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Instead, utilities must pay for those activities with money from private investors who have bought stock shares.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consumer groups say utilities are finding ways around those rules. They accuse them of using money from customers to fund trade groups that lobby legislators and for TV ads disguised as public service announcements, including some recent ads by PG&E.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A legislative bill, SB 938, would expand the definitions of prohibited advertising and political influence to include things like regulators’ decisions on rate-setting and franchises for electrical and gas corporations. It would also allow regulators to fine utilities that break the rules.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s always fun to be able to give away other people’s money and use other people’s money to try to advance their own interests,” said state Sen. Dave Min, a Democrat who authored the bill. “But for a regulated industry like (investor-owned utilities), I would submit that that’s not good policy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB938\">The bill\u003c/a> faces fierce opposition from utilities and some labor unions that fear it would prohibit union members who work for utilities from lobbying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"utilities\"]The bill had a public hearing last week in a committee, but it failed to pass after multiple Democrats, who hold large majorities in both legislative chambers, did not vote. The committee is scheduled to hear the bill again Monday. If it fails a second time, it likely won’t pass this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Min said he has accepted amendments to address lawmakers’ concerns, including allowing a grace period for utilities to correct errors and requiring that any money collected from fines be put into the state’s general fund. Still, he said it was “50-50” whether the bill would survive Monday’s vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PG&E opposes the bill because it said it would take away the power of state regulators to examine utility companies’ costs and decide whether it is “just or reasonable” for customers to pay for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Plus, PG&E lobbyist Brandon Ebeck said it’s appropriate for customers to pay for the company’s membership fees that go to various industry associations because they benefit customers. He noted that those groups coordinate emergency response and wildfire training. When the war in Ukraine started, the Edison Electric Institute — a national association representing investor-owned utilities — sought to find surplus equipment to be sent to Ukraine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lot of benefits to customers,” Ebeck said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consumer groups argue that the current rules for utilities “incentivizes them to see what they can get away with,” said Matt Vespa, an attorney with the advocacy group Earthjustice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those groups and Min point to as much as $6 million in TV ads PG&E paid to tout its plan to bury power lines to reduce wildfire risk, which some consumer groups opposed because it \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/pge-rates-california-wildfires-99be6963a57b1f4812a056be93cec50f\">increased customers’ bills\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ads first aired in 2022 and feature CEO Patti Poppe in a company-branded hard hat who said the company is “transforming your hometown utility from the ground up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utility recorded the expenses for those ads as coming from a customer-funded account dedicated to reducing wildfire risk, as first reported by the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article287598875.html\">\u003cem>Sacramento Bee\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. PG&E spokesperson Lynsey Paulo said the company has not yet asked regulators to review that expense. The California Public Utilities Commission will decide whether customer funds can pay for the ads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paulo noted state regulators allow utilities to use money from customers to pay for safety communications on television.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our customers have told us they want to know how we are investing to improve safety and reliability,” Paulo said. “We also use digital and email communications, but some customers do not have internet or email access, so we use methods including television spots to communicate with all of our customers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some consumer groups said the ads have crossed the line.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Only at PG&E would [Poppe’s] attempts at brand rehabilitation be considered a ‘safety message,’” said Mark Toney, executive director of the Utility Reform Network. “This blatant misuse of ratepayer funds is exactly why we need SB 938 and its clear rules and required disclosures for advertising costs.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A new state bill aims to step up enforcement of rules that prohibit investor-owned utilities from using customer money to pay for things like advertising and lobbying.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1713818626,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":862},"headData":{"title":"California Legislators Consider Cracking Down on How Utilities Spend Customers' Money | KQED","description":"A new state bill aims to step up enforcement of rules that prohibit investor-owned utilities from using customer money to pay for things like advertising and lobbying.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"California Legislators Consider Cracking Down on How Utilities Spend Customers' Money","datePublished":"2024-04-22T21:00:16.000Z","dateModified":"2024-04-22T20:43:46.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Adam Beam\u003cbr>Associated Press","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11983675/california-legislators-consider-cracking-down-on-how-utilities-spend-customers-money","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A crackdown on how some of the nation’s largest utilities spend customers’ money faces a do-or-die vote Monday in the California Legislature.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Californians already pay some of the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/pge-rates-california-wildfires-99be6963a57b1f4812a056be93cec50f\">highest electricity rates\u003c/a> in the country, in part because of the expensive work required to maintain and upgrade electrical equipment to reduce the risk of wildfires in a state with long, dry summers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As rates continue to climb, utilities like Pacific Gas & Electric, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas & Electric have faced increasing scrutiny from consumer groups over how they spend the money they collect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Utilities aren’t allowed to use money from customers to pay for things like advertising or lobbying. Instead, utilities must pay for those activities with money from private investors who have bought stock shares.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consumer groups say utilities are finding ways around those rules. They accuse them of using money from customers to fund trade groups that lobby legislators and for TV ads disguised as public service announcements, including some recent ads by PG&E.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A legislative bill, SB 938, would expand the definitions of prohibited advertising and political influence to include things like regulators’ decisions on rate-setting and franchises for electrical and gas corporations. It would also allow regulators to fine utilities that break the rules.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s always fun to be able to give away other people’s money and use other people’s money to try to advance their own interests,” said state Sen. Dave Min, a Democrat who authored the bill. “But for a regulated industry like (investor-owned utilities), I would submit that that’s not good policy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB938\">The bill\u003c/a> faces fierce opposition from utilities and some labor unions that fear it would prohibit union members who work for utilities from lobbying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"utilities"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The bill had a public hearing last week in a committee, but it failed to pass after multiple Democrats, who hold large majorities in both legislative chambers, did not vote. The committee is scheduled to hear the bill again Monday. If it fails a second time, it likely won’t pass this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Min said he has accepted amendments to address lawmakers’ concerns, including allowing a grace period for utilities to correct errors and requiring that any money collected from fines be put into the state’s general fund. Still, he said it was “50-50” whether the bill would survive Monday’s vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PG&E opposes the bill because it said it would take away the power of state regulators to examine utility companies’ costs and decide whether it is “just or reasonable” for customers to pay for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Plus, PG&E lobbyist Brandon Ebeck said it’s appropriate for customers to pay for the company’s membership fees that go to various industry associations because they benefit customers. He noted that those groups coordinate emergency response and wildfire training. When the war in Ukraine started, the Edison Electric Institute — a national association representing investor-owned utilities — sought to find surplus equipment to be sent to Ukraine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lot of benefits to customers,” Ebeck said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consumer groups argue that the current rules for utilities “incentivizes them to see what they can get away with,” said Matt Vespa, an attorney with the advocacy group Earthjustice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those groups and Min point to as much as $6 million in TV ads PG&E paid to tout its plan to bury power lines to reduce wildfire risk, which some consumer groups opposed because it \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/pge-rates-california-wildfires-99be6963a57b1f4812a056be93cec50f\">increased customers’ bills\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ads first aired in 2022 and feature CEO Patti Poppe in a company-branded hard hat who said the company is “transforming your hometown utility from the ground up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utility recorded the expenses for those ads as coming from a customer-funded account dedicated to reducing wildfire risk, as first reported by the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article287598875.html\">\u003cem>Sacramento Bee\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. PG&E spokesperson Lynsey Paulo said the company has not yet asked regulators to review that expense. The California Public Utilities Commission will decide whether customer funds can pay for the ads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paulo noted state regulators allow utilities to use money from customers to pay for safety communications on television.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our customers have told us they want to know how we are investing to improve safety and reliability,” Paulo said. “We also use digital and email communications, but some customers do not have internet or email access, so we use methods including television spots to communicate with all of our customers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some consumer groups said the ads have crossed the line.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Only at PG&E would [Poppe’s] attempts at brand rehabilitation be considered a ‘safety message,’” said Mark Toney, executive director of the Utility Reform Network. “This blatant misuse of ratepayer funds is exactly why we need SB 938 and its clear rules and required disclosures for advertising costs.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11983675/california-legislators-consider-cracking-down-on-how-utilities-spend-customers-money","authors":["byline_news_11983675"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8","news_356"],"tags":["news_1066","news_1092","news_140","news_23900"],"featImg":"news_11983694","label":"news"},"news_11983622":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11983622","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11983622","score":null,"sort":[1713697238000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"why-california-environmentalists-are-divided-over-plan-to-change-power-utility-rates","title":"Why California Environmentalists Are Divided Over Plan to Change Power Utility Rates","publishDate":1713697238,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Why California Environmentalists Are Divided Over Plan to Change Power Utility Rates | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":18481,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>On May 9, the California Public Utilities Commission is scheduled to vote on whether to let the state’s largest power providers slap most customers with a new fixed charge. Think of it like paying for a subscription service, except instead of forking over a monthly fee to watch old \u003cem>Friends\u003c/em> episodes, this one lets you enjoy the comforts of 20th century living.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, according to the proposed rule, the utilities will be required to lower the rate we all pay for each unit of power we consume.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On average, electric bills won’t go up or down, but most households aren’t exactly average. Under the proposed change, people who use less electricity will pay a bit more as a result of the fee, while those who rack up large power bills will save thanks to the lower usage rates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The basic idea isn’t novel, even if it’s \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2023/07/electricity-bills/\">wildly controversial here in California\u003c/a>; Most utilities across the country already collect fixed charges. But this proposed regulation comes with a distinctly California twist: The fixed charges would vary by income, with higher earners paying a $24 fee and lower-income households paying either $6 or $12.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The proposed charges are significantly less steep than ones proposed by the utilities themselves last spring, which \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/04/california-power-bills/\">topped out at $128 per month for the highest earners\u003c/a>. But with a \u003ca href=\"https://haas.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/WP294.pdf\">national average of roughly $11 per month\u003c/a>, the $24 fee under consideration is still on the high end. Though most households will be compensated, at least partially, through lower rates, that sticker shock has engendered plenty of political outrage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://flo.uri.sh/visualisation/17607599/embed?auto=1\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/04/california-power-bills/\">Republicans don’t like it\u003c/a> because the income-varying nature of the charge smacks of a progressive income tax. Many Democrats have lambasted the idea, too, because the lower volumetric rates will water down the incentive to mind one’s electric usage. The utilities say they need some kind of fixed charge to help pay down wildfire and other rising fixed costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Those who consume more electricity, such as a single family home with (a) pool, will receive a discount at the expense of a low electricity user, such as an apartment renter,” wrote Jacqui Irwin, an Assemblymember from Thousand Oaks, along with 21 of her fellow Democratic colleagues last fall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Irwin is also the lead author of a \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB1999\">bill that would put a tight lid on fixed charges\u003c/a>, capping them at $10 for most customers and $5 for those enrolled in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/consumer-support/financial-assistance-savings-and-discounts/california-alternate-rates-for-energy\">state’s biggest energy assistance program\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What makes the debate especially unusual is where some of the state’s most influential environmental interests have come down on the proposal. Namely, on both sides. The Natural Resources Defense Council is for it. Environment California is against it. The \u003ca href=\"https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2024/03/california-public-utilities-commission-proposes-three-tiers-income-based\">Sierra Club called it a “mixed bag.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once upon a time, environmental interests shared a united view about the best way to make use of the grid: The less the better.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, depending on which green activist you ask, the regulatory proposal is either a utility-backed break from the state’s long, eco-conscious tradition of encouraging energy conservation, or a necessary first step toward electrifying our homes and vehicles for the sake of the planet’s future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Ten years ago, even, the grid was mostly powered by fossil fuels,” said Mohit Chhabra, an analyst with the Natural Resources Defense Council, which backs the proposed change. “The question now, as the grid gets cleaner, is ‘When should you use more?’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the commission prepares for its vote early next month, the debate is the latest sign that the changing economics of electricity generation in California are beginning to upend the traditional politics of the grid as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The case for a fixed charge\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The origin of the current debate dates back to at least 2021 when three UC Berkeley energy economists \u003ca href=\"https://www.next10.org/sites/default/files/2021-02/Next10-electricity-rates-v2.pdf\">published a report on what’s wrong with California’s electricity prices (PDF)\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The report is heavy on jargon, but the gist is simple: Rates are just way too high.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Severin Borenstein, one of the report’s authors, said that isn’t a populist argument; it’s an economic and environmental one. Providing energy through the state’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/california-major-advancements-renewable-energy-usage/\">increasingly solar- and wind-saturated electric grid\u003c/a> is not only cheaper, but vastly more environmentally friendly than getting an equivalent amount of energy by burning gasoline or methane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But because California has \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2024/02/utility-rate-hikes-california/\">some of the highest retail electric rates\u003c/a> in the country, “the cost of fueling my Prius at a gas station is about the cost of fueling a Tesla — and it shouldn’t be,” he said. “We are sending entirely the wrong price signals and it’s undermining decarbonisation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The reason for the gap between the price California households pay and the actual cost of producing the energy, Borenstein argues, is that many of the costs that large utilities face — costs that have nothing to do with actually producing electricity — are larded onto the rates we pay per kilowatt hour. Those costs include paying off wildfire-related lawsuits, investments intended to ward off future fires, rebates for lower-income customers, electric vehicle charging stations, payments to customers with rooftop solar panels and upkeep of the grid itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The best way to pay for many of these costs would be out of the state budget, Borenstein argues — a political nonstarter. The report suggested an alternative: Cut rates and make up the difference with a fixed charge on every electric bill. Better yet, for the sake of fairness, make the fixed-charge vary by household income — an income tax of sorts, but paid monthly to the utilities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Customers would still be on the hook, the argument goes, but at least bills would do less to discourage Californians from buying electric cars and induction stoves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The next year \u003ca href=\"https://ebudget.ca.gov/2022-23/pdf/Revised/BudgetSummary/ClimateChange.pdf\">Gov. Gavin Newsom’s revised budget proposal (PDF)\u003c/a> included language that would let the state’s utility regulator do just that. An income-graduated fixed charge, the budget document read, would “enable creation of better price signals that will enhance widespread electrification efforts.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A month later, that measure was \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB205\">tucked in a 21,000-word budget bill\u003c/a> with little public discussion. It wasn’t until late last year, after the public utility commission began soliciting feedback on the proposal it had been tasked by the Legislature to come up with, that legislators began sounding the alarm and introducing new legislation to reverse course.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom’s office declined to comment on the current legislation. But in January, a spokesperson for the administration told reporters that the governor “looks forward to seeing a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kcra.com/article/california-backpedal-new-electricity-rates-income-based/46586910\">commission proposal that is consistent\u003c/a>” with the 2022 budget bill language\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Electrification vs. conservation\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>It’s not a coincidence that utilities in eco-conscious, politically blue California are rare among the nation’s power providers in doing without fixed charges. Sticking high energy users, believed to be higher income households, with more of the bill has always appeared to align with the state’s economically progressive bent. Charging more per unit of electricity also promotes energy efficiency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Severin Borenstein, report author\"]‘We are sending entirely the wrong price signals and it’s undermining decarbonisation.’[/pullquote]Environmental advocates who oppose the change aren’t keen on lessening the current financial penalty for being an energy hog.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s going to have this perverse impact of incentivizing wasting energy, encouraging people to buy the biggest car, the biggest house, leaving the lights on,” said Laura Deehan, state director of Environment California, at a digital press conference on Tuesday. The change would also further discourage the uptake of rooftop solar panels, she warned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s already been a punishing few years for the rooftop solar industry in California. In 2022, the public utilities commission \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/environment/climate-change/2024/01/california-solar-demand-plummets/\">cut the payment that panel owners\u003c/a> receive for the excess energy they pipe back onto the grid. By lowering the per-unit cost of electricity that panel owners forgo, this year’s change would further chip away at the benefit of going solar, while also sticking those households with an unavoidable monthly fee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“High fixed charges pick winners and losers,” explained Bernadette Del Chiaro, executive director of the California Solar & Storage Association, in an email. “The winners are high energy users. The losers are low energy users. Adding solar and batteries to your home can also make you a low energy user. So, yes, we have a dog in the fight.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“But the numbers of non-solar users impacted by this are much larger,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://flo.uri.sh/visualisation/17622062/embed?auto=1\" width=\"800\" height=\"500\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Winners and losers\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Who those affected customers are is its own spirited debate. The biggest losers will be middle income households who just miss the cut-off for a discount and who currently have small energy bills. The biggest winners will be the biggest users.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“High usage customers tend to be wealthier people who can afford to pay these energy bills,“ said Josh Plaisted, founder of the engineering and regulator consulting firm Flagstaff Research, which conducted analysis of the proposed change for the Clean Coalition, a nonprofit that promotes policies that support rooftop solar, microgrids and other non-utility-based energy systems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under the fixed charge proposal, “a home with a backyard pool in Walnut Creek is rocking it,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters counter that while higher income households do tend to use more energy, the \u003ca href=\"https://haas.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/WP330.pdf\">relationship isn’t as consistent as one might think (PDF)\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of all the things that determine whether a house uses a lot of energy or a little, income isn’t as important as local climate, household size and the efficiency of the building, said Chhabra. Wealthier families are more likely to have better insulated homes, solar panels on their roofs and live in expensive coastal cities, all of which tend to result in lower electric bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Once you start looking through the details, a generic assumption like that just doesn’t hold,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For now the debate may be more symbolic than meaningful. While the biggest winners and losers under the proposed policy stand to see their yearly utility spending change by a few hundred dollars, both supporters and opponents concede that most customers will fall somewhere in the middle. Many may not even notice the change. Meanwhile, the change won’t affect commercial or industrial customers at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"Related Stories\" postID=\"science_1992348,news_11981173,news_11970332\"]That’s not enough to break the bank for most, but nor is it likely to make the difference for a household weighing a gas versus an electric hot water heater. “Connecting the fixed charge with ‘this enables electrification’ just rings hollow,” said Plaisted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Efile/G000/M528/K422/528422138.PDF\">CPUC estimates (PDF)\u003c/a> that a typical household that goes fully electric — swapping out its gas-powered space and water heaters, its oven and its dryer with grid-powered alternatives — would save between $12 and $19 per month on their electric bill as a result of the new rate change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chhabra argued that the effect that a reduced rate will have on conservation is also likely to be negligible. California’s electric prices are “still the highest in the country, save Hawaii, right?” he said. “So there’s still enough signal there.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But as California continues its campaign to wean itself off fossil fuels, the divide among environmental advocates and other members of the Democratic coalition who shape state energy policy isn’t likely to go away anytime soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are trying to balance conservation, efficiency, electrification and fairness,” said Chhabra. “And you can’t give the best thing for everything all at once.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The California Public Utilities Commission will consider a new proposal on May 9 that would change how Californians pay for electricity.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1713708784,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":true,"iframeSrcs":["https://flo.uri.sh/visualisation/17607599/embed","https://flo.uri.sh/visualisation/17622062/embed"],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":45,"wordCount":2040},"headData":{"title":"Why California Environmentalists Are Divided Over Plan to Change Power Utility Rates | KQED","description":"The California Public Utilities Commission will consider a new proposal on May 9 that would change how Californians pay for electricity.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Why California Environmentalists Are Divided Over Plan to Change Power Utility Rates","datePublished":"2024-04-21T11:00:38.000Z","dateModified":"2024-04-21T14:13:04.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/author/ben-christopher/\">Ben Christopher\u003c/a>","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11983622/why-california-environmentalists-are-divided-over-plan-to-change-power-utility-rates","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>On May 9, the California Public Utilities Commission is scheduled to vote on whether to let the state’s largest power providers slap most customers with a new fixed charge. Think of it like paying for a subscription service, except instead of forking over a monthly fee to watch old \u003cem>Friends\u003c/em> episodes, this one lets you enjoy the comforts of 20th century living.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, according to the proposed rule, the utilities will be required to lower the rate we all pay for each unit of power we consume.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On average, electric bills won’t go up or down, but most households aren’t exactly average. Under the proposed change, people who use less electricity will pay a bit more as a result of the fee, while those who rack up large power bills will save thanks to the lower usage rates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The basic idea isn’t novel, even if it’s \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2023/07/electricity-bills/\">wildly controversial here in California\u003c/a>; Most utilities across the country already collect fixed charges. But this proposed regulation comes with a distinctly California twist: The fixed charges would vary by income, with higher earners paying a $24 fee and lower-income households paying either $6 or $12.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The proposed charges are significantly less steep than ones proposed by the utilities themselves last spring, which \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/04/california-power-bills/\">topped out at $128 per month for the highest earners\u003c/a>. But with a \u003ca href=\"https://haas.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/WP294.pdf\">national average of roughly $11 per month\u003c/a>, the $24 fee under consideration is still on the high end. Though most households will be compensated, at least partially, through lower rates, that sticker shock has engendered plenty of political outrage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://flo.uri.sh/visualisation/17607599/embed?auto=1\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/04/california-power-bills/\">Republicans don’t like it\u003c/a> because the income-varying nature of the charge smacks of a progressive income tax. Many Democrats have lambasted the idea, too, because the lower volumetric rates will water down the incentive to mind one’s electric usage. The utilities say they need some kind of fixed charge to help pay down wildfire and other rising fixed costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Those who consume more electricity, such as a single family home with (a) pool, will receive a discount at the expense of a low electricity user, such as an apartment renter,” wrote Jacqui Irwin, an Assemblymember from Thousand Oaks, along with 21 of her fellow Democratic colleagues last fall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Irwin is also the lead author of a \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB1999\">bill that would put a tight lid on fixed charges\u003c/a>, capping them at $10 for most customers and $5 for those enrolled in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/consumer-support/financial-assistance-savings-and-discounts/california-alternate-rates-for-energy\">state’s biggest energy assistance program\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What makes the debate especially unusual is where some of the state’s most influential environmental interests have come down on the proposal. Namely, on both sides. The Natural Resources Defense Council is for it. Environment California is against it. The \u003ca href=\"https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2024/03/california-public-utilities-commission-proposes-three-tiers-income-based\">Sierra Club called it a “mixed bag.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once upon a time, environmental interests shared a united view about the best way to make use of the grid: The less the better.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, depending on which green activist you ask, the regulatory proposal is either a utility-backed break from the state’s long, eco-conscious tradition of encouraging energy conservation, or a necessary first step toward electrifying our homes and vehicles for the sake of the planet’s future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Ten years ago, even, the grid was mostly powered by fossil fuels,” said Mohit Chhabra, an analyst with the Natural Resources Defense Council, which backs the proposed change. “The question now, as the grid gets cleaner, is ‘When should you use more?’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the commission prepares for its vote early next month, the debate is the latest sign that the changing economics of electricity generation in California are beginning to upend the traditional politics of the grid as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The case for a fixed charge\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The origin of the current debate dates back to at least 2021 when three UC Berkeley energy economists \u003ca href=\"https://www.next10.org/sites/default/files/2021-02/Next10-electricity-rates-v2.pdf\">published a report on what’s wrong with California’s electricity prices (PDF)\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The report is heavy on jargon, but the gist is simple: Rates are just way too high.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Severin Borenstein, one of the report’s authors, said that isn’t a populist argument; it’s an economic and environmental one. Providing energy through the state’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/california-major-advancements-renewable-energy-usage/\">increasingly solar- and wind-saturated electric grid\u003c/a> is not only cheaper, but vastly more environmentally friendly than getting an equivalent amount of energy by burning gasoline or methane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But because California has \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2024/02/utility-rate-hikes-california/\">some of the highest retail electric rates\u003c/a> in the country, “the cost of fueling my Prius at a gas station is about the cost of fueling a Tesla — and it shouldn’t be,” he said. “We are sending entirely the wrong price signals and it’s undermining decarbonisation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The reason for the gap between the price California households pay and the actual cost of producing the energy, Borenstein argues, is that many of the costs that large utilities face — costs that have nothing to do with actually producing electricity — are larded onto the rates we pay per kilowatt hour. Those costs include paying off wildfire-related lawsuits, investments intended to ward off future fires, rebates for lower-income customers, electric vehicle charging stations, payments to customers with rooftop solar panels and upkeep of the grid itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The best way to pay for many of these costs would be out of the state budget, Borenstein argues — a political nonstarter. The report suggested an alternative: Cut rates and make up the difference with a fixed charge on every electric bill. Better yet, for the sake of fairness, make the fixed-charge vary by household income — an income tax of sorts, but paid monthly to the utilities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Customers would still be on the hook, the argument goes, but at least bills would do less to discourage Californians from buying electric cars and induction stoves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The next year \u003ca href=\"https://ebudget.ca.gov/2022-23/pdf/Revised/BudgetSummary/ClimateChange.pdf\">Gov. Gavin Newsom’s revised budget proposal (PDF)\u003c/a> included language that would let the state’s utility regulator do just that. An income-graduated fixed charge, the budget document read, would “enable creation of better price signals that will enhance widespread electrification efforts.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A month later, that measure was \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB205\">tucked in a 21,000-word budget bill\u003c/a> with little public discussion. It wasn’t until late last year, after the public utility commission began soliciting feedback on the proposal it had been tasked by the Legislature to come up with, that legislators began sounding the alarm and introducing new legislation to reverse course.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom’s office declined to comment on the current legislation. But in January, a spokesperson for the administration told reporters that the governor “looks forward to seeing a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kcra.com/article/california-backpedal-new-electricity-rates-income-based/46586910\">commission proposal that is consistent\u003c/a>” with the 2022 budget bill language\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Electrification vs. conservation\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>It’s not a coincidence that utilities in eco-conscious, politically blue California are rare among the nation’s power providers in doing without fixed charges. Sticking high energy users, believed to be higher income households, with more of the bill has always appeared to align with the state’s economically progressive bent. Charging more per unit of electricity also promotes energy efficiency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘We are sending entirely the wrong price signals and it’s undermining decarbonisation.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Severin Borenstein, report author","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Environmental advocates who oppose the change aren’t keen on lessening the current financial penalty for being an energy hog.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s going to have this perverse impact of incentivizing wasting energy, encouraging people to buy the biggest car, the biggest house, leaving the lights on,” said Laura Deehan, state director of Environment California, at a digital press conference on Tuesday. The change would also further discourage the uptake of rooftop solar panels, she warned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s already been a punishing few years for the rooftop solar industry in California. In 2022, the public utilities commission \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/environment/climate-change/2024/01/california-solar-demand-plummets/\">cut the payment that panel owners\u003c/a> receive for the excess energy they pipe back onto the grid. By lowering the per-unit cost of electricity that panel owners forgo, this year’s change would further chip away at the benefit of going solar, while also sticking those households with an unavoidable monthly fee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“High fixed charges pick winners and losers,” explained Bernadette Del Chiaro, executive director of the California Solar & Storage Association, in an email. “The winners are high energy users. The losers are low energy users. Adding solar and batteries to your home can also make you a low energy user. So, yes, we have a dog in the fight.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“But the numbers of non-solar users impacted by this are much larger,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://flo.uri.sh/visualisation/17622062/embed?auto=1\" width=\"800\" height=\"500\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Winners and losers\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Who those affected customers are is its own spirited debate. The biggest losers will be middle income households who just miss the cut-off for a discount and who currently have small energy bills. The biggest winners will be the biggest users.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“High usage customers tend to be wealthier people who can afford to pay these energy bills,“ said Josh Plaisted, founder of the engineering and regulator consulting firm Flagstaff Research, which conducted analysis of the proposed change for the Clean Coalition, a nonprofit that promotes policies that support rooftop solar, microgrids and other non-utility-based energy systems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under the fixed charge proposal, “a home with a backyard pool in Walnut Creek is rocking it,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters counter that while higher income households do tend to use more energy, the \u003ca href=\"https://haas.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/WP330.pdf\">relationship isn’t as consistent as one might think (PDF)\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of all the things that determine whether a house uses a lot of energy or a little, income isn’t as important as local climate, household size and the efficiency of the building, said Chhabra. Wealthier families are more likely to have better insulated homes, solar panels on their roofs and live in expensive coastal cities, all of which tend to result in lower electric bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Once you start looking through the details, a generic assumption like that just doesn’t hold,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For now the debate may be more symbolic than meaningful. While the biggest winners and losers under the proposed policy stand to see their yearly utility spending change by a few hundred dollars, both supporters and opponents concede that most customers will fall somewhere in the middle. Many may not even notice the change. Meanwhile, the change won’t affect commercial or industrial customers at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Related Stories ","postid":"science_1992348,news_11981173,news_11970332"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>That’s not enough to break the bank for most, but nor is it likely to make the difference for a household weighing a gas versus an electric hot water heater. “Connecting the fixed charge with ‘this enables electrification’ just rings hollow,” said Plaisted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Efile/G000/M528/K422/528422138.PDF\">CPUC estimates (PDF)\u003c/a> that a typical household that goes fully electric — swapping out its gas-powered space and water heaters, its oven and its dryer with grid-powered alternatives — would save between $12 and $19 per month on their electric bill as a result of the new rate change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chhabra argued that the effect that a reduced rate will have on conservation is also likely to be negligible. California’s electric prices are “still the highest in the country, save Hawaii, right?” he said. “So there’s still enough signal there.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But as California continues its campaign to wean itself off fossil fuels, the divide among environmental advocates and other members of the Democratic coalition who shape state energy policy isn’t likely to go away anytime soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are trying to balance conservation, efficiency, electrification and fairness,” said Chhabra. “And you can’t give the best thing for everything all at once.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11983622/why-california-environmentalists-are-divided-over-plan-to-change-power-utility-rates","authors":["byline_news_11983622"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_1066","news_20588","news_27626"],"affiliates":["news_18481"],"featImg":"news_11983626","label":"news_18481"},"news_11981173":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11981173","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11981173","score":null,"sort":[1711666845000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"california-regulators-propose-significant-changes-to-electricity-bills","title":"California Regulators Propose Significant Changes to Electricity Bills","publishDate":1711666845,"format":"standard","headTitle":"California Regulators Propose Significant Changes to Electricity Bills | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>State utility regulators have \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-proposal-would-cut-the-price-of-residential-electricity-under-new-billing-structure-2024\">proposed reducing \u003c/a>the cost of residential electricity bills for lower-income Californians and those living in parts of the state most impacted by extreme weather — mainly heat. The changes would also incentivize electrifying personal cars and in-home appliances.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A big reason for the proposal is how California’s largest power companies currently calculate rates. The more power you use, the more money you pay — not just for electricity but also for things like maintaining the grid and reducing wildfire risk. When the temperature spikes, so do electricity bills, leaving some customers with monthly payments over $500.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>What is the proposed change? \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The\u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Efile/G000/M528/K422/528422138.PDF\"> proposal\u003c/a> applies to large investor-owned utilities like PG&E. It would divide monthly energy bills into two parts:\u003c/p>\n\u003col>\n\u003cli>A “flat rate” that covers infrastructure costs like wires and transformers. That rate would be $24.15 and less for income-qualifying customers in the\u003ca href=\"https://url.us.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/er4LCG69GouAjRPoUpENhI?domain=cpuc.ca.gov\"> California Alternate Rates for Energy\u003c/a> (CARE) (the rate would be $6) or\u003ca href=\"https://url.us.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/pitBCJ6PLruK0v2PiL12KH?domain=cpuc.ca.gov\"> Family Electric Rate Assistance Program\u003c/a> (FERA) programs (the rate would be $12).\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>A “usage rate,” which is how much you pay for a unit of electricity. This rate would be 5–7 cents per kilowatt hour lower than the current electricity rate.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ol>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Whose bills would go down? \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The changes are designed to bring down the bills of lower-income Californians, especially those living inland where it is hotter and the need for air conditioning is higher.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During peak hours, when electricity is in the most demand and the most expensive, rates for customers of the state’s big three utilities — Pacific Gas & Electric, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas & Electric — would fall between 8% and 9.8%. That means the average customer in Fresno, where temperatures were at or above 100 F for\u003ca href=\"https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/fresno/93702/july-weather/327144?year=2023\"> 17 days last July\u003c/a>, would save about $33 during the summer months, according to the California Public Utilities Commission.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There would also be a reduction in bills for customers who electrify their homes or vehicles, regardless of income or location.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People who own electric cars and charge them at home would save about $25 per month on average, while people who have fully electrified their homes — including replacing gas-powered stoves — would save about $19 per month. Other customers whose bills are not impacted as much by the weather would likely see an increase.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Whose bills would go up? \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Some non-lower-income customers may see an increase in their bills, and people who have rooftop solar may also see an increase in their monthly bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mohit Chhabra, who works on electricity pricing at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said the average non-low-income customer’s bills will either stay the same or go up by around $10 a month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Wealthy solar customers are the most likely to pay more. In our estimate, they’re likely to pay between $10 and $20 more a month,” Chhabra said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Why do we need this? \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Proponents of the changes say customers with low income are paying more than their fair share of the costs of maintaining the electricity grid, and this will change that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California is one of the only states that doesn’t already have a fixed charge for its largest utilities, and the state Legislature ordered regulators in 2022 to implement one by July 1 of this year. Since then, power bills have only gotten more expensive. Regulators approved an average increase of \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/pge-rates-california-wildfires-99be6963a57b1f4812a056be93cec50f\">$32 per month\u003c/a> for Pacific Gas & Electric Company customers just last year. The average price per kilowatt hour of electricity for California’s big three utilities — Pacific Gas & Electric, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas & Electric — is about 36 cents, compared to the national average of 17 cents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The changes will shrink the price per unit of electricity for everyone and, therefore, encourage electrification, reducing fossil fuel emissions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Customers need to want to electrify,” Chhabra said from the NRDC. “Currently, when they electrify their homes, they wouldn’t necessarily reduce their household energy bill. With this change, they will start saving money.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The proposal will bring California investor-owned utilities in line with publicly-owned utilities and utilities in other states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The proposal will be up for a vote on May 9. In the meantime, members of the public\u003ca href=\"https://apps.cpuc.ca.gov/apex/f?p=401:56::::RP,57,RIR:P5_PROCEEDING_SELECT:R2207005\"> can comment online\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Reactions for — and against\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The prospect of a new charge that could raise some people’s rates has prompted backlash from some state and federal lawmakers. In the state Legislature, a group of Democrats led by Assemblymember Jacqui Irwin has introduced legislation that would cap the fixed charge at $10 for most people and $5 for people with low incomes. Irwin said the California Public Utilities Commission “is out of touch with consumers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need to prioritize driving down consumer’s overall bills, not redistributing the ever-increasing (investor-owned utilities) electric rates,” Irwin said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Predictable Power Coalition, which includes the big three utilities, called the fixed rate “vital” and said the proposal “is a step in the right direction.” Some of the state’s most well-known consumer advocates, including The Utility Reform Network and the California Public Advocates Office, support the proposal because they say it would make utility bills more affordable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others, including the solar industry, worry that if electricity rates are cheaper during peak hours, people won’t conserve as much energy. California has struggled at times to have enough electricity during these periods, especially during extreme heat waves, which caused some \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/business-health-environment-and-nature-california-coronavirus-pandemic-f3357dc4bf75ea982aaeebbe65622ad9\">rolling blackouts in 2020\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If approved, the new billing structure would go into effect in late 2025 or early 2026.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story includes reporting by Adam Beam from The Associated Press.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The California Public Utilities Commission proposes a fixed charge on a portion of power bills that would ensure lower-income consumers pay less, especially in times of extreme weather.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1711670077,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":24,"wordCount":992},"headData":{"title":"California Regulators Propose Significant Changes to Electricity Bills | KQED","description":"The California Public Utilities Commission proposes a fixed charge on a portion of power bills that would ensure lower-income consumers pay less, especially in times of extreme weather.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"California Regulators Propose Significant Changes to Electricity Bills","datePublished":"2024-03-28T23:00:45.000Z","dateModified":"2024-03-28T23:54:37.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11981173/california-regulators-propose-significant-changes-to-electricity-bills","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>State utility regulators have \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-proposal-would-cut-the-price-of-residential-electricity-under-new-billing-structure-2024\">proposed reducing \u003c/a>the cost of residential electricity bills for lower-income Californians and those living in parts of the state most impacted by extreme weather — mainly heat. The changes would also incentivize electrifying personal cars and in-home appliances.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A big reason for the proposal is how California’s largest power companies currently calculate rates. The more power you use, the more money you pay — not just for electricity but also for things like maintaining the grid and reducing wildfire risk. When the temperature spikes, so do electricity bills, leaving some customers with monthly payments over $500.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>What is the proposed change? \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The\u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Efile/G000/M528/K422/528422138.PDF\"> proposal\u003c/a> applies to large investor-owned utilities like PG&E. It would divide monthly energy bills into two parts:\u003c/p>\n\u003col>\n\u003cli>A “flat rate” that covers infrastructure costs like wires and transformers. That rate would be $24.15 and less for income-qualifying customers in the\u003ca href=\"https://url.us.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/er4LCG69GouAjRPoUpENhI?domain=cpuc.ca.gov\"> California Alternate Rates for Energy\u003c/a> (CARE) (the rate would be $6) or\u003ca href=\"https://url.us.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/pitBCJ6PLruK0v2PiL12KH?domain=cpuc.ca.gov\"> Family Electric Rate Assistance Program\u003c/a> (FERA) programs (the rate would be $12).\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>A “usage rate,” which is how much you pay for a unit of electricity. This rate would be 5–7 cents per kilowatt hour lower than the current electricity rate.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ol>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Whose bills would go down? \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The changes are designed to bring down the bills of lower-income Californians, especially those living inland where it is hotter and the need for air conditioning is higher.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During peak hours, when electricity is in the most demand and the most expensive, rates for customers of the state’s big three utilities — Pacific Gas & Electric, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas & Electric — would fall between 8% and 9.8%. That means the average customer in Fresno, where temperatures were at or above 100 F for\u003ca href=\"https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/fresno/93702/july-weather/327144?year=2023\"> 17 days last July\u003c/a>, would save about $33 during the summer months, according to the California Public Utilities Commission.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There would also be a reduction in bills for customers who electrify their homes or vehicles, regardless of income or location.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People who own electric cars and charge them at home would save about $25 per month on average, while people who have fully electrified their homes — including replacing gas-powered stoves — would save about $19 per month. Other customers whose bills are not impacted as much by the weather would likely see an increase.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Whose bills would go up? \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Some non-lower-income customers may see an increase in their bills, and people who have rooftop solar may also see an increase in their monthly bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mohit Chhabra, who works on electricity pricing at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said the average non-low-income customer’s bills will either stay the same or go up by around $10 a month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Wealthy solar customers are the most likely to pay more. In our estimate, they’re likely to pay between $10 and $20 more a month,” Chhabra said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Why do we need this? \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Proponents of the changes say customers with low income are paying more than their fair share of the costs of maintaining the electricity grid, and this will change that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California is one of the only states that doesn’t already have a fixed charge for its largest utilities, and the state Legislature ordered regulators in 2022 to implement one by July 1 of this year. Since then, power bills have only gotten more expensive. Regulators approved an average increase of \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/pge-rates-california-wildfires-99be6963a57b1f4812a056be93cec50f\">$32 per month\u003c/a> for Pacific Gas & Electric Company customers just last year. The average price per kilowatt hour of electricity for California’s big three utilities — Pacific Gas & Electric, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas & Electric — is about 36 cents, compared to the national average of 17 cents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The changes will shrink the price per unit of electricity for everyone and, therefore, encourage electrification, reducing fossil fuel emissions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Customers need to want to electrify,” Chhabra said from the NRDC. “Currently, when they electrify their homes, they wouldn’t necessarily reduce their household energy bill. With this change, they will start saving money.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The proposal will bring California investor-owned utilities in line with publicly-owned utilities and utilities in other states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The proposal will be up for a vote on May 9. In the meantime, members of the public\u003ca href=\"https://apps.cpuc.ca.gov/apex/f?p=401:56::::RP,57,RIR:P5_PROCEEDING_SELECT:R2207005\"> can comment online\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Reactions for — and against\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The prospect of a new charge that could raise some people’s rates has prompted backlash from some state and federal lawmakers. In the state Legislature, a group of Democrats led by Assemblymember Jacqui Irwin has introduced legislation that would cap the fixed charge at $10 for most people and $5 for people with low incomes. Irwin said the California Public Utilities Commission “is out of touch with consumers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need to prioritize driving down consumer’s overall bills, not redistributing the ever-increasing (investor-owned utilities) electric rates,” Irwin said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Predictable Power Coalition, which includes the big three utilities, called the fixed rate “vital” and said the proposal “is a step in the right direction.” Some of the state’s most well-known consumer advocates, including The Utility Reform Network and the California Public Advocates Office, support the proposal because they say it would make utility bills more affordable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others, including the solar industry, worry that if electricity rates are cheaper during peak hours, people won’t conserve as much energy. California has struggled at times to have enough electricity during these periods, especially during extreme heat waves, which caused some \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/business-health-environment-and-nature-california-coronavirus-pandemic-f3357dc4bf75ea982aaeebbe65622ad9\">rolling blackouts in 2020\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If approved, the new billing structure would go into effect in late 2025 or early 2026.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story includes reporting by Adam Beam from The Associated Press.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11981173/california-regulators-propose-significant-changes-to-electricity-bills","authors":["8648"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_18538","news_1066","news_1092","news_31571","news_23900"],"featImg":"news_11981177","label":"news"},"news_11979311":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11979311","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11979311","score":null,"sort":[1710368528000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"san-mateo-county-leaders-take-stand-against-atts-bid-to-scrap-landline-service","title":"San Mateo County Leaders Take Stand Against AT&T's Bid to Scrap Landline Service","publishDate":1710368528,"format":"standard","headTitle":"San Mateo County Leaders Take Stand Against AT&T’s Bid to Scrap Landline Service | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>San Mateo County supervisors this week unanimously opposed AT&T’s effort to eliminate landlines in much of the county, arguing that the move would be detrimental to residents in rural and coastal areas where cell service is often unreliable or nonexistent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Today, in 2024, because of business decisions, a short distance from the heart of Silicon Valley, we have residents who are living without access to reliable communications other than copper landlines,” Supervisor Ray Mueller, whose district spans rural areas and much of the county’s coast, including Half Moon Bay and Pescadero, said during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The board voted to draft a resolution opposing a request AT&T submitted last year to state regulators \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/att-wants-to-remove-landline-service-california-18659093.php\">to no longer be\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/industries-and-topics/internet-and-phone/att-colr-etc-proceedings\">California’s Carrier of Last Resort\u003c/a> – or COLR – across much of the state. That designation has long required the company to provide basic telephone service, typically as a landline, to millions of residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mueller, who is set to introduce the resolution at the next Board meeting, said landlines are a crucial and generally more reliable means of communication for many of his constituents, particularly during power outages and other emergencies.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Ray Mueller, San Mateo County supervisor\"]‘Today, in 2024, because of business decisions, a short distance from the heart of Silicon Valley, we have residents who are living without access to reliable communications other than copper landlines.’[/pullquote]“The majority of residents on the San Mateo County coast and in our hillside regions would be adversely affected by this because cellphone coverage is so unreliable,” he said. “These landlines really serve as their only means of communication reliably.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The county’s resolution opposing the cuts in service follows\u003cbr>\nAt Tuesday’s meeting, Tedi Vriheas, AT&T’s vice president of external affairs for California and Nevada, sought to reassure supervisors that the company would not cut landlines where no other reliable alternatives exist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you have a landline today in your house, and it is the only means of communication and there’s no alternatives, and wireless isn’t an alternative, you will keep that landline in your home,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California is the 21st state where AT&T has sought to be relieved of its COLR obligations, according to Vriheas. Alternatives are “being rolled out in other states,” she added but declined to provide specific details.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Mueller said AT&T had yet to clearly articulate its definition of suitable “alternatives” and “reliability.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Until they have ironed out what they mean by all of this, we need to oppose this application because it’s a threat to the public safety of residents,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Public Utilities Commission is scheduled to hold two more public hearings on AT&T’s application later this month, and then hear testimony from the company and opposing parties. The agency could make a decision later this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Mateo is not the only county in the region to push back against the proposed cuts to service. Santa Cruz County supervisors \u003ca href=\"https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2024/02/13/santa-cruz-county-supervisors-oppose-att-landline-proposal/\">voted last month\u003c/a> to oppose the move. And Santa Clara County supervisors on Tuesday \u003ca href=\"https://www.mv-voice.com/santa-clara-county/2024/03/12/santa-clara-county-board-of-supervisors-weighs-in-on-att-proposal-to-withdraw-traditional-landline-service-in-california/\">unanimously approved a motion\u003c/a> to weigh in on the process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in San Mateo County, Ann, a resident of Moss Beach, told supervisors on Tuesday that while she has a cellphone, her reception is spotty at best, and she only uses her landline.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And if it wasn’t for that, I would not feel safe on the coast at all,” she said, noting the frequency of power outages in her area. “As wonderful as cellphones are, they’re not the most reliable on the coast. And so, I think it’s really important that the alternative methods be tested and make sure that [they] will be available during power outages.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She added, “It could be life or death for people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The Board of Supervisors unanimously opposed AT&T’s push to eliminate landlines in much of the county, arguing the move would be a 'threat to the public safety' for residents in rural and coastal areas where cellular service is often unreliable or nonexistent.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1710369773,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":16,"wordCount":692},"headData":{"title":"San Mateo County Leaders Take Stand Against AT&T's Bid to Scrap Landline Service | KQED","description":"The Board of Supervisors unanimously opposed AT&T’s push to eliminate landlines in much of the county, arguing the move would be a 'threat to the public safety' for residents in rural and coastal areas where cellular service is often unreliable or nonexistent.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"San Mateo County Leaders Take Stand Against AT&T's Bid to Scrap Landline Service","datePublished":"2024-03-13T22:22:08.000Z","dateModified":"2024-03-13T22:42:53.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11979311/san-mateo-county-leaders-take-stand-against-atts-bid-to-scrap-landline-service","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>San Mateo County supervisors this week unanimously opposed AT&T’s effort to eliminate landlines in much of the county, arguing that the move would be detrimental to residents in rural and coastal areas where cell service is often unreliable or nonexistent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Today, in 2024, because of business decisions, a short distance from the heart of Silicon Valley, we have residents who are living without access to reliable communications other than copper landlines,” Supervisor Ray Mueller, whose district spans rural areas and much of the county’s coast, including Half Moon Bay and Pescadero, said during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The board voted to draft a resolution opposing a request AT&T submitted last year to state regulators \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/att-wants-to-remove-landline-service-california-18659093.php\">to no longer be\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/industries-and-topics/internet-and-phone/att-colr-etc-proceedings\">California’s Carrier of Last Resort\u003c/a> – or COLR – across much of the state. That designation has long required the company to provide basic telephone service, typically as a landline, to millions of residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mueller, who is set to introduce the resolution at the next Board meeting, said landlines are a crucial and generally more reliable means of communication for many of his constituents, particularly during power outages and other emergencies.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘Today, in 2024, because of business decisions, a short distance from the heart of Silicon Valley, we have residents who are living without access to reliable communications other than copper landlines.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Ray Mueller, San Mateo County supervisor","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“The majority of residents on the San Mateo County coast and in our hillside regions would be adversely affected by this because cellphone coverage is so unreliable,” he said. “These landlines really serve as their only means of communication reliably.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The county’s resolution opposing the cuts in service follows\u003cbr>\nAt Tuesday’s meeting, Tedi Vriheas, AT&T’s vice president of external affairs for California and Nevada, sought to reassure supervisors that the company would not cut landlines where no other reliable alternatives exist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you have a landline today in your house, and it is the only means of communication and there’s no alternatives, and wireless isn’t an alternative, you will keep that landline in your home,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California is the 21st state where AT&T has sought to be relieved of its COLR obligations, according to Vriheas. Alternatives are “being rolled out in other states,” she added but declined to provide specific details.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Mueller said AT&T had yet to clearly articulate its definition of suitable “alternatives” and “reliability.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Until they have ironed out what they mean by all of this, we need to oppose this application because it’s a threat to the public safety of residents,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Public Utilities Commission is scheduled to hold two more public hearings on AT&T’s application later this month, and then hear testimony from the company and opposing parties. The agency could make a decision later this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Mateo is not the only county in the region to push back against the proposed cuts to service. Santa Cruz County supervisors \u003ca href=\"https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2024/02/13/santa-cruz-county-supervisors-oppose-att-landline-proposal/\">voted last month\u003c/a> to oppose the move. And Santa Clara County supervisors on Tuesday \u003ca href=\"https://www.mv-voice.com/santa-clara-county/2024/03/12/santa-clara-county-board-of-supervisors-weighs-in-on-att-proposal-to-withdraw-traditional-landline-service-in-california/\">unanimously approved a motion\u003c/a> to weigh in on the process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in San Mateo County, Ann, a resident of Moss Beach, told supervisors on Tuesday that while she has a cellphone, her reception is spotty at best, and she only uses her landline.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And if it wasn’t for that, I would not feel safe on the coast at all,” she said, noting the frequency of power outages in her area. “As wonderful as cellphones are, they’re not the most reliable on the coast. And so, I think it’s really important that the alternative methods be tested and make sure that [they] will be available during power outages.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She added, “It could be life or death for people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11979311/san-mateo-county-leaders-take-stand-against-atts-bid-to-scrap-landline-service","authors":["11896","11603"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_23119","news_1066","news_33628"],"featImg":"news_11979317","label":"news"},"news_11969443":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11969443","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11969443","score":null,"sort":[1702292406000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"pges-ceo-on-the-future-of-the-beleaguered-utility","title":"PG&E's CEO on the Future of the Beleaguered Utility","publishDate":1702292406,"format":"audio","headTitle":"PG&E’s CEO on the Future of the Beleaguered Utility | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">View the full episode transcript.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"card card--enclosed grey\">\n\u003cp id=\"embed-code\" class=\"inconsolata\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Patti Poppe started a new job as CEO of PG&E in 2021, after the company emerged from bankruptcy for the second time in two decades. She sat down with KQED’s Marisa Lagos and Scott Shafer of the Political Breakdown podcast to discuss the future of the utility.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp id=\"embed-code\" class=\"inconsolata\">\n\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3044869307&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\n\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong> I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Patti Poppe started a new job as CEO of Pacific Gas and Electric in 2021 after the company emerged from bankruptcy for the second time in two decades. And Poppe’s got her work cut out for her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>She leads a company that’s lost a lot of trust from customers who are now footing the bill for PG&E’s efforts to adapt to the threat of more wildfires. So today on the Bay, Poppe sits down with my colleagues Scott Shafer and Marisa Lagos of the Political Breakdown podcast to answer some tough questions. As the leader of California’s largest public utility. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, before we talk about your current role, I do want to go back. You grew up in Michigan. I think your mom was a school principal and teacher. Your dad was a nuclear engineer. And I mean, this is a very big job in an area that does not have that historically always had women leaders. I’m curious, like how your parents jobs and your upbringing informed your career path?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Oh, well, that’s a great question. You know, I always would I always say my dad taught me how to be an engineer and my mom taught me how to be a leader. She was a great school principal. We all know that schools are such important places in the lives of so many people. And she was a great principal and a great leader for her teachers. So I got to see her do that, and that was always inspiring to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Well, and as Marisa said, you were probably found yourself being the only woman or one of the few women in rooms, whether it was in the corporate suites or even in some of the undergrad and business school and post-grad classes you took you took some really male, male oriented style engineering, industrial engineering, I mean, GM. What was that like? What did you learn from that? What difference would it make to have you in the room with those guys?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, since I had six sisters at home, I probably had plenty of women in my life telling me what to do. I was the baby, so I got lots of instruction, let’s just say. But I think growing up in automotive as an operator, as an engineer, you know, my dad really wanted me to be an engineer. He inspired and encouraged me to do so. None of my other sisters had been engineers, so I was sort of his last, last ditch effort to get one out of the bunch. And so I’m in this great pride and joy that way. But, you know, growing up in automotive, it was an interesting era at General Motors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>There actually were more women than you might expect. Mary Barra, the CEO at General Motors, she and I were contemporaries. She was a little bit ahead of me, but we had a lot of other really amazing women in operations. And so I grew up not actually thinking it was that strange. In fact, I felt like it was very well-received. And and maybe in some ways it was an advantage because people wanted to have more diverse leadership. And so maybe I got tested a little more early and pushed further and faster and, you know, was able to deliver when called. And so I feel good about what General Motors prepared me for professionally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>How did you make the leap into energy? You went to DC Energy and then CMS. I think they’re both also investor in utilities in Michigan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>That’s right. That’s right. My well, my dad actually worked for Consumers Energy, CMS, Energy. So he retired from CMS. Energy had done built nuclear power plants around the country. And so I was familiar with energy, but had been in automotive and really at General Motors. We had to move around a lot. And I had young children and that’s one of the advantages of working for an energy company or a utility. We don’t have to move. And so my husband and I made a, you know, a family decision to settle in Michigan with our family and and raise our daughters. And so we we really made a personal decision that ended up being a really exciting professional move in the long run. Had I known, I had no idea at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>So you ended up transitioning to PG&E. You were hired roughly 2020. And, you know, that was a time when the company was still, you know, in bankruptcy emergency, emerging from bankruptcy, dealing with the aftermath of some devastating fires. What made you think that’s the job I want?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>That’s super easy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, well, I did feel like I could help. I watched from afar what was happening here in California and specifically for Pigeon is such an iconic company. After everything the company had been through and the the customers and our communities had been through. I felt like PGE really needed an operating oriented leader. And I got a lot of calls. A lot of people called and asked me to consider taking the job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>And the first several calls, I was like, No, no, no. You know, I’m I’m in a great place in my hometown. Lived next door to my sister and next door to my dad. There was no reason for me to move. But then, as I really considered the seriousness of what was happening here, I. I truly felt compelled to come and make a difference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So it sounds like you wanted the challenge, because one of the things like prepping for this, I’m counting them up. I mean, before you arrived, the company had pled guilty or been found guilty of 90 felony counts and faced more like that. Feels like a bit of a red flag. I mean, what was your thought in terms of like what you could bring to the table that might be different?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Well, I knew what it meant to run a very strong ethical and safe company, and I knew it was possible for PGD to. And what I know is that the people who work for Jini are not criminals. These are not bad people who set out to do harm. The people, the kind of people who are attracted to a utility and the kind of people who are attracted to PGE are your neighbors, your friends, your family. That set out to have a career at a company where they know they can make a difference in their hometown. And I wanted those people to feel valued and respected again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Can I push back that? I mean, yes, the line folks, I think, are all members of our community. But I mean, this is a company we were both there on the scene when San Bruno blew up. Right. This natural gas explosion. And that was just the first of many investigations that found shoddy record keeping, lying to regulators, covering up things in order to maximize profits. Like, can you say that everybody really had the community’s best interest in lines historically?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah. So maybe I’m I’m talking generally there’s always the risk of bad apples for sure. And I guess maybe what I’m saying is that I knew that a company like this could be run well and that could be trustworthy, and that with the right kind of leadership and the right kind of focus on what is happening on the ground every day, not distracted by, you know, what’s new and interesting in the globe, but really focused on what’s happening here today. This company could be really important for the clean energy transition, for the ambitions of the state and the ambitions of the globe to thwart the effects of climate change. This company is essential to California’s ambition and the world’s I mean, we have no choice cast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>We have no choice. We have to pay you guys, no matter what, as people who live in this region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>You said a moment ago that you thought that you could be an ethical ethically run company, which suggests that there were things that happened before you got there that weren’t so ethical. What what were you thinking?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, you know, I don’t I wasn’t here. And so it’s very hard for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>But you must have looked at that pattern right before you took the job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>I mean, I saw the results of a lot of things that contributed to the outcomes that were so devastating to so many. And I knew that that did not have to be our future and that did not have to be the reality for the citizens of California who are served by PGE and that we could be a force for good. And so that that is really what I have been relentlessly focused on since the day I got here. My focus is on making sure that we are trustworthy, that we are honest and ethical and safe, and that we are doing what is necessary every single day to make it safer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Can I ask about the very structure of investor owned utilities? As somebody who did not come from a business or energy world? As I have covered and I’ve covered PGE and a lot of these tragedies for the last 20 years. Why should a public utility be publicly traded? Like, why should something that we all rely on be subject to the whims of Wall Street, the desire to, you know, make shareholders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Quarterly earnings reports?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah. And and isn’t that in itself a conflict?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, that is a great question. And I will tell you, when I left automotive and went to the energy industry and I was I was running power plants, I had the same thought. I thought, wow, we why is it where we need to make a profit here? Shouldn’t we be doing like our public good? And then the more I learned and the more I understood, particularly the business model, where we have to attract huge sums of capital to invest in the infrastructure because customers don’t pay for that every they don’t pay for it real time. Customers make a mortgage payment, if you will, on all of the assets. But we have to get the money from the capital markets. And so what I learned is that investor owned utilities actually do have to compete.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>We have to compete for capital. And when we compete for capital, we are benchmarked like crazy. Wall Street actually is a very important leg of the stool to make sure that we do good work. And when we don’t do good work, Wall Street exits. And so the fact that we have to attract capital actually helps create some real tension around our performance relative to our peers. And I can tell you, they rack and stack us and PGE was at the bottom of the list.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>When you say performance though, does that mean financial performance? Or?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>I think you might be surprised. Our investors recognize that there’s a virtuous cycle. It starts with serving customers. When you serve customers well and you keep the system safe, then regulators are more apt to be able to approve the things that you need to invest in that. That’s when the investor gives their return. But they know if you lose trust with your regulator, you lose trust with your customers, You’re not going to get easy yeses and and follow through and support for your ambitions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>You know, the company, of course, went into bankruptcy, which is a way of restructuring debt. And, you know, a lot of people see that as a way of escaping responsibility with rate payers. In fact, many in Wall Street on Wall Street made kind of a killing. Some of the hedge funds and others, You know, how do you respond to that criticism? You know, that the only real winner of all that was was the company and the shareholders?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And the company did come out very similar. Right. I mean, it’s structured the same at least.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, it is structured the same. And the state did have an option. I mean, the state had a choice to split up PG&E, or municipalizePG&E at that moment. But I think when they looked at all the calculus, the idea of. A breaking up. The company actually was not in the best interest of the people that we serve. And I will say that the company was not absolved of the of the debts in many ways. We’re still at a subinvestment grade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>We still have to work very hard to attract capital from the capital markets. So there’s no doubt and a lot of investors lost it all. And I want to just clarify one thing. When we talk about shareholders, it’s kind of interesting to me because a shareholder at a utility, I want to tell you who we’re talking about. We are not talking about the hedge funds. We’re not talking about the big fat cats.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, we were for a small period.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>We were, when we were in bankruptcy because those things, you know. Yes. They know how to come in and make their move. But a good utility, a utility like PGE, our shareholders, our moms and pop’s, heck, you guys, probably our shareholders, you might not know it, Right. But in your retirement funds, in your 401. KS, in the firefighters funds, in the police funds and the teachers, they’re invested in utilities and they are invested in PG And so shareholders at PG and E, our moms and pops and I want to keep my promise to them too. They’ve entrusted their life savings to a mutual fund or something and asking for a little return to come back. That’s what you need delivers. When we deliver profits, we deliver profits for those moms and pops who are funding the infrastructure that keeps people safe in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I want to ask about corporate culture. We’ve been told that your motto is leading with love. And we mentioned earlier, you know, these decimating fires and natural gas explosion in San Bruno. Felony charges, bankruptcy. Like what was the morale like when you got there and how do you change that and potentially the culture of a company if that’s needed?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, culture change at PG is the number one priority because it’s through our people that we deliver what we do. And there is no doubt that people had were shaken about their role in the past, their role in the future. How do they make it right? It’s a big entity. What is PG and E and Leading with love is a fundamental tenet that I felt needed to interrupt business status quo to come in and say, Hello, I’m your new CEO and I lead with love. I got a lot of, like, reactions from them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Oh, yeah, she’s from Michigan, but, you know. Yeah. No, no, the Midwest for sure. And they they, you know, in fact, I had people say, you know what? You can’t say that you’re losing credibility. I said, All my friends get used to it because I think love is essential. Ingredient. Ingredient. You know, you look at professional athletes, for example, I’m a huge Golden State Warriors fan and have been for a long time, long before I moved here. Maybe that’s why I took the job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Draymond Green is from Michigan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, that’s true. Michigan State. But you know, the athletes very and the winning teams, of course they always talk about how they love their teammates, they love their coach, they love the players. Why is that full expression of joy of the game constrained to only professional athletes? Why we have you up here. There you go to talk about that. Hey, that’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Nice. You know, but in addition to the joy or maybe, you know, it adds to the joy are the salaries and the bonuses that a lot of the executives get. It’s a lot of money. I think you’re you make 51 million, I think, per year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>No, no, no, no. That was that was a one time Michael. I had already earned that money at my previous company. And the only way I wasn’t going to leave that on the table to take the job, so they paid me what I had made. 21 Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Okay. But there was also on the table, I think, $188 million in raises and bonuses for executives at a time when, you know, so many terrible things were happening. And I think a lot of people on the outside look and say, where is the accountability? Why do people working for companies that are either, you know, financially not doing well or doing bad things, you know, in out in the world, as with the wildfires and so on? Why are why are people getting rewarded?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, I will say this. To attract talent, there are market rates for leadership and and people can work a lot of places. When I joined Jeanie, the entire executive team was vacant, so there was no one there making money off what had happened. They had all been fired or had quit. I had to hire an entirely new team. I searched the entire world and the country for the best and brightest leaders, and I have to pay them to come. And they left good jobs. They did not need to come. There’s a market rate for talent, just like there’s a market rate for athletes, just like there’s a market rate for great radio broadcasters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Not the same as athletes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>You know, Nor is mine. But, you know, I think that that this idea that that to invest in leadership. Is essential to turning the company around. And so to invest in leadership, there darn better be a return on investment for customers and for our coworkers to have the right leaders in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, I want to talk about customers. We just saw approval of PG&E rates to go up for everyone in January. The average is going to be about $30 a month, which adds up over the course of a year to hundreds of dollars. Why is this happening? And especially given everything we’ve talked about, you know, you haven’t been CEO forever, but the customers have been paying for, you know, for a long time. And there’s been a lot in the past of evidence of not necessarily investing that money wisely or doing all the things that were promised under previous rates. So what’s the case? Two, two, two. And you already made it to the regulators, but to the rate payers that this is justified?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Well, first of all, I when I first got here, I heard a lot of people say to me, oh my gosh, Jeannie chose profits over safety. You didn’t invest in the infrastructure. Well, I will tell you, the leadership team at the helm of Jeannie is very focused on delivering the safe infrastructure that will stand the test of time. That does cost something. The the good news is that rate increase that we requested and it’s a four year rate increase. We hadn’t had one in a couple of years. We put in for this rate increase.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>There is some catch up for investments we’ve made in hardening the system and making the system safe to wildfire. We’ve had significant improvement in that area, which I’ll talk about. But the idea that over that four years, 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026, the average the compound average rate increase for each of those four years is going to be around 3%. It just so happens the first year is the biggest bump and then actually it will come down next year and come down again the next year. There’s some catch up between 23 and 2024 that is embedded in that increase that will get spread back out over time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>And that is largely to underground a lot of the wires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>That the undergrounding is a small piece. It’s a lot. 85% of it is safety and infrastructure, though, investments all over the system. And the undergrounding was a small piece of that increase that the the regulators really wanted to see us do more. Could we do more and didn’t want to write a blank check and yes, tell us to go collect those dollars before we proved we could do it. I’m happy to report that this year we will have underground 350 miles of line that we have never done that before, almost double what we’ve ever done before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And for years we heard that was way too expensive. And so is that as the technology changes, it’s just we’re at a point where that just needs to happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Two things. One, the comparison to building overhead conductor, which has been the standard to what we’re doing today, takes into account all the vegetation management that we’re doing today that we were not doing before. PGE spends 1.52 $1.8 billion a year taking down trees, that’s a problem. Yeah. California, we need to save the trees and we need to instead of investing over $1 billion a year, invest that same amount in a capital investment, You actually can invest in that undergrounding for less. It is lower cost so than what we are doing today or before we weren’t doing as much vegetation management, so it wasn’t as much of a trade. But today we have to do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>But didn’t the executives say they were doing it and a lot of it wasn’t getting done.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>I, I can’t actually I don’t know that. I don’t know that to be true.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Another question, though, How much of this the problem with wildfires and you know lines trees falling lines getting you know sparking and so on, how much of that can be resolved, do you think, from undergrounding versus new technology or hardening the system, adding resiliency?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>It is all of the above. And I will say on an underground and we talk about our 10,000 mile plan and I sometimes wish I had called it the 9442 mile plan because they’re very specific, Miles. These aren’t it isn’t an arbitrary 10,000. These are very specific high risk miles in the places where the trees are coming in contact with the lines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So in general, how would you explain to ratepayers sort of where we’re at? Because I think we’ve seen a pretty big increase over the past decade in all of the utilities in California, but we do have some of the highest rates in the country. And I think PJ&E is, you know, at 92% compared to like so Cal is like 89. I mean, it’s not a huge. But like, how do you explain that? What are we talking about here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, I do think California’s ambition to lead the clean energy transition has led us to take make decisions in the past to invest in the future, invest in renewable projects, invest in in solar, when it wasn’t necessarily the lowest cost choice, but it was the right. Environmental choice. And here’s what I think is a very exciting postcard from the Future Peoples Household Energy wallet. Let me just call this your one wallet. What you pay for gasoline in your car, electricity and natural gas will get smaller as we decarbonize the economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>And the more you transition to electric vehicles, the less you will spend on energy in total, because electricity is more efficient than gasoline and it is cheaper than gasoline by a lot. And so transitioning to electric vehicles, how much money a household spends on energy will go down as we decarbonize the economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Patti Poppe, the CEO of PG&E, speaking with KQED’s Scott Shafer. And Marisa Lagos on the Political Breakdown podcast, which you can find wherever you found the Bay. This episode was engineered by Christopher Beal and produced by Izzy Bloom. The Bay is a production of member supported KQED in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. 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She sat down with KQED’s Marisa Lagos and Scott Shafer of the Political Breakdown podcast to discuss the future of the utility.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp id=\"embed-code\" class=\"inconsolata\">\n\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3044869307&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\n\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong> I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Patti Poppe started a new job as CEO of Pacific Gas and Electric in 2021 after the company emerged from bankruptcy for the second time in two decades. And Poppe’s got her work cut out for her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>She leads a company that’s lost a lot of trust from customers who are now footing the bill for PG&E’s efforts to adapt to the threat of more wildfires. So today on the Bay, Poppe sits down with my colleagues Scott Shafer and Marisa Lagos of the Political Breakdown podcast to answer some tough questions. As the leader of California’s largest public utility. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, before we talk about your current role, I do want to go back. You grew up in Michigan. I think your mom was a school principal and teacher. Your dad was a nuclear engineer. And I mean, this is a very big job in an area that does not have that historically always had women leaders. I’m curious, like how your parents jobs and your upbringing informed your career path?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Oh, well, that’s a great question. You know, I always would I always say my dad taught me how to be an engineer and my mom taught me how to be a leader. She was a great school principal. We all know that schools are such important places in the lives of so many people. And she was a great principal and a great leader for her teachers. So I got to see her do that, and that was always inspiring to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Well, and as Marisa said, you were probably found yourself being the only woman or one of the few women in rooms, whether it was in the corporate suites or even in some of the undergrad and business school and post-grad classes you took you took some really male, male oriented style engineering, industrial engineering, I mean, GM. What was that like? What did you learn from that? What difference would it make to have you in the room with those guys?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, since I had six sisters at home, I probably had plenty of women in my life telling me what to do. I was the baby, so I got lots of instruction, let’s just say. But I think growing up in automotive as an operator, as an engineer, you know, my dad really wanted me to be an engineer. He inspired and encouraged me to do so. None of my other sisters had been engineers, so I was sort of his last, last ditch effort to get one out of the bunch. And so I’m in this great pride and joy that way. But, you know, growing up in automotive, it was an interesting era at General Motors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>There actually were more women than you might expect. Mary Barra, the CEO at General Motors, she and I were contemporaries. She was a little bit ahead of me, but we had a lot of other really amazing women in operations. And so I grew up not actually thinking it was that strange. In fact, I felt like it was very well-received. And and maybe in some ways it was an advantage because people wanted to have more diverse leadership. And so maybe I got tested a little more early and pushed further and faster and, you know, was able to deliver when called. And so I feel good about what General Motors prepared me for professionally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>How did you make the leap into energy? You went to DC Energy and then CMS. I think they’re both also investor in utilities in Michigan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>That’s right. That’s right. My well, my dad actually worked for Consumers Energy, CMS, Energy. So he retired from CMS. Energy had done built nuclear power plants around the country. And so I was familiar with energy, but had been in automotive and really at General Motors. We had to move around a lot. And I had young children and that’s one of the advantages of working for an energy company or a utility. We don’t have to move. And so my husband and I made a, you know, a family decision to settle in Michigan with our family and and raise our daughters. And so we we really made a personal decision that ended up being a really exciting professional move in the long run. Had I known, I had no idea at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>So you ended up transitioning to PG&E. You were hired roughly 2020. And, you know, that was a time when the company was still, you know, in bankruptcy emergency, emerging from bankruptcy, dealing with the aftermath of some devastating fires. What made you think that’s the job I want?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>That’s super easy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, well, I did feel like I could help. I watched from afar what was happening here in California and specifically for Pigeon is such an iconic company. After everything the company had been through and the the customers and our communities had been through. I felt like PGE really needed an operating oriented leader. And I got a lot of calls. A lot of people called and asked me to consider taking the job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>And the first several calls, I was like, No, no, no. You know, I’m I’m in a great place in my hometown. Lived next door to my sister and next door to my dad. There was no reason for me to move. But then, as I really considered the seriousness of what was happening here, I. I truly felt compelled to come and make a difference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So it sounds like you wanted the challenge, because one of the things like prepping for this, I’m counting them up. I mean, before you arrived, the company had pled guilty or been found guilty of 90 felony counts and faced more like that. Feels like a bit of a red flag. I mean, what was your thought in terms of like what you could bring to the table that might be different?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Well, I knew what it meant to run a very strong ethical and safe company, and I knew it was possible for PGD to. And what I know is that the people who work for Jini are not criminals. These are not bad people who set out to do harm. The people, the kind of people who are attracted to a utility and the kind of people who are attracted to PGE are your neighbors, your friends, your family. That set out to have a career at a company where they know they can make a difference in their hometown. And I wanted those people to feel valued and respected again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Can I push back that? I mean, yes, the line folks, I think, are all members of our community. But I mean, this is a company we were both there on the scene when San Bruno blew up. Right. This natural gas explosion. And that was just the first of many investigations that found shoddy record keeping, lying to regulators, covering up things in order to maximize profits. Like, can you say that everybody really had the community’s best interest in lines historically?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah. So maybe I’m I’m talking generally there’s always the risk of bad apples for sure. And I guess maybe what I’m saying is that I knew that a company like this could be run well and that could be trustworthy, and that with the right kind of leadership and the right kind of focus on what is happening on the ground every day, not distracted by, you know, what’s new and interesting in the globe, but really focused on what’s happening here today. This company could be really important for the clean energy transition, for the ambitions of the state and the ambitions of the globe to thwart the effects of climate change. This company is essential to California’s ambition and the world’s I mean, we have no choice cast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>We have no choice. We have to pay you guys, no matter what, as people who live in this region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>You said a moment ago that you thought that you could be an ethical ethically run company, which suggests that there were things that happened before you got there that weren’t so ethical. What what were you thinking?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, you know, I don’t I wasn’t here. And so it’s very hard for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>But you must have looked at that pattern right before you took the job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>I mean, I saw the results of a lot of things that contributed to the outcomes that were so devastating to so many. And I knew that that did not have to be our future and that did not have to be the reality for the citizens of California who are served by PGE and that we could be a force for good. And so that that is really what I have been relentlessly focused on since the day I got here. My focus is on making sure that we are trustworthy, that we are honest and ethical and safe, and that we are doing what is necessary every single day to make it safer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Can I ask about the very structure of investor owned utilities? As somebody who did not come from a business or energy world? As I have covered and I’ve covered PGE and a lot of these tragedies for the last 20 years. Why should a public utility be publicly traded? Like, why should something that we all rely on be subject to the whims of Wall Street, the desire to, you know, make shareholders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Quarterly earnings reports?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah. And and isn’t that in itself a conflict?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, that is a great question. And I will tell you, when I left automotive and went to the energy industry and I was I was running power plants, I had the same thought. I thought, wow, we why is it where we need to make a profit here? Shouldn’t we be doing like our public good? And then the more I learned and the more I understood, particularly the business model, where we have to attract huge sums of capital to invest in the infrastructure because customers don’t pay for that every they don’t pay for it real time. Customers make a mortgage payment, if you will, on all of the assets. But we have to get the money from the capital markets. And so what I learned is that investor owned utilities actually do have to compete.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>We have to compete for capital. And when we compete for capital, we are benchmarked like crazy. Wall Street actually is a very important leg of the stool to make sure that we do good work. And when we don’t do good work, Wall Street exits. And so the fact that we have to attract capital actually helps create some real tension around our performance relative to our peers. And I can tell you, they rack and stack us and PGE was at the bottom of the list.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>When you say performance though, does that mean financial performance? Or?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>I think you might be surprised. Our investors recognize that there’s a virtuous cycle. It starts with serving customers. When you serve customers well and you keep the system safe, then regulators are more apt to be able to approve the things that you need to invest in that. That’s when the investor gives their return. But they know if you lose trust with your regulator, you lose trust with your customers, You’re not going to get easy yeses and and follow through and support for your ambitions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>You know, the company, of course, went into bankruptcy, which is a way of restructuring debt. And, you know, a lot of people see that as a way of escaping responsibility with rate payers. In fact, many in Wall Street on Wall Street made kind of a killing. Some of the hedge funds and others, You know, how do you respond to that criticism? You know, that the only real winner of all that was was the company and the shareholders?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And the company did come out very similar. Right. I mean, it’s structured the same at least.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, it is structured the same. And the state did have an option. I mean, the state had a choice to split up PG&E, or municipalizePG&E at that moment. But I think when they looked at all the calculus, the idea of. A breaking up. The company actually was not in the best interest of the people that we serve. And I will say that the company was not absolved of the of the debts in many ways. We’re still at a subinvestment grade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>We still have to work very hard to attract capital from the capital markets. So there’s no doubt and a lot of investors lost it all. And I want to just clarify one thing. When we talk about shareholders, it’s kind of interesting to me because a shareholder at a utility, I want to tell you who we’re talking about. We are not talking about the hedge funds. We’re not talking about the big fat cats.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, we were for a small period.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>We were, when we were in bankruptcy because those things, you know. Yes. They know how to come in and make their move. But a good utility, a utility like PGE, our shareholders, our moms and pop’s, heck, you guys, probably our shareholders, you might not know it, Right. But in your retirement funds, in your 401. KS, in the firefighters funds, in the police funds and the teachers, they’re invested in utilities and they are invested in PG And so shareholders at PG and E, our moms and pops and I want to keep my promise to them too. They’ve entrusted their life savings to a mutual fund or something and asking for a little return to come back. That’s what you need delivers. When we deliver profits, we deliver profits for those moms and pops who are funding the infrastructure that keeps people safe in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I want to ask about corporate culture. We’ve been told that your motto is leading with love. And we mentioned earlier, you know, these decimating fires and natural gas explosion in San Bruno. Felony charges, bankruptcy. Like what was the morale like when you got there and how do you change that and potentially the culture of a company if that’s needed?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, culture change at PG is the number one priority because it’s through our people that we deliver what we do. And there is no doubt that people had were shaken about their role in the past, their role in the future. How do they make it right? It’s a big entity. What is PG and E and Leading with love is a fundamental tenet that I felt needed to interrupt business status quo to come in and say, Hello, I’m your new CEO and I lead with love. I got a lot of, like, reactions from them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Oh, yeah, she’s from Michigan, but, you know. Yeah. No, no, the Midwest for sure. And they they, you know, in fact, I had people say, you know what? You can’t say that you’re losing credibility. I said, All my friends get used to it because I think love is essential. Ingredient. Ingredient. You know, you look at professional athletes, for example, I’m a huge Golden State Warriors fan and have been for a long time, long before I moved here. Maybe that’s why I took the job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Draymond Green is from Michigan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, that’s true. Michigan State. But you know, the athletes very and the winning teams, of course they always talk about how they love their teammates, they love their coach, they love the players. Why is that full expression of joy of the game constrained to only professional athletes? Why we have you up here. There you go to talk about that. Hey, that’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Nice. You know, but in addition to the joy or maybe, you know, it adds to the joy are the salaries and the bonuses that a lot of the executives get. It’s a lot of money. I think you’re you make 51 million, I think, per year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>No, no, no, no. That was that was a one time Michael. I had already earned that money at my previous company. And the only way I wasn’t going to leave that on the table to take the job, so they paid me what I had made. 21 Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Okay. But there was also on the table, I think, $188 million in raises and bonuses for executives at a time when, you know, so many terrible things were happening. And I think a lot of people on the outside look and say, where is the accountability? Why do people working for companies that are either, you know, financially not doing well or doing bad things, you know, in out in the world, as with the wildfires and so on? Why are why are people getting rewarded?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, I will say this. To attract talent, there are market rates for leadership and and people can work a lot of places. When I joined Jeanie, the entire executive team was vacant, so there was no one there making money off what had happened. They had all been fired or had quit. I had to hire an entirely new team. I searched the entire world and the country for the best and brightest leaders, and I have to pay them to come. And they left good jobs. They did not need to come. There’s a market rate for talent, just like there’s a market rate for athletes, just like there’s a market rate for great radio broadcasters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Not the same as athletes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>You know, Nor is mine. But, you know, I think that that this idea that that to invest in leadership. Is essential to turning the company around. And so to invest in leadership, there darn better be a return on investment for customers and for our coworkers to have the right leaders in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, I want to talk about customers. We just saw approval of PG&E rates to go up for everyone in January. The average is going to be about $30 a month, which adds up over the course of a year to hundreds of dollars. Why is this happening? And especially given everything we’ve talked about, you know, you haven’t been CEO forever, but the customers have been paying for, you know, for a long time. And there’s been a lot in the past of evidence of not necessarily investing that money wisely or doing all the things that were promised under previous rates. So what’s the case? Two, two, two. And you already made it to the regulators, but to the rate payers that this is justified?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Well, first of all, I when I first got here, I heard a lot of people say to me, oh my gosh, Jeannie chose profits over safety. You didn’t invest in the infrastructure. Well, I will tell you, the leadership team at the helm of Jeannie is very focused on delivering the safe infrastructure that will stand the test of time. That does cost something. The the good news is that rate increase that we requested and it’s a four year rate increase. We hadn’t had one in a couple of years. We put in for this rate increase.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>There is some catch up for investments we’ve made in hardening the system and making the system safe to wildfire. We’ve had significant improvement in that area, which I’ll talk about. But the idea that over that four years, 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026, the average the compound average rate increase for each of those four years is going to be around 3%. It just so happens the first year is the biggest bump and then actually it will come down next year and come down again the next year. There’s some catch up between 23 and 2024 that is embedded in that increase that will get spread back out over time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>And that is largely to underground a lot of the wires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>That the undergrounding is a small piece. It’s a lot. 85% of it is safety and infrastructure, though, investments all over the system. And the undergrounding was a small piece of that increase that the the regulators really wanted to see us do more. Could we do more and didn’t want to write a blank check and yes, tell us to go collect those dollars before we proved we could do it. I’m happy to report that this year we will have underground 350 miles of line that we have never done that before, almost double what we’ve ever done before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And for years we heard that was way too expensive. And so is that as the technology changes, it’s just we’re at a point where that just needs to happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Two things. One, the comparison to building overhead conductor, which has been the standard to what we’re doing today, takes into account all the vegetation management that we’re doing today that we were not doing before. PGE spends 1.52 $1.8 billion a year taking down trees, that’s a problem. Yeah. California, we need to save the trees and we need to instead of investing over $1 billion a year, invest that same amount in a capital investment, You actually can invest in that undergrounding for less. It is lower cost so than what we are doing today or before we weren’t doing as much vegetation management, so it wasn’t as much of a trade. But today we have to do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>But didn’t the executives say they were doing it and a lot of it wasn’t getting done.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>I, I can’t actually I don’t know that. I don’t know that to be true.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Schafer: \u003c/strong>Another question, though, How much of this the problem with wildfires and you know lines trees falling lines getting you know sparking and so on, how much of that can be resolved, do you think, from undergrounding versus new technology or hardening the system, adding resiliency?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>It is all of the above. And I will say on an underground and we talk about our 10,000 mile plan and I sometimes wish I had called it the 9442 mile plan because they’re very specific, Miles. These aren’t it isn’t an arbitrary 10,000. These are very specific high risk miles in the places where the trees are coming in contact with the lines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So in general, how would you explain to ratepayers sort of where we’re at? Because I think we’ve seen a pretty big increase over the past decade in all of the utilities in California, but we do have some of the highest rates in the country. And I think PJ&E is, you know, at 92% compared to like so Cal is like 89. I mean, it’s not a huge. But like, how do you explain that? What are we talking about here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Well, I do think California’s ambition to lead the clean energy transition has led us to take make decisions in the past to invest in the future, invest in renewable projects, invest in in solar, when it wasn’t necessarily the lowest cost choice, but it was the right. Environmental choice. And here’s what I think is a very exciting postcard from the Future Peoples Household Energy wallet. Let me just call this your one wallet. What you pay for gasoline in your car, electricity and natural gas will get smaller as we decarbonize the economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>And the more you transition to electric vehicles, the less you will spend on energy in total, because electricity is more efficient than gasoline and it is cheaper than gasoline by a lot. And so transitioning to electric vehicles, how much money a household spends on energy will go down as we decarbonize the economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Patti Poppe: \u003c/strong>Yeah, Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Patti Poppe, the CEO of PG&E, speaking with KQED’s Scott Shafer. And Marisa Lagos on the Political Breakdown podcast, which you can find wherever you found the Bay. This episode was engineered by Christopher Beal and produced by Izzy Bloom. The Bay is a production of member supported KQED in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. 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Californians Already Struggling to Pay Utility Bills Fret Over Further Rate Increases","publishDate":1700827215,"format":"standard","headTitle":"‘Christmas Without Lights?’ Californians Already Struggling to Pay Utility Bills Fret Over Further Rate Increases | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":18481,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Angelica Vásquez’s anxiety soared when she read the notice on her most recent electric bill: “Please pay $135.81 by 10/26 to avoid service termination.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the warning was part of a bigger problem. Vásquez owed a total of $400.68 to Pacific Gas & Electric.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Brian Dahle, Republican state senator\"]‘The more money PG&E spends, the more they make, and that’s not right. We need to make sure that we’re holding them accountable, that we are getting the projects completed with the minimum amount of cost.’[/pullquote]For the past four months, the 43-year-old Salvadoran immigrant has been on disability leave from her job at Tesla due to a shoulder injury, she said. Vásquez has also been unable to do her second job, as a part-time house cleaner, to help pay the $3,000 monthly rent on the San Leandro house she shares with her husband, two daughters and two grandchildren.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the early hours of Nov. 9, Vásquez wanted to warm up the house for her grandchildren, who needed to shower and get ready for school. But there was no power. Vásquez said she immediately called PG&E and explained that she had no money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utility giant didn’t offer much help, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We had to borrow money,” Vásquez added, recounting the day her family remained without power until 11 p.m. “Our food went to waste, so we didn’t have lunch and dinner that day. There’s medicine in the fridge that no longer works.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11968156\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1568px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11968156\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11.jpeg\" alt=\"A utility bill showing a balance of $400.68.\" width=\"1568\" height=\"1045\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11.jpeg 1568w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1568px) 100vw, 1568px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Angelica Vásquez’s latest PG&E bill, on Nov. 10, 2023. \u003ccite>(Manuel Orbegozo/CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Vásquez is one of millions of residents across the state who have seen significant increases in their electric bills in recent years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bills for most PG&E customers are soon slated to rise again following the California Public Utilities Commission’s \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M520/K795/520795617.pdf\">approval last week of rate increases\u003c/a>, which the Oakland-based utility requested to pay for safety and reliability upgrades and inflation costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Starting in January, the average residential customer’s combined monthly electric and natural gas bill will increase by $32.62, or nearly 13%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.publicadvocates.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cal-advocates-website/files/reports/231026-caladvocates-q3-2023-quarterly-rate-report.pdf\">last electric rate report\u003c/a> by the commission’s Public Advocates Office, PG&E rates increased by 92% between January 2014 and September 2015.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are working to keep customer cost increases at or below assumed inflation for the long term, between an average of 2 and 4% a year. We reduced our operating costs by 3% in 2022,” PG&E said in a statement to CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘We can’t afford to stay’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>But California residential electricity prices are already more than twice the national average, according to the report by the Public Advocates Office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Sen. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/legislator-tracker/brian-dahle-1965/\">Brian Dahle\u003c/a> (R-Bieber), vice chairperson of the Energy, Utilities and Communications Committee, said his office receives many calls from people complaining about electric bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People that are barely making it, people on disability, you name it,” Dahle told CalMatters. “We get those calls, and they’re like, ‘We can’t afford to stay,’ and it’s heartbreaking.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The more money PG&E spends, the more they make, and that’s not right,” he added. “We need to make sure that we’re holding them accountable, that we are getting the projects completed with the minimum amount of cost.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://infogram.com/9e9e0e1c-c513-4803-bc33-75d84363c9d8?parent_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalmatters.org%2Fcalifornia-divide%2F2023%2F11%2Felectric-rates-california%2F&src=embed#async_embed\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen title=\"Average Residential Electric Rate Changes\" style=\"border: none; width: 1000px; height: 475px;\" width=\"100%\" height=\"500\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dahle’s district encompasses 11 counties in Northern California, including some of the ones most impacted by recent wildfires. The same state regulators that will vote on PG&E’s proposed increases are also considering \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-staff-propose-%2445-million-penalty-for-pge-over-dixie-fire#:~:text=Under%20the%20proposed%20Administrative%20Consent,Dixie%20Fire%20for%20remediations%2C%20and\">a $45 million penalty\u003c/a> against the utility in connection with the Dixie Fire, the second-largest wildfire in state history, that began in Butte County in 2021.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PG&E said it is constructing underground power lines, an exceedingly expensive undertaking that \u003ca href=\"https://www.pge.com/en/newsroom/press-release-details.b19403d2-b47d-495d-9124-851ffea6771f.html\">it argues\u003c/a> will reduce the risk of electrical-triggered wildfires by 98%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wildfire mitigation is not the only driver of the rate increases, according to the latest report by the Public Advocates Office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Transmission and distribution investments are a second factor. That means replacing poles and wires with more modern equipment because certain new technologies can reduce the risks of sparking ignitions,” said Justin Ong, a chief policy adviser at the office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The third reason for rate changes is rooftop solar incentives. \u003ca href=\"https://www.publicadvocates.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cal-advocates-website/files/reports/nem-cost-shift-memo-final.pdf\">In an analysis published\u003c/a> in October 2022, the office found that the cost shift from rooftop solar to nonparticipating customers increased from $3.4 billion to $4.6 billion from 2021 to 2022.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11968154\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1568px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11968154 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08.jpeg\" alt=\"A mother sits on a chair in a living room next to her young daughter, while a young boy sleeps on a couch next to them.\" width=\"1568\" height=\"1045\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08.jpeg 1568w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1568px) 100vw, 1568px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nubia Ramírez, 26, and her daughter Alexia Hernández spend time together while Carlos Ramírez, 6, sleeps next to them in the living room of their home in San Leandro on Nov. 10, 2023. \u003ccite>(Manuel Orbegozo/CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2 id=\"h-keeping-the-power-on-for-poor-families\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Keeping the power on for poor families\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The quarterly rate report also noted that the average monthly bill increased by $52 for PG&E customers from January 2021 to September 2023. Overall, lower-income households are the most impacted by higher rates and bills.[aside label=\"More PG&E coverage\" tag=\"pge\"]According to \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Efile/G000/M520/K564/520564539.PDF\">a PG&E monthly disconnect data report\u003c/a>, 19,439 PG&E customers were disconnected for non-payment in September. Of the utility’s 5.6 million residential accounts as of September, nearly 1.4 million were enrolled in a program that gives lower-income customers a 30% to 35% discount on their electric bills and a 20% discount on their natural gas bills. More than 38,000 customers were enrolled in another program for families with slightly higher incomes that offers an 18% discount on their electric bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked to comment on PG&E’s proposed increase, Ong said he couldn’t comment on the matter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, he added: “There’s no silver bullet to solving our rate crisis. A lot of our investments in utility investments are like a mortgage. Once they’re made, they’re spread out over decades. We’re trying to develop solutions to really lessen the energy burden on households, in particular the lowest-income households.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ten miles south of PG&E’s headquarters, Vásquez sat near the corner of her living room, where a tall lamp illuminated her face as her two grandchildren slept nearby on the couch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said both children are excited for Christmas, but she’s worried about money. She will soon return to Tesla and clean houses with her daughters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though her husband’s job as a construction worker helps cover most basic utilities, it won’t be enough for later this year, when holiday lights add costs to the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Am I going to tell them this is a Christmas without lights?” she asked, gazing at her grandchildren. “It’s getting harder and harder to live here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Millions of lower-income California residents already struggle to pay their electric bills and worry they won't be able to shoulder the burden of additional rate hikes.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700839795,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":true,"iframeSrcs":["https://infogram.com/9e9e0e1c-c513-4803-bc33-75d84363c9d8"],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":30,"wordCount":1230},"headData":{"title":"'Christmas Without Lights?' 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Vásquez owed a total of $400.68 to Pacific Gas & Electric.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘The more money PG&E spends, the more they make, and that’s not right. We need to make sure that we’re holding them accountable, that we are getting the projects completed with the minimum amount of cost.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Brian Dahle, Republican state senator","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>For the past four months, the 43-year-old Salvadoran immigrant has been on disability leave from her job at Tesla due to a shoulder injury, she said. Vásquez has also been unable to do her second job, as a part-time house cleaner, to help pay the $3,000 monthly rent on the San Leandro house she shares with her husband, two daughters and two grandchildren.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the early hours of Nov. 9, Vásquez wanted to warm up the house for her grandchildren, who needed to shower and get ready for school. But there was no power. Vásquez said she immediately called PG&E and explained that she had no money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The utility giant didn’t offer much help, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We had to borrow money,” Vásquez added, recounting the day her family remained without power until 11 p.m. “Our food went to waste, so we didn’t have lunch and dinner that day. There’s medicine in the fridge that no longer works.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11968156\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1568px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11968156\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11.jpeg\" alt=\"A utility bill showing a balance of $400.68.\" width=\"1568\" height=\"1045\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11.jpeg 1568w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_11-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1568px) 100vw, 1568px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Angelica Vásquez’s latest PG&E bill, on Nov. 10, 2023. \u003ccite>(Manuel Orbegozo/CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Vásquez is one of millions of residents across the state who have seen significant increases in their electric bills in recent years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bills for most PG&E customers are soon slated to rise again following the California Public Utilities Commission’s \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M520/K795/520795617.pdf\">approval last week of rate increases\u003c/a>, which the Oakland-based utility requested to pay for safety and reliability upgrades and inflation costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Starting in January, the average residential customer’s combined monthly electric and natural gas bill will increase by $32.62, or nearly 13%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.publicadvocates.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cal-advocates-website/files/reports/231026-caladvocates-q3-2023-quarterly-rate-report.pdf\">last electric rate report\u003c/a> by the commission’s Public Advocates Office, PG&E rates increased by 92% between January 2014 and September 2015.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are working to keep customer cost increases at or below assumed inflation for the long term, between an average of 2 and 4% a year. We reduced our operating costs by 3% in 2022,” PG&E said in a statement to CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘We can’t afford to stay’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>But California residential electricity prices are already more than twice the national average, according to the report by the Public Advocates Office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Sen. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/legislator-tracker/brian-dahle-1965/\">Brian Dahle\u003c/a> (R-Bieber), vice chairperson of the Energy, Utilities and Communications Committee, said his office receives many calls from people complaining about electric bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People that are barely making it, people on disability, you name it,” Dahle told CalMatters. “We get those calls, and they’re like, ‘We can’t afford to stay,’ and it’s heartbreaking.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The more money PG&E spends, the more they make, and that’s not right,” he added. “We need to make sure that we’re holding them accountable, that we are getting the projects completed with the minimum amount of cost.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://infogram.com/9e9e0e1c-c513-4803-bc33-75d84363c9d8?parent_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalmatters.org%2Fcalifornia-divide%2F2023%2F11%2Felectric-rates-california%2F&src=embed#async_embed\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen title=\"Average Residential Electric Rate Changes\" style=\"border: none; width: 1000px; height: 475px;\" width=\"100%\" height=\"500\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dahle’s district encompasses 11 counties in Northern California, including some of the ones most impacted by recent wildfires. The same state regulators that will vote on PG&E’s proposed increases are also considering \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-staff-propose-%2445-million-penalty-for-pge-over-dixie-fire#:~:text=Under%20the%20proposed%20Administrative%20Consent,Dixie%20Fire%20for%20remediations%2C%20and\">a $45 million penalty\u003c/a> against the utility in connection with the Dixie Fire, the second-largest wildfire in state history, that began in Butte County in 2021.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PG&E said it is constructing underground power lines, an exceedingly expensive undertaking that \u003ca href=\"https://www.pge.com/en/newsroom/press-release-details.b19403d2-b47d-495d-9124-851ffea6771f.html\">it argues\u003c/a> will reduce the risk of electrical-triggered wildfires by 98%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wildfire mitigation is not the only driver of the rate increases, according to the latest report by the Public Advocates Office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Transmission and distribution investments are a second factor. That means replacing poles and wires with more modern equipment because certain new technologies can reduce the risks of sparking ignitions,” said Justin Ong, a chief policy adviser at the office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The third reason for rate changes is rooftop solar incentives. \u003ca href=\"https://www.publicadvocates.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cal-advocates-website/files/reports/nem-cost-shift-memo-final.pdf\">In an analysis published\u003c/a> in October 2022, the office found that the cost shift from rooftop solar to nonparticipating customers increased from $3.4 billion to $4.6 billion from 2021 to 2022.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11968154\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1568px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11968154 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08.jpeg\" alt=\"A mother sits on a chair in a living room next to her young daughter, while a young boy sleeps on a couch next to them.\" width=\"1568\" height=\"1045\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08.jpeg 1568w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/111023_Angelica-Vasquez_MO_CM_08-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1568px) 100vw, 1568px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nubia Ramírez, 26, and her daughter Alexia Hernández spend time together while Carlos Ramírez, 6, sleeps next to them in the living room of their home in San Leandro on Nov. 10, 2023. \u003ccite>(Manuel Orbegozo/CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2 id=\"h-keeping-the-power-on-for-poor-families\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Keeping the power on for poor families\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The quarterly rate report also noted that the average monthly bill increased by $52 for PG&E customers from January 2021 to September 2023. Overall, lower-income households are the most impacted by higher rates and bills.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"More PG&E coverage ","tag":"pge"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>According to \u003ca href=\"https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Efile/G000/M520/K564/520564539.PDF\">a PG&E monthly disconnect data report\u003c/a>, 19,439 PG&E customers were disconnected for non-payment in September. Of the utility’s 5.6 million residential accounts as of September, nearly 1.4 million were enrolled in a program that gives lower-income customers a 30% to 35% discount on their electric bills and a 20% discount on their natural gas bills. More than 38,000 customers were enrolled in another program for families with slightly higher incomes that offers an 18% discount on their electric bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked to comment on PG&E’s proposed increase, Ong said he couldn’t comment on the matter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, he added: “There’s no silver bullet to solving our rate crisis. A lot of our investments in utility investments are like a mortgage. Once they’re made, they’re spread out over decades. We’re trying to develop solutions to really lessen the energy burden on households, in particular the lowest-income households.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ten miles south of PG&E’s headquarters, Vásquez sat near the corner of her living room, where a tall lamp illuminated her face as her two grandchildren slept nearby on the couch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said both children are excited for Christmas, but she’s worried about money. She will soon return to Tesla and clean houses with her daughters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though her husband’s job as a construction worker helps cover most basic utilities, it won’t be enough for later this year, when holiday lights add costs to the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Am I going to tell them this is a Christmas without lights?” she asked, gazing at her grandchildren. “It’s getting harder and harder to live here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11968141/christmas-without-lights-californians-already-struggling-to-pay-utility-bills-fret-over-further-rate-increases","authors":["byline_news_11968141"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_1066","news_32170","news_27626","news_140","news_33535","news_33534"],"affiliates":["news_18481"],"featImg":"news_11968155","label":"news_18481"},"news_11955299":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11955299","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11955299","score":null,"sort":[1689019720000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"probe-into-2022-attack-on-kern-county-pge-facility-hits-dead-end","title":"Probe Into 2022 Attack on Kern County PG&E Facility Hits Dead End","publishDate":1689019720,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Probe Into 2022 Attack on Kern County PG&E Facility Hits Dead End | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Investigators have hit a dead end in their investigation of a July 2022 incident in which gunfire caused nearly $6 million in damage to a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pge\">PG&E\u003c/a> substation near Bakersfield. It’s one of a string of unsolved acts of vandalism targeting the utility’s equipment in the past year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Documents KQED obtained under the California Public Records Act outline a probe by the Kern County Sheriff’s Office into the shooting at the Goose Lake substation, near the town of Wasco. The attack caused an outage that affected 1,100 customers, including gas stations and restaurants, at the busy interchange where State Route 46 crosses Interstate 5.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the sheriff’s investigation, those responsible for the incident cut a 4-inch hole in a chain-link fence surrounding the substation. Then, they fired 10 rounds from a shotgun and large-caliber handgun into two banks of transformers, puncturing a radiator and a tank filled with mineral oil used to insulate and cool the electrical equipment. The damaged tanks leaked about 5,000 gallons of oil onto the ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The hole in the fence lines up with the angles of the bullet holes in the equipment within the facility,” a sheriff’s deputy wrote in a department report. That discovery prompted the deputy to contact a colleague who works as the sheriff’s liaison with the FBI.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Details of the shooting investigation are recounted in records released by the California Public Utilities Commission. In addition to a 29-page sheriff’s report, they include documents from the CPUC’s Safety and Enforcement Division and PG&E.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kern County investigators could not identify suspects in the case or determine a motive for the attack. But their report notes that deputies and a PG&E worker, who arrived at the substation shortly after problems at the substation were reported, noticed a car abandoned about a quarter-mile away on Highway 46.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11955153\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11955153\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"Hanging electrical equipment connected to power lines.\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">PG&E’s Goose Lake substation, near Wasco in Kern County, was attacked last July. A spokesperson for PG&E said the company has spent $2 million so far on ongoing repairs. \u003ccite>(Courtesy California Public Utilities Commission)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A deputy who inspected the car, which had been stolen the day before the attack in the Kern County town of Shafter, found footprints that headed in the direction of the substation. But the tracks vanished after a short distance. Sheriff’s investigators were unable to connect either the car or the tracks to the shooting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response to questions about the case, a sheriff’s spokesperson said in an email late last month that the investigation “has been inactivated pending further leads.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Matt Nauman, spokesperson, PG&E\"]‘We have security measures in place, and we are constantly evaluating the security of all of our facilities. Our forecast is that the total cost will be approximately $5.9 million.’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PG&E emphasized in reply to KQED’s question that it takes its responsibility seriously to ensure safety around its electrical facilities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have security measures in place, and we are constantly evaluating the security of all of our facilities,” said company spokesperson Matt Nauman in an email.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nauman added that so far PG&E has spent $2 million on ongoing repairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our forecast is that the total cost will be approximately $5.9 million,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The incident is one of several that have targeted \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101891276/how-can-pge-navigate-rising-costs-extreme-weather-and-modernizing-the-grid\">PG&E’s electricity infrastructure\u003c/a> in the last year and comes amid an \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101891525/how-vulnerable-is-our-power-grid-2\">increase in attacks on power sites\u003c/a> throughout California and the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to data from the U.S. Department of Energy, California utilities reported a total of 31 incidents of vandalism to their property from Jan. 1, 2022, through March 31 of this year. Another 14 incidents were classified as actual physical attacks on facilities or “suspicious activity” meant to degrade power operations. That compares with just three such incidents reported statewide in 2017.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The federal data indicates that only a handful of the reported incidents, like the one in Kern County, have resulted in power outages.[aside postID=news_11943157 hero='https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Untitled_Artwork-1020x765.jpg']Two months after the Kern County incident, someone shot and damaged nine PG&E transformers in rural Butte County, south of Chico. In late February, PG&E told the Sutter County Sheriff’s Office that it had recently discovered a transformer damaged by gunfire near the Sutter Bypass, southwest of Yuba City. FBI officials have said the agency is aware of all three incidents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The most widely publicized recent attack on power facilities in Northern California came to light in March when San José police arrested a man they say set off bombs that damaged a pair of PG&E substations in the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These incidents came nearly a decade after a sniper attack on a major PG&E transmission complex in South San José that caused serious damage. The April 2013 incident caused an estimated $15 million in damage, attracted national attention and prompted state legislation aimed at improving security for electricity infrastructure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"No suspects have been identified after gunfire caused $6 million in damage to a rural PG&E substation northwest of Bakersfield.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1689019720,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":20,"wordCount":893},"headData":{"title":"Probe Into 2022 Attack on Kern County PG&E Facility Hits Dead End | KQED","description":"No suspects have been identified after gunfire caused $6 million in damage to a rural PG&E substation northwest of Bakersfield.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Probe Into 2022 Attack on Kern County PG&E Facility Hits Dead End","datePublished":"2023-07-10T20:08:40.000Z","dateModified":"2023-07-10T20:08:40.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11955299/probe-into-2022-attack-on-kern-county-pge-facility-hits-dead-end","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Investigators have hit a dead end in their investigation of a July 2022 incident in which gunfire caused nearly $6 million in damage to a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pge\">PG&E\u003c/a> substation near Bakersfield. It’s one of a string of unsolved acts of vandalism targeting the utility’s equipment in the past year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Documents KQED obtained under the California Public Records Act outline a probe by the Kern County Sheriff’s Office into the shooting at the Goose Lake substation, near the town of Wasco. The attack caused an outage that affected 1,100 customers, including gas stations and restaurants, at the busy interchange where State Route 46 crosses Interstate 5.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the sheriff’s investigation, those responsible for the incident cut a 4-inch hole in a chain-link fence surrounding the substation. Then, they fired 10 rounds from a shotgun and large-caliber handgun into two banks of transformers, puncturing a radiator and a tank filled with mineral oil used to insulate and cool the electrical equipment. The damaged tanks leaked about 5,000 gallons of oil onto the ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The hole in the fence lines up with the angles of the bullet holes in the equipment within the facility,” a sheriff’s deputy wrote in a department report. That discovery prompted the deputy to contact a colleague who works as the sheriff’s liaison with the FBI.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Details of the shooting investigation are recounted in records released by the California Public Utilities Commission. In addition to a 29-page sheriff’s report, they include documents from the CPUC’s Safety and Enforcement Division and PG&E.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kern County investigators could not identify suspects in the case or determine a motive for the attack. But their report notes that deputies and a PG&E worker, who arrived at the substation shortly after problems at the substation were reported, noticed a car abandoned about a quarter-mile away on Highway 46.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11955153\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11955153\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"Hanging electrical equipment connected to power lines.\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230707-PGE-ATTACK-01-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">PG&E’s Goose Lake substation, near Wasco in Kern County, was attacked last July. A spokesperson for PG&E said the company has spent $2 million so far on ongoing repairs. \u003ccite>(Courtesy California Public Utilities Commission)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A deputy who inspected the car, which had been stolen the day before the attack in the Kern County town of Shafter, found footprints that headed in the direction of the substation. But the tracks vanished after a short distance. Sheriff’s investigators were unable to connect either the car or the tracks to the shooting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response to questions about the case, a sheriff’s spokesperson said in an email late last month that the investigation “has been inactivated pending further leads.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘We have security measures in place, and we are constantly evaluating the security of all of our facilities. Our forecast is that the total cost will be approximately $5.9 million.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Matt Nauman, spokesperson, PG&E","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PG&E emphasized in reply to KQED’s question that it takes its responsibility seriously to ensure safety around its electrical facilities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have security measures in place, and we are constantly evaluating the security of all of our facilities,” said company spokesperson Matt Nauman in an email.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nauman added that so far PG&E has spent $2 million on ongoing repairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our forecast is that the total cost will be approximately $5.9 million,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The incident is one of several that have targeted \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101891276/how-can-pge-navigate-rising-costs-extreme-weather-and-modernizing-the-grid\">PG&E’s electricity infrastructure\u003c/a> in the last year and comes amid an \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101891525/how-vulnerable-is-our-power-grid-2\">increase in attacks on power sites\u003c/a> throughout California and the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to data from the U.S. Department of Energy, California utilities reported a total of 31 incidents of vandalism to their property from Jan. 1, 2022, through March 31 of this year. Another 14 incidents were classified as actual physical attacks on facilities or “suspicious activity” meant to degrade power operations. That compares with just three such incidents reported statewide in 2017.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The federal data indicates that only a handful of the reported incidents, like the one in Kern County, have resulted in power outages.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11943157","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/Untitled_Artwork-1020x765.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Two months after the Kern County incident, someone shot and damaged nine PG&E transformers in rural Butte County, south of Chico. In late February, PG&E told the Sutter County Sheriff’s Office that it had recently discovered a transformer damaged by gunfire near the Sutter Bypass, southwest of Yuba City. FBI officials have said the agency is aware of all three incidents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The most widely publicized recent attack on power facilities in Northern California came to light in March when San José police arrested a man they say set off bombs that damaged a pair of PG&E substations in the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These incidents came nearly a decade after a sniper attack on a major PG&E transmission complex in South San José that caused serious damage. The April 2013 incident caused an estimated $15 million in damage, attracted national attention and prompted state legislation aimed at improving security for electricity infrastructure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11955299/probe-into-2022-attack-on-kern-county-pge-facility-hits-dead-end","authors":["258"],"categories":["news_31795","news_8"],"tags":["news_5563","news_18538","news_1066","news_20023","news_425","news_27626","news_20320","news_140","news_18541","news_32901","news_32902"],"featImg":"news_11955154","label":"news"},"news_11940489":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11940489","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11940489","score":null,"sort":[1675951250000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"california-regulators-look-to-protect-residents-from-skyrocketing-natural-gas-prices","title":"California Regulators Look to Shield Residents From Spiking Natural Gas Rates","publishDate":1675951250,"format":"standard","headTitle":"CALmatters | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":18481,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Gas prices have spiked in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That may sound like old news after months of high prices at the pump, but this time another kind of gas is running up the tab: natural gas, which fuels stoves and heats water and homes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Average bills for PG&E residential customers in Northern California \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cpuc-website/industries-and-topics/meeting-documents/20230207-en-banc/gaselectricpricesenbanc_masterdeck-2022-02-07.pdf#page=9\">shot up to an estimated $195\u003c/a> in January, compared to $151 the year before; Southern California Gas customers got hit with $300 on average, compared to $123 last year, according to data that Jean Spencer, supervisor of the energy division of the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC), shared at a recent hearing. Meanwhile, across the country, wholesale natural gas prices have fallen an average of 50% since October, according to \u003ca href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-01/california-natural-gas-prices-surge-with-bills-300-higher-than-normal?leadSource=uverify%20wall\">reporting in Bloomberg\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what gives?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a CPUC hearing Tuesday, a host of state energy-related agencies and industry representatives looked into that exact question and discussed strategies to mitigate high prices. While the CPUC can’t directly set prices, attendees weighed different long-term options that could keep the cost of gas down for consumers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The meeting followed a decision by the CPUC last week to speed up a \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/02/california-natural-gas-prices-relief/\">climate credit for consumers that should reduce gas bills\u003c/a>. That move will translate to \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-01/socalgas-bill-relief-for-customers\">roughly $50 off most people's utility bills\u003c/a> — but is just “a short-term Band-Aid, and this is a longer-term problem,” said CPUC President Alice Busching Reynolds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At least one California \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.socalgas.com/stories/market-prices-for-natural-gas-drop-driving-a-68-decrease-in-socalgas-february-procurement\">gas company\u003c/a> — SoCalGas — said it expects bills to go down in February.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"h-why-are-prices-so-high\">Why are prices so high?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/californias-natural-gas-market/supply-and-demand-natural-gas-california\">California pipes in 90% of its natural gas\u003c/a> from outside its borders, making the state vulnerable to supply issues beyond its control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=55279\">Several factors conspired\u003c/a> to send natural gas prices soaring in the West, according to the U.S. Energy Information Agency: below-normal temperatures; high gas use; lower imports of natural gas from Canada; gas pipeline constraints, including maintenance issues in West Texas; and lower gas storage levels in the Pacific region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But on Monday, Gov. Gavin Newsom made clear he isn’t satisfied those reasons represent the whole story, writing in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Governor-Newsom-FERC-Letter-02.06.23.pdf\">letter to federal regulators\u003c/a> that “those known factors cannot explain the extent and longevity of the price spike.” He asked federal energy regulators to investigate “whether market manipulation, anticompetitive behavior, or other anomalous activities are driving these ongoing elevated prices in the western gas markets.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"h-what-if-anything-can-be-done\">What, if anything, can be done?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Although the price of natural gas is set by regional and national markets, the CPUC and industry representatives on Tuesday weighed shorter- and longer-term changes that could insulate California customers from wildly fluctuating bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to accelerating the climate credit, the CPUC's Public Advocates Office has proposed \u003ca href=\"https://www.publicadvocates.cpuc.ca.gov/uploadedFiles/Content/Energy/230202%20CALADVOCATES%20Early%202023%20Natural%20Gas%20Bill%20Increases%20Memo%20FINAL.pdf\">spreading the increased cost over three to six months\u003c/a>, to make each individual bill more affordable and reduce the risk of disconnections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Industry representatives also suggested increasing gas storage capacity and loosening certain regulations.[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"natural-gas\"]Storing natural gas enables utilities to rely on that existing supply and not have to buy as much when prices spike, shielding customers from shockingly high bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rodger Schwecke, senior vice president and chief infrastructure officer at SoCalGas, suggested reevaluating how much gas is stored at Aliso Canyon, the largest natural gas storage facility in the state. A major leak occurred at Aliso Canyon in 2015, causing the utility to temporarily \u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35258036\">relocate thousands of households\u003c/a>. In the aftermath, the CPUC \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/safety/gas-safety-and-reliability-branch/aliso-canyon-well-failure\">capped how much gas could be stored at the facility\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mark Pocta, program manager at the Public Advocates Office, also emphasized the importance of storage capacity at Aliso Canyon, mentioning a proposal to increase the cap, which would provide more storage capacity. How Aliso Canyon gets used is something “that the commission will need to consider closely moving forward,” Pocta said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, Lucy Redmond, director of gas reservoir engineering and facilities at PG&E, told officials on Tuesday that the impact of a 2018 state regulation caused a 40% average decline in the utility’s well capacity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those rules, which were much stricter than previous gas storage standards, were enacted after the Aliso Canyon leak, said Mike Florio, senior fellow at the policy group Gridworks and a former CPUC commissioner, in an interview with CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A lot of people think it’s really excessive, that they kind of went from not paying any attention at all to being really too strict in these regulations,” he said, adding that the rules require testing of gas facilities, and some of the tests can take a well out of service for as long as a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’ve created a price problem,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the CPUC couldn’t revise the rules even if it wanted to, because a different state agency, the Geologic Energy Management Division of the Department of Conservation, wrote them, Florio noted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The only way this gets resolved is if it goes up their respective chains of command, maybe even as far as the governor’s office, to say, ‘Hey, let’s get these agencies on the same page,’” he said.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"At a Tuesday hearing, state utilities regulators and industry representatives discussed why natural gas prices in California have suddenly spiked, and what can be done to protect ratepayers from exorbitant utility bills.\r\n\r\n","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1675983492,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":883},"headData":{"title":"California Regulators Look to Shield Residents From Spiking Natural Gas Rates | KQED","description":"At a Tuesday hearing, state utilities regulators and industry representatives discussed why natural gas prices in California have suddenly spiked, and what can be done to protect ratepayers from exorbitant utility bills.\r\n\r\n","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"California Regulators Look to Shield Residents From Spiking Natural Gas Rates","datePublished":"2023-02-09T14:00:50.000Z","dateModified":"2023-02-09T22:58:12.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"nprByline":"\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/author/grace-gedye/\">Grace Gedye\u003c/a>","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11940489/california-regulators-look-to-protect-residents-from-skyrocketing-natural-gas-prices","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Gas prices have spiked in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That may sound like old news after months of high prices at the pump, but this time another kind of gas is running up the tab: natural gas, which fuels stoves and heats water and homes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Average bills for PG&E residential customers in Northern California \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cpuc-website/industries-and-topics/meeting-documents/20230207-en-banc/gaselectricpricesenbanc_masterdeck-2022-02-07.pdf#page=9\">shot up to an estimated $195\u003c/a> in January, compared to $151 the year before; Southern California Gas customers got hit with $300 on average, compared to $123 last year, according to data that Jean Spencer, supervisor of the energy division of the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC), shared at a recent hearing. Meanwhile, across the country, wholesale natural gas prices have fallen an average of 50% since October, according to \u003ca href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-01/california-natural-gas-prices-surge-with-bills-300-higher-than-normal?leadSource=uverify%20wall\">reporting in Bloomberg\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what gives?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a CPUC hearing Tuesday, a host of state energy-related agencies and industry representatives looked into that exact question and discussed strategies to mitigate high prices. While the CPUC can’t directly set prices, attendees weighed different long-term options that could keep the cost of gas down for consumers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The meeting followed a decision by the CPUC last week to speed up a \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/02/california-natural-gas-prices-relief/\">climate credit for consumers that should reduce gas bills\u003c/a>. That move will translate to \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-01/socalgas-bill-relief-for-customers\">roughly $50 off most people's utility bills\u003c/a> — but is just “a short-term Band-Aid, and this is a longer-term problem,” said CPUC President Alice Busching Reynolds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At least one California \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.socalgas.com/stories/market-prices-for-natural-gas-drop-driving-a-68-decrease-in-socalgas-february-procurement\">gas company\u003c/a> — SoCalGas — said it expects bills to go down in February.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"h-why-are-prices-so-high\">Why are prices so high?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/californias-natural-gas-market/supply-and-demand-natural-gas-california\">California pipes in 90% of its natural gas\u003c/a> from outside its borders, making the state vulnerable to supply issues beyond its control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=55279\">Several factors conspired\u003c/a> to send natural gas prices soaring in the West, according to the U.S. Energy Information Agency: below-normal temperatures; high gas use; lower imports of natural gas from Canada; gas pipeline constraints, including maintenance issues in West Texas; and lower gas storage levels in the Pacific region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But on Monday, Gov. Gavin Newsom made clear he isn’t satisfied those reasons represent the whole story, writing in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Governor-Newsom-FERC-Letter-02.06.23.pdf\">letter to federal regulators\u003c/a> that “those known factors cannot explain the extent and longevity of the price spike.” He asked federal energy regulators to investigate “whether market manipulation, anticompetitive behavior, or other anomalous activities are driving these ongoing elevated prices in the western gas markets.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"h-what-if-anything-can-be-done\">What, if anything, can be done?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Although the price of natural gas is set by regional and national markets, the CPUC and industry representatives on Tuesday weighed shorter- and longer-term changes that could insulate California customers from wildly fluctuating bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to accelerating the climate credit, the CPUC's Public Advocates Office has proposed \u003ca href=\"https://www.publicadvocates.cpuc.ca.gov/uploadedFiles/Content/Energy/230202%20CALADVOCATES%20Early%202023%20Natural%20Gas%20Bill%20Increases%20Memo%20FINAL.pdf\">spreading the increased cost over three to six months\u003c/a>, to make each individual bill more affordable and reduce the risk of disconnections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Industry representatives also suggested increasing gas storage capacity and loosening certain regulations.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"natural-gas"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Storing natural gas enables utilities to rely on that existing supply and not have to buy as much when prices spike, shielding customers from shockingly high bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rodger Schwecke, senior vice president and chief infrastructure officer at SoCalGas, suggested reevaluating how much gas is stored at Aliso Canyon, the largest natural gas storage facility in the state. A major leak occurred at Aliso Canyon in 2015, causing the utility to temporarily \u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35258036\">relocate thousands of households\u003c/a>. In the aftermath, the CPUC \u003ca href=\"https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/regulatory-services/safety/gas-safety-and-reliability-branch/aliso-canyon-well-failure\">capped how much gas could be stored at the facility\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mark Pocta, program manager at the Public Advocates Office, also emphasized the importance of storage capacity at Aliso Canyon, mentioning a proposal to increase the cap, which would provide more storage capacity. How Aliso Canyon gets used is something “that the commission will need to consider closely moving forward,” Pocta said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, Lucy Redmond, director of gas reservoir engineering and facilities at PG&E, told officials on Tuesday that the impact of a 2018 state regulation caused a 40% average decline in the utility’s well capacity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those rules, which were much stricter than previous gas storage standards, were enacted after the Aliso Canyon leak, said Mike Florio, senior fellow at the policy group Gridworks and a former CPUC commissioner, in an interview with CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A lot of people think it’s really excessive, that they kind of went from not paying any attention at all to being really too strict in these regulations,” he said, adding that the rules require testing of gas facilities, and some of the tests can take a well out of service for as long as a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’ve created a price problem,” he 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src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final.png\" alt='Cartoon: an angry man holding a PG&E bill with fees like, \"wildfire liability fee and town-burning fee\" yells, \"these solar incentives are killing me!\" The caption reads, \"what no one said, ever (except PG&E)\"' width=\"1920\" height=\"1361\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final.png 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-800x567.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-1020x723.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-160x113.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/fees_030722_final-1536x1089.png 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>Solar energy is at a crossroads in California, with \u003ca href=\"https://bit.ly/fiorerooftopsolar\">big utility companies pushing to reduce solar incentives in the name of 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