Last week I promised more Dorie and her heart-warming stories of life in France and cooking with Pierre Herme, Daniel Boulud and Julia Child. Voila….!

It’s hard for me not to gush. I have found this oh so sweet culinary world to be acerbic so when one of the industry luminaries takes a moment to even acknowledge me much less spend time discussing careers, options, and advice, the feeling is near rapture. I’ll try to rein it in to profound gratitude though I have no doubt some gushing will seep through the veneer. So enough about me, on with the fabulous Ms. D.

I asked Dorie about her life in New York versus her life in Paris – how she lives the best of both worlds and her favorite aspect of each.

“I love life in Paris, the rhythm of life, the ease of the city. It’s simple to get together with friends here. Days seem longer, there’s always time for friends. And, unlike when I’m in New York, I always have the urge to be outside here, on the streets, walking, exploring and discovering.” 1971 marks her first visit to Paris with her husband, Michael. Her dream was to be here and the moment Dorie arrived in Paris, she knew she was meant to be here. She immediately decided that she would some day live in paris. Dorie never wavered from her goal and has spent the past 10 years living in both Paris and New York City. “New York is about work, but I find it hard to work in Paris. It’s easier to write in New York but so many of my ideas and creativity originate in Paris. My head explodes with ideas and creativity here in Paris.”

What is it like working with The Greats?

I showed Dorie my sheet of questions where I had listed “What is it like to work with Julia Child, Pierre Herme, Daniel Boulud?” Dorie looked at it, hugged her arms and shook her head saying, “It’s hard to believe I worked with these three greats. It’s hard to believe I worked with one of them, but three!”

Dorie spoke about Julia, Pierre and Daniel being natural teachers and mused if perhaps that wasn’t a trait of all the greatest chefs? Not just a necessity of or part of the job of teaching your sous chef and so on down the brigade, but a higher sense of duty, like the doctors Hippocratic oath, compelling them to teach the next generation to preserve this tradition, this history in order to keep the cuisine alive. “Il faut transmettre le savoir faire” as they say, translating literally as “one must transmit the know-how” or carry on the traditions.

What was it like cooking with Julia Child?

I barely had the question out of my mouth when Dorie replied “extraordinary”. “All the cliches are true, she was extraordinary. Her warmth, generosity, incredible intelligence, her curiosity about the world – it was all extraordinary.” Like everyone else who worked with Julia, Dorie discovered that the persona on television was exactly the same person live – full of “warmth, generosity, curiosity and humor. Julia loved learning. She was a born teacher and also a shameless flirt.”

Before Julia moved to Santa Barbara, Dorie, Michael, and their tall, handsome son Joshua visited Julia in Cambridge. As they were headed out to lunch, Julia’s assistant Stephanie Hersh suggested Dorie take Julia’s walker warning Dorie that she wouldn’t want to be responsible if Julia were to fall. Julia overheard this and replied, “When I’m with a young man, I don’t need a walker!” With that she linked her arm around Joshua’s and headed for the car.

Dorie lived in Cambridge for 8 weeks while working on the Baking with Julia cookbook to accompany the series. Geoff Drummond, Julia’s producer, initially recommended her to Julia and Julia immediately concurred, stating, “I like the way Dorie writes recipes. She writes them just like I do.” When Dorie spoke that last sentence, she put her hand over her heart, claiming “What an honor!”

At one point in the tv taping, Julia mentioned that something was wrong with her computer, so Michael and one of the show’s tech guys went to look at it, which was upstairs in her room. Julia came in a few minutes later and, at 85 years old (!!), wanted to know exactly what was wrong and exactly how they had fixed it because if it happened again, she wanted to be able to fix it herself. Even at 85 years old, she was still inquisitive, curious and always learning. And as a testament to her whimsical sense of humor, her screen saver read: “Creme Fraiche”.

I asked Dorie how she met Julia. Dorie gave a cooking demo at Boston University after the release of her first book, Sweet Times. Her demo followed Julia’s demo – “not a place,” according to Dorie, “that any new author wants to be.” At a dinner that evening that included Jacques Pepin, Dorie sat next to Julia. Julia asked her if she’d seen Dan Ackroyd’s Saturday Night Live skit impersonating her. Dorie replied that she was probably the only person in the country who hadn’t seen it so Julia stood up and re-enacted the entire routine for her! With a melancholy smile, Dorie reminisced, “I miss her. I really, really miss her.”

What is it like working with Pierre Herme?

“With Pierre there is an excitement to his teaching, to making others understand and see things that he sees, tastes, and feels in the cuisine. For Pierre, the word “genius” is so overused but Pierre is truly a genius – you see it in his ideas about perceptions of taste and texture and how he thinks about combinations. Pierre would always refer to the Three Ts – taste, texture, temperature. How he creates around these three is truly remarkable.” I would like to humbly add a 4th – visual – because his creations are true works of art and one’s mouth begins watering at the mere sight of them. Dorie claims to have graduated from the “School of Working with Pierre Herme” because he changed her whole way of looking at what makes food a pleasure.

Dorie and Pierre met in 1993 while she was working on a story about chestnuts for the New York Times. Dorie wanted to learn about marrons glace (candied chestnuts) so she arranged for a meeting with Pierre. She brought along her husband Michael thinking it would be a quick interview and that they would then go on their way. Two hours later, Pierre and Dorie decided they were separated at birth while Michael claimed they were “meant to meet.” They had so much to talk about, the hours flew by. After that initial meeting, Dorie and Pierre stayed in touch and visited when Dorie was in Paris or Pierre was in New York. When Baking with Julia was finished and Dorie was looking for her next project, Michael suggested she talk to Pierre about collaborating on a book. She sent him a fax asking if he’d like to work on a book for the American market and he called her back in minutes saying, “I thought we’d already agreed to do this?!”

When it came time for Dorie and Pierre to start work on that book, Pierre invited her to join him and his wife Frederick on their upcoming vacation. Dorie declined, saying of course she wouldn’t dream of interrupting their vacation. Pierre insisted she join them and said it would be the only time he had to work on the project. They drove to the west coast of France, to Arcachon south of Bordeaux, with crates of recipes in the trunk. They set up a very long table, literally on the beach with their toes in the sand, and hooked up a generator behind them to power their laptops. They sat in a row – Dorie, Pierre, Frederick, Michael – looking out on the Atlantic Ocean and the entire book was organized in those few weeks. Every morning they would go to the market then return for coffee. A few hours of work on the book would be followed with lunch. A return trip to the market for dinner would then be followed with Dorie and Pierre working by the light of one lamp until 1:00 am. The delicious results of that “vacation” are Desserts by Pierre Herme.


I hope you enjoyed this visit with Dorie. She has such a unique and heart-warming way of experiencing Paris, reading her blog is like taking a petite vacation through the cobblestone streets of the Left Bank. Bon appetit!

Dorie Greenspan ~ Live and Online in Paris, Part II 24 February,2007Cucina Testa Rossa

  • Brilynn

    Thanks for letting me know this post was up, I loved it!


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After a decade in Silicon Valley, Laura traded her keyboard for a cutting board and moved to New York City to immerse herself in food and wine studies and restaurant operations. She graduated from the French Culinary Institute where she studied under Master Chefs Jacques Pépin, André Soltner, Alain Sailhac, and Master Sommelier Andrea Immer. While in New York, Laura cooked with some of the world’s most highly acclaimed chefs including Mario Lohninger (Danube), Morimoto, Mark Franz & Emily Luchetti (Farallon), Michael Romano (Union Square Café), Mario Batali, Marcella Hazan, Jonathan Cartwright (White Barn Inn), Martin Heierling (Bellagio), Dave Pasternack (Esca), Richard Reddington (Redd, Auberge du Soleil), and the legendary Alice Waters (Chez Panisse).

After working as the Back Kitchen Chef of Jacques Pépin’s PBS cooking show, “Fast Food, My Way”, Laura moved to France to cook her way around the country. She cooked at the Cannes Film Festival, then to the northwest corner of France, to Britanny, to cook on a lobster boat, then east to Paris to the world famous Pierre Hermé Patisserie where she made thousands of his macarons every day! Laura cooked for the fabulous Olivia de Havilland and interned at 3 Michelin Star Le Cinq under Chef Philippe Legendre and Pastry Chef Fabrice Lecleir. Laura was the executive chef and cooking instructor at the DaVinci Code chateau outside of Paris where she was on set during the filming of the movie.

In Fall 2007, Laura worked on Jacques Pepin’s most recent PBS television series as prop and food stylist. “More Fast Food, My Way” should air in the Spring of 2008. “My Keyboard for a Cutting Board ~ Adventures in a French kitchen v1.0”, Laura’s first book highlights her first three months cooking in France, was published in Summer 2006. Convivialité is her second book and will hopefully be published in the fall.

Laura now splits her time between Paris and the San Francisco Bay Area doing private chefing, teaching cooking classes and leading market tours when in Paris. Bon Appetit!

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