How Difficult ‘Day After’ Discussions with Students Can Help Them Process the Present and Prepare for the Future
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Sign up for the\u003c/em> \u003ca href=\"https://us2.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=66c306eebb323868c3ce353c1&id=d3ee4c3e04\">Hechinger newsletter\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staring at the faces of the middle school teachers on her computer screen, Principal Laina Cox felt the tears welling up — again. They were discussing an email she’d sent the night before. The subject line read: “Living history.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Written hours after a violent mob of rioters invaded the U.S. Capitol and shook the country, Cox’s note called on every single teacher to talk about the insurrection in class. She wanted every middle schooler at Capital City Public Charter School in Washington D.C. to remember who was standing in front of them, and what they learned, on Jan. 7, the day after the attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I require my teachers to be truth tellers,” Cox said. “We aren’t able to process as people. We have to process as those people who are standing in front of children.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last Thursday was the latest in a decades-long string of markedly difficult days for educators — the “day after,” when the country begins to process and some teachers push aside planned lessons to explore students’ questions and unpack their emotions. These are days that educators say shape their careers and classrooms — and experts say include increasingly crucial conversations as historic national events become more frequent and polarizing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/DingleTeach/status/1346907988297134082\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cox can rattle off from memory nearly a dozen of these tearful mornings, starting with the September 11 attacks during her first week of student teaching. Graduate school hadn’t prepared her for that, she said, but it had left her with the impression that she wasn’t supposed to cry in front of students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Related:\u003c/strong> \u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-a-u-s-history-teacher-scrambles-to-explain-unprecedented-attacks-and-desecration-of-democracy/\">A U.S. history teacher scrambles to explain unprecedented attacks and desecration of democracy\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This 20-year difference is such an eye-opening piece for me,” Cox said. Back then, she was nervous about the fact that she had cried in front of her students and had “shown them my vulnerability,” she said. In 2021, she said she was “crying with confidence because I knew that that represented my passion.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sept. 12, 2001\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_57231\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-57231\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Patrie_day-after.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"279\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Patrie_day-after.png 689w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Patrie_day-after-160x223.png 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Caroline Patrie is a high school science teacher in Maine's Portland Public Schools; her first day as a teacher was September 11, 2001. \u003ccite>(Caroline Patrie)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>September 11 was Caroline Patrie’s first day teaching. Construction had pushed back the new school year at her Vermont high school. The intercom and phones weren’t set up yet, so a teacher came to Patrie’s room to tell her everyone was gathering in the library. Together, they watched the second tower fall. Then they heard the scream of jets taking off from a nearby National Guard armory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In that very instant that day it became really crystal clear to me what public education really is about,” she said. “It's about teaching human beings, and it’s not science or English or social studies or math … It’s about teaching human beings how to become good people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The next day, Sept. 12, Patrie started her class by being honest and talking about her own shock. From then on, Patrie, a science teacher, started difficult days by asking her students how they felt — an approach recommended by the education nonprofit Facing History and Ourselves. A guide published by the organization\u003ca href=\"https://www.facinghistory.org/educator-resources/current-events/responding-insurrection-us-capitol\"> last week\u003c/a> suggests teachers, “focus first on emotional processing, addressing the ‘heart’ before the ‘head.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dec. 15, 2012\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marie Hydukovich was pregnant with her second child on Dec. 14, 2012, the day that 20 children and six adults were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary. She found out through an email, then looked at the middle school students in her classroom in Saint Paul, Minnesota, and calmly moved to lock the door.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_57232\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-57232\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Hydukovich_day-after-e1610733854966.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"248\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Hydukovich_day-after-e1610733854966.jpeg 685w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Hydukovich_day-after-e1610733854966-160x199.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Marie Hydukovich was teaching middle school when she heard that 20 children had been murdered at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. She is currently a library media specialist at South Saint Paul Public Schools, in Minnesota. \u003ccite>(Marie Hydukovich)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The next morning, her students wanted to talk about what had happened at the Connecticut elementary; as a class they read an article on \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/US/studentnews/quick.guide/archive/index.html\">CNN Student News\u003c/a>. Then they moved on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Kids just need time to talk if they want to, but they also need to not be forced to talk,” Hydukovich said. “We always worry so much about what would we say to kids about what happened, we don’t always worry about where do we give kids space to just not.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She locked her classroom door every day for the rest of the school year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April 20, 2015\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The day after Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old Black man, died of a severe spinal cord injury while in police custody in Baltimore, math teacher Justin Aion was instructed by his administration not to address what had happened. Looking at a room of students of color, Aion felt the directive was wrong. There was no similar order after Sandy Hook, he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Kids are not dumb,” he said. “Kids know what’s happening in the world ... It dismisses them and it dismisses their emotions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aion, who now works for an environmental charter school’s fledgling high school, which is chartered by Pittsburgh Public Schools, didn’t bring up Gray, but he gave his students room to talk when they brought him up.* After that he started regularly encouraging conversations about politics and social injustice into his math class. Then, when a major national event affected his students, it wasn’t as jarring to open a discussion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All teaching is political. What we choose to teach, how we choose to teach, all of those are political decisions,” Aion said. “And you cannot teach kids who are traumatized ... Ignoring that in order to examine content standards is incredibly short sighted.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Related:\u003c/strong> \u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-confused-and-angry-young-teachers-seek-guidance-on-discussing-current-events-with-students/\">Confused and angry, young teachers seek guidance on discussing current events with students\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>March 14, 2020\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After Breonna Taylor was fatally shot by police while asleep in her Louisville apartment on March 13 2020, Cox, the Washington D.C. principal, sent a staff email with the subject line, “A letter for Black women.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_57233\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-57233\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"220\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117.jpg 1702w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-800x881.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-1020x1124.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-160x176.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-768x846.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-1394x1536.jpg 1394w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Laina Cox, a middle school principal at Capital City Public Charter in Washington D.C., raises a fist in support of Black Lives Matter. \u003ccite>(Laina Cox)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In response to the shooting, the school gave Black staff members a mental health day, “to deal with the post-traumatic stress that was coming from the continued murders of Black people at the hands of police,” Cox said. Meanwhile, white staff members attended anti-racist workshops, planning how to address the situation and take action to eradicate racism in a predominantly Black and Hispanic middle school. Cox oversaw all of it from the guest room in her home while school remained virtual due to the coronavirus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Trying to process through this trauma behind a Zoom screen has been overwhelming,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jan. 7, 2021\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Jan. 7, in Georgia, Marian Dingle’s fourth graders first read an article about the state’s two senate candidates who won their run-off elections the day before, turning the U.S. Senate blue. Then they read one about the attack on the Capitol. They discussed four key words: protest, riot, coup and insurrection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Jan. 8, they talked about what led up to the insurrection. And they’ll keep talking about it. Dingle said it’s her responsibility to identify racism for her students, to stop them from internalizing the shame that comes with it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For people of color, especially for Black people, there is no ‘day after.’ It’s every day. It’s just Tuesday,” Dingle said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Done right, these conversations can help prevent a future “day after,” said Darcy Richie, senior director of program and impact for \u003ca href=\"https://generationcitizen.org/\">Generation Citizen\u003c/a>, a civics education organization that supports students getting involved in local issues. The scope of these conversations can be small, she said, focusing on how national issues play out in students’ daily lives. And the goal can be simple: helping students feel confident in their knowledge of how government works and empowering them to be civically engaged.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The way the world is operating right now ... is not okay,” Richie said. “And we just have to acknowledge so much of the change that is necessary falls on the shoulders of teachers. But I believe in the power of teachers, I believe teachers can change the world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>*An earlier version of this article misstated the relationship between the school and Pittsburgh Public Schools. We regret this error. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story about \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/last-week-was-tough-teachers-say-but-it-wasnt-the-first-difficult-day-after-theyve-faced\">\u003cem>teaching the Capitol insurrection\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> was produced by \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/\">\u003cem>\u003cu>The Hechinger Report\u003c/u>\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>, a nonprofit, independent news organization focused on inequality and innovation in education. Sign up for the\u003c/em> \u003ca href=\"https://us2.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=66c306eebb323868c3ce353c1&id=d3ee4c3e04\">Hechinger newsletter\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Teachers reflect on five events — from 9/11 to the Capitol attack — and the ensuing classroom conversations that have shaped their careers and the lives of students.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1611165694,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":37,"wordCount":1550},"headData":{"title":"How Difficult ‘Day After’ Discussions with Students Can Help Them Process the Present and Prepare for the Future - MindShift","description":"Teachers reflect on five events — from 9/11 to the Capitol attack — and the ensuing classroom conversations that have shaped their careers and the lives of students.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"How Difficult ‘Day After’ Discussions with Students Can Help Them Process the Present and Prepare for the Future","datePublished":"2021-01-15T20:09:40.000Z","dateModified":"2021-01-20T18:01:34.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"57227 https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/?p=57227","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/2021/01/15/how-difficult-day-after-discussions-with-students-can-help-them-process-the-present-and-prepare-for-the-future/","disqusTitle":"How Difficult ‘Day After’ Discussions with Students Can Help Them Process the Present and Prepare for the Future","nprByline":"\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/\">Emma Kate Fittes, The Hechinger Report\u003c/a>","path":"/mindshift/57227/how-difficult-day-after-discussions-with-students-can-help-them-process-the-present-and-prepare-for-the-future","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>This story about \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/last-week-was-tough-teachers-say-but-it-wasnt-the-first-difficult-day-after-theyve-faced\">\u003cem>teaching the Capitol insurrection\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> was produced by \u003c/em>\u003cem>\u003cu>The Hechinger Report\u003c/u>\u003c/em>\u003cem>, a nonprofit, independent news organization focused on inequality and innovation in education. Sign up for the\u003c/em> \u003ca href=\"https://us2.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=66c306eebb323868c3ce353c1&id=d3ee4c3e04\">Hechinger newsletter\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staring at the faces of the middle school teachers on her computer screen, Principal Laina Cox felt the tears welling up — again. They were discussing an email she’d sent the night before. The subject line read: “Living history.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Written hours after a violent mob of rioters invaded the U.S. Capitol and shook the country, Cox’s note called on every single teacher to talk about the insurrection in class. She wanted every middle schooler at Capital City Public Charter School in Washington D.C. to remember who was standing in front of them, and what they learned, on Jan. 7, the day after the attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I require my teachers to be truth tellers,” Cox said. “We aren’t able to process as people. We have to process as those people who are standing in front of children.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last Thursday was the latest in a decades-long string of markedly difficult days for educators — the “day after,” when the country begins to process and some teachers push aside planned lessons to explore students’ questions and unpack their emotions. These are days that educators say shape their careers and classrooms — and experts say include increasingly crucial conversations as historic national events become more frequent and polarizing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1346907988297134082"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Cox can rattle off from memory nearly a dozen of these tearful mornings, starting with the September 11 attacks during her first week of student teaching. Graduate school hadn’t prepared her for that, she said, but it had left her with the impression that she wasn’t supposed to cry in front of students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Related:\u003c/strong> \u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-a-u-s-history-teacher-scrambles-to-explain-unprecedented-attacks-and-desecration-of-democracy/\">A U.S. history teacher scrambles to explain unprecedented attacks and desecration of democracy\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This 20-year difference is such an eye-opening piece for me,” Cox said. Back then, she was nervous about the fact that she had cried in front of her students and had “shown them my vulnerability,” she said. In 2021, she said she was “crying with confidence because I knew that that represented my passion.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sept. 12, 2001\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_57231\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-57231\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Patrie_day-after.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"279\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Patrie_day-after.png 689w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Patrie_day-after-160x223.png 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Caroline Patrie is a high school science teacher in Maine's Portland Public Schools; her first day as a teacher was September 11, 2001. \u003ccite>(Caroline Patrie)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>September 11 was Caroline Patrie’s first day teaching. Construction had pushed back the new school year at her Vermont high school. The intercom and phones weren’t set up yet, so a teacher came to Patrie’s room to tell her everyone was gathering in the library. Together, they watched the second tower fall. Then they heard the scream of jets taking off from a nearby National Guard armory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In that very instant that day it became really crystal clear to me what public education really is about,” she said. “It's about teaching human beings, and it’s not science or English or social studies or math … It’s about teaching human beings how to become good people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The next day, Sept. 12, Patrie started her class by being honest and talking about her own shock. From then on, Patrie, a science teacher, started difficult days by asking her students how they felt — an approach recommended by the education nonprofit Facing History and Ourselves. A guide published by the organization\u003ca href=\"https://www.facinghistory.org/educator-resources/current-events/responding-insurrection-us-capitol\"> last week\u003c/a> suggests teachers, “focus first on emotional processing, addressing the ‘heart’ before the ‘head.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dec. 15, 2012\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marie Hydukovich was pregnant with her second child on Dec. 14, 2012, the day that 20 children and six adults were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary. She found out through an email, then looked at the middle school students in her classroom in Saint Paul, Minnesota, and calmly moved to lock the door.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_57232\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-57232\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Hydukovich_day-after-e1610733854966.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"248\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Hydukovich_day-after-e1610733854966.jpeg 685w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Hydukovich_day-after-e1610733854966-160x199.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Marie Hydukovich was teaching middle school when she heard that 20 children had been murdered at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. She is currently a library media specialist at South Saint Paul Public Schools, in Minnesota. \u003ccite>(Marie Hydukovich)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The next morning, her students wanted to talk about what had happened at the Connecticut elementary; as a class they read an article on \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/US/studentnews/quick.guide/archive/index.html\">CNN Student News\u003c/a>. Then they moved on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Kids just need time to talk if they want to, but they also need to not be forced to talk,” Hydukovich said. “We always worry so much about what would we say to kids about what happened, we don’t always worry about where do we give kids space to just not.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She locked her classroom door every day for the rest of the school year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April 20, 2015\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The day after Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old Black man, died of a severe spinal cord injury while in police custody in Baltimore, math teacher Justin Aion was instructed by his administration not to address what had happened. Looking at a room of students of color, Aion felt the directive was wrong. There was no similar order after Sandy Hook, he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Kids are not dumb,” he said. “Kids know what’s happening in the world ... It dismisses them and it dismisses their emotions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aion, who now works for an environmental charter school’s fledgling high school, which is chartered by Pittsburgh Public Schools, didn’t bring up Gray, but he gave his students room to talk when they brought him up.* After that he started regularly encouraging conversations about politics and social injustice into his math class. Then, when a major national event affected his students, it wasn’t as jarring to open a discussion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All teaching is political. What we choose to teach, how we choose to teach, all of those are political decisions,” Aion said. “And you cannot teach kids who are traumatized ... Ignoring that in order to examine content standards is incredibly short sighted.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Related:\u003c/strong> \u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-confused-and-angry-young-teachers-seek-guidance-on-discussing-current-events-with-students/\">Confused and angry, young teachers seek guidance on discussing current events with students\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>March 14, 2020\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After Breonna Taylor was fatally shot by police while asleep in her Louisville apartment on March 13 2020, Cox, the Washington D.C. principal, sent a staff email with the subject line, “A letter for Black women.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_57233\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-57233\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"220\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117.jpg 1702w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-800x881.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-1020x1124.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-160x176.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-768x846.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2021/01/Cox_day-after_2-scaled-e1610733730117-1394x1536.jpg 1394w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Laina Cox, a middle school principal at Capital City Public Charter in Washington D.C., raises a fist in support of Black Lives Matter. \u003ccite>(Laina Cox)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In response to the shooting, the school gave Black staff members a mental health day, “to deal with the post-traumatic stress that was coming from the continued murders of Black people at the hands of police,” Cox said. Meanwhile, white staff members attended anti-racist workshops, planning how to address the situation and take action to eradicate racism in a predominantly Black and Hispanic middle school. Cox oversaw all of it from the guest room in her home while school remained virtual due to the coronavirus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Trying to process through this trauma behind a Zoom screen has been overwhelming,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jan. 7, 2021\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Jan. 7, in Georgia, Marian Dingle’s fourth graders first read an article about the state’s two senate candidates who won their run-off elections the day before, turning the U.S. Senate blue. Then they read one about the attack on the Capitol. They discussed four key words: protest, riot, coup and insurrection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Jan. 8, they talked about what led up to the insurrection. And they’ll keep talking about it. Dingle said it’s her responsibility to identify racism for her students, to stop them from internalizing the shame that comes with it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For people of color, especially for Black people, there is no ‘day after.’ It’s every day. It’s just Tuesday,” Dingle said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Done right, these conversations can help prevent a future “day after,” said Darcy Richie, senior director of program and impact for \u003ca href=\"https://generationcitizen.org/\">Generation Citizen\u003c/a>, a civics education organization that supports students getting involved in local issues. The scope of these conversations can be small, she said, focusing on how national issues play out in students’ daily lives. And the goal can be simple: helping students feel confident in their knowledge of how government works and empowering them to be civically engaged.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The way the world is operating right now ... is not okay,” Richie said. “And we just have to acknowledge so much of the change that is necessary falls on the shoulders of teachers. But I believe in the power of teachers, I believe teachers can change the world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>*An earlier version of this article misstated the relationship between the school and Pittsburgh Public Schools. We regret this error. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story about \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/last-week-was-tough-teachers-say-but-it-wasnt-the-first-difficult-day-after-theyve-faced\">\u003cem>teaching the Capitol insurrection\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> was produced by \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/\">\u003cem>\u003cu>The Hechinger Report\u003c/u>\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>, a nonprofit, independent news organization focused on inequality and innovation in education. Sign up for the\u003c/em> \u003ca href=\"https://us2.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=66c306eebb323868c3ce353c1&id=d3ee4c3e04\">Hechinger newsletter\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/mindshift/57227/how-difficult-day-after-discussions-with-students-can-help-them-process-the-present-and-prepare-for-the-future","authors":["byline_mindshift_57227"],"categories":["mindshift_21357"],"tags":["mindshift_21322","mindshift_20533","mindshift_20558","mindshift_20701","mindshift_21213"],"featImg":"mindshift_57236","label":"mindshift"},"mindshift_31746":{"type":"posts","id":"mindshift_31746","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"mindshift","id":"31746","score":null,"sort":[1380560776000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"good-talk-raising-smart-learners-through-rich-conversations","title":"Good Talk: Raising Smart Learners Through Rich Conversations","publishDate":1380560776,"format":"aside","headTitle":"MindShift | KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"mindshift"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_31752\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-31752\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2013/09/3813941041_4af32fbde1_z1-e1380560620117.jpg\" alt=\"3813941041_4af32fbde1_z\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2013/09/3813941041_4af32fbde1_z1-e1380560620117.jpg 640w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2013/09/3813941041_4af32fbde1_z1-e1380560620117-400x225.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2013/09/3813941041_4af32fbde1_z1-e1380560620117-320x180.jpg 320w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\"> \u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp class=\"dropcap-serif\">When it comes to children’s learning, are we focusing too much on schools—and not enough on parents?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is, quite rightly, a cacophonous debate on how to reform schools, open up colleges, and widen access to pre-K learning,” notes a new \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=b63ddcf428&e=c73b114bbb\">article\u003c/a>, “Parenting, Politics, and Social Mobility,” published by the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank. “But too little attention is paid to another divide affecting social mobility—the parenting gap.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Given all the roiling debates about how America’s children should be taught, it may come as a surprise to learn that students spend \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=fb36b38568&e=c73b114bbb\">less than 15% of their time\u003c/a> in school. While there’s no doubt that school is important, a clutch of recent studies reminds us that parents are even more so. A \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=bb4c223c50&e=c73b114bbb\">study\u003c/a> by researchers at North Carolina State University, Brigham Young University and the University of California-Irvine, for example, finds that parental involvement—checking homework, attending school meetings and events, discussing school activities at home—has a more powerful influence on students’ academic performance than anything about the school the students attend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=96fa4e4e79&e=c73b114bbb\">study\u003c/a>, published in the \u003cem>Review of Economics and Statistics\u003c/em>, reports that the effort put forth by parents (reading stories aloud, meeting with teachers) has a bigger impact on their children’s educational achievement than the effort expended by either teachers or the students themselves. And a third \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=55546b7b0f&e=c73b114bbb\">study\u003c/a> concludes that schools would have to increase their spending by more than $1,000 per pupil in order to achieve the same results that are gained with parental involvement (not likely in this stretched economic era).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So parents matter—a point made clear by decades of \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=e8bd017e15&e=c73b114bbb\">research\u003c/a> showing that a major part of the academic advantage held by children from affluent families comes from the “concerted cultivation of children” as compared to the more laissez-faire style of parenting common in working-class families. But this research also reveals something else: that parents, of all backgrounds, don’t need to buy expensive educational toys or digital devices for their kids in order to give them an edge. They don’t need to chauffeur their offspring to enrichment classes or test-prep courses. What they need to do with their children is much simpler: talk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But not just any talk. Although well-known \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=1ed35aca62&e=c73b114bbb\">research\u003c/a> by psychologists Betty Hart and Todd Risley has shown that professional parents talk more to their children than less-affluent parents—a lot more, \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=44f303f5d2&e=c73b114bbb\">resulting\u003c/a> in a 30 million “word gap” by the time children reach age three—more recent research is refining our sense of exactly what \u003cem>kinds\u003c/em> of talk at home foster children’s success at school. For example, a \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=147d255a3e&e=c73b114bbb\">study\u003c/a> conducted by researchers at the UCLA School of Public Health and published in the journal \u003cem>Pediatrics\u003c/em> found that two-way adult-child conversations were six times as potent in promoting language development as interludes in which the adult did all the talking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engaging in this reciprocal back-and-forth gives children a chance to try out language for themselves, and also gives them the sense that their thoughts and opinions matter. As they grow older, this feeling helps middle- and upper-class kids develop into assertive advocates for their own interests, while working-class students tend to avoid asking for help or arguing their own case with teachers, according to \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=b466598034&e=c73b114bbb\">research\u003c/a> presented at American Sociological Association conference last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The content of parents’ conversations with kids matters, too. Children who hear talk about counting and numbers at home start school with much more extensive mathematical knowledge, \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=30d3842178&e=c73b114bbb\">report\u003c/a> researchers from the University of Chicago—knowledge that predicts future achievement in the subject. Psychologist Susan Levine, who led the study on number words, has also found that the amount of talk young children hear about the spatial properties of the physical world—how big or small or round or sharp objects are—predicts kids’ problem-solving abilities as they prepare to enter kindergarten.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the conversations parents have with their children change as kids grow older, the effect of these exchanges on academic achievement remains strong. And again, the \u003cem>way\u003c/em> mothers and fathers talk to their middle-school students makes a difference. 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While there’s no doubt that school is important, a clutch of recent studies reminds us that parents are even more so. A \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=bb4c223c50&e=c73b114bbb\">study\u003c/a> by researchers at North Carolina State University, Brigham Young University and the University of California-Irvine, for example, finds that parental involvement—checking homework, attending school meetings and events, discussing school activities at home—has a more powerful influence on students’ academic performance than anything about the school the students attend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=96fa4e4e79&e=c73b114bbb\">study\u003c/a>, published in the \u003cem>Review of Economics and Statistics\u003c/em>, reports that the effort put forth by parents (reading stories aloud, meeting with teachers) has a bigger impact on their children’s educational achievement than the effort expended by either teachers or the students themselves. And a third \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=55546b7b0f&e=c73b114bbb\">study\u003c/a> concludes that schools would have to increase their spending by more than $1,000 per pupil in order to achieve the same results that are gained with parental involvement (not likely in this stretched economic era).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So parents matter—a point made clear by decades of \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=e8bd017e15&e=c73b114bbb\">research\u003c/a> showing that a major part of the academic advantage held by children from affluent families comes from the “concerted cultivation of children” as compared to the more laissez-faire style of parenting common in working-class families. But this research also reveals something else: that parents, of all backgrounds, don’t need to buy expensive educational toys or digital devices for their kids in order to give them an edge. They don’t need to chauffeur their offspring to enrichment classes or test-prep courses. What they need to do with their children is much simpler: talk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But not just any talk. Although well-known \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=1ed35aca62&e=c73b114bbb\">research\u003c/a> by psychologists Betty Hart and Todd Risley has shown that professional parents talk more to their children than less-affluent parents—a lot more, \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=44f303f5d2&e=c73b114bbb\">resulting\u003c/a> in a 30 million “word gap” by the time children reach age three—more recent research is refining our sense of exactly what \u003cem>kinds\u003c/em> of talk at home foster children’s success at school. For example, a \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=147d255a3e&e=c73b114bbb\">study\u003c/a> conducted by researchers at the UCLA School of Public Health and published in the journal \u003cem>Pediatrics\u003c/em> found that two-way adult-child conversations were six times as potent in promoting language development as interludes in which the adult did all the talking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engaging in this reciprocal back-and-forth gives children a chance to try out language for themselves, and also gives them the sense that their thoughts and opinions matter. As they grow older, this feeling helps middle- and upper-class kids develop into assertive advocates for their own interests, while working-class students tend to avoid asking for help or arguing their own case with teachers, according to \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=b466598034&e=c73b114bbb\">research\u003c/a> presented at American Sociological Association conference last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The content of parents’ conversations with kids matters, too. Children who hear talk about counting and numbers at home start school with much more extensive mathematical knowledge, \u003ca href=\"http://anniemurphypaul.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=bc04df008d4705e4e77c2eb35&id=30d3842178&e=c73b114bbb\">report\u003c/a> researchers from the University of Chicago—knowledge that predicts future achievement in the subject. 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