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After Cruise’s rise and fall in San Francisco, what’s ahead for the robotaxi industry?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3221209728\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, and welcome to the Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. There was a moment last year where it seemed like the rise of robo taxis or driverless vehicles in San Francisco was just inevitable. There was fascination, but also skepticism, and yet they just kept coming until, of course, the carpet got pulled out from under one of the biggest names in the industry; Cruise.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>After a series of viral mishaps, bad PR and a cruise vehicle hitting and dragging a woman. Cruise is now off the streets. So does that mean robo taxis are done for?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>That really is like, felt like such a severe turning point for how regulators and the general public and even the tech press saw cruise, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, the future of robo taxis in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Cruise was sort of this company that felt like you saw them everywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Joshua Bote is a tech reporter for the San Francisco Standard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>You saw them in the sunset. You saw them in the Richmond, and eventually you started seeing them all over the city. I think that it was widely understood that cruise was the company that was expanding, and Waymo was sort of trying to be slower and be a little bit less aggressive with their expansion in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, back in August, Cruise and Waymo got the okay to charge fares, and it really just felt like, okay, these things are just going to be around like they’re going to be part of life here in San Francisco. Is that how it felt to you?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Yeah. You know, there’s definitely was this idea that they were sort of inevitable, right? That once they got sort of introduced into the cities, that they would just keep on coming and keep on expanding and, you know, you’d see less and less drivers operating these things in these robo taxis would operate on their own around the packed streets of downtown and Union Square, and you’d see them everywhere. There were a lot of big numbers that were being touted around, not just by analysts, but by the companies themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>GM executives and cruise executives were like, by 2025, cruise would be on track to make $1 billion. By 2030, cruise would make $50 billion like the sky was the limit. I think people took them at their word that this technology was working, and that it would prove to be the future of trading in San Francisco, not just, you know, in cars. But I think that, like people believed that it would upend public transit systems and change the way that people get around the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Right. So the messaging at the time was, this is the future. Humans are terrible drivers. Leave it up to the robotaxis. But then this feeling that Waymo and Cruise especially were flying high, seemed to really take a pretty quick turn when these high profile incidents and videos came out. Can you remind us of some of the biggest ones?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Almost immediately after Cruise and Waymo were approved to expand their services and operations in San Francisco? That was August 10th. A day later, I was covering outside lands, and I remember leaving Golden Gate Park and immediately seeing just a cruise stuck at the intersection for like a solid half hour, just causing traffic jams. It was such a jarring thing to see that this technology had immediately faltered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Around that time, too. There was an incident in North Beach where there were like 5 or 6 cruisers that, like, couldn’t move. And that was just this one two punch of what is actually going to happen when if there’s a Warriors game or if there’s like a big giant scam, like what will happen? And how can crews specifically adapt to big events like this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And, and I mean, those stolen cars were one thing, but then people actually were hurt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Yeah, there were other incidents, right? Like there were cruisers that were stuck in wet concrete. There were cruisers that like, got tangled up in electrical wiring during a storm. A lot of emergency vehicles and first responders and, you know, police and fire unions complained about crews and Waymo cars impeding their access to emergency scenes. But the big, big incident that I think sort of proved to be the turning point for how we saw crews in Waymo was, on October 2nd.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>A hit and run. Driver struck a woman. The driver fled the scene, but then a cruise immediately after ran her over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>It was a horrible, horrible thing to see. I think that people were really disturbed and shaken up by it. I think the immediate response by crews also proved to be a little bit concerning. They really tried to frame it in a different light in a way that as time would go on and more information came out about it, that it felt like Cruz was sort of deceiving the public and officials about how they handled the situation. Before the end of the month. Cruz had fully had its license to operate suspended by the DMV because of specifically this incident, and Cruz itself voluntarily pulled out all of its fleet across the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Can we expect them to be back on the road anytime soon?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>They said when they pulled out the fleet that they would come back in a smaller city and on a slower scale. They haven’t identified the city yet. That’s something that I’ve tried asking them about. It seems like they’re going to try and do a much slower expansion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>And it’s interesting to see, because before all of this happened, they were really adamant about grocery, really adamant about expanding their services. And this just feels like a far cry from it. Right? Just one city a lot more slowly and just trying to emphasize safety and emphasize building trust with the public again. And I think that that’s something that we’re going to see a lot more of in 2024.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up. What Cruse’s downfall means for the rest of the robotaxi industry. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joshua, we’ve been talking a lot about crews, but they’re not the only robo taxi company. Right? So I’m wondering where what’s happened to crews, and it’s sort of fall from grace. Where has that left other companies?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I think from the analyst and expert point of view, Waymo is now the top dog. For so long, we sort of understood Cruise and Waymo to be sort of like a rabbit and the tortoise type story, where cruise was moving really fast and accelerating at this level, that felt untenable. And it ultimately was. And Waymo was understood to be this sort of slower, more safety oriented company. And as a result of that, Waymo does have this perception.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>But ultimately, Cruise’s mishaps hurt the driverless car market at large. Even Waymo sort of has to continue doubling down on these safety emphasis and doubling down and just making sure that they are gaining this trust. And as for Zoox, which is Amazon owned, even, they’re still trying to ramp up in a way that can sort of build trust and build better relationships with the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>There are other, you know, robo trucks and sort of these vehicles that are delivering things that are being introduced, highway robo trucks and other things like that. But I think for our intents and purposes, I think Waymo and to a lesser extent, Zoox are going to be the companies to keep an eye out on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Do you think that public officials are still friendly to robo taxis, even after everything that happened with cruiser? Do you think that something fundamental has shifted?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I always think that it varies on sort of the state versus local level because, you know, the Board of Supervisors, even before Cruise and Waymo were going to expand on this bigger level. There was a lot of skepticism from the board across all sides. On a state level, there is a little bit more attention being drawn to it. There’s a lot more skepticism from their end, which is why you’re seeing a lot of legislators introduce bills to try and get some more regulation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>As for Gavin Newsom, he vetoed a bill that would have had more regulations on robo trucks. What he said when he vetoed that robo truck regulation bill, was there enough things already in place to regulate robo taxis? And I don’t know that activists and other people fully agree with that, but that was the logic that he provided.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What is your sense, then, right now, of how the public in San Francisco in particular, is feeling about these robo taxis and, and these companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>You know, I was in the wharf recently and I was waiting for the streetcar to come pick me up. And I was sitting next to a tourist family. And the tourist family, like, saw Waymo driving by. 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It’s a pleasure to be on the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Joshua Bote, a tech reporter for the San Francisco Standard. This 30 minute conversation with Joshua was cut down and edited by senior editor Alan Montecillo. Maria Esquinca is our producer. She scored this episode. Music courtesy of Audio Network. The Bay is a production of KQED Public Media in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thanks for listening. 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But then this feeling that Waymo and Cruise especially were flying high, seemed to really take a pretty quick turn when these high profile incidents and videos came out. Can you remind us of some of the biggest ones?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Almost immediately after Cruise and Waymo were approved to expand their services and operations in San Francisco? That was August 10th. A day later, I was covering outside lands, and I remember leaving Golden Gate Park and immediately seeing just a cruise stuck at the intersection for like a solid half hour, just causing traffic jams. It was such a jarring thing to see that this technology had immediately faltered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Around that time, too. There was an incident in North Beach where there were like 5 or 6 cruisers that, like, couldn’t move. And that was just this one two punch of what is actually going to happen when if there’s a Warriors game or if there’s like a big giant scam, like what will happen? And how can crews specifically adapt to big events like this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And, and I mean, those stolen cars were one thing, but then people actually were hurt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Yeah, there were other incidents, right? Like there were cruisers that were stuck in wet concrete. There were cruisers that like, got tangled up in electrical wiring during a storm. A lot of emergency vehicles and first responders and, you know, police and fire unions complained about crews and Waymo cars impeding their access to emergency scenes. But the big, big incident that I think sort of proved to be the turning point for how we saw crews in Waymo was, on October 2nd.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>A hit and run. Driver struck a woman. The driver fled the scene, but then a cruise immediately after ran her over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[news clip]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>It was a horrible, horrible thing to see. I think that people were really disturbed and shaken up by it. I think the immediate response by crews also proved to be a little bit concerning. They really tried to frame it in a different light in a way that as time would go on and more information came out about it, that it felt like Cruz was sort of deceiving the public and officials about how they handled the situation. Before the end of the month. Cruz had fully had its license to operate suspended by the DMV because of specifically this incident, and Cruz itself voluntarily pulled out all of its fleet across the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Can we expect them to be back on the road anytime soon?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>They said when they pulled out the fleet that they would come back in a smaller city and on a slower scale. They haven’t identified the city yet. That’s something that I’ve tried asking them about. It seems like they’re going to try and do a much slower expansion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>And it’s interesting to see, because before all of this happened, they were really adamant about grocery, really adamant about expanding their services. And this just feels like a far cry from it. Right? Just one city a lot more slowly and just trying to emphasize safety and emphasize building trust with the public again. And I think that that’s something that we’re going to see a lot more of in 2024.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up. What Cruse’s downfall means for the rest of the robotaxi industry. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joshua, we’ve been talking a lot about crews, but they’re not the only robo taxi company. Right? So I’m wondering where what’s happened to crews, and it’s sort of fall from grace. Where has that left other companies?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I think from the analyst and expert point of view, Waymo is now the top dog. For so long, we sort of understood Cruise and Waymo to be sort of like a rabbit and the tortoise type story, where cruise was moving really fast and accelerating at this level, that felt untenable. And it ultimately was. And Waymo was understood to be this sort of slower, more safety oriented company. And as a result of that, Waymo does have this perception.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>But ultimately, Cruise’s mishaps hurt the driverless car market at large. Even Waymo sort of has to continue doubling down on these safety emphasis and doubling down and just making sure that they are gaining this trust. And as for Zoox, which is Amazon owned, even, they’re still trying to ramp up in a way that can sort of build trust and build better relationships with the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>There are other, you know, robo trucks and sort of these vehicles that are delivering things that are being introduced, highway robo trucks and other things like that. But I think for our intents and purposes, I think Waymo and to a lesser extent, Zoox are going to be the companies to keep an eye out on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Do you think that public officials are still friendly to robo taxis, even after everything that happened with cruiser? Do you think that something fundamental has shifted?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I always think that it varies on sort of the state versus local level because, you know, the Board of Supervisors, even before Cruise and Waymo were going to expand on this bigger level. There was a lot of skepticism from the board across all sides. On a state level, there is a little bit more attention being drawn to it. There’s a lot more skepticism from their end, which is why you’re seeing a lot of legislators introduce bills to try and get some more regulation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>As for Gavin Newsom, he vetoed a bill that would have had more regulations on robo trucks. What he said when he vetoed that robo truck regulation bill, was there enough things already in place to regulate robo taxis? And I don’t know that activists and other people fully agree with that, but that was the logic that he provided.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What is your sense, then, right now, of how the public in San Francisco in particular, is feeling about these robo taxis and, and these companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>You know, I was in the wharf recently and I was waiting for the streetcar to come pick me up. And I was sitting next to a tourist family. And the tourist family, like, saw Waymo driving by. And they were like amazed by it. They’re like, oh my God, it’s a driverless car. That’s so wild.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>San Francisco is such a crazy place and people think it’s cool or people think it’s stranger otters unnerving or it runs the gamut emotionally. But beyond this idea that that’s a cool thing, I don’t know that people are sort of using it in their day to day lives. People at the end of the day are still calling up Uber and Lyft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, what lessons are you taking away from the story of Cruise’s rise and fall?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>I think sort of evergreen one is to always be skeptical of companies, especially tech companies, when they make claims that are too good to be true. Like, cruise took out the ad that was like, we are safer than human drivers. Human drivers are terrible. And they took that out in the Chronicle, in the New York Times. It was everywhere. And even then I felt a little bit of skepticism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>But with all the details that kept coming out about how cruise wanted hyperspeed growth and how cruise sought to expand almost at the expense of their safety and regulation goals. When technology collides with the real world and and it’s no longer in beta testing and you sort of have to live with it, there are so many unforeseen consequences. And I think that that’s the thing that we have to pay attention to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Joshua, thank you so much for joining us on the show and for talking about this with me. I really appreciate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joshua Bote: \u003c/strong>Thank you for having me. It’s a pleasure to be on the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Joshua Bote, a tech reporter for the San Francisco Standard. This 30 minute conversation with Joshua was cut down and edited by senior editor Alan Montecillo. Maria Esquinca is our producer. She scored this episode. Music courtesy of Audio Network. The Bay is a production of KQED Public Media in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thanks for listening. Peace.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11973149/after-cruises-implosion-whats-next-for-robotaxis","authors":["8654","11802","11649"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_19179","news_33009","news_33028","news_353","news_22598","news_20576"],"featImg":"news_11973245","label":"source_news_11973149"},"news_11957833":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11957833","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11957833","score":null,"sort":[1691721906000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf","title":"Are You Ready for More Driverless Taxis? CPUC Votes to Let Cruise, Waymo Expand in SF","publishDate":1691721906,"format":"audio","headTitle":"Are You Ready for More Driverless Taxis? CPUC Votes to Let Cruise, Waymo Expand in SF | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 1:30 p.m. Friday: \u003c/strong>A San Francisco supervisor says city officials are considering ways to appeal Thursday night’s CPUC vote that gave the green light for unlimited commercial expansion of Cruise and Waymo’s autonomous vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The decision by state regulators followed months of protest by San Francisco officials, unions and civic groups. Supervisor Aaron Peskin says options include filing for a re-hearing, and engaging further with the DMV, state lawmakers and federal regulators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is the beginning. This is not the end,” Peskin said. “San Francisco is not going to shirk our responsibilities around fundamental life safety, public safety issues.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mayor London Breed’s office wrote KQED: “There remain challenges we need to work to resolve, especially when [autonomous vehicles] interfere with our first responders. We are … exploring our options for next steps.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 7:45 p.m. Thursday:\u003c/strong> The California Public Utilities Commission voted 3–1 Thursday evening to allow Cruise and Waymo robotaxis to charge fares in San Francisco where the DMV has already determined the vehicles are deployment ready.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mood was polite but charged over six-and-a-half hours of public testimony preceding the votes, as scores of people argued for and against.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These are private companies testing their private R&D on public roads,” said Lauren Renaud, a data analyst in San Francisco. “You are a regulatory agency. Please do your job and create regulation. I did not consent to be a beta tester.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think we should be championing this technology to help improve San Francisco’s infrastructure and not impede it,” said Nzechi Nwaokoro, a software engineer who said he grew up in the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following the vote, Waymo’s co-CEO wrote that the CPUC’s approval “marks the true beginning of our commercial operations in San Francisco.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cruise’s vice president of government affairs wrote that the company is now in a position to compete with traditional ride-hail companies, namely, Uber and Lyft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s unfortunate the commissioners looked at this issue very narrowly and departed from their own stated mission and values of ensuring public safety,” said Justin Kloczko, a tech and privacy advocate for Consumer Watchdog. “They are failing to regulate a dangerous, nascent industry. Los Angeles is next.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waymo has been operating fully autonomous test vehicles in Los Angeles \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/dmitri_dolgov/status/1630231987146608640?s=20\">since February\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Original story:\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nState regulators are \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/events-and-meetings/cpuc-voting-meeting-2023-08-10\">expected to vote\u003c/a> today on whether to give the green light to \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M516/K812/516812218.PDF\">Cruise (PDF)\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M516/K812/516812344.PDF\">Waymo (PDF)\u003c/a> to run an unlimited fleet of driverless robotaxis in San Francisco. If approved, the two companies would be able to charge for rides, at any hour of the day or night, throughout the city, and would be able to expand their fleets without limit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Department of Motor Vehicles gave its \u003ca href=\"https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/117199-2/\">approval\u003c/a> for commercial robotaxis back in September of 2021. And both GM-owned Cruise and Alphabet-owned Waymo already have autonomous vehicles, or AVs, roaming certain parts of the city for limited hours. But these driverless cars have also given rise to frustration and sometimes fear, documented in profusion on social media. Like this tweet, posted last Sunday:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/shaan_ca/status/1688226890170150912?s=20\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or this one, posted last Monday:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/alfsan/status/1688614136366714880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, in the most recent earnings conference call for shareholders, Cruise CEO and CTO Kyle Vogt described a rosy scenario approaching, when their multibillion dollar investments might finally break out onto the open road of profitability and any current issues would be resolved. In fact, he argues driverless robotaxis will ultimately be safer and more convenient than regular cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Safety continues to improve despite increasing complexity,” said Vogt two weeks ago. “Our analysis of the first 1 million miles shows AVs experienced 54% fewer collisions than human drivers in similar environments, and 92% fewer where the AV was the primary contributor. In other words, the vast majority of collisions are caused by inattentive human drivers, not the AV.” Vogt envisioned a day when people will find it more affordable to take robotaxis instead of owning cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two companies must now clear a final regulatory hurdle from the California Public Utilities Commission before taking on human-driven Uber and Lyft unobstructed in San Francisco. But the votes have been delayed twice, following concerns voiced by local first responders and law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are multiple documented cases of AVs rolling into emergency scenes, oblivious to human commands to stop. The vehicles also have a tendency to “brick,” or come to a complete stop when confused, regardless of location. (See tweets above.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11957839\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2023/08/10/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf/city-of-san-francisco/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-11957839\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11957839\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco.jpg\" alt=\"a slide from a presentation shows a bar graph going up on the left and a map on the right\" width=\"1000\" height=\"565\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco.jpg 1000w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco-800x452.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco-160x90.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screenshot from a CPUC meeting. \u003ccite>(SFFD, SFPD, SFMTA)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Local regulators have largely had to watch from the sidewalks, and they’ve been \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/08/2023.08.07_cpuc_status_conference_8.7.2023_final.pdf\">loud about their frustration (PDF)\u003c/a>. Jeffrey Tumlin, director of the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, says he’s bullish about the technology, but not the way company performance data is largely a black box to local officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The companies have mostly denied all of our data requests around performance,” he said. “So to the extent that we have data, it is largely from reporting that industry must do — at the federal level to NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), and at the state level to the California Public Utilities Commission and the DMV.” Tumlin claims the bulk of safety performance data San Francisco transit officials get is coming from calls to 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Dan Chatman, chair of UC Berkeley’s Department of City and Regional Planning, says the rollout of robotaxis is inevitable — and not just for San Francisco, or California. Three years ago, there were only test vehicles in a handful of places. Now, they prowl the streets of several large cities, including \u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/27/waymo-to-test-driverless-rides-with-employees-in-los-angeles/\">Los Angeles\u003c/a>, Phoenix, Austin and Miami. Cruise began offering the public a \u003ca href=\"https://getcruise.com/\">waitlist\u003c/a> for autonomous ride hailing in San Francisco in February of 2022. Waymo began \u003ca href=\"https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/\">offering rides\u003c/a> the following November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It isn’t completely transparent to me that, just because there are some well publicized issues with the vehicles, therefore, they should be shut down,” Chatman said. “The CPUC is in a position where it has to weigh the potential benefits and the costs, and I don’t envy them their task.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cruise is no longer a science project,” CEO Vogt said in that earnings call earlier this month. “There was once significant risk and reasons to doubt, but it’s now a rapidly growing business and transformational product.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Alexander Gonzalez contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The California Public Utilities Commission voted 3–1 Thursday evening to allow Cruise and Waymo robotaxis to charge fares in San Francisco.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1692395084,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":1139},"headData":{"title":"Are You Ready for More Driverless Taxis? 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Supervisor Aaron Peskin says options include filing for a re-hearing, and engaging further with the DMV, state lawmakers and federal regulators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is the beginning. This is not the end,” Peskin said. “San Francisco is not going to shirk our responsibilities around fundamental life safety, public safety issues.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mayor London Breed’s office wrote KQED: “There remain challenges we need to work to resolve, especially when [autonomous vehicles] interfere with our first responders. We are … exploring our options for next steps.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 7:45 p.m. Thursday:\u003c/strong> The California Public Utilities Commission voted 3–1 Thursday evening to allow Cruise and Waymo robotaxis to charge fares in San Francisco where the DMV has already determined the vehicles are deployment ready.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mood was polite but charged over six-and-a-half hours of public testimony preceding the votes, as scores of people argued for and against.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These are private companies testing their private R&D on public roads,” said Lauren Renaud, a data analyst in San Francisco. “You are a regulatory agency. Please do your job and create regulation. I did not consent to be a beta tester.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think we should be championing this technology to help improve San Francisco’s infrastructure and not impede it,” said Nzechi Nwaokoro, a software engineer who said he grew up in the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following the vote, Waymo’s co-CEO wrote that the CPUC’s approval “marks the true beginning of our commercial operations in San Francisco.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cruise’s vice president of government affairs wrote that the company is now in a position to compete with traditional ride-hail companies, namely, Uber and Lyft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s unfortunate the commissioners looked at this issue very narrowly and departed from their own stated mission and values of ensuring public safety,” said Justin Kloczko, a tech and privacy advocate for Consumer Watchdog. “They are failing to regulate a dangerous, nascent industry. Los Angeles is next.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waymo has been operating fully autonomous test vehicles in Los Angeles \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/dmitri_dolgov/status/1630231987146608640?s=20\">since February\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Original story:\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nState regulators are \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/events-and-meetings/cpuc-voting-meeting-2023-08-10\">expected to vote\u003c/a> today on whether to give the green light to \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M516/K812/516812218.PDF\">Cruise (PDF)\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M516/K812/516812344.PDF\">Waymo (PDF)\u003c/a> to run an unlimited fleet of driverless robotaxis in San Francisco. If approved, the two companies would be able to charge for rides, at any hour of the day or night, throughout the city, and would be able to expand their fleets without limit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Department of Motor Vehicles gave its \u003ca href=\"https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/117199-2/\">approval\u003c/a> for commercial robotaxis back in September of 2021. And both GM-owned Cruise and Alphabet-owned Waymo already have autonomous vehicles, or AVs, roaming certain parts of the city for limited hours. But these driverless cars have also given rise to frustration and sometimes fear, documented in profusion on social media. Like this tweet, posted last Sunday:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1688226890170150912"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Or this one, posted last Monday:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1688614136366714880"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>However, in the most recent earnings conference call for shareholders, Cruise CEO and CTO Kyle Vogt described a rosy scenario approaching, when their multibillion dollar investments might finally break out onto the open road of profitability and any current issues would be resolved. In fact, he argues driverless robotaxis will ultimately be safer and more convenient than regular cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Safety continues to improve despite increasing complexity,” said Vogt two weeks ago. “Our analysis of the first 1 million miles shows AVs experienced 54% fewer collisions than human drivers in similar environments, and 92% fewer where the AV was the primary contributor. In other words, the vast majority of collisions are caused by inattentive human drivers, not the AV.” Vogt envisioned a day when people will find it more affordable to take robotaxis instead of owning cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two companies must now clear a final regulatory hurdle from the California Public Utilities Commission before taking on human-driven Uber and Lyft unobstructed in San Francisco. But the votes have been delayed twice, following concerns voiced by local first responders and law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are multiple documented cases of AVs rolling into emergency scenes, oblivious to human commands to stop. The vehicles also have a tendency to “brick,” or come to a complete stop when confused, regardless of location. (See tweets above.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11957839\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2023/08/10/are-you-ready-for-more-driverless-taxis-cpuc-votes-on-whether-to-let-cruise-waymo-expand-in-sf/city-of-san-francisco/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-11957839\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11957839\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco.jpg\" alt=\"a slide from a presentation shows a bar graph going up on the left and a map on the right\" width=\"1000\" height=\"565\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco.jpg 1000w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco-800x452.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/08/city-of-san-francisco-160x90.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screenshot from a CPUC meeting. \u003ccite>(SFFD, SFPD, SFMTA)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Local regulators have largely had to watch from the sidewalks, and they’ve been \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/08/2023.08.07_cpuc_status_conference_8.7.2023_final.pdf\">loud about their frustration (PDF)\u003c/a>. Jeffrey Tumlin, director of the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, says he’s bullish about the technology, but not the way company performance data is largely a black box to local officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The companies have mostly denied all of our data requests around performance,” he said. “So to the extent that we have data, it is largely from reporting that industry must do — at the federal level to NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), and at the state level to the California Public Utilities Commission and the DMV.” Tumlin claims the bulk of safety performance data San Francisco transit officials get is coming from calls to 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Dan Chatman, chair of UC Berkeley’s Department of City and Regional Planning, says the rollout of robotaxis is inevitable — and not just for San Francisco, or California. Three years ago, there were only test vehicles in a handful of places. Now, they prowl the streets of several large cities, including \u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/27/waymo-to-test-driverless-rides-with-employees-in-los-angeles/\">Los Angeles\u003c/a>, Phoenix, Austin and Miami. Cruise began offering the public a \u003ca href=\"https://getcruise.com/\">waitlist\u003c/a> for autonomous ride hailing in San Francisco in February of 2022. Waymo began \u003ca href=\"https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/\">offering rides\u003c/a> the following November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It isn’t completely transparent to me that, just because there are some well publicized issues with the vehicles, therefore, they should be shut down,” Chatman said. “The CPUC is in a position where it has to weigh the potential benefits and the costs, and I don’t envy them their task.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cruise is no longer a science project,” CEO Vogt said in that earnings call earlier this month. “There was once significant risk and reasons to doubt, but it’s now a rapidly growing business and transformational product.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Alexander Gonzalez contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv 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wp-image-11907391\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final.png\" alt='Cartoon: an angry man holding a PG&E bill with fees like, \"wildfire liability fee and town-burning fee\" yells, \"these solar incentives are killing me!\" The caption reads, \"what no one said, ever (except PG&E)\"' width=\"1920\" height=\"1361\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final.png 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-800x567.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-1020x723.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-160x113.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-1536x1089.png 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>Solar energy is at a crossroads in California, with \u003ca href=\"https://bit.ly/fiorerooftopsolar\">big utility companies pushing to reduce solar incentives in the name of equity\u003c/a>, as solar installers and some ratepayers cry foul.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It makes sense that old-fashioned (\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11808166/pge-pleads-guilty-to-involuntary-manslaughter-in-deadly-camp-fire\">and, in some cases, criminal\u003c/a>) utilities like PG&E want large-scale solar arrays and see the state's booming rooftop solar industry as a threat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most maddening of all, industry-backed \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1978423/california-utilities-have-donated-1-67-million-to-grassroots-groups-fighting-rooftop-solar-power\">astroturf groups like Affordable Clean Energy for All\u003c/a> are using dubious claims of \"equity\" to help the utilities undermine solar and squash clean energy competition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Solar energy is at a crossroads in California, with big utility companies pushing to reduce solar incentives in the name of equity as solar installers and some ratepayers cry foul.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1646698412,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":5,"wordCount":96},"headData":{"title":"Everything Under the Sun ... | KQED","description":"Solar energy is at a crossroads in California, with big utility companies pushing to reduce solar incentives in the name of equity as solar installers and some ratepayers cry foul.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Everything Under the Sun ...","datePublished":"2022-03-08T00:02:25.000Z","dateModified":"2022-03-08T00:13:32.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11907381 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11907381","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/03/07/everything-under-the-sun/","disqusTitle":"Everything Under the Sun ...","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11907381/everything-under-the-sun","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final.png\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11907391\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final.png\" alt='Cartoon: an angry man holding a PG&E bill with fees like, \"wildfire liability fee and town-burning fee\" yells, \"these solar incentives are killing me!\" The caption reads, \"what no one said, ever (except PG&E)\"' width=\"1920\" height=\"1361\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final.png 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-800x567.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-1020x723.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-160x113.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-1536x1089.png 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>Solar energy is at a crossroads in California, with \u003ca href=\"https://bit.ly/fiorerooftopsolar\">big utility companies pushing to reduce solar incentives in the name of equity\u003c/a>, as solar installers and some ratepayers cry foul.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It makes sense that old-fashioned (\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11808166/pge-pleads-guilty-to-involuntary-manslaughter-in-deadly-camp-fire\">and, in some cases, criminal\u003c/a>) utilities like PG&E want large-scale solar arrays and see the state's booming rooftop solar industry as a threat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most maddening of all, industry-backed \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1978423/california-utilities-have-donated-1-67-million-to-grassroots-groups-fighting-rooftop-solar-power\">astroturf groups like Affordable Clean Energy for All\u003c/a> are using dubious claims of \"equity\" to help the utilities undermine solar and squash clean energy competition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11907381/everything-under-the-sun","authors":["3236"],"series":["news_18515"],"categories":["news_1758","news_19906","news_6266","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_1066","news_255","news_19179","news_328","news_20949","news_30755","news_140","news_4695"],"featImg":"news_11907391","label":"news_18515"},"news_11899195":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11899195","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11899195","score":null,"sort":[1639609835000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"what-is-more-equitable-than-the-sun","title":"What Is More Equitable Than the Sun?","publishDate":1639609835,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Mark Fiore: Drawn to the Bay | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":18515,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final.png\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11899229\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final.png\" alt=\"Cartoon: half the sun is shrouded with a tarp as a PG&E spokesman tells a woman "trust us, it'll help low-income people," as a CPUC character holds a ladder. Houses with solar are in the background.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1355\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final.png 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final-800x565.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final-1020x720.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final-160x113.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final-1536x1084.png 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a move welcomed by utilities like PG&E, \u003ca href=\"https://bit.ly/fiorecpucsolar\">California energy regulators proposed to dramatically cut incentives for residential solar\u003c/a>, claiming that it would make electricity rates more equitable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utilities' argument is that households with rooftop solar aren't paying their fair share due to \"net energy metering\" that credits homeowners for the electricity they put into the grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People without solar (including people who may have lower incomes or people of color) pay more on their monthly utility bill because they haven't put any electricity into the grid and don't have the advantage of net metering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So utilities and the California Public Utilities Commission want to slash the amount ratepayers with solar are credited and charge them much more every month for the privilege of being able to connect their solar panels to the grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Presto! Equity achieved!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unsurprisingly, the logic behind their reasoning makes about as much sense as \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11737604/4-5-billion-could-have-trimmed-a-lot-of-trees\">paying out dividends to your shareholders instead of maintaining your ancient, outdated transmission lines\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's an idea: How about we get more solar on the roofs of people with lower incomes rather than undermine incentives that are making California a residential solar success story?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Citing data from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article256325352.html\">The Sacramento Bee pointed out that nearly half of the households who installed solar in 2019 had incomes less than $100,000\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It turns out the rich-poor divide in solar is not nearly what the utilities are making it out to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not to mention, the impact of climate change falls more heavily on people with lower incomes and people of color.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let's keep the sun shining on solar energy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In a move welcomed by utilities like PG&E, California energy regulators proposed to dramatically cut incentives for residential solar, claiming that it would make electricity rates more equitable.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1639622273,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":14,"wordCount":281},"headData":{"title":"What Is More Equitable Than the Sun? | KQED","description":"In a move welcomed by utilities like PG&E, California energy regulators proposed to dramatically cut incentives for residential solar, claiming that it would make electricity rates more equitable.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"What Is More Equitable Than the Sun?","datePublished":"2021-12-15T23:10:35.000Z","dateModified":"2021-12-16T02:37:53.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11899195 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11899195","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2021/12/15/what-is-more-equitable-than-the-sun/","disqusTitle":"What Is More Equitable Than the Sun?","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11899195/what-is-more-equitable-than-the-sun","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final.png\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11899229\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final.png\" alt=\"Cartoon: half the sun is shrouded with a tarp as a PG&E spokesman tells a woman "trust us, it'll help low-income people," as a CPUC character holds a ladder. Houses with solar are in the background.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1355\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final.png 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final-800x565.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final-1020x720.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final-160x113.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/pgehelp_121521_final-1536x1084.png 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a move welcomed by utilities like PG&E, \u003ca href=\"https://bit.ly/fiorecpucsolar\">California energy regulators proposed to dramatically cut incentives for residential solar\u003c/a>, claiming that it would make electricity rates more equitable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utilities' argument is that households with rooftop solar aren't paying their fair share due to \"net energy metering\" that credits homeowners for the electricity they put into the grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People without solar (including people who may have lower incomes or people of color) pay more on their monthly utility bill because they haven't put any electricity into the grid and don't have the advantage of net metering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So utilities and the California Public Utilities Commission want to slash the amount ratepayers with solar are credited and charge them much more every month for the privilege of being able to connect their solar panels to the grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Presto! Equity achieved!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unsurprisingly, the logic behind their reasoning makes about as much sense as \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11737604/4-5-billion-could-have-trimmed-a-lot-of-trees\">paying out dividends to your shareholders instead of maintaining your ancient, outdated transmission lines\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's an idea: How about we get more solar on the roofs of people with lower incomes rather than undermine incentives that are making California a residential solar success story?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Citing data from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article256325352.html\">The Sacramento Bee pointed out that nearly half of the households who installed solar in 2019 had incomes less than $100,000\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It turns out the rich-poor divide in solar is not nearly what the utilities are making it out to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not to mention, the impact of climate change falls more heavily on people with lower incomes and people of color.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let's keep the sun shining on solar energy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11899195/what-is-more-equitable-than-the-sun","authors":["3236"],"series":["news_18515"],"categories":["news_19906","news_6266","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_1066","news_255","news_19179","news_328","news_28566","news_20949","news_140","news_1857","news_4695","news_394"],"featImg":"news_11899229","label":"news_18515"},"news_11898992":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11898992","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11898992","score":null,"sort":[1639518817000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"states-proposed-cut-to-rooftop-solar-incentives-also-aims-to-protect-lower-income-residents","title":"State's Proposed Cut to Rooftop Solar Incentives Purports to Protect Lower-Income Residents","publishDate":1639518817,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>California regulators proposed major changes to the state's booming residential solar industry Monday, including reducing the discounts homeowners with rooftop solar and storage systems get on their electric bills when they sell extra energy back to the power companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California's successful program to get more people to put solar panels on their homes has been at the center of a fierce debate between the state's major utilities and the solar industry, and the California Public Utilities Commission's proposed reforms have been highly anticipated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state's three major utilities — Pacific Gas & Electric, San Diego Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison — say the savings solar customers get now are so great that those customers no longer pay their fair share for the operation of the overall energy grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC's proposal would reduce the incentives for going solar and roughly double — to 10 years — how long it takes Californians to make back what they paid to install the systems. Buying rooftop solar panels and a system to store extra power costs about $40,000, according to the solar industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC said the reforms are designed to make the program, known as net energy metering, more cost-effective and to ensure energy grid operation costs are shared fairly. But the solar industry and its allies warned the changes will make it harder for the state to achieve its clean energy targets, including generating 100% of retail electricity from renewable or zero-carbon sources by 2045.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The proposal will move us backward on clean energy and block many Californians' ability to help make our grid more resilient to climate change,\" said Susannah Churchill, western senior regional director for Vote Solar, a political advocacy group that pushes for clean energy adoption.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California launched the program in 1995 with the goal of encouraging more homes to go solar. It worked: California now has 1.3 million solar systems on homes, far more than any other state, according to the solar industry. That number will only grow because since 2020, all newly constructed homes in California must have solar panels.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But as solar panels proliferated, and the cost of installing them went down, criticism of the program grew. The three major utilities say the current setup allows solar customers to sell their energy back into the grid for more than it's worth. They say more needs to be done to make sure solar customers — most of whom still rely on power from utilities once the sun goes down — are paying for all the parts of the energy grid they use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Power rates include many costs unrelated to energy generation, like transmission, distribution and even wildfire prevention work. When solar households pay significantly lower electricity bills — or no bills at all — they're contributing less to those things. That means more of the cost is shouldered by other customers, often households and renters without the financial means to install solar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Mohit Chhabra, senior scientist, Natural Resources Defense Council\"]'This decision's really trying to thread the needle between encouraging more rooftop solar adoption [and] focusing subsidies on lower-income customers while making sure that rate impacts are kept in check so that those who don't or can't have solar [don't] suffer.'[/pullquote]The utilities and the state peg that cost at $3 billion. The solar industry disputes that number, saying it doesn't take into effect the savings for everyone when the utilities need to build fewer power plants and transmission lines due to more residential solar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Today's net energy metering program disproportionately hurts lower-income Californians who don't own homes and who can't afford rooftop solar,\" said Kathy Fairbanks, spokesperson for Affordable Clean Energy for All, a coalition that represents the utilities. \"They're paying higher utility bills to cover solar system costs for primarily wealthier Californians.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But proponents of the program — including many environmental groups and solar companies — say that argument is baseless, and that utility companies are trying to preserve their profits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Just under half of all new solar is now going into working- and middle-class neighborhoods,\" said David Rosenfeld, who runs Solar Rights Alliance, a nonprofit that's one of 600 groups in the Save California Solar coalition. \"And we should be focused on accelerating that. But instead, the utilities' proposals would send us backwards.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mohit Chhabra, a senior scientist at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said the CPUC proposal wound up striking a balance that displeased both sides: the solar companies and the utilities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This decision’s really trying to thread the needle between encouraging more rooftop solar adoption [and] focusing subsidies on lower-income customers while making sure that rate impacts are kept in check so that those who don't or can't have solar [don't] suffer,\" said Chhabra. \"It's impossible to please everybody. This decision is about balance and I think it achieves a fair balance.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11899033\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11899033\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut.jpg\" alt=\"man lifts panel onto existing large rooftop solar panel\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1282\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut-1020x681.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut-1536x1026.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Andrew Hayes, an employee of Grid Alternatives, installs solar panels on a home in Vallejo on Feb. 13, 2018. \u003ccite>(Lauren Hanussak/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The CPUC's proposal would still allow residential solar customers to sell their excess energy back to the power companies, but at a significantly lower rate. Solar customers would also have to pay a grid charge based on how many kilowatts of energy they produce; it would cost $40 to $50 per month for most homes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The charges aren't as great as what the utilities wanted. PG&E spokesperson Ari Vanrenen called the proposal a \"step in the right direction to modernize California's outdated rooftop solar program.\" Still, she indicated the utility — the state's largest — would like to see regulators put higher charges on rooftop solar customers, but she declined to give specifics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Southern California Edison said the proposal would reduce the burden on nonsolar customers. San Diego Gas & Electric declined to comment, with spokesperson Anthony Wagner saying the utility needed more time to review the proposal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CPUC Commissioner Martha Guzman said the reforms are aimed at creating fairness while ensuring the financial benefits are still strong enough to encourage people to go solar. Regulators also proposed creating a $600 million fund to help lower-income households afford solar and storage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The changes would apply only to new solar customers, with the new charges being phased in over four years. People who already have panels on their homes wouldn't operate under the new system until they've had their panels for 15 years. If they take advantage of a roughly $3,200 subsidy to build storage systems, they would move onto the new rate structure right away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Residential rooftop solar reduces the demand on the electric grid up to 25% during the day, according to the CPUC. But California's peak household energy demand is from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m., when the state mostly relies on fossil fuels to power the energy grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC's proposal encourages people who already have solar panels to switch to storage by raising the power rates during those peak evening hours. And it would allow anyone with rooftop solar to install panels that provide up to 150% of the power they typically need. That would encourage people to switch to electrical appliances or buy electric cars they can charge at home, Guzman said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"How do we transform a program that's about distributed solar — capturing the sun — to a program that has to do with a period when the sun is down?\" Guzman said. \"That's what this reform is about.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the solar industry, including Bernadette Del Chiaro of the California Solar and Storage Association, which represents 700 businesses in the industry, pointed to the heart of the problem: Higher costs will discourage people from going solar in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC commissioners could change the proposal before voting on it early next year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story includes reporting by Kathleen Ronayne of The Associated Press and KQED's Laura Klivans.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Californians who install home solar panels would get lower discounts on their bills under a new CPUC proposal, which also purports to protect lower-income customers from shouldering an undue financial burden.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1639599498,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":28,"wordCount":1360},"headData":{"title":"State's Proposed Cut to Rooftop Solar Incentives Purports to Protect Lower-Income Residents | KQED","description":"Californians who install home solar panels would get lower discounts on their bills under a new CPUC proposal, which also purports to protect lower-income customers from shouldering an undue financial burden.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"State's Proposed Cut to Rooftop Solar Incentives Purports to Protect Lower-Income Residents","datePublished":"2021-12-14T21:53:37.000Z","dateModified":"2021-12-15T20:18:18.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11898992 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11898992","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2021/12/14/states-proposed-cut-to-rooftop-solar-incentives-also-aims-to-protect-lower-income-residents/","disqusTitle":"State's Proposed Cut to Rooftop Solar Incentives Purports to Protect Lower-Income Residents","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","path":"/news/11898992/states-proposed-cut-to-rooftop-solar-incentives-also-aims-to-protect-lower-income-residents","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>California regulators proposed major changes to the state's booming residential solar industry Monday, including reducing the discounts homeowners with rooftop solar and storage systems get on their electric bills when they sell extra energy back to the power companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California's successful program to get more people to put solar panels on their homes has been at the center of a fierce debate between the state's major utilities and the solar industry, and the California Public Utilities Commission's proposed reforms have been highly anticipated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state's three major utilities — Pacific Gas & Electric, San Diego Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison — say the savings solar customers get now are so great that those customers no longer pay their fair share for the operation of the overall energy grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC's proposal would reduce the incentives for going solar and roughly double — to 10 years — how long it takes Californians to make back what they paid to install the systems. Buying rooftop solar panels and a system to store extra power costs about $40,000, according to the solar industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC said the reforms are designed to make the program, known as net energy metering, more cost-effective and to ensure energy grid operation costs are shared fairly. But the solar industry and its allies warned the changes will make it harder for the state to achieve its clean energy targets, including generating 100% of retail electricity from renewable or zero-carbon sources by 2045.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The proposal will move us backward on clean energy and block many Californians' ability to help make our grid more resilient to climate change,\" said Susannah Churchill, western senior regional director for Vote Solar, a political advocacy group that pushes for clean energy adoption.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California launched the program in 1995 with the goal of encouraging more homes to go solar. It worked: California now has 1.3 million solar systems on homes, far more than any other state, according to the solar industry. That number will only grow because since 2020, all newly constructed homes in California must have solar panels.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But as solar panels proliferated, and the cost of installing them went down, criticism of the program grew. The three major utilities say the current setup allows solar customers to sell their energy back into the grid for more than it's worth. They say more needs to be done to make sure solar customers — most of whom still rely on power from utilities once the sun goes down — are paying for all the parts of the energy grid they use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Power rates include many costs unrelated to energy generation, like transmission, distribution and even wildfire prevention work. When solar households pay significantly lower electricity bills — or no bills at all — they're contributing less to those things. That means more of the cost is shouldered by other customers, often households and renters without the financial means to install solar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'This decision's really trying to thread the needle between encouraging more rooftop solar adoption [and] focusing subsidies on lower-income customers while making sure that rate impacts are kept in check so that those who don't or can't have solar [don't] suffer.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Mohit Chhabra, senior scientist, Natural Resources Defense Council","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The utilities and the state peg that cost at $3 billion. The solar industry disputes that number, saying it doesn't take into effect the savings for everyone when the utilities need to build fewer power plants and transmission lines due to more residential solar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Today's net energy metering program disproportionately hurts lower-income Californians who don't own homes and who can't afford rooftop solar,\" said Kathy Fairbanks, spokesperson for Affordable Clean Energy for All, a coalition that represents the utilities. \"They're paying higher utility bills to cover solar system costs for primarily wealthier Californians.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But proponents of the program — including many environmental groups and solar companies — say that argument is baseless, and that utility companies are trying to preserve their profits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Just under half of all new solar is now going into working- and middle-class neighborhoods,\" said David Rosenfeld, who runs Solar Rights Alliance, a nonprofit that's one of 600 groups in the Save California Solar coalition. \"And we should be focused on accelerating that. But instead, the utilities' proposals would send us backwards.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mohit Chhabra, a senior scientist at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said the CPUC proposal wound up striking a balance that displeased both sides: the solar companies and the utilities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This decision’s really trying to thread the needle between encouraging more rooftop solar adoption [and] focusing subsidies on lower-income customers while making sure that rate impacts are kept in check so that those who don't or can't have solar [don't] suffer,\" said Chhabra. \"It's impossible to please everybody. This decision is about balance and I think it achieves a fair balance.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11899033\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11899033\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut.jpg\" alt=\"man lifts panel onto existing large rooftop solar panel\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1282\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut-1020x681.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS29464_SOLAR_021318_429-qut-1536x1026.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Andrew Hayes, an employee of Grid Alternatives, installs solar panels on a home in Vallejo on Feb. 13, 2018. \u003ccite>(Lauren Hanussak/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The CPUC's proposal would still allow residential solar customers to sell their excess energy back to the power companies, but at a significantly lower rate. Solar customers would also have to pay a grid charge based on how many kilowatts of energy they produce; it would cost $40 to $50 per month for most homes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The charges aren't as great as what the utilities wanted. PG&E spokesperson Ari Vanrenen called the proposal a \"step in the right direction to modernize California's outdated rooftop solar program.\" Still, she indicated the utility — the state's largest — would like to see regulators put higher charges on rooftop solar customers, but she declined to give specifics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Southern California Edison said the proposal would reduce the burden on nonsolar customers. San Diego Gas & Electric declined to comment, with spokesperson Anthony Wagner saying the utility needed more time to review the proposal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CPUC Commissioner Martha Guzman said the reforms are aimed at creating fairness while ensuring the financial benefits are still strong enough to encourage people to go solar. Regulators also proposed creating a $600 million fund to help lower-income households afford solar and storage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The changes would apply only to new solar customers, with the new charges being phased in over four years. People who already have panels on their homes wouldn't operate under the new system until they've had their panels for 15 years. If they take advantage of a roughly $3,200 subsidy to build storage systems, they would move onto the new rate structure right away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Residential rooftop solar reduces the demand on the electric grid up to 25% during the day, according to the CPUC. But California's peak household energy demand is from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m., when the state mostly relies on fossil fuels to power the energy grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC's proposal encourages people who already have solar panels to switch to storage by raising the power rates during those peak evening hours. And it would allow anyone with rooftop solar to install panels that provide up to 150% of the power they typically need. That would encourage people to switch to electrical appliances or buy electric cars they can charge at home, Guzman said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"How do we transform a program that's about distributed solar — capturing the sun — to a program that has to do with a period when the sun is down?\" Guzman said. \"That's what this reform is about.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the solar industry, including Bernadette Del Chiaro of the California Solar and Storage Association, which represents 700 businesses in the industry, pointed to the heart of the problem: Higher costs will discourage people from going solar in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC commissioners could change the proposal before voting on it early next year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story includes reporting by Kathleen Ronayne of The Associated Press and KQED's Laura Klivans.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11898992/states-proposed-cut-to-rooftop-solar-incentives-also-aims-to-protect-lower-income-residents","authors":["237"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8","news_356"],"tags":["news_18538","news_19179","news_1857","news_4695","news_394"],"featImg":"news_11899029","label":"news"},"news_11890329":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11890329","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11890329","score":null,"sort":[1632873990000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"top-utility-regulator-tasked-with-overseeing-pge-resigns","title":"Top Utility Regulator Tasked With Overseeing PG&E Resigns","publishDate":1632873990,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>California's top utility regulator announced Tuesday she'll step down at the end of the year, leaving Gov. Gavin Newsom searching for new leadership as the state continues to grapple with devastating wildfires and the threat of power blackouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marybel Batjer announced her resignation in an email to staff at the California Public Utilities Commission. Newsom, a Democrat, appointed her to the job in 2019 as PG&E was in bankruptcy proceedings, and her term was set to run through the end of 2026.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She did not provide a reason for her early departure, saying in her message that it was a difficult decision “in the face of a changing climate and global pandemic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC is one of the most important regulatory bodies in the state, particularly as California deals with devastating wildfires sparked by utility equipment and the increasing use of intentional power shutoffs to prevent equipment from sparking further fires. Beyond electric utilities, the commission oversees telecommunications, water, rail and transportation companies such as Uber and Lyft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pacific Gas & Electric, the state's largest investor-owned utility, filed for bankruptcy in 2019, and much of Batjer's tenure has focused on stepping up oversight of the troubled utility. The company \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11808166/pge-pleads-guilty-to-involuntary-manslaughter-in-deadly-camp-fire\">pleaded guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter\u003c/a> related to the 2018 Camp Fire that wiped out most of the town of Paradise and was sparked by its equipment. It also faces numerous criminal charges for fires caused by its fraying equipment, including \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11889925/pge-charged-with-manslaughter-in-california-wildfire-last-year-that-killed-4\">four charges of manslaughter charged last week\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC approved a plan in 2020 for the utility to exit bankruptcy that included greater oversight. In April, the commission said the company was falling short on vegetation management and required it to begin submitting corrective action reports every 90 days. PG&E has filed paperwork indicating its equipment may be responsible for the massive Dixie Fire, which sparked this summer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utility also remains under the supervision of a federal judge who is overseeing PG&E’s criminal probation for a felony conviction after the utility’s gas lines blew up part of a suburban neighborhood in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2010.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC has faced criticism for being too lax with the utilities it regulates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Center for Biological Diversity criticized Batjer on Tuesday for failing to hold utilities accountable and not doing enough to help the state transition to renewable energy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Batjer’s departure is an opportunity to appoint a utility regulator who will actually hold PG&E and other utilities accountable for their dirty energy choices and grid failures,” Jean Su, director of the center's Energy Justice Program, said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Batjer is one of five commissioners. She was previously head of the Government Operations Agency under Newsom and former Gov. Jerry Brown. Newsom also tasked her with modernizing the Department of Motor Vehicles as it faced long lines and errors in the state's automatic voter registration system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She was previously a cabinet secretary to then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and undersecretary of the former California Business, Transportation and Housing Agency. She also worked in the Nevada state government and for Caesars Entertainment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom will appoint a new commission president who must be confirmed by the state Legislature. His office said he will decide on a replacement by the end of the year.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Marybel Batjer announced her resignation in an email to staff at the California Public Utilities Commission. The CPUC is one of the most important regulatory bodies in the state, particularly as California deals with devastating wildfires sparked by utility equipment and the increasing use of intentional power shutoffs to prevent equipment from sparking further fires.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1632877258,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":15,"wordCount":569},"headData":{"title":"Top Utility Regulator Tasked With Overseeing PG&E Resigns | KQED","description":"Marybel Batjer announced her resignation in an email to staff at the California Public Utilities Commission. 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Gavin Newsom searching for new leadership as the state continues to grapple with devastating wildfires and the threat of power blackouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marybel Batjer announced her resignation in an email to staff at the California Public Utilities Commission. Newsom, a Democrat, appointed her to the job in 2019 as PG&E was in bankruptcy proceedings, and her term was set to run through the end of 2026.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She did not provide a reason for her early departure, saying in her message that it was a difficult decision “in the face of a changing climate and global pandemic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC is one of the most important regulatory bodies in the state, particularly as California deals with devastating wildfires sparked by utility equipment and the increasing use of intentional power shutoffs to prevent equipment from sparking further fires. Beyond electric utilities, the commission oversees telecommunications, water, rail and transportation companies such as Uber and Lyft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pacific Gas & Electric, the state's largest investor-owned utility, filed for bankruptcy in 2019, and much of Batjer's tenure has focused on stepping up oversight of the troubled utility. The company \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11808166/pge-pleads-guilty-to-involuntary-manslaughter-in-deadly-camp-fire\">pleaded guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter\u003c/a> related to the 2018 Camp Fire that wiped out most of the town of Paradise and was sparked by its equipment. It also faces numerous criminal charges for fires caused by its fraying equipment, including \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11889925/pge-charged-with-manslaughter-in-california-wildfire-last-year-that-killed-4\">four charges of manslaughter charged last week\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC approved a plan in 2020 for the utility to exit bankruptcy that included greater oversight. In April, the commission said the company was falling short on vegetation management and required it to begin submitting corrective action reports every 90 days. PG&E has filed paperwork indicating its equipment may be responsible for the massive Dixie Fire, which sparked this summer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utility also remains under the supervision of a federal judge who is overseeing PG&E’s criminal probation for a felony conviction after the utility’s gas lines blew up part of a suburban neighborhood in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2010.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC has faced criticism for being too lax with the utilities it regulates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Center for Biological Diversity criticized Batjer on Tuesday for failing to hold utilities accountable and not doing enough to help the state transition to renewable energy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Batjer’s departure is an opportunity to appoint a utility regulator who will actually hold PG&E and other utilities accountable for their dirty energy choices and grid failures,” Jean Su, director of the center's Energy Justice Program, said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Batjer is one of five commissioners. She was previously head of the Government Operations Agency under Newsom and former Gov. Jerry Brown. Newsom also tasked her with modernizing the Department of Motor Vehicles as it faced long lines and errors in the state's automatic voter registration system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She was previously a cabinet secretary to then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and undersecretary of the former California Business, Transportation and Housing Agency. She also worked in the Nevada state government and for Caesars Entertainment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom will appoint a new commission president who must be confirmed by the state Legislature. His office said he will decide on a replacement by the end of the year.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11890329/top-utility-regulator-tasked-with-overseeing-pge-resigns","authors":["byline_news_11890329"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_1066","news_19179","news_28355","news_140"],"featImg":"news_11781226","label":"news"},"news_11878348":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11878348","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11878348","score":null,"sort":[1623962849000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"during-rolling-blackouts-last-summer-california-kept-exporting-power-out-of-state-theres-still-no-permanent-fix","title":"During Rolling Blackouts Last Summer, California Kept Exporting Power Out of State. There's Still No Permanent Fix","publishDate":1623962849,"format":"audio","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>When hundreds of thousands of Californians lost power during a heat wave over two evenings last August, California was also — unbeknownst to most ratepayers — exporting thousands of megawatts of power to neighboring states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those rolling blackouts, the first in two decades, have been \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11842647/what-caused-augusts-rolling-blackouts-experts-say-its-still-not-totally-clear\">largely blamed\u003c/a> on factors like climate change-induced heat waves and the state's large-scale transition to renewable energy generation. And while the California Independent System Operator — which manages 80% of the state’s grid — has acknowledged it also allowed power exports at the time, the state has yet to come up with a permanent fix to the problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The rotating outages didn’t last long, cutting the lights for only a small fraction of the state’s 40 million residents. Just under half a million homes and businesses went dark for as long as 2½ hours on Aug. 14, with another 321,000 utility customers losing power for up to 90 minutes the following evening. While relatively minor compared to last year's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11836990/pge-shutoffs-are-here-again-what-to-know-about-power-outages-today\">massive electricity shutoffs\u003c/a> aimed at preventing power lines from sparking wildfires, the mishap exposed a host of statewide grid issues and poor planning, a cautionary tale as California heads into what promises to be another hot, dry summer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California's first readiness test has already come this week, with a \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Weather_West/status/1404531752823975938?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet\">major heat wave\u003c/a> that continues to hit much of the state. Those conditions have prompted California ISO to issue its first \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11878332\">Flex Alert\u003c/a> of the year — urging people to conserve energy between 5 p.m. and 10 p.m. on Thursday to prevent a repeat of the 2020 blackouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Earlier this year, the California Public Utilities Commission directed the state’s utility companies to line up more power supplies, including from natural gas plants. Energy storage and conservation efforts have also gotten a boost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These efforts came after California ISO, the CPUC and the California Energy Commission also laid partial blame for last summer’s blackouts on scheduling coordinators — the liaisons between power plants and California ISO — whom they said failed to secure enough power resources ahead of what ended up being two of the hottest days of the year, according to a “\u003ca href=\"http://www.caiso.com/Documents/Preliminary-Root-Cause-Analysis-Rotating-Outages-August-2020.pdf\">root-cause analysis\u003c/a>” demanded last year by Gov. Gavin Newsom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"power-grid\"]At the same time, a software problem signaled that California had excess power that it could comfortably export to other states. As it turned out, though, power demand in California exceeded what was actually available. The report cited “convergence bidding,” a financial tool that energy traders use to bet on what the state’s power needs will be for the following day. Although intended to help keep electricity prices stable, the mechanism instead “masked tight supply conditions” during the August heat wave, the analysis concluded. California ISO \u003ca href=\"https://energycentral.com/news/trying-avoid-repeat-last-summers-blackouts\">later said\u003c/a> it had fixed the software flaw.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Western states routinely exchange power. To keep up with its massive energy needs in real time, California \u003ca href=\"https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46156\">imports\u003c/a> more power from its neighbors — mainly Nevada and Arizona — than any other state. It also returns the favor, exporting excess power when neighbors need it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But last summer’s rolling blackouts accelerated debate over California's role in moving power across state lines when demand spikes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The fact that they prioritized exports at the expense of [California’s] load is mind-boggling,” said Rick Humphreys, a retired engineer and power reliability expert. “Where's the dividing line between being nice to your neighbors and being overly nice to your neighbors at the expense of California customers?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even after months of meetings, stakeholder calls and workshops aimed at ensuring the state’s grid operators and regulators are prepared for this summer, the debate is expected to continue well into next year. For now, California ISO has proposed temporary changes to market rules that aim to prioritize California’s needs, including some restrictions on trades that use California's grid as a pathway to transport power from one state to another — known as “wheel-through transactions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It is critical the CAISO have reasonable measures in place to address this situation more effectively,\" the grid operator wrote in a \u003ca href=\"http://www.caiso.com/Documents/Apr28-2021-Tariff-Amendment-Load-Exports-and-Wheeling-Tariff-Amendment-ER21-1790.pdf\">proposal \u003c/a>it has asked the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to approve by the end of this month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Going into this summer, California ISO and the CPUC’s Energy Division have at times clashed over the specifics of the updated rules. While the CPUC has been generally supportive of the proposed changes, it has also questioned whether they go far enough, specifically raising concerns that they will still prioritize wheel-through transactions over the state’s needs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If allowed to continue, [this] will seriously jeopardize reliability in the state and undermine the resource adequacy and transmission planning processes,” CPUC regulatory analyst Michele Kito wrote in \u003ca href=\"https://stakeholdercenter.caiso.com/Comments/AllComments/2baf326f-dddd-485d-b374-4a2695c1dce5\">recent comments\u003c/a> on California ISO’s market reform proposal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conditions in the run-up to last summer’s rolling blackouts — when California ISO allowed exports of more than 4,000 megawatts of electricity (enough to power approximately 3 million \u003ca href=\"http://www.caiso.com/about/Pages/OurBusiness/Understanding-electricity.aspx#:~:text=Megawatt,of%20day%20and%20other%20factors.\">homes\u003c/a>) — serve as an example of what happens when exports and wheel-through trades are given priority during tight conditions, Kito wrote. “A durable solution will need to be developed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California ISO has expressed confidence that its changes will help California through this summer, despite reduced hydropower capacity due to drought conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are members of a vastly interwoven western electricity market, both importing and exporting energy. Our transmission system is built to accomplish that,” California ISO President and CEO Elliot Mainzer said on a media call Wednesday afternoon. But he also signaled that the status quo may be changing. “We are really moving into a mode where what we used to consider one-in-30-year events are becoming truly a new normal, which will force some level of rethinking of what that dependency could look like.”[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Loretta Lynch, former California Public Utilities Commission president\"]'My biggest concern here is if California doesn't get this right, not only does this cost us money, it hurts real people.'[/pullquote]More adjustments are on the horizon, according to Ben Hobbs, chair of California ISO’s Market Surveillance Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We've never been as clear as we should have been about who has rights to use California's grid,” Hobbs said, adding that California’s dependence on imports means it must play nice with other states. “If we just said to Arizona that they can't use our grid for wheel-through power anymore, that would really upset how things have gone for decades. You can bet Arizona is going to be really ticked off.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hobbs said California consumers must be willing to pay higher prices to secure power when competition with other states tightens during a crunch. He likens the state-to-state competition for energy to a game of musical chairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If prices here are $100 or $150 [per megawatt-hour], whereas Arizona is willing to pay $2,000 at a time that we're curtailing load, we're not going to get our fanny in the chair when the music stops. That's a particular thing that needs to be fixed,” Hobbs said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others have blasted the idea of allowing higher prices, especially with so many lingering questions about last year’s rolling blackouts, including what they ultimately cost ratepayers — a price tag that California ISO says it has no plans to tally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why would California want to expose itself to a game of musical chairs when it comes to safety and our economy?” said Loretta Lynch, who was president of the CPUC during California’s 2000-2001 energy crisis. “We should require the CPUC and California ISO to use their regulatory and enforcement authority to lock in clean electricity at reasonable prices.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lynch has called on California’s attorney general to investigate California ISO’s role in last year’s rolling blackouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My biggest concern here is if California doesn't get this right, not only does this cost us money, it hurts real people,” Lynch said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Joanna Gardias and Dominic Moscatello are UC Berkeley undergraduate students. They contributed to this story after completing a course on energy regulation at the Goldman School of Public Policy taught by Steve Weissman.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Last year's rolling blackouts exposed a host of statewide grid issues and poor planning, a cautionary tale as California heads into what promises to be another hot, dry summer.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1623971138,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":1442},"headData":{"title":"During Rolling Blackouts Last Summer, California Kept Exporting Power Out of State. There's Still No Permanent Fix | KQED","description":"Last year's rolling blackouts exposed a host of statewide grid issues and poor planning, a cautionary tale as California heads into what promises to be another hot, dry summer.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"During Rolling Blackouts Last Summer, California Kept Exporting Power Out of State. 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There's Still No Permanent Fix","audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/e9b08ced-92c1-473f-a8d4-ad400104ba80/audio.mp3","nprByline":"Lily Jamali, Joanna Gardias and Dominic Moscatello","path":"/news/11878348/during-rolling-blackouts-last-summer-california-kept-exporting-power-out-of-state-theres-still-no-permanent-fix","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>When hundreds of thousands of Californians lost power during a heat wave over two evenings last August, California was also — unbeknownst to most ratepayers — exporting thousands of megawatts of power to neighboring states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those rolling blackouts, the first in two decades, have been \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11842647/what-caused-augusts-rolling-blackouts-experts-say-its-still-not-totally-clear\">largely blamed\u003c/a> on factors like climate change-induced heat waves and the state's large-scale transition to renewable energy generation. And while the California Independent System Operator — which manages 80% of the state’s grid — has acknowledged it also allowed power exports at the time, the state has yet to come up with a permanent fix to the problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The rotating outages didn’t last long, cutting the lights for only a small fraction of the state’s 40 million residents. Just under half a million homes and businesses went dark for as long as 2½ hours on Aug. 14, with another 321,000 utility customers losing power for up to 90 minutes the following evening. While relatively minor compared to last year's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11836990/pge-shutoffs-are-here-again-what-to-know-about-power-outages-today\">massive electricity shutoffs\u003c/a> aimed at preventing power lines from sparking wildfires, the mishap exposed a host of statewide grid issues and poor planning, a cautionary tale as California heads into what promises to be another hot, dry summer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California's first readiness test has already come this week, with a \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Weather_West/status/1404531752823975938?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet\">major heat wave\u003c/a> that continues to hit much of the state. Those conditions have prompted California ISO to issue its first \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11878332\">Flex Alert\u003c/a> of the year — urging people to conserve energy between 5 p.m. and 10 p.m. on Thursday to prevent a repeat of the 2020 blackouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Earlier this year, the California Public Utilities Commission directed the state’s utility companies to line up more power supplies, including from natural gas plants. Energy storage and conservation efforts have also gotten a boost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These efforts came after California ISO, the CPUC and the California Energy Commission also laid partial blame for last summer’s blackouts on scheduling coordinators — the liaisons between power plants and California ISO — whom they said failed to secure enough power resources ahead of what ended up being two of the hottest days of the year, according to a “\u003ca href=\"http://www.caiso.com/Documents/Preliminary-Root-Cause-Analysis-Rotating-Outages-August-2020.pdf\">root-cause analysis\u003c/a>” demanded last year by Gov. Gavin Newsom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"power-grid"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>At the same time, a software problem signaled that California had excess power that it could comfortably export to other states. As it turned out, though, power demand in California exceeded what was actually available. The report cited “convergence bidding,” a financial tool that energy traders use to bet on what the state’s power needs will be for the following day. Although intended to help keep electricity prices stable, the mechanism instead “masked tight supply conditions” during the August heat wave, the analysis concluded. California ISO \u003ca href=\"https://energycentral.com/news/trying-avoid-repeat-last-summers-blackouts\">later said\u003c/a> it had fixed the software flaw.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Western states routinely exchange power. To keep up with its massive energy needs in real time, California \u003ca href=\"https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46156\">imports\u003c/a> more power from its neighbors — mainly Nevada and Arizona — than any other state. It also returns the favor, exporting excess power when neighbors need it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But last summer’s rolling blackouts accelerated debate over California's role in moving power across state lines when demand spikes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The fact that they prioritized exports at the expense of [California’s] load is mind-boggling,” said Rick Humphreys, a retired engineer and power reliability expert. “Where's the dividing line between being nice to your neighbors and being overly nice to your neighbors at the expense of California customers?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even after months of meetings, stakeholder calls and workshops aimed at ensuring the state’s grid operators and regulators are prepared for this summer, the debate is expected to continue well into next year. For now, California ISO has proposed temporary changes to market rules that aim to prioritize California’s needs, including some restrictions on trades that use California's grid as a pathway to transport power from one state to another — known as “wheel-through transactions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It is critical the CAISO have reasonable measures in place to address this situation more effectively,\" the grid operator wrote in a \u003ca href=\"http://www.caiso.com/Documents/Apr28-2021-Tariff-Amendment-Load-Exports-and-Wheeling-Tariff-Amendment-ER21-1790.pdf\">proposal \u003c/a>it has asked the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to approve by the end of this month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Going into this summer, California ISO and the CPUC’s Energy Division have at times clashed over the specifics of the updated rules. While the CPUC has been generally supportive of the proposed changes, it has also questioned whether they go far enough, specifically raising concerns that they will still prioritize wheel-through transactions over the state’s needs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If allowed to continue, [this] will seriously jeopardize reliability in the state and undermine the resource adequacy and transmission planning processes,” CPUC regulatory analyst Michele Kito wrote in \u003ca href=\"https://stakeholdercenter.caiso.com/Comments/AllComments/2baf326f-dddd-485d-b374-4a2695c1dce5\">recent comments\u003c/a> on California ISO’s market reform proposal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conditions in the run-up to last summer’s rolling blackouts — when California ISO allowed exports of more than 4,000 megawatts of electricity (enough to power approximately 3 million \u003ca href=\"http://www.caiso.com/about/Pages/OurBusiness/Understanding-electricity.aspx#:~:text=Megawatt,of%20day%20and%20other%20factors.\">homes\u003c/a>) — serve as an example of what happens when exports and wheel-through trades are given priority during tight conditions, Kito wrote. “A durable solution will need to be developed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California ISO has expressed confidence that its changes will help California through this summer, despite reduced hydropower capacity due to drought conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are members of a vastly interwoven western electricity market, both importing and exporting energy. Our transmission system is built to accomplish that,” California ISO President and CEO Elliot Mainzer said on a media call Wednesday afternoon. But he also signaled that the status quo may be changing. “We are really moving into a mode where what we used to consider one-in-30-year events are becoming truly a new normal, which will force some level of rethinking of what that dependency could look like.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'My biggest concern here is if California doesn't get this right, not only does this cost us money, it hurts real people.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Loretta Lynch, former California Public Utilities Commission president","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>More adjustments are on the horizon, according to Ben Hobbs, chair of California ISO’s Market Surveillance Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We've never been as clear as we should have been about who has rights to use California's grid,” Hobbs said, adding that California’s dependence on imports means it must play nice with other states. “If we just said to Arizona that they can't use our grid for wheel-through power anymore, that would really upset how things have gone for decades. You can bet Arizona is going to be really ticked off.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hobbs said California consumers must be willing to pay higher prices to secure power when competition with other states tightens during a crunch. He likens the state-to-state competition for energy to a game of musical chairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If prices here are $100 or $150 [per megawatt-hour], whereas Arizona is willing to pay $2,000 at a time that we're curtailing load, we're not going to get our fanny in the chair when the music stops. That's a particular thing that needs to be fixed,” Hobbs said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others have blasted the idea of allowing higher prices, especially with so many lingering questions about last year’s rolling blackouts, including what they ultimately cost ratepayers — a price tag that California ISO says it has no plans to tally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why would California want to expose itself to a game of musical chairs when it comes to safety and our economy?” said Loretta Lynch, who was president of the CPUC during California’s 2000-2001 energy crisis. “We should require the CPUC and California ISO to use their regulatory and enforcement authority to lock in clean electricity at reasonable prices.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lynch has called on California’s attorney general to investigate California ISO’s role in last year’s rolling blackouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My biggest concern here is if California doesn't get this right, not only does this cost us money, it hurts real people,” Lynch said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Joanna Gardias and Dominic Moscatello are UC Berkeley undergraduate students. They contributed to this story after completing a course on energy regulation at the Goldman School of Public Policy taught by Steve Weissman.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11878348/during-rolling-blackouts-last-summer-california-kept-exporting-power-out-of-state-theres-still-no-permanent-fix","authors":["byline_news_11878348"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_28410","news_19179","news_18578","news_21164","news_28414","news_28700"],"featImg":"news_11878420","label":"news_72"},"news_11876977":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11876977","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11876977","score":null,"sort":[1623283363000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"lyfts-got-to-look-into-its-soul-judge-weighs-requiring-lyft-to-provide-wheelchair-users-equal-service","title":"'Lyft's Got to Look Into Its Own Soul': Judge Weighs Requiring Lyft to Provide Wheelchair Users Equal Service","publishDate":1623283363,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>A trial to determine if Lyft violates the Americans With Disabilities Act concluded in San Francisco on Tuesday. A pending decision by Judge William Alsup may soon determine if the ride-hail company will be compelled to provide service for those who use powered wheelchairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Berkeley and New York-based Disability Rights Advocates group filed the class-action \u003ca href=\"https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5776959/Disability-Rights-Lawsuit-versus-Lyft.pdf\">complaint\u003c/a> in US Northern District Court \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11734339/lawsuit-seeks-to-force-lyft-to-provide-full-equal-service-to-the-disabled\">against Lyft in 2019\u003c/a>, alleging it ran afoul of the ADA by failing to ensure service for those who require special wheelchair accessible vehicles (WAVs) to get around.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The suit didn't aim to pinch Lyft's purse — instead, disability community advocates wished to push the ride-hail giant to provide wheelchair-accessible service in the Bay Area that's \"full and equal\" to the service it provides the rest of the public.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In court, Alsup said his decision would likely not come later than August.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Wheelchair Users Left in Limbo\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Powered wheelchairs are preferred in the disability community for the independence they allow, but vehicles able to fit them properly can cost tens of thousands of dollars to retrofit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Bay Area's traditional taxi industry used to have a robust number of drivers \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/luxor-cabs-financial-strain-jeopardizes-crucial-wheelchair-taxi-trips/\">behind a fleet equipped with wheelchair-accessible vans\u003c/a>. But as Lyft and competitor Uber, which \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnet.com/news/uber-discriminates-against-people-in-wheelchairs-lawsuit-says/\">faced a similar lawsuit in 2018\u003c/a>, rose to prominence over the last decade, taxi drivers fled the industry by the hundreds. Those wheelchair rides vanished with them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Dorene Giacopini, lawsuit plaintiff and member of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission\"]'[There's an] exhaustion that I think our community feels ... And the frustration that after having worked so hard and won such great success with the ADA, that these companies have come along and caused us to lose some of the independence we had gained.'[/pullquote]And since ride-hail companies contend they are merely app services which connect drivers with riders, instead of owning fleets of vehicles themselves, Lyft's attorneys argued in court that providing a wheelchair service would be an entirely new business altogether — and that it's therefore outside the bounds of what the ADA mandates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Without that service, however, wheelchair users are left in limbo, said Dorene Giacopini, one of the suit's plaintiffs. Giacopini also sits on the Bay Area Metropolitan Transportation Commission, and is president of the board of Community Resources for Independent Living in Hayward. She uses a powered wheelchair for her mobility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When talking about Lyft's lack of wheelchair accessibility, and the ride-hailing industry's decimation of similar services from taxis, Giacopini likened the situation to what she called the \"bad old days\" when people with disabilities were confined to their bedrooms by their families. Often they were trapped there for life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I remember being a kid and people talking about shut-ins, people who are just stuck in their houses\" due to a family's shame about their disability. Lyft's indifference to the effect their company's growth had on people with disabilities hearkened back to those times, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Giacopini's own parents fought against her grandparents, who said \"don't talk about her disability, keep her home.\" Lyft's practices are contributing to making some people with disabilities become shut-ins again, Giacopini told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said there's an \"exhaustion that I think our community feels with having to deal with the inaccessible environment ... And the frustration that after having worked so hard and won such great success with the Americans with Disabilities Act, that these companies have come along and caused us to lose some of the independence we had gained.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'Lyft Simply Refuses to Try'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Lyft defended its early wheelchair accessibility pilot in the Bay Area, which it has attempted in fits and starts since 2019. The program started with just five vehicles for the nine-county region, but a planned partnership with rental car company Hertz was to scale up its fleet to 65 vehicles, which would be owned by Hertz. That pilot project never got off the ground, as Hertz declared bankruptcy in May 2020. After that, Lyft reduced its number of WAVs to just two.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Lyft’s goal is to provide access to WAV service in a reliable and sustainable way, and this trial has highlighted how incredibly challenging it is to facilitate WAV service on-demand,\" a Lyft spokesperson wrote in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the trial, attorneys for disability community advocates argued Lyft already had WAV programs running in 10 different markets, including New York and Oregon, and could replicate that service in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They also pointed out Lyft got roughly $2 million from its state regulators – the California Public Utilities Commission – to help get its WAV pilot project. They argued that Lyft itself determined it could potentially cover 80% of the demand for wheelchair service with a fleet of 65 vehicles, though Lyft witnesses later countered that claim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Advocates' attorney Stuart Seaborn argued Lyft scrapped its large-scale plan to provide wheelchair-accessible service at the start of the pandemic before it even had a chance to fail. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The evidence has shown Lyft, a company that revolutionized the way people travel in this country, is fully capable of implementing wheelchair-accessible service in the Bay Area,\" Seaborn said in the case's closing arguments. \"The evidence shows Lyft simply refuses to try.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label='Disability Community Coverage' tag='disability-community']Attorneys want to give Lyft a year to get a program for the disability community off the ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Judge Alsup spelled some doubt for the disability community advocates, indicating they weren't asking for a specific enough change to Lyft's service, like a direct modification to the design of a vehicle, to meet ADA requirements. Instead, Alsup said, they were asking the court to order Lyft to begin a process to discover what business modifications are needed to run a wheelchair service in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Lyft implements these programs all over the country,\" Seaborn countered. \"The fact of the matter is, they do provide those services.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alsup also took aim at advocates' arguments that Lyft could still feasibly implement the 65 wheelchair-accessible vehicle program in the Bay Area without Hertz.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You make it sound so easy. I think Lyft should just hire you, stick you in charge, and then you be responsible for making it cost-effective,\" Alsup told Seaborn, the advocates' attorney. \"It's a problem for me as a judge to wonder where that 65 [vehicles] will come from.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Attorneys for the advocates then pointed out that despite Hertz's bankruptcy, Lyft failed to reach out to other car companies to form partnerships to supply wheelchair-accessible vehicles, including Enterprise, or MobilityWorks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the trial, Lyft argued that although they have wheelchair-accessible vehicles in other cities, they are only provided because cities or states have regulations that mandated them. Those wheelchair programs don't make money or break even, they argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are trying to solve this problem long term for our business overall,\" Joyce Chan, vice president of product operations at Lyft testified.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'You're Just Donating That Money to the State Treasury?'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Some California lawmakers have tried to help Lyft help itself, by creating a program that charges Lyft a 10-cent-per-ride fee that is deposited in a fund expressly for wheelchair operations. That program, compelled by Senate Bill 1376, authored by Sen. Jerry Hill, D-San Mateo, was signed into law by former Gov. Jerry Brown in late 2018.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the program made $1.8 million available to Lyft since 2019, Chan argued it needed at least $2 million annually to run a wheelchair-accessible program locally. The funding also fluctuates so often that they cannot effectively calculate the amount into their annual budget, Chan argued, another complicating factor for utilizing it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Lyft pays the fee and it goes to the CPUC, largely unused, Chan said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Judge Alsup was skeptical of that practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You're just donating that money to the State Treasury without trying to put a program in place?\" he asked Chan, to which she replied, \"Yes, sir.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC is also in the process of ruling on wheelchair accessibility regulations for Lyft and Uber, but witnesses said the CPUC may not finish deliberating on those rules until 2025. Alsup said that CPUC proceeding may have impacted his ruling, but only if it were closer to fruition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A lot of people who need these wheelchair vehicles are going to be dead by 2025,\" Alsup told attorneys.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"US District Court Judge William Alsup\"]'The people you're leaving out are these disabled people, who want to go out and have a drink every now and then too, but Lyft will not serve them ... And you ought to think about how that looks, while all those cool people are going out and having their drinks and you're cashing in on that business model.'[/pullquote]Data scientists and technical experts also testified for Lyft, arguing that the disability community was so small that the company could not generate enough data to effectively serve them. The only way to do so would be for Lyft to manually dispatch drivers, almost like a taxi service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alsup was skeptical of that claim, as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"But you know, your entire company started with zero data points,\" he told one witness. \"You're making it sound like you're mentally paralyzed and can't make a decision unless you've got a million data points.\" So, Alsup said, \"You're exaggerating.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In her closing arguments Tuesday, Jiyun Lee, an attorney for Lyft, asked the judge, \"who should bear the financial burden\" of learning and experimentation to create an on-demand service for wheelchair users that has \"never been done before?\" Private entities shouldn't bear the burden of modifying vehicles to be wheelchair accessible, which can cost more than $20,000 per vehicle, Lee said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, Lee argued, the ADA says people with disabilities can ask for \"reasonable\" modification to make services accessible, but what disability community advocates are asking for is too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That burden surpasses what the ADA calls for, with \"reasonable\" accommodations, Lee said. In fact, she said, \"that's just outright establishing a new transportation service.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Seaborn shot back that Lyft already runs wheelchair-accessible programs throughout the country, and therefore \"cannot argue that something it is already doing would fundamentally alter its business, though doing so may be cost-prohibitive in our region.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the outcome of the trial may not be known until August, Alsup had harsh words for the ride-hail company on the case writ large.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Your business model is based on the cool people in their 20s and 30s who like to go to bars and spend money and get a ride home, the people who are fully able to walk around, and people in this part of the world who have lots of money to spend,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"So you're cashing in on that model. And the people you're leaving out are these disabled people, who want to go out and have a drink every now and then too, but Lyft will not serve them. Lyft just will not serve them ... And you ought to think about how that looks, while all those cool people are going out and having their drinks and you're cashing in on that business model.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A Lyft attorney tried to interrupt him at this point, but Alsup continued, \"I think Lyft's got to look into its own soul to see what's best and what looks best. This is just me talking as a citizen. As a judge, I'm going to rule according to the law, and the plaintiffs may lose on account of this, because the law is not as favorable to the plaintiffs as they seem to think.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, Alsup said, \"I'm telling you how it looks.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A 2019 class-action lawsuit alleges Lyft violates the ADA by failing to provide service for those who require special wheelchair accessible vehicles. A trial in the case ended Tuesday in San Francisco.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1623288741,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":47,"wordCount":2010},"headData":{"title":"'Lyft's Got to Look Into Its Own Soul': Judge Weighs Requiring Lyft to Provide Wheelchair Users Equal Service | KQED","description":"A 2019 class-action lawsuit alleges Lyft violates the ADA by failing to provide service for those who require special wheelchair accessible vehicles. A trial in the case ended Tuesday in San Francisco.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"'Lyft's Got to Look Into Its Own Soul': Judge Weighs Requiring Lyft to Provide Wheelchair Users Equal Service","datePublished":"2021-06-10T00:02:43.000Z","dateModified":"2021-06-10T01:32:21.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11876977 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11876977","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2021/06/09/lyfts-got-to-look-into-its-soul-judge-weighs-requiring-lyft-to-provide-wheelchair-users-equal-service/","disqusTitle":"'Lyft's Got to Look Into Its Own Soul': Judge Weighs Requiring Lyft to Provide Wheelchair Users Equal Service","path":"/news/11876977/lyfts-got-to-look-into-its-soul-judge-weighs-requiring-lyft-to-provide-wheelchair-users-equal-service","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A trial to determine if Lyft violates the Americans With Disabilities Act concluded in San Francisco on Tuesday. A pending decision by Judge William Alsup may soon determine if the ride-hail company will be compelled to provide service for those who use powered wheelchairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Berkeley and New York-based Disability Rights Advocates group filed the class-action \u003ca href=\"https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5776959/Disability-Rights-Lawsuit-versus-Lyft.pdf\">complaint\u003c/a> in US Northern District Court \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11734339/lawsuit-seeks-to-force-lyft-to-provide-full-equal-service-to-the-disabled\">against Lyft in 2019\u003c/a>, alleging it ran afoul of the ADA by failing to ensure service for those who require special wheelchair accessible vehicles (WAVs) to get around.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The suit didn't aim to pinch Lyft's purse — instead, disability community advocates wished to push the ride-hail giant to provide wheelchair-accessible service in the Bay Area that's \"full and equal\" to the service it provides the rest of the public.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In court, Alsup said his decision would likely not come later than August.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Wheelchair Users Left in Limbo\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Powered wheelchairs are preferred in the disability community for the independence they allow, but vehicles able to fit them properly can cost tens of thousands of dollars to retrofit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Bay Area's traditional taxi industry used to have a robust number of drivers \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/luxor-cabs-financial-strain-jeopardizes-crucial-wheelchair-taxi-trips/\">behind a fleet equipped with wheelchair-accessible vans\u003c/a>. But as Lyft and competitor Uber, which \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnet.com/news/uber-discriminates-against-people-in-wheelchairs-lawsuit-says/\">faced a similar lawsuit in 2018\u003c/a>, rose to prominence over the last decade, taxi drivers fled the industry by the hundreds. Those wheelchair rides vanished with them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'[There's an] exhaustion that I think our community feels ... And the frustration that after having worked so hard and won such great success with the ADA, that these companies have come along and caused us to lose some of the independence we had gained.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Dorene Giacopini, lawsuit plaintiff and member of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>And since ride-hail companies contend they are merely app services which connect drivers with riders, instead of owning fleets of vehicles themselves, Lyft's attorneys argued in court that providing a wheelchair service would be an entirely new business altogether — and that it's therefore outside the bounds of what the ADA mandates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Without that service, however, wheelchair users are left in limbo, said Dorene Giacopini, one of the suit's plaintiffs. Giacopini also sits on the Bay Area Metropolitan Transportation Commission, and is president of the board of Community Resources for Independent Living in Hayward. She uses a powered wheelchair for her mobility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When talking about Lyft's lack of wheelchair accessibility, and the ride-hailing industry's decimation of similar services from taxis, Giacopini likened the situation to what she called the \"bad old days\" when people with disabilities were confined to their bedrooms by their families. Often they were trapped there for life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I remember being a kid and people talking about shut-ins, people who are just stuck in their houses\" due to a family's shame about their disability. Lyft's indifference to the effect their company's growth had on people with disabilities hearkened back to those times, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Giacopini's own parents fought against her grandparents, who said \"don't talk about her disability, keep her home.\" Lyft's practices are contributing to making some people with disabilities become shut-ins again, Giacopini told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said there's an \"exhaustion that I think our community feels with having to deal with the inaccessible environment ... And the frustration that after having worked so hard and won such great success with the Americans with Disabilities Act, that these companies have come along and caused us to lose some of the independence we had gained.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'Lyft Simply Refuses to Try'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Lyft defended its early wheelchair accessibility pilot in the Bay Area, which it has attempted in fits and starts since 2019. The program started with just five vehicles for the nine-county region, but a planned partnership with rental car company Hertz was to scale up its fleet to 65 vehicles, which would be owned by Hertz. That pilot project never got off the ground, as Hertz declared bankruptcy in May 2020. After that, Lyft reduced its number of WAVs to just two.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Lyft’s goal is to provide access to WAV service in a reliable and sustainable way, and this trial has highlighted how incredibly challenging it is to facilitate WAV service on-demand,\" a Lyft spokesperson wrote in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the trial, attorneys for disability community advocates argued Lyft already had WAV programs running in 10 different markets, including New York and Oregon, and could replicate that service in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They also pointed out Lyft got roughly $2 million from its state regulators – the California Public Utilities Commission – to help get its WAV pilot project. They argued that Lyft itself determined it could potentially cover 80% of the demand for wheelchair service with a fleet of 65 vehicles, though Lyft witnesses later countered that claim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Advocates' attorney Stuart Seaborn argued Lyft scrapped its large-scale plan to provide wheelchair-accessible service at the start of the pandemic before it even had a chance to fail. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The evidence has shown Lyft, a company that revolutionized the way people travel in this country, is fully capable of implementing wheelchair-accessible service in the Bay Area,\" Seaborn said in the case's closing arguments. \"The evidence shows Lyft simply refuses to try.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Disability Community Coverage ","tag":"disability-community"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Attorneys want to give Lyft a year to get a program for the disability community off the ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Judge Alsup spelled some doubt for the disability community advocates, indicating they weren't asking for a specific enough change to Lyft's service, like a direct modification to the design of a vehicle, to meet ADA requirements. Instead, Alsup said, they were asking the court to order Lyft to begin a process to discover what business modifications are needed to run a wheelchair service in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Lyft implements these programs all over the country,\" Seaborn countered. \"The fact of the matter is, they do provide those services.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alsup also took aim at advocates' arguments that Lyft could still feasibly implement the 65 wheelchair-accessible vehicle program in the Bay Area without Hertz.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You make it sound so easy. I think Lyft should just hire you, stick you in charge, and then you be responsible for making it cost-effective,\" Alsup told Seaborn, the advocates' attorney. \"It's a problem for me as a judge to wonder where that 65 [vehicles] will come from.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Attorneys for the advocates then pointed out that despite Hertz's bankruptcy, Lyft failed to reach out to other car companies to form partnerships to supply wheelchair-accessible vehicles, including Enterprise, or MobilityWorks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the trial, Lyft argued that although they have wheelchair-accessible vehicles in other cities, they are only provided because cities or states have regulations that mandated them. Those wheelchair programs don't make money or break even, they argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are trying to solve this problem long term for our business overall,\" Joyce Chan, vice president of product operations at Lyft testified.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'You're Just Donating That Money to the State Treasury?'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Some California lawmakers have tried to help Lyft help itself, by creating a program that charges Lyft a 10-cent-per-ride fee that is deposited in a fund expressly for wheelchair operations. That program, compelled by Senate Bill 1376, authored by Sen. Jerry Hill, D-San Mateo, was signed into law by former Gov. Jerry Brown in late 2018.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the program made $1.8 million available to Lyft since 2019, Chan argued it needed at least $2 million annually to run a wheelchair-accessible program locally. The funding also fluctuates so often that they cannot effectively calculate the amount into their annual budget, Chan argued, another complicating factor for utilizing it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Lyft pays the fee and it goes to the CPUC, largely unused, Chan said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Judge Alsup was skeptical of that practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You're just donating that money to the State Treasury without trying to put a program in place?\" he asked Chan, to which she replied, \"Yes, sir.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The CPUC is also in the process of ruling on wheelchair accessibility regulations for Lyft and Uber, but witnesses said the CPUC may not finish deliberating on those rules until 2025. Alsup said that CPUC proceeding may have impacted his ruling, but only if it were closer to fruition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A lot of people who need these wheelchair vehicles are going to be dead by 2025,\" Alsup told attorneys.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The people you're leaving out are these disabled people, who want to go out and have a drink every now and then too, but Lyft will not serve them ... And you ought to think about how that looks, while all those cool people are going out and having their drinks and you're cashing in on that business model.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"US District Court Judge William Alsup","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Data scientists and technical experts also testified for Lyft, arguing that the disability community was so small that the company could not generate enough data to effectively serve them. The only way to do so would be for Lyft to manually dispatch drivers, almost like a taxi service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alsup was skeptical of that claim, as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"But you know, your entire company started with zero data points,\" he told one witness. \"You're making it sound like you're mentally paralyzed and can't make a decision unless you've got a million data points.\" So, Alsup said, \"You're exaggerating.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In her closing arguments Tuesday, Jiyun Lee, an attorney for Lyft, asked the judge, \"who should bear the financial burden\" of learning and experimentation to create an on-demand service for wheelchair users that has \"never been done before?\" Private entities shouldn't bear the burden of modifying vehicles to be wheelchair accessible, which can cost more than $20,000 per vehicle, Lee said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, Lee argued, the ADA says people with disabilities can ask for \"reasonable\" modification to make services accessible, but what disability community advocates are asking for is too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That burden surpasses what the ADA calls for, with \"reasonable\" accommodations, Lee said. In fact, she said, \"that's just outright establishing a new transportation service.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Seaborn shot back that Lyft already runs wheelchair-accessible programs throughout the country, and therefore \"cannot argue that something it is already doing would fundamentally alter its business, though doing so may be cost-prohibitive in our region.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the outcome of the trial may not be known until August, Alsup had harsh words for the ride-hail company on the case writ large.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Your business model is based on the cool people in their 20s and 30s who like to go to bars and spend money and get a ride home, the people who are fully able to walk around, and people in this part of the world who have lots of money to spend,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"So you're cashing in on that model. And the people you're leaving out are these disabled people, who want to go out and have a drink every now and then too, but Lyft will not serve them. Lyft just will not serve them ... And you ought to think about how that looks, while all those cool people are going out and having their drinks and you're cashing in on that business model.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A Lyft attorney tried to interrupt him at this point, but Alsup continued, \"I think Lyft's got to look into its own soul to see what's best and what looks best. This is just me talking as a citizen. As a judge, I'm going to rule according to the law, and the plaintiffs may lose on account of this, because the law is not as favorable to the plaintiffs as they seem to think.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, Alsup said, \"I'm telling you how it looks.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11876977/lyfts-got-to-look-into-its-soul-judge-weighs-requiring-lyft-to-provide-wheelchair-users-equal-service","authors":["11690"],"categories":["news_8","news_1397"],"tags":["news_28002","news_26991","news_1066","news_19179","news_29228","news_25262","news_4524","news_29564"],"featImg":"news_11877465","label":"news"},"news_11869709":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11869709","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11869709","score":null,"sort":[1618538723000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"regulators-impose-new-oversight-on-pge-after-utility-falls-short-on-wildfire-safety-work","title":"Regulators Impose New Oversight on PG&E After Utility Falls Short on Wildfire Safety Work","publishDate":1618538723,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>State utility regulators are imposing new oversight on PG&E after finding that the utility has fallen far short of its promises to remove dangerous trees from areas of its sprawling electrical network that are most prone to wildfires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Public Utilities Commission voted unanimously Thursday to place PG&E on the first step of an \"enhanced oversight and enforcement\" process the agency created when the company exited bankruptcy last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vote followed \u003ca href=\"https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20612390/cpuc-wildfire-safety-division-audit-of-pge-enhanced-vegetation-management.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a February audit\u003c/a> by the CPUC's Wildfire Safety Division that found PG&E had failed to focus an ambitious and costly vegetation management program on the riskiest parts of its network.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company's enhanced vegetation management aims to remove hazardous trees and limbs from along 25,000 miles of distribution lines in areas that Cal Fire and the CPUC have identified as having elevated or extreme wildfire threats. The program is projected to take a decade and tens of billions of dollars to complete, and PG&E committed to working on 1,800 miles of lines last year. [pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation='CPUC Executive Director Rachel Peterson']'The company completed less than 5% of its enhanced vegetation management work on what it had identified as its 20 highest-risk power lines'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But February's CPUC audit found that while PG&E met that overall mileage target, the company bypassed virtually all of the lines it had identified as the riskiest in its entire network.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The company completed less than 5% of its enhanced vegetation management work on what it had identified as its 20 highest-risk power lines,\" CPUC Executive Director Rachel Peterson told the five-member commission Thursday afternoon. That work accounted for just 92 miles of the 1,800 miles of line PG&E worked in 2020, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The audit's findings mirrored those of a federal court monitor that reviewed PG&E's enhanced vegetation management work in 2019.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The monitor's \u003ca href=\"https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20612388/court-monitors-october-2020-letter-on-pge-vegetation-management-o.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">October 2020 report\u003c/a> to U.S. District Judge William Alsup, who is overseeing the utility's criminal probation for violating pipeline safety laws and obstructing a federal investigation, found that the company focused on relatively low-risk areas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The company needs to do a much better job of prioritizing wildfire risk reduction within the mileage targets\" of its enhanced vegetation management work, the monitor said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under \u003ca href=\"https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20616594/cpuc-resolution-m-4852-placing-pge-in-first-step-of-enhanced-oversight-and-enforcement-process.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the resolution\u003c/a> approved in Thursday's commission vote, PG&E must file a detailed corrective action plan by May 5, with follow-up reports required every 90 days thereafter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company's response must include an explanation of why it failed to prioritize its highest-risk power lines for work last year, a list of enhanced vegetation management projects planned this year and the company's rationale for giving them priority.[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under a decision adopted last year, the CPUC could escalate its enforcement actions against PG&E if it finds the company continues to fall short of safety requirements. 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Regulators concluded that state law didn’t require them to vote on PG&E’s wildlife safety certification, even though they believe the utility mismanaged its tree-trimming program last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement, PG&E said it has already made improvements to its tree-trimming program and will continue as part of its wildfire prevention efforts this summer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is in all of our best interests to work together to improve our safety performance for the benefit of our customers and the communities we are privileged to serve,” the utility said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a separate proceeding, the CPUC's Public Advocates Office is urging the commission to reject PG&E’s 2021 wildfire mitigation plan — the company's annual state-mandated blueprint for all of its fire-safety activities ranging from public safety power shutoffs to increased weather monitoring to its enhanced vegetation management program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In \u003ca href=\"https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20612406/public-advocates-office-comments-pge-2021-wmp.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a March 29 report\u003c/a>, the office blasted PG&E for “systemic weak management” that has led to its failure to prioritize the tree work along its riskiest power lines and many other problems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its reply, PG&E described the critique as a narrowly focused analysis that ignores “the substantial progress, work on wildfire mitigation initiatives, and successes that occurred in 2020.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utility highlighted a wide range of improvements and upgrades it made last year to reduce wildfire risks, as well as its work to reduce the scope of public safety power shutoffs conducted during dangerous weather conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story includes reporting from The Associated Press.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11869709/regulators-impose-new-oversight-on-pge-after-utility-falls-short-on-wildfire-safety-work","authors":["222"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_1066","news_19179","news_140","news_4463"],"featImg":"news_11819251","label":"news"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. 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