Mare's Milk For Health? Europeans Look To Horses For Ancient Remedy
Looking Into The Horse Milk Story That The Dalai Lama Told John Oliver
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In Europe today, mare's milk remains a niche product, but its reputation as a health elixir is causing trouble for producers in a more regulated age.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That includes dairy farms like Lindenhof Stud, located in the lush countryside of Brandenburg, Germany, a 45-minute train ride outside Berlin. The elegant bays, grays and chestnuts that wander over to nibble at my pockets are pedigreed sports mares. And their milk is consumed not just by their foals, but by humans. \"We couldn't start our own business 'til socialism ended,\" Lindenhof's owner, Siegfried Dörge, says. \"And then in 1991 we bought mares to breed and to milk.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hand-milking the 10 mares takes him just half an hour a day and provides another income stream to supplement boarding, riding holidays and sales of the farm's award-winning horses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Each mare gives about a liter of spare milk a day and will only lactate when her offspring is at her side, so the foal stays with his mother until he's naturally weaned. The milk is flash-frozen in quarter-liter packs at minus 22\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>degrees Fahrenheit and sold either direct from the farm or via organic grocery stores. It is high in vitamin C and iron but low in fat, with levels of lactose and casein that are closer to human breast milk than cow. There was no milk for me to taste yet when I visited, but fans say it has a sweet, slightly nutty flavor, like almond milk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are only about 30 mare's milk producers in Germany and more scattered across Europe, chiefly in the Netherlands, Belgium and France, although few countries have national associations and there is no pan-European organization. Dörge follows the same German regulations for producing certified raw mare's milk as he does for raw milk from cows, goats and sheep, and he constantly tests for impurities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His vigilance makes the milk pricey at nearly 10 euros (or nearly $12) a liter, but he has regular customers who come from as far as Hannover, some two hours away\u003cstrong>, \u003c/strong>to stock up. Often the clients take mare's milk to relieve skin or digestive problems. Peer-reviewed papers suggest mare's milk can objectively \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19462320\">improve atopic dermatitis or eczema\u003c/a>. A few studies in rats suggest that koumiss \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22558569\">reduces mercury toxicity\u003c/a> and that plain mare's milk enhanced \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10392421\">rats' immune responsiveness\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>But no one has yet been able to pinpoint any anti-inflammatory effect on the human digestive system, despite the enthusiastic reviews from customers on some producers' websites. Siegfried Dörge has one customer who has been purchasing mare's milk from him for 20 years. \"If he stops drinking it,\" Dörge says, \"he gets terrible eczema once again.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If I could promote mare's milk as a medicinal product, I would probably sell three times as much,\" Dörge tells me, but EU regulations forbid all food producers from making curative claims. He isn't even allowed to link to the relevant studies on mare's milk from his website.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are at the eye of a hurricane,\" says Julie Decayeux. She's the only European producer selling fresh pasteurized mare's milk, and she also exports powdered milk around the world. The Belgian farmer established an equine dairy called Chevalait in Normandy, France, in 2003 to preserve the local draft horse breed, the Percheron, and is now one of the largest producers in Europe, with 200 mares.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"After the [Second World] War, with the Marshall Plan, French farmers bought tractors and sold their horses,\" Decayeux says. \"Now there are nine draft horse breeds left in France and they are very fragile. At Chevalait we put the horses first. We're not here to make money from the horses. We are here to breed good Percherons, and the only way for that to work financially is the milk.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In any case, she adds, if you do not respect the horses, they will not produce much milk: \"They are not genetically programmed to produce milk like a cow. You need a relationship with them for them to share their milk with you.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At first, mare's milk was a hard sell, and Decayeux had to attend agricultural fairs and salons every weekend to publicize it. But then word spread and Chevalait built a market for itself. She weaned her two youngest sons on mare's milk, and uses it to cook everything from béchamel sauce to chia pudding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Decayeux estimates that some 40 percent of Chevalait's customers are dealing with skin conditions like psoriasis or eczema or inflammatory bowel problems like Crohn's disease, but 60 percent are parents feeding babies with allergies to cows' milk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But while peer-reviewed studies suggest that mare's milk can be a \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10808187\">safe substitute\u003c/a> for most children with allergies to cow's milk, Chevalait can't make this a selling point, either. Under another EU regulation, food producers can only make nutritional claims about their products if those claims have been confirmed by the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), which researches scientific claims and independently advises the EU.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Decayeux says she recently received a letter from French officials \"telling me that I must remove any wording from our website that says mare's milk is the closest milk to breast milk, or else the site will be shut down.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mare's milk producers want to see more scientific studies into the potential medical benefits of their product, but that kind of research is costly, Rainer Schubert, chairman of the German Association of Mare's Milk Producers and a retired lecturer in human physiology and nutritional medicine, wrote in an email. He calculated that any formal, rigorous medical study would cost some €350,000 [$412,000], and there's no big European mare's milk industry to underwrite the expense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's more science already available to support the nutritional case for mare's milk as a breast milk substitute — but Decayeux needs to jump more regulatory hurdles before she can legally make those claims. The farmer is unbowed. In April, Chevalait had a visit from the regional president of Normandy, France, Hervé Morin, who wants to help save the Percheron from extinction. \u003ca href=\"#_msocom_2\"> \u003c/a>In June, Decayeux spoke about mare's milk for babies at a European Horse Network working group at the European Parliament in Brussels. The Horse Council of Normandy will present a dossier concerning the nutritional properties of mare's milk to the EFSA for validation. But she says it will take two to three years for producers to get official approval to market mare's milk for infants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the delay, the tiny industry seems poised for change. In March 2017 the European Parliament voted to formulate guidelines for standards and inspections at European horse and donkey dairies, a move that Schubert thinks will help. \"It could lead to an increase in awareness of mare's milk and in sales,\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And Julie Decayeux remains an undaunted evangelist. \"I am 52 now and this is hard work, so we are looking for partners to develop the market,\" she laughs. \"We're asking people all over the world to think about opening mare's milk farms — in America, in South America, in Africa. Why not?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cem> Susanna Forrest is the author of \u003c/em>The Age of the Horse: An Equine Journey Through Human History. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2018 \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003c/em> \u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Chekhov and Tolstoy swore by its curative powers. While mare's milk remains a niche product, its reputation as a health elixir is causing trouble for European producers in a more regulated age.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1531408415,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":24,"wordCount":1357},"headData":{"title":"Mare's Milk For Health? Europeans Look To Horses For Ancient Remedy | KQED","description":"Chekhov and Tolstoy swore by its curative powers. While mare's milk remains a niche product, its reputation as a health elixir is causing trouble for European producers in a more regulated age.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Mare's Milk For Health? Europeans Look To Horses For Ancient Remedy","datePublished":"2018-07-12T15:13:35.000Z","dateModified":"2018-07-12T15:13:35.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"129408 https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/?p=129408","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2018/07/12/mares-milk-for-health-europeans-look-to-horses-for-ancient-remedy/","disqusTitle":"Mare's Milk For Health? Europeans Look To Horses For Ancient Remedy","nprImageCredit":"Susanna Forrest","nprByline":"Susanna Forrest, NPR Food","nprImageAgency":"for NPR","nprStoryId":"627454097","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=627454097&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/07/12/627454097/mares-milk-for-health-europeans-look-to-horses-for-ancient-remedy?ft=nprml&f=627454097","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:02:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:02:48 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:02:48 -0400","path":"/bayareabites/129408/mares-milk-for-health-europeans-look-to-horses-for-ancient-remedy","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Goat's milk. Sheep's milk. Soy milk. Almond milk. The grocery store shelves these days are filled with alternatives to dairy from cows. But in Europe, interest is growing in milk from a surprising source: horses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the idea of sipping mare's milk might sound unusual to Western readers, it's been a traditional staple in Central Asia, where it is often fermented into \"koumiss,\" a mildly alcoholic drink that was adopted by Russian doctors in the mid-19th century as a treatment for tuberculosis. Patients no less illustrious than the writers Anton Chekhov and Leo Tolstoy swore by its curative powers. In Europe today, mare's milk remains a niche product, but its reputation as a health elixir is causing trouble for producers in a more regulated age.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That includes dairy farms like Lindenhof Stud, located in the lush countryside of Brandenburg, Germany, a 45-minute train ride outside Berlin. The elegant bays, grays and chestnuts that wander over to nibble at my pockets are pedigreed sports mares. And their milk is consumed not just by their foals, but by humans. \"We couldn't start our own business 'til socialism ended,\" Lindenhof's owner, Siegfried Dörge, says. \"And then in 1991 we bought mares to breed and to milk.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hand-milking the 10 mares takes him just half an hour a day and provides another income stream to supplement boarding, riding holidays and sales of the farm's award-winning horses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Each mare gives about a liter of spare milk a day and will only lactate when her offspring is at her side, so the foal stays with his mother until he's naturally weaned. The milk is flash-frozen in quarter-liter packs at minus 22\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>degrees Fahrenheit and sold either direct from the farm or via organic grocery stores. It is high in vitamin C and iron but low in fat, with levels of lactose and casein that are closer to human breast milk than cow. There was no milk for me to taste yet when I visited, but fans say it has a sweet, slightly nutty flavor, like almond milk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are only about 30 mare's milk producers in Germany and more scattered across Europe, chiefly in the Netherlands, Belgium and France, although few countries have national associations and there is no pan-European organization. Dörge follows the same German regulations for producing certified raw mare's milk as he does for raw milk from cows, goats and sheep, and he constantly tests for impurities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His vigilance makes the milk pricey at nearly 10 euros (or nearly $12) a liter, but he has regular customers who come from as far as Hannover, some two hours away\u003cstrong>, \u003c/strong>to stock up. Often the clients take mare's milk to relieve skin or digestive problems. Peer-reviewed papers suggest mare's milk can objectively \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19462320\">improve atopic dermatitis or eczema\u003c/a>. A few studies in rats suggest that koumiss \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22558569\">reduces mercury toxicity\u003c/a> and that plain mare's milk enhanced \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10392421\">rats' immune responsiveness\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>But no one has yet been able to pinpoint any anti-inflammatory effect on the human digestive system, despite the enthusiastic reviews from customers on some producers' websites. Siegfried Dörge has one customer who has been purchasing mare's milk from him for 20 years. \"If he stops drinking it,\" Dörge says, \"he gets terrible eczema once again.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If I could promote mare's milk as a medicinal product, I would probably sell three times as much,\" Dörge tells me, but EU regulations forbid all food producers from making curative claims. He isn't even allowed to link to the relevant studies on mare's milk from his website.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are at the eye of a hurricane,\" says Julie Decayeux. She's the only European producer selling fresh pasteurized mare's milk, and she also exports powdered milk around the world. The Belgian farmer established an equine dairy called Chevalait in Normandy, France, in 2003 to preserve the local draft horse breed, the Percheron, and is now one of the largest producers in Europe, with 200 mares.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"After the [Second World] War, with the Marshall Plan, French farmers bought tractors and sold their horses,\" Decayeux says. \"Now there are nine draft horse breeds left in France and they are very fragile. At Chevalait we put the horses first. We're not here to make money from the horses. We are here to breed good Percherons, and the only way for that to work financially is the milk.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In any case, she adds, if you do not respect the horses, they will not produce much milk: \"They are not genetically programmed to produce milk like a cow. You need a relationship with them for them to share their milk with you.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At first, mare's milk was a hard sell, and Decayeux had to attend agricultural fairs and salons every weekend to publicize it. But then word spread and Chevalait built a market for itself. She weaned her two youngest sons on mare's milk, and uses it to cook everything from béchamel sauce to chia pudding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Decayeux estimates that some 40 percent of Chevalait's customers are dealing with skin conditions like psoriasis or eczema or inflammatory bowel problems like Crohn's disease, but 60 percent are parents feeding babies with allergies to cows' milk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But while peer-reviewed studies suggest that mare's milk can be a \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10808187\">safe substitute\u003c/a> for most children with allergies to cow's milk, Chevalait can't make this a selling point, either. Under another EU regulation, food producers can only make nutritional claims about their products if those claims have been confirmed by the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), which researches scientific claims and independently advises the EU.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Decayeux says she recently received a letter from French officials \"telling me that I must remove any wording from our website that says mare's milk is the closest milk to breast milk, or else the site will be shut down.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mare's milk producers want to see more scientific studies into the potential medical benefits of their product, but that kind of research is costly, Rainer Schubert, chairman of the German Association of Mare's Milk Producers and a retired lecturer in human physiology and nutritional medicine, wrote in an email. He calculated that any formal, rigorous medical study would cost some €350,000 [$412,000], and there's no big European mare's milk industry to underwrite the expense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's more science already available to support the nutritional case for mare's milk as a breast milk substitute — but Decayeux needs to jump more regulatory hurdles before she can legally make those claims. The farmer is unbowed. In April, Chevalait had a visit from the regional president of Normandy, France, Hervé Morin, who wants to help save the Percheron from extinction. \u003ca href=\"#_msocom_2\"> \u003c/a>In June, Decayeux spoke about mare's milk for babies at a European Horse Network working group at the European Parliament in Brussels. The Horse Council of Normandy will present a dossier concerning the nutritional properties of mare's milk to the EFSA for validation. But she says it will take two to three years for producers to get official approval to market mare's milk for infants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the delay, the tiny industry seems poised for change. In March 2017 the European Parliament voted to formulate guidelines for standards and inspections at European horse and donkey dairies, a move that Schubert thinks will help. \"It could lead to an increase in awareness of mare's milk and in sales,\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And Julie Decayeux remains an undaunted evangelist. \"I am 52 now and this is hard work, so we are looking for partners to develop the market,\" she laughs. \"We're asking people all over the world to think about opening mare's milk farms — in America, in South America, in Africa. Why not?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cem> Susanna Forrest is the author of \u003c/em>The Age of the Horse: An Equine Journey Through Human History. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2018 \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003c/em> \u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/bayareabites/129408/mares-milk-for-health-europeans-look-to-horses-for-ancient-remedy","authors":["byline_bayareabites_129408"],"categories":["bayareabites_13306","bayareabites_1874","bayareabites_11028","bayareabites_10028","bayareabites_4084","bayareabites_1245","bayareabites_358"],"tags":["bayareabites_15778","bayareabites_16207","bayareabites_1621"],"featImg":"bayareabites_129409","label":"bayareabites"},"bayareabites_115816":{"type":"posts","id":"bayareabites_115816","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"bayareabites","id":"115816","score":null,"sort":[1489090713000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"looking-into-the-horse-milk-story-that-the-dalai-lama-told-john-oliver","title":"Looking Into The Horse Milk Story That The Dalai Lama Told John Oliver","publishDate":1489090713,"format":"video","headTitle":"Bay Area Bites | KQED Food","labelTerm":{"site":"bayareabites"},"content":"\u003cp>Like so many countries from the former Soviet bloc, Mongolia faced a terrible economic upheaval at the end of the Soviet Union. In the first few years, inflation went up over 250 percent; employment went down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And people started drinking much more heavily. \"Alcoholism was devastating during the economic hardships of the '90s,\" writes Jargalsaikhan Mendee, a political scientist and former Mongolian defense attaché to the United States, in an email to Goats and Soda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_115817\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-1020x765.jpg\" alt=\"The Dalai Lama has a conversation with John Oliver — and fermented horse milk comes up.\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" class=\"size-large wp-image-115817\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-768x576.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-520x390.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c.jpg 1451w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Dalai Lama has a conversation with John Oliver — and fermented horse milk comes up.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Dalai Lama says he made a difference. In an interview last Sunday with news comedian John Oliver, the Tibetan spiritual leader said, \"I suggested [to the Mongolians] drink much less vodka. Instead of that, drink horse milk.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You tried to wean them off vodka by giving them horse milk?\" Oliver replied, incredulously.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Oh yes. Then they follow,\" the Dalai Lama said. \"Since then I think majority of Mongolians no longer any drink.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Dalai Lama was actually encouraging people to drink more airag, a fermented brew made from mare's milk, Mendee says. It's a popular traditional beverage that has roots in Central Asian nomadic horse culture going back thousands of years and has an alcohol content similar to hard cider. The idea is that by consuming something less intoxicating than vodka, which is commonly drunk, people might be better off. Vodka often contains 30 or 40 percent alcohol whereas airag is around 5 to 10 percent alcohol by volume.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_115818\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a.jpg\" alt=\"Milking a mare in Mongolia.\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1349\" class=\"size-full wp-image-115818\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a.jpg 2000w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-160x108.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-800x540.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-768x518.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-1020x688.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-1180x796.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-960x648.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-240x162.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-375x253.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-520x351.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Milking a mare in Mongolia. \u003ccite>(H. Christoph/ullstein bild via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It's not clear when the Dalai Lama first encouraged Mongolians to lay off hard spirits. Some sources suggest it was in 2011, while others believe it was during his fourth visit to the country in 1995.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He hasn't been the only person promoting this message. The current president, Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj, began making a similar request of his countrymen in 2011, sometime after the Dalai Lama's fourth visit to Mongolia. Ever since then the president has been urging people to toast with milk — the non-alcoholic variety pulled from goats, cows or sheep– and asking officials not to serve alcohol at government events. The president's office did not respond to a request for comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Those were really good public health initiatives. When the Dalai Lama came up with that slogan for us, 'Drink less vodka. Drink more mare's milk,' that hit people a lot!\" says Dr. Tsogtbataar Byambaa, the director of the National Center for Public Health in Mongolia. \"A significant percentage of Mongolians are Buddhists. So many people here worship Dalai Lama.\" And Elbegdorj even received an \u003ca href=\"http://www.wpro.who.int/mongolia/mediacentre/rd_recognition/en/\">award from the World Health Organization in 2012\u003c/a> for his efforts to reduce alcoholism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_115823\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1400px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85.jpg\" alt=\"American Supreme Court justice William O. Douglas drinks fermented horse milk with herders in a yurt during his visit to Mongolia in 1961.\" width=\"1400\" height=\"953\" class=\"size-full wp-image-115823\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85.jpg 1400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-160x109.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-800x545.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-768x523.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-1020x694.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-1180x803.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-960x653.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-240x163.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-375x255.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-520x354.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1400px) 100vw, 1400px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">American Supreme Court justice William O. Douglas drinks fermented horse milk with herders in a yurt during his visit to Mongolia in 1961. \u003ccite>(Dean Conger/Corbis via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As the Dalai Lama claimed on \u003cem>Last Week Tonight\u003c/em>, it does seem to be the case that most Mongolians don't drink regularly. Only about 36 percent of Mongolians have had an alcoholic drink in the last month based on a WHO survey from 2013, Byambaa says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was basically the same in 2009, though. Even before Elbegdorj asked people to consider taking it a little easy on the bottle, only \u003ca href=\"http://www.who.int/chp/steps/mongolia/en/\">38 percent of Mongolians\u003c/a> reported drinking in the past month. That's low compared to the U.S., where 56 percent of people drink on a monthly basis (and about 27 percent report binge drinking in the past month).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is some indication that things changed in Mongolia between 2005 and 2009, however. The oldest WHO alcohol data on Mongolia is from a 2005 report, which put the percentage of drinkers at about 60 percent of the population. So the WHO data indicates that there really are fewer Mongolians who drink today than over a decade ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112485545\">alcohol misuse\u003c/a> is still a significant \u003ca href=\"http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/profiles/mng.pdf\">public health hurdle\u003c/a> for the country, Byambaa says. \"There's a mean number of standard drinks consumed per drinking occasion, he says. \"That's 9 for us. Think about that number for a second.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The WHO surveys suggest that many Mongolians who do drink are binging on a staggering amount of booze, Byambaa says. That volume hasn't changed much since 2009 either. \"[The mean number of drinks per occasion] was 8.8 drinks in 2009. That one went up a little bit,\" Byambaa says. \"It's very alarming.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Did the Dalai Lama and Elbegdorj's call to \"drink milk, not vodka\" have any effect on Mongolian drinking habits? Byambaa demurs to the question. \"I can't quantify the effect of that,\" he says. \"Anecdotally? Well, I can't say anecdotally.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added with a chuckle: \"Well, who am I to judge Dalai Lama?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mendee is a little more forthright on the issue. \"I don't think that Dalai Lama and Elbegdorj changed it,\" he says. After the country's hard transition from communism to a market economy, Mongolia has enjoyed steady economic growth since the mid-1990s. Mendee thinks that economic improvement may have done more for alcohol misuse than public health campaigns from dignitaries. Beer and wine are getting more popular nowadays, Mendee adds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As to whether or not people have begun drinking more fermented mare's milk since His Holiness endorsed it, Byambaa says that airag has always been popular. \"Yeah, I don't know. It looks like milk. It's sour,\" he says. \"I like it. It's my favorite.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2017 \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/\" target=\"_blank\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The spiritual leader says he brought down Mongolia's rate of alcoholism by encouraging a switch from vodka to horse milk.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1489090713,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":21,"wordCount":937},"headData":{"title":"Looking Into The Horse Milk Story That The Dalai Lama Told John Oliver | KQED","description":"The spiritual leader says he brought down Mongolia's rate of alcoholism by encouraging a switch from vodka to horse milk.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Looking Into The Horse Milk Story That The Dalai Lama Told John Oliver","datePublished":"2017-03-09T20:18:33.000Z","dateModified":"2017-03-09T20:18:33.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"115816 https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/?p=115816","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2017/03/09/looking-into-the-horse-milk-story-that-the-dalai-lama-told-john-oliver/","disqusTitle":"Looking Into The Horse Milk Story That The Dalai Lama Told John Oliver","videoEmbed":"https://youtu.be/bLY45o6rHm0","nprByline":"Angus Chen, \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/author/nprfood/\">NPR Goats and Soda\u003c/a>","nprImageAgency":"Screenshot by NPR/HBO","nprStoryId":"519226175","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=519226175&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/03/09/519226175/looking-into-the-horse-milk-story-that-the-dalai-lama-told-john-oliver?ft=nprml&f=519226175","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:01:00 -0500","nprStoryDate":"Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:34:00 -0500","nprLastModifiedDate":"Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:01:39 -0500","path":"/bayareabites/115816/looking-into-the-horse-milk-story-that-the-dalai-lama-told-john-oliver","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Like so many countries from the former Soviet bloc, Mongolia faced a terrible economic upheaval at the end of the Soviet Union. In the first few years, inflation went up over 250 percent; employment went down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And people started drinking much more heavily. \"Alcoholism was devastating during the economic hardships of the '90s,\" writes Jargalsaikhan Mendee, a political scientist and former Mongolian defense attaché to the United States, in an email to Goats and Soda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_115817\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-1020x765.jpg\" alt=\"The Dalai Lama has a conversation with John Oliver — and fermented horse milk comes up.\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" class=\"size-large wp-image-115817\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-768x576.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c-520x390.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/screen-shot-2017-03-09-at-12.13.19-pm-50-c8efe3b163a97e1f1653deebfe26934d8ec7cb1c.jpg 1451w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Dalai Lama has a conversation with John Oliver — and fermented horse milk comes up.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Dalai Lama says he made a difference. In an interview last Sunday with news comedian John Oliver, the Tibetan spiritual leader said, \"I suggested [to the Mongolians] drink much less vodka. Instead of that, drink horse milk.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You tried to wean them off vodka by giving them horse milk?\" Oliver replied, incredulously.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Oh yes. Then they follow,\" the Dalai Lama said. \"Since then I think majority of Mongolians no longer any drink.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Dalai Lama was actually encouraging people to drink more airag, a fermented brew made from mare's milk, Mendee says. It's a popular traditional beverage that has roots in Central Asian nomadic horse culture going back thousands of years and has an alcohol content similar to hard cider. The idea is that by consuming something less intoxicating than vodka, which is commonly drunk, people might be better off. Vodka often contains 30 or 40 percent alcohol whereas airag is around 5 to 10 percent alcohol by volume.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_115818\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a.jpg\" alt=\"Milking a mare in Mongolia.\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1349\" class=\"size-full wp-image-115818\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a.jpg 2000w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-160x108.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-800x540.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-768x518.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-1020x688.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-1180x796.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-960x648.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-240x162.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-375x253.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-548822191-50_custom-a336395170e94cf6c219fae27854373d02d0936a-520x351.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Milking a mare in Mongolia. \u003ccite>(H. Christoph/ullstein bild via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It's not clear when the Dalai Lama first encouraged Mongolians to lay off hard spirits. Some sources suggest it was in 2011, while others believe it was during his fourth visit to the country in 1995.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He hasn't been the only person promoting this message. The current president, Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj, began making a similar request of his countrymen in 2011, sometime after the Dalai Lama's fourth visit to Mongolia. Ever since then the president has been urging people to toast with milk — the non-alcoholic variety pulled from goats, cows or sheep– and asking officials not to serve alcohol at government events. The president's office did not respond to a request for comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Those were really good public health initiatives. When the Dalai Lama came up with that slogan for us, 'Drink less vodka. Drink more mare's milk,' that hit people a lot!\" says Dr. Tsogtbataar Byambaa, the director of the National Center for Public Health in Mongolia. \"A significant percentage of Mongolians are Buddhists. So many people here worship Dalai Lama.\" And Elbegdorj even received an \u003ca href=\"http://www.wpro.who.int/mongolia/mediacentre/rd_recognition/en/\">award from the World Health Organization in 2012\u003c/a> for his efforts to reduce alcoholism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_115823\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1400px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85.jpg\" alt=\"American Supreme Court justice William O. Douglas drinks fermented horse milk with herders in a yurt during his visit to Mongolia in 1961.\" width=\"1400\" height=\"953\" class=\"size-full wp-image-115823\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85.jpg 1400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-160x109.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-800x545.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-768x523.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-1020x694.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-1180x803.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-960x653.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-240x163.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-375x255.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/24/2017/03/gettyimages-526987692-50_custom-dbafa55a694cf0a06e12a397020c65f8aff1759b-s1400-c85-520x354.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1400px) 100vw, 1400px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">American Supreme Court justice William O. Douglas drinks fermented horse milk with herders in a yurt during his visit to Mongolia in 1961. \u003ccite>(Dean Conger/Corbis via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As the Dalai Lama claimed on \u003cem>Last Week Tonight\u003c/em>, it does seem to be the case that most Mongolians don't drink regularly. Only about 36 percent of Mongolians have had an alcoholic drink in the last month based on a WHO survey from 2013, Byambaa says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was basically the same in 2009, though. Even before Elbegdorj asked people to consider taking it a little easy on the bottle, only \u003ca href=\"http://www.who.int/chp/steps/mongolia/en/\">38 percent of Mongolians\u003c/a> reported drinking in the past month. That's low compared to the U.S., where 56 percent of people drink on a monthly basis (and about 27 percent report binge drinking in the past month).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is some indication that things changed in Mongolia between 2005 and 2009, however. The oldest WHO alcohol data on Mongolia is from a 2005 report, which put the percentage of drinkers at about 60 percent of the population. So the WHO data indicates that there really are fewer Mongolians who drink today than over a decade ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112485545\">alcohol misuse\u003c/a> is still a significant \u003ca href=\"http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/profiles/mng.pdf\">public health hurdle\u003c/a> for the country, Byambaa says. \"There's a mean number of standard drinks consumed per drinking occasion, he says. \"That's 9 for us. Think about that number for a second.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The WHO surveys suggest that many Mongolians who do drink are binging on a staggering amount of booze, Byambaa says. That volume hasn't changed much since 2009 either. \"[The mean number of drinks per occasion] was 8.8 drinks in 2009. That one went up a little bit,\" Byambaa says. \"It's very alarming.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Did the Dalai Lama and Elbegdorj's call to \"drink milk, not vodka\" have any effect on Mongolian drinking habits? Byambaa demurs to the question. \"I can't quantify the effect of that,\" he says. \"Anecdotally? Well, I can't say anecdotally.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added with a chuckle: \"Well, who am I to judge Dalai Lama?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mendee is a little more forthright on the issue. \"I don't think that Dalai Lama and Elbegdorj changed it,\" he says. After the country's hard transition from communism to a market economy, Mongolia has enjoyed steady economic growth since the mid-1990s. Mendee thinks that economic improvement may have done more for alcohol misuse than public health campaigns from dignitaries. Beer and wine are getting more popular nowadays, Mendee adds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As to whether or not people have begun drinking more fermented mare's milk since His Holiness endorsed it, Byambaa says that airag has always been popular. \"Yeah, I don't know. It looks like milk. It's sour,\" he says. \"I like it. 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