Donald Trump

It was a big night for Democrat Bernie Sanders and Republican Donald Trump, who both won with double-digit leads over their opponents. We’ll break down the results of Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary and discuss what they mean for the upcoming primaries.

Guests:
Joe Garofoli, senior political writer, San Francisco Chronicle
Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor and publisher, The Nation magazine
Matthew Continetti, editor, Washington Free Beacon
David Frum, senior editor, The Atlantic

  • Drago

    My first choice, Bernie. He’s the safest radical option.
    My second choice, Trump. He’s the wildest radical option.
    Either the USA fixes itself radically or we’re done.
    Economically and politically we are a banana republic.

    • kpwn

      Trump is of the oligarchy.

  • EIDALM

    The results of the election in New Hampshire on the Republican that gives the fear monger , hate monger ,shady character ,perpetual bankrupt ,sleazy Donald Trump gets the majority vote is the result of the U S and the American media bogus war on terror that are used by the ruling elite including the Wall Street and the military industrial complex to continue the robbery of the American people and engage into perpetual genocidal wars in the middle east and elsewhere ,…While they are robing the American people blind ,they put the blame on the poor immigrants and the action of few and far in between terrorists ,to put the blame on 1600 million Muslim people across the world…..The rise of Scum fear monger like trump have lots in similarity to the rise of Adolph Hitler in Germany early last century ,where fear was used to manuipilate the German people and put the blame of the country problems on innocent groups including Jewish people .and with that the German people followed a mad man that lead to the destruction of their country and the death of tens of millions of Jews ,Russians ,Germans ,English ,Americans ,French ,and others….Are we seeing history repeating itself.

    • marte48

      Hitler analogies are always hyperbole.

      • kpwn

        “that Adolf Hitler was just like Hitler!”
        The truth is that t’rumps approval of mob violence is one small step preceding historical brownshirt activity.

  • EIDALM

    Hilary Clinton is sweetheart of the Wall Street and the Neocons regime change in the middle east ,she played a major part into the bogus uprising in Libya to kill Kaddafe ,and she also financed and supplied arms to Anti Assad terrorists in Syria ,that lead to the rise of ISIL in Syria that destroyed the great country Syria was ,and both Libya and Syria are failed states,,,.,

    • Mason Gibb

      Ede, Don’t forget the mess the then-serving Sec. Clinton and her chief of staff made of the 2010-2011 Haitian election cycle:
      “As Haitians prepared to go to the polls in 2010, 45 members of the U.S. Congress wrote to then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, warning that supporting such a flawed process “will come back to haunt the international community.” Five years later, as Haiti finds itself embroiled in another electoral crisis, the lasting impact of the 2010 election is clear for all to see.”
      http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/The-Past-is-Prologue-with-Haitis-Elections-20151231-0032.html

      • marte48

        Hillary never should have been Secretary of State. I am hoping that Pres. Sanders nominates her for Supreme Court.

  • EIDALM

    The real fact is the only decent presidential candidate is Bernie Sander ,but unless the American people stand by him and reject the control of the corporate media ,Wall Street ,and the fear mongers across the land ,he will have little chance to win the presidency.

    • marte48

      I am sure that Wall Street is digging up all the dirt they can on Bernie.

      • EIDALM

        Totally right ,they already started and in this show ,you have one of their agent warmonger Neocon David Ferum ,who as GW Bush speech writer wrote the AXIS OF EVIL speech that initiated the genocidal war on Iraq based on lies ,almost took us into nuclear war with Iran , and sped up North Korea production of nuclear bombs to protect their ass ,and now they are laughing at us ,blowing nuclear bombs right in our face ,and we can not do anything about it ,also the Weekly Standard is owned by William Kristol who is the head Neocon who wrote the Project for New American Century ,which promote genocidal wars and regime change against all countries in the middle east…..And why did Krasny brought this awful bloody warmonger people who caused the death of over one million people in Iraq and elsewhere on the show this morning ,well you know the answer….

  • Ben Rawner

    Lately I have seen more attack ads against Sanders calling on his history on the veterans committee. Even the NY Times ran an article. Is this something Sanders should worry about?

    • Sean

      This article provides some background on the attack and I would say is further supported by the military contracting industry.
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/10/democrats-claims-that-a-koch-backed-group-wants-to-privatize-the-va/

    • optikool

      If Sanders was really serious about getting money out of politics, he would tell those SuperPacs running ads on his behalf to stop, or make a public statement that he is distancing himself from them. But will he???

      • Mason Gibb

        Sanders campaign in fact filed a cease-and-desist order against this:
        https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2393712/bernie-sanders-campaign-letters-to-cary-lee.pdf
        Trump’s campaign also had to shut down unaffiliated superPACs. There are no rules on who can form an unaffiliated superPAC, so campaigns have to play catch-up after they are formed.

        • optikool

          Do you have one for National Nurses United Union that appeared with him at a rally and spent over a million on his campaign? Where is that cease-and-desist letter?

          • Mason Gibb

            HAHAHA, a union endorsement? No, he’s not going to turn that down.
            Big difference between a superPAC and union donations.

          • optikool

            I see…

          • Mason Gibb

            superPAC = unreported dark money, sources are not reported to FEC; a recent corporate formation, made possible following two court rulings on campaign fundraising
            union contributions = reported to the FEC; historically unions have been major donors to Democratic Party and candidates

          • optikool

            Either way, his statement about taking only an average of 27 dollars from contributors is false.

          • Mason Gibb

            think he’s been pretty plain in saying the average individual contribution is 27 bucks. he’s raised more money from small donors than obama, or any candidate ever. why the hate?

          • optikool

            He also suggested that it would be hard to believe people taking large sums of money from organizations aren’t influenced… hmmm…

          • Mason Gibb

            yes, he proudly talks about how he is fighting for nurses and union members.
            he is not fighting for superPAC donors or Wall Street donors.

          • optikool

            Well at least he admitted it, while not on the stump…

          • Mason Gibb

            he talks about fighting for union members and nurses all the time! this is part of his stump speech, and i think he mentioned nurses and teachers in his victory speech. you think any democrat anywhere gets a million bucks from a nurses union and doesn’t mention it in their stump speech? that’s bragging rights in a democratic primary.
            are you a republican? do you not understand the historical relationship with the democratic party and unions/union members?

          • optikool

            Nope, I did not hear that he got millions of dollars from the Nurses union. I only heard he got on average 27 dollars from average people… sooooo unions have influence too. But that was a quick 2 minute google search. I’m sure I could find more if I tried.

          • Mason Gibb

            Instead of doing the random 2 minute google search, I recommend you begin reading some of the major newspapers: NYT, Washington Post, London Financial Times, Wall Street Journal. Sanders isn’t trying to hide much about his fundraising, but it isn’t like it is scrutinized. It is such a tiny proportion of the “big” money in politics, that it is barely worth mentioning.
            For example:
            “While the vast majority of super PAC money still comes from wealthy individuals, union cash — pooled from the dues and contributions of members — has become a critical source of money for outside groups on the left. In 2012 and 2014, unions gave more than $200 million to super PACs.”
            2016 cycle: “When most large labor organizations backed Mrs. Clinton, the nurses were among a handful to support Mr. Sanders, among them the Communications Workers of America and the postal workers’ union.”
            “At any given time, as many as 30 nurses from around the country are on the campaign trail helping Mr. Sanders, rotating in on vacation days and weekends.” (NYT)
            I don’t think the Wall Street superPACs are having as many as 30 Wall Street executives follow Clinton around.

          • optikool

            What a coincidence, while doing that google search, I ended up on NYT. Imagine that. But I see what you’re thinking is. As long as you agree with the organization, it’s okay to take their money. Seems hypocritical to me, but hey! Anyway you can spin it into acceptance, more power to you.

          • Mason Gibb

            you drank the opti-koolaid

          • optikool

            LOL that’s you’re response? Please say something more clever and stop trying to regurgitate what you read on another blog…

          • kpwn

            Soon you’ll criticize $20 donors for being members of the organization of members who each donated $20.
            You are trying to dodge the obvious distinction.

          • optikool

            Yes I would call out donors that are part of an organization the funds a politicians campaign with 20 dollar donations. I would not criticize donors that went to Sanders website and makes a 20 dollar donation. Theres a difference. And it sounds to me like you are trying to dodge the obvious influence.

          • kpwn

            Also, obviously, employee union members are not elitist plutocrats. Employee union members are people who actually work for a living.
            Plutocrats rely on government handouts, and on private handouts coerced by law.

    • Sean

      The military news outlet, the Stars and Stripes also calls out the Koch backed CVA for its false representation of veterans interests: “In the thick of this is Concerned Veterans for America, posing as a vet advocacy group and being rewarded for it. CVA press releases usually are partisan attacks. Its spokesman, Pete Hegseth, an Iraq war vet and Republican who ran for a U.S. Senate in 2012, is quoted often by major news outlets without mention of press reports associating CVA with the Koch brothers, libertarian billionaires who create public interest groups to oppose big government. That’s fine. That’s protected speech. A CVA spokesman told me last year it won’t reveal donor information. ”
      http://www.stripes.com/opinion/vets-should-be-wary-of-cva-pitchforks-and-torches-1.284769

    • marte48

      What has the republican congress done for veterans but give lip service to their sacrifices?

      • kpwn

        the GOP has started wars. Halliburton creates jobs! why do you not give them credit for that?
        /s

  • Mason Gibb

    For what African-American endorsements may predict, Bernie Sanders is now endorsed by Cornell West, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and Ben Jealous (former NAACP head).

  • Bernie Sanders is strong on foreign policy Look at Bernie Sanders record, he is on the right side of history. Do we want a new Cold War, because that is where Hillary Clinton’s policies will take us…never mind anyone on the right. Finally candidate that will pick up where Jimmy Carter left off!

  • Another Mike

    I was surprised yesterday to hear npr quote so many people excusing HRC’s lackluster performance in New Hampshire, explaining that she would do much better in the South, Midwest, etc., so that New Hampshire didn’t really matter.

    • I am very tired of NPR and their foxnewsisms. If they want to endorse Hillary Clinton they should just come out and say so. Their current MO is disingenuous at best. If you listen to them they are clearly endorsing Hillary and Trump.

    • marte48

      I agree. I was wondering when NPR was going to wake up to Bernie Sanders.

  • Kevin Egan

    I like Hillary a lot, and I support her; but my head tells me the best outcome would be a Democratic loss in 2016 (very likely if Bernie is the nominee, quite possible if she is), which would lead to 4 years of horrible Republican misgovernment leading to a landslide for Elizabeth Warren and Democratic redistricting in 2020. Thoughts on that scenario?

    • Another Mike

      A Republican President combined with a Republican Congress could do untold damage to our country. Obama’s chief role over the past five years has been to be the goalie keeping Republicans’ bills from reaching the net.

    • marte48

      Elizabeth Warren for Supreme Court justice.

    • kpwn

      Democratic representation will not be peacefully recoverable after even only 4 weeks of oligarchic control of all 3 branches.

  • Kevin Egan

    PS: the best defense of Hillary’s politics: Garry Wills’ 1978 essay “Politicians.” Must reading for all Americans!

  • Another Mike

    My fear of Socialists seizing the means of production dissipated once I realized that everything I saw in stores was made in Communist China.

    • marte48

      corporations drive good jobs offshore to maximize profits. They have no patriotism.

  • Mason Gibb

    Read about how Hillary Clinton’s organization strong-armed The Atlantic to provide the coverage it wanted in exchange for access. Published yesterday:
    http://gawker.com/this-is-how-hillary-clinton-gets-the-coverage-she-wants-1758019058
    I’m no reader of gawker, but this report is based on Freedom of Information Act releases between Clinton’s spokesperson and The Altantic

  • optikool

    Isn’t Sanders and Independent Socialist? Why does your caller that endorsed him call him a Democratic Socialist? He himself has said he’s not a Democrat. He should be labeled as is and not try to fool people into believing he is a Democrat just because he sometimes sides with Democrats. As an Independent myself, it seems to me he’s using a party that’s not his, for his own means.

    • marte48

      Donald Trump is not a republican, either.

      • optikool

        Nope he is not… But republicans don’t want to fund the rebuilding of our education system, so one shouldn’t be surprised that they swallowed everything Trump has fed them.

    • Chris OConnell

      Fyi, the “Democratic” in Democratic Socialism has nothing to do with the Democratic party.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

      • optikool

        But the confusion is still there, especially with low information voters. Calling him an Independent Socialist would be more clear.

        • Chris OConnell

          Well then he fosters that confusion, which may be your point because that’s what he calls himself. But he is attaching himself to a long tradition so it makes perfect sense to identify that tradition by its proper, traditional label. And it doesn’t make sense to come up with a new label.

          (It feels like I am talking to a paid representative so I will stop now.)

          • optikool

            Then Hillary should go out of her way to point that out. And people come up with new labels all the time… just look at Frenemy…

  • marte48

    I have not heard one mention of the 99% movement.

    • Pontifikate

      You mean “The Occupy Movement”, I think.

  • optikool

    I think the reason why African Americans are endorsing Hillary over Sanders is because Hillary’s proposals are more realistic, and they don’t want to spend the first 2 years going to single payer and then then next 6 doing nothing because Republicans regain the House and Senate as well as young people not show up to vote after 2016. She is just more experienced and Sanders only has one policy which he plans to implement by taxing speculations, which isn’t that our mutual funds he would be taxing?

    • Mason Gibb

      Bernie Sanders is now endorsed by Cornell West, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and Ben Jealous (former NAACP head).

      • optikool

        Good for him… that means nothing to me and I’m African American myself.

        • Mason Gibb

          Why are you speaking on behalf of all african americans?

          • optikool

            I’m speaking for myself, a person that happens to be African American… is that to much for you?

          • Mason Gibb

            “I think the reason why African Americans…”
            Seems like you’re speaking for a large body of people. You are not speaking for the three black community leaders I named that endorse Sanders.

          • ldemelis

            My understanding is the Cornell West is pretty unpopular in the African-American community right now because of his criticisms of Obama, which strike many as unfair.

          • Mason Gibb

            HA! I’m guessing you didn’t hear that one in church. West is immensely popular.

          • optikool

            Why do you assume all people go to church just because you do?

          • Mason Gibb

            I haven’t been in church for a decade. I do know how popular he is among the black Christian community.

          • optikool

            Then why did you bring it up?

          • Mason Gibb

            The size of the black church-going electorate is large proportion of the black electorate. Cornell West strongly identifies as a black Christian revolutionary. So West’s endorsement of Sanders has a receptive audience in large parts of that community.
            I have never read or heard about the black community having problems with Mr. West.

          • optikool

            That assumes, African Americans are as dedicated to Cornell West views as you are. I’m not, and another poster has already responded to you about how African Americans feel about him. I also don’t like some of the arguments he had about Obama, because that told me, he had a narrow minded view about what Obama could and couldn’t do with this congress.

          • Another Mike

            Black churchmen are traditional leaders of the black community.
            Clayton Powell, Ralph Abernathy, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, MLK, et al.

          • optikool

            And so what you are saying is because they are leaders in the black community, we should follow them?

          • optikool

            Everybody else gets to speak about their reasons why African Americans made their choice, why can’t I. Is it disturbing to you that I did that?

          • Mason Gibb

            No, it is just slightly strange that you begin talking about why African American feel the way they do about Sanders, when there is obviously more diversity in opinion than you present

          • optikool

            I was responding to what they were talking about on NPR in real time. I take it you are not doing that?

    • Another Mike

      Let’s ask some of those African-Americans to articulate any three Hillary proposals,

      • optikool

        She want’s to build on the ACA and make it affordable as well as get more people into the system. She want’s to continue pressing Iran for getting rid of their Nuclear program and going after them for other things they are doing in the region. She also want’s advance woman rights and use the powers already in place to break up the banks. That’s four.

        • Mason Gibb

          you drank the opti-koolaid.

          • optikool

            Oh wow did you come up with that all by yourself or did you need help? Where did I hear that saying before.. I wonder… But you thinking Bernie can bring all the reforms he has talked about so far by just taxing speculations is beyond drinking the koolaid. Perhaps you steamed it, collected the resin shot up with it.

          • kpwn

            steamed.. resin… , must patent the process! “as seen on TV! koolaid-shine! Operators are standing by because we’re so fly by night, we have no time to sit down.”

          • optikool

            Sound like you know something about it… enlighten us.

        • kpwn

          She wants to continue pressing Iran for getting rid of their Nuclear program and going after them for other things they are doing in the region.
          All presidents would continue to be wary of Iran (and many other authoritarian nations, excluding the politically correct authoritarians.)

          She also want’s advance woman rights
          What democrat wouldn’t?

          and use the powers already in place to break up the banks.
          But will Clinton be as (un?) aggressive as Obama has been. I recall that Holder nailed some banksters after Obama’s 2012 reelection. That tactical timing confirmed banksters’ power, rather than confirming Obama’s purported genuine fealty to banksters.

          Warren has proven anti-corruption aggressiveness.

          • optikool

            I fail to see your point. Are you talking about Obama or Hillary? I’m sure she would be as aggressive as Congress allows her to be. If Bernie is the nominee, well then he has to depend on an undependable group of people, young voters, to help him push his agenda through. I say again… not very realistic.

  • Sean Dennehy

    One wonders what kind of Supreme Court nominees Trump would nominate.

    • ldemelis

      Won’t be good.

    • Captain Nitpick

      “I will find the greatest minds to be on the court. They will be the most just justices in the history of America, believe me.”

      Not really a quote, but could be.

  • Chris OConnell

    Although I can’t imagine him winning the Presidency, I also couldn’t imagine his success to date. The fact is, despite his xenophobia and direct appeals to racism, Trump would be the least dangerous Republican. He may not even have Republican allies in Congress. He may have Democratic ones. He is not immersed in conservative, Republican policies. And most of his reprehensible positions are in line with all the other Republicans.

    Meanwhile, he has called for protecting Medicare, Medicaid and for a massive infrastructure program. He has labelled our invasion of Iraq as a crime against humanity. You ain’t gonna get that from the other Repubs.

  • Another Mike

    When it comes to Congress, Sanders will start with the position he wants, not merely advance what he feels Congress will find palatable as Obama always did. No more precompromising.

  • Robert Thomas

    The affinity that Mr Trump and Senator Sanders share isn’t their anti-establishment “stick-it-to-the-man” determination. It’s the question who, were either to be elected, will have been selected to serve out the remaining three years and nine months of the term once boredom or aneurysm has claimed the life of the principal.

    • Another Mike

      The five year age gap between Sanders and Clinton means she is the youth movement?

      • Robert Thomas

        My observation has little to do with age.

        • Another Mike

          Hillary has suffered thromboses in her brain, supposedly. Not sure about Sanders’ health record.

          • Robert Thomas

            Faced with the eleven-hour fake Benghazi scandal hearing recently sloughed off by Secretary Clinton, Senator Sanders would have emerged resembling a pile of smoldering gristle – his combustion having been fueled by his own outrage.

    • kpwn

      according to the MSM, reagan ‘delegated’…

  • marte48

    The republican congress spent the last 8 years blaming Obama for Bush’s mistakes and disastrous foreign policies. Neither Wall Street nor the big banks nor corporate America cared, as long as the finger of blame was pointed away from them. We are still feeling the results.

  • De Blo

    Trump is obviously a ridiculous and unqualified candidate. However, he is right about two items. First, we do need to deport all 11 million illegal aliens and close our unrestricted open borders. Second, we do need to get rid of political correctness. It is insane and destructive to our national discourse.

    • kpwn

      need to get rid of political correctness
      That won’t ever happen… by 1a speech rights, at least. But dittoheads/teaple are led by PC, so PC is the MSM’s most efficient tool.

      T’rump wouldn’t have lasted past July 2015 if he wasn’t relying on pure political correctness.

  • Chris OConnell

    I am glad Trump won. The Republicans are cracking up as a party right before our eyes. And it is making me crack up. Now, of course, given the Dems, it is possible the Republicans will win in November and that wouldn’t be too funny.

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