Light clouds in a clear, blue sky, with a view of the Western Wall and the golden Dome of the Rock Islamic shrine on December 6, 2017 in Jerusalem, Israel. U.S. President Donald Trump announced his recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital on Wednesday.

President Trump honored a campaign promise on Wednesday by recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. The United States is the only country to do so. A Palestinian representative called the decision a “kiss of death” for the two-state solution, while the human rights group Amnesty International condemned the move as “undermining the international rule of law.” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised the decision, which he called “courageous and just.”

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Greg Myre, national security correspondent, National Public Radio

President Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Capital of Israel 7 December,2017Michael Krasny

  • EIDALM

    Outrages and and stupid, and shameful criminal act by Donald Trump against the Palestinian people as well as all of the international community which amount to more massive land theft by the pariah garrison suedo state which have been illegally occupying other people land for over 50 years after 8 genocidal wars and hundreds of bloody invasions against all of it’s surrounding countries that resulted in the death of over one hundred thousands in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestinian, and elsewhere, so while Trump despicable unlawful decision inflict an added extreme extension of death and suffering on the Palestinian people, it also does lots of harm to Israel long term survival, it the decision have put an end to the two state solutions, but now with all of the countries in the World are extremely angered by Trump decision, Israel is about to be more isolated than ever, while sooner than later will lose the unqualified blind support of the U S and as soon as that happen, Jewish people and the Palestinian will live together in peace and harmony, but the current form for of pariah garrison state will end and will be written in the darkest pages of human history.

    • Curious

      This is hate speech.

    • Brux

      The only genocide wherein the people who it is supposedly directed against have one of the highest birthrates and rate of population growth in the world.

  • EIDALM

    Donald Trump made this idiot decision that will have long lasting harm on the Palestinians and on Israel as well for several reasons 1) Divert the attention of the American people from his ever expanding investigation his Russian connections that seems to contain lots of shady financial connection. 2) Pay back his dues to the extreme pro Israel groups and individuals including AIPAC, ZOE, Sheldon Adelson, my fellow Egyptian Jew Haim Saban, and several others. 3) Trumps son in law, Jared Kushner is an extreme right wing dual Israeli citizen who is connected and being involved in financing and supporting illegal settlements 4) It just another manifestation of his unqualified hatred of Muslims, but in fact great number of Palestinians are Christians, This is just one more added stupid and reckless decision of Donald Trump, among hundreds of others and more to come.

    • Curious

      Brilliant and courageous move by Trump. The West can no longer bow to Islamic terror.

      • Brux

        I truly detest everything about Trump, but he seems to have blundered into doing something that might actually send a message to Palestinians, that in addition to the continued building of settlements, impresses that time is not longer on the side of the Palestinians and maybe they should think about getting better representation in their government than these terrorist connected jokers that still want to destroy Israel.

        I have to wonder how a new Kurdish state might affect how Islam views Israel. No one wants to live under the domination of a system as oppressive and intolerent as radical islam, and if there was a real world government and it was not a pawn of islamic states that fact would take a much higher priority than quibbling about where Israel has its capital.

  • EIDALM

    I would like to ask my friend Michael Krasny of what he thinks about this Trump decision regarding Jerusalem.

  • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

    I honestly can’t wait until the Lord Jesus comes back and resolves this matter once and for all. Until that time Trump is behaving as a Presidential Troll. Has anyone else ever noticed he tries to create as much disruption as he possibly can?

    • Noelle

      I’ve heard years ago about making Jerusalem an international city in that no one group can claim as its own.

      • Bill_Woods

        But “international city” doesn’t mean anything.
        Who’s in charge of picking up the garbage? That’s who a city belongs to.

        • Another Mike

          It would be like the Free City of Danzig (between the world wars) or Vatican City, where you have to step outside to change your mind.

      • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

        That would please nobody.

      • Another Mike

        That was in the original UN General Assembly Resolution 181, which the Israelis completely ignored.

      • Brux

        No plan that does not give Islam a path to reclaiming what it believes is its holy right to dominate all lands, and more, that have ever been held by Islam, will ever be considered seriously. Hamas just reiterated that:

        from the group’s charter: “The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realization of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The day of judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jews will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say ‘O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”

        Why is there any delusion at all that there is or can be a peace process when such elements have control of the Palestinian government? Why is Israel blamed for everything it does, and never a word about Hamas, and what I suspect is the same with the government in the West Bank who are just smart enough not to spell it out publicly?

        • Noelle

          All 3 of the religions want to claim it all for themselves. Why can’t God tell them to share??? LOL.

          • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

            He has. They’re ignoring their Scriptures.

          • Noelle

            Thank you for your clarity!

        • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

          Islam will evolve. It isn’t strictly a political entity anyway. Move the vowels in those texts around a little and they’ll say, “Love your Jewish brethren more than you do lamb kebab and rice.”

    • Curious

      Uh, he is doing what every other modern day president has promised to do but failed to do.

      • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

        They were exercising diplomacy in the interest of peace. What’s wrong with that?

  • Noelle

    All I can figure is that Sheldon Adelson the billionaire has been leaning on DJT about this. I don’t understand why some evangelical Christians support this, but that’s what I hear.

  • geraldfnord

    Israel exists because of the determination and resources of its founders and its origin in an internationally-recognised action by the U.N.. One of the fundamental principles of the U.N. is the illegitimacy of annexation through military action with no later legitimisation by treaty. Though Israel is far from alone in this, as residents of Western Sahara and the Crimea can attest, the recognition of those parts of Jerusalem gained through war with no questions asked of their residents or the former governing authority—as opposed to temporary occupation for exigencies of security designed to be ended by treaty—is a blow against the system that has allowed Israel to exist. ‘Better “jaw-jaw” than “war-war”.’

    Then again, the only form of force that fascists (and the stupider anarchists) respect is raw physical force. At the end of the day, force does underly all law, but the point and good of civilisation is to avoid the end of the day as much as possible. Put another way, the Law clothes naked Force, and (a few naturists excepted) most of us know that most of us are lucky that we are not usually seen naked.

  • Another Mike

    The Middle East peace process has been stalled since Rabin’s assassination, in 1995. Maybe this move is drastic enough to jump start it.

    All that Obama did, for example, was resupply the IDF with ammunition, when their stocks ran low during their invasion of Gaza in 2014.

    • Noelle

      I hope so. It’s true nothing has really progressed. It just shows US was never “Honest Broker”.

  • Noelle

    Well, to be fair, he still is extending it for 6 months. Plus the State Dept is so depleted how many diplomats are there to move the embassy anyway?

    • Bill_Woods

      How many diplomats does it take to change the sign on the front of the present consulate?

      • Noelle

        they probably do need to build a secure embassy which isn’t easy.

  • Ben Rawner

    Jerusalem is the most important site for Jews around the world. It’s not the second, as it is for Christians, or 5th for Muslims. Israel’s whole government and culture is based out of Jerusalem. Since peace negotiations are basically dead what’s the difference.

    • Another Mike

      Modern Judaism — rabbinical Judaism — has nothing to do with the Temple-based Judaism of Christ’s time. In fact, Christ condemned the Pharisees who were actively supplanting the cohens and levites with their dull text-based religion. Today’s Judaism has only very nebulous ties to Jerusalem.

      • Noelle

        yeah sounds like a lot of Israelis are using the Jerusalem issue as a political move, and to appeal to extreme Zionists and Christian evangelicals.

      • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

        Jesus will establish His Eternal Throne in Jerusalem, probably on the Temple Mount, which suggests that certain current fixtures will have to be relocated. It was the Temple’s corrupt leadership (which even the Talmud criticized) that the Lord Jesus singled out for reproof during His tenure on earth, not all Pharisees. This comes out clearly in the Aramaic peshittas.

        • Noelle

          But do us humans have the obligation to relocate them? I thought this is up to God?

          • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

            God will direct His servants to do the actual moving. Now is not the time for that, however, and it is my firm conviction that Donald Trump serves Satan, not God.

          • Ben Rawner

            Trump serves only himself.

          • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

            Satan is pleased with most of his actions.

          • Noelle

            Hallelujah?

          • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

            We must resist his influence and call him out on his misdeeds!

        • Another Mike

          I don’t know. Jesus seems to have ripped the Pharisees a new one in Matthew Chapter 23.

          • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

            Verses 2 and 3 of that chapter prove that Pharisaism in general was on the right track. It was the sect’s hypocritical leadership that had gone astray.

          • Another Mike

            Reading five translations at once, I am sure not seeing any distinctions being made between good Pharisees and bad.

        • Ben Rawner

          Who cares what Jesus said. We are talking about Judaism and not some obscure cult that was coopted by the Roman Empire to maintain control. Christian’s have spent over a thousand years subjugating, killing, torturing, and all around making life miserable for Jews. Why should we listen to the person who was used as an excuse for this nonesense. Even now evangelicals like yourself are attempting to use Jews to fulfill some misguided prophecy in which the Jews will ultimately be removed from the Kingdom of heaven.

          • Reverend Lurlean Tucker

            I never said any such thing! Only pseudo-Christians do harm to Jews, who are still God’s Chosen People (provided they obey their Covenant with Him), not True Christians. There are mansions in God’s Kingdom for everyone who does God’s Will. That includes the practitioners of most world religions, including Judaism. The only one I’m not sure about is Scientology.

      • Ben Rawner

        Tell that to the Safardic Jews from Africa or Jews from the giant expanse of Russia. Rabbinical Judaism is not how the current government is run. Jews from around the world have prayed towards and enshrined Jerusalem since the diaspora. The only thing nebulous is your definition of modern Jews.

        • Another Mike

          How did Judaism survive 2000 years without access to the Temple or Jerusalem? Rabbinical Judaism. An actual physical Jerusalem is completely unnecessary to the practice of the faith. Jews “from the giant expanse of Russia” are mostly Polish Jews that became Russian during the multiple partitions of Poland. And Sephardis dispersed westward at the same time. Only long residence on the Iberian peninsula distinguishes them from the Ashkenazim.

    • Bill_Woods

      What’s the “most important site” for Christians? Rome?

  • 1PeterDuMont2STARALLIANCE8

    Looking to positive potentials here: Now that President Trump has “recognized reality” by recognizing Israel’s long-functioning capital in Jerusalem; might this not be a wonderful opportunity to locate a functioning Palestinian capital there?

    • Bill_Woods

      Another prerequisite: a functioning Palestinian government.

      • Another Mike

        When it looked like Hamas and Abbas would reach an agreement in 2014, the yeshiva boy kidnapping effectively torpedoed it, resulting in the last Israeli invasion of Gaza. Israel cannot live with a functioning Palestinian government.

  • Noelle

    Why aren’t you talking about Sheldon Adelson?

  • marte48

    This is all about Donald Trump’s overblown sense of self-importance mucking up things he knows virtually nothing about.

    • Noelle

      As usual. This has dominated the latest news cycle, hasn’t it?

  • EIDALM

    According to the American research company Anholt Global Institute upon a request from the American government found out that Israel reputation among the International community is so bad and below the gutter that it uniquely won the title ISRAEL IS THE WORST BRAND NAME IN THE WORLD.

  • Robert Thomas

    Evangelical denominations attract persons who believe the Eschaton is Imminent. Predatory psychopaths who understand this have been exploiting these neurotic fantasists for many decades, in order to empower their other political and financial agendas.

    “Red Heifer” Republicans throughout the sparsely populated states in the middle of the country – a region lean in voters but rich in U.S. Senate seats – are excellent targets for the carnival barkers of the kleptocratic right wing. These theologically idiosyncratic people have been convinced that the Second Coming must be preceded by the reestablishment of the Temple in Jerusalem (the Third Temple; Ezekiel 37:26-28) – which can only be consecrated with a smoothy made from the ashes of a ritually slaughtered perfect red heifer cow (hence the appellation). One other symbol of the commencement of the Third Temple is thought by others of these to be the acknowledgement of Jerusalem as the recognized capital of its nation, in order to aid in the gathering of the Jews back to Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Fraudulent, cynical courtship of the attention of these American Christian Zionists (or earlier, “Restorationists”) has been a fruitful scam for political hucksters, bag men and other fraudsters since the Second Great Awakening.

    The Jewish people, by the way, are due nothing from this eschatology unless they accept Jesus as their savior before the events. Their fate is nothing other than a stepping stone for the Saved.

    • jakeleone

      We (the U.S.) are truly nuts.

  • jakeleone

    You know Jerusalem is a kind of Vatican, for Christians, Muslims, and Jews. It can’t be a “Political Capital”, politics don’t mix with the needs of religious people.

    But more importantly, moving our embassy will just cause more riots. Riots are a prelude to violence. An embassy in Jerusalem will be a big target for terrorism.

    Any money that would spent rebuilding that Jerusalem embassy (and believe me, that’s gonna rebuilt a few times) would be better spent on programs to encourage religious tolerance and fostering negotiation.

    So dumb idea done to pander to the evangelical Christian Conservatives, who just want a “New Israel”, without any understanding for the people who have been there for thousands of years. Really, Really dumb and useless, likely very negative.

    Look I love the Israelis, I want the nation of Israel to be protected. But that protection/defense should be a finesse defense, not an overt take someone else’s property and kick them off defense (that’s not a defense, it’s an offense). And more importantly we need to help create a generation in the middles east that can tolerate states that are not muslim, you won’t get that by threatening groups and the sacred religious monuments of places in the Middle East.

    • Another Mike

      Any money spent on programs to encourage religious tolerance and fostering negotiation would be totally wasted. Only a minority of Jewish Israelis consider that the Palestinians should have any rights at all, and the periodic slaughter of hundreds of Palestinian children by the IDF has made an impression stronger than any program could eradicate.

  • ed

    By the way the correct pronunciation of Jerusalem which was corrupted by the Greeks translation, is in old Semitic language Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew.is Dar El Salam……which means the doors( Gates) of peace.

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Michael Krasny

Michael Krasny, PhD, has been in broadcast journalism since 1983. He was with ABC in both radio and television and migrated to public broadcasting in 1993. He has been Professor of English at San Francisco State University and also taught at Stanford, the University of San Francisco and the University of California, as well as in the Fulbright International Institutes. A veteran interviewer for the nationally broadcast City Arts and Lectures, he is the author of a number of books, including “Off Mike: A Memoir of Talk Radio and Literary Life” (Stanford University Press) “Spiritual Envy” (New World); “Sound Ideas” (with M.E. Sokolik/ McGraw-Hill); “Let There Be Laughter” (Harper-Collins) as well as the twenty-four lecture series in DVD, audio and book, “Short Story Masterpieces” (The Teaching Company). He has interviewed many of the world’s leading political, cultural, literary, science and technology figures, as well as major figures from the world of entertainment. He is the recipient of many awards and honors including the S.Y. Agnon Medal for Intellectual Achievement; The Eugene Block Award for Human Rights Journalism; the James Madison Freedom of Information Award; the Excellence in Journalism Award from the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association; Career Achievement Award from the Society of Professional Journalists and an award from the Radio and Television News Directors Association. He holds a B.A. (cum laude) and M.A. from Ohio University and a PhD from the University of Wisconsin.

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