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Here's Her Message to Student Activists","publishDate":1714837963,"format":"standard","headTitle":"She Survived the 1970 Kent State Shooting. Here’s Her Message to Student Activists | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"mindshift"},"content":"\u003cp>When Roseann “Chic” Canfora arrived at Ohio’s Kent State University in 1968, she says she was constantly being given leaflets by anti-war activists on campus — and throwing them away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War was dragging on and deeply unpopular with a growing number of Americans. Over time, Canfora became one of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It wasn’t until I was personally touched, losing friends in that war and seeing the draft that would now take my brothers to that war, that I stopped throwing the anti-war leaflets away and I paid attention,” she recalls in an interview with NPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says she sees similarities with the students who are protesting at college campuses across the country today, calling for a cease-fire in Gaza and university divestment from companies linked to Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They at least know that they don’t want any famine and suffering and death done in their name,” she says. “And so it’s inspiring to see them having similar conversations that we had, saying ‘We don’t like what we’re seeing and we need to speak out against it.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Colleges across the country are grappling with how to respond to the demonstrations, with many administrations calling in local and state police to disperse them. \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/live/college-protests-palestine-updates\">More than 2,000 people \u003c/a>have been arrested at protests nationwide in the span of two weeks, with some injured in the process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>House Speaker Mike Johnson even called on President Biden to \u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/24/mike-johnson-columbia-national-guard-00154199\">send the National Guard\u003c/a> to Columbia University last week, days before New York City police cleared out and \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/01/1248401802/columbia-university-protests-new-york\">arrested some 300 protesters\u003c/a> there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora is all too familiar with what can happen when the National Guard cracks down on campus demonstrations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63707\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-63707\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/chic-canfora.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/chic-canfora.jpeg 600w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/chic-canfora-160x240.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Roseann “Chic” Canfora was a student at Kent State University in 1970, and came back as a professional in residence after several decades working in public education. \u003ccite>(Bob Christy)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As a sophomore, she was among the protesters rallying on May 4, 1970, when members of the Ohio National Guard \u003ca href=\"https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy\">fired into a crowd of students\u003c/a>, killing four and injuring nine — including her brother, Alan, who was one year her senior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My brother’s roommate pulled me behind a parked car, and it was at that moment that I realized this was live ammunition because the car was riddled with bullets,” she recalls. “The glass of the car windows was shattering above us, and we could hear the M1 bullets zipping past our heads and bumping into the ground in the pavement around us. And it was a horrifying 13 seconds.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora emerged from the car to find Alan and came across several classmates injured, including two who later died.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I ran to where I last saw him and saw the body of Jeff Miller at the foot of the hill, lying in a pool of blood,” she remembers. “I first thought it was my brother until I saw the clothing that he was wearing … One of our friends came up behind me and said, ‘Alan and Tom both got hit.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora was one of 25 people indicted in connection with the demonstration, and among the vast majority who were later exonerated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Those trials were eventually thrown out for lack of evidence that we had participated in a riot,” she explains. “Even though we were grateful that those indictments were thrown out … we had lost our opportunity to tell the world what happened that day.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora has spent the intervening decades working to correct the record and preserve the legacy of May 4 — and now works as a professional-in-residence at Kent State, teaching journalism and helping plan its annual commemorative events.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The events at Kent State more than five decades ago, she says, hold some especially timely takeaways today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s hard to believe that this will be our 54th year of returning to the Kent State campus to talk about what we witnessed and survived here, and to tell the truth that we know so that … people learn the right lessons from what happened here so that students on college campuses can exercise their freedom of speech without the fear of being silenced or harmed,” Canfora says.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The words and actions that led to May 4th\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63708\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 723px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-63708\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/ducking.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"723\" height=\"542\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/ducking.jpeg 723w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/ducking-160x120.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">People ducking and running for cover near a parking lot during the shooting at Kent State University on May 4, 1970. \u003ccite>(News Service May 4 photographs. Kent State University Libraries. Special Collections and Archives)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Anti-war protests on college campuses intensified after April 30, 1970, when President Richard Nixon announced the U.S. invasion of Cambodia — a marked escalation of a war that many hoped was winding down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students nationwide held protests on May 1, a Friday. The situation in Kent \u003ca href=\"https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy\">intensified over the weekend\u003c/a>, as demonstrators — including college students — clashed with police downtown, prompting Kent Mayor LeRoy Satrom to ask the governor to dispatch the Ohio National Guard to the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They arrived on Saturday night to find Kent State’s wooden ROTC building on fire, burning to the ground. On Sunday, Canfora says students held a peaceful sit-in on campus, calling on the university president to get the National Guard off campus, to no avail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“On Sunday night, three students were stabbed in the backs, in the legs by guardsmen and bayonets,” she remembers. “And that was all a foreshadowing of what was to come the next day, on Monday.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora says she can’t talk about the use of excessive force — then and now — without “tying it to the inflammatory rhetoric that inspired that force.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nixon referred to student protesters as “bums,” while then-California Gov. \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/1970/04/19/archives/reagan-remark-a-campaign-issue-bloodbath-comment-fuels-oratory-in.html\">Ronald Reagan\u003c/a> said “if it takes bloodbath” to deal with campus demonstrators “let’s get it over with.” On May 3, Ohio Gov. Jim Rhodes \u003ca href=\"https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2020/05/the-failures-and-lies-behind-the-student-killings-of-1968-and-1970-are-still-with-us-just-in-other-forms.html\">described\u003c/a> campus demonstrators as “the worst type of people that we harbor in America.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We were too young and naïve at 18 and 19 years old to know the danger of those inflammatory words,” Canfora says. “But we saw the repercussions of that when American soldiers turned their guns on American people — in fact, on American college students — because they were conditioned to see us as dangerous and an enemy. And we should all learn the lessons from that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She points out that the commission on campus unrest that Nixon formed in June 1970 would \u003ca href=\"https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED083899.pdf\">issue a report\u003c/a> calling the shootings “unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable,” while an \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/1970/10/31/archives/excerpts-from-summary-of-fbi-report-on-kent-state-u-disorders-last.html\">FBI report\u003c/a> released later that year found reason to believe the Guard’s claims of acting in self-defense were “fabricated subsequent to the event.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After an almost \u003ca href=\"https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy\">decade-long legal battle\u003c/a>, the Guardsmen settled out of court with more than two dozen defendants, though the state paid the families of injured students. The Ohio National Guard signed a statement that began, “In retrospect, the tragedy of May 4, 1970 should not have occurred.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora also draws parallels \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248634146/columbia-university-mayor-eric-adams-nypd-student-arrests\">between the misinformation\u003c/a> that ran rampant then and today, noting that “excuses” for the use of excessive force on campus began immediately after the shooting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students had two hours to leave campus, and she remembers watching the theories take off on television from her family’s house.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I had an aunt that came into our home while my brother was still bandaged from his wound saying, ‘You know, there was a sniper [threatening the Guardsmen],'” she says. “It was very difficult for middle America to believe that American soldiers would turn their guns on American people without some provocation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The shooting’s legacy on Kent State campus activism\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63709\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 690px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-63709\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/panel.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"690\" height=\"517\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/panel.jpeg 690w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/panel-160x120.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 690px) 100vw, 690px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alan and Chic Canfora, among others, take place in a panel discussion during the 15th Annual May 4 Commemoration in 1985. \u003ccite>(Kent State University Libraries. Special Collections and Archives)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Canfora and other students who survived the shooting returned to campus every year to tell their story and try to counter the rhetoric of the National Guard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the university said in 1975 that “five years was long enough to remember” — prompting students to work with survivors to form the May 4th Task Force, which still organizes annual commemorations to this day. This year’s includes the traditional candlelit walk around campus, a memorial service and special lectures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora says many years of activism led to wins like markers where the injured students fell on campus, so cars can no longer park there, a May 4th walking tour and visitor center with archives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n\u003ch3>Campus protests over the Gaza war\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/01/1248099600/campus-protests-faculty-arrests-letters-no-confidence-votes\">How some faculty members are defending student protesters, in actions and in words\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“And most importantly, we have a university administration that doesn’t … distance themselves from the tragedy,” she says. “But they embrace their history and they feel a responsibility as Kent State University to teach others what we learned from that, to make sure it never happens again on a college campus in this country.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kent State University President Todd Diacon told NPR that the importance of kindness, respect, free speech and civic dialogue are “baked into our DNA now,” including in its statement of core values and the work of its School for Peace and Conflict Studies, founded in 1971.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students at Kent State University have been gathering on campus for vigils, signing statements of solidarity and advocating for things like divestment from weapons manufacturers, he says, but without breaking school rules on things like encampments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would say literally all of them have really honored who we are as an institution and our aspirations for civic dialogue,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Diacon acknowledged that the situation is very different at other campuses around the country, and stressed that public universities like Kent State have much less leeway than private universities when it comes to restricting speech, and that even for public schools policies vary according to state law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think there’s no one size fits all when it comes to observing, or opining or evaluating how universities are addressing their situation,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Lessons for schools and protesters today\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63711\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 734px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-63711\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/jeeps-1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"734\" height=\"550\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/jeeps-1.jpeg 734w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/jeeps-1-160x120.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 734px) 100vw, 734px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">National Guard personnel and jeeps at Kent State University, with a crowd in the background. \u003ccite>(News Service May 4 photographs. Kent State University Libraries. Special Collections and Archives)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Even so, Diacon says, there are certain lessons from the shooting that are broadly applicable today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One is the danger of armed action on a college campus, he says, particularly when it comes to the National Guard, who are not controlled by the university administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think a primary lesson from Kent State is you need to have local law enforcement in the lead if you’re going to do something,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He also echoes Canfora’s point that the shootings did not happen in a vacuum — both in that they were not the only campus protests, and they followed an “dehumanization and demonization of opponents” due to increasingly polarizing rhetoric over the Vietnam War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora says she’s inspired by what she’s seeing from college students today, noting that they have much less free time for activism than her generation did — in part because so many have to work to afford tuition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her college tuition was $197 a quarter, and room and board came out to $450 a year, which she was able to pay for with her minimum-wage job and spending money from her mom. In contrast, she sees many of her own students balancing full course loads with 40-hour work weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These students today don’t have that time,” she says. “And they are finding that time to act, to make their voices heard.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And that’s important, she says, because — then and now — college students are “the conscience of America.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If not a college campus, where else in our society, in this democracy, can we count on large groups of people to do exactly what these college students are doing: paying attention to the world, looking at what is being done in the world … and coming up with strategies for opposing it if they don’t agree with it?” she asks. “That’s healthy. That shouldn’t be something that is feared.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"On May 4, 1970, the Ohio National Guard fired on Kent State students, killing four and wounding nine. A former student who now teaches there reflects on that day and offers lessons for protesters now.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1714997469,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":50,"wordCount":2138},"headData":{"title":"She Survived the 1970 Kent State Shooting. Here's Her Message to Student Activists | KQED","description":"On May 4, 1970, the Ohio National Guard fired on Kent State students, killing four and wounding nine. Chic Canfora reflects on the lessons for students.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialDescription":"On May 4, 1970, the Ohio National Guard fired on Kent State students, killing four and wounding nine. 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Over time, Canfora became one of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It wasn’t until I was personally touched, losing friends in that war and seeing the draft that would now take my brothers to that war, that I stopped throwing the anti-war leaflets away and I paid attention,” she recalls in an interview with NPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says she sees similarities with the students who are protesting at college campuses across the country today, calling for a cease-fire in Gaza and university divestment from companies linked to Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They at least know that they don’t want any famine and suffering and death done in their name,” she says. “And so it’s inspiring to see them having similar conversations that we had, saying ‘We don’t like what we’re seeing and we need to speak out against it.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Colleges across the country are grappling with how to respond to the demonstrations, with many administrations calling in local and state police to disperse them. \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/live/college-protests-palestine-updates\">More than 2,000 people \u003c/a>have been arrested at protests nationwide in the span of two weeks, with some injured in the process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>House Speaker Mike Johnson even called on President Biden to \u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/24/mike-johnson-columbia-national-guard-00154199\">send the National Guard\u003c/a> to Columbia University last week, days before New York City police cleared out and \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/01/1248401802/columbia-university-protests-new-york\">arrested some 300 protesters\u003c/a> there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora is all too familiar with what can happen when the National Guard cracks down on campus demonstrations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63707\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-63707\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/chic-canfora.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/chic-canfora.jpeg 600w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/chic-canfora-160x240.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Roseann “Chic” Canfora was a student at Kent State University in 1970, and came back as a professional in residence after several decades working in public education. \u003ccite>(Bob Christy)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As a sophomore, she was among the protesters rallying on May 4, 1970, when members of the Ohio National Guard \u003ca href=\"https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy\">fired into a crowd of students\u003c/a>, killing four and injuring nine — including her brother, Alan, who was one year her senior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My brother’s roommate pulled me behind a parked car, and it was at that moment that I realized this was live ammunition because the car was riddled with bullets,” she recalls. “The glass of the car windows was shattering above us, and we could hear the M1 bullets zipping past our heads and bumping into the ground in the pavement around us. And it was a horrifying 13 seconds.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora emerged from the car to find Alan and came across several classmates injured, including two who later died.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I ran to where I last saw him and saw the body of Jeff Miller at the foot of the hill, lying in a pool of blood,” she remembers. “I first thought it was my brother until I saw the clothing that he was wearing … One of our friends came up behind me and said, ‘Alan and Tom both got hit.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora was one of 25 people indicted in connection with the demonstration, and among the vast majority who were later exonerated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Those trials were eventually thrown out for lack of evidence that we had participated in a riot,” she explains. “Even though we were grateful that those indictments were thrown out … we had lost our opportunity to tell the world what happened that day.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora has spent the intervening decades working to correct the record and preserve the legacy of May 4 — and now works as a professional-in-residence at Kent State, teaching journalism and helping plan its annual commemorative events.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The events at Kent State more than five decades ago, she says, hold some especially timely takeaways today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s hard to believe that this will be our 54th year of returning to the Kent State campus to talk about what we witnessed and survived here, and to tell the truth that we know so that … people learn the right lessons from what happened here so that students on college campuses can exercise their freedom of speech without the fear of being silenced or harmed,” Canfora says.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The words and actions that led to May 4th\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63708\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 723px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-63708\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/ducking.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"723\" height=\"542\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/ducking.jpeg 723w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/ducking-160x120.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">People ducking and running for cover near a parking lot during the shooting at Kent State University on May 4, 1970. \u003ccite>(News Service May 4 photographs. Kent State University Libraries. Special Collections and Archives)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Anti-war protests on college campuses intensified after April 30, 1970, when President Richard Nixon announced the U.S. invasion of Cambodia — a marked escalation of a war that many hoped was winding down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students nationwide held protests on May 1, a Friday. The situation in Kent \u003ca href=\"https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy\">intensified over the weekend\u003c/a>, as demonstrators — including college students — clashed with police downtown, prompting Kent Mayor LeRoy Satrom to ask the governor to dispatch the Ohio National Guard to the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They arrived on Saturday night to find Kent State’s wooden ROTC building on fire, burning to the ground. On Sunday, Canfora says students held a peaceful sit-in on campus, calling on the university president to get the National Guard off campus, to no avail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“On Sunday night, three students were stabbed in the backs, in the legs by guardsmen and bayonets,” she remembers. “And that was all a foreshadowing of what was to come the next day, on Monday.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora says she can’t talk about the use of excessive force — then and now — without “tying it to the inflammatory rhetoric that inspired that force.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nixon referred to student protesters as “bums,” while then-California Gov. \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/1970/04/19/archives/reagan-remark-a-campaign-issue-bloodbath-comment-fuels-oratory-in.html\">Ronald Reagan\u003c/a> said “if it takes bloodbath” to deal with campus demonstrators “let’s get it over with.” On May 3, Ohio Gov. Jim Rhodes \u003ca href=\"https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2020/05/the-failures-and-lies-behind-the-student-killings-of-1968-and-1970-are-still-with-us-just-in-other-forms.html\">described\u003c/a> campus demonstrators as “the worst type of people that we harbor in America.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We were too young and naïve at 18 and 19 years old to know the danger of those inflammatory words,” Canfora says. “But we saw the repercussions of that when American soldiers turned their guns on American people — in fact, on American college students — because they were conditioned to see us as dangerous and an enemy. And we should all learn the lessons from that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She points out that the commission on campus unrest that Nixon formed in June 1970 would \u003ca href=\"https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED083899.pdf\">issue a report\u003c/a> calling the shootings “unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable,” while an \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/1970/10/31/archives/excerpts-from-summary-of-fbi-report-on-kent-state-u-disorders-last.html\">FBI report\u003c/a> released later that year found reason to believe the Guard’s claims of acting in self-defense were “fabricated subsequent to the event.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After an almost \u003ca href=\"https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy\">decade-long legal battle\u003c/a>, the Guardsmen settled out of court with more than two dozen defendants, though the state paid the families of injured students. The Ohio National Guard signed a statement that began, “In retrospect, the tragedy of May 4, 1970 should not have occurred.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora also draws parallels \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248634146/columbia-university-mayor-eric-adams-nypd-student-arrests\">between the misinformation\u003c/a> that ran rampant then and today, noting that “excuses” for the use of excessive force on campus began immediately after the shooting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students had two hours to leave campus, and she remembers watching the theories take off on television from her family’s house.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I had an aunt that came into our home while my brother was still bandaged from his wound saying, ‘You know, there was a sniper [threatening the Guardsmen],'” she says. “It was very difficult for middle America to believe that American soldiers would turn their guns on American people without some provocation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The shooting’s legacy on Kent State campus activism\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63709\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 690px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-63709\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/panel.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"690\" height=\"517\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/panel.jpeg 690w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/panel-160x120.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 690px) 100vw, 690px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alan and Chic Canfora, among others, take place in a panel discussion during the 15th Annual May 4 Commemoration in 1985. \u003ccite>(Kent State University Libraries. Special Collections and Archives)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Canfora and other students who survived the shooting returned to campus every year to tell their story and try to counter the rhetoric of the National Guard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the university said in 1975 that “five years was long enough to remember” — prompting students to work with survivors to form the May 4th Task Force, which still organizes annual commemorations to this day. This year’s includes the traditional candlelit walk around campus, a memorial service and special lectures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora says many years of activism led to wins like markers where the injured students fell on campus, so cars can no longer park there, a May 4th walking tour and visitor center with archives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n\u003ch3>Campus protests over the Gaza war\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/01/1248099600/campus-protests-faculty-arrests-letters-no-confidence-votes\">How some faculty members are defending student protesters, in actions and in words\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“And most importantly, we have a university administration that doesn’t … distance themselves from the tragedy,” she says. “But they embrace their history and they feel a responsibility as Kent State University to teach others what we learned from that, to make sure it never happens again on a college campus in this country.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kent State University President Todd Diacon told NPR that the importance of kindness, respect, free speech and civic dialogue are “baked into our DNA now,” including in its statement of core values and the work of its School for Peace and Conflict Studies, founded in 1971.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students at Kent State University have been gathering on campus for vigils, signing statements of solidarity and advocating for things like divestment from weapons manufacturers, he says, but without breaking school rules on things like encampments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would say literally all of them have really honored who we are as an institution and our aspirations for civic dialogue,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Diacon acknowledged that the situation is very different at other campuses around the country, and stressed that public universities like Kent State have much less leeway than private universities when it comes to restricting speech, and that even for public schools policies vary according to state law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think there’s no one size fits all when it comes to observing, or opining or evaluating how universities are addressing their situation,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Lessons for schools and protesters today\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63711\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 734px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-63711\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/jeeps-1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"734\" height=\"550\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/jeeps-1.jpeg 734w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/jeeps-1-160x120.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 734px) 100vw, 734px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">National Guard personnel and jeeps at Kent State University, with a crowd in the background. \u003ccite>(News Service May 4 photographs. Kent State University Libraries. Special Collections and Archives)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Even so, Diacon says, there are certain lessons from the shooting that are broadly applicable today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One is the danger of armed action on a college campus, he says, particularly when it comes to the National Guard, who are not controlled by the university administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think a primary lesson from Kent State is you need to have local law enforcement in the lead if you’re going to do something,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He also echoes Canfora’s point that the shootings did not happen in a vacuum — both in that they were not the only campus protests, and they followed an “dehumanization and demonization of opponents” due to increasingly polarizing rhetoric over the Vietnam War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canfora says she’s inspired by what she’s seeing from college students today, noting that they have much less free time for activism than her generation did — in part because so many have to work to afford tuition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her college tuition was $197 a quarter, and room and board came out to $450 a year, which she was able to pay for with her minimum-wage job and spending money from her mom. In contrast, she sees many of her own students balancing full course loads with 40-hour work weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These students today don’t have that time,” she says. “And they are finding that time to act, to make their voices heard.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And that’s important, she says, because — then and now — college students are “the conscience of America.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If not a college campus, where else in our society, in this democracy, can we count on large groups of people to do exactly what these college students are doing: paying attention to the world, looking at what is being done in the world … and coming up with strategies for opposing it if they don’t agree with it?” she asks. “That’s healthy. That shouldn’t be something that is feared.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/mindshift/63704/she-survived-the-1970-kent-state-shooting-heres-her-message-to-student-activists","authors":["byline_mindshift_63704"],"categories":["mindshift_21694"],"tags":["mindshift_21635","mindshift_1013","mindshift_21278","mindshift_20624"],"featImg":"mindshift_63705","label":"mindshift"},"mindshift_63713":{"type":"posts","id":"mindshift_63713","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"mindshift","id":"63713","score":null,"sort":[1714653504000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"college-student-explores-rare-mental-health-condition-in-award-winning-podcast","title":"College Student Explores Rare Mental Health Condition in Award-Winning Podcast","publishDate":1714653504,"format":"standard","headTitle":"College Student Explores Rare Mental Health Condition in Award-Winning Podcast | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"mindshift"},"content":"\u003cp>It’s rare to get a first-person perspective on living with a condition called schizoaffective disorder. But Michael Vargas Arango, who was diagnosed as a teenager, wanted the world to know that it’s not something to be afraid of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m not dangerous. I’m not crazy. And I’m not delusional,” he says in his podcast, \u003ca href=\"https://soundcloud.com/michael-vargas-287705415/the-monsters-we-create?si=bf3625a3b7a94155977dad9a6f3f41cf&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing\">\u003cem>The Monsters We Create\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. “I’m just one more guy, with a mental health condition, living with it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His emotional and deeply personal entry was chosen by our judges, from among \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1235364602/npr-best-college-podcast-challenge-2023-finalists\">10 finalists\u003c/a>. As the grand prize winner of this year’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/06/1203603708/college-podcast-challenge-contest-npr-2023\">NPR College Podcast Challenge\u003c/a>, he’ll receive a $5,000 scholarship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea for his podcast came after Vargas Arango told his girlfriend, Elizabeth Pella, about his schizoaffective disorder.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Of course I had to tell her this is happening to me: I hear voices. I feel presences,” says the 22-year-old international student at Miami Dade College in Florida. “This is who I am. I can’t lie. I cannot lie.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a big deal for him to tell her. He was living in a foreign city, speaking his second language, far from his family back in Colombia, and Pella would be the first person outside of his family he’d told.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The conversation went well, and Pella was understanding, curious, and loving. But she had one request: \u003cem>Don’t tell my friends.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says she was worried that they would judge him and even judge her. “‘Like, why are you dating this guy?’ I was scared,” she says, “and I wanted to protect him, too.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>“I’m gonna show you how it is.”\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63714\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-63714\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-768x576.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-2048x1535.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1920x1439.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Vargas Arango, 22, is a second-year student at Miami Dade College, studying business and psychology. \u003ccite>(Eva Marie Uzcategui for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Pella’s request didn’t sit well with Vargas Arango. “You don’t wanna know?” he recalls thinking, “I’m gonna show you how it is.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, he didn’t just want to tell his girlfriend and her friends. He wanted to show everyone what it was like living in his head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Using his own voice, interviews and layers of sound design, he crafted the podcast that won NPR’s competition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vargas Arango’s podcast starts with an exchange between himself and the voice in his head: “Why would you tell them I exist? They won’t understand.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He responds, “You’re giving me a headache. Can you shut up for a second?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, Vargas Arango addresses the listener: “This is how I’ve been living my whole life. But you’re probably wondering: What is this guy talking about? Who is he even talking to? Well, let me explain.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He explores what it’s like to live with schizoaffective disorder, a chronic mental health condition where a person experiences symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorders like depression. It’s rare – Vargas Arango is among the \u003ca href=\"https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/schizoaffective-disorder#:~:text=And%20the%20condition%20is%20rare,either%20bipolar%20disorder%20or%20schizophrenia.\">3 in 1,000 people\u003c/a> who experience it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I hear voices but in another language that I just don’t understand,” he explains. “I sometimes hear my name being called multiple times.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Challenging misconceptions about schizoaffective disorder\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Vargas Arango plays with sound effects and echoes in his podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not always to illustrate his experience, he says. In some cases, it’s a metaphor, where he uses distorted voice recordings as a “way to make fun of the prejudice that people have. Because they think that you’re hearing these voices to try to go hurt someone,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s not what I hear,” he adds. “That’s not how it works.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This openness is pretty radical for Vargas Arango. His family back in Colombia didn’t really talk about mental health, and, as a kid, his schizoaffective disorder presented itself as “imaginary friends.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63718\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-63718\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-800x533.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-768x512.jpeg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-1536x1023.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit.jpeg 1600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Vargas Arango shows his home recording setup in his Miami apartment. \u003ccite>(Eva Marie Uzcategui for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“You can probably imagine what the reaction of my Colombian religious mother was,” he says in the podcast. “She thought I could see a ghost or something. But no, I can’t see ghosts. Sadly.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The diagnosis came when he was a teenager, from visits to psychiatrists and psychologists. That was followed by dark times, which included depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts as he struggled with his own preconceived notions around schizoaffective disorder and mental illness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was one of those people that had this perspective of, ‘these people are crazy, these people are dangerous, these people are delusional, you got to be away from them,'” he recalls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Talking openly about his condition and his treatment – which includes medicine and therapy – and then winning the NPR contest has also helped his family, he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After NPR gave Vargas Arango the news, he calls his parents to tell them. Through tears, his mom, Olga Arango, tells him in Spanish that she’s crying from joy, from happiness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“She says she admires me,” Vargas Arango translates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His mom says hearing about his podcast and his success has changed her perception of mental illness: “I know that God gave me a really beautiful person, and everyday I tell him not to change.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not changing, Michael says, is the biggest lesson he learned in telling his story. He says he’s no longer scared to tell people who he really is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You need to be honest. You need to embrace who you are and what you’re living with. Everyone’s going through their own stuff.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listen to Michael’s podcast \u003ca href=\"https://on.soundcloud.com/HGcXgHmoQzf6zSrd9\">here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>If you or someone you know may be considering suicide, contact the \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://988lifeline.org/\">\u003cem>988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> by dialing 9-8-8, or the \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"http://www.crisistextline.org/\">\u003cem>Crisis Text Line\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> by texting HOME to 741741.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"npr-transcript\">\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Transcript:\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Michael Vargas Arango has a rare mental health condition. He was diagnosed as a teenager with schizoaffective disorder, and he would like people to think about that condition without fear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MICHAEL VARGAS ARANGO: I’m not dangerous. I’m not crazy. And I’m not delusional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, you’re not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I’m just one more guy with a mental health condition living with it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Michael’s podcast is the college winner of the NPR Student Podcast Challenge. NPR’s Elissa Nadworny went to Miami to hear his story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ELISSA NADWORNY, BYLINE: The idea for the podcast came after he told his girlfriend about his condition, the first person outside of his family he’d told.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Of course, I had to tell her, like, this is happening to me. I hear voices. I feel presences. This is who I am. I can’t lie. I cannot lie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: It was a big deal for him to tell her. Michael is an international student at Miami-Dade, living in a foreign city, speaking a second language far from his family back in Colombia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: You’re here by yourself doing things by yourself and trying to make your parents proud.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: His girlfriend, Elizabeth Pella, was understanding, curious and loving. But she had one request. Don’t tell my friends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ELIZABETH PELLA: I was kind of concerned that then they would judge him, judge me, be confused. Like, why are you dating this guy? I was just scared, yeah. And yeah, I wanted to protect him, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: But that – it didn’t sit well with Michael.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Why don’t you want your friends to know? You don’t want to know? I’m going to show you how it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Now he didn’t just want to tell his girlfriend and her friends. He wanted to show everyone what it was like living in his head. Here’s what he came up with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Michael. Michael. Why would you tell them I exist? They won’t understand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: What resulted became a podcast called “The Monsters We Create.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Stop. You’re giving me a headache. Can you shut up for a second?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, I won’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thank you. This is how I’ve been living my whole life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Liar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But you’re probably wondering, what is this guy talking about? Who’s he even talking to? Well, let me explain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Michael explores what it’s like to live with schizoaffective disorder, a chronic mental health condition where a person experiences symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorders like depression. It’s rare. Michael is among the 3 in 1,000 people who experience it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So where are we going?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: To where the magic happens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: He recorded most of it in his Miami apartment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: My happy place, let’s say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: And it was there where producer Janet Woojeong Lee and I sat with him on his bed and talked about how he went about translating what happens in his head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Explain a little bit more, like, what it’s like from your perspective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I hear the voices, but in another language that I just don’t understand. I sometimes hear my name being called multiple times and this and that and that and that and that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: In the podcast, Michael plays with sound effects and echoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I’m not delusional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, you’re not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: But it’s not always to illustrate his experience. He often uses that echo to reflect the way people imagine the voices he hears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: If you hear the voice responding to what I’m talking like…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: He pulls up a few spots in the podcast to illustrate this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I just had an imaginary friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Imaginary friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What is this? What is wrong with me?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What do you mean wrong?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s never something that I hear. That’s somehow a way to make fun of the prejudice that people have about people with these kind of conditions because they think that you’re hearing (speaking Spanish). You’re hearing these voices to try to go hurt someone, like, inviting you, let’s say, asking you to go hurt someone. That’s not what you hear. That’s not how it works.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: This openness – it’s pretty radical for Michael. His family back in Colombia – they didn’t talk about mental health. And as a kid, his schizoaffective disorder presented as imaginary friends. Here’s how he explains it in the podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: You can probably imagine what the reaction of my Colombian religious mother was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>OLGA ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: “This kid is possessed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: His mother, Olga Arango, brought him to a local priest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: She thought I could see ghosts or something. But, hey, don’t get me wrong. It would be a super cool power.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah, it would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But no, I can’t see ghosts, sadly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: The diagnosis came when he was a teenager with visits to psychiatrists and psychologists. That was followed by dark times, depression and anxiety. Michael also struggled with his own misperceptions and prejudices around schizoaffective disorder and mental health.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I was one of those people that had this kind of perspective of, these people are crazy. These people are dangerous. You are delusional. You’ve got to be, like, away from them. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: All of this comes through in his podcast, which our judges chose from hundreds of entries from all over the country. Our judges praised his vulnerability in telling his story. Here’s one example from the podcast where he asked random students at his college how they would describe someone with his condition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #1: Delusional, imbalanced and scared.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: So a lot of voices in their heads, I guess.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #3: Crazy, psychotic and scary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Then I asked these students, what would they do if they were told that there is a schizophrenic student on campus?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #4: Dangerous to their environment if they do not take their meds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: I wouldn’t really care, honestly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #3: I would be really scared, and I would probably call public safety because I would not feel safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: What is going through your head as you’re recording them saying this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I knew what kind of responses I was going to get.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: How?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: ‘Cause I once had this point of view because of environment and movies or whatever. You think, like, these people are crazy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: And so when they’re saying this, are you, like…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I was smiling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: You were smiling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I guess it was, like, a…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: A knowing smile.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: A knowing smile. Like, I knew it. Like, I knew it (laughter).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Talking openly about his schizoaffective disorder and his treatment, which includes medicine and therapy, has also helped his family, he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF DIAL TONE)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: They’re all in Colombia, so that’s the only way we have to, you know – mother.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: After we gave Michael the news, he calls his parents. He tells them winning the Podcast Challenge comes with a $5,000 scholarship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Through tears, his mom tells him she’s crying from joy, from happiness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: She said that she admires me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: She says watching Michael’s success has changed her perception of mental illness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: She said, “I know that God gave me a really beautiful person, and I – every day, I tell him to not change.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Not changing – that’s the biggest lesson he’s learned in telling his story. Trying to let go of being scared – to tell people who he really is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: You need to be honest. You need to, I guess, embrace who you are and what you’re living with ’cause, like, everyone is going through things. Everyone is dealing with their own stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Elissa Nadworny, NPR News, Miami.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"This year's winning NPR College Podcast Challenge entry is an emotional account of living with schizoaffective disorder from a student at Miami Dade College.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1714999509,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":128,"wordCount":2590},"headData":{"title":"College Student Explores Rare Mental Health Condition in Award-Winning Podcast | KQED","description":"This year's winning entry is an emotional account of living with schizoaffective disorder from a student at Miami Dade College.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"mindshift_63717","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"mindshift_63717","socialDescription":"This year's winning entry is an emotional account of living with schizoaffective disorder from a student at Miami Dade College.","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"College Student Explores Rare Mental Health Condition in Award-Winning Podcast","datePublished":"2024-05-02T12:38:24.000Z","dateModified":"2024-05-06T12:45:09.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Elissa Nadworny, Janet W. 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But Michael Vargas Arango, who was diagnosed as a teenager, wanted the world to know that it’s not something to be afraid of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m not dangerous. I’m not crazy. And I’m not delusional,” he says in his podcast, \u003ca href=\"https://soundcloud.com/michael-vargas-287705415/the-monsters-we-create?si=bf3625a3b7a94155977dad9a6f3f41cf&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing\">\u003cem>The Monsters We Create\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. “I’m just one more guy, with a mental health condition, living with it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His emotional and deeply personal entry was chosen by our judges, from among \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1235364602/npr-best-college-podcast-challenge-2023-finalists\">10 finalists\u003c/a>. As the grand prize winner of this year’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/06/1203603708/college-podcast-challenge-contest-npr-2023\">NPR College Podcast Challenge\u003c/a>, he’ll receive a $5,000 scholarship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea for his podcast came after Vargas Arango told his girlfriend, Elizabeth Pella, about his schizoaffective disorder.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Of course I had to tell her this is happening to me: I hear voices. I feel presences,” says the 22-year-old international student at Miami Dade College in Florida. “This is who I am. I can’t lie. I cannot lie.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a big deal for him to tell her. He was living in a foreign city, speaking his second language, far from his family back in Colombia, and Pella would be the first person outside of his family he’d told.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The conversation went well, and Pella was understanding, curious, and loving. But she had one request: \u003cem>Don’t tell my friends.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says she was worried that they would judge him and even judge her. “‘Like, why are you dating this guy?’ I was scared,” she says, “and I wanted to protect him, too.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>“I’m gonna show you how it is.”\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63714\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-63714\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-768x576.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-2048x1535.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1920x1439.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Vargas Arango, 22, is a second-year student at Miami Dade College, studying business and psychology. \u003ccite>(Eva Marie Uzcategui for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Pella’s request didn’t sit well with Vargas Arango. “You don’t wanna know?” he recalls thinking, “I’m gonna show you how it is.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, he didn’t just want to tell his girlfriend and her friends. He wanted to show everyone what it was like living in his head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Using his own voice, interviews and layers of sound design, he crafted the podcast that won NPR’s competition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vargas Arango’s podcast starts with an exchange between himself and the voice in his head: “Why would you tell them I exist? They won’t understand.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He responds, “You’re giving me a headache. Can you shut up for a second?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, Vargas Arango addresses the listener: “This is how I’ve been living my whole life. But you’re probably wondering: What is this guy talking about? Who is he even talking to? Well, let me explain.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He explores what it’s like to live with schizoaffective disorder, a chronic mental health condition where a person experiences symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorders like depression. It’s rare – Vargas Arango is among the \u003ca href=\"https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/schizoaffective-disorder#:~:text=And%20the%20condition%20is%20rare,either%20bipolar%20disorder%20or%20schizophrenia.\">3 in 1,000 people\u003c/a> who experience it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I hear voices but in another language that I just don’t understand,” he explains. “I sometimes hear my name being called multiple times.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Challenging misconceptions about schizoaffective disorder\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Vargas Arango plays with sound effects and echoes in his podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not always to illustrate his experience, he says. In some cases, it’s a metaphor, where he uses distorted voice recordings as a “way to make fun of the prejudice that people have. Because they think that you’re hearing these voices to try to go hurt someone,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s not what I hear,” he adds. “That’s not how it works.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This openness is pretty radical for Vargas Arango. His family back in Colombia didn’t really talk about mental health, and, as a kid, his schizoaffective disorder presented itself as “imaginary friends.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63718\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-63718\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-800x533.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-768x512.jpeg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-1536x1023.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit.jpeg 1600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Vargas Arango shows his home recording setup in his Miami apartment. \u003ccite>(Eva Marie Uzcategui for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“You can probably imagine what the reaction of my Colombian religious mother was,” he says in the podcast. “She thought I could see a ghost or something. But no, I can’t see ghosts. Sadly.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The diagnosis came when he was a teenager, from visits to psychiatrists and psychologists. That was followed by dark times, which included depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts as he struggled with his own preconceived notions around schizoaffective disorder and mental illness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was one of those people that had this perspective of, ‘these people are crazy, these people are dangerous, these people are delusional, you got to be away from them,'” he recalls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Talking openly about his condition and his treatment – which includes medicine and therapy – and then winning the NPR contest has also helped his family, he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After NPR gave Vargas Arango the news, he calls his parents to tell them. Through tears, his mom, Olga Arango, tells him in Spanish that she’s crying from joy, from happiness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“She says she admires me,” Vargas Arango translates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His mom says hearing about his podcast and his success has changed her perception of mental illness: “I know that God gave me a really beautiful person, and everyday I tell him not to change.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not changing, Michael says, is the biggest lesson he learned in telling his story. He says he’s no longer scared to tell people who he really is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You need to be honest. You need to embrace who you are and what you’re living with. Everyone’s going through their own stuff.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listen to Michael’s podcast \u003ca href=\"https://on.soundcloud.com/HGcXgHmoQzf6zSrd9\">here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>If you or someone you know may be considering suicide, contact the \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://988lifeline.org/\">\u003cem>988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> by dialing 9-8-8, or the \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"http://www.crisistextline.org/\">\u003cem>Crisis Text Line\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> by texting HOME to 741741.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"npr-transcript\">\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Transcript:\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Michael Vargas Arango has a rare mental health condition. He was diagnosed as a teenager with schizoaffective disorder, and he would like people to think about that condition without fear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MICHAEL VARGAS ARANGO: I’m not dangerous. I’m not crazy. And I’m not delusional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, you’re not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I’m just one more guy with a mental health condition living with it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Michael’s podcast is the college winner of the NPR Student Podcast Challenge. NPR’s Elissa Nadworny went to Miami to hear his story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ELISSA NADWORNY, BYLINE: The idea for the podcast came after he told his girlfriend about his condition, the first person outside of his family he’d told.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Of course, I had to tell her, like, this is happening to me. I hear voices. I feel presences. This is who I am. I can’t lie. I cannot lie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: It was a big deal for him to tell her. Michael is an international student at Miami-Dade, living in a foreign city, speaking a second language far from his family back in Colombia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: You’re here by yourself doing things by yourself and trying to make your parents proud.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: His girlfriend, Elizabeth Pella, was understanding, curious and loving. But she had one request. Don’t tell my friends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ELIZABETH PELLA: I was kind of concerned that then they would judge him, judge me, be confused. Like, why are you dating this guy? I was just scared, yeah. And yeah, I wanted to protect him, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: But that – it didn’t sit well with Michael.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Why don’t you want your friends to know? You don’t want to know? I’m going to show you how it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Now he didn’t just want to tell his girlfriend and her friends. He wanted to show everyone what it was like living in his head. Here’s what he came up with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Michael. Michael. Why would you tell them I exist? They won’t understand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: What resulted became a podcast called “The Monsters We Create.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Stop. You’re giving me a headache. Can you shut up for a second?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, I won’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thank you. This is how I’ve been living my whole life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Liar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But you’re probably wondering, what is this guy talking about? Who’s he even talking to? Well, let me explain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Michael explores what it’s like to live with schizoaffective disorder, a chronic mental health condition where a person experiences symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorders like depression. It’s rare. Michael is among the 3 in 1,000 people who experience it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So where are we going?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: To where the magic happens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: He recorded most of it in his Miami apartment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: My happy place, let’s say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: And it was there where producer Janet Woojeong Lee and I sat with him on his bed and talked about how he went about translating what happens in his head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Explain a little bit more, like, what it’s like from your perspective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I hear the voices, but in another language that I just don’t understand. I sometimes hear my name being called multiple times and this and that and that and that and that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: In the podcast, Michael plays with sound effects and echoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I’m not delusional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, you’re not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: But it’s not always to illustrate his experience. He often uses that echo to reflect the way people imagine the voices he hears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: If you hear the voice responding to what I’m talking like…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: He pulls up a few spots in the podcast to illustrate this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I just had an imaginary friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Imaginary friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What is this? What is wrong with me?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What do you mean wrong?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s never something that I hear. That’s somehow a way to make fun of the prejudice that people have about people with these kind of conditions because they think that you’re hearing (speaking Spanish). You’re hearing these voices to try to go hurt someone, like, inviting you, let’s say, asking you to go hurt someone. That’s not what you hear. That’s not how it works.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: This openness – it’s pretty radical for Michael. His family back in Colombia – they didn’t talk about mental health. And as a kid, his schizoaffective disorder presented as imaginary friends. Here’s how he explains it in the podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: You can probably imagine what the reaction of my Colombian religious mother was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>OLGA ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: “This kid is possessed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: His mother, Olga Arango, brought him to a local priest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: She thought I could see ghosts or something. But, hey, don’t get me wrong. It would be a super cool power.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah, it would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But no, I can’t see ghosts, sadly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: The diagnosis came when he was a teenager with visits to psychiatrists and psychologists. That was followed by dark times, depression and anxiety. Michael also struggled with his own misperceptions and prejudices around schizoaffective disorder and mental health.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I was one of those people that had this kind of perspective of, these people are crazy. These people are dangerous. You are delusional. You’ve got to be, like, away from them. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: All of this comes through in his podcast, which our judges chose from hundreds of entries from all over the country. Our judges praised his vulnerability in telling his story. Here’s one example from the podcast where he asked random students at his college how they would describe someone with his condition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #1: Delusional, imbalanced and scared.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: So a lot of voices in their heads, I guess.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #3: Crazy, psychotic and scary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Then I asked these students, what would they do if they were told that there is a schizophrenic student on campus?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #4: Dangerous to their environment if they do not take their meds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: I wouldn’t really care, honestly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #3: I would be really scared, and I would probably call public safety because I would not feel safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: What is going through your head as you’re recording them saying this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I knew what kind of responses I was going to get.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: How?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: ‘Cause I once had this point of view because of environment and movies or whatever. You think, like, these people are crazy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: And so when they’re saying this, are you, like…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I was smiling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: You were smiling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I guess it was, like, a…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: A knowing smile.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: A knowing smile. Like, I knew it. Like, I knew it (laughter).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Talking openly about his schizoaffective disorder and his treatment, which includes medicine and therapy, has also helped his family, he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF DIAL TONE)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: They’re all in Colombia, so that’s the only way we have to, you know – mother.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: After we gave Michael the news, he calls his parents. He tells them winning the Podcast Challenge comes with a $5,000 scholarship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Through tears, his mom tells him she’s crying from joy, from happiness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: She said that she admires me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: She says watching Michael’s success has changed her perception of mental illness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: She said, “I know that God gave me a really beautiful person, and I – every day, I tell him to not change.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Not changing – that’s the biggest lesson he’s learned in telling his story. Trying to let go of being scared – to tell people who he really is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: You need to be honest. You need to, I guess, embrace who you are and what you’re living with ’cause, like, everyone is going through things. 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The 2024 protests have an “uncanny” resemblance to the 1968 student protests.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>From coast to coast, dozens of universities are seeing pro-Palestinian protests and encampments on campuses across the U.S.:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Boston police took down a pro-Palestinian encampment at Emerson College, clashing with protesters and taking more than 100 into custody.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>In just the past two weeks, at least\u003cstrong> 800 people have been arrested\u003c/strong> on college campuses, with \u003cstrong>some students facing suspension.\u003c/strong> Some universities are grappling with whether to proceed with upcoming graduation ceremonies.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>The University of Southern California put out a statement recently canceling its main graduation ceremony due to “safety measures.”\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>The last time the U.S. saw such fervor over protests on college campuses was some five decades ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Frank Guridy is a professor of history at Columbia University, where roughly a hundred students have been arrested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Guridy teaches a class about the 1968 protests against the Vietnam war that took place on Columbia’s campus. He teaches in one of the buildings that students occupied in 1968 – Fayerweather Hall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As in 1968, the Columbia students of 2024 are absolutely galvanized by what’s transpiring in Gaza, in the Middle East,” Guridy said in an interview with NPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In that sense, it is an uncanny resemblance to what transpired in the late sixties in this country, where U.S. students and other people in this country were inspired to speak out and mobilize against what they saw as an unjust war in Vietnam.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>2. Parallels and differences.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>In Guridy’s class, students read historical texts that put the 1968 protests in a larger historical context. Students visit archives at Columbia and other parts of the city. At the end of the semester, they complete a research paper on what they’ve learned about the 1968 student protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Students on this campus, a generation of students who have no direct connection to ’68. Yet what they see in it is as a source of inspiration,” Guridy said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A key similarity between the protests of 1968 and 2024 are the calls for divestment.\u003cstrong> In the ’60s, students at college campuses tried to get their administrations to divest from the defense industry or anything connected to the war in Vietnam.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Guridy adds that the strategy of divestment has a long history that can even be traced back to the 1930s, when people were calling for the boycotting of Nazi Germany.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today’s students are also targeting the financial choices made by their administrations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two of the main differences: the U.S. doesn’t have boots on the ground in Gaza, and American college students aren’t facing the draft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The draft was a real reality, including for privileged college students in the late 1960s. And so the sense of urgency was slightly different for the college students and the antiwar movement at that time,” says Guridy.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>3. Lessons learned from 1968 protests.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Several student activists who spoke to NPR cited the organizing of students in 1968 as \u003cstrong>inspiration for their own movements.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Matthew Vickers, a junior at Occidental College in Los Angeles is one of the many students to set up encampments protesting Israel’s war in Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Most of the Palestinian solidarity movement has taken direct tactical and moral inspiration from the movements of the sixties. I think the parallels cannot be more obvious,” said Vickers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alifa Chowdhury is a junior at the University of Michigan, and one of the protest organizers on her campus. \u003cstrong>Their encampment on the Diag is on the exact spot where students in the Sixties marched against the Vietnam War.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So we’re building on things that have been done before, this is not a new phenomenon. We stand on that protest history today,\u003cem>” \u003c/em>said Chowdhury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"npr-transcript\">\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Transcript:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early this morning, the quad at the center of Occidental College got some new residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MATTHEW VICKERS: And here at this side of the encampment we have 17 four-person tents. There are a lot of people out here – I would say over 30 people already here at 5:14 a.m. It’s very optimistic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Matthew Vickers is a junior at Occidental, a small college in LA. He’s one of many students on dozens of campuses all over the country to set up encampments protesting Israel’s war in Gaza. Well, the protests only grew over the weekend, and so did the police response, with more than 200 people arrested nationwide on Saturday. Now, these protests are very much of this moment, and yet they echo another moment of political upheaval more than 50 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VICKERS: Most of the Palestinian solidarity movement have taken direct tactical and sort of moral inspiration from the movements of the ’60s. I think the parallels cannot be more obvious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Matthew Vickers again at Occidental College, which, like so many campuses, saw major protests during the Vietnam War. In April of 1969, hundreds of students protested military recruiters on Occidental’s campus, and dozens occupied an administration building just a stone’s throw from the current encampment. Vickers says he also drew inspiration from another moment the following year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>RICHARD NIXON: Good evening, my fellow Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: This is Richard Nixon in 1970, announcing that the Vietnam War would be expanded into Cambodia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NIXON: In cooperation with the armed forces of South Vietnam, attacks are being launched this week to clean out major enemy sanctuaries on the Cambodian-Vietnam Border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: In the following days, millions of students on campuses nationwide protested Nixon’s decision. It was during these demonstrations that four students were killed by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VICKERS: And that was followed by thousands of arrests, similar to this moment. That goes to show that if we are willing to do something for others, for Palestinians, we can do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: This parallel between today’s protests and those of the late ’60s – it’s being repeated over and over across the country. At the University of Michigan, pro-Palestinian protesters are camped out on an open space called the Diag, and they do not plan on leaving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALIFA CHOWDHURY: It’s like, are you camping forever? And we’re like, I guess.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Alifa Chowdhury is a junior at Michigan, one of the protest’s organizers. Their encampment on the Diag is on the exact spot where students in the ’60s marched against the Vietnam War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CHOWDHURY: So we’re building on things that have been done before. This is not a new phenomenon. We stand on that protest issue today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Same goes for students at UNC Chapel Hill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LILY: Just like during Vietnam right now is this, like, unearthing moment where we’re turning over the topsoil, and we’re getting to see the ideology that lives within university administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Lily is a senior at UNC who’s helping to organize students on campus, and she asked that we use just her first name for security concerns. There have been reasons for students to be careful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(CROSSTALK)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: That’s the sound of police clashing with protesters at USC, UT Austin and Emory University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: CONSIDER THIS – American college campuses are seeing the biggest student protests since the Vietnam War. So what do campus protests of today have in common with those of the ’60s, and what might we learn from the way that movement played out?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: From NPR, I’m Mary Louise Kelly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: It’s CONSIDER THIS FROM NPR. Over the past two weeks, at least 800 people have been arrested on college campuses around the country. That police response is familiar for those who experienced the campus protests of the late 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TOM HORWITZ: They felt that the way to get us out of the buildings was to beat us up on the way out. So there was a lot of blood and a lot of hurt people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Tom Horwitz was a student at Columbia University in the spring of 1968, when that campus got turned upside down by student protests. He spent six days occupying the mathematics building with fellow students before police violently cleared out the protesters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED GROUP: (Chanting) No violence, no violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: The protests at Columbia that year became a flashpoint for the student activist movement around the country. And this spring, too, Columbia was one of the first sparks of the broader student movement we are seeing now after an encampment on Columbia’s campus was dispersed by police and then reassembled by students. Horwitz sees his generation’s campus protest reflected in current students, and he has this advice for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>HORWITZ: It’s important to keep key simple truths of your position and say it clearly and articulately and nonviolently – the simple truth that the projection of military might in order to solve problems is almost always a terrible thing. And we see it in Gaza, and we saw it in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: There is one place in particular where the protests of the ’60s and the protests of today collide – inside the classroom of Professor Frank Guridy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FRANK GURIDY: The parallels and the comparisons are inevitable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Guridy is a professor of history at Columbia. He’s currently teaching an undergrad research seminar about the 1968 protests on campus and in a fitting setting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yes, I teach the course at Fayerweather Hall, which was one of the buildings that was occupied in 1968 by students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: And not far from the encampment on campus today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: As in 1968, the Columbia students of 2024 are absolutely galvanized by what’s transpiring in Gaza in the Middle East. And in that sense, it is uncanny resemblance to what transpired in the late ’60s in this country, where U.S. students and other people in this country were inspired to speak out and mobilize against what they saw as an unjust war in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: You just described students as absolutely galvanized. And I am curious how cohesive or not student views today versus then are. You know, of course, today we’re seeing counterprotests at some campuses, including Columbia – range of student views all over the place. It was the same during Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: No doubt. I think that’s the thing. I mean, I think, as we get distant from Vietnam, I think there’s this growing perception I detect that somehow there was a widespread support for the antiwar movement. And there was not. So in that sense, this campus, just like the country, was absolutely polarized in 1968 as it is in 2024, and I think that’s an absolute similarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: I have been struck by another similarity between ’68 and today, and this is the calls for universities to divest. In the ’60s, students were trying to get their administrations to divest from the defense industry or anything connected to the war in Vietnam. Today’s students are also targeting the financial choices made by their institutions. What do you see as similarities, parallels there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: No question, right? So in ’68, the students were galvanized against the war, were targeting all sorts of things – everything from CIA recruitment and military recruitment on campus to the university’s affiliation with the Institute for Defense Analysis, which was a research arm that was facilitating military research at the time. And so yes, they were very much directed towards – one of the major goals of the protest was to get Columbia to disaffiliate with defense research at that time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And yet divestment is a strategy that predates ’68, as we know. I mean, any historian of social movements would tell you that it was very active in the movement against the Nazis around the world in the 1930s. People were calling for boycotting Nazi Germany at that time, including on this campus. So there’s a longer history of divestment. And, of course, that goes after ’68 – when we look at the antiapartheid movement in South Africa in the 1980s – that, you know, Columbia has a long history of divestment activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: So let me raise the perhaps starkest difference between now and then, which is the U.S. doesn’t have boots on the ground in Gaza. There’s no American college student facing a draft. It doesn’t exist. How does that change the conversation?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yeah. No, that’s a huge difference. The draft was a real reality, including for privileged college students in the late 1960s. And so, you know, the sense of urgency was slightly different for the college students in the antiwar movement at that time. And so yes – but I think because the U.S. is directly involved in both wars – in the Gaza War, supporting Israel and, of course, in supporting the South Vietnamese government against the Northern Vietnam communist government – you know, in some ways, that strikes me as being more similar than different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So even if the prospect of troops landing in the Middle East is not evident, at least not at this point, I think the sense of urgency is very much there because of the way in which the Gaza-Israel question, you know, plays out domestically here and on this campus in particular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: As someone teaching the history to current students, I am curious. Is there consensus that the 1968 protests directly influenced U.S. policy when the U.S., as we know, didn’t get out of Vietnam until 1975 – seven years after the 1968 protests?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yes. You’re stepping into a long debate about what ’68 means – a debate that we historians still have now. In fact, when we had our 50th anniversary conference in 2018, we had a panel looking back at ’68. And one of my colleagues was saying, like, wow, you know, ’68 didn’t really deliver the things that the protesters wanted. That’s a fair point. I think that’s absolutely true. But as a social movement historian, you’d be hard-pressed to find any case of a dramatic political social change that didn’t have a social movement behind it. And so even though it took five more years or so for the Vietnam War to end, you know, the power of those social movements is undeniable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so in my mind, the ’68 protests at Columbia were overwhelmingly positive. Now, I know there are many alums who would disagree with me (laughter). But I think that, as a whole, the university, you know, turned out to be a more welcoming place even though there are plenty of people who really lamented what transpired and felt that the students were really trying to destroy the university. I happen to disagree with that argument. But I think that, for Colombia, you know, even though the central administration really has never publicly acknowledged ’68 in any significant way, I would argue that it actually produced a better campus environment for the students – subsequent generation of students than what existed before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Are you optimistic that that may be the case for 2024 – that these protests may ultimately result in a better Columbia and better colleges and universities across the country?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: I’m not so sure, Mary Louise, I have to say, because I’m a little worried about the way in which our university leadership has responded to the protests. I mean, right now, our campus is still on edge, you know, and it’s not clear how this is going to wind up. But for the institution, I think it’s going to take us a while to recover from what’s transpired here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: That was Columbia University professor of history Frank Guridy. He teaches a class on the legacy of the campus protests of the late 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This episode was produced by Noah Caldwell and Brianna Scott. It was edited by Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: It’s CONSIDER THIS FROM NPR. 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The 2024 protests have an “uncanny” resemblance to the 1968 student protests.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>From coast to coast, dozens of universities are seeing pro-Palestinian protests and encampments on campuses across the U.S.:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Boston police took down a pro-Palestinian encampment at Emerson College, clashing with protesters and taking more than 100 into custody.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>In just the past two weeks, at least\u003cstrong> 800 people have been arrested\u003c/strong> on college campuses, with \u003cstrong>some students facing suspension.\u003c/strong> Some universities are grappling with whether to proceed with upcoming graduation ceremonies.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>The University of Southern California put out a statement recently canceling its main graduation ceremony due to “safety measures.”\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>The last time the U.S. saw such fervor over protests on college campuses was some five decades ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Frank Guridy is a professor of history at Columbia University, where roughly a hundred students have been arrested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Guridy teaches a class about the 1968 protests against the Vietnam war that took place on Columbia’s campus. He teaches in one of the buildings that students occupied in 1968 – Fayerweather Hall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As in 1968, the Columbia students of 2024 are absolutely galvanized by what’s transpiring in Gaza, in the Middle East,” Guridy said in an interview with NPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In that sense, it is an uncanny resemblance to what transpired in the late sixties in this country, where U.S. students and other people in this country were inspired to speak out and mobilize against what they saw as an unjust war in Vietnam.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>2. Parallels and differences.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>In Guridy’s class, students read historical texts that put the 1968 protests in a larger historical context. Students visit archives at Columbia and other parts of the city. At the end of the semester, they complete a research paper on what they’ve learned about the 1968 student protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Students on this campus, a generation of students who have no direct connection to ’68. Yet what they see in it is as a source of inspiration,” Guridy said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A key similarity between the protests of 1968 and 2024 are the calls for divestment.\u003cstrong> In the ’60s, students at college campuses tried to get their administrations to divest from the defense industry or anything connected to the war in Vietnam.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Guridy adds that the strategy of divestment has a long history that can even be traced back to the 1930s, when people were calling for the boycotting of Nazi Germany.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today’s students are also targeting the financial choices made by their administrations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two of the main differences: the U.S. doesn’t have boots on the ground in Gaza, and American college students aren’t facing the draft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The draft was a real reality, including for privileged college students in the late 1960s. And so the sense of urgency was slightly different for the college students and the antiwar movement at that time,” says Guridy.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>3. Lessons learned from 1968 protests.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Several student activists who spoke to NPR cited the organizing of students in 1968 as \u003cstrong>inspiration for their own movements.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Matthew Vickers, a junior at Occidental College in Los Angeles is one of the many students to set up encampments protesting Israel’s war in Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Most of the Palestinian solidarity movement has taken direct tactical and moral inspiration from the movements of the sixties. I think the parallels cannot be more obvious,” said Vickers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alifa Chowdhury is a junior at the University of Michigan, and one of the protest organizers on her campus. \u003cstrong>Their encampment on the Diag is on the exact spot where students in the Sixties marched against the Vietnam War.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So we’re building on things that have been done before, this is not a new phenomenon. We stand on that protest history today,\u003cem>” \u003c/em>said Chowdhury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"npr-transcript\">\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Transcript:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early this morning, the quad at the center of Occidental College got some new residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MATTHEW VICKERS: And here at this side of the encampment we have 17 four-person tents. There are a lot of people out here – I would say over 30 people already here at 5:14 a.m. It’s very optimistic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Matthew Vickers is a junior at Occidental, a small college in LA. He’s one of many students on dozens of campuses all over the country to set up encampments protesting Israel’s war in Gaza. Well, the protests only grew over the weekend, and so did the police response, with more than 200 people arrested nationwide on Saturday. Now, these protests are very much of this moment, and yet they echo another moment of political upheaval more than 50 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VICKERS: Most of the Palestinian solidarity movement have taken direct tactical and sort of moral inspiration from the movements of the ’60s. I think the parallels cannot be more obvious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Matthew Vickers again at Occidental College, which, like so many campuses, saw major protests during the Vietnam War. In April of 1969, hundreds of students protested military recruiters on Occidental’s campus, and dozens occupied an administration building just a stone’s throw from the current encampment. Vickers says he also drew inspiration from another moment the following year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>RICHARD NIXON: Good evening, my fellow Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: This is Richard Nixon in 1970, announcing that the Vietnam War would be expanded into Cambodia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NIXON: In cooperation with the armed forces of South Vietnam, attacks are being launched this week to clean out major enemy sanctuaries on the Cambodian-Vietnam Border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: In the following days, millions of students on campuses nationwide protested Nixon’s decision. It was during these demonstrations that four students were killed by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VICKERS: And that was followed by thousands of arrests, similar to this moment. That goes to show that if we are willing to do something for others, for Palestinians, we can do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: This parallel between today’s protests and those of the late ’60s – it’s being repeated over and over across the country. At the University of Michigan, pro-Palestinian protesters are camped out on an open space called the Diag, and they do not plan on leaving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALIFA CHOWDHURY: It’s like, are you camping forever? And we’re like, I guess.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Alifa Chowdhury is a junior at Michigan, one of the protest’s organizers. Their encampment on the Diag is on the exact spot where students in the ’60s marched against the Vietnam War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CHOWDHURY: So we’re building on things that have been done before. This is not a new phenomenon. We stand on that protest issue today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Same goes for students at UNC Chapel Hill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LILY: Just like during Vietnam right now is this, like, unearthing moment where we’re turning over the topsoil, and we’re getting to see the ideology that lives within university administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Lily is a senior at UNC who’s helping to organize students on campus, and she asked that we use just her first name for security concerns. There have been reasons for students to be careful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(CROSSTALK)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: That’s the sound of police clashing with protesters at USC, UT Austin and Emory University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: CONSIDER THIS – American college campuses are seeing the biggest student protests since the Vietnam War. So what do campus protests of today have in common with those of the ’60s, and what might we learn from the way that movement played out?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: From NPR, I’m Mary Louise Kelly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: It’s CONSIDER THIS FROM NPR. Over the past two weeks, at least 800 people have been arrested on college campuses around the country. That police response is familiar for those who experienced the campus protests of the late 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TOM HORWITZ: They felt that the way to get us out of the buildings was to beat us up on the way out. So there was a lot of blood and a lot of hurt people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Tom Horwitz was a student at Columbia University in the spring of 1968, when that campus got turned upside down by student protests. He spent six days occupying the mathematics building with fellow students before police violently cleared out the protesters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED GROUP: (Chanting) No violence, no violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: The protests at Columbia that year became a flashpoint for the student activist movement around the country. And this spring, too, Columbia was one of the first sparks of the broader student movement we are seeing now after an encampment on Columbia’s campus was dispersed by police and then reassembled by students. Horwitz sees his generation’s campus protest reflected in current students, and he has this advice for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>HORWITZ: It’s important to keep key simple truths of your position and say it clearly and articulately and nonviolently – the simple truth that the projection of military might in order to solve problems is almost always a terrible thing. And we see it in Gaza, and we saw it in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: There is one place in particular where the protests of the ’60s and the protests of today collide – inside the classroom of Professor Frank Guridy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FRANK GURIDY: The parallels and the comparisons are inevitable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Guridy is a professor of history at Columbia. He’s currently teaching an undergrad research seminar about the 1968 protests on campus and in a fitting setting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yes, I teach the course at Fayerweather Hall, which was one of the buildings that was occupied in 1968 by students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: And not far from the encampment on campus today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: As in 1968, the Columbia students of 2024 are absolutely galvanized by what’s transpiring in Gaza in the Middle East. And in that sense, it is uncanny resemblance to what transpired in the late ’60s in this country, where U.S. students and other people in this country were inspired to speak out and mobilize against what they saw as an unjust war in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: You just described students as absolutely galvanized. And I am curious how cohesive or not student views today versus then are. You know, of course, today we’re seeing counterprotests at some campuses, including Columbia – range of student views all over the place. It was the same during Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: No doubt. I think that’s the thing. I mean, I think, as we get distant from Vietnam, I think there’s this growing perception I detect that somehow there was a widespread support for the antiwar movement. And there was not. So in that sense, this campus, just like the country, was absolutely polarized in 1968 as it is in 2024, and I think that’s an absolute similarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: I have been struck by another similarity between ’68 and today, and this is the calls for universities to divest. In the ’60s, students were trying to get their administrations to divest from the defense industry or anything connected to the war in Vietnam. Today’s students are also targeting the financial choices made by their institutions. What do you see as similarities, parallels there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: No question, right? So in ’68, the students were galvanized against the war, were targeting all sorts of things – everything from CIA recruitment and military recruitment on campus to the university’s affiliation with the Institute for Defense Analysis, which was a research arm that was facilitating military research at the time. And so yes, they were very much directed towards – one of the major goals of the protest was to get Columbia to disaffiliate with defense research at that time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And yet divestment is a strategy that predates ’68, as we know. I mean, any historian of social movements would tell you that it was very active in the movement against the Nazis around the world in the 1930s. People were calling for boycotting Nazi Germany at that time, including on this campus. So there’s a longer history of divestment. And, of course, that goes after ’68 – when we look at the antiapartheid movement in South Africa in the 1980s – that, you know, Columbia has a long history of divestment activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: So let me raise the perhaps starkest difference between now and then, which is the U.S. doesn’t have boots on the ground in Gaza. There’s no American college student facing a draft. It doesn’t exist. How does that change the conversation?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yeah. No, that’s a huge difference. The draft was a real reality, including for privileged college students in the late 1960s. And so, you know, the sense of urgency was slightly different for the college students in the antiwar movement at that time. And so yes – but I think because the U.S. is directly involved in both wars – in the Gaza War, supporting Israel and, of course, in supporting the South Vietnamese government against the Northern Vietnam communist government – you know, in some ways, that strikes me as being more similar than different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So even if the prospect of troops landing in the Middle East is not evident, at least not at this point, I think the sense of urgency is very much there because of the way in which the Gaza-Israel question, you know, plays out domestically here and on this campus in particular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: As someone teaching the history to current students, I am curious. Is there consensus that the 1968 protests directly influenced U.S. policy when the U.S., as we know, didn’t get out of Vietnam until 1975 – seven years after the 1968 protests?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yes. You’re stepping into a long debate about what ’68 means – a debate that we historians still have now. In fact, when we had our 50th anniversary conference in 2018, we had a panel looking back at ’68. And one of my colleagues was saying, like, wow, you know, ’68 didn’t really deliver the things that the protesters wanted. That’s a fair point. I think that’s absolutely true. But as a social movement historian, you’d be hard-pressed to find any case of a dramatic political social change that didn’t have a social movement behind it. And so even though it took five more years or so for the Vietnam War to end, you know, the power of those social movements is undeniable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so in my mind, the ’68 protests at Columbia were overwhelmingly positive. Now, I know there are many alums who would disagree with me (laughter). But I think that, as a whole, the university, you know, turned out to be a more welcoming place even though there are plenty of people who really lamented what transpired and felt that the students were really trying to destroy the university. I happen to disagree with that argument. But I think that, for Colombia, you know, even though the central administration really has never publicly acknowledged ’68 in any significant way, I would argue that it actually produced a better campus environment for the students – subsequent generation of students than what existed before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Are you optimistic that that may be the case for 2024 – that these protests may ultimately result in a better Columbia and better colleges and universities across the country?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: I’m not so sure, Mary Louise, I have to say, because I’m a little worried about the way in which our university leadership has responded to the protests. I mean, right now, our campus is still on edge, you know, and it’s not clear how this is going to wind up. But for the institution, I think it’s going to take us a while to recover from what’s transpired here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: That was Columbia University professor of history Frank Guridy. He teaches a class on the legacy of the campus protests of the late 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This episode was produced by Noah Caldwell and Brianna Scott. It was edited by Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: It’s CONSIDER THIS FROM NPR. 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Sign up for their newsletters at \u003ca href=\"https://ckbe.at/newsletters\">ckbe.at/newsletters\u003c/a>\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many students breathed a sigh of relief last week when federal education officials \u003ca href=\"https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/library/electronic-announcements/2024-03-12/update-technical-fix-2024-25-fafsa-form-individuals-without-social-security-number-ssn\">announced critical fixes\u003c/a> to the federal application for financial aid that allows parents without Social Security numbers to contribute information to the form.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change means tens of thousands of U.S. citizen students and others who are eligible for federal financial aid can finally complete their FAFSAs. But it also leaves families and college counselors scrambling to get through the process months after other students. And some families are still encountering problems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It can be very discouraging for students and families who feel like they’re doing all the right things and yet are still coming up against barriers,” said Amanda Seider, who oversees the Massachusetts branch of the college access group OneGoal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/01/25/better-fafsa-challenges-for-students-and-parents-social-security-number/\">Chalkbeat reported\u003c/a> in January that a technical glitch had blocked students with undocumented parents from completing their financial aid applications for over two months. That left many educators and college access groups worried that students who already face higher barriers to college would be deterred by the delays — piled on top of an already difficult rollout of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/colorado/2024/01/09/colorado-counselor-advice-on-filling-out-better-fafsa/\">new, supposedly easier FAFSA\u003c/a>. Some colleges and scholarships award aid on a first-come, first-served basis, so students who apply later are at a disadvantage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During that time, students were left to navigate a confusing array of options, including whether they should just sit tight and wait for a fix, or try a partial workaround that could \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/02/13/paper-fafsa-college-financial-aid-undocumented-parents/\">put them at a higher risk of making a mistake\u003c/a> on their application or would require them to \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/02/21/better-fafsa-social-security-number-glitch-fix-announced/\">come back and fill out more paperwork later\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And there are still outstanding issues. As federal officials put the new fix in place, they \u003ca href=\"https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/library/electronic-announcements/2024-03-12/update-technical-fix-2024-25-fafsa-form-individuals-without-social-security-number-ssn\">uncovered two more issues\u003c/a> affecting the same group of students that still need to be resolved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That means parents without Social Security numbers will have to enter their financial information manually, instead of having it pulled directly from the IRS. And in some cases — when a parent enters a name or address that doesn’t exactly match what their child put down, for example — parents are still getting error messages that block them from filling out the form. Federal officials said last week they would work to fix the issue “in the coming days.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Federal officials estimated that around 2% of financial aid applicants were affected by the original Social Security number glitch, which would equate to hundreds of thousands of students in a typical year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The issue caught the attention of dozens of Democratic House members, who \u003ca href=\"https://huffman.house.gov/imo/media/doc/FAFSA%20SSN%20Letter_Huffman_Garcia_Allred_Barragan.pdf\">sent a letter\u003c/a> to U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona urging the department to fix the problem quickly. \u003ca href=\"https://chuygarcia.house.gov/media/press-releases/garcia-huffman-allred-and-barragan-applaud-permanent-fix-to-federal-student-aid-form-following-letter-they-led\">In a press release issued last week\u003c/a>, U.S. Rep. Jared Huffman of California said the glitch was a “completely unacceptable error” that had caused “fear, stress, and missed opportunities for many kids across my district and the country.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I hope to see the Department take the steps necessary to ensure issues like this never arise again,” Huffman said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The rollout of the new FAFSA has been riddled with \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/colorado/2024/01/31/colorado-families-students-experience-more-fafsa-delays/\">problems and delays\u003c/a>. Education department officials have blamed \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/03/11/how-new-fafsa-problems-began/\">insufficient funding and significant technical challenges\u003c/a> in updating old systems. Republicans have \u003ca href=\"https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/student-aid-policy/2024/03/04/how-ambitious-plans-new-fafsa-ended-fiasco\">accused the administration of being distracted by dealing with student loan forgiveness\u003c/a>. Outside observers have said \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/us/politics/fafsa-college-admissions.html\">all these factors and more played a role\u003c/a>, according to news reports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FAFSA applications are down 33% compared with this time last year, according to federal data \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncan.org/page/FAFSAtracker\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">tracked by the National College Attainment Network\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, many colleges have \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/colorado/2024/02/29/colleges-and-universities-in-colorado-push-enrollment-other-deadlines/\">pushed back deadlines\u003c/a> as they wait for student financial information that will help them assemble aid packages. And families are waiting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, college counselors and advisers say they’re working to make sure students know what to do if they \u003ca href=\"https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-fafsa-fix-for-mixed-status-families-is-a-work-in-progress\">continue to encounter glitches\u003c/a>. They’re also trying to keep students’ spirits up and getting them ready to compare their financial aid and acceptance packages when they come in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The most important thing we can do is to share information about how to go about entering information manually, how to make sure that as they are completing those steps that it requires a lot of precision,” Seider said. “We really want to make sure that students and families are being proactive, and not experiencing this as their shortcoming, but rather saying ‘Hey, this system has been a little confusing, we need some help with it.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Kalyn Belsha is a senior national education reporter based in Chicago. Contact her at \u003c/i>\u003ca href=\"mailto:kbelsha@chalkbeat.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003ci>kbelsha@chalkbeat.org\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003ci>.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chalkbeat is a nonprofit news site covering \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/03/18/better-fafsa-fix-for-students-with-undocumented-parents-social-security/\" rel=\"canonical\">educational change\u003c/a> in public schools.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"College counselors are rushing to help families now that a major FAFSA glitch is fixed.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1710944922,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":20,"wordCount":803},"headData":{"title":"Long-awaited FAFSA fix means students from immigrant families can finally finish aid applications | KQED","description":"College counselors are rushing to help families now that a major FAFSA glitch is fixed.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"mindshift_63364","socialDescription":"College counselors are rushing to help families now that a major FAFSA glitch is fixed.","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Long-awaited FAFSA fix means students from immigrant families can finally finish aid applications","datePublished":"2024-03-19T00:00:39.000Z","dateModified":"2024-03-20T14:28:42.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Kalyn Belsha, Chalkbeat","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/mindshift/63363/long-awaited-fafsa-fix-means-students-from-immigrant-families-can-finally-finish-aid-applications","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>This story was \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/03/18/better-fafsa-fix-for-students-with-undocumented-parents-social-security/\" rel=\"canonical\">originally published\u003c/a> by Chalkbeat. Sign up for their newsletters at \u003ca href=\"https://ckbe.at/newsletters\">ckbe.at/newsletters\u003c/a>\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many students breathed a sigh of relief last week when federal education officials \u003ca href=\"https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/library/electronic-announcements/2024-03-12/update-technical-fix-2024-25-fafsa-form-individuals-without-social-security-number-ssn\">announced critical fixes\u003c/a> to the federal application for financial aid that allows parents without Social Security numbers to contribute information to the form.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change means tens of thousands of U.S. citizen students and others who are eligible for federal financial aid can finally complete their FAFSAs. But it also leaves families and college counselors scrambling to get through the process months after other students. And some families are still encountering problems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It can be very discouraging for students and families who feel like they’re doing all the right things and yet are still coming up against barriers,” said Amanda Seider, who oversees the Massachusetts branch of the college access group OneGoal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/01/25/better-fafsa-challenges-for-students-and-parents-social-security-number/\">Chalkbeat reported\u003c/a> in January that a technical glitch had blocked students with undocumented parents from completing their financial aid applications for over two months. That left many educators and college access groups worried that students who already face higher barriers to college would be deterred by the delays — piled on top of an already difficult rollout of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/colorado/2024/01/09/colorado-counselor-advice-on-filling-out-better-fafsa/\">new, supposedly easier FAFSA\u003c/a>. Some colleges and scholarships award aid on a first-come, first-served basis, so students who apply later are at a disadvantage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During that time, students were left to navigate a confusing array of options, including whether they should just sit tight and wait for a fix, or try a partial workaround that could \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/02/13/paper-fafsa-college-financial-aid-undocumented-parents/\">put them at a higher risk of making a mistake\u003c/a> on their application or would require them to \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/02/21/better-fafsa-social-security-number-glitch-fix-announced/\">come back and fill out more paperwork later\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And there are still outstanding issues. As federal officials put the new fix in place, they \u003ca href=\"https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/library/electronic-announcements/2024-03-12/update-technical-fix-2024-25-fafsa-form-individuals-without-social-security-number-ssn\">uncovered two more issues\u003c/a> affecting the same group of students that still need to be resolved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That means parents without Social Security numbers will have to enter their financial information manually, instead of having it pulled directly from the IRS. And in some cases — when a parent enters a name or address that doesn’t exactly match what their child put down, for example — parents are still getting error messages that block them from filling out the form. Federal officials said last week they would work to fix the issue “in the coming days.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Federal officials estimated that around 2% of financial aid applicants were affected by the original Social Security number glitch, which would equate to hundreds of thousands of students in a typical year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The issue caught the attention of dozens of Democratic House members, who \u003ca href=\"https://huffman.house.gov/imo/media/doc/FAFSA%20SSN%20Letter_Huffman_Garcia_Allred_Barragan.pdf\">sent a letter\u003c/a> to U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona urging the department to fix the problem quickly. \u003ca href=\"https://chuygarcia.house.gov/media/press-releases/garcia-huffman-allred-and-barragan-applaud-permanent-fix-to-federal-student-aid-form-following-letter-they-led\">In a press release issued last week\u003c/a>, U.S. Rep. Jared Huffman of California said the glitch was a “completely unacceptable error” that had caused “fear, stress, and missed opportunities for many kids across my district and the country.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I hope to see the Department take the steps necessary to ensure issues like this never arise again,” Huffman said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The rollout of the new FAFSA has been riddled with \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/colorado/2024/01/31/colorado-families-students-experience-more-fafsa-delays/\">problems and delays\u003c/a>. Education department officials have blamed \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/03/11/how-new-fafsa-problems-began/\">insufficient funding and significant technical challenges\u003c/a> in updating old systems. Republicans have \u003ca href=\"https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/student-aid-policy/2024/03/04/how-ambitious-plans-new-fafsa-ended-fiasco\">accused the administration of being distracted by dealing with student loan forgiveness\u003c/a>. Outside observers have said \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/us/politics/fafsa-college-admissions.html\">all these factors and more played a role\u003c/a>, according to news reports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FAFSA applications are down 33% compared with this time last year, according to federal data \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncan.org/page/FAFSAtracker\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">tracked by the National College Attainment Network\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, many colleges have \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/colorado/2024/02/29/colleges-and-universities-in-colorado-push-enrollment-other-deadlines/\">pushed back deadlines\u003c/a> as they wait for student financial information that will help them assemble aid packages. And families are waiting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, college counselors and advisers say they’re working to make sure students know what to do if they \u003ca href=\"https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-fafsa-fix-for-mixed-status-families-is-a-work-in-progress\">continue to encounter glitches\u003c/a>. They’re also trying to keep students’ spirits up and getting them ready to compare their financial aid and acceptance packages when they come in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The most important thing we can do is to share information about how to go about entering information manually, how to make sure that as they are completing those steps that it requires a lot of precision,” Seider said. “We really want to make sure that students and families are being proactive, and not experiencing this as their shortcoming, but rather saying ‘Hey, this system has been a little confusing, we need some help with it.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Kalyn Belsha is a senior national education reporter based in Chicago. Contact her at \u003c/i>\u003ca href=\"mailto:kbelsha@chalkbeat.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003ci>kbelsha@chalkbeat.org\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003ci>.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chalkbeat is a nonprofit news site covering \u003ca href=\"https://www.chalkbeat.org/2024/03/18/better-fafsa-fix-for-students-with-undocumented-parents-social-security/\" rel=\"canonical\">educational change\u003c/a> in public schools.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/mindshift/63363/long-awaited-fafsa-fix-means-students-from-immigrant-families-can-finally-finish-aid-applications","authors":["byline_mindshift_63363"],"categories":["mindshift_21694"],"tags":["mindshift_21261","mindshift_21305","mindshift_21225","mindshift_21017","mindshift_21408"],"featImg":"mindshift_63364","label":"mindshift"},"mindshift_63208":{"type":"posts","id":"mindshift_63208","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"mindshift","id":"63208","score":null,"sort":[1707994833000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"yet-another-fafsa-problem-many-noncitizens-cant-fill-it-out","title":"Yet another FAFSA problem: Many noncitizens can't fill it out","publishDate":1707994833,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Yet another FAFSA problem: Many noncitizens can’t fill it out | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"mindshift"},"content":"\u003cdiv class=\"storyMajorUpdateDate\">\u003cstrong>Updated February 13, 2024 at 6:00 AM ET\u003c/strong>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>Most days, Vanessa Cordova Ramirez wakes at 6 a.m. to take care of her little brother, walk the puppy, make breakfast, and tidy up her family’s Queens apartment before heading to school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She’s a planner. Otherwise, the 17-year-old says, she couldn’t manage schoolwork, extracurriculars, two jobs, and family responsibilities. “Life is a little hectic,” she admits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cordova Ramirez is in her final semester at Williamsburg Preparatory High School, and already has acceptances from all five of her top college choices. Location – a college near her family in New York City – was top priority, she says. But next on the list? Affordability. In order to make this dream come true she needs federal financial aid and scholarships.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a moment she’s been planning for years. But last month, when Cordova Ramirez and her mom sat down with a counselor to fill out the FAFSA, the form that will determine how much assistance she’ll receive, all they got was an error message.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>“They don’t have any solutions for us”\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Her family is not alone. This rejection has been a common error for students with parents who don’t have a Social Security number, says Kristin Azer, a college counselor at Williamsburg Prep.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In reporting this story, NPR spoke with families, counselors and advocates who shared similar problems. Among those impacted are permanent residents, green card holders or undocumented parents without a Social Security number.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the form opened in January, Azer, Cordova Ramirez and her mom have tried to complete the online application more than 20 times. Each time, they get the same error message, directing them to a phone number for any questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’ve called the number. They don’t have any solutions for us,” says Azer. When they call, they get an automated message that provides old and outdated information. When she’s lucky enough to get a live person on the line, often after waiting on hold for hours, they tell her to try filling out the form again later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Do you understand how frustrating that is?” she says. “You act like we have all the time in the world to just sit down and be like ‘Ah, time to apply for the FAFSA right now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following NPR’s reporting, the U.S. Education Department said it was aware of the problem and that staff were meeting daily to resolve it. They recommended that students with parents who aren’t citizens should wait to fill out the form online, but were unable to provide any timeline for the fix.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s the latest in a series of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/63075/a-new-fafsa-setback-means-many-college-financial-aid-offers-wont-come-until-april\">problems with the FAFSA this year\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/62959/the-fafsa-rollout-has-been-rough-on-students-the-biggest-problem-is-yet-to-come\">The form rolled out months late\u003c/a>, setting colleges scrambling to get financial aid packages out in time. Even with the extra time to get it correct, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/63005/exclusive-the-education-department-says-it-will-fix-its-1-8-billion-fafsa-mistake\">NPR reported recently on a technicality\u003c/a> the department overlooked – potentially costing students almost $2 billion.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Concerns about bad advice\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The implications of this latest problem are huge, preventing families from getting essential access to money for college, or even making informed enrollment decisions about how much a college education will cost them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, there have been troubling reports of potentially risky workarounds – like asking students to take photos of their parents’ passports and email them to the Ed Department.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“First of all, that assumes [the parents] have one,” says Bill Short, who runs a scholarship program for first-generation students at Saint Lawrence University in Canton, N.Y. Beyond that, he adds, it raises serious concerns about online privacy:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Emailing a sensitive document like that is about as insecure as it gets. You might as well make [the required paperwork] into a paper airplane and toss it out the window.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>The long wait continues\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The Education Department did not respond to repeated requests for comment on the timetable for a fix, or about the reports of families being told to send photos of their passports through email.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In past years, the general guidance with FAFSA has been for students to complete it as soon as possible. Amid the current delays, some universities have pushed back enrollment deadlines from the usual May 1 to June 1, while others have made their deposits refundable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, the frustrations are mounting for students and their families as they watch “everybody else get a head start on you,” says Short.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’re still standing in the starting line waiting for someone to say, ‘OK, now you can go,’ ” he adds. “Your perception is: ‘By the time I finally get there, they’re going to cross the finish line, and the money’s going to be gone.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cordova Ramirez feels that frustration deeply.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have done everything,” she says. “I’ve taken the extracurriculars. I’ve tried to make a good application for myself for colleges to be like, ‘Yes, that’s someone we want.'”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Every day, she asks herself the same questions, over and over: “Am I going [to college] now? Am I going to the school that I want? 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To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Yet+another+FAFSA+problem%3A+Many+noncitizens+can%27t+fill+it+out&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Students with parents who don't have a Social Security number are unable to complete the new version of the federal financial aid form, adding yet another barrier to the college admissions process.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1708443891,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":25,"wordCount":948},"headData":{"title":"Yet another FAFSA problem: Many noncitizens can't fill it out | KQED","description":"Students with parents who don't have a Social Security number are unable to complete the new version of the federal financial aid form, adding yet another barrier to the college admissions process.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialDescription":"Students with parents who don't have a Social Security number are unable to complete the new version of the federal financial aid form, adding yet another barrier to the college admissions process.","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Yet another FAFSA problem: Many noncitizens can't fill it out","datePublished":"2024-02-15T11:00:33.000Z","dateModified":"2024-02-20T15:44:51.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprImageCredit":"John Lamb","nprByline":"Sequoia Carrillo, Janet W. 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They don’t have any solutions for us,” says Azer. When they call, they get an automated message that provides old and outdated information. When she’s lucky enough to get a live person on the line, often after waiting on hold for hours, they tell her to try filling out the form again later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Do you understand how frustrating that is?” she says. “You act like we have all the time in the world to just sit down and be like ‘Ah, time to apply for the FAFSA right now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following NPR’s reporting, the U.S. Education Department said it was aware of the problem and that staff were meeting daily to resolve it. They recommended that students with parents who aren’t citizens should wait to fill out the form online, but were unable to provide any timeline for the fix.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s the latest in a series of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/63075/a-new-fafsa-setback-means-many-college-financial-aid-offers-wont-come-until-april\">problems with the FAFSA this year\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/62959/the-fafsa-rollout-has-been-rough-on-students-the-biggest-problem-is-yet-to-come\">The form rolled out months late\u003c/a>, setting colleges scrambling to get financial aid packages out in time. Even with the extra time to get it correct, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/63005/exclusive-the-education-department-says-it-will-fix-its-1-8-billion-fafsa-mistake\">NPR reported recently on a technicality\u003c/a> the department overlooked – potentially costing students almost $2 billion.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Concerns about bad advice\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The implications of this latest problem are huge, preventing families from getting essential access to money for college, or even making informed enrollment decisions about how much a college education will cost them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, there have been troubling reports of potentially risky workarounds – like asking students to take photos of their parents’ passports and email them to the Ed Department.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“First of all, that assumes [the parents] have one,” says Bill Short, who runs a scholarship program for first-generation students at Saint Lawrence University in Canton, N.Y. Beyond that, he adds, it raises serious concerns about online privacy:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Emailing a sensitive document like that is about as insecure as it gets. You might as well make [the required paperwork] into a paper airplane and toss it out the window.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>The long wait continues\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The Education Department did not respond to repeated requests for comment on the timetable for a fix, or about the reports of families being told to send photos of their passports through email.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In past years, the general guidance with FAFSA has been for students to complete it as soon as possible. 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Other colleges won't necessarily follow","publishDate":1707264027,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Dartmouth will again require SAT, ACT scores. Other colleges won’t necessarily follow | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"mindshift"},"content":"\u003cp>Dartmouth College \u003ca href=\"https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/apply/update-testing-policy\">has announced\u003c/a> it will once again require applicants to submit standardized test scores, beginning with the next application cycle, for the class of 2029.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This comes after the Ivy League college, located in New Hampshire, opted to make test scores optional in 2020, citing the COVID-19 pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://home.dartmouth.edu/sites/home/files/2024-02/sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf\">A new study \u003c/a>conducted by the college found test scores could have helped less advantaged students, including first-generation students and students from low-income families, gain access to the school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We find ourselves missing out on some great students,” says Bruce Sacerdote, a Dartmouth economics professor and co-author of that study.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says students from disadvantaged backgrounds submitted their test scores at far lower rates, but their scores were high enough that they might have helped the students get in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We can see in the data: Oh wow, that student, boy, they had a 1450 … or a 1500 … We didn’t even know that. And they were not admitted to Dartmouth,” he says. “That is a really outstanding score. And, it would have been a great piece [of information] to have\u003cem>.\u003c/em>”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The study also found that test scores helped bring in students from high schools that didn’t already have a track record of sending students to Dartmouth.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What works for Dartmouth won’t necessarily work for everyone\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The Dartmouth study challenges the long-standing criticism that standardized tests, like the ACT and the College Board’s SAT, hurt students from marginalized backgrounds when it comes to admissions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/9/28/is-income-implicit-in-measures-of-student-ability\">Multiple\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/23/upshot/sat-inequality.html\">studies\u003c/a> have found a correlation between higher test scores and higher income. And in the high school class of 2020, Black and Latino students scored lower than white and Asian students on the math section of the SAT, \u003ca href=\"https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sat-math-scores-mirror-and-maintain-racial-inequity/\">according to the Brookings Institution\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A years-long movement to get rid of test requirements gained critical momentum when the pandemic hit and complicated students’ ability to take the exams.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The wave of test optional becomes a kind of tsunami,” says Harry Feder, executive director of FairTest, an advocacy organization that tracks test optional policies at colleges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://fairtest.org/test-optional-list/\">According to FairTest\u003c/a>, more than 1,900 U.S. colleges and universities are currently “test optional,” meaning students can decide whether they want to submit their standardized test scores with their applications. One of the largest public systems in the country, California State University, \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/education/higher-education/2022/03/csu-entrance-requirement/\">removed\u003c/a> standardized testing from their admissions requirements in 2022.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But many of the schools that went test optional during the pandemic are now weighing whether to keep those flexible testing policies. And experts stress those policies aren’t one size fits all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m concerned that other very different universities will join the bandwagon of the return to the SAT without themselves considering carefully whether the SAT aligns with their admissions objectives,” says Zachary Bleemer, an assistant professor in economics at Princeton University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He’s done research looking at a program in California that admitted students with high GPAs and low test scores. They were able to take advantage of the universities’ opportunities and resources and turn them into a successful career that wouldn’t have happened if they hadn’t been admitted. Bleemer says that \u003cem>access \u003c/em>is kind of the point of a publicly funded college. A small, private college, like Dartmouth, may have different objectives.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>College applications are always up for interpretation\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Sacerdote, at Dartmouth, acknowledges the inequities in the admissions process. But he says those inequities exist in the larger education system – not just in tests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The job of an admissions office is to \u003cem>interpret \u003c/em>an application, including test scores – which means it all comes down to human judgment, and making sure application readers don’t get obsessed with the test the way culture sometimes does.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have a lot of experience that says that people misinterpret and over emphasize numbers,” says Andrew Ho, an education professor at Harvard University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These are humans rendering judgments, right? And you hope that they have expertise. You \u003cem>trust \u003c/em>that they have expertise.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or maybe, he says, you don’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Edited by: Nicole Cohen\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Dartmouth+will+again+require+SAT%2C+ACT+scores.+Other+colleges+won%27t+necessarily+follow&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A new study conducted by Dartmouth College found test scores could have helped less advantaged students gain access to the school. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1707270850,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":719},"headData":{"title":"Dartmouth will again require SAT, ACT scores. 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And they were not admitted to Dartmouth,” he says. “That is a really outstanding score. And, it would have been a great piece [of information] to have\u003cem>.\u003c/em>”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The study also found that test scores helped bring in students from high schools that didn’t already have a track record of sending students to Dartmouth.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What works for Dartmouth won’t necessarily work for everyone\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The Dartmouth study challenges the long-standing criticism that standardized tests, like the ACT and the College Board’s SAT, hurt students from marginalized backgrounds when it comes to admissions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/9/28/is-income-implicit-in-measures-of-student-ability\">Multiple\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/23/upshot/sat-inequality.html\">studies\u003c/a> have found a correlation between higher test scores and higher income. And in the high school class of 2020, Black and Latino students scored lower than white and Asian students on the math section of the SAT, \u003ca href=\"https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sat-math-scores-mirror-and-maintain-racial-inequity/\">according to the Brookings Institution\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A years-long movement to get rid of test requirements gained critical momentum when the pandemic hit and complicated students’ ability to take the exams.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The wave of test optional becomes a kind of tsunami,” says Harry Feder, executive director of FairTest, an advocacy organization that tracks test optional policies at colleges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://fairtest.org/test-optional-list/\">According to FairTest\u003c/a>, more than 1,900 U.S. colleges and universities are currently “test optional,” meaning students can decide whether they want to submit their standardized test scores with their applications. One of the largest public systems in the country, California State University, \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/education/higher-education/2022/03/csu-entrance-requirement/\">removed\u003c/a> standardized testing from their admissions requirements in 2022.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But many of the schools that went test optional during the pandemic are now weighing whether to keep those flexible testing policies. And experts stress those policies aren’t one size fits all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m concerned that other very different universities will join the bandwagon of the return to the SAT without themselves considering carefully whether the SAT aligns with their admissions objectives,” says Zachary Bleemer, an assistant professor in economics at Princeton University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He’s done research looking at a program in California that admitted students with high GPAs and low test scores. They were able to take advantage of the universities’ opportunities and resources and turn them into a successful career that wouldn’t have happened if they hadn’t been admitted. Bleemer says that \u003cem>access \u003c/em>is kind of the point of a publicly funded college. A small, private college, like Dartmouth, may have different objectives.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>College applications are always up for interpretation\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Sacerdote, at Dartmouth, acknowledges the inequities in the admissions process. But he says those inequities exist in the larger education system – not just in tests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The job of an admissions office is to \u003cem>interpret \u003c/em>an application, including test scores – which means it all comes down to human judgment, and making sure application readers don’t get obsessed with the test the way culture sometimes does.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have a lot of experience that says that people misinterpret and over emphasize numbers,” says Andrew Ho, an education professor at Harvard University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These are humans rendering judgments, right? And you hope that they have expertise. You \u003cem>trust \u003c/em>that they have expertise.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or maybe, he says, you don’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Edited by: Nicole Cohen\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 NPR. 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Previously, it had said it would start sending that data in late January.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For more than 17 million students, the FAFSA is the key to unlocking government dollars to help cover the cost of college, including federal student loans, work-study and Pell Grants for low-income students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This new, four-to-six-week delay puts schools in a difficult bind as colleges can’t determine what financial aid students should get until they receive the government’s FAFSA data.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is some good news: One big reason for the delay is that \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/01/23/1226406495/families-colleges-remain-limbo-education-department-promises-fix-fafsa-mistake\">the department is fixing a $1.8 billion mistake in the FAFSA\u003c/a> that could have especially hurt lower-income students. Proceeding without a fix would have, at best, confused many lower-income borrowers. At worst, it would have taken money out of their pockets and likely discouraged some from enrolling in college.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When that fix was announced, Justin Draeger, president and CEO of the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators (NASFAA), said it was “the right thing to do.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Undersecretary of Education James Kvaal said in a statement Tuesday, “Updating our calculations will help students qualify for as much financial aid as possible. Thank you to the financial aid advisers, college counselors, and many others helping us put students first.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kvaal and the department know this delay will hit college financial aid offices especially hard and further compress their timeline for sending out financial aid offers. Draeger tells NPR that if schools don’t receive FAFSA data until early to mid-March, many of them likely won’t be able to send financial aid offers to students until April. For many of those students, that leaves less than a month before they’re expected to commit to a college.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charles Conn, a top aid administrator at Cal Poly Pomona, tells NPR he is “relieved” the Education Department is fixing that $1.8 billion mistake, but “our hearts sank as we learned that schools will now not begin receiving FAFSA data until the first part of March, at the earliest.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s going to be difficult to get aid offers out to prospective students before April,” says Brad Barnett, the financial aid director at James Madison University in Virginia. “It’s unfortunate that these delays could impact whether a prospective student goes to college at all this fall, or at the very least where they go.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The problem for schools — which, by extension, is now a problem for families too — is that, because this year’s FAFSA is the result of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/1216340219/the-updated-federal-student-aid-form-has-been-simplified#:~:text=NADWORNY%3A%20The%20form%20has%20been,easier%20to%20access%20financial%20information.\">a massive overhaul\u003c/a>, financial aid offices aren’t entirely sure what to expect from the data they’ll be receiving. 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Previously, it had said it would start sending that data in late January.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For more than 17 million students, the FAFSA is the key to unlocking government dollars to help cover the cost of college, including federal student loans, work-study and Pell Grants for low-income students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This new, four-to-six-week delay puts schools in a difficult bind as colleges can’t determine what financial aid students should get until they receive the government’s FAFSA data.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is some good news: One big reason for the delay is that \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/01/23/1226406495/families-colleges-remain-limbo-education-department-promises-fix-fafsa-mistake\">the department is fixing a $1.8 billion mistake in the FAFSA\u003c/a> that could have especially hurt lower-income students. Proceeding without a fix would have, at best, confused many lower-income borrowers. At worst, it would have taken money out of their pockets and likely discouraged some from enrolling in college.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When that fix was announced, Justin Draeger, president and CEO of the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators (NASFAA), said it was “the right thing to do.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Undersecretary of Education James Kvaal said in a statement Tuesday, “Updating our calculations will help students qualify for as much financial aid as possible. Thank you to the financial aid advisers, college counselors, and many others helping us put students first.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kvaal and the department know this delay will hit college financial aid offices especially hard and further compress their timeline for sending out financial aid offers. Draeger tells NPR that if schools don’t receive FAFSA data until early to mid-March, many of them likely won’t be able to send financial aid offers to students until April. For many of those students, that leaves less than a month before they’re expected to commit to a college.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charles Conn, a top aid administrator at Cal Poly Pomona, tells NPR he is “relieved” the Education Department is fixing that $1.8 billion mistake, but “our hearts sank as we learned that schools will now not begin receiving FAFSA data until the first part of March, at the earliest.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s going to be difficult to get aid offers out to prospective students before April,” says Brad Barnett, the financial aid director at James Madison University in Virginia. “It’s unfortunate that these delays could impact whether a prospective student goes to college at all this fall, or at the very least where they go.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The problem for schools — which, by extension, is now a problem for families too — is that, because this year’s FAFSA is the result of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/1216340219/the-updated-federal-student-aid-form-has-been-simplified#:~:text=NADWORNY%3A%20The%20form%20has%20been,easier%20to%20access%20financial%20information.\">a massive overhaul\u003c/a>, financial aid offices aren’t entirely sure what to expect from the data they’ll be receiving. Ideally, they’d like several weeks to understand the new datasets and do some quality control of the new financial aid process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Schools are furiously reworking their timelines to see just how quickly they could turn around financial aid offers for students, to get them accurate aid offers as soon as possible,” says Draeger of NASFAA. But he points out, “This could be more difficult for under-resourced institutions that lack the funding, staffing, or technology capabilities of their peers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This new setback gives schools very little room for error.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Scott Skaro, the financial aid director at United Tribes Technical College, in North Dakota, says this new FAFSA timeline will be tough on tribal colleges, where more than 80% of students are low income and qualify for a federal Pell Grant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is pretty devastating news,” says Skaro.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s good, he says, that the department is acting to make sure students get all the aid they’re entitled to, but not being able to make aid offers to prospective students until April or May could also do real harm.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our students rely on the peace of mind that comes with grant aid. And this uncertainty may lead them away from education. I don’t want the seniors of 2024 to be just a lost generation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He worries that the longer seniors have to wait to know if college is affordable, the harder it will be for some to resist “the temptations to just find some entry-level job and give up on additional schooling. I just worry how many there are out there.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=A+new+FAFSA+setback+means+many+college+financial+aid+offers+won%27t+come+until+April&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/mindshift/63075/a-new-fafsa-setback-means-many-college-financial-aid-offers-wont-come-until-april","authors":["byline_mindshift_63075"],"categories":["mindshift_21694"],"tags":["mindshift_21261","mindshift_21305","mindshift_21811","mindshift_21225","mindshift_21306","mindshift_21376"],"featImg":"mindshift_63076","label":"mindshift"},"mindshift_63005":{"type":"posts","id":"mindshift_63005","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"mindshift","id":"63005","score":null,"sort":[1706094005000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"exclusive-the-education-department-says-it-will-fix-its-1-8-billion-fafsa-mistake","title":"The Education Department says it will fix its $1.8 billion FAFSA mistake","publishDate":1706094005,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The Education Department says it will fix its $1.8 billion FAFSA mistake | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"mindshift"},"content":"\u003cp>Families have a lot of questions right now about how much help they’ll get paying for college — questions that financial aid offices can’t yet answer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because this year’s Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) is months behind schedule. And to make things \u003cem>really\u003c/em> complicated, it includes a mistake that would have cost students $1.8 billion in federal student aid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/01/09/1222664638/fafsa-student-financial-aid-college\">We covered the mistake in detail here\u003c/a>. In a nutshell: The U.S. Education Department’s FAFSA math, for deciding how much aid a student should get, is wrong.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In practice, this mistake would make some students and families appear to have more income than they really do, and that means they would get less aid than they should. And not just federal financial aid but also all sorts of state and school-based aid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday, a department spokesperson confirmed to NPR that the department will fix this mistake in time for the 2024-2025 award year, though the spokesperson could not provide details on how or how quickly the fix will be made. For the first time, the department also gave a sense of just how much federal student aid is at stake: $1.8 billion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The Biden-Harris Administration is committed to making higher education possible for more students, including through ensuring students qualify for as much financial aid as possible,” the spokesperson said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The FAFSA mistake had college financial aid offices worried\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>“The polite way to say it is, wow. I mean, I was shocked.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s how Brad Barnett, the financial aid director at James Madison University in Virginia, describes learning about the mistake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I get that there’s complexities in building and programming a new system. OK. But forgetting to put the right numbers into a table that now has created all this consternation and delays really surprised me.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The FAFSA is new this year because Congress passed a law ordering the Education Department to make sweeping changes. The idea was to make it easier to fill out and to give more lower-income families access to federal aid. Families like Myrna Aguilar’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I am a single parent. In addition to my son, my mom lives with us, so we’re a multigenerational family, which is awesome,” Aguilar told NPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aguilar’s son, David Thornton, is studying mechanical engineering at Cal Poly Pomona in Southern California, where he just finished his first semester.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was fun,” Thornton says, wearing a hooded sweatshirt emblazoned with “Cal Poly Pomona College of Engineering.” “There were a lot of events that I really enjoyed. My classes were very interesting. Stressful, but interesting.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thornton got lots of help paying for college, including a $1,500 Pell Grant from the U.S. government. Pell Grants are for lower-income students and don’t need to be paid back. That’s important because after Thornton filled out the new FAFSA a couple of weeks ago, the Education Department sent him an email with a surprise: Next year, it says, he’s going to lose that $1,500 Pell Grant, though it’s unclear why.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That actually is equivalent to an extra mortgage payment,” Aguilar says. “That’s, you know, inconvenient.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She insists this won’t keep her son from returning to Cal Poly, which he loves. She’ll save and fill the gap, if that’s what it takes. But she wants to know: Why did this happen?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It \u003cem>could \u003c/em>be because of the department’s FAFSA mistake. Financial aid experts tell NPR it’s difficult at this point to know for certain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re in a situation where we really can’t help students or their families,” says Charles Conn, a top aid administrator at Thornton’s university, Cal Poly Pomona. “They’re getting some information from the Department of Ed. We’re not\u003cem>.”\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because of this year’s big FAFSA overhaul, Conn says, the Education Department is really behind, and it’s telling colleges they won’t be getting any financial aid data for students like Thornton until the end of this month, at the earliest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[That] really cripples our office and our ability to fulfill our role, which is to help students and their families make sense of all of this,” Conn says. That includes helping Thornton and Aguilar understand what happened to his Pell Grant.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>With no details on the fix, financial aid timelines are still in the air\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The Education Department says it will fix the FAFSA mistake this year, but it did not clarify how or when. And it’s unclear what impact any fix would have on universities’ financial aid timelines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before the department shared its decision, NPR spoke with a dozen financial aid experts and administrators across the U.S. — at colleges big and small, public and private — to hear how \u003cem>they\u003c/em> think the department should manage a potential fix.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t know what the best option is. None of them are good,” says Karen Krause, the executive director of financial aid for the University of Texas at Arlington.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Option 1: The Education Department can try to fix this quickly, before it sends any student FAFSA data on to colleges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The problem with that option is that even a quick fix will take time, further delaying the student data that universities need. Without that data, colleges can’t even begin to come up with financial aid offers to send to families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s nausea-inducing,” says Christina Tangalakis, who manages student aid for Glendale Community College, in Glendale, California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s also an option 2, she says, where the fix takes long enough that the department has to go ahead and send colleges data it knows is wrong, with a promise to update the data as soon as it can. That way, colleges can at least give families something, a kind of starting point. But Tangalakis worries that for many lower-income students, those preliminary award letters would be too low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How many students will be discouraged by what they see on paper and not even attend?” Tangalakis says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We heard this fear a lot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our students absolutely are relying on this,” says Scott Skaro, the financial aid director at United Tribes Technical College, in North Dakota.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says tribal colleges will be hit especially hard by this uncertainty because more than 80% of their students qualify for a federal Pell Grant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[Students] may just go find some low-paying job that’s gonna pay the bills now, and they’ll just give up on school,” Skaro worries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Robert Muhammad, director of financial aid at Howard University, shares that concern.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Some students may truly feel defeated and decide not to pursue their education at this time.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most of the financial aid experts told NPR that they want the department to hurry up and make this fix now, before any award letters go out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Is that realistic? Tangalakis, of Glendale Community College, says that shouldn’t matter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When we were headed to space, Kennedy said we do things because they’re hard. This is something hard, but it’s necessary.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many students have just over three months left before they’re expected to commit to a college. But colleges say that in the best case, it will still be weeks before they can begin sending out financial aid offers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At this point, for families, universities and the Education Department, the clock isn’t just ticking. It’s roaring.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Exclusive%3A+The+Education+Department+says+it+will+fix+its+%241.8+billion+FAFSA+mistake&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The U.S. Department of Education says it will fix a mistake that would have hurt low-income students, lowering their financial aid.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1706197485,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":41,"wordCount":1343},"headData":{"title":"The Education Department says it will fix its $1.8 billion FAFSA mistake | KQED","description":"The U.S. Department of Education says it will fix a mistake that would have hurt low-income students, lowering their financial aid.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialDescription":"The U.S. Department of Education says it will fix a mistake that would have hurt low-income students, lowering their financial aid.","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"The Education Department says it will fix its $1.8 billion FAFSA mistake","datePublished":"2024-01-24T11:00:05.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-25T15:44:45.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Cory Turner","nprImageAgency":"Gabriella Angotti-Jones for NPR","nprStoryId":"1226406495","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=1226406495&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/2024/01/23/1226406495/families-colleges-remain-limbo-education-department-promises-fix-fafsa-mistake?ft=nprml&f=1226406495","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Tue, 23 Jan 2024 19:56:00 -0500","nprStoryDate":"Tue, 23 Jan 2024 16:29:00 -0500","nprLastModifiedDate":"Tue, 23 Jan 2024 19:56:50 -0500","nprAudio":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/atc/2024/01/20240123_atc_families_colleges_remain_in_limbo_as_the_education_department_promises_to_fix_fafsa.mp3?orgId=1&topicId=1013&d=412&p=2&story=1226406495&ft=nprml&f=1226406495","nprAudioM3u":"http://api.npr.org/m3u/11226406496-1d1abc.m3u?orgId=1&topicId=1013&d=412&p=2&story=1226406495&ft=nprml&f=1226406495","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/mindshift/63005/exclusive-the-education-department-says-it-will-fix-its-1-8-billion-fafsa-mistake","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/atc/2024/01/20240123_atc_families_colleges_remain_in_limbo_as_the_education_department_promises_to_fix_fafsa.mp3?orgId=1&topicId=1013&d=412&p=2&story=1226406495&ft=nprml&f=1226406495","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Families have a lot of questions right now about how much help they’ll get paying for college — questions that financial aid offices can’t yet answer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because this year’s Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) is months behind schedule. And to make things \u003cem>really\u003c/em> complicated, it includes a mistake that would have cost students $1.8 billion in federal student aid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/01/09/1222664638/fafsa-student-financial-aid-college\">We covered the mistake in detail here\u003c/a>. In a nutshell: The U.S. Education Department’s FAFSA math, for deciding how much aid a student should get, is wrong.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In practice, this mistake would make some students and families appear to have more income than they really do, and that means they would get less aid than they should. And not just federal financial aid but also all sorts of state and school-based aid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday, a department spokesperson confirmed to NPR that the department will fix this mistake in time for the 2024-2025 award year, though the spokesperson could not provide details on how or how quickly the fix will be made. For the first time, the department also gave a sense of just how much federal student aid is at stake: $1.8 billion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The Biden-Harris Administration is committed to making higher education possible for more students, including through ensuring students qualify for as much financial aid as possible,” the spokesperson said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The FAFSA mistake had college financial aid offices worried\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>“The polite way to say it is, wow. I mean, I was shocked.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s how Brad Barnett, the financial aid director at James Madison University in Virginia, describes learning about the mistake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I get that there’s complexities in building and programming a new system. OK. But forgetting to put the right numbers into a table that now has created all this consternation and delays really surprised me.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The FAFSA is new this year because Congress passed a law ordering the Education Department to make sweeping changes. The idea was to make it easier to fill out and to give more lower-income families access to federal aid. Families like Myrna Aguilar’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I am a single parent. 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That’s important because after Thornton filled out the new FAFSA a couple of weeks ago, the Education Department sent him an email with a surprise: Next year, it says, he’s going to lose that $1,500 Pell Grant, though it’s unclear why.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That actually is equivalent to an extra mortgage payment,” Aguilar says. “That’s, you know, inconvenient.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She insists this won’t keep her son from returning to Cal Poly, which he loves. She’ll save and fill the gap, if that’s what it takes. But she wants to know: Why did this happen?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It \u003cem>could \u003c/em>be because of the department’s FAFSA mistake. Financial aid experts tell NPR it’s difficult at this point to know for certain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re in a situation where we really can’t help students or their families,” says Charles Conn, a top aid administrator at Thornton’s university, Cal Poly Pomona. “They’re getting some information from the Department of Ed. We’re not\u003cem>.”\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because of this year’s big FAFSA overhaul, Conn says, the Education Department is really behind, and it’s telling colleges they won’t be getting any financial aid data for students like Thornton until the end of this month, at the earliest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[That] really cripples our office and our ability to fulfill our role, which is to help students and their families make sense of all of this,” Conn says. That includes helping Thornton and Aguilar understand what happened to his Pell Grant.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>With no details on the fix, financial aid timelines are still in the air\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The Education Department says it will fix the FAFSA mistake this year, but it did not clarify how or when. And it’s unclear what impact any fix would have on universities’ financial aid timelines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before the department shared its decision, NPR spoke with a dozen financial aid experts and administrators across the U.S. — at colleges big and small, public and private — to hear how \u003cem>they\u003c/em> think the department should manage a potential fix.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t know what the best option is. None of them are good,” says Karen Krause, the executive director of financial aid for the University of Texas at Arlington.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Option 1: The Education Department can try to fix this quickly, before it sends any student FAFSA data on to colleges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The problem with that option is that even a quick fix will take time, further delaying the student data that universities need. Without that data, colleges can’t even begin to come up with financial aid offers to send to families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s nausea-inducing,” says Christina Tangalakis, who manages student aid for Glendale Community College, in Glendale, California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s also an option 2, she says, where the fix takes long enough that the department has to go ahead and send colleges data it knows is wrong, with a promise to update the data as soon as it can. That way, colleges can at least give families something, a kind of starting point. But Tangalakis worries that for many lower-income students, those preliminary award letters would be too low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How many students will be discouraged by what they see on paper and not even attend?” Tangalakis says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We heard this fear a lot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our students absolutely are relying on this,” says Scott Skaro, the financial aid director at United Tribes Technical College, in North Dakota.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says tribal colleges will be hit especially hard by this uncertainty because more than 80% of their students qualify for a federal Pell Grant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[Students] may just go find some low-paying job that’s gonna pay the bills now, and they’ll just give up on school,” Skaro worries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Robert Muhammad, director of financial aid at Howard University, shares that concern.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Some students may truly feel defeated and decide not to pursue their education at this time.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most of the financial aid experts told NPR that they want the department to hurry up and make this fix now, before any award letters go out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Is that realistic? Tangalakis, of Glendale Community College, says that shouldn’t matter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When we were headed to space, Kennedy said we do things because they’re hard. This is something hard, but it’s necessary.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many students have just over three months left before they’re expected to commit to a college. But colleges say that in the best case, it will still be weeks before they can begin sending out financial aid offers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At this point, for families, universities and the Education Department, the clock isn’t just ticking. It’s roaring.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Exclusive%3A+The+Education+Department+says+it+will+fix+its+%241.8+billion+FAFSA+mistake&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/mindshift/63005/exclusive-the-education-department-says-it-will-fix-its-1-8-billion-fafsa-mistake","authors":["byline_mindshift_63005"],"categories":["mindshift_21694"],"tags":["mindshift_21261","mindshift_21305","mindshift_21810","mindshift_21225","mindshift_21306"],"featImg":"mindshift_63006","label":"mindshift"},"mindshift_62952":{"type":"posts","id":"mindshift_62952","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"mindshift","id":"62952","score":null,"sort":[1704970831000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"colleges-must-give-communities-a-seat-at-the-table-alongside-scientists-to-achieve-real-environmental-justice","title":"Colleges must give communities a seat at the table with scientists to achieve real environmental justice","publishDate":1704970831,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Colleges must give communities a seat at the table with scientists to achieve real environmental justice | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"mindshift"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This opinion column was produced by \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Hechinger Report\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, a nonprofit, independent news organization focused on inequality and innovation in education. Sign up for the \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/newsletters/\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hechinger newsletter\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pleasantville is a mostly Black and Hispanic community located between two major freeways, the I-10 and the 610, in Houston, Texas. This placement is no accident, said\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bridgette Murray, a retired nurse and local community leader: “\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The highway plan in the 1950s was used to divide communities of color.” Today, an estimated 300,000 vehicles stream by on a daily basis, she said. The neighborhood is also close to the Houston Ship Channel, exposing it to heavy industrial pollution. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But state air monitoring stations aren’t placed to capture all the hazards concentrated in that small area. So Murray’s group, ACTS (Achieving Community Tasks Successfully), has been partnering for almost a decade with urban planning expert Robert Bullard at Texas Southern University, to do their own air quality monitoring. ACTS \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-awards-nearly-500000-texas-organization-improve-air-quality-houston-area\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">just won\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> a grant from the Environmental Protection Agency to expand the program.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bullard has been called the father of the environmental justice movement. 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There are partnerships like the one in Houston all over the South: Dillard and Xavier Universities, in New Orleans, working on wetlands restoration and equitable recovery from storms; Jackson State is working in Gulfport, Mississippi, on legacy pollution; and Florida A&M in Pensacola on the issue of landfills and borrow pits (holes dug to extract sand and clay that are then used as landfill).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bullard said it’s no accident that so many HBCUs are involved in this work. “Black colleges and universities historically combined the idea of using education for advancement and liberation, with the struggle for civil rights.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When these partnerships go smoothly, Bullard said, universities provide community-based organizations with access to data and help advocating for themselves; students and scholars get opportunities to do applied research with a clear social mission.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A lot of growth is happening in environmental justice right now. 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There are partnerships like the one in Houston all over the South: Dillard and Xavier Universities, in New Orleans, working on wetlands restoration and equitable recovery from storms; Jackson State is working in Gulfport, Mississippi, on legacy pollution; and Florida A&M in Pensacola on the issue of landfills and borrow pits (holes dug to extract sand and clay that are then used as landfill).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bullard said it’s no accident that so many HBCUs are involved in this work. “Black colleges and universities historically combined the idea of using education for advancement and liberation, with the struggle for civil rights.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When these partnerships go smoothly, Bullard said, universities provide community-based organizations with access to data and help advocating for themselves; students and scholars get opportunities to do applied research with a clear social mission.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A lot of growth is happening in environmental justice right now. 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