the war, together with her mother, Seaman embarked on a peripatetic childhood, moving to London, then El Salvador, and finally the San Francisco Bay Area, where she studied at UC Berkeley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Seaman says her mother’s attitude about the Holocaust and its aftermath helped frame the experience for her. \"My mother figured that she had to go on with life, and if she went around being angry and holding grudges, that wasn’t going to be very helpful.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Seaman adds, \"Not that she condoned anything of what was going on. She certainly condemned the actions. But I also learned that people are basically good. When you think of a baby -- when they’re born, they’re wonderful, they’re new, they’ve got tremendous potential. Then things change them during their lives, and they may turn out to do cruel and terrible things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11644654\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11644654\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-800x594.jpg\" alt=\"Passport photos of Maria Rosenthal and her daughter Elisabeth, circa 1946.\" width=\"800\" height=\"594\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-800x594.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-160x119.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-1020x758.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-1180x876.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-960x713.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-240x178.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-375x279.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29036_MGRER-passport-photos-2-qut-520x386.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Passport photos of Maria Rosenthal and her daughter Elisabeth, circa 1946. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Elisabeth Seaman)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That early experience would eventually lead Seaman to a three-decade career in professional mediation, and a personal commitment to helping resolve conflict before they develop into catastrophes. “I’ve always been interested in any thing that can help make peace between people. I took to [mediation] like a duck takes to water.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Among other things, she's co-authored a book called, \u003ca href=\"https://www.conflictresolution-thebook.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003ci>Conflict: The Unexpected Gift\u003c/i>\u003c/a>. She says, \"It’s our firm conviction that a set of practices designed and intended to help people become more skillful at resolving conflicts is one way we can nudge the world, one strengthened relationship at a time, towards solving the growing number of problems that result from breakdowns in interpersonal relationships.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Seaman says conflict resolution involves a few basic principles that can be surprisingly tough to put into practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For starters, we all need to listen better\u003ci>. \"\u003c/i>When people think they’re listening to somebody, they’re not, really. Usually, they’re just thinking about ‘What’s the next thing I’m going to talk about?’ or ‘How I’m going to respond,’ and don’t really take in what the other person is saying.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two people observing the same set of \"facts\" perceive them differently, through the filter of their particular life experiences and unconscious biases. You can offset or reduce conflict by checking in with the other person, summarizing what you think you understand about their perspective, and then asking if you got it right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11644656\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11644656\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2.jpg\" alt=\"Four generations of Elisabeth Seaman's family, three of which survived the Holocaust, pose for a photo in 1959. \" width=\"640\" height=\"413\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2.jpg 640w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2-160x103.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2-240x155.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2-375x242.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29035_IMG_0836-2-520x336.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Four generations of Elisabeth Seaman's family, three of which survived the Holocaust, pose for a photo in 1959. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Elisabeth Seaman)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The other big challenge: taking responsibility when our actions harm others, starting with a genuine apology. Not \"‘Oh, I’m so sorry you feel badly about this.’ But rather, ‘I’m really sorry that whatever I did hurt you.’\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These exercises in humility construct a bridge, provide an invitation for the other person to do the same; ultimately, to find common ground. I ask if she's encountered incorrigible narcissists, but Seaman says she steers clear of labeling people, or \"limiting what the possibilities are for them.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>International negotiators use these same skills, Seaman notes, to solve far more complicated problems than the ones that afflict our families and neighborhoods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The aim is to help people resolve things, two at a time. And then hopefully, each of those people can go on to help others,\" Seaman says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's tempting to argue that, in this era of political polarization, many of us don’t want to find common ground with obnoxious family members, neighbors, Facebook friends, or politicians. But try saying that to someone who's survived as much as Elisabeth Seaman has.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11644545/the-holocaust-survivor-who-made-resolving-conflict-her-lifes-work","authors":["251"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_223","news_1169","news_6188","news_8"],"tags":["news_20484","news_638","news_236"],"featImg":"news_11644653","label":"news_6944"},"news_11299596":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11299596","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11299596","score":null,"sort":[1514593827000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"three-refugees-three-journeys-to-california","title":"Three Refugees, Three Journeys to California","publishDate":1514593827,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"76LLRzBU4RDjQbdeeFOERfHTYtZztlW2\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The California Report Magazine recently won an \u003ca href=\"http://www.spjnorcal.org/new/2017/10/23/2017-excellence-in-journalism-award-winners/\">award\u003c/a> from the Society of Professional Journalists for a show highlighting the stories of three Californians who have journeyed to the U.S. as refugees at different points in history. It originally aired in February 2017 after President Donald Trump announced his initial travel ban and plans to stop admission of certain refugees. We re-aired the show, with updates, in December. Listen to the full show:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[soundcloud url=\"https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306438245\" params=\"color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" iframe=\"true\" /]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One man we profiled fled the Syrian civil war with his family, and recently settled in East Oakland. Another fled Vietnam in the wake of the Vietnam War in 1975, and settled in Los Angeles. A third fled the Holocaust in 1945, and settled in Berkeley after surviving nine Nazi concentration camps.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/06/uprooted-by-war-syrian-family-grows-new-community-in-california/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mohammad Aref Rawoas\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11299887\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11299887 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Mohammad Aref Rawoas shows off his garden in East Oakland. He stands among young figs, lemons, grapes, peas, and loquats. The small side yard pales in comparison to the nearly ten-acre farm the family had in Syria.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mohammad Aref Rawoas shows off his garden in East Oakland. He stands among young figs, lemons, grapes, peas and loquats. The small side yard pales in comparison to the nearly 10-acre farm the family had in Syria. \u003ccite>(Laura Klivans/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Name: \u003c/strong>Mohammad Aref Rawoas\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Home Country: \u003c/strong>Syria\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>California Home:\u003c/strong> Oakland\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Year immigrated: \u003c/strong>2015\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why he fled: \u003c/strong>Syrian civil war\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he \u003ca href=\"https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">had to show\u003c/a> to get in: \u003c/strong>fingerprints, identification cards, photos, iris scans, medical exams, five background checks, dozens of interviews\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"8utHQyS5IDbNF2igAjZJPIROylu0i6Nz\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he thinks of President Trump's efforts to limit refugees: \u003c/strong>\"We think the world is closed now to refugees because every country has reached its capacity or is closed. Where are people supposed to go? They will either stay inside [Syria] and die in the war, or they will try to get out and flee. If they don't die inside, they'll die at sea. We were joyful that doors opened for us, but now, for many people, life has become dark.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Update, December 2017: The family has started a Bay Area catering business called Old Damascus Fare, making mostly Syrian dishes. \"We are hoping that the catering business will help us to build a good life in this country,\" says his daughter Batool. \"We want to move past the struggles that come along with being a refugee, and hope to have an easier life.\"\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/04/viet-thanh-nguyen-on-his-timely-collection-the-refugees/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Viet Thanh Nguyen\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11299999\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11299999 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-800x533.jpg\" alt='Pulitzer Prize-winning author Viet Thanh Nguyen signs copies of his new collection of short stories, \"The Refugees.\" Nguyen came to the United States with his family as a refugee from Vietnam after the end of the Vietnam War in 1975.' width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Pulitzer Prize-winning author Viet Thanh Nguyen signs copies of his new collection of short stories, \"The Refugees.\" Nguyen came to the United States with his family as a refugee from Vietnam after the end of the Vietnam War in 1975. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Name: \u003c/strong>Viet Thanh Nguyen\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Home Country: \u003c/strong>Vietnam\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>California Home: \u003c/strong>Los Angeles\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Year Immigrated: \u003c/strong>1975\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why he fled: \u003c/strong>Communist victory in the Vietnam War\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he had to show to get in: \"\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Obviously we didn't have the kinds of documents we would have needed because we were war refugees. People who left in a more organized fashion before the final day of the invasion did have to present passports and visas. But people who were just literally jumping on boats to get out, we didn't have those kinds of documents.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"7GpYy7v8pcQtpXZN4ETEmFYdCZKObo1C\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he thinks of President Trump's efforts to restrict refugees: \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\"I wouldn't want to be in that situation. It's happening to people that their lives have suddenly been utterly disrupted. The Trump administration has said this is simply a temporary disruption, but obviously if it's your life and you've been cut off from your home, your family, your children, your spouse, it's devastating.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Update, December 2017: Since we first braodcast this interview, Viet Nguyen was awarded a \u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/books/la-et-jc-macarthur-fellows-nguyen-20171010-story.html\">Macarthur \"Genius\" award\u003c/a> for his fiction and cultural criticism. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/05/unlikely-roomates-holocaust-survivor-and-granddaughter-of-nazis-share-a-home-in-berkeley/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ben Stern\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11299998\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11299998 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Ben Stern holds up a copy of a newspaper clipping show him and his wife after they came to the United States as Jewish refugees after World War II. Stern survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Stern holds up a copy of a newspaper clipping show him and his wife after they came to the United States as Jewish refugees after World War II. Stern survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Name: \u003c/strong>Ben Stern\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Home Country: \u003c/strong>Poland\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>California Home: \u003c/strong>Berkeley\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Year Immigrated: \u003c/strong>1945\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why he fled: \u003c/strong>Holocaust\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he had to show to get in: \u003c/strong>His tattoo from a Nazi concentration camp\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"StxmuMbOy1v903ubZ02BuyhRwNmem4mw\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he thinks of President Trump's executive orders: \"\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We as American people must say not now, not here. The Constitution offers the freedom of speech and religion. We need to help the people when they reach for a handout.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Update, December 2017: In August, Ben Stern\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/08/27/holocaust-survivor-leads-march-in-berkeley/\"> led an anti-racism march\u003c/a> in downtown Berkeley. He'll be speaking at a \u003ca href=\"https://bampfa.org/event/free-speech-and-its-limits-unfinished-conversation\">screening\u003c/a> of \"Near Normal Man,\" a documentary about his life, on January 25 in Berkeley.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"With U.S. refugee policy in the global eye, we hear the stories of three Californians who came here as refugees at three very different points in history.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1515096378,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":33,"wordCount":810},"headData":{"title":"Three Refugees, Three Journeys to California | KQED","description":"With U.S. refugee policy in the global eye, we hear the stories of three Californians who came here as refugees at three very different points in history.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Three Refugees, Three Journeys to California","datePublished":"2017-12-30T00:30:27.000Z","dateModified":"2018-01-04T20:06:18.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11299596 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11299596","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/29/three-refugees-three-journeys-to-california/","disqusTitle":"Three Refugees, Three Journeys to California","audioUrl":"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/02/2017-02-03-tcrmag.mp3","guestFields":"0","path":"/news/11299596/three-refugees-three-journeys-to-california","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The California Report Magazine recently won an \u003ca href=\"http://www.spjnorcal.org/new/2017/10/23/2017-excellence-in-journalism-award-winners/\">award\u003c/a> from the Society of Professional Journalists for a show highlighting the stories of three Californians who have journeyed to the U.S. as refugees at different points in history. It originally aired in February 2017 after President Donald Trump announced his initial travel ban and plans to stop admission of certain refugees. We re-aired the show, with updates, in December. Listen to the full show:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__shortcodes__shortcodeWrapper'>\n \u003ciframe width='100%' height='166'\n scrolling='no' frameborder='no'\n src='https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306438245&visual=true&color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false'\n title='https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306438245'>\n \u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One man we profiled fled the Syrian civil war with his family, and recently settled in East Oakland. Another fled Vietnam in the wake of the Vietnam War in 1975, and settled in Los Angeles. A third fled the Holocaust in 1945, and settled in Berkeley after surviving nine Nazi concentration camps.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/06/uprooted-by-war-syrian-family-grows-new-community-in-california/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mohammad Aref Rawoas\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11299887\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11299887 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Mohammad Aref Rawoas shows off his garden in East Oakland. He stands among young figs, lemons, grapes, peas, and loquats. The small side yard pales in comparison to the nearly ten-acre farm the family had in Syria.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Mohammed-Aref-Rawoas-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mohammad Aref Rawoas shows off his garden in East Oakland. He stands among young figs, lemons, grapes, peas and loquats. The small side yard pales in comparison to the nearly 10-acre farm the family had in Syria. \u003ccite>(Laura Klivans/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Name: \u003c/strong>Mohammad Aref Rawoas\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Home Country: \u003c/strong>Syria\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>California Home:\u003c/strong> Oakland\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Year immigrated: \u003c/strong>2015\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why he fled: \u003c/strong>Syrian civil war\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he \u003ca href=\"https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">had to show\u003c/a> to get in: \u003c/strong>fingerprints, identification cards, photos, iris scans, medical exams, five background checks, dozens of interviews\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he thinks of President Trump's efforts to limit refugees: \u003c/strong>\"We think the world is closed now to refugees because every country has reached its capacity or is closed. Where are people supposed to go? They will either stay inside [Syria] and die in the war, or they will try to get out and flee. If they don't die inside, they'll die at sea. We were joyful that doors opened for us, but now, for many people, life has become dark.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Update, December 2017: The family has started a Bay Area catering business called Old Damascus Fare, making mostly Syrian dishes. \"We are hoping that the catering business will help us to build a good life in this country,\" says his daughter Batool. \"We want to move past the struggles that come along with being a refugee, and hope to have an easier life.\"\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/04/viet-thanh-nguyen-on-his-timely-collection-the-refugees/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Viet Thanh Nguyen\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11299999\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11299999 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-800x533.jpg\" alt='Pulitzer Prize-winning author Viet Thanh Nguyen signs copies of his new collection of short stories, \"The Refugees.\" Nguyen came to the United States with his family as a refugee from Vietnam after the end of the Vietnam War in 1975.' width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Viet-Thanh-Nguyen-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Pulitzer Prize-winning author Viet Thanh Nguyen signs copies of his new collection of short stories, \"The Refugees.\" Nguyen came to the United States with his family as a refugee from Vietnam after the end of the Vietnam War in 1975. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Name: \u003c/strong>Viet Thanh Nguyen\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Home Country: \u003c/strong>Vietnam\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>California Home: \u003c/strong>Los Angeles\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Year Immigrated: \u003c/strong>1975\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why he fled: \u003c/strong>Communist victory in the Vietnam War\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he had to show to get in: \"\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Obviously we didn't have the kinds of documents we would have needed because we were war refugees. People who left in a more organized fashion before the final day of the invasion did have to present passports and visas. But people who were just literally jumping on boats to get out, we didn't have those kinds of documents.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he thinks of President Trump's efforts to restrict refugees: \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\"I wouldn't want to be in that situation. It's happening to people that their lives have suddenly been utterly disrupted. The Trump administration has said this is simply a temporary disruption, but obviously if it's your life and you've been cut off from your home, your family, your children, your spouse, it's devastating.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Update, December 2017: Since we first braodcast this interview, Viet Nguyen was awarded a \u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/books/la-et-jc-macarthur-fellows-nguyen-20171010-story.html\">Macarthur \"Genius\" award\u003c/a> for his fiction and cultural criticism. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/05/unlikely-roomates-holocaust-survivor-and-granddaughter-of-nazis-share-a-home-in-berkeley/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ben Stern\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11299998\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11299998 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Ben Stern holds up a copy of a newspaper clipping show him and his wife after they came to the United States as Jewish refugees after World War II. Stern survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Stern holds up a copy of a newspaper clipping show him and his wife after they came to the United States as Jewish refugees after World War II. Stern survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Name: \u003c/strong>Ben Stern\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Home Country: \u003c/strong>Poland\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>California Home: \u003c/strong>Berkeley\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Year Immigrated: \u003c/strong>1945\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why he fled: \u003c/strong>Holocaust\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he had to show to get in: \u003c/strong>His tattoo from a Nazi concentration camp\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What he thinks of President Trump's executive orders: \"\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We as American people must say not now, not here. The Constitution offers the freedom of speech and religion. We need to help the people when they reach for a handout.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Update, December 2017: In August, Ben Stern\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/08/27/holocaust-survivor-leads-march-in-berkeley/\"> led an anti-racism march\u003c/a> in downtown Berkeley. He'll be speaking at a \u003ca href=\"https://bampfa.org/event/free-speech-and-its-limits-unfinished-conversation\">screening\u003c/a> of \"Near Normal Man,\" a documentary about his life, on January 25 in Berkeley.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11299596/three-refugees-three-journeys-to-california","authors":["254","8648","107","11260","98","11314"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72"],"categories":["news_1169","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_20484","news_19006","news_19005","news_17286","news_235"],"featImg":"news_11300087","label":"news_72"},"news_11299892":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11299892","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11299892","score":null,"sort":[1486282546000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"unlikely-roomates-holocaust-survivor-and-granddaughter-of-nazis-share-a-home-in-berkeley","title":"Unlikely Roommates: Holocaust Survivor and Granddaughter of Nazis Share a Home in Berkeley","publishDate":1486282546,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Ben Stern and Lea Heitfeld do the things many roommates do: They cook lunch together, do the dishes, argue about keeping the house clean and the cupboards closed. But they're an unusual pair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern is a 95-year-old Holocaust survivor from Poland. He survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches. Heitfeld is a 31-year-old German graduate student in Berkeley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it's not just the six-decade age gap that sets these roomies apart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[soundcloud url=\"https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306030342\" params=\"color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" iframe=\"true\" /]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My grandparents were Nazis,\" Heitfeld said. \"They were very active. They were really into the system.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But her parents felt differently. They raised her to ask questions about what responsibility non-Jewish Germans had for the Holocaust and to continue to keep this part of German history alive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My grandparents' generation is not there anymore, so how do you keep memory alive? What is important to be preserved? How is it supposed to be remembered?\" she said. \"I found that very meaningful. I suddenly realized this generation, the survivors, are still around, and how can I say I have nothing to do if I can contribute something?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'As long as I’m not doing anything, I will always stay a perpetrator in a way. I will stay someone who hasn’t learned from history.'\u003ccite>Lea Heitfeld\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>She said that's what led her to the U.S. for a graduate degree in Jewish studies, at the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, and to her 95-year-old housemate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were looking for a live-in companion for Ben,\" Heitfeld said, \"and my professor wrote me that Ben is the coolest, funniest, most handsome old dude I know.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After Stern's wife moved into an assisted living facility, having Heitfeld around was a chance to not be so lonely, to share meals -- and ideas -- with someone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I'm open-minded to get along with people,\" Stern said. \"I want to prove it that it can be done.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even before they met, Stern felt a connection with Heitfeld.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The name Lea meant so much to me,\" he said. \"My grandmother’s name was Lea, and I carried her on my arms from the train to the Warsaw Ghetto. She passed away in the ghetto from starvation, but she was such a dear, warm individual. The name Lea is just dear to me in my head.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11299998\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11299998\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Ben Stern holds up a copy of a newspaper clipping show him and his wife after they came to the United States as Jewish refugees after World War II. Stern survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Stern holds up a copy of a newspaper clipping showing him and his wife after they came to the United States as Jewish refugees after World War II. Stern survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Heitfeld is Stern's friend, not his caretaker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 95-year-old is amazingly active. He walks at least an hour a day on his treadmill, reads books and checks his email. Plus, he’s got his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren nearby.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He continues to surprise us,\" said his daughter, Charlene Stern, \"walking a mile and a half to visit my mom almost every day, insisting on doing everything he can still do and finding new ways to do it, despite blindness and deafness. He's a force for life.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Stern, Heitfeld and Charlene sit down to a lunch of pumpernickel, lox, tomatoes and cheese, Stern shares his secret to longevity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Being positive in life. Very simple. Optimistic. Positive,\" he said. \"Go forward. Don’t look back. I got a lot to look back, and I live with that. I live with both.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I thought you were going to tell her about your vodka,\" Charlene adds with a laugh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While this meal is full of laughter, Stern said mealtimes often turn serious when he and Heitfeld talk about his history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He was just 17 when the Nazis invaded Poland, turning his neighborhood into a prison for Jews. His parents and eight brothers and one sister were all killed. He survived multiple concentration camps and was one of only a tiny percentage to survive a death march from Buchenwald in 1945.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Seven thousand boys left Buchenwald on April 3,\" Stern said. \"We walked 35 days without a piece of bread. Four boiled potatoes every afternoon. Thirty-five days, from 7,000, we were 156 who survived.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'You cannot stand by and be indifferent. That is a sin. A colossal sin that will catch up with you later on.'\u003ccite>Ben Stern\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Seven decades later, Heitfeld is trying to reconcile her country and family’s past by living with and sharing a life with Stern.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You find yourself on the side of the perpetrators because you know it's the history of the nation, and it's your family history, too,\" she said of being a German. \"How can I say I wouldn't have participated if so many people participated?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This sense of what happened before in her own country has pushed Heitfeld to make sure she's not a bystander when groups are discriminated against today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Where am I contributing? Where am I standing up? Where am I raising my voice?\" she said. \"As long as I'm not doing anything, I will always stay a perpetrator in a way. I will stay someone who hasn't learned from history.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>'A Near Normal Man'\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charlene also wants to make sure that young people like Heitfeld learn from -- and don't repeat -- history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She has produced a new 30-minute film about her father’s life, which will be distributed primarily to schools and universities. She hopes the film will reach young people with his message of hope and resilience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUcZpDpMyX4\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I couldn't stand the thought that as the survivors pass on, the history becomes documents by third-party people,\" Charlene said. \"I've grown up standing next to my parents and their pain. It's very real to me. I was worried that it would become arm's length ancient history so very quickly. It became important to me, critical that his voice go out, that he tells his own story.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The film shows Stern's life -- surviving Nazi doctor Joseph Mengele, being liberated by the Americans and finding his way to the United States with his new bride. She's decided to call the film \"A Near Normal Man.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My father's always said he's near normal for a man who was a fugitive, was enslaved, was beaten, whipped, shot at, starved, marched almost to death twice,\" Charlene said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even all these years later, Charlene is still in awe of her father.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The most astounding fact of having him for a father is where does his courage and kindness and hope come from?\" she said. \"I have been a witness to it every day. He continues to surprise me.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The film also shows Stern's controversial stance as the leader of a movement to prevent neo-Nazis from marching in his newly adopted hometown of Skokie, Illinois, in 1978. Charlene said other Jewish-Americans didn't take the hate group seriously and told her dad to \"let it pass.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My dad would not let it pass,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern collected more than 750,000 signatures \u003ca href=\"http://www.jweekly.com/2010/04/16/berkeley-survivor-dedicates-life-to-sharing-his-heartrending-story/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">opposing the march\u003c/a>, but the neo-Nazis won the right to march with help from the ACLU.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even though it’s a controversial comparison to make, Stern said he does see an echo of Nazi Germany in what’s already happening to civil rights under President Trump's administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I learned a long time ago that history repeats itself,\" he said. \"The European people were mostly indifferent to the Jewish destruction. Many of them were sympathizers. Many took active part in it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern said he was taken aback when President Trump did not mention Jews at all \u003ca href=\"http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/white-house-holocaust-jews-234572\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in his statement\u003c/a> marking Holocaust Remembrance Day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"How can you ignore it and not mention the people of the Holocaust?\" he said. \"It’s hitting right into the heart telling you, 'I don’t care.' They don’t exist for him. And that’s what’s frightening. And that’s why we’ve got to say, 'Not here, not now.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He said someone who is indifferent to the suffering of others is just as guilty as an active collaborator.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That’s what I’m applying today to the youth,\" he said. \"You cannot stand by and be indifferent. That is a sin. A colossal sin that will catch up with you later on.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's the message Charlene hopes young people will take away from \"A Near Normal Man.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This film is not another Holocaust film. This is a film with the tools for the next generation for America today,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At 95, Stern remains defiant but also hopeful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We as American people must say not now, not here. We need to help the people when they reach for a handout,\" he said. \"I don't know what I’m looking for, but I'm hopeful that we as Americans continue to live and enjoy the freedom that this country offers.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-12127869\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg\" alt=\"Q.Logo.Break\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>For more details on\u003c/em> \"A Near Normal Man,\" \u003cem>check out the \u003ca href=\"http://nearnormalman.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">website\u003c/a>. Educators interested in using the film in their classrooms can find more information \u003ca href=\"https://www.academicvideostore.com/video/near-normal-man\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A 95-year-old Holocaust survivor and his German roommate, the granddaughter of Nazis, reflect on what it takes to stand up for civil rights, and their fears for refugees under the Trump administration.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1580165813,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":51,"wordCount":1600},"headData":{"title":"Unlikely Roommates: Holocaust Survivor and Granddaughter of Nazis Share a Home in Berkeley | KQED","description":"A 95-year-old Holocaust survivor and his German roommate, the granddaughter of Nazis, reflect on what it takes to stand up for civil rights, and their fears for refugees under the Trump administration.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Unlikely Roommates: Holocaust Survivor and Granddaughter of Nazis Share a Home in Berkeley","datePublished":"2017-02-05T08:15:46.000Z","dateModified":"2020-01-27T22:56:53.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11299892 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11299892","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/05/unlikely-roomates-holocaust-survivor-and-granddaughter-of-nazis-share-a-home-in-berkeley/","disqusTitle":"Unlikely Roommates: Holocaust Survivor and Granddaughter of Nazis Share a Home in Berkeley","path":"/news/11299892/unlikely-roomates-holocaust-survivor-and-granddaughter-of-nazis-share-a-home-in-berkeley","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Ben Stern and Lea Heitfeld do the things many roommates do: They cook lunch together, do the dishes, argue about keeping the house clean and the cupboards closed. But they're an unusual pair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern is a 95-year-old Holocaust survivor from Poland. He survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches. Heitfeld is a 31-year-old German graduate student in Berkeley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it's not just the six-decade age gap that sets these roomies apart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__shortcodes__shortcodeWrapper'>\n \u003ciframe width='100%' height='166'\n scrolling='no' frameborder='no'\n src='https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306030342&visual=true&color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false'\n title='https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/306030342'>\n \u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My grandparents were Nazis,\" Heitfeld said. \"They were very active. 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I suddenly realized this generation, the survivors, are still around, and how can I say I have nothing to do if I can contribute something?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'As long as I’m not doing anything, I will always stay a perpetrator in a way. I will stay someone who hasn’t learned from history.'\u003ccite>Lea Heitfeld\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>She said that's what led her to the U.S. for a graduate degree in Jewish studies, at the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, and to her 95-year-old housemate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were looking for a live-in companion for Ben,\" Heitfeld said, \"and my professor wrote me that Ben is the coolest, funniest, most handsome old dude I know.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After Stern's wife moved into an assisted living facility, having Heitfeld around was a chance to not be so lonely, to share meals -- and ideas -- with someone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I'm open-minded to get along with people,\" Stern said. \"I want to prove it that it can be done.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even before they met, Stern felt a connection with Heitfeld.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The name Lea meant so much to me,\" he said. \"My grandmother’s name was Lea, and I carried her on my arms from the train to the Warsaw Ghetto. She passed away in the ghetto from starvation, but she was such a dear, warm individual. The name Lea is just dear to me in my head.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11299998\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11299998\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/Ben-Stern-1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Ben Stern holds up a copy of a newspaper clipping show him and his wife after they came to the United States as Jewish refugees after World War II. 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Stern survived two ghettos, nine concentration camps and two death marches. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Heitfeld is Stern's friend, not his caretaker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 95-year-old is amazingly active. He walks at least an hour a day on his treadmill, reads books and checks his email. Plus, he’s got his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren nearby.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He continues to surprise us,\" said his daughter, Charlene Stern, \"walking a mile and a half to visit my mom almost every day, insisting on doing everything he can still do and finding new ways to do it, despite blindness and deafness. He's a force for life.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Stern, Heitfeld and Charlene sit down to a lunch of pumpernickel, lox, tomatoes and cheese, Stern shares his secret to longevity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Being positive in life. Very simple. Optimistic. Positive,\" he said. \"Go forward. Don’t look back. I got a lot to look back, and I live with that. I live with both.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I thought you were going to tell her about your vodka,\" Charlene adds with a laugh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While this meal is full of laughter, Stern said mealtimes often turn serious when he and Heitfeld talk about his history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He was just 17 when the Nazis invaded Poland, turning his neighborhood into a prison for Jews. His parents and eight brothers and one sister were all killed. He survived multiple concentration camps and was one of only a tiny percentage to survive a death march from Buchenwald in 1945.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Seven thousand boys left Buchenwald on April 3,\" Stern said. \"We walked 35 days without a piece of bread. Four boiled potatoes every afternoon. Thirty-five days, from 7,000, we were 156 who survived.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'You cannot stand by and be indifferent. That is a sin. A colossal sin that will catch up with you later on.'\u003ccite>Ben Stern\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Seven decades later, Heitfeld is trying to reconcile her country and family’s past by living with and sharing a life with Stern.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You find yourself on the side of the perpetrators because you know it's the history of the nation, and it's your family history, too,\" she said of being a German. \"How can I say I wouldn't have participated if so many people participated?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This sense of what happened before in her own country has pushed Heitfeld to make sure she's not a bystander when groups are discriminated against today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Where am I contributing? Where am I standing up? Where am I raising my voice?\" she said. \"As long as I'm not doing anything, I will always stay a perpetrator in a way. I will stay someone who hasn't learned from history.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>'A Near Normal Man'\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charlene also wants to make sure that young people like Heitfeld learn from -- and don't repeat -- history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She has produced a new 30-minute film about her father’s life, which will be distributed primarily to schools and universities. She hopes the film will reach young people with his message of hope and resilience.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/AUcZpDpMyX4'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/AUcZpDpMyX4'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\"I couldn't stand the thought that as the survivors pass on, the history becomes documents by third-party people,\" Charlene said. \"I've grown up standing next to my parents and their pain. It's very real to me. I was worried that it would become arm's length ancient history so very quickly. It became important to me, critical that his voice go out, that he tells his own story.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The film shows Stern's life -- surviving Nazi doctor Joseph Mengele, being liberated by the Americans and finding his way to the United States with his new bride. She's decided to call the film \"A Near Normal Man.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My father's always said he's near normal for a man who was a fugitive, was enslaved, was beaten, whipped, shot at, starved, marched almost to death twice,\" Charlene said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even all these years later, Charlene is still in awe of her father.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The most astounding fact of having him for a father is where does his courage and kindness and hope come from?\" she said. \"I have been a witness to it every day. He continues to surprise me.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The film also shows Stern's controversial stance as the leader of a movement to prevent neo-Nazis from marching in his newly adopted hometown of Skokie, Illinois, in 1978. Charlene said other Jewish-Americans didn't take the hate group seriously and told her dad to \"let it pass.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My dad would not let it pass,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern collected more than 750,000 signatures \u003ca href=\"http://www.jweekly.com/2010/04/16/berkeley-survivor-dedicates-life-to-sharing-his-heartrending-story/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">opposing the march\u003c/a>, but the neo-Nazis won the right to march with help from the ACLU.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even though it’s a controversial comparison to make, Stern said he does see an echo of Nazi Germany in what’s already happening to civil rights under President Trump's administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I learned a long time ago that history repeats itself,\" he said. \"The European people were mostly indifferent to the Jewish destruction. Many of them were sympathizers. Many took active part in it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stern said he was taken aback when President Trump did not mention Jews at all \u003ca href=\"http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/white-house-holocaust-jews-234572\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in his statement\u003c/a> marking Holocaust Remembrance Day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"How can you ignore it and not mention the people of the Holocaust?\" he said. \"It’s hitting right into the heart telling you, 'I don’t care.' They don’t exist for him. And that’s what’s frightening. And that’s why we’ve got to say, 'Not here, not now.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He said someone who is indifferent to the suffering of others is just as guilty as an active collaborator.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That’s what I’m applying today to the youth,\" he said. \"You cannot stand by and be indifferent. That is a sin. A colossal sin that will catch up with you later on.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's the message Charlene hopes young people will take away from \"A Near Normal Man.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This film is not another Holocaust film. This is a film with the tools for the next generation for America today,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At 95, Stern remains defiant but also hopeful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We as American people must say not now, not here. 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