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When the \u003ca href=\"http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/state-approves-pesticide-despite-cancer-warning-7152\">state approved methyl iodide\u003c/a>, it set exposure levels for farm workers 120 times higher than the state's staff scientists believed to be safe. Since the approval, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/08/26/documents-show-deep-rift-over-methyl-iodide-approval-directors-concern-over-manufacturers-reaction/\">internal documents have come to light\u003c/a> showing a deep rift between DPR staff scientists who believed that methyl iodide was too hazardous for farmworkers, and the DPR managers who approved it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Methyl iodide opponents say the chemical will put agricultural workers and communities who live near farms at risk of cancer, miscarriage and brain damage, and want the state to revoke its approval. The defendants – California's Department of Pesticide Reform (DPR) and Arysta Lifescience – have until late November to craft their response, before oral arguments begin in January.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To find where things stand, I called Greg Loarie, an attorney at the environmental law firm Earthjustice, representing two farm workers and Pesticide Action Network North America, the plaintiffs in the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>This brief is so technical it comes with its own glossary. Is the judge going to understand it?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think there's some jargon involved, certainly. But some of the claims are incredibly straightforward, including the claim that the DPR failed to look at any alternative to registering methyl iodide, which is a clear violation of the California Environmental Quality Act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When we get into the science and the regulatory target levels, it does get more complicated. But I'm confident that the staff at DPR was clear enough about what it was doing that the court is going to be able to follow it. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The central complaint seems to be what we've been hearing from state scientists all along: That their concerns about farm worker safety were ignored. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The people of California have an expectation that the scientists who were hired to do the work and to understand the risks involved in using methyl iodide, that their voices will be heard. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is a classic case where staff scientists did a lot of work and came to a conclusion, and then management bowed to pressure from industry and changed course without any rationale. And that's just not legal. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>One of the complaints is that the DPR \"didn't provide any rationale\" for its decision. Is that illegal? It's up to DPR managers to determine these regulatory levels. Are they obligated to explain to the rest of us how they did it?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong> \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One thing the California Environmental Quality Act considers is that the public does have a right to at least understand the basis of the decision. It's not sufficient for them to basically pull a number out of the air. They have to show their work. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\nInitially, the DPR denied the plaintiff's request for a number of internal documents, on the grounds that they were \"deliberative,\" and therefore private. Ultimately, a judge demanded that \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/08/26/documents-show-deep-rift-over-methyl-iodide-approval-directors-concern-over-manufacturers-reaction/\">those documents be released\u003c/a>. Which were most useful to you? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are several docs that are illuminating. One of them is the \u003ca href=\"http://www.healthycal.org/archives/6201\">2/16/10 memo\u003c/a> in which Arysta [[the company that produces methyl iodide]] details discussions in which the DPR and Arysta essentially agreed upon new regulatory target levels for MI. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What's interesting is that that memo was not in the stack of documents that came to us after the court order. It was referenced in one of the documents we received, so I called the opposing council and said \"I don't see this memo, where is it?\" Lo and behold, they found it in their files. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\nThis opening brief also mentions neurotoxicity – the question of whether methyl iodide can cause brain damage, particularly in developing fetuses or in children. Can you explain what the legal complaint there is?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're very fortunate in California to have law called the Birth Defect Prevention Act. It requires that the agency studying the pesticide have some sort of information regarding its neuro-toxicity before it makes a decision. And in this case it's very clear that the only study that DPR had regarding neuro-toxicity was inadequate. They didn't have the information before them when they made this decision. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Meanwhile, is anyone actually using methyl iodide?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's just been another application [by a grower receiving permission to use methyl iodide on his fields] in Santa Barbara. As far as we know, there have been four applications, all in the Central Valley, and for crops like peppers. This one would be the first application for strawberries that we're aware of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is this the time of year you'd expect to see applications ramping up?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's actually getting to the end of the year. Our understanding is that August-October are the big months [for strawberry growers using fumigants, like methyl iodide]. We actually haven't seen many applications this year. What we've heard is that people are sticking to what they know.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>In response to a request for comment, DPR spokeswoman Lea Brooks emailed this statement:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DPR registered methyl iodide after the most extensive evaluation in the department’s history concluded it can be used safely under stringent conditions without exposing workers, the public and environment to harmful levels. Registration was contingent on safeguards, including strict buffer zones around occupied schools, hospitals and similar sites, stronger worker and ground water protections, and a limitation on application rates and field size.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DPR will respond to the litigants' allegations in its reply brief to the court. We are not going to litigate this issue in the media.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/tag/methyl-iodide/\">\u003cstrong>Click here for more coverage of the methyl iodide controversy\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1318610470,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":959},"headData":{"title":"Methyl Iodide Opponents Say Approval \"Classic Case\" of Officials Bowing to Industry; DPR Says \"Extensive Evaluation Done\" | KQED","description":"This week attorneys for environmental and farm worker groups filed their opening brief in the lawsuit over California's controversial approval of the pesticide methyl iodide, which is primarily used on strawberries. 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When the \u003ca href=\"http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/state-approves-pesticide-despite-cancer-warning-7152\">state approved methyl iodide\u003c/a>, it set exposure levels for farm workers 120 times higher than the state's staff scientists believed to be safe. Since the approval, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/08/26/documents-show-deep-rift-over-methyl-iodide-approval-directors-concern-over-manufacturers-reaction/\">internal documents have come to light\u003c/a> showing a deep rift between DPR staff scientists who believed that methyl iodide was too hazardous for farmworkers, and the DPR managers who approved it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Methyl iodide opponents say the chemical will put agricultural workers and communities who live near farms at risk of cancer, miscarriage and brain damage, and want the state to revoke its approval. The defendants – California's Department of Pesticide Reform (DPR) and Arysta Lifescience – have until late November to craft their response, before oral arguments begin in January.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To find where things stand, I called Greg Loarie, an attorney at the environmental law firm Earthjustice, representing two farm workers and Pesticide Action Network North America, the plaintiffs in the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>This brief is so technical it comes with its own glossary. Is the judge going to understand it?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think there's some jargon involved, certainly. But some of the claims are incredibly straightforward, including the claim that the DPR failed to look at any alternative to registering methyl iodide, which is a clear violation of the California Environmental Quality Act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When we get into the science and the regulatory target levels, it does get more complicated. But I'm confident that the staff at DPR was clear enough about what it was doing that the court is going to be able to follow it. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The central complaint seems to be what we've been hearing from state scientists all along: That their concerns about farm worker safety were ignored. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The people of California have an expectation that the scientists who were hired to do the work and to understand the risks involved in using methyl iodide, that their voices will be heard. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is a classic case where staff scientists did a lot of work and came to a conclusion, and then management bowed to pressure from industry and changed course without any rationale. And that's just not legal. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>One of the complaints is that the DPR \"didn't provide any rationale\" for its decision. Is that illegal? It's up to DPR managers to determine these regulatory levels. Are they obligated to explain to the rest of us how they did it?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong> \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One thing the California Environmental Quality Act considers is that the public does have a right to at least understand the basis of the decision. It's not sufficient for them to basically pull a number out of the air. They have to show their work. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\nInitially, the DPR denied the plaintiff's request for a number of internal documents, on the grounds that they were \"deliberative,\" and therefore private. Ultimately, a judge demanded that \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/08/26/documents-show-deep-rift-over-methyl-iodide-approval-directors-concern-over-manufacturers-reaction/\">those documents be released\u003c/a>. Which were most useful to you? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are several docs that are illuminating. One of them is the \u003ca href=\"http://www.healthycal.org/archives/6201\">2/16/10 memo\u003c/a> in which Arysta [[the company that produces methyl iodide]] details discussions in which the DPR and Arysta essentially agreed upon new regulatory target levels for MI. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What's interesting is that that memo was not in the stack of documents that came to us after the court order. It was referenced in one of the documents we received, so I called the opposing council and said \"I don't see this memo, where is it?\" Lo and behold, they found it in their files. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\nThis opening brief also mentions neurotoxicity – the question of whether methyl iodide can cause brain damage, particularly in developing fetuses or in children. Can you explain what the legal complaint there is?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're very fortunate in California to have law called the Birth Defect Prevention Act. It requires that the agency studying the pesticide have some sort of information regarding its neuro-toxicity before it makes a decision. And in this case it's very clear that the only study that DPR had regarding neuro-toxicity was inadequate. They didn't have the information before them when they made this decision. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Meanwhile, is anyone actually using methyl iodide?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's just been another application [by a grower receiving permission to use methyl iodide on his fields] in Santa Barbara. As far as we know, there have been four applications, all in the Central Valley, and for crops like peppers. This one would be the first application for strawberries that we're aware of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is this the time of year you'd expect to see applications ramping up?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's actually getting to the end of the year. Our understanding is that August-October are the big months [for strawberry growers using fumigants, like methyl iodide]. We actually haven't seen many applications this year. What we've heard is that people are sticking to what they know.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>In response to a request for comment, DPR spokeswoman Lea Brooks emailed this statement:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DPR registered methyl iodide after the most extensive evaluation in the department’s history concluded it can be used safely under stringent conditions without exposing workers, the public and environment to harmful levels. Registration was contingent on safeguards, including strict buffer zones around occupied schools, hospitals and similar sites, stronger worker and ground water protections, and a limitation on application rates and field size.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DPR will respond to the litigants' allegations in its reply brief to the court. We are not going to litigate this issue in the media.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/tag/methyl-iodide/\">\u003cstrong>Click here for more coverage of the methyl iodide controversy\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/42997/methyl-iodide-lawyer-classic-case-of-state-officials-bowing-to-industry-pressure","authors":["210"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_356"],"tags":["news_1814","news_18543","news_890"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_38530":{"type":"posts","id":"news_38530","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"38530","score":null,"sort":[1314655341000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"are-paper-bags-really-that-much-better-than-plastic","title":"Are Paper Bags Really That Much Better Than Plastic? ","publishDate":1314655341,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_38536\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 224px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbagSM2.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbagSM2.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"plasticbagSM\" width=\"224\" height=\"222\" class=\"size-full wp-image-38536\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo: katerha\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp> Despite the best \u003ca href=\"http://savetheplasticbag.com/\">efforts\u003c/a> of plastic-bag manufacturers and distributors, a \u003ca href=\"http://www.google.com/search?q=plastic+bag\">growing number\u003c/a> of California counties have banned plastic bags. And after the state Supreme Court's \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/15/local/la-me-0715-plastic-bags-20110715\">ruling\u003c/a> last month that Manhattan Beach had the right to prohibit the bags without an environmental review, more such laws might follow. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So the other day some of us public radio types, as is our public-radio wont, are standing around chatting about these developments when I'm surprised to hear QUEST science reporter Amy Standen espousing a somewhat contrarian view on the paper vs. plastic bag issue. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her view: Plastic bags do indeed present a litter problem, but as to environmental impact on a larger scale -- energy use, greenhouse gas emissions, air pollution -- the benefits of paper bags are negligible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's what she has to say; an edited transcript follows the audio clips...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags1.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Audio: Amy Standen on why paper bags aren't environmentally that much better than plastic bags\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags1.mp3|titles=plasticbags1]\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I was very surprised to hear Amy Standen's contrarian view on the plastic bags vs. paper.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I sort of view paper bags with this halo effect – in San Francisco, where I live, you can recycle the papers bags but the plastic has to go into the landfill. So go into your view a little bit.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well first of all, plastic bags have a major strike against them. They're aerodynamic. They get caught in the wind. So that is primary reason cities tend to ban them. In SF, grocery stores don't give out plastic bags. That's because plastic bags end up places they're not supposed to. You think you're throwing them in your trash, but actually they're blowing out of your can, they're getting into a tree, maybe they're getting into a waterway. They're just a mess, and that's why they end up being litter so often. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And if you go to a recycling center, you'll see they gum up the works, and they have to shut down the system every couple of hours for the workers to manually go through and cut with knives plastic bags out of the gears. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But my contrarian view is that, other than that, they're both pretty bad. Plastic and paper both take a lot of energy to produce. Some say paper takes more energy to produce. Paper weighs a lot more than plastic, and so one of the figures you hear a lot from the plastic bag industry is that it takes 7 trucks to transport the same number of paper bags vs. plastic bags. I have no way of fact checking that figure, but its common sense to think that you're going to need more trucks to transport paper bags than plastic bags. More trucks mean means more air pollution in neighborhoods, like in W. Oakland. More trucks means greater greenhouse gas impact. \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>But what about the landfill and the recycling issue? I can recycle my paper bags but I can't do that to my plastic bags? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One thing you hear from the paper bag advocates is that plastic bags live forever in the landfill. But everything lives for many, many years in the landfill. You can go to a landfill and find a hotdog that's literally 25 years old. That's because landfills are designed not to let the stuff in them biodegrade. They're anaerobic, no oxygen, and there's also very little water in landfills. Which means the stuff lasts forever. So a paper bag is not going to decompose in a landfill either, at least not on any meaningful time scale. So you may have more plastic bags than paper, but the paper bags are taking up a lot more space than the plastic bags. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, frankly, in SF, we're already diverting 75% of our waste away from the landfill. Right now, our landfills aren't actually taking in a lot of stuff anyway. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\nWhat about the marine mammal issue? Environmentalists say marine mammals will try to eat them, and those are harmful...\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Absolutely true. Plastic bags end up being litter more often than they intend to. So that is a very real problem. And that is when it comes down to it the real reason that you see many cities wanting to have these bans. Another count on paper bags' favor is they can be composted so you can fill them w/ your food scraps and put them in the compost bins. But that's only meaningful if you live in a city that has a composting program. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Well if paper is not the solution and plastic is not the solution? Then what is the solution? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Neither of these types of bags is very good. It gets down to this basic issue of disposability. It rarely works out when you go through the environmental calculations. You should probably just bring a bag. \u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags2.mp3\">\u003cstrong>On the recylcling process\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags2.mp3|titles=plasticbags2]\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Plastic bags are recyclable just like paper bags, but neither of those things has a complete cycle. Both of these things are downgraded. Plastic bags don't get recycled into more plastic bags as you'd want them to be, they get recycle3d into things like plastic flooring or carpets. Which in turn are not recyclable or at least very difficult to recycle. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paper bags get recycled not usually into paper bags but into cardboard, that's a little better because cardboard itself is recyclable. But in neither case is recycling the be all and end all, the grand solution. 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","path":"/news/38530/are-paper-bags-really-that-much-better-than-plastic","audioUrl":"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/files/2011/08/plasticbags1.mp3","audioDuration":null,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_38536\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 224px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbagSM2.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbagSM2.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"plasticbagSM\" width=\"224\" height=\"222\" class=\"size-full wp-image-38536\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo: katerha\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp> Despite the best \u003ca href=\"http://savetheplasticbag.com/\">efforts\u003c/a> of plastic-bag manufacturers and distributors, a \u003ca href=\"http://www.google.com/search?q=plastic+bag\">growing number\u003c/a> of California counties have banned plastic bags. And after the state Supreme Court's \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/15/local/la-me-0715-plastic-bags-20110715\">ruling\u003c/a> last month that Manhattan Beach had the right to prohibit the bags without an environmental review, more such laws might follow. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So the other day some of us public radio types, as is our public-radio wont, are standing around chatting about these developments when I'm surprised to hear QUEST science reporter Amy Standen espousing a somewhat contrarian view on the paper vs. plastic bag issue. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her view: Plastic bags do indeed present a litter problem, but as to environmental impact on a larger scale -- energy use, greenhouse gas emissions, air pollution -- the benefits of paper bags are negligible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's what she has to say; an edited transcript follows the audio clips...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags1.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Audio: Amy Standen on why paper bags aren't environmentally that much better than plastic bags\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags1.mp3|titles=plasticbags1"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags1.mp3|titles=plasticbags1"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I was very surprised to hear Amy Standen's contrarian view on the plastic bags vs. paper.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I sort of view paper bags with this halo effect – in San Francisco, where I live, you can recycle the papers bags but the plastic has to go into the landfill. So go into your view a little bit.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well first of all, plastic bags have a major strike against them. They're aerodynamic. They get caught in the wind. So that is primary reason cities tend to ban them. In SF, grocery stores don't give out plastic bags. That's because plastic bags end up places they're not supposed to. You think you're throwing them in your trash, but actually they're blowing out of your can, they're getting into a tree, maybe they're getting into a waterway. They're just a mess, and that's why they end up being litter so often. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And if you go to a recycling center, you'll see they gum up the works, and they have to shut down the system every couple of hours for the workers to manually go through and cut with knives plastic bags out of the gears. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But my contrarian view is that, other than that, they're both pretty bad. Plastic and paper both take a lot of energy to produce. Some say paper takes more energy to produce. Paper weighs a lot more than plastic, and so one of the figures you hear a lot from the plastic bag industry is that it takes 7 trucks to transport the same number of paper bags vs. plastic bags. I have no way of fact checking that figure, but its common sense to think that you're going to need more trucks to transport paper bags than plastic bags. More trucks mean means more air pollution in neighborhoods, like in W. Oakland. More trucks means greater greenhouse gas impact. \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>But what about the landfill and the recycling issue? I can recycle my paper bags but I can't do that to my plastic bags? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One thing you hear from the paper bag advocates is that plastic bags live forever in the landfill. But everything lives for many, many years in the landfill. You can go to a landfill and find a hotdog that's literally 25 years old. 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And that is when it comes down to it the real reason that you see many cities wanting to have these bans. Another count on paper bags' favor is they can be composted so you can fill them w/ your food scraps and put them in the compost bins. But that's only meaningful if you live in a city that has a composting program. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Well if paper is not the solution and plastic is not the solution? Then what is the solution? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Neither of these types of bags is very good. It gets down to this basic issue of disposability. It rarely works out when you go through the environmental calculations. You should probably just bring a bag. \u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags2.mp3\">\u003cstrong>On the recylcling process\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags2.mp3|titles=plasticbags2"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/plasticbags2.mp3|titles=plasticbags2"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Plastic bags are recyclable just like paper bags, but neither of those things has a complete cycle. Both of these things are downgraded. Plastic bags don't get recycled into more plastic bags as you'd want them to be, they get recycle3d into things like plastic flooring or carpets. 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But then I go, whatever, I didn't want my kids to die.\"","publishDate":1314646182,"format":"aside","headTitle":"San Bruno Stories: “I didn’t want to die. But then I go, whatever, I didn’t want my kids to die.” | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_38505\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/sanbrunoanniv1SM.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-38505\" title=\"sanbrunoanniv1SM\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/sanbrunoanniv1SM-200x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kevin, Michele, Jayden, and Kaleah Ashley\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>September 9 will mark the one-year anniversary of the San Bruno pipeline explosion and subsequent fire in which eight people were killed and 38 homes destroyed. Leading up to the anniversary, Amy Standen of \u003ca href=\"http://science.kqed.org/quest/audio/san-bruno-marks-a-somber-anniversary/\">KQED QUEST\u003c/a> is interviewing survivors of the disaster.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Sept 9, 2010, Kevin Ashley was home with his two children on Claremont Drive, about a block away from the explosion. Jayden, then 4, and Kaleah, 1, had just finished dinner and were jumping on the bed. When the blast hit, Kevin says, the heat was so intense he didn’t think he could make it to his car. So he picked up his kids and ran.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today the Ashleys live in South San Francisco, and have no plans to return to San Bruno. “It’s not a home if you don’t feel safe,” says Michele Ashley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A year later, Kevin still finds it difficult to talk about the experience. 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As the people were running away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I told Jayden a couple of weeks ago, you should never doubt yourself in anything you do. Because the way that he and Kaleah reacted during that whole experience – he never cried, he didn’t panic. I told him he was a brave boy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Amy Standen\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\n\u003cp>There’s a lot of guilt that you live with; there’ s a lot of joy that you live with.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Do you remember what the fire looked like?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Jayden\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Orange flames. I put on a long cozy tee-shirt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kevin\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nHow did you feel?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Jayden\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nBad\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kevin\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nMy number one goal was, first of all, I didn’t want to die. But then I go, whatever, I didn’t want my kids to die. I didn’t want them to be burned. And then I decided, ‘it’s not going to happen.’ And it didn’t happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s our miracle from God. That’s the challenge you deal with: Your miracle is also someone else’s tragedy. There’s a lot of guilt that you live with; there’ s a lot of joy that you live with. Because of just surviving. Part of your kids’ innocence are lost.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">I just want someone to be held accountable of some stature.\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Do I have faith that PGE will be punished or anyone will be punished? I don’t think so. Just because of the nature of the politics and how everyone is connected. If you look at what happened in the the collapse of 2008, no bankers have really been punished. And I just see the same thing happening now, where PG&E is probably going to pay a fine from some fund set aside to some insurance, and it’s going to be business as usual until the next thing happens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I just want someone to be held accountable of some stature. It’s not going to bring anyone’s lives back, but so we don’t have these things happening in the future.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>You can listen to Amy Standen’s \u003ca href=\"http://science.kqed.org/quest/audio/san-bruno-marks-a-somber-anniversary/\">QUEST report\u003c/a> on the investigation into the explosion below:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>All of our San Bruno Stories:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/08/29/san-bruno-stories-i-didnt-want-to-die-but-then-i-go-whatever-i-didnt-want-my-kids-to-die/\">Part 1: ‘I didn’t want to die. But then I go, whatever, I didn’t want my kids to die.’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/08/30/san-bruno-stories-he-still-had-smoke-coming-off-his-entire-body/\">Part 2: ‘He still had smoke coming off his entire body.’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/09/06/san-bruno-stories/\">Part 3: ‘The kids ask, ‘Why was the fire on our house?’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/09/08/san-bruno-stories-i-knew-our-house-and-the-greatest-cats-in-the-world-were-gone-but-i-was-smiling/\">Part 4: ‘I knew our house…[was] gone, but I was smiling…’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/09/09/san-bruno-stories-she%E2%80%99s-screaming-into-her-cell-phone-and-all-i-heard-was-screaming/\">Part 5: ‘She’s screaming into her cell phone, and all I heard was screaming’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/09/09/san-bruno-stories-they-cut-corners-took-shortcuts-looked-for-ways-to-interpret-federal-law-in-a-manner-that-would-benefit-them-financially/\">Part 6: ‘They cut corners, took shortcuts…’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1685492548,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":780},"headData":{"title":"San Bruno Stories: \"I didn't want to die. 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I told him he was a brave boy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Amy Standen\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\n\u003cp>There’s a lot of guilt that you live with; there’ s a lot of joy that you live with.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Do you remember what the fire looked like?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Jayden\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Orange flames. I put on a long cozy tee-shirt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kevin\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nHow did you feel?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Jayden\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nBad\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kevin\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\nMy number one goal was, first of all, I didn’t want to die. But then I go, whatever, I didn’t want my kids to die. I didn’t want them to be burned. And then I decided, ‘it’s not going to happen.’ And it didn’t happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s our miracle from God. That’s the challenge you deal with: Your miracle is also someone else’s tragedy. There’s a lot of guilt that you live with; there’ s a lot of joy that you live with. Because of just surviving. Part of your kids’ innocence are lost.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">I just want someone to be held accountable of some stature.\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Do I have faith that PGE will be punished or anyone will be punished? I don’t think so. Just because of the nature of the politics and how everyone is connected. If you look at what happened in the the collapse of 2008, no bankers have really been punished. And I just see the same thing happening now, where PG&E is probably going to pay a fine from some fund set aside to some insurance, and it’s going to be business as usual until the next thing happens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I just want someone to be held accountable of some stature. It’s not going to bring anyone’s lives back, but so we don’t have these things happening in the future.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>You can listen to Amy Standen’s \u003ca href=\"http://science.kqed.org/quest/audio/san-bruno-marks-a-somber-anniversary/\">QUEST report\u003c/a> on the investigation into the explosion below:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>All of our San Bruno Stories:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/08/29/san-bruno-stories-i-didnt-want-to-die-but-then-i-go-whatever-i-didnt-want-my-kids-to-die/\">Part 1: ‘I didn’t want to die. But then I go, whatever, I didn’t want my kids to die.’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/08/30/san-bruno-stories-he-still-had-smoke-coming-off-his-entire-body/\">Part 2: ‘He still had smoke coming off his entire body.’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/09/06/san-bruno-stories/\">Part 3: ‘The kids ask, ‘Why was the fire on our house?’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/09/08/san-bruno-stories-i-knew-our-house-and-the-greatest-cats-in-the-world-were-gone-but-i-was-smiling/\">Part 4: ‘I knew our house…[was] gone, but I was smiling…’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/09/09/san-bruno-stories-she%E2%80%99s-screaming-into-her-cell-phone-and-all-i-heard-was-screaming/\">Part 5: ‘She’s screaming into her cell phone, and all I heard was screaming’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/09/09/san-bruno-stories-they-cut-corners-took-shortcuts-looked-for-ways-to-interpret-federal-law-in-a-manner-that-would-benefit-them-financially/\">Part 6: ‘They cut corners, took shortcuts…’\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/38503/san-bruno-stories-i-didnt-want-to-die-but-then-i-go-whatever-i-didnt-want-my-kids-to-die","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8"],"tags":["news_1814","news_140","news_141","news_1837"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_38309":{"type":"posts","id":"news_38309","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"38309","score":null,"sort":[1314386307000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"documents-show-deep-rift-over-methyl-iodide-approval-directors-concern-over-manufacturers-reaction","title":"Documents Show Deep Rift Over Methyl Iodide Approval, Director's Concern Over Manufacturer's Reaction","publishDate":1314386307,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Late last year, just before Governor Schwarzenegger left office, his administration approved a \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/tag/methyl-iodide/\">controversial\u003c/a> strawberry pesticide called methyl iodide. Environmental groups quickly \u003ca href=\"http://earthjustice.org/our_work/cases/2011/california-s-approval-of-methyl-iodide-challenged\">sued\u003c/a> to have the decision overturned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_38327\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/strawberryfumigation.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-38327\" title=\"strawberryfumigation\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/strawberryfumigation.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo: KQED QUEST\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A key question posed by the plaintiffs was this: \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/03/01/methyl-iodide-mystery-where-did-the-state-get-its-higher-safe-level-number-from/\">Why\u003c/a> was the state's Department of Pesticide Regulation (DPR) allowing farmworkers to be exposed to methyl iodide at levels more than \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/07/methyl-iodide-controversy_n_602904.html\">100 times higher\u003c/a> than what the agency's own staff scientists believed was safe?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When pressed for documents that might reveal the agency's rationale, the then-head of the DPR, Mary-Anne Warmerdam, declined to release them, saying they were legally protected by what's called the \"deliberative process\" exemption under the \u003ca href=\"http://documents.latimes.com/ca-public-records-act-summary/\">California Public Records Act\u003c/a>; this allows some of the back-and-forth between agency decision makers and their advisors that preceded a particular decision to be kept private under certain circumstances. A public records act request filed by KQED elicited the same response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Earlier this month, a judge \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/methyliodideorderonincamera2.pdf\">disagreed\u003c/a> (.pdf) and ordered the DPR to release the documents, which plaintiffs shared with reporters on Thursday. \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The documents show a deep rift within the DPR, between staff scientists who believed that methyl iodide was too hazardous for farmworkers, and the DPR managers, led by Warmerdam, who approved it.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">The MeI RCD has been vetted in a transparent manner, has undergone a rigorous external peer review, and we stand by our methodology. If the risk management approach is to be predicated on another approach [that] should be selected in a transparent and credible manner. We may not agree with that decision, but that is management's prerogative. However, the presentation of that risk management decision should not imply that the DPR risk assessment is the basis for that decision...\n\u003cp>-Memo from Jay Schreider, Primary State Toxicologist\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Referring to the DPR's explanation for why it had approved methyl iodide, Jay Schreider, the Primary State Toxicologist wrote, \"I am puzzled by the numbers cited.\" Warmerdam's methods for reaching the agency's allowable exposure levels were \"not scientifically credible,\" wrote Schreider.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other documents show Warmerdam rejecting scientists' recommendations on the grounds that they are \"excessive and difficult to enforce.\" The pesticide manufacturer, Arysta Lifescience, might find those recommendations \"unacceptable,\" or \"not economically viable,\" Warmerdam wrote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"[Warmerdam's] method was to consult with the pesticide manufacture and determine what was acceptable to them, and then decide on what an acceptable level of exposure was,\" said Susan Kegley, a consulting scientist for Pesticide Action Network, one of the groups suing the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DPR spokeswoman Lea Brooks declined to comment on the documents, citing the pending litigation. \"It is inappropriate to try this case in the media,\" Brooks said. Warmerdam resigned from the Department of Pesticide Regulation in January. Governor Jerry Brown has yet to appoint her successor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The fact that the documents were released at all is a rebuke to the DPR. In his order, Judge Frank Roesch of the Alameda Superior Court found that the \"great majority\" of the documents should never have been withheld in the first place, either from plaintiffs or reporters. As for the rest, wrote Roesch, \"the interest in public disclosure clearly outweighs agency interest in non-disclosure.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>You can listen to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201108260850/b\">audio version\u003c/a> of this report here. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Related documents (pdf):\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/methlyiodideDecisionoptions.pdf\">Registration Decision Options\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/methyliodideemailmemo.pdf\">Memo from Primary State Toxicologist\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>See also:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/03/01/methyl-iodide-mystery-where-did-the-state-get-its-higher-safe-level-number-from/\">Methyl Iodide Mystery: Where Did the State Get Its Higher Safe-Level Number From?\u003c/a> (News Fix)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1314395094,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":16,"wordCount":575},"headData":{"title":"Documents Show Deep Rift Over Methyl Iodide Approval, Director's Concern Over Manufacturer's Reaction | KQED","description":"Late last year, just before Governor Schwarzenegger left office, his administration approved a controversial strawberry pesticide called methyl iodide. 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Environmental groups quickly \u003ca href=\"http://earthjustice.org/our_work/cases/2011/california-s-approval-of-methyl-iodide-challenged\">sued\u003c/a> to have the decision overturned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_38327\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/strawberryfumigation.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-38327\" title=\"strawberryfumigation\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/strawberryfumigation.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo: KQED QUEST\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A key question posed by the plaintiffs was this: \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/03/01/methyl-iodide-mystery-where-did-the-state-get-its-higher-safe-level-number-from/\">Why\u003c/a> was the state's Department of Pesticide Regulation (DPR) allowing farmworkers to be exposed to methyl iodide at levels more than \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/07/methyl-iodide-controversy_n_602904.html\">100 times higher\u003c/a> than what the agency's own staff scientists believed was safe?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When pressed for documents that might reveal the agency's rationale, the then-head of the DPR, Mary-Anne Warmerdam, declined to release them, saying they were legally protected by what's called the \"deliberative process\" exemption under the \u003ca href=\"http://documents.latimes.com/ca-public-records-act-summary/\">California Public Records Act\u003c/a>; this allows some of the back-and-forth between agency decision makers and their advisors that preceded a particular decision to be kept private under certain circumstances. A public records act request filed by KQED elicited the same response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Earlier this month, a judge \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/methyliodideorderonincamera2.pdf\">disagreed\u003c/a> (.pdf) and ordered the DPR to release the documents, which plaintiffs shared with reporters on Thursday. \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The documents show a deep rift within the DPR, between staff scientists who believed that methyl iodide was too hazardous for farmworkers, and the DPR managers, led by Warmerdam, who approved it.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">The MeI RCD has been vetted in a transparent manner, has undergone a rigorous external peer review, and we stand by our methodology. If the risk management approach is to be predicated on another approach [that] should be selected in a transparent and credible manner. We may not agree with that decision, but that is management's prerogative. However, the presentation of that risk management decision should not imply that the DPR risk assessment is the basis for that decision...\n\u003cp>-Memo from Jay Schreider, Primary State Toxicologist\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Referring to the DPR's explanation for why it had approved methyl iodide, Jay Schreider, the Primary State Toxicologist wrote, \"I am puzzled by the numbers cited.\" Warmerdam's methods for reaching the agency's allowable exposure levels were \"not scientifically credible,\" wrote Schreider.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other documents show Warmerdam rejecting scientists' recommendations on the grounds that they are \"excessive and difficult to enforce.\" The pesticide manufacturer, Arysta Lifescience, might find those recommendations \"unacceptable,\" or \"not economically viable,\" Warmerdam wrote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"[Warmerdam's] method was to consult with the pesticide manufacture and determine what was acceptable to them, and then decide on what an acceptable level of exposure was,\" said Susan Kegley, a consulting scientist for Pesticide Action Network, one of the groups suing the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DPR spokeswoman Lea Brooks declined to comment on the documents, citing the pending litigation. \"It is inappropriate to try this case in the media,\" Brooks said. Warmerdam resigned from the Department of Pesticide Regulation in January. Governor Jerry Brown has yet to appoint her successor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The fact that the documents were released at all is a rebuke to the DPR. In his order, Judge Frank Roesch of the Alameda Superior Court found that the \"great majority\" of the documents should never have been withheld in the first place, either from plaintiffs or reporters. As for the rest, wrote Roesch, \"the interest in public disclosure clearly outweighs agency interest in non-disclosure.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>You can listen to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201108260850/b\">audio version\u003c/a> of this report here. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Related documents (pdf):\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/methlyiodideDecisionoptions.pdf\">Registration Decision Options\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/methyliodideemailmemo.pdf\">Memo from Primary State Toxicologist\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>See also:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/03/01/methyl-iodide-mystery-where-did-the-state-get-its-higher-safe-level-number-from/\">Methyl Iodide Mystery: Where Did the State Get Its Higher Safe-Level Number From?\u003c/a> (News Fix)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/38309/documents-show-deep-rift-over-methyl-iodide-approval-directors-concern-over-manufacturers-reaction","authors":["210"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_356"],"tags":["news_1814","news_890"],"label":"news_6944"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. 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