Thomas Mann, a resident scholar at the Institute of Governmental Studies, University of California, Berkeley, wears a dark blue jacket, glasses and red tie.

In his new book “One Nation After Trump,” UC Berkeley political scientist Thomas Mann argues that, despite the danger President Trump poses to our free institutions, his election may be one of the best things to happen to the United States. He joins us to discuss the book (written with E.J. Dionne and Norm Ornstein), what the 2016 election says about the country and how Trump’s presidency can lead to a renewal of civic engagement.

Guests,

Thomas Mann, resident scholar, Institute of Governmental Studies, University of California, Berkeley; co-author (with E.J. Dionne and Norm Ornstein), “One Nation After Trump: A Guide for the Perplexed, the Disillusioned, the Desperate, and the Not-Yet Deported”

Thomas Mann on ‘One Nation After Trump’ and Increased Civic Engagement 2 October,2017Michael Krasny

  • Curious

    “despite the danger President Trump poses to our free institutions”

    LOL! People are so unbelievably stupid.

    • Noelle

      The election of DJT only exposed the shortcomings of our dysfunctional political system which the political class seems unwilling to address.

      • Curious

        This overblown hysteria is ridiculous.

  • jakeleone

    If the economy grows and unemployment hits historical lows, will Democrats then stop the hysteria bating and start discussing real issues? The trade agreements and offshoring arrangements told us one thing, the previous crew of politicians treated the world to feast on the U.S. economy, but no one cared one iota about the how the slow recovery affected the American voting class.

    • Noelle

      yes, neo-liberal Dem establishment

      • William – SF

        Yes how? Elaborate, please.

        • Noelle

          none of the banksters ended up in jail for the financial meltdown:Eric Holder claimed they could not prove wrongdoing. Also, stock market recovered which was good for those with stocks and 401ks but wages remain stagnant for too many Americans.

          • William – SF

            Which laws broken by the banks did Eric Holder ignore? How is lack of crimes to indict the fault of Democrats with no culpability by Republicans? Did / do Republicans oppose financial regulations or promote them? Did Republicans propose increasing wages for Americans, say, minimum wage, or did they vehemently oppose it? (Also, what is a neo-liberal as opposed to a neo-liberal Democrat?)

          • Noelle

            I agree that the Repubs are a lot worse. But the Dems used to be for the working class, it appears they are now the party of the college-educated and take labor union support for granted. I blame Citizens United for a lot of this, now politicians spend most of their time dialing for dollars instead of learning to work with their colleagues. Al Franken’s recent book was very eye-opening.

          • William – SF

            In my humble opinion, as far as a political party being for the financial interests of the working class, the Republicans only show they choose to offer nothing, and work overtime to eliminate benefits to the working class such as health care, Social Security, minimum wage, collective bargaining, financial and privacy protections, low taxes, …, whereas Democrats fight for all of those and more. The chasm can’t be any greater.

          • Noelle

            I do agree. But voters who don’t have time or inclination to do the research rely on TV news and all that superficial dreck that passes for political reporting during campaign season.

          • jakeleone

            This is very true, hysteria does play a huge role in elections.

          • concerneth

            Fraud, theft, waste, and abuse you idiot.

          • William – SF

            Do you have specifics, or resources, or just a feeling? Do share.

    • Socrates Q. Einstein

      Most signs point to no (to answer your question).

  • EIDALM

    I totally disagree with Thomas Mann and his coauthors, with potential nuclear war with North Korea that may end up worldwide nuclear holocaust, the dismantlIng all rules and regulation regarding climate change and protection of the environment, the demise of healthcare, trillions of dollars of tax cuts to the super rich and multinational corporations, warmongering foreign policies against iran, and other countries, more sell out of the American people to goons of the wall street and billionaires, very poor choice of his cabinet members, his terrible handling the destruction of Puerto Rico by hurricane Maria, his constant insulting tweets of other politicians including some in his own party, his intention to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on useless wall when the money would be better spend on education, healthcare, and the well being of all Americans, the constant alienation of more and more Americans, specially African Americans, other minorities, immigrants, who he blames for the demise of the working class when in fact that was done by his buddies and goons of the wall street who robed us all with their stranglehold on the American government since Reagan time with their Neoliberals Milton Friedman voodoo economics of Reaganomics and the bogus trickle down economy, as well as their bubble after bubble economical crash where they robed the American people of their assets, savings, homes, and civil liberties, and their casino they call the stock Market, and their piece of plastic of phony money, they call credit card, with all changed the nature of Americans from a country with the greatest middle class in human history, to country of debtors, poor, destitute, and rampant homelessness.

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    • jakeleone

      North Korea should just be ignored, unless they do something. We can’t stop them from keeping and improving their nukes, for the simple reason that we back-stabbed Iraq.

      (BTW, The South Korean have ignored the North for decades.)

      We are untrustworthy negotiators.

      But we shouldn’t give North Korea any aide (Its okay to warn them before they step in front of a moving bus, if they didn’t threaten us too soon before) but aide, forget it. It could be in time, Kim’s paranoia will die down and he won’t care. And to the extent they threaten us directly, sanctions.

      China, Russia can do what-ever they want in regard to N.K. But they should keep in mind if you give your child a shotgun, don’t be surprised if he gets shot in the street.

      BTW, if South Korea made the same kinds of threats to China, they wouldn’t last a minute.

  • John

    More trashing Trump from KQED and an objective expert like a UC professor. The best thing to happen to the USA was the entitlement Billary Clintons not getting elected.

    • pastramiboy

      yes, you can say that as N korean missiles fly overhead and you cower under a table.

      • John

        I will not be cowering you know nothing about me but got that smart sassy mouth a flappin’ and of course being the smart liberal you are it is not as if Clinton or Obama had nothing to do with the problems of NK today typical blame Trump for something that started during the Clinton administration. No, NK problem only started on Jan 20, 2017 there was no attempt at building nuclear bombs between 1994 and Jan 20, 2001 on between Jan 20, 2009 and Jan 20, 2017.

      • NewRep

        NK was under Obama for 8 ysr

  • Curious

    At 7:15 a.m. PST today, NPR was screeching that Trump had not taken enough steps about the Vegas shooting. The left is simply unhinged.

    • Noelle

      Much like the right was unhinged during Obama administration.

      • geraldfnord

        How dare you compare the two!? People are weirdly concerned now just because nuclear weapons and other massive power are in the hands of toxic narcissism, blinkeredness, shamelessness, and the encouragement of all the worse angels of our natures, whereas people before were justifiably concerned because Obama was blatantly and unredeemably negroid.

        • Noelle

          I agree that the stakes are a lot higher now.

        • Curious

          Obama was blatantly and irredeemably incompetent.

      • Curious

        No comparison.

    • NewRep

      Yeah, he had the power to bring back the time and altered the outcome.

  • geraldfnord

    This case of the D.T.s would be good for us if it were the occasion of a ‘goodbye to all that’ rejection of trivialities, but D.T. thrives on getting as much attention as possible paid to the trivial.

    Given that and that his brand is tribalism, it’s genius of him to focus attention on the insanely trivial but intensely tribal business of caring who moves a ball across a field.

    • William – SF

      If trivial were defined as white-male red-meat wedge issues promoted, promulgated, and evangelized on Fox News, conservative radio, and Alt-right websites.

  • Noelle

    I recently read Mike Davis’ article “The Great God Trump & the White Working Class” in Spring 2017 issue of Catalyst. He had a table of all the plant closures during the 2016 campaign, “Trump Democrat” counties in PA,NY,WI,OH,MI etc: where there were plant closures announced in 2016 the voters voted for Trump. I wonder why? 🙂

  • William – SF

    Please discuss how voter representation will change by 2050 as the population moves to more populous States, and less populous States have more representation in Congress.

  • Noelle

    We also have to address voter suppression.

    • Curious

      And illegal voting.

  • Ben Rawner

    Your guest seems to be passionate about how terrible Trump is. But, millions of Americans voted for him. A quick scan of Trump’s FB page shows how little his supporters care about Trump’s actions versus what he says. You may disagree with them but their voice is now the presidents voice.

    • William – SF

      If for the grace of god and 70,001 votes this discussion wouldn’t be happening.

  • Peter Sheridan

    Yes anti-dt is enough to campaign on and truly the only contemporary issue that matters. He needs to held accountable or his tactics or they will become the new norm on how to get elected. Also while it may seem condescending to say the fringe doesn’t know what best for them they are receiving incorrect information so how could they know what’s best for them?

    • Noelle

      Unfortunately, most radio stations in the US are right-wing talk radio formats. Thank you Reagan for getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine.

      • Curious

        The MSM is 99% left wing.

  • William – SF

    David Axelrod wrote that DJT’s win would be a protest vote against his prior boss, just like Obama’s win was in regards to GW Bush. Why would this pattern end with DJT?

  • Noelle

    Yes I like what he said that tax-cutting as a theology! Deficits don’t matter anymore? CBO scoring doesn’t matter anymore?

  • 1PeterDuMont2STARALLIANCE8

    Dr. Mann stated to the effect: “We have to get underneath this and see what can be done.” Today is Gandhi’s birthday. A rational reaction to yesterday’s horrific mass shooting is to look as deeply as possible into the values — or lack thereof — that we hold as communities, nations, religions, and cultures — certainly to include sports and entertainment.

    Nonviolence and peaceful behavior must become overriding concerns in both education and public policy. Even deeper than these broad goals is a commitment to good will over ill will in response to conflict and challenge.

    For an exposition of proposed “Highest Civic Ideals” — and the practical virtues of good will in response to conflict — readers and listeners are encouraged to review the public offerings at http://www.STARALLIANCE.org.

    • Curious

      You know that Gandhi was a racist, right?

  • Livegreen

    Besides not covering the important issues of the last elections, the media is NOT covering core issues impacting the declining American working class (of all races & backgrounds). Namely Big Business using illegal immigrants to destroy working class unions in industries like Meat Packing & Poultry, and the U.S. government doing nothing about unfair & illegal trade with China.

    The media & NPR rarely, if ever, cover the lives of these average Americans. Of all races & backgrounds.

    When they voted for Trump they voted for a giant middle finger.

    • Noelle

      Yes, I can agree with you about the hiring of immigrants to break the meat packing unions. It’s a disgrace. and wages have remained stagnant for most workers in the US.

    • pastramiboy

      And are mostly screwing themselves while the republican political elite enrich themselves further.

  • David Adler

    Question: In CA we saw the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger, a celebrity with a history of violence, albeit as an actor.
    Will we always be driven to elect angry candidates? Is this the triumph of fast thinking over slow thinking–a spinal response to made-up problems that drive media and politics? It seems that as long as we can excite people into visceral reactions, we will be led by men like Trump.

    • Noelle

      Yes.

  • Jonathan Mandel

    All the complaints about how awful Trump is and how unfairly Hillary was treated are stepping over the one thing that would actually have made a difference in 2016 and that will make a difference in 2020: Trump had a compelling story and Hillary didn’t. The media went to where the story was. If Hillary had had a story, say, oh, I don’t know, first woman president, the press would have gone there. All the brilliant policy prescriptions in the world make no difference if you don’t have a compelling story to back them up.

    • Noelle

      On paper, she has the better story. Unfortunately, so many have a visceral distaste for her, and she’s been in the public eye for so many years and that did not help. Then of course, there’s the Electoral College. But if she didn’t run would “Hillary:The Movie” not have happened, thus, the Citizens United ruling would not have happened?? Alternative History Playhouse?

    • Bill_Woods

      She did run with “first woman president”; it proved to be less than compelling.

  • Socrates Q. Einstein

    It’s shocking to me how completely insane Dems still are, almost a year after the election. I had hopes for this interview, but this guy went full retard with all the rhetoric we are used to. I am like calmly waiting for Dems to wrap up this mental breakdown we have all been witnessing for 2.5 years now so we can go back to something resembling normal discourse.

  • Moritz

    Unfortunately, most radio stations in the US are right-wing talk radio formats. Thank you Reagan for getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine. Also Sinclair Broadcasting wants to expand and the FCC will probably say that’s just fine.

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Michael Krasny

Michael Krasny, PhD, has been in broadcast journalism since 1983. He was with ABC in both radio and television and migrated to public broadcasting in 1993. He has been Professor of English at San Francisco State University and also taught at Stanford, the University of San Francisco and the University of California, as well as in the Fulbright International Institutes. A veteran interviewer for the nationally broadcast City Arts and Lectures, he is the author of a number of books, including “Off Mike: A Memoir of Talk Radio and Literary Life” (Stanford University Press) “Spiritual Envy” (New World); “Sound Ideas” (with M.E. Sokolik/ McGraw-Hill); “Let There Be Laughter” (Harper-Collins) as well as the twenty-four lecture series in DVD, audio and book, “Short Story Masterpieces” (The Teaching Company). He has interviewed many of the world’s leading political, cultural, literary, science and technology figures, as well as major figures from the world of entertainment. He is the recipient of many awards and honors including the S.Y. Agnon Medal for Intellectual Achievement; The Eugene Block Award for Human Rights Journalism; the James Madison Freedom of Information Award; the Excellence in Journalism Award from the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association; Career Achievement Award from the Society of Professional Journalists and an award from the Radio and Television News Directors Association. He holds a B.A. (cum laude) and M.A. from Ohio University and a PhD from the University of Wisconsin.

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