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Since his release, Woods has been traveling around this state reminding people that no matter what they’ve been through, they too are worthy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13950397\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13950397\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-800x531.jpg\" alt=\"Rob Woods talking to people at San Quentin State Prison about the idea of being worthy. \" width=\"800\" height=\"531\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-800x531.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-1020x677.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-768x510.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-1536x1020.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-2048x1360.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-1920x1275.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rob Woods talking to people at San Quentin State Prison about the idea of being worthy. \u003ccite>(David Chatman)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Through the \u003ca href=\"https://worthyfoundation.myshopify.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Worthy Foundation\u003c/a>, which Woods runs along with Quinton Jackson, Jacob Moynihan and Derek Foster, they have partnered with other volunteers to give free haircuts and resources to people living near the well-known unhoused community of Skid Row in Los Angeles. While there, his message was amplified when local artists painted the word “worthy” on a nearby wall. He’s also gone back behind the prison walls to do work, as he’s held workshops and performances at San Quentin in an effort to remind people of their value. And during a “Worthy Hour” show in his hometown of Sacramento, I got to see firsthand why Woods is so grounded, as his friends and family boisterously cheered in support of his art.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods’ work is important, especially here in California. This state is home to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.statista.com/statistics/203757/number-of-prisoners-in-the-us-by-states/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">second largest population of imprisoned people\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/homeless-population-by-state\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the country’s largest unhoused population\u003c/a>. And for many people, even those who aren’t living behind bars or sleeping on the streets, times are hard. In the scramble to pay bills and make ends meet, our inherent value as human beings often gets lost. So this week we talk to Rob Woods for a simple but profound reminder that you too are worthy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3473309213&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, host: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Rightnowish. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m your host Pendarvis Harshaw, bringing you a conversation I recently had with a talented musician by the name of Rob Woods. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rob is an MC whose poetic lyrics speak of hard times and hope, the central idea in his music is that we’re all worthy beings. It’s best exemplified in his 2020 song titled, “Worthy,” a melodic and contemplative piece, with soulful lyrics about redemption.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This concept of worthiness, something he learned while incarcerated, also shows up in Rob’s approach to how he now serves the community. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He organizes with other volunteers to give haircuts to unhoused folks on Skid Row in Los Angeles. He also volunteers behind bars, speaking to people who are incarcerated in places like Marin County’s San Quentin State prison. And the idea of worthiness even shows up in his series of statewide live performances, which he calls, “The Worthy Hour.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rob knows what it’s like to be at your worst, and then grow to be the best version of yourself. So this week we talk about music, meaningful messages, and his movement to remind people that no matter what you’ve been through, you are worthy. Stay tuned.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Recently, I saw you perform in Sacramento at the Guild Theater as a part of your show called The Worthy Hour. What is the worthy hour?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods, guest: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s exactly what it is. It’s for one hour. You know, I’m trying to pour into those that are, you know, there in attendance, making sure that they feel worthy, that they hear the word worthy, that they understand the meaning behind it, which is for me, it’s knowing that you are loved, knowing that you are worth it, your worth, that you’re worth everything, everything that you want and you desire. I feel like people need to hear that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And, you know, I just been able to do it through a musical display most recently, you know, being able to capture a dope audience and sit there with them for the hour and make sure that they’re hearing this, feeling this. And it’s not all just rap. You know, I try to assemble some musicians like my buddy K.J. Focus, who’s just really, really mean on the saxophone. He pulls up and he’s able to convey that same message to you without saying a word, just through his instrument.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It started with me doing it only inside of prisons. But, I soon realized that even us out here, we need to hear that we’re worthy. It’s not just… some people that are going through things behind bars, like in all reality, we are all in need of hearing this word on the daily. So, you know, I just, you know, take pride in making it my job and doing it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What was going on in your life when you wrote the song “Worthy”?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was finishing up my prison bid sitting on the top of my bunk. I was confused a little bit on like where where I was at, you know. I kind of didn’t even understand, like, damn, you fucked up so bad that you got here. But at that same moment, I did feel that like, God was with me. I’ve never done anything on my own. I felt the power of like prayers, you know, I had a really powerful prayer team. My great aunties came to visit me in prison. They would pray on me. And now I feel like I have just like these angels. You know, I had angels on earth, I have angels above. And it made me feel like I knew I was going to be okay no matter what.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You know, the words are “I admit that I did a lot of shit and I never been perfect, been through it all, but I feel like it was worth it. I’m not a perfect man, but I feel like I’m worthy. And if I’m worthy, then Lord, please have mercy on me.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Clip from Worthy by Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">`\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I admit that I did a lot of shit and I never been perfect, \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">been through it all, but I feel like it was worth it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not a perfect man, but I feel like I’m worthy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if I’m worthy, then Lord, please have mercy…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">With the song, I just, I don’t know man, I just heard it in my head. I had a calling for it to write the music. I didn’t, I did not find it, the beats and all that until later on in life. But the initial template was just me writing in my journal.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You have a new song with LaRussell, who’s had immense success with putting heavy messages in his music and the Co-LLAB Choir. What was the conversation like leading up to that song?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was a genuine approach on all fronts. You know, for me and… me and LaRussell it was just simply, you know we had done some shows. Pre-pandemic, you know, we did some shows where like we were just crossing paths, opening up for other artists and things of that nature. And, you know, we just had a chance to build a cool little rapport and a, you know, friendship through the music. And we waited until we found a track that actually just felt good for both of us.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Clip from The Road by Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I feel like I got the weight of the world on my shoulders but finally here\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Been through the winter, the stormiest weather but we made out to the clear\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I put my foot on the gas, I ain’t comin’ off, we bout to switch up the gears\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was locked in the cell, wasn’t worried ‘bout bail but the failure was my only fear\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m back on the road (Back on the road)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back in my mode (Back in my mode)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back in my zone (Back in my zone)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chasing the gold (Chasing)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The song is called The Road. You know, it hit… it hit for him. It hit for me. The beat maker, Beau Knows Beats, it hit for him. It was just very, very once- once we got the correct beat, it was easy, easy flowing. For the Co-LLAB choir…I had no… I didn’t know anything about it. But once they brought it to my attention on my damn this choir is so dope. And um, they jumped on another song with us with me and Gunna Goes Global called I Know. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it was a heavy message based song but they elevated.. they elevated the sound. Took them\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">no time for them to come back with their own versions of like how the song should sound and they amplified it in a way that I just can’t do on my own. I can’t do it myself, you know? I’m good with writing, I’m good with rapping. I think I can hold a note or two, but the power behind that choir and their willingness to be a part of this was like something that really amplified the track.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Clip from I Know by Gunna Goes Global:\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">People always judged you\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You ain’t want nothin’ but somebody to hug you\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bills got you stressin’ it’s heavy on your back\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You tried to borrow money but they said they’d call you back\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hip hop has long had this issue with some music being, um, lighter. It serves a purpose, but it can be overly.. like we’re overly saturated with music that isn’t um, of high intelligence, I’ll say or isn’t um, relating to the soul and so, how do you go about putting substance in your music and making sure that it reaches people?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The first thing that I want to do is make music that I care about and that I love. If I can’t do that, it can’t happen. Very hard for me to do that. So I just try to stay the course of like, do you believe in what you’re saying? Like the stuff that you’re writing about. Is this really you, is that really your life? Is that the image that you are putting out there, does that line up with the person that you are?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know what I believe in and what I don’t believe in. And I don’t believe in putting negative things out there. I don’t believe in hurting my brother or my sister in any way. I don’t believe in down talk of any kind to my people. So, you know, with this music, I just make sure that those things are checked off. Does this make a person… how does it make a person feel? Because this isn’t for me. It’s for someone else. I’m giving it to them. How does it make them feel? What did they take away from it? What effect does it have on them, during the, you know, the course of them listening? And that has just been my, you know, my rule of thumb in creating.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Your music is steeped in hope. Like, as I’ve listened, the first song that I really latched onto that black gold track, like I needed to hear that personally. It was, you know, around 2020 where things were pretty heavy. Thank you for that. And why does it feel important for you to have hope at the center of your art?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think it’s important to implement hope at the inside of the track because that’s all I am you know, that’s all I’ve been. And even the track Black Gold, that was not my original track. It’s actually a guy that I met when I was doing a tour into San Quentin Prison. He was very talented, his name is Antwan Banks. When he got out, he reached out was like, “Hey, I love to connect, let’s do some music.” He came to me with this idea of black gold, like that’s him on the hook \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Antwan Banks in a clip from Black Gold by Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>“\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know the price of black gold (Black gold, black gold, black gold)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know the price of black gold (Black gold, black gold, black gold)…”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Us as black individuals and… We’ve been painted a different color. You know what I mean. We’ve been painted a different light and it’s negative. But, you know, I really, really want to do my job in reminding us, like, how beautiful black is.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Clip from Black Gold by Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">King like Nat Cole \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Beautiful Black queens, all black bathrobes\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All that Black soul, sound like…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know that music is… it’s very, very, very, very powerful and it’s dangerous at the same time. I want to be on the side that’s putting something out there that people can take and that they can use in a way that it’s going to help, not hinder.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As I’ve done work with folks who’ve been incarcerated in different institutions throughout the state as well as people reentering society, it’s been clear to me that that network, that community is essential in making sure that people get on their feet and reestablish themselves. Is this something you’ve experienced of seeing that… that network of even, um the kind of fraternal group of people you were incarcerated with even, have you experienced that as well?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The formerly incarcerated, I have seen what it looks like when they get out. There’s just absolutely nobody there. You know, I did my… my halfway house in the Tenderloin, you know. Very, very weird place for a prison to place a man after he’s doing prison time. You know, this is supposed to be a rehabilitation time of your life, but the halfway house in the Tenderloin, and we all know what it’s like there. You look to the left, you gon’ see a lot. You look to the right, you see a lot. It’s very hard to just get out and keep a straight path.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My sister was close to me, you know, like, literally right down the street. She lived in the Tenderloin too somehow and uh… I knew that that helped me a lot. She helped me with getting my first job, references. My other buddy Gunna Goes Global, he was in the halfway house when I got out with me, cause we met in prison. He gave me my first studio for $25 an hour. You know, everything that I really, really needed, it came from other individuals that wanted to help and just be a resource. And I feel like we all need that some times in our life, but definitely a person that has been going through incarceration. When they get home, they need all the help they can get. Positive reinforcements.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">People showing up for other people who might otherwise slip through the cracks of society. That’s…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yep\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> That’s definitely what I’ve seen as well and so…\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">thank you for sharing that experience. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Kind of fast forwarding a little bit. I understand that you grew up in Sacramento, you spent time in the Bay Area, then you moved to L.A. and when you, when you got there, you began working with the unhoused population, specifically around Skid Row. What did you see? What were your like, broad observations when you first got there?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, it’s very sad. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Very much like how it is down there in San Francisco area where you have Taylor Street, where it’s one street, at the bottom of the street, it’s the Tenderloin. It’s poverty. It’s homelessness. It’s… it’s, you know, it’s just a totally different world from the top of the hill. Here in Los Angeles, it’s the same way. You got your downtown area. You have a very rich area where people are thriving and like just three blocks over you have Skid Row, which is five to seven blocks of just total opposite of that. And\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I saw people turning a blind eye. I saw people making a point to go around these areas. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The arts district is on the outside of Skid Row. Downtown is on the outside of Skid Row. Skid Row’s almost in the heart of the downtown area, but we make sure to go around it. And I didn’t feel good going around it. Man you know, I didn’t. I had to go in there. I had and it was during me making the video for Worthy, looking for all these dope beautiful spots to do the video. And I’m like, why are we going around what needs us the most?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like we went in there and we had. We had our brotherhood, we had our sisterhood. We had people that actually wanted to hear the message. That was eye opening. That was very awakening to me to like, physically see people wanting this message. I feel like that is the place that needs it the most. Let’s… let’s come together in a place that needs us.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One of the earlier parts of your volunteer work was around haircuts. Why did you see it as important to give people haircuts in effort to show them that they’re worthy?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, the feeling of when you get a haircut, you feel like, ‘Aye, damn, you know, like I feel good. I look good.’\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: ‘\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t have a dime in my pocket, but I feel good, like, let’s go get it.’ You know, that is the energy that I was able to get, even when I was locked up. I get a haircut. I feel good. I still got some years, but looking in the mirror, I’mma be alright. I’m okay.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I had the opportunity to do the haircuts in Skid Row, I wanted to give that same energy. You know, and it was beautiful to see.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One guy flew out from Washington. His name is Juice and he was also incarcerated with me, but he’s a barber. He flew himself out. He stayed for a weekend, and then two other barbers from the L.A. area just.. they banded together and they sat on that corner and they gave up as many free haircuts as possible. And we literally watched… It was a transition, it was a transformation from no smile, to haircut, to mirror, to smile, to walking off, and feeling good, and attacking the day.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And that’s like what my barber buddies were saying, they’re like, “Hey man we could give this freely. Like, this is the one thing that we possess that doesn’t cost us anything that we want to give away freely.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Based on your firsthand experience in these two environments, prison and then working on the streets with folks who are unhoused. What parallels or overlaps have you seen?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">These are two places where it’s clear that they need, they need somebody. They need help, right? You’re dealing and you’re doing with the least amount of resources possible. They don’t have a lot. They might not even want a lot anymore, but they’re making it work and they are trying. But I also see a community of people that have each other’s backs. You know, that’s one thing that really drew me to the area was like, even though they don’t have homes and houses and cars, what they do have is like a heart and a smile and they’re sharing. They don’t have shit, but they’re still sharing!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There’s some things that we need in society. We need, even in the prison system, it sucks to say, bro like the, the structure, the organization, the discipline that it- that they have in there, we need some of that out here. The minimal hopping on the phone to talk to people and the scrolling through our instagrams that they can’t do in there, I feel like we need a little bit of that out here to help balance you know, and keep us focused and stay on track.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On a personal note, I know that the work that you do both as entertainment and also the work that you do, the social work that you do, can be draining. And this world just in general is taxing. And so I’m wondering, like when you’re down, what’s your… what’s your personal ritual to remind yourself that you’re worthy? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just remind myself, like first off, it’s all in my name. I’m named after my grandfather. Very, very, very great man, he led the family, 11 children. I have 11 aunties and uncles. And uh, he was a great man. And I always just try to remind myself like… Will he be proud, you know what I mean, of the work I’m doing? I think so. You know, even with like, the distribution, this stuff I’m doing with the community, I learned that from him. You know, I used to ride around in the back of his truck and he would stop at food banks and grab bread and stuff after work. We’d pass it out, and um, so a little piece of this, like I don’t get drained when it comes to that is what I’m trying to say. I get, I’m very excited because that’s my.. that’s my work. That’s my connection with him. We just keeping it, we just keeping it alive.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For me, it’s a bit of a blessing. I’ve never not felt it. I’ve never not felt like God loves me, never not felt like my family loves me. To remind myself I literally just have to just speak, speak back to myself, speak to God, just being thankful.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How was it felt for you personally, seeing your message resonating with folks?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know I’m a solo artist, I’m not signed or none of that stuff. Bro I just literally like, I have the opportunity and the ability to create something and people actually like it. People actually love it. Some people actually take it and it’s helping them. And that is like, the hugest payoff for me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s like cooking good food, man. And watching everybody at the table eat and get full and say it’s good. And then, you know, catch the itis and doze off, right? Like, I did it the right way. I feel like the same way with my music, and my message when I’m able to put it out there and the…. Man, it’s just… It’s… it’s amazing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Indeed it is. Rob, thank you. Thank you for your message, your work and your music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The service of reminding people of their worth– that we are all worthy– is such a unique thing that can be easily overlooked, especially when so much is needed: housing, mental health resources, changes to laws, you name it. But if you, as an individual, don’t think you’re worthy, you could have the world and it would mean nothing. So, it’s a universal message and I hope you all gained something from this conversation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I invite you to check out Rob’s music, including his latest single, “The Road,” which is done in collaboration with Vallejo’s LaRussell and The Co-LLAB Choir, find it wherever you stream music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And you can keep up with Rob Woods on instagram, at robwooods, all one word. Rob R-O-B. Woods is spelled with three O’s. 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Since his release, Woods has been traveling around this state reminding people that no matter what they’ve been through, they too are worthy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13950397\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13950397\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-800x531.jpg\" alt=\"Rob Woods talking to people at San Quentin State Prison about the idea of being worthy. \" width=\"800\" height=\"531\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-800x531.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-1020x677.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-768x510.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-1536x1020.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-2048x1360.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Rob-Woods_-Photo_by_David_Chatman-1920x1275.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rob Woods talking to people at San Quentin State Prison about the idea of being worthy. \u003ccite>(David Chatman)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Through the \u003ca href=\"https://worthyfoundation.myshopify.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Worthy Foundation\u003c/a>, which Woods runs along with Quinton Jackson, Jacob Moynihan and Derek Foster, they have partnered with other volunteers to give free haircuts and resources to people living near the well-known unhoused community of Skid Row in Los Angeles. While there, his message was amplified when local artists painted the word “worthy” on a nearby wall. He’s also gone back behind the prison walls to do work, as he’s held workshops and performances at San Quentin in an effort to remind people of their value. And during a “Worthy Hour” show in his hometown of Sacramento, I got to see firsthand why Woods is so grounded, as his friends and family boisterously cheered in support of his art.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods’ work is important, especially here in California. This state is home to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.statista.com/statistics/203757/number-of-prisoners-in-the-us-by-states/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">second largest population of imprisoned people\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/homeless-population-by-state\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the country’s largest unhoused population\u003c/a>. And for many people, even those who aren’t living behind bars or sleeping on the streets, times are hard. In the scramble to pay bills and make ends meet, our inherent value as human beings often gets lost. So this week we talk to Rob Woods for a simple but profound reminder that you too are worthy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3473309213&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, host: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Rightnowish. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m your host Pendarvis Harshaw, bringing you a conversation I recently had with a talented musician by the name of Rob Woods. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rob is an MC whose poetic lyrics speak of hard times and hope, the central idea in his music is that we’re all worthy beings. It’s best exemplified in his 2020 song titled, “Worthy,” a melodic and contemplative piece, with soulful lyrics about redemption.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This concept of worthiness, something he learned while incarcerated, also shows up in Rob’s approach to how he now serves the community. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He organizes with other volunteers to give haircuts to unhoused folks on Skid Row in Los Angeles. He also volunteers behind bars, speaking to people who are incarcerated in places like Marin County’s San Quentin State prison. And the idea of worthiness even shows up in his series of statewide live performances, which he calls, “The Worthy Hour.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rob knows what it’s like to be at your worst, and then grow to be the best version of yourself. So this week we talk about music, meaningful messages, and his movement to remind people that no matter what you’ve been through, you are worthy. Stay tuned.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Recently, I saw you perform in Sacramento at the Guild Theater as a part of your show called The Worthy Hour. What is the worthy hour?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods, guest: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s exactly what it is. It’s for one hour. You know, I’m trying to pour into those that are, you know, there in attendance, making sure that they feel worthy, that they hear the word worthy, that they understand the meaning behind it, which is for me, it’s knowing that you are loved, knowing that you are worth it, your worth, that you’re worth everything, everything that you want and you desire. I feel like people need to hear that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And, you know, I just been able to do it through a musical display most recently, you know, being able to capture a dope audience and sit there with them for the hour and make sure that they’re hearing this, feeling this. And it’s not all just rap. You know, I try to assemble some musicians like my buddy K.J. Focus, who’s just really, really mean on the saxophone. He pulls up and he’s able to convey that same message to you without saying a word, just through his instrument.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It started with me doing it only inside of prisons. But, I soon realized that even us out here, we need to hear that we’re worthy. It’s not just… some people that are going through things behind bars, like in all reality, we are all in need of hearing this word on the daily. So, you know, I just, you know, take pride in making it my job and doing it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What was going on in your life when you wrote the song “Worthy”?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was finishing up my prison bid sitting on the top of my bunk. I was confused a little bit on like where where I was at, you know. I kind of didn’t even understand, like, damn, you fucked up so bad that you got here. But at that same moment, I did feel that like, God was with me. I’ve never done anything on my own. I felt the power of like prayers, you know, I had a really powerful prayer team. My great aunties came to visit me in prison. They would pray on me. And now I feel like I have just like these angels. You know, I had angels on earth, I have angels above. And it made me feel like I knew I was going to be okay no matter what.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You know, the words are “I admit that I did a lot of shit and I never been perfect, been through it all, but I feel like it was worth it. I’m not a perfect man, but I feel like I’m worthy. And if I’m worthy, then Lord, please have mercy on me.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Clip from Worthy by Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">`\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I admit that I did a lot of shit and I never been perfect, \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">been through it all, but I feel like it was worth it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not a perfect man, but I feel like I’m worthy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if I’m worthy, then Lord, please have mercy…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">With the song, I just, I don’t know man, I just heard it in my head. I had a calling for it to write the music. I didn’t, I did not find it, the beats and all that until later on in life. But the initial template was just me writing in my journal.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You have a new song with LaRussell, who’s had immense success with putting heavy messages in his music and the Co-LLAB Choir. What was the conversation like leading up to that song?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was a genuine approach on all fronts. You know, for me and… me and LaRussell it was just simply, you know we had done some shows. Pre-pandemic, you know, we did some shows where like we were just crossing paths, opening up for other artists and things of that nature. And, you know, we just had a chance to build a cool little rapport and a, you know, friendship through the music. And we waited until we found a track that actually just felt good for both of us.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Clip from The Road by Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I feel like I got the weight of the world on my shoulders but finally here\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Been through the winter, the stormiest weather but we made out to the clear\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I put my foot on the gas, I ain’t comin’ off, we bout to switch up the gears\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was locked in the cell, wasn’t worried ‘bout bail but the failure was my only fear\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m back on the road (Back on the road)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back in my mode (Back in my mode)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back in my zone (Back in my zone)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chasing the gold (Chasing)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The song is called The Road. You know, it hit… it hit for him. It hit for me. The beat maker, Beau Knows Beats, it hit for him. It was just very, very once- once we got the correct beat, it was easy, easy flowing. For the Co-LLAB choir…I had no… I didn’t know anything about it. But once they brought it to my attention on my damn this choir is so dope. And um, they jumped on another song with us with me and Gunna Goes Global called I Know. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it was a heavy message based song but they elevated.. they elevated the sound. Took them\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">no time for them to come back with their own versions of like how the song should sound and they amplified it in a way that I just can’t do on my own. I can’t do it myself, you know? I’m good with writing, I’m good with rapping. I think I can hold a note or two, but the power behind that choir and their willingness to be a part of this was like something that really amplified the track.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Clip from I Know by Gunna Goes Global:\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">People always judged you\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You ain’t want nothin’ but somebody to hug you\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bills got you stressin’ it’s heavy on your back\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You tried to borrow money but they said they’d call you back\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hip hop has long had this issue with some music being, um, lighter. It serves a purpose, but it can be overly.. like we’re overly saturated with music that isn’t um, of high intelligence, I’ll say or isn’t um, relating to the soul and so, how do you go about putting substance in your music and making sure that it reaches people?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The first thing that I want to do is make music that I care about and that I love. If I can’t do that, it can’t happen. Very hard for me to do that. So I just try to stay the course of like, do you believe in what you’re saying? Like the stuff that you’re writing about. Is this really you, is that really your life? Is that the image that you are putting out there, does that line up with the person that you are?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know what I believe in and what I don’t believe in. And I don’t believe in putting negative things out there. I don’t believe in hurting my brother or my sister in any way. I don’t believe in down talk of any kind to my people. So, you know, with this music, I just make sure that those things are checked off. Does this make a person… how does it make a person feel? Because this isn’t for me. It’s for someone else. I’m giving it to them. How does it make them feel? What did they take away from it? What effect does it have on them, during the, you know, the course of them listening? And that has just been my, you know, my rule of thumb in creating.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Your music is steeped in hope. Like, as I’ve listened, the first song that I really latched onto that black gold track, like I needed to hear that personally. It was, you know, around 2020 where things were pretty heavy. Thank you for that. And why does it feel important for you to have hope at the center of your art?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think it’s important to implement hope at the inside of the track because that’s all I am you know, that’s all I’ve been. And even the track Black Gold, that was not my original track. It’s actually a guy that I met when I was doing a tour into San Quentin Prison. He was very talented, his name is Antwan Banks. When he got out, he reached out was like, “Hey, I love to connect, let’s do some music.” He came to me with this idea of black gold, like that’s him on the hook \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Antwan Banks in a clip from Black Gold by Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>“\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know the price of black gold (Black gold, black gold, black gold)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know the price of black gold (Black gold, black gold, black gold)…”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Us as black individuals and… We’ve been painted a different color. You know what I mean. We’ve been painted a different light and it’s negative. But, you know, I really, really want to do my job in reminding us, like, how beautiful black is.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Clip from Black Gold by Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">King like Nat Cole \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Beautiful Black queens, all black bathrobes\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All that Black soul, sound like…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know that music is… it’s very, very, very, very powerful and it’s dangerous at the same time. I want to be on the side that’s putting something out there that people can take and that they can use in a way that it’s going to help, not hinder.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As I’ve done work with folks who’ve been incarcerated in different institutions throughout the state as well as people reentering society, it’s been clear to me that that network, that community is essential in making sure that people get on their feet and reestablish themselves. Is this something you’ve experienced of seeing that… that network of even, um the kind of fraternal group of people you were incarcerated with even, have you experienced that as well?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The formerly incarcerated, I have seen what it looks like when they get out. There’s just absolutely nobody there. You know, I did my… my halfway house in the Tenderloin, you know. Very, very weird place for a prison to place a man after he’s doing prison time. You know, this is supposed to be a rehabilitation time of your life, but the halfway house in the Tenderloin, and we all know what it’s like there. You look to the left, you gon’ see a lot. You look to the right, you see a lot. It’s very hard to just get out and keep a straight path.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My sister was close to me, you know, like, literally right down the street. She lived in the Tenderloin too somehow and uh… I knew that that helped me a lot. She helped me with getting my first job, references. My other buddy Gunna Goes Global, he was in the halfway house when I got out with me, cause we met in prison. He gave me my first studio for $25 an hour. You know, everything that I really, really needed, it came from other individuals that wanted to help and just be a resource. And I feel like we all need that some times in our life, but definitely a person that has been going through incarceration. When they get home, they need all the help they can get. Positive reinforcements.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">People showing up for other people who might otherwise slip through the cracks of society. That’s…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yep\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> That’s definitely what I’ve seen as well and so…\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">thank you for sharing that experience. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Kind of fast forwarding a little bit. I understand that you grew up in Sacramento, you spent time in the Bay Area, then you moved to L.A. and when you, when you got there, you began working with the unhoused population, specifically around Skid Row. What did you see? What were your like, broad observations when you first got there?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, it’s very sad. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Very much like how it is down there in San Francisco area where you have Taylor Street, where it’s one street, at the bottom of the street, it’s the Tenderloin. It’s poverty. It’s homelessness. It’s… it’s, you know, it’s just a totally different world from the top of the hill. Here in Los Angeles, it’s the same way. You got your downtown area. You have a very rich area where people are thriving and like just three blocks over you have Skid Row, which is five to seven blocks of just total opposite of that. And\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I saw people turning a blind eye. I saw people making a point to go around these areas. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The arts district is on the outside of Skid Row. Downtown is on the outside of Skid Row. Skid Row’s almost in the heart of the downtown area, but we make sure to go around it. And I didn’t feel good going around it. Man you know, I didn’t. I had to go in there. I had and it was during me making the video for Worthy, looking for all these dope beautiful spots to do the video. And I’m like, why are we going around what needs us the most?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like we went in there and we had. We had our brotherhood, we had our sisterhood. We had people that actually wanted to hear the message. That was eye opening. That was very awakening to me to like, physically see people wanting this message. I feel like that is the place that needs it the most. Let’s… let’s come together in a place that needs us.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One of the earlier parts of your volunteer work was around haircuts. Why did you see it as important to give people haircuts in effort to show them that they’re worthy?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, the feeling of when you get a haircut, you feel like, ‘Aye, damn, you know, like I feel good. I look good.’\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: ‘\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t have a dime in my pocket, but I feel good, like, let’s go get it.’ You know, that is the energy that I was able to get, even when I was locked up. I get a haircut. I feel good. I still got some years, but looking in the mirror, I’mma be alright. I’m okay.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I had the opportunity to do the haircuts in Skid Row, I wanted to give that same energy. You know, and it was beautiful to see.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One guy flew out from Washington. His name is Juice and he was also incarcerated with me, but he’s a barber. He flew himself out. He stayed for a weekend, and then two other barbers from the L.A. area just.. they banded together and they sat on that corner and they gave up as many free haircuts as possible. And we literally watched… It was a transition, it was a transformation from no smile, to haircut, to mirror, to smile, to walking off, and feeling good, and attacking the day.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And that’s like what my barber buddies were saying, they’re like, “Hey man we could give this freely. Like, this is the one thing that we possess that doesn’t cost us anything that we want to give away freely.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Based on your firsthand experience in these two environments, prison and then working on the streets with folks who are unhoused. What parallels or overlaps have you seen?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">These are two places where it’s clear that they need, they need somebody. They need help, right? You’re dealing and you’re doing with the least amount of resources possible. They don’t have a lot. They might not even want a lot anymore, but they’re making it work and they are trying. But I also see a community of people that have each other’s backs. You know, that’s one thing that really drew me to the area was like, even though they don’t have homes and houses and cars, what they do have is like a heart and a smile and they’re sharing. They don’t have shit, but they’re still sharing!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There’s some things that we need in society. We need, even in the prison system, it sucks to say, bro like the, the structure, the organization, the discipline that it- that they have in there, we need some of that out here. The minimal hopping on the phone to talk to people and the scrolling through our instagrams that they can’t do in there, I feel like we need a little bit of that out here to help balance you know, and keep us focused and stay on track.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On a personal note, I know that the work that you do both as entertainment and also the work that you do, the social work that you do, can be draining. And this world just in general is taxing. And so I’m wondering, like when you’re down, what’s your… what’s your personal ritual to remind yourself that you’re worthy? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just remind myself, like first off, it’s all in my name. I’m named after my grandfather. Very, very, very great man, he led the family, 11 children. I have 11 aunties and uncles. And uh, he was a great man. And I always just try to remind myself like… Will he be proud, you know what I mean, of the work I’m doing? I think so. You know, even with like, the distribution, this stuff I’m doing with the community, I learned that from him. You know, I used to ride around in the back of his truck and he would stop at food banks and grab bread and stuff after work. We’d pass it out, and um, so a little piece of this, like I don’t get drained when it comes to that is what I’m trying to say. I get, I’m very excited because that’s my.. that’s my work. That’s my connection with him. We just keeping it, we just keeping it alive.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For me, it’s a bit of a blessing. I’ve never not felt it. I’ve never not felt like God loves me, never not felt like my family loves me. To remind myself I literally just have to just speak, speak back to myself, speak to God, just being thankful.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How was it felt for you personally, seeing your message resonating with folks?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know I’m a solo artist, I’m not signed or none of that stuff. Bro I just literally like, I have the opportunity and the ability to create something and people actually like it. People actually love it. Some people actually take it and it’s helping them. And that is like, the hugest payoff for me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Woods: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s like cooking good food, man. And watching everybody at the table eat and get full and say it’s good. And then, you know, catch the itis and doze off, right? Like, I did it the right way. I feel like the same way with my music, and my message when I’m able to put it out there and the…. Man, it’s just… It’s… it’s amazing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Indeed it is. Rob, thank you. Thank you for your message, your work and your music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The service of reminding people of their worth– that we are all worthy– is such a unique thing that can be easily overlooked, especially when so much is needed: housing, mental health resources, changes to laws, you name it. But if you, as an individual, don’t think you’re worthy, you could have the world and it would mean nothing. So, it’s a universal message and I hope you all gained something from this conversation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I invite you to check out Rob’s music, including his latest single, “The Road,” which is done in collaboration with Vallejo’s LaRussell and The Co-LLAB Choir, find it wherever you stream music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And you can keep up with Rob Woods on instagram, at robwooods, all one word. Rob R-O-B. Woods is spelled with three O’s. That’s W-O-O-O-D-S.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This episode was hosted by me, Pendarvis Harshaw.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was produced by Marisol Medina-Cadena and Sheree Bishop.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chris Hambrick is our editor.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our engineer is Christopher Beale.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rightnowish is also supported by Ugur Dursun, Cesar Saldana, Katie Sprenger, Jen Chien, and Holly Kernan.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rightnowish is a KQED production.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Take it easy. Keep it lit. 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The facility itself sits on 432 acres of land in Marin County, one of the top five wealthiest counties per capita in the United States, where well-off residents walk their dogs and take in gorgeous views of the San Francisco Bay on a beach that’s just a stone’s throw from the 171-year-old complex.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the natural environment surrounding San Quentin is a reminder of why so many love this region, inside, the prison exemplifies one of the largest issues plaguing this country: a failed carceral system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927021\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927021\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"A man gazes toward a large concrete complex that sits near a bay of water.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Quentin State Prison, the subject of Adamu Chan’s new documentary, ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2020, San Quentin was home to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11825930/as-coronavirus-cases-surge-at-san-quentin-lawmakers-demand-an-explanation\">one of the largest COVID-19 outbreaks of any prison in the country\u003c/a>. Since then, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, San Quentin has been the site of \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/covid19/population-status-tracking/\">over 3,000 confirmed cases and 28 total deaths\u003c/a> directly related to the virus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just a few months after the initial outbreak at San Quentin, filmmaker \u003ca href=\"https://www.adamuchan.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adamu Chan\u003c/a> was released from its gates. And in April, \u003ca href=\"https://sffilm.org/event/what-these-walls-wont-hold-how-we-get-free-sol-in-the-garden-cgv/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the San Francisco Film Festival\u003c/a> will screen Chan’s latest film, inspired by his experiences, titled \u003cem>What These Walls Won’t Hold\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID='arts_13889012']Taking viewers into the United States’ massive prison system, the film focuses on how people rely upon each other in order to navigate the dehumanizing elements of a system that controls them and the facility that confines them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the story, Chan shares personal reflections about the circle of friends he developed inside of San Quentin, as well as the community outside of its walls. He details the contradictions between the harsh reality of being behind bars and the intrinsic beauty of the natural environment around the facility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Driving the story are written letters to and from Chan. Through these notes, viewers gain an understanding of Chan’s friendship with poet and organizer \u003ca href=\"http://isaborgeson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Isa Borgeson\u003c/a>. And just as viewers see Chan’s own reentry process, the film covers the homecoming ceremonies of \u003cem>San Quentin News\u003c/em> editor \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/stories-by-joe-rosato-jr/long-time-editor-of-san-quentin-newspaper-savors-freedom-after-23-years/2568246/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Richard “Bonaru” Richardson\u003c/a>, Ear Hustle co-host \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13924925/ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rahsaan “New York” Thomas\u003c/a> and longtime San Quentin resident and restorative justice practitioner \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/no-way-out/article_9ab986b7-eefd-54d0-9520-bdf921963b58.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Lonnie Morris\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927023\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927023\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"A man with graying hair and a plaid shirt embraces a shorter woman, burying his head in her shoulders.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Quentin News editor Richard ‘Bonaru’ Richardson comes home in Adamu Chan’s documentary ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Morris’ scene is especially poignant; after making his way out of San Quentin’s gates, he’s embraced with congratulatory hugs, comments of love, and praises of “you did it.” (He’s quick to correct people, saying “\u003cem>we\u003c/em> did it.”) Addressing the crowd with a speech that toes the line of a prayer, Morris speaks on the importance of living in the present moment, valuing those around you, and honoring the creator. As his speech winds down, someone in the crowd says “Now let’s get away from San Quentin!” — to which Morris vigorously agrees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But just because you’re home doesn’t mean you’re \u003cem>free\u003c/em>, as Chan explains to me. When we talk, Chan — a \u003ca href=\"https://ccsre.stanford.edu/people/adamu-chan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2022 CCSRE Mellon Arts Fellow\u003c/a> at Stanford University — lets out a laugh of frustration and tells me he’s just gotten word that he was denied the ability to travel to New York, where he was scheduled to attend and present at a conference at Columbia University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan’s disheartening call came days after Governor Gavin Newsom announced plans to change the model of San Quentin: from California’s oldest functional prison, with the largest death row in the nation, to a restorative facility largely based on prison models in Norway. The idea came after stakeholders, elected officials and people who’ve spent time in prison visited the Scandinavian country last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID='arts_13904492']“Norway does a better job in certain senses,” says Chan, who was part of the Norway trip. He saw firsthand how prisons in the European country differ from the ones in the United States. But ultimately, he says, one thing remains the same: “It’s a prison system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan recognized that he was on a guided tour, he tells me, and adds that “they will only show you what they want you to see.” San Quentin, which also offers tours to visitors, similarly offers a selective view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“(San Quentin) is like a living museum, a show prison. They’ll show carceral practices of the past so they can show you how far we’ve progressed,” Chan tells me, using the example of the prison’s relatively new hospital, which sits atop a defunct dungeon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927022\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927022\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Filming ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Inside of San Quentin, a wide array of programs are available, such as coding, theatre, restorative justice, and an award-winning newspaper. But space within those programs is limited, and not every person can benefit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan, who did benefit from San Quentin’s programs, is in support of people inside having greater freedoms and access. But he questions the overall notion of rehabilitation coming from state-sanctioned isolation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the stuff he saw in Norway was moving — a full grocery store, spacious bunks — people there are still isolated, separated from friends and family, and controlled by a governing system. Fundamentally, Chan says, it’s no different than what people experience in the States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID='forum_2010101888959']“What we need is better prisons?” Chan asks rhetorically, questioning the philosophy behind the proposed changes. “No,” Chan answers, “What we need is something that deals with the larger issues we’re up against. We need to question where violence comes from. We need to question, \u003ci>what is violence\u003c/i>?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the face of the sweeping natural hills that surround San Quentin, big claims of rehabilitation from elected officials, and resources permitted to San Quentin residents that aren’t accessible to folks in other prisons in California, Chan is clear about how he survived while incarcerated: community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The people that I was privileged to be around,” Chan tells me, “we benefited from building our own community, smaller systems of care and accountability, and supporting each other.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Chan is looking to share this story beyond the prison’s walls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12904247\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"39\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-160x16.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-240x23.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-375x37.jpg 375w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>‘What These Walls Won’t Hold’ screens as part of the San Francisco Film Festival on Saturday, April 15 at 12pm and Sunday, April 16 at 2pm. \u003ca href=\"//sffilm.org/2023-festival-program/\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Adamu Chan's film 'What These Walls Won't Hold' shows the circles of support required to live behind San Quentin's walls.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705005694,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":24,"wordCount":1153},"headData":{"title":"New Documentary on San Quentin, 'What These Walls Won't Hold' | KQED","description":"Adamu Chan's film shows the circles of support required to live behind San Quentin's dehumanizing walls.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialTitle":"New Documentary on San Quentin, 'What These Walls Won't Hold' %%page%% %%sep%% KQED","socialDescription":"Adamu Chan's film shows the circles of support required to live behind San Quentin's dehumanizing walls.","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"San Quentin Can Rebrand, But Prison Is Still Prison","datePublished":"2023-03-28T18:19:50.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T20:41:34.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13926813/san-quentin-prison-adamu-chan-what-these-walls-cant-hold","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Behind the concrete walls and steel bars of San Quentin State Prison sit more than 3,000 people, currently serving time. The facility itself sits on 432 acres of land in Marin County, one of the top five wealthiest counties per capita in the United States, where well-off residents walk their dogs and take in gorgeous views of the San Francisco Bay on a beach that’s just a stone’s throw from the 171-year-old complex.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the natural environment surrounding San Quentin is a reminder of why so many love this region, inside, the prison exemplifies one of the largest issues plaguing this country: a failed carceral system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927021\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927021\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"A man gazes toward a large concrete complex that sits near a bay of water.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Quentin State Prison, the subject of Adamu Chan’s new documentary, ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2020, San Quentin was home to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11825930/as-coronavirus-cases-surge-at-san-quentin-lawmakers-demand-an-explanation\">one of the largest COVID-19 outbreaks of any prison in the country\u003c/a>. Since then, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, San Quentin has been the site of \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/covid19/population-status-tracking/\">over 3,000 confirmed cases and 28 total deaths\u003c/a> directly related to the virus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just a few months after the initial outbreak at San Quentin, filmmaker \u003ca href=\"https://www.adamuchan.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adamu Chan\u003c/a> was released from its gates. And in April, \u003ca href=\"https://sffilm.org/event/what-these-walls-wont-hold-how-we-get-free-sol-in-the-garden-cgv/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the San Francisco Film Festival\u003c/a> will screen Chan’s latest film, inspired by his experiences, titled \u003cem>What These Walls Won’t Hold\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13889012","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Taking viewers into the United States’ massive prison system, the film focuses on how people rely upon each other in order to navigate the dehumanizing elements of a system that controls them and the facility that confines them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the story, Chan shares personal reflections about the circle of friends he developed inside of San Quentin, as well as the community outside of its walls. He details the contradictions between the harsh reality of being behind bars and the intrinsic beauty of the natural environment around the facility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Driving the story are written letters to and from Chan. Through these notes, viewers gain an understanding of Chan’s friendship with poet and organizer \u003ca href=\"http://isaborgeson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Isa Borgeson\u003c/a>. And just as viewers see Chan’s own reentry process, the film covers the homecoming ceremonies of \u003cem>San Quentin News\u003c/em> editor \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/stories-by-joe-rosato-jr/long-time-editor-of-san-quentin-newspaper-savors-freedom-after-23-years/2568246/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Richard “Bonaru” Richardson\u003c/a>, Ear Hustle co-host \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13924925/ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rahsaan “New York” Thomas\u003c/a> and longtime San Quentin resident and restorative justice practitioner \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/no-way-out/article_9ab986b7-eefd-54d0-9520-bdf921963b58.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Lonnie Morris\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927023\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927023\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"A man with graying hair and a plaid shirt embraces a shorter woman, burying his head in her shoulders.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Quentin News editor Richard ‘Bonaru’ Richardson comes home in Adamu Chan’s documentary ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Morris’ scene is especially poignant; after making his way out of San Quentin’s gates, he’s embraced with congratulatory hugs, comments of love, and praises of “you did it.” (He’s quick to correct people, saying “\u003cem>we\u003c/em> did it.”) Addressing the crowd with a speech that toes the line of a prayer, Morris speaks on the importance of living in the present moment, valuing those around you, and honoring the creator. As his speech winds down, someone in the crowd says “Now let’s get away from San Quentin!” — to which Morris vigorously agrees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But just because you’re home doesn’t mean you’re \u003cem>free\u003c/em>, as Chan explains to me. When we talk, Chan — a \u003ca href=\"https://ccsre.stanford.edu/people/adamu-chan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2022 CCSRE Mellon Arts Fellow\u003c/a> at Stanford University — lets out a laugh of frustration and tells me he’s just gotten word that he was denied the ability to travel to New York, where he was scheduled to attend and present at a conference at Columbia University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan’s disheartening call came days after Governor Gavin Newsom announced plans to change the model of San Quentin: from California’s oldest functional prison, with the largest death row in the nation, to a restorative facility largely based on prison models in Norway. The idea came after stakeholders, elected officials and people who’ve spent time in prison visited the Scandinavian country last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13904492","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Norway does a better job in certain senses,” says Chan, who was part of the Norway trip. He saw firsthand how prisons in the European country differ from the ones in the United States. But ultimately, he says, one thing remains the same: “It’s a prison system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan recognized that he was on a guided tour, he tells me, and adds that “they will only show you what they want you to see.” San Quentin, which also offers tours to visitors, similarly offers a selective view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“(San Quentin) is like a living museum, a show prison. They’ll show carceral practices of the past so they can show you how far we’ve progressed,” Chan tells me, using the example of the prison’s relatively new hospital, which sits atop a defunct dungeon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927022\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927022\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Filming ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Inside of San Quentin, a wide array of programs are available, such as coding, theatre, restorative justice, and an award-winning newspaper. But space within those programs is limited, and not every person can benefit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan, who did benefit from San Quentin’s programs, is in support of people inside having greater freedoms and access. But he questions the overall notion of rehabilitation coming from state-sanctioned isolation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the stuff he saw in Norway was moving — a full grocery store, spacious bunks — people there are still isolated, separated from friends and family, and controlled by a governing system. Fundamentally, Chan says, it’s no different than what people experience in the States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"forum_2010101888959","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“What we need is better prisons?” Chan asks rhetorically, questioning the philosophy behind the proposed changes. “No,” Chan answers, “What we need is something that deals with the larger issues we’re up against. We need to question where violence comes from. We need to question, \u003ci>what is violence\u003c/i>?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the face of the sweeping natural hills that surround San Quentin, big claims of rehabilitation from elected officials, and resources permitted to San Quentin residents that aren’t accessible to folks in other prisons in California, Chan is clear about how he survived while incarcerated: community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The people that I was privileged to be around,” Chan tells me, “we benefited from building our own community, smaller systems of care and accountability, and supporting each other.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Chan is looking to share this story beyond the prison’s walls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12904247\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"39\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-160x16.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-240x23.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-375x37.jpg 375w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>‘What These Walls Won’t Hold’ screens as part of the San Francisco Film Festival on Saturday, April 15 at 12pm and Sunday, April 16 at 2pm. \u003ca href=\"//sffilm.org/2023-festival-program/\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13926813/san-quentin-prison-adamu-chan-what-these-walls-cant-hold","authors":["11491"],"programs":["arts_140"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_74"],"tags":["arts_10127","arts_1893","arts_10342","arts_10278","arts_10328","arts_11661","arts_1526","arts_1985","arts_3772","arts_585"],"featImg":"arts_13926814","label":"arts_140"},"arts_13924925":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13924925","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13924925","score":null,"sort":[1675983043000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison","title":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison","publishDate":1675983043,"format":"standard","headTitle":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>A co-host of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, the Pulitzer Prize-nominated podcast produced behind bars, was released from San Quentin State Prison on Wednesday, a year after California Gov. Gavin Newsom commuted his sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rahsaan “New York” Thomas, 52, left the lockup near San Francisco and was greeted by his fellow podcast co-hosts Walter “Earlonne” Woods, who was freed in 2019, and Nigel Poor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re thrilled to welcome him home,” the podcast posted on its Twitter feed, along with photos of Thomas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/earhustlesq/status/1623392364394848258\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thomas’ sentence was commuted by Newsom in Jan. 2022 and the state parole board granted his release on parole in August.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“While in prison, Mr. Thomas has dedicated himself to his rehabilitation,” Newsom wrote in the commutation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thomas was serving a 55 1/2 years-to-life sentence for a second-degree murder conviction in 2000 and related charges after he fatally shot one victim and injured another during a drug deal. A Los Angeles County jury rejected his self-defense claim that he fatally shot a man who was trying to rob him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13847946']Since 2019, Thomas has been a co-producer and co-host of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>— named after prison slang for eavesdropping. He was also a regular contributor to the San Quentin News, along with publications outside prison walls. He served as chairman of the Society of Professional Journalists’ San Quentin satellite chapter and worked with several criminal justice reform groups.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Former governor Jerry Brown in 2018 commuted the sentence of Woods, the podcast’s co-creator, leading to his release. Woods continues to work on the outside as a full-time producer and co-host for the podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, which began in 2017, bills itself as “the first podcast created and produced in prison, featuring stories of the daily realities of life inside California’s San Quentin State Prison, shared by those living it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2023 AP. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the AP\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Thomas, of the Pulitzer Prize-nominated podcast, was released from San Quentin on Wednesday.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705005863,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":347},"headData":{"title":"Rahsaan ‘New York’ Thomas Freed From San Quentin Prison | KQED","description":"Thomas, of the Pulitzer Prize-nominated podcast, was released from San Quentin on Wednesday.","ogTitle":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialTitle":"Rahsaan ‘New York’ Thomas Freed From San Quentin Prison %%page%% %%sep%% KQED","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison","datePublished":"2023-02-09T22:50:43.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T20:44:23.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13924925/ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A co-host of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, the Pulitzer Prize-nominated podcast produced behind bars, was released from San Quentin State Prison on Wednesday, a year after California Gov. Gavin Newsom commuted his sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rahsaan “New York” Thomas, 52, left the lockup near San Francisco and was greeted by his fellow podcast co-hosts Walter “Earlonne” Woods, who was freed in 2019, and Nigel Poor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re thrilled to welcome him home,” the podcast posted on its Twitter feed, along with photos of Thomas.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1623392364394848258"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Thomas’ sentence was commuted by Newsom in Jan. 2022 and the state parole board granted his release on parole in August.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“While in prison, Mr. Thomas has dedicated himself to his rehabilitation,” Newsom wrote in the commutation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thomas was serving a 55 1/2 years-to-life sentence for a second-degree murder conviction in 2000 and related charges after he fatally shot one victim and injured another during a drug deal. A Los Angeles County jury rejected his self-defense claim that he fatally shot a man who was trying to rob him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13847946","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Since 2019, Thomas has been a co-producer and co-host of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>— named after prison slang for eavesdropping. He was also a regular contributor to the San Quentin News, along with publications outside prison walls. He served as chairman of the Society of Professional Journalists’ San Quentin satellite chapter and worked with several criminal justice reform groups.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Former governor Jerry Brown in 2018 commuted the sentence of Woods, the podcast’s co-creator, leading to his release. Woods continues to work on the outside as a full-time producer and co-host for the podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, which began in 2017, bills itself as “the first podcast created and produced in prison, featuring stories of the daily realities of life inside California’s San Quentin State Prison, shared by those living it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2023 AP. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the AP\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13924925/ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison","authors":["92"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_235","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_1893","arts_3837","arts_1526","arts_12987","arts_1985"],"featImg":"arts_13862094","label":"arts"},"arts_13915493":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13915493","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13915493","score":null,"sort":[1656613976000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"theater-helped-him-feel-free-at-san-quentin-now-hes-paying-it-forward","title":"Theater Helped Him Feel Free at San Quentin—Now He’s Paying it Forward","publishDate":1656613976,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Theater Helped Him Feel Free at San Quentin—Now He’s Paying it Forward | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Editor’s note:\u003c/strong> Two years into the pandemic, artists are charting new paths forward. Across the Bay Area, they’re advocating for better pay, sharing resources and looking out for their communities’ well-being. Welcome to \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/ourcreativefutures\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Our Creative Futures\u003c/a>\u003cem>, a KQED Arts & Culture series that takes stock of the arts in this unpredictable climate. \u003ca href=\"https://artskqed.typeform.com/Artist2022\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Share your story here\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2020, Juan Meza thought he was going to die just a few months before he was due to be released from San Quentin State Prison after 24 total years of incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His neck and back were aching, he had an out-of-control fever and his blood pressure was skyrocketing. Meza had COVID during the first wave of the pandemic and, as he sat in his cell, he lamented losing one of the few things that brought him joy in prison—the acting program he participated in with Marin Shakespeare Company. [pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation='Juan Meza, an actor who was formerly incarcerated at San Quentin']‘I was able to show that I am a director, that I am a choreographer, that I am an actor, that I am a set designer, that I am essentially an artist.’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Acting, performing—doing these things were a release, a very lethargic process of getting stuff out that we needed to and everything. We didn’t have that avenue anymore and we didn’t know if we were going to get it back,” Meza says. “I think that was what was most disconcerting. It was just something that was devastating. Here’s something that we had worked towards, and now we couldn’t do anything again.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.marinshakespeare.org/shakespeare-in-prison/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marin Shakespeare Company\u003c/a> had been running programming in San Quentin—providing a vital creative, emotional and social outlet for those inside—for 17 years uninterrupted until the pandemic hit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The non-profit theater group has been working with incarcerated people since 2003. Today, they provide drama therapy-inspired acting classes to men, women and youth in 14 different California state prisons with the goal of fostering “self-reflection, self-expression, cooperation, compassion, and goal-setting” among class participants, according to their website.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915618\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13915618\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-800x240.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-800x240.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-1020x306.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-160x48.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-768x230.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-1536x461.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Since getting out of San Quentin State Prison in 2020, Colusa resident Juan Meza works in construction by day while continuing to pursue his passion for theater at Marin Shakespeare Company. \u003ccite>(Fred Greaves)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Lesley Currier, Marin Shakespeare’s managing director, says the men in San Quentin draw “a lot of positive benefits” from her organization’s affiliation with the prison. Among them are “people rediscovering their own creativity; rediscovering their own sense of play,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We hear so often: ‘Over the two and a half hours that I spent in the group, I felt like I was free. I didn’t feel like I was in prison,’” Currier says. “Doing something outside the box is really powerful, particularly for people who’ve been labeled, you know, ‘You are not someone who’s going to succeed. You’re a criminal.’ To do something else—to play, to have different roles—really makes you believe that you can do things that you hadn’t thought of doing before.” [aside postID=\"arts_13913890\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meza, who goes by the stage name Losdini, attests that the acting program helped him reveal another side of himself. He got involved with Marin Shakespeare when he transferred to San Quentin after 16 years at another facility. “If I had never stepped into that first class in San Quentin with Marin Shakespeare Company, I would not have been able to reveal my humanity,” he says. “In that I was able to show that I am a director, that I am a choreographer, that I am an actor, that I am a set designer, that I am essentially an artist.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915621\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13915621\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-768x1152.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-1024x1536.jpg 1024w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-1366x2048.jpg 1366w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148.jpg 1667w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Juan Meza plays bass at home in Colusa, California on June 21, 2022. \u003ccite>(Fred Greaves)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But when COVID hit, Meza’s artistry was put on hold and Marin Shakespeare Company had to pivot their classes since their instructors were no longer allowed to visit the prison. First, they recorded a production of \u003cem>Romeo and Juliet\u003c/em>, put on by some of the formerly incarcerated actors who had been through their program, and sent them to the men in San Quentin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When the prison prohibited them from sending more videos, the theater company distributed packets with writing exercises to stimulate the men’s creative skills. The prompts had Shakespearean themes that were also relevant to daily life during COVID, like plague, friendship, loyalty and self-care. After receiving the writing packages back, Marin Shakespeare posted the men’s writing to their website and even had some formerly incarcerated actors do dramatic readings of the writing that came from inside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915622\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13915622\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-2048x1366.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Juan Meza smokes a cigarette outside his home in Colusa, California June 21, 2022. \u003ccite>(Fred Greaves)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But even this makeshift programming wasn’t enough to distract from the hellish conditions inside San Quentin at the height of the pandemic. San Quentin had the worst COVID outbreak of any prison in California. Over 2,000 inmates were infected and 29 people died from the outbreak, which was caused by a \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-01-28/covid-prison-san-quentin-ruling\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">botched transfer of sick prisoners from Southern California\u003c/a>. The situation was then exacerbated by a lack of personal protective equipment in the prison and overcrowding, which made social distancing impossible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to Meza, “there was a lot of fear, there was a lot of anxiety, there’s a lot of unknowns, there was a lot of misinformation going around,” he says. “In a matter of two weeks, we were now locked in a cell again, unable to move, scared, frightened.” [aside postID=\"arts_13913947\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Currier says when the Marin Shakespeare Company was finally able to come back to San Quentin in June 2021, they spent their first couple of classes talking about what the men had experienced during quarantine. Currier says COVID was “really scary for the men” since “everyone knew someone who had died or who had yelled ‘man down,’” the phrase spoken to alert prison personnel that someone needed immediate medical attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even today Currier says COVID continues to be used “as an excuse” to take away privileges from the men of San Quentin. Despite this, Marin Shakespeare Company was able to stage three performances in front of a live audience in December 2021 with the men of San Quentin, with a production of \u003cem>Henry IV\u003c/em> to come in August.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915509\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13915509\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-800x534.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"534\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Members of Shakespeare at San Quentin along with Marin Shakespeare Company’s and Director Suraya Keating (second from bottom on right) gather backstage before they perform “Twelfth Night” at San Quentin State Prison on Friday, August 5, 2011 in San Quentin, Calif. \u003ccite>(Lea Suzuki/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>By the time Marin Shakespeare Company returned to San Quentin, Meza had been paroled. Today, he is continuing his passion for acting and directing (he \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-dF_hTiEE4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">co-directed his first production in May\u003c/a>) with Marin Shakespeare as part of their \u003ca href=\"https://www.marinshakespeare.org/returned-citizens-theatre-troupe/#:~:text=The%20mission%20of%20the%20Returned,understanding%20and%20communication%20through%20theatre.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Returned Citizens Theater Troupe\u003c/a>, a program Currier says gets at the essence of the importance of MSC’s work in prisons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For the last seven years, we have been hiring actors who have been able to get out of prison to tell their stories through theater,” Currier says. “Some of the conversations after those performances have been amazing as many people say to me, ‘Well, it’s just really changed my attitude about criminal justice in this country,’ because the goal is we need to change hearts and minds so that we can change our laws.” [aside postID=\"arts_13914030\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meza says his reasoning for returning to Marin Shakespeare Company post-incarceration is to pay forward what they did for him to the next person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Now that I’m not incarcerated in prison anymore, I still want to go back to the humans that are inside to sit with them and say, ‘Look, we can do this,’” Meza says. “There’s a niche that I can be in where I understand, like no volunteer will, what it means to be incarcerated. … I have that knowledge, I have that experience. Where other people can only sympathize, I can empathize.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Read more stories from \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/ourcreativefutures\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Our Creative Futures\u003c/a>\u003cem> here. Have something to share? Tell us about how \u003ca href=\"https://artskqed.typeform.com/Artist2022\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the pandemic has impacted your art practice or community\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A survivor of San Quentin's brutal COVID outbreak, Marin Shakespeare actor Juan Meza wants to help those still inside.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705006664,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":1463},"headData":{"title":"Theater Helped Him Feel Free at San Quentin—Now He’s Paying it Forward | KQED","description":"A survivor of San Quentin's brutal COVID outbreak, Marin Shakespeare actor Juan Meza wants to help those still inside.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Theater Helped Him Feel Free at San Quentin—Now He’s Paying it Forward","datePublished":"2022-06-30T18:32:56.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T20:57:44.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"source":"Our Creative Futures","sourceUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/ourcreativefutures","sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/arts/13915493/theater-helped-him-feel-free-at-san-quentin-now-hes-paying-it-forward","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Editor’s note:\u003c/strong> Two years into the pandemic, artists are charting new paths forward. Across the Bay Area, they’re advocating for better pay, sharing resources and looking out for their communities’ well-being. Welcome to \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/ourcreativefutures\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Our Creative Futures\u003c/a>\u003cem>, a KQED Arts & Culture series that takes stock of the arts in this unpredictable climate. \u003ca href=\"https://artskqed.typeform.com/Artist2022\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Share your story here\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2020, Juan Meza thought he was going to die just a few months before he was due to be released from San Quentin State Prison after 24 total years of incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His neck and back were aching, he had an out-of-control fever and his blood pressure was skyrocketing. Meza had COVID during the first wave of the pandemic and, as he sat in his cell, he lamented losing one of the few things that brought him joy in prison—the acting program he participated in with Marin Shakespeare Company. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘I was able to show that I am a director, that I am a choreographer, that I am an actor, that I am a set designer, that I am essentially an artist.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Juan Meza, an actor who was formerly incarcerated at San Quentin","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Acting, performing—doing these things were a release, a very lethargic process of getting stuff out that we needed to and everything. We didn’t have that avenue anymore and we didn’t know if we were going to get it back,” Meza says. “I think that was what was most disconcerting. It was just something that was devastating. Here’s something that we had worked towards, and now we couldn’t do anything again.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.marinshakespeare.org/shakespeare-in-prison/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marin Shakespeare Company\u003c/a> had been running programming in San Quentin—providing a vital creative, emotional and social outlet for those inside—for 17 years uninterrupted until the pandemic hit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The non-profit theater group has been working with incarcerated people since 2003. Today, they provide drama therapy-inspired acting classes to men, women and youth in 14 different California state prisons with the goal of fostering “self-reflection, self-expression, cooperation, compassion, and goal-setting” among class participants, according to their website.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915618\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13915618\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-800x240.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-800x240.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-1020x306.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-160x48.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-768x230.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves-1536x461.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/juan-meza-composite-fred-greaves.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Since getting out of San Quentin State Prison in 2020, Colusa resident Juan Meza works in construction by day while continuing to pursue his passion for theater at Marin Shakespeare Company. \u003ccite>(Fred Greaves)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Lesley Currier, Marin Shakespeare’s managing director, says the men in San Quentin draw “a lot of positive benefits” from her organization’s affiliation with the prison. Among them are “people rediscovering their own creativity; rediscovering their own sense of play,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We hear so often: ‘Over the two and a half hours that I spent in the group, I felt like I was free. I didn’t feel like I was in prison,’” Currier says. “Doing something outside the box is really powerful, particularly for people who’ve been labeled, you know, ‘You are not someone who’s going to succeed. You’re a criminal.’ To do something else—to play, to have different roles—really makes you believe that you can do things that you hadn’t thought of doing before.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13913890","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meza, who goes by the stage name Losdini, attests that the acting program helped him reveal another side of himself. He got involved with Marin Shakespeare when he transferred to San Quentin after 16 years at another facility. “If I had never stepped into that first class in San Quentin with Marin Shakespeare Company, I would not have been able to reveal my humanity,” he says. “In that I was able to show that I am a director, that I am a choreographer, that I am an actor, that I am a set designer, that I am essentially an artist.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915621\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13915621\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-768x1152.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-1024x1536.jpg 1024w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148-1366x2048.jpg 1366w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1148.jpg 1667w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Juan Meza plays bass at home in Colusa, California on June 21, 2022. \u003ccite>(Fred Greaves)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But when COVID hit, Meza’s artistry was put on hold and Marin Shakespeare Company had to pivot their classes since their instructors were no longer allowed to visit the prison. First, they recorded a production of \u003cem>Romeo and Juliet\u003c/em>, put on by some of the formerly incarcerated actors who had been through their program, and sent them to the men in San Quentin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When the prison prohibited them from sending more videos, the theater company distributed packets with writing exercises to stimulate the men’s creative skills. The prompts had Shakespearean themes that were also relevant to daily life during COVID, like plague, friendship, loyalty and self-care. After receiving the writing packages back, Marin Shakespeare posted the men’s writing to their website and even had some formerly incarcerated actors do dramatic readings of the writing that came from inside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915622\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13915622\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-2048x1366.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/fg_san-quentin-theatre_2022_06_21_R5B1105-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Juan Meza smokes a cigarette outside his home in Colusa, California June 21, 2022. \u003ccite>(Fred Greaves)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But even this makeshift programming wasn’t enough to distract from the hellish conditions inside San Quentin at the height of the pandemic. San Quentin had the worst COVID outbreak of any prison in California. Over 2,000 inmates were infected and 29 people died from the outbreak, which was caused by a \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-01-28/covid-prison-san-quentin-ruling\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">botched transfer of sick prisoners from Southern California\u003c/a>. The situation was then exacerbated by a lack of personal protective equipment in the prison and overcrowding, which made social distancing impossible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to Meza, “there was a lot of fear, there was a lot of anxiety, there’s a lot of unknowns, there was a lot of misinformation going around,” he says. “In a matter of two weeks, we were now locked in a cell again, unable to move, scared, frightened.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13913947","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Currier says when the Marin Shakespeare Company was finally able to come back to San Quentin in June 2021, they spent their first couple of classes talking about what the men had experienced during quarantine. Currier says COVID was “really scary for the men” since “everyone knew someone who had died or who had yelled ‘man down,’” the phrase spoken to alert prison personnel that someone needed immediate medical attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even today Currier says COVID continues to be used “as an excuse” to take away privileges from the men of San Quentin. Despite this, Marin Shakespeare Company was able to stage three performances in front of a live audience in December 2021 with the men of San Quentin, with a production of \u003cem>Henry IV\u003c/em> to come in August.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915509\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13915509\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-800x534.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"534\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/GettyImages-1322090464.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Members of Shakespeare at San Quentin along with Marin Shakespeare Company’s and Director Suraya Keating (second from bottom on right) gather backstage before they perform “Twelfth Night” at San Quentin State Prison on Friday, August 5, 2011 in San Quentin, Calif. \u003ccite>(Lea Suzuki/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>By the time Marin Shakespeare Company returned to San Quentin, Meza had been paroled. Today, he is continuing his passion for acting and directing (he \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-dF_hTiEE4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">co-directed his first production in May\u003c/a>) with Marin Shakespeare as part of their \u003ca href=\"https://www.marinshakespeare.org/returned-citizens-theatre-troupe/#:~:text=The%20mission%20of%20the%20Returned,understanding%20and%20communication%20through%20theatre.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Returned Citizens Theater Troupe\u003c/a>, a program Currier says gets at the essence of the importance of MSC’s work in prisons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For the last seven years, we have been hiring actors who have been able to get out of prison to tell their stories through theater,” Currier says. “Some of the conversations after those performances have been amazing as many people say to me, ‘Well, it’s just really changed my attitude about criminal justice in this country,’ because the goal is we need to change hearts and minds so that we can change our laws.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13914030","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meza says his reasoning for returning to Marin Shakespeare Company post-incarceration is to pay forward what they did for him to the next person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Now that I’m not incarcerated in prison anymore, I still want to go back to the humans that are inside to sit with them and say, ‘Look, we can do this,’” Meza says. “There’s a niche that I can be in where I understand, like no volunteer will, what it means to be incarcerated. … I have that knowledge, I have that experience. Where other people can only sympathize, I can empathize.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Read more stories from \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/ourcreativefutures\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Our Creative Futures\u003c/a>\u003cem> here. Have something to share? Tell us about how \u003ca href=\"https://artskqed.typeform.com/Artist2022\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the pandemic has impacted your art practice or community\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13915493/theater-helped-him-feel-free-at-san-quentin-now-hes-paying-it-forward","authors":["11792"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_967"],"tags":["arts_10342","arts_10278","arts_17542","arts_1526","arts_1985","arts_5891"],"featImg":"arts_13915516","label":"source_arts_13915493"},"arts_13889012":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13889012","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13889012","score":null,"sort":[1604960802000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"eric-warner-improved-his-life-then-san-quentins-covid-19-outbreak-took-it","title":"Eric Warner Improved His Life—Then San Quentin's COVID-19 Outbreak Took It","publishDate":1604960802,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Eric Warner Improved His Life—Then San Quentin’s COVID-19 Outbreak Took It | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric William Warner was a lot of things—a boxer, a barber and a Bible thumper—but nothing speaks to his character more than the fact that people knew him as a person who simply loved jumping rope, even though his left leg was amputated.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As a youngster, he lived on the wild side. In his older years, he found comfort in routinely reading his scripture. And all throughout his life, he valued family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On July 25, Eric died of complications related to COVID-19. He was 57 years old. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the time of his passing, Eric was at California’s San Quentin State Prison, where he served 22 years of what initially was a life sentence. (After an appeal, it was reduced to 55 years to life.)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s behind those walls that Eric forged friendships with people who spoke at his memorial service. Their testimonies gave his family full insight into the human being Eric evolved into—far from the young man he once was. Yet even with his growth, the system that aided his rehabilitation process ultimately failed him.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13889015\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 750px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13889015\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2125.jpg\" alt=\"Friends and family gathered in honor of Eric William Warner at Candlestick Point in San Francisco. \" width=\"750\" height=\"741\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2125.jpg 750w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2125-160x158.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Friends and family gathered in honor of Eric William Warner at Candlestick Point in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Hank Warner)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>A rough beginning\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The second son of two Filipino immigrants, Eric was born in San Francisco and raised in the Excelsior District. Eric’s brother Hank, two years his senior, describes him as someone who had a rough childhood and grew into a bit of a thrill-seeker as a young adult.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1971, when\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/1971/09/14/archives/many-shun-buses-in-san-francisco-school-integration-program-begins.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> the San Francisco School District started bussing students\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> across neighborhoods in an effort to integrate schools, Hank says Eric was picked on, bullied and robbed by the kids at \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bret Harte Elementary School in\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Bayview-Hunters Point. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric’s demoralizing experience was coupled with his father’s absence. The boys’ dad worked on a cruise ship and would be gone for multiple weeks each month. That caused Eric to lash out, Hank recalls. Eric’s mom eventually took up a job at their school. Later, his father—who by then had retired—took up a gig as a crossing guard at the school as well. Hank says the neighborhood was so rough that his father once got robbed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Through his teenage years, Eric and his father butted heads, says Hank. Eric dropped out of Balboa High School in 1979, and cascaded into a lifestyle that brought about multiple run-ins with the law, landing him in detention centers, camps and juvenile hall. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But aside from the trouble he was having, everyone loved my brother,” says Hank, noting that he saw his “nice personality” as separate from his other issues. “His trouble was, sort of, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">his own trouble\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">… He wasn’t a troublesome person in relationships.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hank says Eric was independent and adventurous, and it showed. He loved riding dirt bikes and motorcycles.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“He was always on the edge of thrill,” says Hank.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1986, Eric caught his first major offense—he served three years in prison after pleading guilty to kidnapping and robbery.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1992, Eric \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">was in a vehicle collision that required his left leg to be amputated up to the knee. But that didn’t slow him down. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the time of his death, Eric was serving a sentence for a crime committed more than a decade after his first major offense. In 1999, he was charged with second-degree murder (the offense was later reclassified as voluntary manslaughter), as well as \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">possession of a firearm as a felon. It stemmed from an incident where\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Eric shot and killed a man over a $10 dispute, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/27/death-row-inmate-three-others-die-amid-covid-19-outbreak-at-san-quentin-prison/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">according to news reports\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hank says that at the time, Eric had fallen deep into a crack cocaine addiction. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">According to a \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.leagle.com/decision/incaco20181220041\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">legal brief\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> from the case, Eric was sentenced under California’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/lowdown/4065/thinking-twice-about-californias-three-strikes-law\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">former Three Strikes law\u003c/a> and given a sentence of 100 years to life. Of the two decades he served in California’s prisons, he spent 10 years at San Quentin.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Working hard to turn his life around\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While in the facility, Eric took up the trade of dry cleaning. He got into ethnic studies and gave cultural presentations as a part of the Asian Prisoner Support Committee’s group, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.asianprisonersupport.com/programs-1\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">R.O.O.T.S (Restoring Our Original True Selves)\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A former Golden Gloves boxer, Eric constantly trained. Despite his love of fighting, people who knew him while incarcerated say he was mild-mannered. One friend says the only time he saw him lose his cool was when his beloved San Francisco 49ers lost the Super Bowl. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric was in love.\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ttDcatgnKKQ&app=desktop\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> In a video\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> filmed by \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13887701/whats-on-your-ballot-adnan-khan-prisoners-advocate\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">activist Adnan Khan\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, Eric talks about how the death of his fiancée, Amanda Parrish, filled him with loneliness and despair. “It taught me insight about how I was living under my circumstances, and gave me the strength to live above my circumstances,” says Eric in the video, concluding that Amanda’s love gave him hope. The couple is survived by Amanda’s daughter, Shanti, whom Eric considered his stepdaughter. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://youtu.be/ttDcatgnKKQ\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric took Christianity seriously; not just in study, but in practice as well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">His former cellmate, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chanton Bun, credits Eric with saving his life. “I got into a fight with my first celly,” says Bun. “And Eric said, ‘You’re not going to survive like that. You’re going to make matters worse.’”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bun says Eric asked him to look past the conflict and rationalize the situation. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“You’re going to go to [the Parole] Board one day, so you don’t want anything else on your record,” Bun recalls Eric telling him. Reflecting on that interaction, Bun says, “He helped me start my journey to rehabilitation.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric invited Bun to take over an empty bunk in Eric’s cell, beginning a close friendship that would last the final two years of Eric’s life.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> During that time, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bun took note of Eric’s discipline: how he read his Bible daily, stayed committed to working out and always managed to find time to assist others.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“He was a ‘legal beagle,’” says Bun, describing how Eric helped people research arguments to appeal their cases. “In the whole unit, if you didn’t understand what the court was telling you, you’d come to E, like, ‘I got this letter from the court,’ and he’d help you understand it.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13889014\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13889014\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"A memorial for Eric William Warner at Lincoln Elementary School in Oakland. \" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-768x576.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A memorial for Eric William Warner at Lincoln Elementary School in Oakland. \u003ccite>(Hank Warner)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric was also a barber, complete with a CDCR-issued station and clippers (no scissors). “People came to the cell for either legal work or a haircut, and he never turned anyone down,” says Bun.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While juggling all of these things, Eric still had his own struggles—mostly with finding a good fit for his prosthetic leg. Bun says he never complained about his disability, even when navigating the three-story stairway between his bunk and the prison yard. But Eric did make it a point to voice his frustrations to doctors, and ultimately tried to fix the prosthetic leg himself. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bun says when news of COVID-19 hit, Eric was worried. “It’s going to hit me hard, but I’m going to survive it,” Bun recalls Eric telling him. Eric also told Bun that if he did die, “Sue the shit out of CDCR. They knew I was high-risk, but they didn’t check on me.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When Bun found out Eric passed, Bun had been released for just under a month. He says he has survivor’s remorse. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The first thing Bun thought was to have a memorial for Eric, and then he got overwhelmed. But with the support of others who knew him, they held two memorials—one in Oakland’s Lincoln Square Park and another at Candlestick Park in San Francisco, where the 49ers used to play.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There was also \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.gofundme.com/f/eric-william-warner-memorial-expense\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">a fundraiser\u003c/span>\u003c/a> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">to help Eric’s family. It was \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">set up by \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Danny Thongsy, another formerly incarcerated friend of Eric’s. They raised over $7,000 in his honor. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>No opportunity for a second chance\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Until the memorial service, Hank, Eric’s older brother, says he didn’t fully understand Eric’s impact. He witnessed his growth and transition from afar. When Eric was first incarcerated, the two didn’t talk much. But as the years went by, the brothers had weekly conversations every Sunday for ten years.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the time of Eric’s passing, Hank says his brother had progressed to a point that he was ready to come home; he often talked of traveling with his brother, niece and nephew. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I have two children, 22 and 18, and they never got to meet their uncle,” says Hank. He’s frustrated with the damage caused by the Three Strikes law and lengthy sentences, emphasizing the pain the prison system causes family members, not just the incarcerated person. [aside postid='arts_13883905']\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“The person that Eric came to be is someone I would’ve been proud to let my kids know is their uncle,” Hank says. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hank feels that the story that should be told about Eric is how the Three Strikes law left him with an extensive sentence and no real chance at being released. “That’s really the foundation to the coronavirus problem—or the overcrowded prisons problem,” says Hank. “People like Eric are just getting piled upon in prisons.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hank says that leaves a lingering question to be asked. 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His family says the prison system failed him.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705019872,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":42,"wordCount":1799},"headData":{"title":"Eric Warner Improved His Life—Then San Quentin's COVID-19 Outbreak Took It | KQED","description":"Remembering Eric Warner, a beloved friend, brother, legal advisor and barber. 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In his older years, he found comfort in routinely reading his scripture. And all throughout his life, he valued family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On July 25, Eric died of complications related to COVID-19. He was 57 years old. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the time of his passing, Eric was at California’s San Quentin State Prison, where he served 22 years of what initially was a life sentence. (After an appeal, it was reduced to 55 years to life.)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s behind those walls that Eric forged friendships with people who spoke at his memorial service. Their testimonies gave his family full insight into the human being Eric evolved into—far from the young man he once was. Yet even with his growth, the system that aided his rehabilitation process ultimately failed him.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13889015\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 750px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13889015\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2125.jpg\" alt=\"Friends and family gathered in honor of Eric William Warner at Candlestick Point in San Francisco. \" width=\"750\" height=\"741\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2125.jpg 750w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2125-160x158.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Friends and family gathered in honor of Eric William Warner at Candlestick Point in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Hank Warner)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>A rough beginning\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The second son of two Filipino immigrants, Eric was born in San Francisco and raised in the Excelsior District. Eric’s brother Hank, two years his senior, describes him as someone who had a rough childhood and grew into a bit of a thrill-seeker as a young adult.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1971, when\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/1971/09/14/archives/many-shun-buses-in-san-francisco-school-integration-program-begins.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> the San Francisco School District started bussing students\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> across neighborhoods in an effort to integrate schools, Hank says Eric was picked on, bullied and robbed by the kids at \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bret Harte Elementary School in\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Bayview-Hunters Point. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric’s demoralizing experience was coupled with his father’s absence. The boys’ dad worked on a cruise ship and would be gone for multiple weeks each month. That caused Eric to lash out, Hank recalls. Eric’s mom eventually took up a job at their school. Later, his father—who by then had retired—took up a gig as a crossing guard at the school as well. Hank says the neighborhood was so rough that his father once got robbed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Through his teenage years, Eric and his father butted heads, says Hank. Eric dropped out of Balboa High School in 1979, and cascaded into a lifestyle that brought about multiple run-ins with the law, landing him in detention centers, camps and juvenile hall. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But aside from the trouble he was having, everyone loved my brother,” says Hank, noting that he saw his “nice personality” as separate from his other issues. “His trouble was, sort of, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">his own trouble\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">… He wasn’t a troublesome person in relationships.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hank says Eric was independent and adventurous, and it showed. He loved riding dirt bikes and motorcycles.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“He was always on the edge of thrill,” says Hank.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1986, Eric caught his first major offense—he served three years in prison after pleading guilty to kidnapping and robbery.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1992, Eric \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">was in a vehicle collision that required his left leg to be amputated up to the knee. But that didn’t slow him down. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the time of his death, Eric was serving a sentence for a crime committed more than a decade after his first major offense. In 1999, he was charged with second-degree murder (the offense was later reclassified as voluntary manslaughter), as well as \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">possession of a firearm as a felon. It stemmed from an incident where\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Eric shot and killed a man over a $10 dispute, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/27/death-row-inmate-three-others-die-amid-covid-19-outbreak-at-san-quentin-prison/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">according to news reports\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hank says that at the time, Eric had fallen deep into a crack cocaine addiction. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">According to a \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.leagle.com/decision/incaco20181220041\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">legal brief\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> from the case, Eric was sentenced under California’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/lowdown/4065/thinking-twice-about-californias-three-strikes-law\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">former Three Strikes law\u003c/a> and given a sentence of 100 years to life. Of the two decades he served in California’s prisons, he spent 10 years at San Quentin.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Working hard to turn his life around\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While in the facility, Eric took up the trade of dry cleaning. He got into ethnic studies and gave cultural presentations as a part of the Asian Prisoner Support Committee’s group, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.asianprisonersupport.com/programs-1\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">R.O.O.T.S (Restoring Our Original True Selves)\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A former Golden Gloves boxer, Eric constantly trained. Despite his love of fighting, people who knew him while incarcerated say he was mild-mannered. One friend says the only time he saw him lose his cool was when his beloved San Francisco 49ers lost the Super Bowl. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric was in love.\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ttDcatgnKKQ&app=desktop\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> In a video\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> filmed by \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13887701/whats-on-your-ballot-adnan-khan-prisoners-advocate\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">activist Adnan Khan\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, Eric talks about how the death of his fiancée, Amanda Parrish, filled him with loneliness and despair. “It taught me insight about how I was living under my circumstances, and gave me the strength to live above my circumstances,” says Eric in the video, concluding that Amanda’s love gave him hope. The couple is survived by Amanda’s daughter, Shanti, whom Eric considered his stepdaughter. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/ttDcatgnKKQ'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/ttDcatgnKKQ'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric took Christianity seriously; not just in study, but in practice as well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">His former cellmate, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chanton Bun, credits Eric with saving his life. “I got into a fight with my first celly,” says Bun. “And Eric said, ‘You’re not going to survive like that. You’re going to make matters worse.’”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bun says Eric asked him to look past the conflict and rationalize the situation. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“You’re going to go to [the Parole] Board one day, so you don’t want anything else on your record,” Bun recalls Eric telling him. Reflecting on that interaction, Bun says, “He helped me start my journey to rehabilitation.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric invited Bun to take over an empty bunk in Eric’s cell, beginning a close friendship that would last the final two years of Eric’s life.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> During that time, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bun took note of Eric’s discipline: how he read his Bible daily, stayed committed to working out and always managed to find time to assist others.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“He was a ‘legal beagle,’” says Bun, describing how Eric helped people research arguments to appeal their cases. “In the whole unit, if you didn’t understand what the court was telling you, you’d come to E, like, ‘I got this letter from the court,’ and he’d help you understand it.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13889014\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13889014\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"A memorial for Eric William Warner at Lincoln Elementary School in Oakland. \" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-768x576.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/IMG_2132-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A memorial for Eric William Warner at Lincoln Elementary School in Oakland. \u003ccite>(Hank Warner)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eric was also a barber, complete with a CDCR-issued station and clippers (no scissors). “People came to the cell for either legal work or a haircut, and he never turned anyone down,” says Bun.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While juggling all of these things, Eric still had his own struggles—mostly with finding a good fit for his prosthetic leg. Bun says he never complained about his disability, even when navigating the three-story stairway between his bunk and the prison yard. But Eric did make it a point to voice his frustrations to doctors, and ultimately tried to fix the prosthetic leg himself. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bun says when news of COVID-19 hit, Eric was worried. “It’s going to hit me hard, but I’m going to survive it,” Bun recalls Eric telling him. Eric also told Bun that if he did die, “Sue the shit out of CDCR. They knew I was high-risk, but they didn’t check on me.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When Bun found out Eric passed, Bun had been released for just under a month. He says he has survivor’s remorse. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The first thing Bun thought was to have a memorial for Eric, and then he got overwhelmed. But with the support of others who knew him, they held two memorials—one in Oakland’s Lincoln Square Park and another at Candlestick Park in San Francisco, where the 49ers used to play.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There was also \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.gofundme.com/f/eric-william-warner-memorial-expense\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">a fundraiser\u003c/span>\u003c/a> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">to help Eric’s family. It was \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">set up by \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Danny Thongsy, another formerly incarcerated friend of Eric’s. They raised over $7,000 in his honor. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>No opportunity for a second chance\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Until the memorial service, Hank, Eric’s older brother, says he didn’t fully understand Eric’s impact. He witnessed his growth and transition from afar. When Eric was first incarcerated, the two didn’t talk much. But as the years went by, the brothers had weekly conversations every Sunday for ten years.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the time of Eric’s passing, Hank says his brother had progressed to a point that he was ready to come home; he often talked of traveling with his brother, niece and nephew. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I have two children, 22 and 18, and they never got to meet their uncle,” says Hank. 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Citizens will vote in the midst of a global pandemic, severe climate change, an uprising for racial justice and an administration that has eroded the norms of democracy. In ‘\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/whats-on-your-ballot\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">What’s on Your Ballot\u003c/a>,’ KQED checks in with ten different artists, activists and cultural figures about the issues on their minds and their hopes for the country.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-size: 4.6875em;float: left;line-height: 0.733em;padding: 0.05em 0.1em 0 0;font-family: times, serif, georgia\">A\u003c/span>dnan Khan is the executive director of \u003ca href=\"https://restorecal.org/author/adnan/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Re:Store Justice\u003c/a>, a nonprofit that he co-founded in 2017 while incarcerated in San Quentin State Prison. The organization offers resources to survivors of violent crimes, leads transformative justice workshops to those who’ve committed crimes and holds restorative justice discussions between offenders and survivors of violent crimes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time of the organization’s inception, Khan was serving a sentence of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11720792/my-intentions-were-not-to-kill-adnan-khan-is-first-to-be-released-from-prison-under-new-law#:~:text=He%20was%20convicted%20of%20felony,of%2025%20years%20to%20life.&text=Khan%20spent%20nearly%20half%20of,in%20and%20committed%20a%20robbery.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">25 years to life\u003c/a> under California’s felony murder rule, after participating in a robbery in which his accomplice killed a person. While behind bars, Khan researched and contributed to the efforts that led to the passing of Senate Bill 1437, which allows people charged under the felony murder rule, like himself, to have their cases revisited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Khan was the first person re-sentenced under the new law, and subsequently released that day. Out of San Quentin for just over 18 months, Khan now lives in Los Angeles with his partner and newborn child, Aidan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Aidan took a nap, Khan recently took time to answer questions about this fall’s election, national politics and how to make a difference in a country where most people feel as if they have no say.\u003cem>—Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"From KQED's California Voter Guide\" link1='https://www.kqed.org/voterguide/,All the State Props, All the Bay Area Measures' hero=https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/2020/10/KQED-Election-2020-Aside-CA-Voter-Guide.png]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Coming from your background, how do you look at the two presidential candidates that we have now, and say, ‘One of them might benefit me and the community that I come from?’\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You know, I think that a lot of focus can go to the presidential election, and I believe that there is a huge importance there. But as many of us do know, mass incarceration is a systemic problem, it’s a new form of slavery… And what I’ve learned is that when it comes to mass incarceration or prison, \u003ca href=\"https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">90% of the people are in state prisons and local jails\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, when it comes to this voting cycle, it’s really important to know who your governor is, who your state senators are, who your state assembly members are, who your mayor is, who elects the police chief, and who’s your city council, who are your people who can defund the police and reallocate that money. Once I started learning more of the process, I learned that [those] can be very important pieces to focus on the larger pictures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, when it comes to the big debate of the lesser of two evils: Kamala Harris, what she’s done toward the contribution of mass incarceration, and Joe Biden, the ’94 crime bill, and what he’s done with the contribution to mass incarceration is horrible. So a lot of people, morally, feel like they can’t vote for them. But not picking the lesser of two evils, and just settling with the larger evil? I personally can’t do that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The last thing I want to add to this—I’ve constantly reflected on this a lot—is as a person who has experienced many losses, and done 16 years in prison, and starting at a maximum security prison as a young adult, I \u003cem>lived\u003c/em> in losses. So, we learn how to maneuver around loss, and what that looks like, how to survive another day, if not a moment, with the correctional staff. I lived under an authoritarian state for 16 years, I lived in autocracy for 16 years. And I’m seeing the parallels with the Trump administration. For me, I can’t see voting for Trump.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13887822\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13887822\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside-800x534.jpg\" alt=\"Adnan Khan, pictured here while incarcerated at San Quentin.\" width=\"800\" height=\"534\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside-768x513.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside.jpg 1020w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Adnan Khan, pictured here while incarcerated at San Quentin. ‘My amends now would be incomplete if it was only telling someone that I’m sorry,’ Khan says, ‘without preventing a child from committing the same harm that I did.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy Adnan Khan)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How did you get inspired enough to do something to change your situation? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>First, I took the steps to educate myself. As you know, in prison, access to information and knowledge is very limited, and it’s done intentionally. I think that gave me more of a hunger, more than anything. Early on in my incarceration, I wanted to investigate my conditions. And as I started to investigate my conditions, I learned that, whoa, there’s a whole systemic thing going on here. And as I kept digging and digging, while living what I’m reading, it was just enlightening. Not in a good way, but in a frustrating way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another thing that’s very personal to me, as we talk about agency, is that I take full responsibility for my crime and for the harm that I’ve caused. And in order for me to take full responsibility, one, I have to acknowledge what I did, and then two, I have to make a living amends. Which means, how do I repair the damage that I’ve caused? But then, in order for me to even do that, I have to understand: how did I go from an eight-year-old little league baseball player to an 18-year-old with a life sentence?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And once I learned how that happened, my amends now would be incomplete if it was only telling someone that I’m sorry, without preventing a child from committing the same harm that I did. And that is rooted in policy, and how our society is structured, and how marginalized children are criminalized in schools. So my amends and my remorse can be there, but it’s incomplete unless I learn about the conditions that led me to commit my crime in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>That’s tight—it’s like, looking at yourself, and taking agency within your own path and your own experience, and also seeing how society failed you. And then seeing that no one else falls through that same crack.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think it’s very misleading to society for someone to take 100% responsibility for the wrong that they’ve done. There are, as you know, societal factors, contributing factors. Like I said, I was 17 years-old. Parentless, homeless, high school dropout. The police showed up after I committed a crime. And so, school: nothing there. Parents: didn’t have any. Didn’t have literally any place to stay. I slept in cars and parks and friends’ houses for like a year. I can take full responsibility—which, I do take full responsibility, for me—but public safety is still at risk if we don’t change conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>To people who feel removed, people that don’t see themselves represented right now by this two-party system, or by local politics, or people who just feel disenfranchised, and don’t have agency—to my young homies who are 18 years-old and have that mindset like, ‘America ain’t mine’—what do you tell them? How do you tell them to get involved?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well, I feel like America wasn’t mine either, right? It’s true. The inception of this country is built on property, wealth, and land. Built quite literally over bodies, on genocide. And then enslaving people and then bringing them here. When the constitution was written, they didn’t think about abolishing slavery at that time. So everything they built was to protect themselves, or to protect property. And policing was to protect the property-owning people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13887821\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13887821\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-800x590.jpg\" alt=\"Adnan Khan stands in the Re:Store Justice transitional home in Oakland shortly after his release from San Quentin.\" width=\"800\" height=\"590\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-800x590.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-1020x752.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-160x118.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-768x566.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-1536x1133.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Adnan Khan stands in the Re:Store Justice transitional home in Oakland shortly after his release from San Quentin. \u003ccite>(Hope McKenney/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>To the young people, I want to say that this is your time. Because more young people are starting to think like you, and are activating. Activation is physical, it’s a verb. You gotta do. Doing, not meaning talking, but going and doing. And more people are doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What country do you want to live in the next 20 years? Next 15 years? I’ve got a little boy here, and what happens in the next four to eight years is going to be his future. We can set that. You want it, it’s yours. There’s a commercial with an athlete saying that “Greatness isn’t given, it’s taken—you gotta go get it.” Don’t feel like power comes from not participating. Because once you give power away, then you let someone control you, and that’s what’s been happening forever.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Building off of that, after the election, no matter how it goes, what are your hopes and goals for the future of the country? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The most important thing to me is strategy. And as we organize and mobilize, it’s important to educate people on what to do and how to do it. A lot of people’s advocacy is what they read on the 280-character tweet. There’s a lot of people who are more interested in abolition, new systems, or whatever, that have come out in the past six or seven months than there have been in my entire life. To organize means to collect people, and then make sure the mobilizing is mobilizing toward a direction. So the next few years is going to be rooted in strategy for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If we choose to go through what we have, the democratic process, let’s start electing our own. I truly feel like, based on QAnon and all this nonsense that’s happening, this is probably the end of the Republican party. And the Democratic party is more like center-right. Meanwhile there’s this entire party that’s emerging—or has always been around, but it’s being added to, as we’re seeing across the nation—what people are calling the progressive party. There is a third party whose needs are not fully represented, whose ideas are not implemented in society. And so, that’s going to be an interesting political party. I feel like that’s going to be emerging, and fast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Learn more about Adnan Khan’s work by visiting \u003ca href=\"https://restorecal.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Re:Store Justice\u003c/a>. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Recently released from San Quentin, Adnan Khan sees parallels between prison and the Trump administration. 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In ‘\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/whats-on-your-ballot\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">What’s on Your Ballot\u003c/a>,’ KQED checks in with ten different artists, activists and cultural figures about the issues on their minds and their hopes for the country.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-size: 4.6875em;float: left;line-height: 0.733em;padding: 0.05em 0.1em 0 0;font-family: times, serif, georgia\">A\u003c/span>dnan Khan is the executive director of \u003ca href=\"https://restorecal.org/author/adnan/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Re:Store Justice\u003c/a>, a nonprofit that he co-founded in 2017 while incarcerated in San Quentin State Prison. The organization offers resources to survivors of violent crimes, leads transformative justice workshops to those who’ve committed crimes and holds restorative justice discussions between offenders and survivors of violent crimes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time of the organization’s inception, Khan was serving a sentence of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11720792/my-intentions-were-not-to-kill-adnan-khan-is-first-to-be-released-from-prison-under-new-law#:~:text=He%20was%20convicted%20of%20felony,of%2025%20years%20to%20life.&text=Khan%20spent%20nearly%20half%20of,in%20and%20committed%20a%20robbery.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">25 years to life\u003c/a> under California’s felony murder rule, after participating in a robbery in which his accomplice killed a person. While behind bars, Khan researched and contributed to the efforts that led to the passing of Senate Bill 1437, which allows people charged under the felony murder rule, like himself, to have their cases revisited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Khan was the first person re-sentenced under the new law, and subsequently released that day. Out of San Quentin for just over 18 months, Khan now lives in Los Angeles with his partner and newborn child, Aidan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Aidan took a nap, Khan recently took time to answer questions about this fall’s election, national politics and how to make a difference in a country where most people feel as if they have no say.\u003cem>—Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"From KQED's California Voter Guide ","link1":"https://www.kqed.org/voterguide/,All the State Props, All the Bay Area Measures","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/2020/10/KQED-Election-2020-Aside-CA-Voter-Guide.png"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Coming from your background, how do you look at the two presidential candidates that we have now, and say, ‘One of them might benefit me and the community that I come from?’\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You know, I think that a lot of focus can go to the presidential election, and I believe that there is a huge importance there. But as many of us do know, mass incarceration is a systemic problem, it’s a new form of slavery… And what I’ve learned is that when it comes to mass incarceration or prison, \u003ca href=\"https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">90% of the people are in state prisons and local jails\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, when it comes to this voting cycle, it’s really important to know who your governor is, who your state senators are, who your state assembly members are, who your mayor is, who elects the police chief, and who’s your city council, who are your people who can defund the police and reallocate that money. Once I started learning more of the process, I learned that [those] can be very important pieces to focus on the larger pictures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, when it comes to the big debate of the lesser of two evils: Kamala Harris, what she’s done toward the contribution of mass incarceration, and Joe Biden, the ’94 crime bill, and what he’s done with the contribution to mass incarceration is horrible. So a lot of people, morally, feel like they can’t vote for them. But not picking the lesser of two evils, and just settling with the larger evil? I personally can’t do that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The last thing I want to add to this—I’ve constantly reflected on this a lot—is as a person who has experienced many losses, and done 16 years in prison, and starting at a maximum security prison as a young adult, I \u003cem>lived\u003c/em> in losses. So, we learn how to maneuver around loss, and what that looks like, how to survive another day, if not a moment, with the correctional staff. I lived under an authoritarian state for 16 years, I lived in autocracy for 16 years. And I’m seeing the parallels with the Trump administration. For me, I can’t see voting for Trump.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13887822\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13887822\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside-800x534.jpg\" alt=\"Adnan Khan, pictured here while incarcerated at San Quentin.\" width=\"800\" height=\"534\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside-768x513.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Inside.jpg 1020w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Adnan Khan, pictured here while incarcerated at San Quentin. ‘My amends now would be incomplete if it was only telling someone that I’m sorry,’ Khan says, ‘without preventing a child from committing the same harm that I did.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy Adnan Khan)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How did you get inspired enough to do something to change your situation? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>First, I took the steps to educate myself. As you know, in prison, access to information and knowledge is very limited, and it’s done intentionally. I think that gave me more of a hunger, more than anything. Early on in my incarceration, I wanted to investigate my conditions. And as I started to investigate my conditions, I learned that, whoa, there’s a whole systemic thing going on here. And as I kept digging and digging, while living what I’m reading, it was just enlightening. Not in a good way, but in a frustrating way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another thing that’s very personal to me, as we talk about agency, is that I take full responsibility for my crime and for the harm that I’ve caused. And in order for me to take full responsibility, one, I have to acknowledge what I did, and then two, I have to make a living amends. Which means, how do I repair the damage that I’ve caused? But then, in order for me to even do that, I have to understand: how did I go from an eight-year-old little league baseball player to an 18-year-old with a life sentence?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And once I learned how that happened, my amends now would be incomplete if it was only telling someone that I’m sorry, without preventing a child from committing the same harm that I did. And that is rooted in policy, and how our society is structured, and how marginalized children are criminalized in schools. So my amends and my remorse can be there, but it’s incomplete unless I learn about the conditions that led me to commit my crime in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>That’s tight—it’s like, looking at yourself, and taking agency within your own path and your own experience, and also seeing how society failed you. And then seeing that no one else falls through that same crack.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think it’s very misleading to society for someone to take 100% responsibility for the wrong that they’ve done. There are, as you know, societal factors, contributing factors. Like I said, I was 17 years-old. Parentless, homeless, high school dropout. The police showed up after I committed a crime. And so, school: nothing there. Parents: didn’t have any. Didn’t have literally any place to stay. I slept in cars and parks and friends’ houses for like a year. I can take full responsibility—which, I do take full responsibility, for me—but public safety is still at risk if we don’t change conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>To people who feel removed, people that don’t see themselves represented right now by this two-party system, or by local politics, or people who just feel disenfranchised, and don’t have agency—to my young homies who are 18 years-old and have that mindset like, ‘America ain’t mine’—what do you tell them? How do you tell them to get involved?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well, I feel like America wasn’t mine either, right? It’s true. The inception of this country is built on property, wealth, and land. Built quite literally over bodies, on genocide. And then enslaving people and then bringing them here. When the constitution was written, they didn’t think about abolishing slavery at that time. So everything they built was to protect themselves, or to protect property. And policing was to protect the property-owning people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13887821\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13887821\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-800x590.jpg\" alt=\"Adnan Khan stands in the Re:Store Justice transitional home in Oakland shortly after his release from San Quentin.\" width=\"800\" height=\"590\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-800x590.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-1020x752.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-160x118.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-768x566.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland-1536x1133.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Adnan.Oakland.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Adnan Khan stands in the Re:Store Justice transitional home in Oakland shortly after his release from San Quentin. \u003ccite>(Hope McKenney/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>To the young people, I want to say that this is your time. Because more young people are starting to think like you, and are activating. Activation is physical, it’s a verb. You gotta do. Doing, not meaning talking, but going and doing. And more people are doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What country do you want to live in the next 20 years? Next 15 years? I’ve got a little boy here, and what happens in the next four to eight years is going to be his future. We can set that. You want it, it’s yours. There’s a commercial with an athlete saying that “Greatness isn’t given, it’s taken—you gotta go get it.” Don’t feel like power comes from not participating. Because once you give power away, then you let someone control you, and that’s what’s been happening forever.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Building off of that, after the election, no matter how it goes, what are your hopes and goals for the future of the country? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The most important thing to me is strategy. And as we organize and mobilize, it’s important to educate people on what to do and how to do it. A lot of people’s advocacy is what they read on the 280-character tweet. There’s a lot of people who are more interested in abolition, new systems, or whatever, that have come out in the past six or seven months than there have been in my entire life. To organize means to collect people, and then make sure the mobilizing is mobilizing toward a direction. So the next few years is going to be rooted in strategy for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If we choose to go through what we have, the democratic process, let’s start electing our own. I truly feel like, based on QAnon and all this nonsense that’s happening, this is probably the end of the Republican party. And the Democratic party is more like center-right. Meanwhile there’s this entire party that’s emerging—or has always been around, but it’s being added to, as we’re seeing across the nation—what people are calling the progressive party. There is a third party whose needs are not fully represented, whose ideas are not implemented in society. And so, that’s going to be an interesting political party. I feel like that’s going to be emerging, and fast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Learn more about Adnan Khan’s work by visiting \u003ca href=\"https://restorecal.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Re:Store Justice\u003c/a>. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13887701/whats-on-your-ballot-adnan-khan-prisoners-advocate","authors":["11491"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_835","arts_235"],"tags":["arts_10112","arts_10278","arts_10422","arts_5826","arts_1526","arts_7530","arts_1985","arts_12381"],"featImg":"arts_13887823","label":"arts"},"arts_13883580":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13883580","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13883580","score":null,"sort":[1595613807000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"planting-justices-prison-abolition-work-starts-at-the-root","title":"Planting Justice’s Prison Abolition Work Starts at the Root","publishDate":1595613807,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Planting Justice’s Prison Abolition Work Starts at the Root | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>[dropcap]R[/dropcap]olling River Nursery is an oasis of tranquility in deep East Oakland, with over 1,100 varieties of fragrant herbs, vibrant flowers, fruit-bearing trees, berry bushes and vegetable beds that stretch on for two acres. As the staff here nurtures the plants, they nurture themselves too—not long ago, many of them were confined to cells in California’s notoriously overcrowded prison system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rasheed Lockheart, reentry coordinator at \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Planting Justice\u003c/a>, the nonprofit that runs the nursery, was released only a few months ago after serving 18 years in San Quentin State Prison for an armed robbery. A few short months after he left the facility, a botched prison transfer sparked a disastrous COVID-19 outbreak in San Quentin. Now, over 1,200 inmates have been infected and 12 have died.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lockheart was fortunate to be home by the time COVID-19 hit San Quentin, but he says he has survivor’s guilt. A couple of the guys he knows are recovering from the illness in \u003ca href=\"https://thestreetspirit.org/2020/07/17/i-am-incarcerated-at-san-quentin-i-have-covid-19/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">cramped, unsanitary conditions, with inadequate medical care\u003c/a>. The EMTs he worked with when he was a firefighter there are getting triple the amount of emergency calls a day. And a friend wrote him a letter to say goodbye in case he didn’t survive the outbreak.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would have to imagine it’s like death row. You know an execution’s coming, you’re just not sure when. And that’s tragic,” says Lockheart, looking down and taking a long pause to compose himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It breaks my heart to think of some of the good men I left behind because I—it’s like they’re being victimized, you know. We all deserve a second chance. Some of us were on our third or fourth. But no one deserves what’s happening inside of San Quentin.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lockheart is doing everything he can to advocate for those on the inside, and his work at Planting Justice is part of that mission. He’s become an unofficial media spokesperson, doing interviews with \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13881942/what-would-a-police-free-oakland-look-like\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">KQED\u003c/a>, PRX’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/podcasts/449018144/snap-judgment\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Snap Judgment\u003c/em>\u003c/a> podcast, \u003ca href=\"https://oaklandside.org/2020/07/16/leaving-prison-during-pandemic-and-protest-and-planting-seeds-of-justice/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Oaklandside\u003c/a> and others, using his firsthand experience and ongoing communication with those inside to shed light on the growing crisis inside California’s prison walls. [aside postid='news_11826188']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The same thoughts keep running through his mind. “That guy sitting in his cell wondering if he’s going to outlive his sentence, all the amends he made or wants to make—will he get to see that through? Will he get to be like me and the numerous other people who are formerly incarcerated and are doing great things in the community right now? I think about them and that my voice has to be in advocacy for them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13883867\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13883867\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024.jpg 1086w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rasheed Lockheart and Ashley Yates (left to right) of Planting Justice. \u003ccite>(Nastia Voynovskaya)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]B[/dropcap]eyond the urgency of the San Quentin COVID outbreak, Lockheart’s day-to-day work at Planting Justice is about the longterm project of prison abolition, which means working with people to build healthier communities. The definition of that is manifold. It means helping formerly incarcerated people get on their feet through green jobs at Planting Justice, awakening them to a new sense of purpose by building raised flower beds for clients and tending to plants at the organization’s \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/nursery-sogorea-te\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nursery\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/farm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">farm\u003c/a>. It means \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/food-justice-education\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">teaching\u003c/a> about sustainability and food justice in public school classrooms, juvenile detention centers, jails and prisons. It means helping people who live in food deserts start \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/community-justice-garden-hub-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">urban gardens\u003c/a>. It means handing out free kale smoothies at Castlemont High School during a time when many are going hungry because of the pandemic-induced recession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If we go in and teach these people how to grow their own food and how to be sustainable—the Black Panther Party got it right,” Lockheart says. “With no food and no options, [people are] gonna go get it how they can. And unfortunately, that’s crime. And crime equals prison. We wanna abolish the prisons, we wanna abolish all these systems, but we first have to plant the seeds of love, trust and sustainability.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lockheart and his fellow reentry coordinator Diane Williams sow those seeds by helping their colleagues get acclimated to life outside of prison, sometimes in ways people who’ve never been incarcerated may take for granted. Planting Justice gives “former residents,” as formerly incarcerated people are called there, clothing and food stipends; Lockheart and Williams help them navigate bureaucratic tasks such as reinstating a drivers license after a DUI. They offer emotional support too. Meditation circles are as much a part of the workday as pulling weeds and watering strawberries and squashes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Really it’s believing in them and whatever they bring to the table that’s positive, encourage that,” says Williams, who brings 40 years of social work and substance-abuse counseling experience to Planting Justice. “So much stuff that happened to us as a little kids, we keep recycling it as adults until we process it and move on. So we’re just helping each other move on here.” [aside postid='arts_13881199']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]P[/dropcap]lanting Justice takes a big-picture view of how access to healthy and environmentally conscious practices can help address some of the wounds of systemic racism and mass incarceration. Another one of the organization’s projects zooms out even further, addressing the ways the unjust systems that marginalize Black and Indigenous communities began with colonialism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The organization collaborated with the \u003ca href=\"https://sogoreate-landtrust.org/?fbclid=IwAR3CPRen3DnT-giCwsXsgKRDdW_4BfzVk2gO88NN1lbbvnXsiuPR4gqgpfY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sogorea Te Land Trust\u003c/a> to give two acres of land back to people of the Ohlone community of Northern California. The Ohlone people aren’t a federally recognized tribe, nor do they have a land base. Now, two acres of the Rolling River Nursery are an Ohlone cultural heritage site and a space for ceremony.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13883868\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13883868\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024.jpg 1086w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rolling River Nursery in East Oakland. \u003ccite>(Nastia Voynovskaya)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Williams, who is part of the Native American community and helped organize the partnership, says that Ohlone ideas of land as sacred inform Planting Justice’s work. “It’s a love,” she says. “You can’t tell people, ‘You’ve got to love this land because it’s supporting you.’ No. It’s something you have to develop for people who’ve been separated from the land.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Understanding the history of colonization is the deeper work,” echoes Planting Justice media director Ashley Yates. “When you control the land, you control the people, you control the resources. And when we’re talking about BIPOC communities, you understand there’s also a disconnect that’s intentional because our spirituality and our communities are vested in the earth. We are an earth-reverent people. So when you disconnect people from that, you disconnect people from their power.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote citation='Rasheed Lockheart']“We wanna abolish the prisons, we wanna abolish all these systems, but we first have to plant the seeds of love, trust and sustainability.”[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yates moved to Oakland and began working with Planting Justice after leaving her hometown of St. Louis, Missouri. She was a frontline activist when the first major Black Lives Matter protests erupted after police officer Darren Wilson killed Ferguson teenager Mike Brown. She feared for her safety after the protests, recalling militarized police tanks parked outside her house. Oakland drew her because of its history of Black organizing, and she’s found a calling within Planting Justice’s environmental form of civil rights activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A lot of the time you have to get into the soil, into the root,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mass incarceration, food insecurity, land sovereignty—the interlocking issues Planting Justice tries to address with a few acres of soil, some plants and a small team of a few dozen staff members are overwhelming in scope. But the day-to-day ritual of working the land provides solace, too, and some hope that a more just future will grow from each seed planted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s what nature does, it reminds us of how free things are,” Lockheart says. “I don’t think you realize how free you are until you’re amongst things that are actually free.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"As the COVID-19 outbreak rages inside of San Quentin, a nursery and farm have become a base for formerly incarcerated people’s activism.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705020379,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":22,"wordCount":1424},"headData":{"title":"Planting Justice’s Prison Abolition Work Starts at the Root | KQED","description":"As the COVID-19 outbreak rages inside of San Quentin, a nursery and farm have become a base for formerly incarcerated people’s activism.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Planting Justice’s Prison Abolition Work Starts at the Root","datePublished":"2020-07-24T18:03:27.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-12T00:46:19.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/arts/13883580/planting-justices-prison-abolition-work-starts-at-the-root","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">R\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>olling River Nursery is an oasis of tranquility in deep East Oakland, with over 1,100 varieties of fragrant herbs, vibrant flowers, fruit-bearing trees, berry bushes and vegetable beds that stretch on for two acres. As the staff here nurtures the plants, they nurture themselves too—not long ago, many of them were confined to cells in California’s notoriously overcrowded prison system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rasheed Lockheart, reentry coordinator at \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Planting Justice\u003c/a>, the nonprofit that runs the nursery, was released only a few months ago after serving 18 years in San Quentin State Prison for an armed robbery. A few short months after he left the facility, a botched prison transfer sparked a disastrous COVID-19 outbreak in San Quentin. Now, over 1,200 inmates have been infected and 12 have died.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lockheart was fortunate to be home by the time COVID-19 hit San Quentin, but he says he has survivor’s guilt. A couple of the guys he knows are recovering from the illness in \u003ca href=\"https://thestreetspirit.org/2020/07/17/i-am-incarcerated-at-san-quentin-i-have-covid-19/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">cramped, unsanitary conditions, with inadequate medical care\u003c/a>. The EMTs he worked with when he was a firefighter there are getting triple the amount of emergency calls a day. And a friend wrote him a letter to say goodbye in case he didn’t survive the outbreak.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would have to imagine it’s like death row. You know an execution’s coming, you’re just not sure when. And that’s tragic,” says Lockheart, looking down and taking a long pause to compose himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It breaks my heart to think of some of the good men I left behind because I—it’s like they’re being victimized, you know. We all deserve a second chance. Some of us were on our third or fourth. But no one deserves what’s happening inside of San Quentin.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lockheart is doing everything he can to advocate for those on the inside, and his work at Planting Justice is part of that mission. He’s become an unofficial media spokesperson, doing interviews with \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13881942/what-would-a-police-free-oakland-look-like\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">KQED\u003c/a>, PRX’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/podcasts/449018144/snap-judgment\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Snap Judgment\u003c/em>\u003c/a> podcast, \u003ca href=\"https://oaklandside.org/2020/07/16/leaving-prison-during-pandemic-and-protest-and-planting-seeds-of-justice/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Oaklandside\u003c/a> and others, using his firsthand experience and ongoing communication with those inside to shed light on the growing crisis inside California’s prison walls. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11826188","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The same thoughts keep running through his mind. “That guy sitting in his cell wondering if he’s going to outlive his sentence, all the amends he made or wants to make—will he get to see that through? Will he get to be like me and the numerous other people who are formerly incarcerated and are doing great things in the community right now? I think about them and that my voice has to be in advocacy for them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13883867\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13883867\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5467_1024.jpg 1086w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rasheed Lockheart and Ashley Yates (left to right) of Planting Justice. \u003ccite>(Nastia Voynovskaya)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">B\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>eyond the urgency of the San Quentin COVID outbreak, Lockheart’s day-to-day work at Planting Justice is about the longterm project of prison abolition, which means working with people to build healthier communities. The definition of that is manifold. It means helping formerly incarcerated people get on their feet through green jobs at Planting Justice, awakening them to a new sense of purpose by building raised flower beds for clients and tending to plants at the organization’s \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/nursery-sogorea-te\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nursery\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/farm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">farm\u003c/a>. It means \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/food-justice-education\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">teaching\u003c/a> about sustainability and food justice in public school classrooms, juvenile detention centers, jails and prisons. It means helping people who live in food deserts start \u003ca href=\"https://plantingjustice.org/community-justice-garden-hub-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">urban gardens\u003c/a>. It means handing out free kale smoothies at Castlemont High School during a time when many are going hungry because of the pandemic-induced recession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If we go in and teach these people how to grow their own food and how to be sustainable—the Black Panther Party got it right,” Lockheart says. “With no food and no options, [people are] gonna go get it how they can. And unfortunately, that’s crime. And crime equals prison. We wanna abolish the prisons, we wanna abolish all these systems, but we first have to plant the seeds of love, trust and sustainability.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lockheart and his fellow reentry coordinator Diane Williams sow those seeds by helping their colleagues get acclimated to life outside of prison, sometimes in ways people who’ve never been incarcerated may take for granted. Planting Justice gives “former residents,” as formerly incarcerated people are called there, clothing and food stipends; Lockheart and Williams help them navigate bureaucratic tasks such as reinstating a drivers license after a DUI. They offer emotional support too. Meditation circles are as much a part of the workday as pulling weeds and watering strawberries and squashes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Really it’s believing in them and whatever they bring to the table that’s positive, encourage that,” says Williams, who brings 40 years of social work and substance-abuse counseling experience to Planting Justice. “So much stuff that happened to us as a little kids, we keep recycling it as adults until we process it and move on. So we’re just helping each other move on here.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13881199","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">P\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>lanting Justice takes a big-picture view of how access to healthy and environmentally conscious practices can help address some of the wounds of systemic racism and mass incarceration. Another one of the organization’s projects zooms out even further, addressing the ways the unjust systems that marginalize Black and Indigenous communities began with colonialism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The organization collaborated with the \u003ca href=\"https://sogoreate-landtrust.org/?fbclid=IwAR3CPRen3DnT-giCwsXsgKRDdW_4BfzVk2gO88NN1lbbvnXsiuPR4gqgpfY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sogorea Te Land Trust\u003c/a> to give two acres of land back to people of the Ohlone community of Northern California. The Ohlone people aren’t a federally recognized tribe, nor do they have a land base. Now, two acres of the Rolling River Nursery are an Ohlone cultural heritage site and a space for ceremony.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13883868\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13883868\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/thumb_IMG_5485_1024.jpg 1086w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rolling River Nursery in East Oakland. \u003ccite>(Nastia Voynovskaya)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Williams, who is part of the Native American community and helped organize the partnership, says that Ohlone ideas of land as sacred inform Planting Justice’s work. “It’s a love,” she says. “You can’t tell people, ‘You’ve got to love this land because it’s supporting you.’ No. It’s something you have to develop for people who’ve been separated from the land.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Understanding the history of colonization is the deeper work,” echoes Planting Justice media director Ashley Yates. “When you control the land, you control the people, you control the resources. And when we’re talking about BIPOC communities, you understand there’s also a disconnect that’s intentional because our spirituality and our communities are vested in the earth. We are an earth-reverent people. So when you disconnect people from that, you disconnect people from their power.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"“We wanna abolish the prisons, we wanna abolish all these systems, but we first have to plant the seeds of love, trust and sustainability.”","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"citation":"Rasheed Lockheart","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yates moved to Oakland and began working with Planting Justice after leaving her hometown of St. Louis, Missouri. She was a frontline activist when the first major Black Lives Matter protests erupted after police officer Darren Wilson killed Ferguson teenager Mike Brown. She feared for her safety after the protests, recalling militarized police tanks parked outside her house. Oakland drew her because of its history of Black organizing, and she’s found a calling within Planting Justice’s environmental form of civil rights activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A lot of the time you have to get into the soil, into the root,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mass incarceration, food insecurity, land sovereignty—the interlocking issues Planting Justice tries to address with a few acres of soil, some plants and a small team of a few dozen staff members are overwhelming in scope. But the day-to-day ritual of working the land provides solace, too, and some hope that a more just future will grow from each seed planted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s what nature does, it reminds us of how free things are,” Lockheart says. “I don’t think you realize how free you are until you’re amongst things that are actually free.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13883580/planting-justices-prison-abolition-work-starts-at-the-root","authors":["11387"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_235"],"tags":["arts_10126","arts_10127","arts_10342","arts_10278","arts_1297","arts_7530","arts_1985"],"featImg":"arts_13883866","label":"arts"},"arts_13880011":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13880011","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13880011","score":null,"sort":[1589234458000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"mozzys-new-album-processes-trauma-incarceration-by-documenting-his-healing","title":"Mozzy's New Album Processes Trauma, Incarceration by Documenting His Healing","publishDate":1589234458,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Mozzy’s New Album Processes Trauma, Incarceration by Documenting His Healing | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>Mozzy has carried his community with him throughout his career. So for the release of his new album \u003cem>Beyond Bulletproof\u003c/em>—which dropped May 1 on EMPIRE—the beloved Sacramento rapper opted against streaming giants Spotify and Apple Music to host the record’s debut. Instead, he premiered it on JPay—an electronic communications service for incarcerated people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I got a lot of people in there, man, a lot of people counting on me,” says Mozzy, whose real name is Timothy Patterson. “A lot of people that shared this dream with me… and I feel like they’re supposed to be right here. We supposed to be sharing this experience.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Beyond Bulletproof\u003c/em> is a “self-help book for the trenches,” Mozzy says. The street raps and unglamourous portrayals of gang life, gun violence and the pain remain, but with a concerted effort to share wisdom earned through self-reflection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://youtu.be/DIQ24uiuHOI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s a lightness to the record, too—the lilting flute on “So Lonely,” the gentle guitar opening on “Bulletproofly” and the muted sample of Mario’s ’90s R&B classic “Let Me Love You” on “Big Homie from the Hood.” The singers Mozzy employs throughout the record—Shordie Shordie, Blxst and Eric Bellinger—soften the edges of Mozzy’s trademark gruff voice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With nods to his incarcerated loved ones and his own time in jail woven throughout the record, Mozzy manages to share his dream with those behind bars. Throughout the album, he recalls not having enough to buy food in jail, a backwards legal system and his grief for loved ones with no release date in sight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://open.spotify.com/embed/album/3Ud5r7QHfMF1UhH8a5M1cH\" width=\"300\" height=\"380\" frameborder=\"0\" allowtransparency=\"true\" allow=\"encrypted-media\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recently, the COVID-19 pandemic has made things more challenging for incarcerated people. The nearly 2.3 million people locked up in prisons and jails across the country can’t take the same precautions as those of us outside, including maintaining a six-foot distance and thoroughly cleaning hands and surfaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To mitigate the spread of the virus, federal facilities and California prisons went on lockdown last month. The measure is meant to protect the safety of incarcerated people and staff, but in action it looks a lot like the way facilities respond to riots. The protocol varies, but lockdown restrictions typically include an end to visitation, confining people to their cells for up to 23 hours a day and limiting access to day rooms, mail collection, phone calls and educational programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Without the few avenues that keep incarcerated people connected to the outside world, the isolation they feel inside a facility is magnified, with potentially harmful impacts on their emotional and mental wellbeing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://youtu.be/tr_3UXNTmEI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Mozzy was incarcerated, his favorite songs became mantras that gave him fortitude. The lyrics were buoys during his stints in Sacramento County Jail, and in 2014, when he served one year in San Quentin State Prison on gun charges. “When you locked up,” Mozzy says, “you write letters to your family members or your loved ones, and you ask them to print out lyrics to certain songs.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under lockdown, those with access to a JPay tablet are among the only ones with access to the kind of art that kept Mozzy going.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JPay is a private communications service that allows incarcerated people to send emails, have video calls, receive money and access music, books and podcasts. The tablet averages $69.99, and users must pay every time they send an email or download media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s costly—a single song can cost $2.50 and an album can cost as much as $45—but it’s all that’s available.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Incarcerated people “were the ones who listened to my music in depth—that whole system, like that whole institution. I get so much love, so much good feedback from them,” Mozzy says. “I just wanted to reciprocate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he does. Mozzy often shows up for his incarcerated loved ones, among which he counts his favorite uncle GP the Beast, friends Lil Nick and Hot Boy Sean and many more. “This whole interview will be a list of people if I shouted everybody out,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He writes letters, sends photos, loads their Green Dot prepaid cards and posts bail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m the first person they call when they’re locked up,” Mozzy says. He did that before he became the rapper who was featured on the \u003cem>Black Panther\u003c/em> soundtrack and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13842545/mozzy-on-gangland-landlord-kendrick-and-how-a-persistent-grind-pays-off\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">got a shout-out from Kendrick Lamar at the Grammy Awards\u003c/a>. “It’s vice versa, you look out for somebody, and then when it’s your turn to go to jail, they look out for you.” [aside postid='arts_13877868']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Mozzy, \u003cem>Beyond Bulletproof\u003c/em> is a way to pay it forward, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The album is dedicated to his grandmother, Brenda P. Usher, who passed in 2019. Patterson, a social worker and Black Panther Party member, adopted Mozzy when he was two years old. When he was younger, Mozzy said his grandmother would often urge him to fold substance into his music, and “give the people something that they can carry with them for a lifetime.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, thanks to time, experience and learning to work through grief, that Mozzy feels he has made good on his grandmother’s wish. He pulled the curtain back on this process in the lead up to the release of \u003cem>Beyond Bulletproof\u003c/em> with “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbqeSRNd7uM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Untreated Trauma\u003c/a>,” a video series of therapy sessions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://youtu.be/ZAVuUtxc5fg\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the course of six episodes (only the first two are live now), Mozzy and his therapist Dr. Millie Rose talk about the recent death of his grandmother, his struggle to gain custody of his eldest daughter, depression and anxiety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The therapy sessions, Mozzy says, were beautiful. But it was music that played the most instrumental part in healing from his grief.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He’s not alone. Even before the pandemic hit and isolation was magnified, music was a lifeline for incarcerated people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When the police want to reward you, they play music for you,” Mozzy says. “When people would go to court, they couldn’t wait because they got to get on a bus and the radio was being played.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This time, his fans inside wouldn’t have to wait to hear the gems he wrote for them on a radio on the way to court. They got them first.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"With interviews with his therapist and a release on JPay, the platform for incarcerated people, 'Beyond Bulletproof' channels a higher purpose.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705020770,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":1117},"headData":{"title":"Mozzy's New Album Processes Trauma, Incarceration by Documenting His Healing | KQED","description":"With interviews with his therapist and a release on JPay, the platform for incarcerated people, 'Beyond Bulletproof' channels a higher purpose.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Mozzy's New Album Processes Trauma, Incarceration by Documenting His Healing","datePublished":"2020-05-11T22:00:58.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-12T00:52:50.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Montse Reyes","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/arts/13880011/mozzys-new-album-processes-trauma-incarceration-by-documenting-his-healing","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Mozzy has carried his community with him throughout his career. So for the release of his new album \u003cem>Beyond Bulletproof\u003c/em>—which dropped May 1 on EMPIRE—the beloved Sacramento rapper opted against streaming giants Spotify and Apple Music to host the record’s debut. Instead, he premiered it on JPay—an electronic communications service for incarcerated people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I got a lot of people in there, man, a lot of people counting on me,” says Mozzy, whose real name is Timothy Patterson. “A lot of people that shared this dream with me… and I feel like they’re supposed to be right here. We supposed to be sharing this experience.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Beyond Bulletproof\u003c/em> is a “self-help book for the trenches,” Mozzy says. The street raps and unglamourous portrayals of gang life, gun violence and the pain remain, but with a concerted effort to share wisdom earned through self-reflection.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/DIQ24uiuHOI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/DIQ24uiuHOI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>There’s a lightness to the record, too—the lilting flute on “So Lonely,” the gentle guitar opening on “Bulletproofly” and the muted sample of Mario’s ’90s R&B classic “Let Me Love You” on “Big Homie from the Hood.” The singers Mozzy employs throughout the record—Shordie Shordie, Blxst and Eric Bellinger—soften the edges of Mozzy’s trademark gruff voice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With nods to his incarcerated loved ones and his own time in jail woven throughout the record, Mozzy manages to share his dream with those behind bars. Throughout the album, he recalls not having enough to buy food in jail, a backwards legal system and his grief for loved ones with no release date in sight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://open.spotify.com/embed/album/3Ud5r7QHfMF1UhH8a5M1cH\" width=\"300\" height=\"380\" frameborder=\"0\" allowtransparency=\"true\" allow=\"encrypted-media\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recently, the COVID-19 pandemic has made things more challenging for incarcerated people. The nearly 2.3 million people locked up in prisons and jails across the country can’t take the same precautions as those of us outside, including maintaining a six-foot distance and thoroughly cleaning hands and surfaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To mitigate the spread of the virus, federal facilities and California prisons went on lockdown last month. The measure is meant to protect the safety of incarcerated people and staff, but in action it looks a lot like the way facilities respond to riots. The protocol varies, but lockdown restrictions typically include an end to visitation, confining people to their cells for up to 23 hours a day and limiting access to day rooms, mail collection, phone calls and educational programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Without the few avenues that keep incarcerated people connected to the outside world, the isolation they feel inside a facility is magnified, with potentially harmful impacts on their emotional and mental wellbeing.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/tr_3UXNTmEI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/tr_3UXNTmEI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>When Mozzy was incarcerated, his favorite songs became mantras that gave him fortitude. The lyrics were buoys during his stints in Sacramento County Jail, and in 2014, when he served one year in San Quentin State Prison on gun charges. “When you locked up,” Mozzy says, “you write letters to your family members or your loved ones, and you ask them to print out lyrics to certain songs.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under lockdown, those with access to a JPay tablet are among the only ones with access to the kind of art that kept Mozzy going.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JPay is a private communications service that allows incarcerated people to send emails, have video calls, receive money and access music, books and podcasts. The tablet averages $69.99, and users must pay every time they send an email or download media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s costly—a single song can cost $2.50 and an album can cost as much as $45—but it’s all that’s available.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Incarcerated people “were the ones who listened to my music in depth—that whole system, like that whole institution. I get so much love, so much good feedback from them,” Mozzy says. “I just wanted to reciprocate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he does. Mozzy often shows up for his incarcerated loved ones, among which he counts his favorite uncle GP the Beast, friends Lil Nick and Hot Boy Sean and many more. “This whole interview will be a list of people if I shouted everybody out,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He writes letters, sends photos, loads their Green Dot prepaid cards and posts bail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m the first person they call when they’re locked up,” Mozzy says. He did that before he became the rapper who was featured on the \u003cem>Black Panther\u003c/em> soundtrack and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13842545/mozzy-on-gangland-landlord-kendrick-and-how-a-persistent-grind-pays-off\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">got a shout-out from Kendrick Lamar at the Grammy Awards\u003c/a>. “It’s vice versa, you look out for somebody, and then when it’s your turn to go to jail, they look out for you.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13877868","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Mozzy, \u003cem>Beyond Bulletproof\u003c/em> is a way to pay it forward, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The album is dedicated to his grandmother, Brenda P. Usher, who passed in 2019. Patterson, a social worker and Black Panther Party member, adopted Mozzy when he was two years old. When he was younger, Mozzy said his grandmother would often urge him to fold substance into his music, and “give the people something that they can carry with them for a lifetime.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, thanks to time, experience and learning to work through grief, that Mozzy feels he has made good on his grandmother’s wish. He pulled the curtain back on this process in the lead up to the release of \u003cem>Beyond Bulletproof\u003c/em> with “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbqeSRNd7uM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Untreated Trauma\u003c/a>,” a video series of therapy sessions.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/ZAVuUtxc5fg'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/ZAVuUtxc5fg'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Over the course of six episodes (only the first two are live now), Mozzy and his therapist Dr. Millie Rose talk about the recent death of his grandmother, his struggle to gain custody of his eldest daughter, depression and anxiety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The therapy sessions, Mozzy says, were beautiful. But it was music that played the most instrumental part in healing from his grief.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He’s not alone. Even before the pandemic hit and isolation was magnified, music was a lifeline for incarcerated people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When the police want to reward you, they play music for you,” Mozzy says. “When people would go to court, they couldn’t wait because they got to get on a bus and the radio was being played.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This time, his fans inside wouldn’t have to wait to hear the gems he wrote for them on a radio on the way to court. They got them first.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13880011/mozzys-new-album-processes-trauma-incarceration-by-documenting-his-healing","authors":["byline_arts_13880011"],"categories":["arts_1"],"tags":["arts_10126","arts_10127","arts_10342","arts_10278","arts_4773","arts_3798","arts_1985"],"featImg":"arts_13880098","label":"arts"},"arts_13866705":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13866705","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13866705","score":null,"sort":[1568920946000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-do-list-listen-to-our-event-picks-for-sept-19-25","title":"The Do List: Listen to Our Event Picks for Sept. 19–25","publishDate":1568920946,"format":"audio","headTitle":"The Do List: Listen to Our Event Picks for Sept. 19–25 | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":140,"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>The weekend is almost here. Hooray!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Looking for things to do? Listen to KQED Arts’ Gabe Meline and Sarah Hotchkiss discuss their event picks at the audio link above, or read about each event below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Charo\u003c/strong>: Ms. “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB8K93NG8qc\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Cuchi Cuchi\u003c/a>” herself, Charo, is still at it, and this weekend she plays her first show in the Bay Area in ten years. Now, I’m not crazy, hear me out—I saw Charo once and it was so ridiculous, and so fun, I have never been the same since. In San Francisco, she’s bound to have a loyal camp following in the audience, but don’t forget her guitar playing and hilarious, self-effacing jokes. She plays on Friday, Sept. 20, at the Herbst Theater in San Francisco. \u003ca href=\"https://www.koshercomedy.com/charo\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Free Museum Day\u003c/strong>: Officially, Sarah’s recommendation is to call in sick on Thursday, Sept. 19. That’s because a bunch of the museums around Yerba Buena Gardens, including SFMOMA, the Museum of the African Diaspora, YBCA and the Contemporary Jewish Museum are all opening their doors for free. It’s a celebration they’re calling Culture for Community, and most of the arts and culture institutions (over a dozen total) have extended hours and special programming happening—all of it completely free (though SFMOMA does recommend reserving your tickets in advance). \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13866548/free-entry-at-sfmoma-moad-other-yerba-buena-museums-this-thursday\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>’50 Faces’\u003c/strong>: This populist show is a collection from Italy of mosaic images of celebrities, and other figures: Carlos Santana, Frida Kahlo, David Bowie, Basquiat. Total Instagram bait, if we’re being honest. Sarah is unsettled by the Frida Kahlo portrait’s tiny doll hand earrings hanging off her mosaic ears, and I’m brave enough to admit that this is not high art. But if you’re like me, you have a side of you that loves this stuff. It opens Saturday, Sept. 21, at the Marin Museum of Contemporary Art in Novato, and runs through Nov. 10. \u003ca href=\"https://marinmoca.org/exhibitions/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>‘Cities of the Future’\u003c/strong>: In this show, artists from San Quentin State Prison made one diorama depicting a city of the present, and a second diorama that imagines a city 300 years in the future. This is all made out of paper, cardboard, paint—the models are incredibly detailed. Sarah got to visit the art program at San Quentin just a few weeks ago, and the level of talent in that studio, she attests, is impressive. It’s on view at 2100 Milvia Street in downtown Berkeley through March 2020. \u003ca href=\"http://www.kala.org/exhibition/cities-of-the-future/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>‘The Man in Black’\u003c/strong>: Who can pull of a ballet based on the music of Johnny Cash? SMUIN Ballet, that’s who. Created by James Kudelka, ‘The Man in Black’ is a ballet based on five of Johnny Cash’s songs—which also runs along dances based on the music of Dave Brubeck and \u003cem>Carmina Burana\u003c/em>. That’s on Friday and Saturday, Sept. 20 and 21, at the Lesher Center in Walnut Creek. \u003ca href=\"https://lesherartscenter.showare.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=1272\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hank Williams Tribute\u003c/strong>: Meanwhile, to coincide with Ken Burns’ Country Music documentary, up in Petaluma there’s a live music tribute to the Hillbilly Shakespeare himself, Hank Williams. It features an all-star cast of local musicians and benefits KRCB public radio. “Lovesick Blues,” “Hey Good Lookin’,” “Your Cheatin’ Heart”—it all goes down on Saturday, Sept. 21, at the Mystic Theatre. \u003ca href=\"https://mystictheatre.tunestub.com/event.cfm?id=302320\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705022120,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":10,"wordCount":598},"headData":{"title":"The Do List: Listen to Our Event Picks for Sept. 19–25 | KQED","description":"The weekend is almost here. Hooray! Looking for things to do? Listen to KQED Arts’ Gabe Meline and Sarah Hotchkiss discuss their event picks at the audio link above, or read about each event below. 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