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Amnesty International USA announced Friday that it will monitor the ongoing clashes between law enforcement and opponents of the $3.8 billion Dakota Access Pipeline, which would cross the Missouri river less than a mile from the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota. Amnesty’s move came one day after law enforcement attempted to force the protesters from their encampments, arresting 140 people. Thousands have come together to stop the 1,200-mile project on site, and solidarity protests have erupted in cities across the country, including here in San Francisco, where twelve protesters were arrested on Monday.

Guests:
Kevin Cramer, congressman representing North Dakota
Eric Ferrero, director of communications, Amnesty International USA
Ron His Horse is Thunder, former chairman for the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe
Lynda Mapes, environment reporter, The Seattle Times
Craig Stevens, spokesman for the Midwest Alliance for Infrastructure Now

  • Terry

    The descendants of Europeans stole the Dakotas’ land in the way the descendants of the Aztecs stole California.

  • Terry

    The Podesta emails prove that Citibank provided the list of people to hire for Obama’s cabinet and that included Eric Holder, which is why Mr Holder did not prosecute the criminal bankers. They gave him his job. He was always their Uncle Tom.

    That is what corruption looks like.

    • chriswinter

      Say, Terry — how about sticking to the topic under discussion?

      • Terry

        It’s all connected. The bankers back up big oil. Eric Holder should be stopping the abuse of indigenous people in the USA but he never will because he’s an uncle Tom.

    • William – SF

      That’s a very selective conclusion based on no evidence, and wrong.

      Do a little research and learn how difficult it is to prosecute bankers responsible for the 2008/09 financial collapse.

      • Terry

        Nope. Wrong. The evidence is in.

        Watch on YouTube: Kaiser report e986.

        • William – SF

          That’s not evidence, that’s a tirade on a select HSBC decision.

          http://www.corp-research.org/HSBC

          You’ll have to do a lot more heavy lifting on what actions are considered criminal by bankers than what you provided.

  • Sean Dennehy

    How much do these companies and the government actually care that some NGO is monitoring them? It’s not like anything can be done to stop them mistreating the protesters.

  • chriswinter

    Congressman Cramer tells us that one tribe refused to take part in consultations over sacred sites, and that many sites are being respected.

    Maybe I missed these details. Which tribe? Which sites?

  • Terry

    The big oil companies have polluted the heck out of Ecuador, Nigeria and many other places. Why should anyone think they will change their ways this time? “Sure baby I’ll change”.

    Meanwhile was not the army corps of engineers completely exposed for their corruption in New Orleans?

    If union reps have an inordinate love for big oil is that not Stockholm syndrome?

    Since when do allegedly plentiful good paying jobs justify anything? The Mafia also offers good paying jobs, as do human traffickers.

  • Noelle

    North Dakota is experiencing an oil bust, since prices went down after flooding the market with fracked oil. Why do they need this pipeline now?

    • Fielding Mellish

      The fracked oil wasn’t the cause of the market price of oil to decline, It was OPEC boosting production. The price to pump oil out of the ground(OPEC) is far cheaper than fracking it out of the ground. Flooding the market and lowering the $/barrel caused fracking to be infeasible. But time will tell on this strategy.

  • CSM

    Has anyone mentioned that DAPL was re-routed through Standing Rock because Bismarck’s residents feared their drinking water would be poisoned? The Sioux are literally being forced at gunpoint to accept the ecological risks that North Dakota’s white residents refused.

  • Ben Rawner

    What is the ultimate goal for the Standing Rock Group? Is it no pipeline at all?

  • Jon Latimer

    Re: pipeline safety…. headlines now reading: “Colonial Pipeline suffered its biggest gasoline spill in nearly two decades”
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pipeline-blast-alabama-idUSKBN12V2FC

  • Another Mike

    The safety comparison between an oil tank car and a pipeline is specious.
    When the Canadian-owned Enbridge pipeline broke near Michigan’s Kalamazoo River, a million gallons of tarsands oil escaped.
    But a rail tank car can hold only 33 thousand gallons max.

    So the pipeline break was the equivalent of 30 separate and individual tank cars rupturing and spilling their contents into the aquifer.

  • marte48

    The native American protesters have been faced with military force – not so the Bundy bunch.

  • yashca

    If the majority of people protesting were white this would be a non issue.

  • Another Mike

    I would say that water is more necessary to human life than oil, which is just one source of energy among many.

  • optikool

    Wasn’t there a pipeline explosion in Georgia this past weekend? Report says in will be some time before the fire is out…

    • Noelle

      Shelby County, Alabama.

      • optikool

        Yeah that was it…

  • Terry

    Aren’t the cops and guards trespassing? Doesn’t the Sioux tribe have its own police force to arrest the trespassing cops?

  • Haanieh R

    It’s ridiculous to mention lower price of oil as a benefit of the pipeline! Price of oil is currently low enough! and it’s time for all of us as Americans to be willing to even pay a little more in order to listen to and respect the wish of the indigenous people of Dakota! It’s all about corporate greed, let’s not kid ourselves!!!!

  • chriswinter

    Craig Stevens says he is not a lobbyist. Perhaps he should stop acting like one.

    • Noelle

      yeah, we need to fix our other infrastructures that we already have. And subsidize alternative energies.

  • Robert Thomas

    Few communities in North America could make a more profound statement against the exploitation of liquid and gaseous petroleum than could indigenous nations. All they need to do is refuse to allow the importation of propane, butane, kerosene, diesel fuel and gasoline on to their lands, either by means of large or small fuel tank or through any other means. Other nations would marvel and quake, at such resolve.

  • 1PeterDuMont2STARALLIANCE8

    Thanks to all parties and to Forum for conducting an excellent and illuminating discussion on an important event.

    One must say: the concluding demand of the protestors seems entirely reasonable: “If the pipeline is so safe, let it go through [the capital.]”

    Of course, the stand the Native Peoples are taking also brings attention to many larger more contextual and universal issues. If We, the People of Earth are to face down and handle many of the thorny problems that face us all; all sides must ultimately pull together in harmony toward overriding common goals

    And speaking of ultimates, the ultimate and largely unacknowledged, ongoing threat for decades is Nuclear Winter. Last night I read [from the Daily Mail] that “super-nukes” are being conceived and/or developed that could wipe out areas the size of France and Russia!

    What people don’t realize is that the whole world would go down if even a few (probably on the order of tens) modern-power nuclear bombs were actually used on big cities.The uncontrollable fires that would burn in addition to the initial blasts would spread soot throughout the Earth’s atmosphere and shadow our vital sunlight, sending temperatures plummeting down to stay worldwide. “Fire and Ice.” Unfortunately, the nightmare possibility is real. [Reference the work of climatologist Alan Robock et al.]

    If we don’t face this issue squarely and learn to harmonize on the global level, we won’t make it.

    As Martin Luther King, Jr. said: “We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”

    • Robert Thomas

      For about the last sixty years, ninety percent of nuclear weapon engineering has focused on making device yields lower. The highest yielding devices were the earliest ones. Making high-yield devices is relatively easy.

      The novelty of the Russian RS-28 Sarmat is the large size and novel countermeasures claimed for the delivery vehicle, thought to be able to MIRV around ten heavy (existing) warheads. That’s a lot of punch, for a single vehicle with presumably improved survivability. The chief value of this to the Russian arsenal is cost savings, followed closely by its propaganda usefulness.

      • 1PeterDuMont2STARALLIANCE8

        Thanks for this information.

  • Sylvia Walker

    Are these the violent outside agitators that were being talked about? United Church of Christ, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Lutheran
    ministers support Standing Rock in rejecting DAPL near their homes and water supply.
    http://www.ucc.org/news_faith_leaders_to_converge_at_standing_rock_against_dakota_access_pipeline_09072016

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Michael Krasny, PhD, has been in broadcast journalism since 1983. He was with ABC in both radio and television and migrated to public broadcasting in 1993. He has been Professor of English at San Francisco State University and also taught at Stanford, the University of San Francisco and the University of California, as well as in the Fulbright International Institutes. A veteran interviewer for the nationally broadcast City Arts and Lectures, he is the author of a number of books, including “Off Mike: A Memoir of Talk Radio and Literary Life” (Stanford University Press) “Spiritual Envy” (New World); “Sound Ideas” (with M.E. Sokolik/ McGraw-Hill); “Let There Be Laughter” (Harper-Collins) as well as the twenty-four lecture series in DVD, audio and book, “Short Story Masterpieces” (The Teaching Company). He has interviewed many of the world’s leading political, cultural, literary, science and technology figures, as well as major figures from the world of entertainment. He is the recipient of many awards and honors including the S.Y. Agnon Medal for Intellectual Achievement; The Eugene Block Award for Human Rights Journalism; the James Madison Freedom of Information Award; the Excellence in Journalism Award from the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association; Career Achievement Award from the Society of Professional Journalists and an award from the Radio and Television News Directors Association. He holds a B.A. (cum laude) and M.A. from Ohio University and a PhD from the University of Wisconsin.

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