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The same day, Spinosa peeked through an open door into a room that was not part of the tour.[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Robert Cherny, historian and author\"]'Instead of having 75 or 90 men working on a ship, you might have many fewer, 10 or so, able to do the same amount of work or more work.’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Lo and behold, here was about six or eight people on computers, interfacing with what they were showing us in the yard,\" he says. \"I knew then, this was major changes. We have to get this work.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\"Machines don't pay taxes\"\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Fast forward 33 years. Automation poses a bigger threat to union jobs now than ever before. Three terminals at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach are now partly or fully automated, and several more are contemplating it. It's become the hot-button issue in the contract negotiations between dockworkers and the shipping industry that started in May.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now retired, Spinosa takes a forward-looking view, believing the union must look for the jobs of tomorrow to avoid being left behind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But at the waterfront, current union dockworkers fear giving up any more ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These machines don't pay taxes. They don't help our local economy. They don't help with infrastructure,\" says Yvette Bjazevic, who's worked on the docks for 20 years. \"We should all be outraged.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Spinosa's take on the future is shaped by his experiences leading the International Longshore and Warehouse Union through tumultuous times.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rather than block technological advancements, Spinosa doubled down on the fight for union jobs. Whatever technology was being used on the docks, he wanted to make sure that union workers were there, ready to take on new roles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's an approach similar to one the ILWU has embraced almost since its founding.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Hooks used to bring in crates of fruit. Now cranes haul massive shipping containers\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Spinosa followed his uncles to the waterfront in 1969, when the ships crossing the ocean were much smaller — like rowboats, he jokes — and most cargo was still handled by hand. Longshoremen used different types of hooks for different types of cargo, be it crates of fruit, bales of cotton, or sacks of borax.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The old-timers that we worked with, they would take you under their wing, and they would show you how to actually handle cargo, stow cargo properly, and stay safe,\" Spinosa recalls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But that all changed with the advent of shipping containers, the colorful steel boxes that are now standard across the global shipping industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>A controversial agreement\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>No longer were gangs of longshoremen needed in the holds of ships. A single crane operator could lift entire containers full of goods at once.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Instead of having 75 or 90 men working on a ship, you might have many fewer, 10 or so, able to do the same amount of work or more work,\" says historian Robert Cherny, author of an upcoming biography of the ILWU's longtime president Harry Bridges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The union had foreseen the threat to jobs then. In the 1960s, Bridges negotiated a controversial agreement. The union would accept the use of containers and cranes and other forms of mechanization as long as there was something in it for the workers. Above all, guaranteed wages — regardless of whether there was work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As far back as the late 1930s, early 1940s, the union had always said they were willing that the employers would introduce labor-saving machinery, but that the union had to be consulted, and the union had to essentially get a piece of it,\" says Cherny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Spinosa sums it up this way: Union dockworkers would go along with mechanization, as long as mechanization took them along.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\"Whatever work is necessary for the future, hopefully we're there and we're doing it\"\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Spinosa clung to that basic tenet throughout his career. In the 1980s, he accepted that computers were bringing efficiencies to the work of marine clerks, who had for decades mapped out the movement of containers by hand. But he fought to ensure that a union worker would be in front of those computers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As long as equipment needs to be moved on the terminals, it's done by the ILWU,\" he says. \"The problem arises when it becomes robotic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Spinosa worries that the union doesn't know enough about the technology being brought to the ports today to fight for the jobs that may come open tomorrow. Employers in the shipping industry are not exactly opening their doors and announcing new positions, he says. It's up to the union to figure it out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We have to have an offensive posture. 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But he fought to ensure that a union worker would be in front of those computers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As long as equipment needs to be moved on the terminals, it's done by the ILWU,\" he says. \"The problem arises when it becomes robotic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Spinosa worries that the union doesn't know enough about the technology being brought to the ports today to fight for the jobs that may come open tomorrow. Employers in the shipping industry are not exactly opening their doors and announcing new positions, he says. It's up to the union to figure it out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We have to have an offensive posture. 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To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Retired+labor+leader+says+his+former+union+must+think+outside+the+box+to+save+jobs&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11925297/retired-labor-leader-says-his-former-union-must-think-outside-the-box-to-save-jobs","authors":["byline_news_11925297"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_20205","news_29628","news_31604"],"affiliates":["news_253"],"featImg":"news_11925298","label":"news_253"},"news_11648567":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11648567","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11648567","score":null,"sort":[1518042132000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"robots-help-reduce-port-pollution-but-they-also-steal-jobs","title":"Robots Help Reduce Port Pollution -- But They Also Steal Jobs","publishDate":1518042132,"format":"audio","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>A foul-mouthed longshoreman named Frank Gaskin pointed his phone at a chain link fence at the Port of Long Beach last summer and made a video of the robots that had taken his and his buddies’ jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the video, flatbed carts glide by carrying cargo containers around the dock. They’re self-driving, guided by computers and magnets beneath the pavement. As one passes soundlessly near the fence, Gaskin yells, “f--- you automation mother f-----!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At 21 of the 22 docks at the Port of Long Beach, most of the work of loading and unloading cargo from containers ships is still done by people, not by robots. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Long Beach Container Terminal, which opened in April 2016, is an exception. It requires two-thirds fewer workers than traditional terminals. And that frightens the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, which controls all the jobs at the docks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Note: This video contains profanity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvrPcgM5cH4\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But viewed from another perspective, automation is part of the solution to one of Southern California’s most vexing environmental problems: the worst air pollution in the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Diesel trucks and equipment are the largest contributors to that air pollution, and the ports are the largest single source of those emissions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the automated carts at the Long Beach Container Terminal run on electricity, which can be generated by natural gas or renewable energy. Look closely as the cart nears Gaskin’s camera, and you can see the words, written in bright white letters on a green background, “zero emissions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gaskin captioned his video: “Automation in Long Beach Container Terminal will hurt everyone.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But what if automating is also a way to help everyone by cleaning the air and fighting climate change?\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where People Run the Port\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>To understand how radically different the Long Beach Container Terminal is, you first have to visit a traditional terminal, where people control each piece of equipment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gary Herrera, the vice president of the ILWU Local 13, took me on a tour of the Everport Terminal at the Port of Los Angeles. He pointed out workers unloading containers, driving forklifts and operating cranes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everyone you see, those are longshoremen,” Herrera said proudly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11648613\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A crane lifts a container from the Hanjin Greece container ship at the Port of Long Beach in 2016.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11648613\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A crane lifts a container from the Hanjin Greece container ship at the Port of Long Beach in 2016. \u003ccite>(DAVID MCNEW/AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>There are just over 14,000 unionized longshoremen on the West Coast, but that number is half of what it was in 1960. That's even though the ports move more than 14 times as much cargo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ILWU’s founder, Harry Bridges, started preparing for automation in the 1950s. At that time, \"automation\" came in the form of containers that replaced individual bales, bundles and boxes of goods to be shipped. The containers carried more cargo and required fewer hands. Bridges signed an agreement with the terminal operators allowing that, but he did so only after ensuring his members got higher pay and pension guarantees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And any new equipment they used would have to be operated by union workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Even if it comes down to one person pushing one button to run a whole port,” Bridges reportedly said, “that person will be union.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That agreement largely remains in place, and ILWU members are among the best compensated blue-collar workers in the U.S. They receive an average salary of $155,000 a year, pay almost nothing for their health insurance, and get up to six weeks of paid vacation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The longshoremen owe their leverage to the fact that, unlike factories and auto plants, ports cannot be outsourced.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where Machines Run the Port\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Ports can also be run by machines and computers, and, increasingly, robots.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My tour with Herrera continued as we headed across a towering bridge toward the Port of Long Beach and the Long Beach Container Terminal. Herrera’s mood changed as he looked across the water and saw remotely operated cranes and self-driving trucks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe src=\"https://giphy.com/embed/l0HUkguLk0Afp8LfO\" width=\"800\" height=\"400\" frameborder=\"0\" class=\"giphy-embed\" allowfullscreen>\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://giphy.com/gifs/l0HUkguLk0Afp8LfO\">via GIPHY\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It makes me sick to my stomach,\" he said, tightening his hands on the steering wheel. \"I look at this place, and I do not like what it stands for. These machines get rid of men.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'd tried for weeks, unsuccessfully, to get into the Long Beach Container Terminal on my own. I even got so far as to get their president, Anthony Otto, on the phone. He agreed to show me around, but said I couldn’t record any audio, take any pictures, or quote him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, the morning of the tour, he canceled. “It’s a sensitive time for us,” he said, referring me to his PR firm for further explanation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The firm didn’t return my call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Officials with the ILWU can enter the terminal at any time and bring guests. Herrera had invited me to come along.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He drove us into the terminal, and we stopped in front of LBCT’s 48 stacking cranes. They load containers onto semi-trucks that haul them out of the port to distribution warehouses. In a traditional terminal, workers operate them from booths on top, but in the LBCT, four people can control all 48 cranes at once.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The same guy who used to drive the crane out in the yard eight hours a day is now doing it from a remote console, sipping coffee and listening to light music in air conditioning,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIrPWW6r1uo&t=5s\">Otto said in a YouTube video\u003c/a> touting the benefits of automation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ILWU estimates that two-thirds of the longshore jobs at LBCT have disappeared due to automation. Neither Otto nor anyone else from LBCT would confirm the number of jobs lost, nor comment on the record for this story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But they say automation creates opportunities for new kinds of jobs, like mechanics to maintain the self-driving vehicles. And, they say, their robots are cleaner than the diesel fueled, human-controlled machines they’re replacing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Long Beach Container Terminal emits 85 percent less diesel soot, 58 percent less nitrogen oxide (a component of smog), and 33 percent less carbon dioxide than a traditional dock at the ports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those kinds of reductions give Adrian Martinez, an environmental lawyer with Earthjustice, a very different take on the automated equipment at LBCT than guys like Gary Herrera.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s exciting to see zero emissions equipment actually on the terminal,” Martinez said. “Because from a basic level, we’re not going to solve the air pollution crisis in the Los Angeles area until we eliminate port and freight pollution.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-800x466.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"466\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-11648608\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-800x466.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-160x93.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-1020x595.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-960x560.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-240x140.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-375x219.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-520x303.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>So, More Robots?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In November 2017, \u003ca href=\"https://www.scpr.org/news/2017/11/02/77259/ports-to-vote-to-spend-up-to-14-billion-to-clean-u/\">the Port of Long Beach and the neighboring Port of Los Angeles pledged\u003c/a> to dramatically slash their emissions by phasing out internal combustion engines. Their goal is to replace all diesel trucks and cargo-handling equipment with zero-emissions equivalents by 2035. Usually that means electric vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The big question is whether the ports’ new mandate will lead to more automation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Currently, electric cargo-handling equipment is more than twice as expensive as its diesel equivalent. That could lead terminal operators to choose to automate to save on labor costs, said Thomas Jelenic, who represents terminal operators as the vice president of the Pacific Merchant Shipping Association.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People generally won’t seek out automation in and of itself unless they can justify it in some way,” he said. “But if they’re forced to electrify, the costs of electrification then dictate the need to automate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Mark Sisson, a port planner with the consulting firm AECOM, thinks concerns about price are overblown. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He believes the price of electric cargo-handling equipment will drop now that there’s a mandate for the largest ports in the Western Hemisphere to buy it. And right now, at least three other marine terminals are testing human-controlled electric cargo equipment.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Rage Against the Machine\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Of all the automated equipment inside the Long Beach Container Terminal, it’s the 72 self-driving vehicles that elicit the strongest reaction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re the ones Frank Gaskin swore at in his video, and they’re the ones Gary Herrera glared as he stepped out of the SUV on the last stop on our tour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They got rid of jobs, there’s no more drivers,” he said, looking across the fence at the little green carts. “And so this is why we’re skeptical at all when they wanna say zero emissions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because of all the uncertainty, the ILWU isn’t taking any chances. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In September 2017, \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB134\">Gov. Jerry Brown signed a budget bill \u003c/a>allocating $900 million from the sale of carbon permits under California’s cap and trade program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Up to $140 million will be sent to the ports for clean freight and ships, but the ILWU lobbied hard to ensure that none of it could be used for automated equipment. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If the terminals want to automate, they have to do it on their own.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Automated electric cranes and trucks are helping cut pollution at the Port of Long Beach. But they’re no friends of longshoremen.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1518042132,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":51,"wordCount":1537},"headData":{"title":"Robots Help Reduce Port Pollution -- But They Also Steal Jobs | KQED","description":"Automated electric cranes and trucks are helping cut pollution at the Port of Long Beach. But they’re no friends of longshoremen.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11648567 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11648567","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2018/02/07/robots-help-reduce-port-pollution-but-they-also-steal-jobs/","disqusTitle":"Robots Help Reduce Port Pollution -- But They Also Steal Jobs","source":"KPCC","sourceUrl":"https://www.scpr.org/","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcr/2018/02/PortRobotsGuerin.mp3","nprByline":"\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.scpr.org/about/people/staff/emily-guerin\">Emily Guerin\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>","path":"/news/11648567/robots-help-reduce-port-pollution-but-they-also-steal-jobs","audioDuration":262000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A foul-mouthed longshoreman named Frank Gaskin pointed his phone at a chain link fence at the Port of Long Beach last summer and made a video of the robots that had taken his and his buddies’ jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the video, flatbed carts glide by carrying cargo containers around the dock. They’re self-driving, guided by computers and magnets beneath the pavement. As one passes soundlessly near the fence, Gaskin yells, “f--- you automation mother f-----!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At 21 of the 22 docks at the Port of Long Beach, most of the work of loading and unloading cargo from containers ships is still done by people, not by robots. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Long Beach Container Terminal, which opened in April 2016, is an exception. It requires two-thirds fewer workers than traditional terminals. And that frightens the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, which controls all the jobs at the docks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Note: This video contains profanity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/fvrPcgM5cH4'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/fvrPcgM5cH4'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>But viewed from another perspective, automation is part of the solution to one of Southern California’s most vexing environmental problems: the worst air pollution in the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Diesel trucks and equipment are the largest contributors to that air pollution, and the ports are the largest single source of those emissions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the automated carts at the Long Beach Container Terminal run on electricity, which can be generated by natural gas or renewable energy. Look closely as the cart nears Gaskin’s camera, and you can see the words, written in bright white letters on a green background, “zero emissions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gaskin captioned his video: “Automation in Long Beach Container Terminal will hurt everyone.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But what if automating is also a way to help everyone by cleaning the air and fighting climate change?\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where People Run the Port\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>To understand how radically different the Long Beach Container Terminal is, you first have to visit a traditional terminal, where people control each piece of equipment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gary Herrera, the vice president of the ILWU Local 13, took me on a tour of the Everport Terminal at the Port of Los Angeles. He pointed out workers unloading containers, driving forklifts and operating cranes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everyone you see, those are longshoremen,” Herrera said proudly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11648613\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A crane lifts a container from the Hanjin Greece container ship at the Port of Long Beach in 2016.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11648613\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/PortofLongBeach-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A crane lifts a container from the Hanjin Greece container ship at the Port of Long Beach in 2016. \u003ccite>(DAVID MCNEW/AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>There are just over 14,000 unionized longshoremen on the West Coast, but that number is half of what it was in 1960. That's even though the ports move more than 14 times as much cargo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ILWU’s founder, Harry Bridges, started preparing for automation in the 1950s. At that time, \"automation\" came in the form of containers that replaced individual bales, bundles and boxes of goods to be shipped. The containers carried more cargo and required fewer hands. Bridges signed an agreement with the terminal operators allowing that, but he did so only after ensuring his members got higher pay and pension guarantees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And any new equipment they used would have to be operated by union workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Even if it comes down to one person pushing one button to run a whole port,” Bridges reportedly said, “that person will be union.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That agreement largely remains in place, and ILWU members are among the best compensated blue-collar workers in the U.S. They receive an average salary of $155,000 a year, pay almost nothing for their health insurance, and get up to six weeks of paid vacation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The longshoremen owe their leverage to the fact that, unlike factories and auto plants, ports cannot be outsourced.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where Machines Run the Port\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Ports can also be run by machines and computers, and, increasingly, robots.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My tour with Herrera continued as we headed across a towering bridge toward the Port of Long Beach and the Long Beach Container Terminal. Herrera’s mood changed as he looked across the water and saw remotely operated cranes and self-driving trucks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe src=\"https://giphy.com/embed/l0HUkguLk0Afp8LfO\" width=\"800\" height=\"400\" frameborder=\"0\" class=\"giphy-embed\" allowfullscreen>\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://giphy.com/gifs/l0HUkguLk0Afp8LfO\">via GIPHY\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It makes me sick to my stomach,\" he said, tightening his hands on the steering wheel. \"I look at this place, and I do not like what it stands for. These machines get rid of men.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'd tried for weeks, unsuccessfully, to get into the Long Beach Container Terminal on my own. I even got so far as to get their president, Anthony Otto, on the phone. He agreed to show me around, but said I couldn’t record any audio, take any pictures, or quote him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, the morning of the tour, he canceled. “It’s a sensitive time for us,” he said, referring me to his PR firm for further explanation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The firm didn’t return my call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Officials with the ILWU can enter the terminal at any time and bring guests. Herrera had invited me to come along.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He drove us into the terminal, and we stopped in front of LBCT’s 48 stacking cranes. They load containers onto semi-trucks that haul them out of the port to distribution warehouses. In a traditional terminal, workers operate them from booths on top, but in the LBCT, four people can control all 48 cranes at once.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The same guy who used to drive the crane out in the yard eight hours a day is now doing it from a remote console, sipping coffee and listening to light music in air conditioning,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIrPWW6r1uo&t=5s\">Otto said in a YouTube video\u003c/a> touting the benefits of automation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ILWU estimates that two-thirds of the longshore jobs at LBCT have disappeared due to automation. Neither Otto nor anyone else from LBCT would confirm the number of jobs lost, nor comment on the record for this story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But they say automation creates opportunities for new kinds of jobs, like mechanics to maintain the self-driving vehicles. And, they say, their robots are cleaner than the diesel fueled, human-controlled machines they’re replacing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Long Beach Container Terminal emits 85 percent less diesel soot, 58 percent less nitrogen oxide (a component of smog), and 33 percent less carbon dioxide than a traditional dock at the ports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those kinds of reductions give Adrian Martinez, an environmental lawyer with Earthjustice, a very different take on the automated equipment at LBCT than guys like Gary Herrera.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s exciting to see zero emissions equipment actually on the terminal,” Martinez said. “Because from a basic level, we’re not going to solve the air pollution crisis in the Los Angeles area until we eliminate port and freight pollution.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-800x466.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"466\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-11648608\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-800x466.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-160x93.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-1020x595.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-960x560.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-240x140.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-375x219.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf-520x303.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/02/KPCCgraf.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>So, More Robots?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In November 2017, \u003ca href=\"https://www.scpr.org/news/2017/11/02/77259/ports-to-vote-to-spend-up-to-14-billion-to-clean-u/\">the Port of Long Beach and the neighboring Port of Los Angeles pledged\u003c/a> to dramatically slash their emissions by phasing out internal combustion engines. Their goal is to replace all diesel trucks and cargo-handling equipment with zero-emissions equivalents by 2035. Usually that means electric vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The big question is whether the ports’ new mandate will lead to more automation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Currently, electric cargo-handling equipment is more than twice as expensive as its diesel equivalent. That could lead terminal operators to choose to automate to save on labor costs, said Thomas Jelenic, who represents terminal operators as the vice president of the Pacific Merchant Shipping Association.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People generally won’t seek out automation in and of itself unless they can justify it in some way,” he said. “But if they’re forced to electrify, the costs of electrification then dictate the need to automate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Mark Sisson, a port planner with the consulting firm AECOM, thinks concerns about price are overblown. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He believes the price of electric cargo-handling equipment will drop now that there’s a mandate for the largest ports in the Western Hemisphere to buy it. And right now, at least three other marine terminals are testing human-controlled electric cargo equipment.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Rage Against the Machine\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Of all the automated equipment inside the Long Beach Container Terminal, it’s the 72 self-driving vehicles that elicit the strongest reaction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re the ones Frank Gaskin swore at in his video, and they’re the ones Gary Herrera glared as he stepped out of the SUV on the last stop on our tour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They got rid of jobs, there’s no more drivers,” he said, looking across the fence at the little green carts. “And so this is why we’re skeptical at all when they wanna say zero emissions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because of all the uncertainty, the ILWU isn’t taking any chances. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In September 2017, \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB134\">Gov. Jerry Brown signed a budget bill \u003c/a>allocating $900 million from the sale of carbon permits under California’s cap and trade program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Up to $140 million will be sent to the ports for clean freight and ships, but the ILWU lobbied hard to ensure that none of it could be used for automated equipment. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If the terminals want to automate, they have to do it on their own.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11648567/robots-help-reduce-port-pollution-but-they-also-steal-jobs","authors":["byline_news_11648567"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72"],"categories":["news_1758","news_19906","news_8","news_1397"],"tags":["news_2036","news_20205","news_19904","news_20436","news_21278","news_17286"],"affiliates":["news_7055"],"featImg":"news_11648571","label":"source_news_11648567"},"news_11614970":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11614970","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11614970","score":null,"sort":[1504300713000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"robots-making-pizza-still-need-a-human-touch","title":"Robots Making Pizza Still Need a Human Touch","publishDate":1504300713,"format":"video","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>We’ve all heard that robots are taking our jobs, right? Well, there’s a takeout joint in Mountain View where robots help make the pizza, and it illustrates how automation could impact the food industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi0nOL4noLWAhUCslQKHacYCEgQFggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fzumepizza.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNH-ocVgDaQYbJHp5ooD18fTYe4Qew\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Zume\u003c/a> is tucked into an office park and it only delivers pizza. Its brand is about being healthy and locally sourced, and Zume pays for the better ingredients in part by saving on labor costs in the kitchen, says \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/jakeycollins?lang=en\">Julia Collins\u003c/a>, co-founder and co-CEO of Zume.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In a lot of ways it looks like a traditional kitchen,” Collins says as she shows me around Zume’s kitchen. “But what you’ve never seen before is a robot-enabled pizza assembly line.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Collins walks me down the line. The first thing you notice is there are people working on the line. They make about $18 an hour, and one of them is Jose Lopez. He’s holding a mound of dough.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So Jose has taken our dough, and he’s using this dough bot to press the dough out,” Collins says, as Lopez places the dough into a rectangular machine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, instead of throwing the dough into the air to make a pie, at Zume a “dough bot” presses it into one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s nine times faster than doing it manually,” Collins says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lopez takes the 14-inch sheet of dough and places it onto a conveyer belt. A stainless-steel dispenser squirts tomato sauce onto the middle of the pie. Then it moves to a second machine, which spreads the sauce. Most of the machines on the line are centrally wired into a computerized brain, which keeps track of the pizza orders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/RDnews/2017/08/PizzaRobots.mp3\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And then human beings put the toppings on the pizza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When we first looked at this line, we did think of automating these steps as well,” Collins says. But picking up toppings takes dexterity and a soft touch. Human hands are the best tools for that task.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is probably the favorite robot of everyone. His name is Bruno,” Collins says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bruno is a large automated arm. But where there might be a hand, there’s a large pan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’ve seen this robot stacking pallets or moving tons of machinery,” Collins says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At Zume, Bruno has been reprogrammed to place pizza in the oven. 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Its brand is about being healthy and locally sourced, and Zume pays for the better ingredients in part by saving on labor costs in the kitchen, says \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/jakeycollins?lang=en\">Julia Collins\u003c/a>, co-founder and co-CEO of Zume.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In a lot of ways it looks like a traditional kitchen,” Collins says as she shows me around Zume’s kitchen. “But what you’ve never seen before is a robot-enabled pizza assembly line.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Collins walks me down the line. The first thing you notice is there are people working on the line. They make about $18 an hour, and one of them is Jose Lopez. 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Yesterday the school started offering a driverless shuttle service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I took a ride on the shuttle, which is believed to be the first self-driving service on a college campus. It basically looks like a pimped-out golf cart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s exactly what it is. It’s an off-the-shelf golf cart that we’ve retrofitted with our drive-by-wire computerized units and sensors,” said \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/benstinnett\" target=\"_blank\">Ben Stinnett\u003c/a>, a hardware engineer at \u003ca href=\"http://www.auro.ai/\" target=\"_blank\">Auro\u003c/a>, the Sunnyvale startup that built this self-driving shuttle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The shuttle service is part of a two-month pilot program. During that time, an Auro engineer sits in the front seat ready to take over if systems fail. The shuttle took me on a 1-mile loop at its maximum speed of 7 mph. And rather than maneuver around pedestrians, it slows down to follow them at their speed to ensure safety. All this makes for a very slow ride.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Google and Tesla are grabbing headlines for plans to bring self-driving cars to the open road, it could be another decade before consumers can buy them. In the meantime, there’s a cottage industry of startups deploying similar technology, but in more controlled settings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.crunchbase.com/person/srinivas-reddy-2\" target=\"_blank\">Srinivas Reddy\u003c/a>, a co-founder of Auro, says mapping cities and counties is an expensive endeavor, but mapping a college campus is within a startup's budget.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And hence, we deploy these much faster than the other companies that are eyeing for the passenger car market,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That means Auro can get to market faster. In nearby \u003ca href=\"http://kron4.com/2016/11/13/redwood-city-officials-approve-robot-delivery-pilot-program/\" target=\"_blank\">Redwood City, Starship Technologies\u003c/a> recently won approval to run a pilot program where robots deliver groceries and food from restaurants to homes and businesses in a 5-mile radius. \u003ca href=\"https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/faculty/robert-e-siegel\" target=\"_blank\">Robert Siegel\u003c/a>, who teaches at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business, says the move to automation will be incremental.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are gonna continue to see more and more examples of autonomous systems touch every part of our lives,” Siegel said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says sticking to controlled settings with low stakes also allows consumers to become more comfortable with autonomous systems.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"An engineer sits in the front seat ready to take over if systems fail on the shuttle service.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1479343952,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":394},"headData":{"title":"Driverless Cars Come to Santa Clara University, Sort Of | KQED","description":"An engineer sits in the front seat ready to take over if systems fail on the shuttle service.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11176847 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11176847","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/11/16/driverless-cars-come-to-santa-clara-university-sort-of/","disqusTitle":"Driverless Cars Come to Santa Clara University, Sort Of","path":"/news/11176847/driverless-cars-come-to-santa-clara-university-sort-of","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"mp3":"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/0011dc77.mp3","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These days at Santa Clara University, you can get a glimpse of how the automated future will unroll. Yesterday the school started offering a driverless shuttle service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I took a ride on the shuttle, which is believed to be the first self-driving service on a college campus. It basically looks like a pimped-out golf cart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s exactly what it is. It’s an off-the-shelf golf cart that we’ve retrofitted with our drive-by-wire computerized units and sensors,” said \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/benstinnett\" target=\"_blank\">Ben Stinnett\u003c/a>, a hardware engineer at \u003ca href=\"http://www.auro.ai/\" target=\"_blank\">Auro\u003c/a>, the Sunnyvale startup that built this self-driving shuttle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The shuttle service is part of a two-month pilot program. During that time, an Auro engineer sits in the front seat ready to take over if systems fail. The shuttle took me on a 1-mile loop at its maximum speed of 7 mph. And rather than maneuver around pedestrians, it slows down to follow them at their speed to ensure safety. 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In the meantime, there’s a cottage industry of startups deploying similar technology, but in more controlled settings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.crunchbase.com/person/srinivas-reddy-2\" target=\"_blank\">Srinivas Reddy\u003c/a>, a co-founder of Auro, says mapping cities and counties is an expensive endeavor, but mapping a college campus is within a startup's budget.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And hence, we deploy these much faster than the other companies that are eyeing for the passenger car market,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That means Auro can get to market faster. 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