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He’s just gotten back from doing visuals at Coachella with LA psych rockers Jjuujjuu. And while Panchiko’s Berkeley tour stop might be Rodell’s first time working with the British indie band, he’s doing anything but playing it safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You always want to envelop the audience so there’s visuals in your peripheral,” Rodell says as he juggles software platforms on his computer, which is connected to different MIDI controllers and analog hardware. “Lose your senses. Get lost in a show. … So I’m gonna try something really risky.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The show is about to start, yet Rodell — who lives in San Francisco’s Sunset district — is still downloading new digital art code packets from his command center next to the sound booth. He wants to project a deep-cut Sega Saturn warning graphic to make it look like the band is playing inside of an old video game — a fitting decision given that Panchiko’s young, internet-obsessed fanbase \u003ca href=\"https://www.34st.com/article/2024/04/resurrection-of-panchiko-lost-wave-band-comeback\">unearthed their music online\u003c/a> almost 20 years after it was first released.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13957285\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13957285\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2300\" height=\"1533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell.jpg 2300w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2300px) 100vw, 2300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chokecherry performs at the Chapel in San Francisco on April 12, surrounded by Zach Rodell’s visuals. \u003ccite>(Greg Chow)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Rodell typically begins his process by recording a band on stage, then projecting that footage live onto a venue’s walls while layering it with fuzzed-out graphics and trippy, distorted colors. It creates a kind of living, breathing visual companion to the music, whose metamorphosis unfolds before the audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Panchiko’s performance feels like a full-on audiovisual ecosystem. The band plays in front of a live superimposition of themselves soaked in Rodell’s digital watercolors, layered atop anime and gaming graphics. At the end of the night, Rodell is pleased with himself, even though he says wi-fi issues prevented him from executing all the “risks” he wanted to take, including a live AI art projection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Regardless, the band is stoked, and Rodell gets confirmed to work with Panchiko for their next seven tour dates. Not to mention, he still has the second weekend of Coachella to head down to.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Elevating the concert experience\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Coupled with his regular lighting and visual technician gigs at San Francisco rooms like Rickshaw Stop, Great American Music Hall and The Chapel, Rodell’s work is in demand. He was in talks to do visuals for André 3000’s Big Sur show this past April at Henry Miller Library, before road closures on Highway 1 forced a postponement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Oakland band \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13928718/fake-fruit-is-the-best-emerging-band-in-the-bay-is-the-universe-conspiring-against-them\">Fake Fruit\u003c/a> headlined a bill at Rickshaw Stop earlier this year, Rodell wrapped a canvas around the entire room to create 360-degree projections. At one point, it felt like the band and audience were inside a psychedelic aquarium. It was sick.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Every show that Zach works, he elevates,” says Rickshaw Stop Head of Operations Dan Strachota.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://youtu.be/ui5I-YwbaKs?si=VuF6UBb71BqsTMnr&t=155\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rodell’s rise comes at a fortuitous time in the live music industry, where promoters and consumers are swarming over the idea of concerts that are visually enhanced. Look no further than the Sphere in Las Vegas for the alpha example of this: It’s an immersive, 18,600-person concert hall where attendees are inside of a live music snow globe of sorts, featuring a 360-degree 16K LED visual display, spatial audio and 4D effects. U2 and Phish played widely publicized residencies since it opened last September, and Dead & Company have a 24-show run starting this month.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Continuing a psychedelic SF legacy\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When it comes to Dead & Co especially, it’s hard to not think about how this represents an evolution of the ’60s Grateful Dead shows in SF venues like the Avalon and Carousel Ballroom. Visual artists like Bill Ham and Glenn McKay created psychedelic, oil-spinning light shows, making venues feel like the inside of a lava lamp — a perfect place to indulge in hallucinogens. Rodell is friends with the 92-year old Ham, and his work builds upon that ’60s San Francisco tradition. Even if it happened by accident.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rodell grew up in the Inland Empire city of Rancho Cucamonga. “I love that it’s my hometown. Frank Zappa got arrested here,” he says with a smile. [aside postid='arts_13956541']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He went to school for airplane mechanics and made a move to East Palo Alto in 2012 to live with a girl he met on a Coachella message board. (“I ran into Mark Zuckerberg once, and he wouldn’t let me pet his dog,” he quips.) He was working at a startup that made oil-less generators, and immersed himself in live music and festival culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While volunteering at Sonoma County’s psych-rock staple, Huichica Festival, in 2015, Rodell found himself backstage talking to — of all people — Dead Kennedys frontman and SF political jester Jello Biafra.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We were talking about how Bernie [Sanders] just lost the primary, and Jello was like, ‘I can’t talk about this stuff ’cause the Green Party will be all up on me,’” Rodell recalls. “So he changes the subject and was like, ‘Look at all this lighting stuff!’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biafra was referencing the spinning platters adorned with oils, dyes and inks that Mad Alchemy Light Show’s Lance Gordon began making in the ’70s and revived in the late aughts after a decades-long hiatus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gordon was inspired by the likes of Ham, McKay and Brotherhood of Light, artists who helped cement the live legacies of the Grateful Dead, Big Brother and the Holding Company and The Allman Brothers Band. These acts were seen as truly psychedelic performers. Today, Mad Alchemy is, by all accounts, the modern day benchmark for psychedelic light shows.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13957284\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13957284\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2300\" height=\"1533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell.jpg 2300w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2300px) 100vw, 2300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">JJuujjuu performs at the Chapel in San Francisco, surrounded by Zach Rodell’s visuals. \u003ccite>(Greg Chow)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Intrigued, Rodell got Gordon’s card, followed up and was soon working with him as an assistant. He broke up with the girl and dove deeper into his work with Mad Alchemy, including a yearly stint at Desert Daze festival in Joshua Tree, which has grown into the nation’s premier psych music fest. (He’s worked Desert Daze seven times, creating visuals for over 100 artists in the process.) Rodell gleaned much from Gordon, but the pair had a falling out in 2018. They briefly came back together during the pandemic in 2020, and Rodell set off on his own for good in 2021.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Mad Alchemy is only liquids — it’s beautiful — but I want to do all types of visuals. I’m not trying to copy his stuff,” Rodell says. “I like cam footage and repurposing the footage of the band into art, and it’s mostly improv. The more I have to put thought into something or worry about it, I find myself not having as much fun.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He learns new techniques online, watching YouTube videos, staying active on forums, always looking for new modes to add to his arsenal. Over the years, he’s worked with bands from all over the world, in all edges of psychedelia, pushing the envelope of the complete experience. Australia’s Surprise Chef, Afro-soul collective Budos Band, New Zealand psych-folk singer Aldous Harding, LA dreamy indie outfit The Marías, Bronx funk legends ESG, Zamrock pioneers W.I.T.C.H., local luminary \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13956541/shannon-shaw-the-clams-the-moon-is-in-the-wrong-place\">Shannon Shaw\u003c/a>, Stereolab’s Laetitia Sadier and so forth.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Trippy visuals for a new generation\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Fast forward to a recent Friday night at The Chapel in San Francisco’s Mission District, and Rodell is erecting scaffolding to mount his enormous, 65-pound projector to do visuals for SF shoegaze band LSD and the Search For God, along with Jjuujjuu and Chokecherry. Jjuujjuu is bringing Rodell to Coachella with them later that weekend. Bandleader Phil Pirrone — who also happens to have founded the Desert Daze festival — knows exactly why Rodell is the artist he wants to accompany the band on music’s biggest stage at Coachella.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our show is less about us and more about you,” Pirrone says. “He helps facilitate that. For our kind of band, and for Zach as the kind of projection artist he is, it always feels like it completes the intention of it to be an out-of-body experience.” [aside postid='arts_13957227']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With Rodell’s help, a band can have this living organism behind them, almost like a kinetic, phonetic embodiment of the music. Just as Bill Ham and Glenn McKay intended in the ’60s, the visuals help audiences let go of their inhibitions and feel more alive. For Rodell — who enjoys his morning coffee while looking out at Ocean Beach, and drives his gear solo to gigs, even Coachella — his art is an extension of a deeply personal connection to live music. One that he hopes to pass on to others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m just hoping down the line I’m gonna meet some kid who was like, ‘I tripped balls to your shows in high school!’” he exclaims. “I wanna hear that, that someone had an amazing time at a show, and the visuals helped it out and made the band look cool.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"His kaleidoscopic projections have taken him from Bay Area clubs to Coachella. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1715036254,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":1638},"headData":{"title":"SF’s Zach Rodell Is a Go-To Artist for Tripped-Out Concert Visuals | KQED","description":"His kaleidoscopic projections have taken him from Bay Area clubs to Coachella. 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He’s just gotten back from doing visuals at Coachella with LA psych rockers Jjuujjuu. And while Panchiko’s Berkeley tour stop might be Rodell’s first time working with the British indie band, he’s doing anything but playing it safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You always want to envelop the audience so there’s visuals in your peripheral,” Rodell says as he juggles software platforms on his computer, which is connected to different MIDI controllers and analog hardware. “Lose your senses. Get lost in a show. … So I’m gonna try something really risky.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The show is about to start, yet Rodell — who lives in San Francisco’s Sunset district — is still downloading new digital art code packets from his command center next to the sound booth. He wants to project a deep-cut Sega Saturn warning graphic to make it look like the band is playing inside of an old video game — a fitting decision given that Panchiko’s young, internet-obsessed fanbase \u003ca href=\"https://www.34st.com/article/2024/04/resurrection-of-panchiko-lost-wave-band-comeback\">unearthed their music online\u003c/a> almost 20 years after it was first released.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13957285\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13957285\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2300\" height=\"1533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell.jpg 2300w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/chokecherryat-The-Chapel_photo-by-Greg-Chow-_-visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2300px) 100vw, 2300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chokecherry performs at the Chapel in San Francisco on April 12, surrounded by Zach Rodell’s visuals. \u003ccite>(Greg Chow)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Rodell typically begins his process by recording a band on stage, then projecting that footage live onto a venue’s walls while layering it with fuzzed-out graphics and trippy, distorted colors. It creates a kind of living, breathing visual companion to the music, whose metamorphosis unfolds before the audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Panchiko’s performance feels like a full-on audiovisual ecosystem. The band plays in front of a live superimposition of themselves soaked in Rodell’s digital watercolors, layered atop anime and gaming graphics. At the end of the night, Rodell is pleased with himself, even though he says wi-fi issues prevented him from executing all the “risks” he wanted to take, including a live AI art projection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Regardless, the band is stoked, and Rodell gets confirmed to work with Panchiko for their next seven tour dates. Not to mention, he still has the second weekend of Coachella to head down to.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Elevating the concert experience\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Coupled with his regular lighting and visual technician gigs at San Francisco rooms like Rickshaw Stop, Great American Music Hall and The Chapel, Rodell’s work is in demand. He was in talks to do visuals for André 3000’s Big Sur show this past April at Henry Miller Library, before road closures on Highway 1 forced a postponement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Oakland band \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13928718/fake-fruit-is-the-best-emerging-band-in-the-bay-is-the-universe-conspiring-against-them\">Fake Fruit\u003c/a> headlined a bill at Rickshaw Stop earlier this year, Rodell wrapped a canvas around the entire room to create 360-degree projections. At one point, it felt like the band and audience were inside a psychedelic aquarium. It was sick.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Every show that Zach works, he elevates,” says Rickshaw Stop Head of Operations Dan Strachota.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/ui5I-YwbaKs'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/ui5I-YwbaKs'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Rodell’s rise comes at a fortuitous time in the live music industry, where promoters and consumers are swarming over the idea of concerts that are visually enhanced. Look no further than the Sphere in Las Vegas for the alpha example of this: It’s an immersive, 18,600-person concert hall where attendees are inside of a live music snow globe of sorts, featuring a 360-degree 16K LED visual display, spatial audio and 4D effects. U2 and Phish played widely publicized residencies since it opened last September, and Dead & Company have a 24-show run starting this month.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Continuing a psychedelic SF legacy\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When it comes to Dead & Co especially, it’s hard to not think about how this represents an evolution of the ’60s Grateful Dead shows in SF venues like the Avalon and Carousel Ballroom. Visual artists like Bill Ham and Glenn McKay created psychedelic, oil-spinning light shows, making venues feel like the inside of a lava lamp — a perfect place to indulge in hallucinogens. Rodell is friends with the 92-year old Ham, and his work builds upon that ’60s San Francisco tradition. Even if it happened by accident.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rodell grew up in the Inland Empire city of Rancho Cucamonga. “I love that it’s my hometown. Frank Zappa got arrested here,” he says with a smile. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13956541","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He went to school for airplane mechanics and made a move to East Palo Alto in 2012 to live with a girl he met on a Coachella message board. (“I ran into Mark Zuckerberg once, and he wouldn’t let me pet his dog,” he quips.) He was working at a startup that made oil-less generators, and immersed himself in live music and festival culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While volunteering at Sonoma County’s psych-rock staple, Huichica Festival, in 2015, Rodell found himself backstage talking to — of all people — Dead Kennedys frontman and SF political jester Jello Biafra.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We were talking about how Bernie [Sanders] just lost the primary, and Jello was like, ‘I can’t talk about this stuff ’cause the Green Party will be all up on me,’” Rodell recalls. “So he changes the subject and was like, ‘Look at all this lighting stuff!’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biafra was referencing the spinning platters adorned with oils, dyes and inks that Mad Alchemy Light Show’s Lance Gordon began making in the ’70s and revived in the late aughts after a decades-long hiatus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gordon was inspired by the likes of Ham, McKay and Brotherhood of Light, artists who helped cement the live legacies of the Grateful Dead, Big Brother and the Holding Company and The Allman Brothers Band. These acts were seen as truly psychedelic performers. Today, Mad Alchemy is, by all accounts, the modern day benchmark for psychedelic light shows.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13957284\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13957284\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2300\" height=\"1533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell.jpg 2300w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/JJuujjuu_CHapel_Photo-by-greg-CHow_Visuals-by-Zach-Rodell-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2300px) 100vw, 2300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">JJuujjuu performs at the Chapel in San Francisco, surrounded by Zach Rodell’s visuals. \u003ccite>(Greg Chow)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Intrigued, Rodell got Gordon’s card, followed up and was soon working with him as an assistant. He broke up with the girl and dove deeper into his work with Mad Alchemy, including a yearly stint at Desert Daze festival in Joshua Tree, which has grown into the nation’s premier psych music fest. (He’s worked Desert Daze seven times, creating visuals for over 100 artists in the process.) Rodell gleaned much from Gordon, but the pair had a falling out in 2018. They briefly came back together during the pandemic in 2020, and Rodell set off on his own for good in 2021.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Mad Alchemy is only liquids — it’s beautiful — but I want to do all types of visuals. I’m not trying to copy his stuff,” Rodell says. “I like cam footage and repurposing the footage of the band into art, and it’s mostly improv. The more I have to put thought into something or worry about it, I find myself not having as much fun.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He learns new techniques online, watching YouTube videos, staying active on forums, always looking for new modes to add to his arsenal. Over the years, he’s worked with bands from all over the world, in all edges of psychedelia, pushing the envelope of the complete experience. Australia’s Surprise Chef, Afro-soul collective Budos Band, New Zealand psych-folk singer Aldous Harding, LA dreamy indie outfit The Marías, Bronx funk legends ESG, Zamrock pioneers W.I.T.C.H., local luminary \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13956541/shannon-shaw-the-clams-the-moon-is-in-the-wrong-place\">Shannon Shaw\u003c/a>, Stereolab’s Laetitia Sadier and so forth.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Trippy visuals for a new generation\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Fast forward to a recent Friday night at The Chapel in San Francisco’s Mission District, and Rodell is erecting scaffolding to mount his enormous, 65-pound projector to do visuals for SF shoegaze band LSD and the Search For God, along with Jjuujjuu and Chokecherry. Jjuujjuu is bringing Rodell to Coachella with them later that weekend. Bandleader Phil Pirrone — who also happens to have founded the Desert Daze festival — knows exactly why Rodell is the artist he wants to accompany the band on music’s biggest stage at Coachella.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our show is less about us and more about you,” Pirrone says. “He helps facilitate that. For our kind of band, and for Zach as the kind of projection artist he is, it always feels like it completes the intention of it to be an out-of-body experience.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13957227","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With Rodell’s help, a band can have this living organism behind them, almost like a kinetic, phonetic embodiment of the music. Just as Bill Ham and Glenn McKay intended in the ’60s, the visuals help audiences let go of their inhibitions and feel more alive. For Rodell — who enjoys his morning coffee while looking out at Ocean Beach, and drives his gear solo to gigs, even Coachella — his art is an extension of a deeply personal connection to live music. One that he hopes to pass on to others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m just hoping down the line I’m gonna meet some kid who was like, ‘I tripped balls to your shows in high school!’” he exclaims. “I wanna hear that, that someone had an amazing time at a show, and the visuals helped it out and made the band look cool.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13957282/zach-rodell-concert-visual-projection-artist-sf","authors":["byline_arts_13957282"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_69","arts_70"],"tags":["arts_10278","arts_681","arts_1146"],"featImg":"arts_13957283","label":"arts"},"arts_13954854":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13954854","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13954854","score":null,"sort":[1711620027000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"muralist-vocalist-and-all-around-artist-zoe-boston","title":"Zoë Boston, the Artistic Alchemist","publishDate":1711620027,"format":"audio","headTitle":"Zoë Boston, the Artistic Alchemist | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":8720,"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp> \u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://linktr.ee/ZoeBoston\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Zoë Boston\u003c/a> is a talented artist who takes the highs and lows of life, and creates moving works of art of all sorts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She paints huge, brightly-colored murals depicting otherworldly beings, with elements of Afrocentrism and scenes inspired by nature. She also does acrylic-based paintings on canvas, smaller in stature but just as powerful. She’s a fashionista, who knows how to put an outfit together– accessories and all. She’s a writer, of both short journal-like essays and profound lyrics for songs. Plus she’s a talented vocalist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13954859\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13954859\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/Zoe%CC%88Boston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-800x556.jpg\" alt=\"Zoë Boston wears sunglasses and a denim outfit as she stands in front of a mural depicting a beautiful purple being on a blue background.\" width=\"800\" height=\"556\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-800x556.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-1020x709.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-160x111.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-768x533.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-1536x1067.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-2048x1423.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-1920x1334.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Zoë Boston poses for a photo in front of her mural in Detroit, Michigan. \u003ccite>(Joe Carranza)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In her 2023 single, “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGIO82wzsEE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Murky Waters\u003c/a>,” Zoë sings, “We said ‘friends for life,’ didn’t know I was signing mine over,” as she unpacks her experience of surviving an abusive relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Zoë, who was born in Southern California and spent some time on the East Coast, found a home in Oakland nearly a decade ago. She initially moved here to be part of a media production team. During that time, however, Zoë says she had unintentionally become a part of a cult and was also sexually assaulted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From that low point she’s built herself up, as well as her art and her community. And it’s this community, namely members of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.thebamp.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bay Area Mural Program\u003c/a>, who’ve come to truly see Zoë when she needed it the most.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13954860\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13954860\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/Zoe%CC%88Boston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_Zoe%CC%88Boston-800x1066.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1066\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston-800x1066.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston-768x1024.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston.jpg 1087w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A mural showcasing some of the elements of Oakland: the Bay Bridge, the cranes from the port and a California Poppy– the state flower. \u003ccite>(Zoë Boston)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Earlier this year, as bills piled up and money got tight, Zoë created a GoFundMe campaign in order to stay afloat as an artist in the Bay Area. People rushed to her aid, offering over the amount that she asked. A few days later Zoë got some news that was a bit of a cherry on top, as she and fellow visual artist \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13868502/from-d-boys-to-dope-art\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Timothy B\u003c/a>. were awarded a contract through the East Bay Asian Local Development Corporation (\u003ca href=\"https://ebaldc.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">EBALDC\u003c/a>) to paint a mural on a forthcoming low-incoming housing project in West Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Through all of the ups-and-downs of life in the Bay Area, Zoë has relied on community, art and a commitment to personal growth. And this week on Rightnowish, we talk about it all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13954861\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13954861 size-medium\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/Zoe%CC%88Boston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-800x1044.jpg\" alt=\"Zoë Boston wears a plaid long-sleeve shirt as she poses for a photo in front of her mural on the Casa Sueños Apartments in East Oakland.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1044\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-800x1044.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-1020x1332.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-160x209.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-768x1003.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux.jpg 1110w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Zoë Boston poses for a photo in front of her mural on the Casa Sueños Apartment Building in East Oakland. \u003ccite>(B DeVeaux)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC4128307044\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, host:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> What’s up, y’all! Welcome to Rightnowish, I’m your host Pendarvis Harshaw. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today we’re talking to Zoë Boston. She’s an artist, excuse me, an artiste. And she can express herself in a number of ways. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She paints huge aerosol pieces depicting Afrocentric figures with Bantu knots and locs, posing in empowering positions and surrounded by bold colors. They adorn the walls of well-known Bay Area hangouts– like the Ivy Room over in Albany, Black Girls Greenhouse in Oakland and San Francisco’s Museum of the African Diaspora. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She also paints acrylic and oil based images of cosmic beings on canvases, much smaller than her aerosol pieces, but just as powerful. Plus, she’s a writer. Her essays are personal and reflective of self discovery. She can even sing when she chooses to.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Zoë had been on my radar for a while, but I hadn’t taken time to really study her work– until last fall. That’s when she piqued my interest with a track she dropped titled, “Murky Waters” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As I followed her on social media, a few weeks later I saw that Zoë had found herself in a financial bind. Late on rent and bills piling up, she turned to her community for funding to stay afloat. I watched as the donations for her GoFundMe exceeded her ask.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then, a few days later, a cherry on top: she was awarded a major contract to paint a mural on a low-income housing facility being built in West Oakland. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I knew then that it was time to talk. I had to know how Zoë was dealing with the highs and lows of life, and how she uses her many forms of art to handle all that comes with this roller coaster called living in the Bay Area.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">More after this. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You saw some real interesting highs and some heavy lows in this past month or so. And, I wanted to start off with the good, some news that I saw that you and fellow artist Timothy B, well known visual artist and former Rightnowish guest, were awarded a contract by EBALC, the East Bay Asian Local Development Corporation, to do a mural on a forthcoming affordable permanent housing site, Phoenix Public Arts Project, in West Oakland. How does it feel to have that honor? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It feels full circle. It feels like divine timing. I feel like this year’s definitely a resurgence for me. And so, to be able to paint a mural on, um, an apartment complex that’s named the Phoenix is so fitting for me. Like, it seems like it’s meant to be for this year. And I’m extremely excited and, like, honored to be a part. And yeah, it’s going to be great. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Nice, have something to look forward to this year as they’re still building the actual facility. Right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes, they’re still building it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This good news comes on the heels of some pretty heavy news. At the start of January, you were vulnerable enough to make a public plea with folks, asking for assistance with your finances for living. You made a GoFundMe for a very specific ask of rent and bills totaling $10,255 and you got $11,119. How did it feel to have that kind of support? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It was honestly healing for me because I have struggled with asking for help in the past. Even to put the GoFundMe out there was an incredible feat for me, a breakthrough for me, just being seen in that way and being vulnerable in that way. Especially in the past when I’ve reached out for help in different avenues, I’ve been received with more social shame, or questions, or victim blaming, or ridicule, and so it was terrifying to even put the ask out there. But I knew that I had to get over my fear. You know, I was at a point where it’s just like, well, I need help. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When you say vulnerable, it wasn’t just rent and bills. It was also you being explicit about, um, a recent discovery that you had. In the GoFundMe it said you had a recent discovery that you are neurodivergent and somewhere in the autistic spectrum. I think that’s a very relatable experience for our generation, especially since people of color are historically underdiagnosed. What specifically were you experiencing that led to this discovery? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Well, honestly, since I’ve been born, I’ve always felt different. I’ve never really felt like I fit in. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The generation before us didn’t have the vocabulary and the tools to name some of the things that we are experiencing now. So I was just labeled as, you know, the oddball or like the black sheep of the situation. So you just sit with that. It’s like, well, I’m just I guess I’m just different. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It seems like I’m in a world that is not built for me and not designed for me. And no matter how hard I try to articulate what I’m experiencing, I get invalidated based on other people’s perception of me and other people’s understanding of my experiences. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What started it was just this self-healing journey after escaping a cult and dealing with narcissistic abuse and sexual assault. Like, I went on a journey of self healing and understanding. Because I got to a point where I realized, like, okay, like I’m reaching out and looking outward to be validated and seen and heard. But reality is, I need to understand myself and validate myself and see myself so I can heal and move past this. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so I started off with mental health. I started off with learning about narcissistic abuse. I started off learning about cult culture. And, you know, you go down these bunny trails and you start finding things about neurodivergence and you’re like, ‘wait, I relate to this.’ Like, well, that’s interesting. And then you just keep reading like, ‘wait, I relate to that too.’ And you keep reading and you’re like, ‘wait, I’ve never been able to articulate this feeling,’ and someone else has found the words for me like, ‘wait, oh my goodness, there’s a whole community of people like this?’ \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s like, you know, you go through these processes of like, well, maybe I’m not really neurodivergent, maybe I just want attention, or maybe I’m just like trying to find a solution. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And you keep doing research and you realize like, yeah, well, this all fits, and it makes my entire life make sense. It allowed me to really understand that I’m not broken or flawed, I’m just different. And there’s a whole community of people who are different, like me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Being seen and seeing yourself as well. Like doing the self-discovery, the research, as you mentioned, and the trauma that you navigated is heavy stuff. And it’s, it’s something that you put into music as well. You’re not just a visual artist. And in 2023, you dropped a track, “Murky Water.” What’s the meaning behind the lyrics in that song? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a narrative story of my experience going into the environment I was in at the cult and experiencing assault and betrayal, and betrayal, trauma and all the things associated with it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music-Clip from Murky Waters by Zoë Boston]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We said friends for life, d\u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">idn’t know I was signing mine over. \u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You said I could trust you…\u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I actually wrote it in 2021, and it was at a point where I wasn’t really writing that much anymore. I was kind of stagnant and like… stuck in my own trauma and trying to understand the world. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it hit me. I was like, oh, it’s time. It’s time to tell that story. And I don’t even think I was fully prepared for it, because the way, like, the first line came out, “Can’t see around me, can’t feel my body no more,” and from there, it just… everything poured out, line for line. Every line rhymed and I was able to articulate this story so perfectly. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like, I remember I couldn’t stop listening to it for like weeks. I remember the first 24 hours I couldn’t stop crying, it was such a supernatural release. And I’m grateful to God that I tapped into that source to release that because it definitely was a catalyst to my own healing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I sat with it for a couple of years, didn’t know exactly what to do with it. But I got to the point where I knew that, you know, if I experienced something like this, maybe it’s not as common, but I know there’s other people who have been through situations like this and don’t have the words, don’t have the vocabulary to articulate the complex and deep feelings that they’ve experienced. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Without reopening old wounds. I’m wondering if there’s a way to shed light on what you experienced. Just so people can understand what you’ve traversed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2014, I came to the Bay area to visit a production company. It was a one stop shop where artists could come and get their ideas out. Everyone was working together as a team. You know, we had visual artists. We had singer songwriters. We had producers. We had mixing engineers. We had photography. We had graphic design. It was all state of the art, top, top, top. Like to this day, some of the people I’ve met there are still some of the most gifted people I’ve ever met in my life. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was also tied to a church and so one of the stipulations was that you had to go to the church. But fast forward, I found out through unfortunate situations or circumstances that it was actually a cult. It’s very controlling and manipulative. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The CEO of the production company was also the pastor, also our mentor. Like, in hindsight, he had way too much power. Like, it’s funny how you see things after they happen.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He started to pretend like he was my friend and kind of get in my space and try to figure me out. And it turned into this accelerated grooming process, where I found myself being sexually assaulted by him. And through the shock of that, it opened my eyes to really see what was going on. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am not where I thought I was. I am not in a safe place. This man who is professing to be a man of God is the farthest from God, the furthest from the truth, the furthest from light. But yeah, we confronted him. He still wasn’t accountable. And within a week, I made my way out of there, never to return. And so I’ve been dealing with the aftermath of that honestly, since then.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The release of the song definitely helped me to understand the full capacity of what I experienced. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not like robes and it was not weird rituals and all these things, like, it was very covert, very normal from the outside looking in. It was very welcoming and warm. It was slow bait and switch for sure. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve heard you talk before about using your craft to “alchemize” your experiences. What does that mean? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I think it’s part of my purpose and my calling to, you know, be an alchemist. But just the importance of taking, kind of taking the ugly and the dirt and the pain and the trauma that we’re experiencing and finding the golden nuggets in it, finding the learning lesson so that you actually can grow from it, and then transforming it in a way that it’s easy for others to also learn from the experience. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Is there something you do in that process that’s like the first step that allows you to make work out of these traumatic experiences? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The first step is stillness, rest, sitting with it for a while, almost like a germination process, if that makes sense, If you want to use the analogy of a seed, you know. It’s important to actually feel the emotions you’re feeling and not run from them. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I picture what has actually happened and then from there, I can create analogies and similes and metaphors to articulate what I’ve experienced, whether it’s visual or through lyrics. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is there a form of art that is the first tool that you grab when you reach in your artistic toolbox? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b> \u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, man, it really depends on the urgency of the expression. So if it’s something that I’ve sat with for a while and I’m ready to share that story in a way, I usually will go towards, visual arts, like painting.\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it just depends on the urgency for me, but I like to use both mediums.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then your paintings we’re in an audio medium right now, but in describing the visuals that you paint, like I’m looking at, like, extraterrestrial metaphysics. There’s universal elements, Black bodies, empowerment. I’m seeing a lot of bright colors and just taking it in it’s, it’s definitely something to, like, sit and engage with. What do you want the audience to gain from your work? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I want them to remember that they are supernatural. And I want people to remember that anything is possible. And I think we’re in such a capitalist society that we forget how extraordinary we are. We forget that, you know, we’re tapped into this infinite, supernatural energy source and that we really have the power to manifest and move things in a way that I think we’ve kind of grown dull to. And so I want, through my art, I want people to remember who they are. I want people to remember that they have the power to change their lives.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Amen. Thank you for that. Thank you. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Big thank you to Zoë Boston, I hope you keep painting. I hope you keep creating. I hope you keep being seen!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As I mentioned, her work can be found around the Bay Area, and you can find Zoë directly on social media, her Instagram handle is ZoeAdiahBoston. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This episode was hosted by me, Pendarvis Harshaw. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was produced by Marisol Medina-Cadena and Maya Cueva. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was edited by Chris Hambrick.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our engineer is Christopher Beale. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And Sheree Bishop is the Rightnowish intern. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Rightnowish team is also supported by Jen Chien, Ugur Dursun, Holly Kernan, Xorje Olivares, Cesar Saldaña, and Katie Sprenger. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you all for listening! 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She also does acrylic-based paintings on canvas, smaller in stature but just as powerful. She’s a fashionista, who knows how to put an outfit together– accessories and all. She’s a writer, of both short journal-like essays and profound lyrics for songs. Plus she’s a talented vocalist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13954859\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13954859\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/Zoe%CC%88Boston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-800x556.jpg\" alt=\"Zoë Boston wears sunglasses and a denim outfit as she stands in front of a mural depicting a beautiful purple being on a blue background.\" width=\"800\" height=\"556\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-800x556.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-1020x709.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-160x111.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-768x533.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-1536x1067.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-2048x1423.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_PhotoBy_JoeCarranza_TakeIn_DetroitMI-1920x1334.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Zoë Boston poses for a photo in front of her mural in Detroit, Michigan. \u003ccite>(Joe Carranza)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In her 2023 single, “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGIO82wzsEE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Murky Waters\u003c/a>,” Zoë sings, “We said ‘friends for life,’ didn’t know I was signing mine over,” as she unpacks her experience of surviving an abusive relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Zoë, who was born in Southern California and spent some time on the East Coast, found a home in Oakland nearly a decade ago. She initially moved here to be part of a media production team. During that time, however, Zoë says she had unintentionally become a part of a cult and was also sexually assaulted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From that low point she’s built herself up, as well as her art and her community. And it’s this community, namely members of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.thebamp.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bay Area Mural Program\u003c/a>, who’ve come to truly see Zoë when she needed it the most.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13954860\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13954860\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/Zoe%CC%88Boston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_Zoe%CC%88Boston-800x1066.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1066\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston-800x1066.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston-768x1024.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_MuralinOakland_TakenBy_ZoëBoston.jpg 1087w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A mural showcasing some of the elements of Oakland: the Bay Bridge, the cranes from the port and a California Poppy– the state flower. \u003ccite>(Zoë Boston)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Earlier this year, as bills piled up and money got tight, Zoë created a GoFundMe campaign in order to stay afloat as an artist in the Bay Area. People rushed to her aid, offering over the amount that she asked. A few days later Zoë got some news that was a bit of a cherry on top, as she and fellow visual artist \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13868502/from-d-boys-to-dope-art\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Timothy B\u003c/a>. were awarded a contract through the East Bay Asian Local Development Corporation (\u003ca href=\"https://ebaldc.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">EBALDC\u003c/a>) to paint a mural on a forthcoming low-incoming housing project in West Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Through all of the ups-and-downs of life in the Bay Area, Zoë has relied on community, art and a commitment to personal growth. And this week on Rightnowish, we talk about it all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13954861\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13954861 size-medium\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/Zoe%CC%88Boston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-800x1044.jpg\" alt=\"Zoë Boston wears a plaid long-sleeve shirt as she poses for a photo in front of her mural on the Casa Sueños Apartments in East Oakland.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1044\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-800x1044.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-1020x1332.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-160x209.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux-768x1003.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/ZoëBoston_AtCasaSuenosApartments_-35thAveInOakland-California_TakenBy_-B-DeVeaux.jpg 1110w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Zoë Boston poses for a photo in front of her mural on the Casa Sueños Apartment Building in East Oakland. \u003ccite>(B DeVeaux)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC4128307044\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, host:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> What’s up, y’all! Welcome to Rightnowish, I’m your host Pendarvis Harshaw. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today we’re talking to Zoë Boston. She’s an artist, excuse me, an artiste. And she can express herself in a number of ways. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She paints huge aerosol pieces depicting Afrocentric figures with Bantu knots and locs, posing in empowering positions and surrounded by bold colors. They adorn the walls of well-known Bay Area hangouts– like the Ivy Room over in Albany, Black Girls Greenhouse in Oakland and San Francisco’s Museum of the African Diaspora. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She also paints acrylic and oil based images of cosmic beings on canvases, much smaller than her aerosol pieces, but just as powerful. Plus, she’s a writer. Her essays are personal and reflective of self discovery. She can even sing when she chooses to.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Zoë had been on my radar for a while, but I hadn’t taken time to really study her work– until last fall. That’s when she piqued my interest with a track she dropped titled, “Murky Waters” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As I followed her on social media, a few weeks later I saw that Zoë had found herself in a financial bind. Late on rent and bills piling up, she turned to her community for funding to stay afloat. I watched as the donations for her GoFundMe exceeded her ask.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then, a few days later, a cherry on top: she was awarded a major contract to paint a mural on a low-income housing facility being built in West Oakland. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I knew then that it was time to talk. I had to know how Zoë was dealing with the highs and lows of life, and how she uses her many forms of art to handle all that comes with this roller coaster called living in the Bay Area.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">More after this. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You saw some real interesting highs and some heavy lows in this past month or so. And, I wanted to start off with the good, some news that I saw that you and fellow artist Timothy B, well known visual artist and former Rightnowish guest, were awarded a contract by EBALC, the East Bay Asian Local Development Corporation, to do a mural on a forthcoming affordable permanent housing site, Phoenix Public Arts Project, in West Oakland. How does it feel to have that honor? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It feels full circle. It feels like divine timing. I feel like this year’s definitely a resurgence for me. And so, to be able to paint a mural on, um, an apartment complex that’s named the Phoenix is so fitting for me. Like, it seems like it’s meant to be for this year. And I’m extremely excited and, like, honored to be a part. And yeah, it’s going to be great. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Nice, have something to look forward to this year as they’re still building the actual facility. Right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes, they’re still building it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This good news comes on the heels of some pretty heavy news. At the start of January, you were vulnerable enough to make a public plea with folks, asking for assistance with your finances for living. You made a GoFundMe for a very specific ask of rent and bills totaling $10,255 and you got $11,119. How did it feel to have that kind of support? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It was honestly healing for me because I have struggled with asking for help in the past. Even to put the GoFundMe out there was an incredible feat for me, a breakthrough for me, just being seen in that way and being vulnerable in that way. Especially in the past when I’ve reached out for help in different avenues, I’ve been received with more social shame, or questions, or victim blaming, or ridicule, and so it was terrifying to even put the ask out there. But I knew that I had to get over my fear. You know, I was at a point where it’s just like, well, I need help. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When you say vulnerable, it wasn’t just rent and bills. It was also you being explicit about, um, a recent discovery that you had. In the GoFundMe it said you had a recent discovery that you are neurodivergent and somewhere in the autistic spectrum. I think that’s a very relatable experience for our generation, especially since people of color are historically underdiagnosed. What specifically were you experiencing that led to this discovery? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Well, honestly, since I’ve been born, I’ve always felt different. I’ve never really felt like I fit in. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The generation before us didn’t have the vocabulary and the tools to name some of the things that we are experiencing now. So I was just labeled as, you know, the oddball or like the black sheep of the situation. So you just sit with that. It’s like, well, I’m just I guess I’m just different. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It seems like I’m in a world that is not built for me and not designed for me. And no matter how hard I try to articulate what I’m experiencing, I get invalidated based on other people’s perception of me and other people’s understanding of my experiences. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What started it was just this self-healing journey after escaping a cult and dealing with narcissistic abuse and sexual assault. Like, I went on a journey of self healing and understanding. Because I got to a point where I realized, like, okay, like I’m reaching out and looking outward to be validated and seen and heard. But reality is, I need to understand myself and validate myself and see myself so I can heal and move past this. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so I started off with mental health. I started off with learning about narcissistic abuse. I started off learning about cult culture. And, you know, you go down these bunny trails and you start finding things about neurodivergence and you’re like, ‘wait, I relate to this.’ Like, well, that’s interesting. And then you just keep reading like, ‘wait, I relate to that too.’ And you keep reading and you’re like, ‘wait, I’ve never been able to articulate this feeling,’ and someone else has found the words for me like, ‘wait, oh my goodness, there’s a whole community of people like this?’ \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s like, you know, you go through these processes of like, well, maybe I’m not really neurodivergent, maybe I just want attention, or maybe I’m just like trying to find a solution. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And you keep doing research and you realize like, yeah, well, this all fits, and it makes my entire life make sense. It allowed me to really understand that I’m not broken or flawed, I’m just different. And there’s a whole community of people who are different, like me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Being seen and seeing yourself as well. Like doing the self-discovery, the research, as you mentioned, and the trauma that you navigated is heavy stuff. And it’s, it’s something that you put into music as well. You’re not just a visual artist. And in 2023, you dropped a track, “Murky Water.” What’s the meaning behind the lyrics in that song? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a narrative story of my experience going into the environment I was in at the cult and experiencing assault and betrayal, and betrayal, trauma and all the things associated with it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music-Clip from Murky Waters by Zoë Boston]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We said friends for life, d\u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">idn’t know I was signing mine over. \u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You said I could trust you…\u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I actually wrote it in 2021, and it was at a point where I wasn’t really writing that much anymore. I was kind of stagnant and like… stuck in my own trauma and trying to understand the world. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it hit me. I was like, oh, it’s time. It’s time to tell that story. And I don’t even think I was fully prepared for it, because the way, like, the first line came out, “Can’t see around me, can’t feel my body no more,” and from there, it just… everything poured out, line for line. Every line rhymed and I was able to articulate this story so perfectly. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like, I remember I couldn’t stop listening to it for like weeks. I remember the first 24 hours I couldn’t stop crying, it was such a supernatural release. And I’m grateful to God that I tapped into that source to release that because it definitely was a catalyst to my own healing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I sat with it for a couple of years, didn’t know exactly what to do with it. But I got to the point where I knew that, you know, if I experienced something like this, maybe it’s not as common, but I know there’s other people who have been through situations like this and don’t have the words, don’t have the vocabulary to articulate the complex and deep feelings that they’ve experienced. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Without reopening old wounds. I’m wondering if there’s a way to shed light on what you experienced. Just so people can understand what you’ve traversed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2014, I came to the Bay area to visit a production company. It was a one stop shop where artists could come and get their ideas out. Everyone was working together as a team. You know, we had visual artists. We had singer songwriters. We had producers. We had mixing engineers. We had photography. We had graphic design. It was all state of the art, top, top, top. Like to this day, some of the people I’ve met there are still some of the most gifted people I’ve ever met in my life. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was also tied to a church and so one of the stipulations was that you had to go to the church. But fast forward, I found out through unfortunate situations or circumstances that it was actually a cult. It’s very controlling and manipulative. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The CEO of the production company was also the pastor, also our mentor. Like, in hindsight, he had way too much power. Like, it’s funny how you see things after they happen.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He started to pretend like he was my friend and kind of get in my space and try to figure me out. And it turned into this accelerated grooming process, where I found myself being sexually assaulted by him. And through the shock of that, it opened my eyes to really see what was going on. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am not where I thought I was. I am not in a safe place. This man who is professing to be a man of God is the farthest from God, the furthest from the truth, the furthest from light. But yeah, we confronted him. He still wasn’t accountable. And within a week, I made my way out of there, never to return. And so I’ve been dealing with the aftermath of that honestly, since then.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The release of the song definitely helped me to understand the full capacity of what I experienced. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not like robes and it was not weird rituals and all these things, like, it was very covert, very normal from the outside looking in. It was very welcoming and warm. It was slow bait and switch for sure. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve heard you talk before about using your craft to “alchemize” your experiences. What does that mean? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I think it’s part of my purpose and my calling to, you know, be an alchemist. But just the importance of taking, kind of taking the ugly and the dirt and the pain and the trauma that we’re experiencing and finding the golden nuggets in it, finding the learning lesson so that you actually can grow from it, and then transforming it in a way that it’s easy for others to also learn from the experience. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Is there something you do in that process that’s like the first step that allows you to make work out of these traumatic experiences? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The first step is stillness, rest, sitting with it for a while, almost like a germination process, if that makes sense, If you want to use the analogy of a seed, you know. It’s important to actually feel the emotions you’re feeling and not run from them. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I picture what has actually happened and then from there, I can create analogies and similes and metaphors to articulate what I’ve experienced, whether it’s visual or through lyrics. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is there a form of art that is the first tool that you grab when you reach in your artistic toolbox? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston:\u003c/b> \u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, man, it really depends on the urgency of the expression. So if it’s something that I’ve sat with for a while and I’m ready to share that story in a way, I usually will go towards, visual arts, like painting.\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it just depends on the urgency for me, but I like to use both mediums.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then your paintings we’re in an audio medium right now, but in describing the visuals that you paint, like I’m looking at, like, extraterrestrial metaphysics. There’s universal elements, Black bodies, empowerment. I’m seeing a lot of bright colors and just taking it in it’s, it’s definitely something to, like, sit and engage with. What do you want the audience to gain from your work? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoë Boston: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I want them to remember that they are supernatural. And I want people to remember that anything is possible. And I think we’re in such a capitalist society that we forget how extraordinary we are. We forget that, you know, we’re tapped into this infinite, supernatural energy source and that we really have the power to manifest and move things in a way that I think we’ve kind of grown dull to. And so I want, through my art, I want people to remember who they are. I want people to remember that they have the power to change their lives.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Amen. Thank you for that. Thank you. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Big thank you to Zoë Boston, I hope you keep painting. I hope you keep creating. I hope you keep being seen!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As I mentioned, her work can be found around the Bay Area, and you can find Zoë directly on social media, her Instagram handle is ZoeAdiahBoston. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This episode was hosted by me, Pendarvis Harshaw. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was produced by Marisol Medina-Cadena and Maya Cueva. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was edited by Chris Hambrick.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our engineer is Christopher Beale. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And Sheree Bishop is the Rightnowish intern. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Rightnowish team is also supported by Jen Chien, Ugur Dursun, Holly Kernan, Xorje Olivares, Cesar Saldaña, and Katie Sprenger. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you all for listening! 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You can readily stream it wherever you like. Or, on this particular Friday night in January, you can go to a place called \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/couchdate/?hl=en\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">couchdate\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> in Downtown Oakland to listen to it in surround sound among friends and fellow music-loving strangers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Here, your shoes are off (a house rule) as you lounge on vintage furniture or sit on one of the many patterned rugs lining the floor. Plants accent corners and shelves. The smell of incense wafts through the air. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“It almost feels like you’re sitting in a friend’s living room,” says Alexis Barnes, a couchdate visitor. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952478\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952478 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped.jpg\" alt=\"A blue-lit room filled with multiple people sitting and talking.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The early crowd at a vinyl listening party of Ari Lennox’s ‘Shea Butter Baby’ album at couchdate in Oakland on Jan. 26. \u003ccite>(Ariana Proehl/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Indeed, a couchdate Vinyl Listening Party has all the cozy wants of home with the fun of being out — stimulating conversation, maybe eye contact with a cute stranger, while the music vibrates through you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I feel like so much Black and Brown music is just seen as entertainment or candy that’s played in your car or at the gym,” says Emmanuel Singh, couchdate’s founder. “But rarely do we take the time to sit down and engage with this art and really appreciate it and find how we can connect to it — how we can connect to each other with it.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This night with \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Shea Butter Baby\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> is a hotbed of connection. A crowd of about 80 people of diverse races and gender expressions, mostly in their 20s and 30s, occupy almost every inch of the space. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952892\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952892 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Shoes piled by the door at couchdate in Oakland on Feb. 22. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Before the needle drops on the record (“couchdate is an analog space. There’s no digital anything here,” Singh reveals), Singh leads everyone in a welcome ritual, reminding the crowd of the conversation prompt they got when they arrived: “What would you share with someone who isn’t here anymore?” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After Singh, who grew up in San Jose, shares his own answer — “I would speak to my great-grandmother who helped raise me” — the music begins. The crowd quietly takes in the opening notes of the record. Soon, conversation bubbles up until it fills the room, along with the music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952485\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952485 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped.jpg\" alt=\"Two people kneel in front of a small TV screen while holding video game controllers.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alexis Joseph, left, and Estrella Allen play Nintendo 64 at a vinyl listening party at couchdate in Oakland on Jan. 26. \u003ccite>(Ariana Proehl/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Likely, new friendships are forming. “There’s many text threads and friend groups that have started here,” Singh says. “One group of people met here and last year took a trip to Italy together.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The anecdote is noteworthy, especially after the U.S. surgeon general diagnosed the country with a \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173418268/loneliness-connection-mental-health-dementia-surgeon-generalamerica.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“loneliness epidemic,”\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> prompting more talk about \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.today.com/life/inspiration/third-place-meaning-rcna94279\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the importance of third spaces\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — where people gather and build community outside their homes and workplaces.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The inclusive, people- and culture-first philosophy of couchdate supports these bonds. (The space got its name from an actual date Singh went on with a former partner to pick up a couch. It became a turning point in them truly connecting.) \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952479\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952479 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped.jpg\" alt=\"Four people pose in front of a sign that reads 'couchdate'\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From left, friends Akadina Yadegar, Ann Yang, Justin Marquez and Thuymy Do attend couchdate’s Vinyl Listening Party on Jan. 26. \u003ccite>(Ariana Proehl/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“couchdate highlights relevant voices. I feel like there’s so many in Oakland — so many important people, arts and messages — that don’t get heard,” says Singh.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Singh first began developing couchdate in 2019 at his former art studio in Jack London Square. Since joining forces last summer with fellow creative entrepreneurs Afiba Ntama and Akh Graystone, who co-run couchdate now, the space’s events calendar has expanded. In addition to the vinyl listening parties, which have a $15 cover, there are free, curated game nights on Wednesdays, and on Thursdays they host a jam session ($10 to hang, $5 if you come to jam). \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952884\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952884 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut.jpg\" alt='Three men stand in front a white wall that has a sign that reads \"couchdate\" on it.' width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From left, Akh Graystone, Emmanuel Singh and Afiba Ntama of couchdate in Oakland on Jan. 18. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ntama says couchdate fills a need for more affirming kinds of social experiences that he and others seek: “Less about partying, but [more about] connecting in genuine ways and giving room for people to express their creativity and lower their guard down.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“We focus on being an oasis where there’s safety in being here,” Graystone adds.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>We’re jammin’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Artists regularly rent the venue for public events, like photography shows or fashion pop-ups. One Thursday a month, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/couchdate/p/C3A6N5rpbK6/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Fam Sesh\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, a jam that champions queer, femme and non-binary musicians, takes over the space. After Fam Sesh took off, Singh was inspired to get a house band for couchdate and make the jam sessions weekly.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952897\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952897 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Ama Trio, led by Amarinder Singh, performs at couchdate in Oakland on Feb. 22. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For that, he reached out to \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/ama.musiq/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Amarinder Singh\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, a bass player he’d connected with on Instagram. Amarinder grew up in Berkeley and describes his sound as “psychedelic Punjabi funk.” His sets, backed by a guitarist and a drummer, include original songs mixed with covers of musical greats like Herbie Hancock and Aaliyah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After Amarinder’s trio performs, the jam session opens up. Anyone who brought an instrument or wants to get on the mic can take the stage (really, the rug at the front of the room). Singh says anywhere from 30 to 40 musicians will pass through a given session. Amarinder says it’s a rich and rare opportunity for many local musicians, citing the loss of \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/coronavirusliveupdates/arts/13880741/oakland-venues-stork-club-spirithaus-shutter-due-to-pandemic\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Spirithaus Gallery in 2020\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, a place he once frequented.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“[couchdate]’s bringing a resurgence, I’d say, of another communal space to check out and support,” Amarinder says. “We’ve had a lot of really beautiful nights in which so many people came and nobody really knew each other. So there were a lot of new connections, all due to the vibe that was created in this beautiful place.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Finding community\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Melika Tabrizi, 28, says couchdate is exactly the kind of creative community she was looking for when she moved to Oakland from Maryland last March. The first night she attended a couchdate jam session, she brought a camera and was filming a bit of the scene. Singh noticed and welcomed her to come again to shoot more. They’re now working on a film project for couchdate. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“It’s been interesting using my art in this space, because I didn’t expect that. It’s just a hobby of mine. And it’s nice that they are seeing my vision,” Tabrizi says. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952896\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952896 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Afi Ayanna (left) and Tiffany Austin talk together at couchdate in Oakland on Feb. 22. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chris Hall, a lawyer who lives in San Francisco, has been attending events regularly since the fall and comes back for the genuine interactions. “I feel like people present very authentically [at couchdate],” Hall says. “Listening to the music, getting to know the people you’re sitting around. You could go to a jazz club in the city, but you’re probably not going to really talk to anybody other than the people you went with.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Engaging with new people was exactly what Samantha Sherman, a 32-year-old educator, had in mind when she attended a recent game night after learning about couchdate on Instagram. Sherman moved to Oakland from San Francisco last year and is making a point to get out more. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I am very aware that we don’t have any third spaces that are easily accessible and seeking to have \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">us\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, too,” says Sherman, who’s Black. “We kind of make third space in coffee shops and, you know, random places. But this feels like an intentional space to be a third space. So it’s really cool.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘We believe in Oakland’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Singh, Ntama and Graystone continue cultivating their warm, inviting oasis in Oakland, there’s no ignoring the city’s reputation is largely in the gutter right now, with \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/06/business/oakland-crime-business/index.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">national headlines\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> calling out the surge in crime that prompted Governor Gavin Newsom \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11975161/newsom-to-send-state-prosecutors-to-oakland-to-help-crack-down-on-rising-crime\">to send in reinforcements\u003c/a>. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952891\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952891 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">couchdate in Oakland on Feb. 22. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But that only has the trio doubling down on their commitment. “We believe in Oakland. We believe in the future of Oakland,” Graystone says. He adds that the next phase of couchdate is a project they’ve launched called \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.tribin.io/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tribin\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">aims to help local residents deepen their connections with small businesses. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Someone has to say, ‘I’m going to stay here,’” Singh says. He admits making that commitment right now means eating some costs, which the couchdate team is willing to do for their greater, community-building mission. “This is just one example of the types of spaces we can create.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>couchdate is located at 1431 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Oakland. \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/couchdate/?hl=en\">Upcoming events can be found on Instagram\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The cozy space is building community through jam sessions, game nights and listening parties.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1708708482,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":31,"wordCount":1604},"headData":{"title":"Oakland’s couchdate Makes Room for Creatives to Hang and Play | KQED","description":"The cozy space is building community through jam sessions, game nights and listening parties.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Oakland’s couchdate Makes Room for Creatives to Hang and Play","datePublished":"2024-02-23T15:30:19.000Z","dateModified":"2024-02-23T17:14:42.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/fc8a08b7-6e91-47cf-b66f-b11f0113a86a/audio.mp3","sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13952472/couchdate-oakland-community-events-music","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The album \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLATQ8iWXs4GzRN3wsFdKykJTUTtjNRSju\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Shea Butter Baby\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> by soul singer Ari Lennox came out in 2019. You can readily stream it wherever you like. Or, on this particular Friday night in January, you can go to a place called \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/couchdate/?hl=en\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">couchdate\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> in Downtown Oakland to listen to it in surround sound among friends and fellow music-loving strangers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Here, your shoes are off (a house rule) as you lounge on vintage furniture or sit on one of the many patterned rugs lining the floor. Plants accent corners and shelves. The smell of incense wafts through the air. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“It almost feels like you’re sitting in a friend’s living room,” says Alexis Barnes, a couchdate visitor. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952478\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952478 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped.jpg\" alt=\"A blue-lit room filled with multiple people sitting and talking.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Vinyl-party-crowd-2-cropped-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The early crowd at a vinyl listening party of Ari Lennox’s ‘Shea Butter Baby’ album at couchdate in Oakland on Jan. 26. \u003ccite>(Ariana Proehl/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Indeed, a couchdate Vinyl Listening Party has all the cozy wants of home with the fun of being out — stimulating conversation, maybe eye contact with a cute stranger, while the music vibrates through you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I feel like so much Black and Brown music is just seen as entertainment or candy that’s played in your car or at the gym,” says Emmanuel Singh, couchdate’s founder. “But rarely do we take the time to sit down and engage with this art and really appreciate it and find how we can connect to it — how we can connect to each other with it.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This night with \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Shea Butter Baby\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> is a hotbed of connection. A crowd of about 80 people of diverse races and gender expressions, mostly in their 20s and 30s, occupy almost every inch of the space. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952892\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952892 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-02-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Shoes piled by the door at couchdate in Oakland on Feb. 22. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Before the needle drops on the record (“couchdate is an analog space. There’s no digital anything here,” Singh reveals), Singh leads everyone in a welcome ritual, reminding the crowd of the conversation prompt they got when they arrived: “What would you share with someone who isn’t here anymore?” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After Singh, who grew up in San Jose, shares his own answer — “I would speak to my great-grandmother who helped raise me” — the music begins. The crowd quietly takes in the opening notes of the record. Soon, conversation bubbles up until it fills the room, along with the music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952485\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952485 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped.jpg\" alt=\"Two people kneel in front of a small TV screen while holding video game controllers.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Video-gaming1-cropped-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alexis Joseph, left, and Estrella Allen play Nintendo 64 at a vinyl listening party at couchdate in Oakland on Jan. 26. \u003ccite>(Ariana Proehl/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Likely, new friendships are forming. “There’s many text threads and friend groups that have started here,” Singh says. “One group of people met here and last year took a trip to Italy together.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The anecdote is noteworthy, especially after the U.S. surgeon general diagnosed the country with a \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173418268/loneliness-connection-mental-health-dementia-surgeon-generalamerica.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“loneliness epidemic,”\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> prompting more talk about \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.today.com/life/inspiration/third-place-meaning-rcna94279\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the importance of third spaces\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — where people gather and build community outside their homes and workplaces.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The inclusive, people- and culture-first philosophy of couchdate supports these bonds. (The space got its name from an actual date Singh went on with a former partner to pick up a couch. It became a turning point in them truly connecting.) \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952479\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952479 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped.jpg\" alt=\"Four people pose in front of a sign that reads 'couchdate'\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/Friends-at-couchdate-cropped-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From left, friends Akadina Yadegar, Ann Yang, Justin Marquez and Thuymy Do attend couchdate’s Vinyl Listening Party on Jan. 26. \u003ccite>(Ariana Proehl/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“couchdate highlights relevant voices. I feel like there’s so many in Oakland — so many important people, arts and messages — that don’t get heard,” says Singh.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Singh first began developing couchdate in 2019 at his former art studio in Jack London Square. Since joining forces last summer with fellow creative entrepreneurs Afiba Ntama and Akh Graystone, who co-run couchdate now, the space’s events calendar has expanded. In addition to the vinyl listening parties, which have a $15 cover, there are free, curated game nights on Wednesdays, and on Thursdays they host a jam session ($10 to hang, $5 if you come to jam). \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952884\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952884 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut.jpg\" alt='Three men stand in front a white wall that has a sign that reads \"couchdate\" on it.' width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240117-COUCHDATE-MD-05_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From left, Akh Graystone, Emmanuel Singh and Afiba Ntama of couchdate in Oakland on Jan. 18. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ntama says couchdate fills a need for more affirming kinds of social experiences that he and others seek: “Less about partying, but [more about] connecting in genuine ways and giving room for people to express their creativity and lower their guard down.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“We focus on being an oasis where there’s safety in being here,” Graystone adds.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>We’re jammin’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Artists regularly rent the venue for public events, like photography shows or fashion pop-ups. One Thursday a month, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/couchdate/p/C3A6N5rpbK6/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Fam Sesh\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, a jam that champions queer, femme and non-binary musicians, takes over the space. After Fam Sesh took off, Singh was inspired to get a house band for couchdate and make the jam sessions weekly.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952897\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952897 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-06-KQED-KQED-1-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Ama Trio, led by Amarinder Singh, performs at couchdate in Oakland on Feb. 22. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For that, he reached out to \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/ama.musiq/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Amarinder Singh\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, a bass player he’d connected with on Instagram. Amarinder grew up in Berkeley and describes his sound as “psychedelic Punjabi funk.” His sets, backed by a guitarist and a drummer, include original songs mixed with covers of musical greats like Herbie Hancock and Aaliyah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After Amarinder’s trio performs, the jam session opens up. Anyone who brought an instrument or wants to get on the mic can take the stage (really, the rug at the front of the room). Singh says anywhere from 30 to 40 musicians will pass through a given session. Amarinder says it’s a rich and rare opportunity for many local musicians, citing the loss of \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/coronavirusliveupdates/arts/13880741/oakland-venues-stork-club-spirithaus-shutter-due-to-pandemic\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Spirithaus Gallery in 2020\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, a place he once frequented.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“[couchdate]’s bringing a resurgence, I’d say, of another communal space to check out and support,” Amarinder says. “We’ve had a lot of really beautiful nights in which so many people came and nobody really knew each other. So there were a lot of new connections, all due to the vibe that was created in this beautiful place.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Finding community\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Melika Tabrizi, 28, says couchdate is exactly the kind of creative community she was looking for when she moved to Oakland from Maryland last March. The first night she attended a couchdate jam session, she brought a camera and was filming a bit of the scene. Singh noticed and welcomed her to come again to shoot more. They’re now working on a film project for couchdate. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“It’s been interesting using my art in this space, because I didn’t expect that. It’s just a hobby of mine. And it’s nice that they are seeing my vision,” Tabrizi says. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952896\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952896 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-07-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Afi Ayanna (left) and Tiffany Austin talk together at couchdate in Oakland on Feb. 22. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chris Hall, a lawyer who lives in San Francisco, has been attending events regularly since the fall and comes back for the genuine interactions. “I feel like people present very authentically [at couchdate],” Hall says. “Listening to the music, getting to know the people you’re sitting around. You could go to a jazz club in the city, but you’re probably not going to really talk to anybody other than the people you went with.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Engaging with new people was exactly what Samantha Sherman, a 32-year-old educator, had in mind when she attended a recent game night after learning about couchdate on Instagram. Sherman moved to Oakland from San Francisco last year and is making a point to get out more. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I am very aware that we don’t have any third spaces that are easily accessible and seeking to have \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">us\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, too,” says Sherman, who’s Black. “We kind of make third space in coffee shops and, you know, random places. But this feels like an intentional space to be a third space. So it’s really cool.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘We believe in Oakland’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Singh, Ntama and Graystone continue cultivating their warm, inviting oasis in Oakland, there’s no ignoring the city’s reputation is largely in the gutter right now, with \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/06/business/oakland-crime-business/index.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">national headlines\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> calling out the surge in crime that prompted Governor Gavin Newsom \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11975161/newsom-to-send-state-prosecutors-to-oakland-to-help-crack-down-on-rising-crime\">to send in reinforcements\u003c/a>. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13952891\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13952891 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/240222-COUCHDATE-MD-01-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">couchdate in Oakland on Feb. 22. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But that only has the trio doubling down on their commitment. “We believe in Oakland. We believe in the future of Oakland,” Graystone says. He adds that the next phase of couchdate is a project they’ve launched called \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.tribin.io/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tribin\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">aims to help local residents deepen their connections with small businesses. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Someone has to say, ‘I’m going to stay here,’” Singh says. He admits making that commitment right now means eating some costs, which the couchdate team is willing to do for their greater, community-building mission. “This is just one example of the types of spaces we can create.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>couchdate is located at 1431 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Oakland. \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/couchdate/?hl=en\">Upcoming events can be found on Instagram\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13952472/couchdate-oakland-community-events-music","authors":["11296"],"programs":["arts_140"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_835"],"tags":["arts_10278","arts_681","arts_1143","arts_585"],"featImg":"arts_13952838","label":"arts_140"},"arts_13951286":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13951286","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13951286","score":null,"sort":[1706785253000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-qing-of-queens","title":"The ‘Qing’ of Queens","publishDate":1706785253,"format":"audio","headTitle":"The ‘Qing’ of Queens | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":8720,"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Warning: This episode contains explicit language.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">View the full episode transcript.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/allhailtheqing/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Qing Qi\u003c/a>’s lyrics are explicit for a reason.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She looks at the atrocities that readily happen in this country and all around the world, from bombings to kidnappings, and asks: what’s wrong with saying a few four letter words or euphemisms for genitalia?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Qing Qi also doesn’t shy away from the hardships she’s navigated while living in the Bay Area. She pours her observations and personal experiences into her lyrics, delivering brash bars over bangin’ beats. It doesn’t matter if she’s talking about her “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsMhenbNtjE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Big D\u003c/a>” in a song composed by the late \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/traxamillion/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Traxamillion\u003c/a>, or if she’s spitting bars over a \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/trackademicks/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Trackademicks\u003c/a> production, like last year’s release “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=y0-v8xFUWus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Do It All\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13951317\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13951317 size-large\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-1020x1414.png\" alt=\"Qing Qi spitting bars in the studio. \" width=\"640\" height=\"887\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-1020x1414.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-800x1109.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-160x222.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-768x1064.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM.png 1088w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Qing Qi spitting bars in the studio. \u003ccite>(Kayla de Guzman)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Last year she also got into acting, playing the role of Ally in the indie film \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13937140/donna-and-ally-movie-review-oakland-cousin-shy-quin-qui\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cem>Donna and Ally\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. The movie, written by and co-starring \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/cousinshy/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Cousin Shy\u003c/a>, is a dark slapstick comedy rife with underlying messages that critique the sexist and exploitative nature of our society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Much like Qing Qi herself, Ally’s character is witty but prone to finding herself in unfortunate situations; luckily her resilience allows her to persevere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So this week, we talk to Qing Qi about music and movies, as well as the art of using comedy as a stress reliever, and why being real with your children is the best form of parenthood — and she means being \u003cem>really real\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(Qing Qi and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/putangclanofficial/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pu Tang Clan\u003c/a> are throwing their annual “Kill Your Lover” party on Friday, Feb. 16 at \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/9lives.510/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">9 Lives in Oakland.\u003c/a> You can find \u003ca href=\"https://www.eventbrite.com/e/kill-your-lover-2024-tickets-800352875997\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">more information here\u003c/a>.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecQ1AWSz-m8\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC8892003257&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, host: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wassup yall, It’s ya patna Pen, Pendarvis Harshaw for short. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today we’re talking to the one and only Qing Qi. She’s an artist who’s spent time all around the Bay Area soaking up game, now living in Oakland and doing her thang. She’s a talented MC, who has recently hit the big screen while co-starring in the indie film, “Donna and Ally”.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Qing Qi’s character in the film, Ally, much like Qing Qi herself, is clever, colorful, critical and above all– a real one.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, in clip: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">how do you define yourself as an artist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Qing Qi, in clip: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m art man. You know what I’m saying? Like that’s it. We all are born as artists. And then, like, society or life or something beats it out of us, right? Well, I’m one of those people, you can’t beat it out of me, baby. You know, like, I’m here for art. That’s me. Like when I talk, when I walk, when I, uh.uh uh uh. You feel me? But I, I want to be a superstar, you know? So that’s the answer to the question. My question to you is, so how many Qing Qi songs are on your playlist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I want to say two right now. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s two! Too less. Okay. We need at least 6 to 12. All right.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">six to twelve. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, by the end of this convo I not only add more songs to my playlist, I also walk away understanding Qing Qi’s utter disdain for bathrooms and her profound perspective on parenthood… You’re gonna wanna stay tuned!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Where did you grow up and how did you grow up? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi, guest: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was born in Palo Alto. My dad’s family, my dad is from East Palo Alto and my mom is from Redwood City. So I grew up in both of those places a little bit, but I came to the city when I was 14. That was home. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We grew up homeless. So, you know, I was kind of living a nomadic lifestyle, always having to meet new friends, go to different schools. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Those experiences can be pretty heavy as a child, and I imagine that it informs your art, your view on society. Your views on family, um, and at the same time, you seem to use comedy as like a valve, like a release. And I’m wondering where would you be if you didn’t have comedy as a valve? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Killer \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. I’d be a murderer or something. I’ll be, probably in the pen, you know, with ten bitches. You feel me? Like this! Working out on the yard like ‘You got my shit today?’ You feel me? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think that I probably couldn’t have survived my childhood without comedy. I think, like as an adult now, I’m 30. You know, and I feel like 30 is when you really. Okay, you know, you kind of fucked around in your teens, your 20s, but 30 is when you’re like, let me figure out what I’m doing here. You know, let me try to get on that path. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I be thinking about the legacy of trauma and sexual violence and domestic violence and, you know, um, institutionalization in my families on both side of my families. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, you grow up mad at your parents. And then as an adult now I’m like, ‘damn, like y’all did what ya’ll could to survive.’ And thank God, they’re hella funny people, you know, like, they’re mean, trifling, dirty, shady. Don’t leave $5 around… around them people, but they’re fucking hilarious, you know? So, um. Yeah. We don’t want to know where I’d be without comedy. \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You didn’t get into arts until you were in your teenage years. What was your introduction to it? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My family is really musical. Like my brother, he loved Frank Sinatra, my oldest brother.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like I used to go steal his CDs from, you know, the big CD cases we had that was like a, it was like a book! He had all the NAS, Jay-Z. He had a Will Smith CD, like, you know, all the all the shit.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I used to always just be influenced by, like, his musical taste, and my mom, Bob Marley, Johnny Cash, like, all the, like, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, you know. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I would probably say through poetry and writing I started fucking wit it probably when I was in elementary school. But my brother started rapping at the Boys and Girls Club. They had a like fire studio in the Boys and Girls Club, and he was rapping. So, you know, I… a lot of times I’d see my brother do something I’m like, oh, ‘he could do it, I could do it.’ \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then I just started rapping. We got a little girl group together. We was writing the songs, you know, and, um, I don’t know, I feel like from starting music, um, like… in the studio at 12 to like 2017, when I really dropped my first project, I was trying to find my voice, you know, and trying to figure out my creative path and then 2017, I found it. \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[snaps]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I ran with it, and now I’m like, on a new exploration, you know, like, as an artist, you always meet yourself every year. You’re a different person, every experience there’s different art.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I love the fact that you said you meet yourself, you constantly meet yourself, and you’re growing and you evolve as a person and as an artist. But before we get there, take me back to when you first started. Do you remember what your goal was as an artist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I first started, my goal was to find an engineer and a place to record that I felt comfortable and safe as an artist. It was so hard for the first years trying to find a studio where I can make music and explore my sound and get comfortable. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now it’s like, that seems so far away from now, where my mind is and what my goals are now, you know? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">With that said, though, in your music. You talk unapologetically about your appreciation for women, your disdain for sexism and double standards, and you regularly crack jokes about, like, masculine tropes and things like that. And so with that evolution that you’ve experienced in your life, what’s your goal now as an artist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Challenge myself creatively. You know, like my brother, he always be telling me: “Every morning, get up, move your body in a different way. Like do a weird dance. Listen to a different sound because it affects, like, our brain waves and like our body rhythms. And if you can expose yourself to something different physically or, you know, phonetically, then you can make something new as a musician, as an artist.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I love it, more evolution. You organize events mostly in the Bay, but often in L.A. as well. You have the recurring event “Pussy Function”, which is a rap party, and then show, and then you have the “Kill Your Lover”, which is an event that you throw around Valentine’s Day. And at these events, you’re mindful to work with specifically women, Black women. And I’m wondering what are the highlights of being deeply involved in this circle of Black women creatives in the Bay Area? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As a little girl, I would look at some women and I would be like, wow, like, look how poppin they are. Like, look how beautiful they are like. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Qing Qi, in song]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve been up and I’ve been down\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve been depressed but I’m okay now\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve been doubted and discouraged\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m just tryna make my way out.\u003c/span>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The number one thing is that I get to experience that every time I throw a show, every time we are in community, like last night we had pussy function and I could stop and do a 360 and be like, oh, boom, she over here is doing this. She does this, she does. And it’s everybody’s hella talented and beautiful and creative and… it just makes me feel like, oh I’m like satisfying that little girl’s dreams of, like, that’s the kind of woman I wanted to be, you know, like, sometimes I stop and I’m like, I am that! Look at all my poppin’ ass friends and look at this sick shit we’re doing, you know? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Qing Qi, in song]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You gon’ make it to the top\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I be like go bitch, go bitch, you got it keep winning\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So that’s the number one thing. And the number two thing is being able to pay my people, you know, like, just like when I get paid for my art, like, I could cry, you know, that somebody feels this is valuable enough to give me money that was their time, you know, and their effort, for me to just show up and talk my shit on a microphone. So to be able to give that feeling to my peers, I don’t know, I just, it makes me feel like this is a success.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like little you is really happy with who big you became?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every time I’m sad, I think about where I’ve been before, you know? And think about how 15 years ago you would have fucking, uhhhh, what you would have done to be where you are right now, you know? So… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, it made me think of little me as well. Dang! Like, now look at me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This what you got to do. You got to stop and, like, picture yourself on the beach with little you, and he’s running to you. And he jumps in your arms and you swing him around. You guys are like, ahhhhhh, you know? That’s what you gotta do. That’s how you heal your inner child.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t know if current me could carry little me? \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs] \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah yeah, um a lot of elements of your life… things you talked about, The appreciation of Black woman sisterhood, of your experiences growing up, of just being in Oakland. They are elements that also appear in the film that you acted in, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donna and Ally,\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> which is written in and and co-stars Cousin Shy. It was recently released. I won’t give away all the details, but again, it’s about friendship. It dabbles in, uh, professional sex work, dominatrix work. Um, it’s about hustling. It’s about Oakland. Uh, how much of this film is based on your real life experiences? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well I mean\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">when Shy had come to me about doing the film and I didn’t know her at that time, um, she was telling me, like, “I wrote this. I started writing this character around who I see you as on. It’s like Instagram.” You know, like, that’s how she… she had come across me. Um, so when I was, um, getting into the script, I’m like, ‘oh, this ain’t acting. Oh, man. I mean me and Ally ain’t that different,’ You feel me? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Um, and I never, like, done dominatrix work. But I would say for the most part, all of it is pretty, like, you know, they’re in a group home. I was in foster home. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ally trying to make it and having to, like, be in Donna’s ear, like, come on, like we the shit. I’m not going down like this. I’m not going out like this!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donna’s she’s kind of like, a little off, kind of getting fucking shit up a lot, you know, dealing with her own, like, issues, like with the PMDD. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Movie clip from Donna and Ally]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donna: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Let me worry about me.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ally:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “…Not the bitch who was just finna fight Trina over nothing! Look, we can’t fuck this club up, if we fuck this club up, that’s it for us Donna. There’s no give back. It’s done for us.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donna:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “That’s okay I’ve got it. I can control it. Let me control it. Let me worry about me.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ally:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “Bitch, let me find out you can control these demonic ass episodes after thirteen years! The fuck?”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donna:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “I’ve been breathing, doing those exercises. Sometimes I sit with my legs crossed, and just sit there and be still and I don’t do nothing…”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ally:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “You mean like, meditate?”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donna: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Yeah, yeah, sometimes I meditate. I’ve got it. Believe in me, like I believe in you.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ally: \u003c/b>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[sighs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “Okay, I guess.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And, um, so, I don’t know, I feel like it definitely, there’s a lot of similarities, but I think it’s such a relatable experience for young women of color from the Bay area in general, because I have so many people coming… people came up to me at the Oakland premiere and the Memphis premiere, crying like, “Man, like I was feeling it.” I’m like, this was a comedy. Like what? Where is the tears? But, you know, it’s just like people seeing their unique experiences, you know, reflected back to them. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you have a favorite scene from that film? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The whole scene of Ally and Donna, when they’re kind of at a point where they’re in conflict and what they both need is conflicting, and they’re kind of getting into it. I hated filming that scene, like I hated it! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Uh, I hate bathrooms. They disgust me. I just like, even my own bathroom. I just be like, fuck, I can’t believe I have to do this so many times a day, you know? And we had to, like, roll around on this bathroom floor near a toilet. Uh uh uh, I was like, uh uh, but I loved seeing it on screen.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Movie clip, in which Donna and Ally fight on the ground. Donna is crying.]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi as Ally: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What happened to all your monster strength, huh? You’re just a basic bitch now.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t know,\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">it also made me feel like me and Shy got closer, you know, doing those scenes, where it was like, we were more serious with each other. We were mad at each other. We are fighting. She pees on me, like, you know. So yeah, that’s probably my favorite. And Shy looked good the whole movie but I definitely looked good during those scenes, you know. \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You also have a devout following that has a name, a group. What’s the name of the group that supports you, the collective that supports you?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pu \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tang Clan! You feel me? Eyyyy, Taaang Gaaang! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, from the jump, it always felt hella tight, you know, like, um, when we started, we were a group of 10 girls who were all rapping and performing. And now we boil down to like, you know, me and my sister are the solid, consistent two and we have a revolving door of artists and creators that support us and are a part of Pu Tang and, you know, really came into a movement for real. Like there’s somebody in Washington and they sent me their tattoo it says “Tang Gang”. Like, you know, people really go hard for it! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music – FWM by Qing Qi]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You ain’t gotta hit licks when you fucking with me\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Only bad little chicks when you fucking with Qi\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Niggas all up in my phone, bout seven for free\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Said they never cop a plea but they do it for me\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When we was at Pussy Function and my sister was performing, she was like, “I’ma say, Pu, you say Tang! Pu!…” And everybody throwing it up, and it just, it just made me feel like, uh, you know, like, it just makes you feel so happy to be a woman and a femme person. And I just love women. Like, I always thought I was gay, you know, like I always did. And I’m not, you know. I aint …I, you feel me? But it’s just, I love women like, they’re amazing, you know? And so, yeah, it’s just it’s constantly just good, good energy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I love it, I love how outspoken you are and you don’t hold anything back. You’re very clear about who you are, and what you’re projecting, even when you have questions about yourself, you will vocalize that. When I saw you freestyle in 2022, at the second Monday event presented by Gold Beams, your child was there and you didn’t hold anything back, even with him around. What, what does your son make of your performances? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">when he came to the Oakland premiere of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donna and Ally\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and he was disturbed. He was like, you know, the dildos, the…he looked at me, he said, “I hate this. I absolutely hate this.” \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">he’s proud of me or whatever but um, and when he was younger, you know, he used to go a lot harder with it, like, “Yeah, turn it up, mom!” But now as he’s growing into, you know, he’s a young man, he has his own thing. He listens to his own music. He’s his…he knows who he is.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s interesting how like, being so vulgar… Like this lady told me last night at the film festival, the Afro Comic Con Fest Film Festival, she said, “I loved your video. I loved your video. Quite vulgar, actually it was really vulgar,” and she was like, “you know, even if you cleaned it up a little bit, like take all the cuss words out, you could show it in schools.” And I’m just like, “Okay, cool. Like, yeah, what a great suggestion.” You know, it’s crazy how much weight people put on cuss words! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ya know! When like as we’re chilling, as I’m on my couch, like children are being bombs, you know, and it’s not even like children are being bombed for the first time, you know, and like, women are going missing and like, just mainey shit happens in the world that we support, like, unintentionally or subconsciously or financially every day that you think a kid hearing me say, ‘fuck the DA, the FDA, you know, like fuck a man who give a rapist leeway!’ Like that’s a problem, you know? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, I don’t know, I just I think it’s interesting that because, like, you can’t be a good parent or a or a respectable or agreeable parent if you’re so vulgar or explicit, you know, it’s like, “Oh, your son’s around. Don’t say that.” And I’m like, ‘No, my son’s around. I have to say that. Come on, Brody, like.’ \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait, say that again. Say that again. Your son’s around. “I have to say that.” Like that is a profound sentiment. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m a profound person nah \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. My son, he sees me every day working hard and putting myself out there for something I believe in and something I love, you know? And in a way, it’s like I’m very much the 4 year old, 5 year old, 12 year old child that, you know, experienced these like crazy traumas, you know, so I’m I’m coming into these spaces as that child a lot of times, like healing myself and, you know, being honest with myself and making space and allowing that child to be present. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I was growing up, my mom never really told me the truth. Like she used to, I used to walk in on her crying, but she would never, like, sit down and be candid with me or tell me how she felt or how hard it was for her, you know, that affects you as a kid.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was so hard for me to see my mother’s humanity because she never had that emotional like connection to, you know, like, let me in, in that way. So I always told myself, you know what, I’m going to tell my son… You know, I ain’t telling him all my business, but I’m going to talk to him truthfully. And I’ma tell him, ahh, look, you know, and like, I smoke weed. My son’s always. He told me he’s like, “you are limiting your potential. You need to put the weed down and you need to get to the gym with me.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I said, ‘Listen, you are right, but I am depressed and therefore I’m gonna make it to the gym when I can. But in the meantime, I’m finna smoke some weed because it helps me get through it for now. Okay?’ And you know, he understands, like I’ve built a foundation for him. He knows who he is. He knows how to process his emotions. He has space to share his emotions and disagree with me. I’m not always right. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Maybe it’s not something people can believe that you can be like,”Pussy ass bitch. Fuck that nigga there!” And then my son’s like, “Hello? How are you doing? Yes. Nice to meet you. Thank you.” You know, um, but it’s working \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Parenting 101. I did not expect to get that from Qing Qi but also, that’s exactly what you’re saying! Don’t judge someone from the outside. Really take time to understand the method to the madness, especially in this world that’s so full of madness. And you are keeping it 100 with your son, which, honesty is the best policy, like they always say that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so. Yeah. Wow. Well, yeah. I’m sorry, I’m just thinking about how much I shelter my daughter from, like, cuss words or I try, you know, you get uneasy… a romantic scene might come up on the film. It’s not necessarily sex, but it’s like something romantic. You know, you get uneasy when you watch that with your parent. You’re like ehhhh.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m trying to tell my daughter it’s okay to express love when you’re an adult, you know, and of age and can consent. And at the same time, let’s change the channel. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. Right. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> But you’re like, nah, let’s talk about it. Let’s be real. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> What’s next for you as an artist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I’m a full time student. I go to Laney College. Shout out to the Peralta Community College network. Um, I’m taking, like, digital media classes, theater, um, you know, script writing. I feel like \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donna and Ally \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">was definitely, like, opened a part of my brain that I didn’t see for myself yet. Um, so I’m getting into film, like script writing and shorts and just trying to immerse myself into that world of acting. And, you know, shit maybe do a little play or something.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, and Pu-Tang! I am transitioning Pu-Tang Clan into a cooperative, so we are going to transition to event production and, a creative production cooperative. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many hats, I can appreciate it. As an artist that’s the way to keep the ball rolling, like constantly, constantly on the move, constantly growing. Of all those things that you mentioned, do any of them make you nervous? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Money. Like, that’s cra-… It’s crazy that my first answers are money, but being able to show up financially in that way and keep my word, you know, when somebody shares their art or shares space with me is really important to me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My rent going to have to wait, you know? Fuck rent! Art over rent. By the time they try to evict me, I’m already had pay the rent. You feel me? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">love it. More of it. Um, keep sharing your voice because there’s definitely audiences listening and audiences learning from you. And I’m part of that audience so thank you. For sure\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Right, right. Thank you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Qing Qi, you are as real as they come. Thank you! Thank you for taking time out of your schedule to chop it up, give some insight that I needed to hear and share your story with everyone on the internet, ever. Yeah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">To keep up with Qing Qi’s events, movies and more, find her on the socials– her IG is allhailtheqing. That’s A-L-L-H-A-i-L-T-H-E-Q-i-N-G. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Find her music on all streaming platforms, keep in mind that her name is spelled Q-i-N-G Q-i. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if you’re in the Bay, pull up to her “Kill Your Lover” party on Feb 16th at 9 Lives in Oakland.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This episode was hosted by me, Pendarvis Harshaw. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was produced by Marisol Medina-Cadena. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chris Hambrick is our editor. Sheree Bishop is our production intern. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Christopher Beale is our engineer. 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She pours her observations and personal experiences into her lyrics, delivering brash bars over bangin’ beats. It doesn’t matter if she’s talking about her “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsMhenbNtjE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Big D\u003c/a>” in a song composed by the late \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/traxamillion/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Traxamillion\u003c/a>, or if she’s spitting bars over a \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/trackademicks/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Trackademicks\u003c/a> production, like last year’s release “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=y0-v8xFUWus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Do It All\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13951317\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13951317 size-large\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-1020x1414.png\" alt=\"Qing Qi spitting bars in the studio. \" width=\"640\" height=\"887\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-1020x1414.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-800x1109.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-160x222.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM-768x1064.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-31-at-12.11.10-PM.png 1088w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Qing Qi spitting bars in the studio. \u003ccite>(Kayla de Guzman)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Last year she also got into acting, playing the role of Ally in the indie film \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13937140/donna-and-ally-movie-review-oakland-cousin-shy-quin-qui\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cem>Donna and Ally\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. The movie, written by and co-starring \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/cousinshy/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Cousin Shy\u003c/a>, is a dark slapstick comedy rife with underlying messages that critique the sexist and exploitative nature of our society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Much like Qing Qi herself, Ally’s character is witty but prone to finding herself in unfortunate situations; luckily her resilience allows her to persevere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So this week, we talk to Qing Qi about music and movies, as well as the art of using comedy as a stress reliever, and why being real with your children is the best form of parenthood — and she means being \u003cem>really real\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(Qing Qi and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/putangclanofficial/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pu Tang Clan\u003c/a> are throwing their annual “Kill Your Lover” party on Friday, Feb. 16 at \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/9lives.510/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">9 Lives in Oakland.\u003c/a> You can find \u003ca href=\"https://www.eventbrite.com/e/kill-your-lover-2024-tickets-800352875997\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">more information here\u003c/a>.)\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/ecQ1AWSz-m8'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/ecQ1AWSz-m8'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC8892003257&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, host: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wassup yall, It’s ya patna Pen, Pendarvis Harshaw for short. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today we’re talking to the one and only Qing Qi. She’s an artist who’s spent time all around the Bay Area soaking up game, now living in Oakland and doing her thang. She’s a talented MC, who has recently hit the big screen while co-starring in the indie film, “Donna and Ally”.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Qing Qi’s character in the film, Ally, much like Qing Qi herself, is clever, colorful, critical and above all– a real one.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, in clip: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">how do you define yourself as an artist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Qing Qi, in clip: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m art man. You know what I’m saying? Like that’s it. We all are born as artists. And then, like, society or life or something beats it out of us, right? Well, I’m one of those people, you can’t beat it out of me, baby. You know, like, I’m here for art. That’s me. Like when I talk, when I walk, when I, uh.uh uh uh. You feel me? But I, I want to be a superstar, you know? So that’s the answer to the question. My question to you is, so how many Qing Qi songs are on your playlist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I want to say two right now. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s two! Too less. Okay. We need at least 6 to 12. All right.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">six to twelve. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, by the end of this convo I not only add more songs to my playlist, I also walk away understanding Qing Qi’s utter disdain for bathrooms and her profound perspective on parenthood… You’re gonna wanna stay tuned!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Where did you grow up and how did you grow up? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi, guest: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was born in Palo Alto. My dad’s family, my dad is from East Palo Alto and my mom is from Redwood City. So I grew up in both of those places a little bit, but I came to the city when I was 14. That was home. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We grew up homeless. So, you know, I was kind of living a nomadic lifestyle, always having to meet new friends, go to different schools. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Those experiences can be pretty heavy as a child, and I imagine that it informs your art, your view on society. Your views on family, um, and at the same time, you seem to use comedy as like a valve, like a release. And I’m wondering where would you be if you didn’t have comedy as a valve? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Killer \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. I’d be a murderer or something. I’ll be, probably in the pen, you know, with ten bitches. You feel me? Like this! Working out on the yard like ‘You got my shit today?’ You feel me? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think that I probably couldn’t have survived my childhood without comedy. I think, like as an adult now, I’m 30. You know, and I feel like 30 is when you really. Okay, you know, you kind of fucked around in your teens, your 20s, but 30 is when you’re like, let me figure out what I’m doing here. You know, let me try to get on that path. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I be thinking about the legacy of trauma and sexual violence and domestic violence and, you know, um, institutionalization in my families on both side of my families. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, you grow up mad at your parents. And then as an adult now I’m like, ‘damn, like y’all did what ya’ll could to survive.’ And thank God, they’re hella funny people, you know, like, they’re mean, trifling, dirty, shady. Don’t leave $5 around… around them people, but they’re fucking hilarious, you know? So, um. Yeah. We don’t want to know where I’d be without comedy. \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You didn’t get into arts until you were in your teenage years. What was your introduction to it? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My family is really musical. Like my brother, he loved Frank Sinatra, my oldest brother.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like I used to go steal his CDs from, you know, the big CD cases we had that was like a, it was like a book! He had all the NAS, Jay-Z. He had a Will Smith CD, like, you know, all the all the shit.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I used to always just be influenced by, like, his musical taste, and my mom, Bob Marley, Johnny Cash, like, all the, like, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, you know. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I would probably say through poetry and writing I started fucking wit it probably when I was in elementary school. But my brother started rapping at the Boys and Girls Club. They had a like fire studio in the Boys and Girls Club, and he was rapping. So, you know, I… a lot of times I’d see my brother do something I’m like, oh, ‘he could do it, I could do it.’ \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then I just started rapping. We got a little girl group together. We was writing the songs, you know, and, um, I don’t know, I feel like from starting music, um, like… in the studio at 12 to like 2017, when I really dropped my first project, I was trying to find my voice, you know, and trying to figure out my creative path and then 2017, I found it. \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[snaps]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I ran with it, and now I’m like, on a new exploration, you know, like, as an artist, you always meet yourself every year. You’re a different person, every experience there’s different art.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I love the fact that you said you meet yourself, you constantly meet yourself, and you’re growing and you evolve as a person and as an artist. But before we get there, take me back to when you first started. Do you remember what your goal was as an artist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I first started, my goal was to find an engineer and a place to record that I felt comfortable and safe as an artist. It was so hard for the first years trying to find a studio where I can make music and explore my sound and get comfortable. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now it’s like, that seems so far away from now, where my mind is and what my goals are now, you know? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">With that said, though, in your music. You talk unapologetically about your appreciation for women, your disdain for sexism and double standards, and you regularly crack jokes about, like, masculine tropes and things like that. And so with that evolution that you’ve experienced in your life, what’s your goal now as an artist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Challenge myself creatively. You know, like my brother, he always be telling me: “Every morning, get up, move your body in a different way. Like do a weird dance. Listen to a different sound because it affects, like, our brain waves and like our body rhythms. And if you can expose yourself to something different physically or, you know, phonetically, then you can make something new as a musician, as an artist.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I love it, more evolution. You organize events mostly in the Bay, but often in L.A. as well. You have the recurring event “Pussy Function”, which is a rap party, and then show, and then you have the “Kill Your Lover”, which is an event that you throw around Valentine’s Day. And at these events, you’re mindful to work with specifically women, Black women. And I’m wondering what are the highlights of being deeply involved in this circle of Black women creatives in the Bay Area? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As a little girl, I would look at some women and I would be like, wow, like, look how poppin they are. Like, look how beautiful they are like. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Qing Qi, in song]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve been up and I’ve been down\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve been depressed but I’m okay now\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve been doubted and discouraged\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m just tryna make my way out.\u003c/span>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The number one thing is that I get to experience that every time I throw a show, every time we are in community, like last night we had pussy function and I could stop and do a 360 and be like, oh, boom, she over here is doing this. She does this, she does. And it’s everybody’s hella talented and beautiful and creative and… it just makes me feel like, oh I’m like satisfying that little girl’s dreams of, like, that’s the kind of woman I wanted to be, you know, like, sometimes I stop and I’m like, I am that! Look at all my poppin’ ass friends and look at this sick shit we’re doing, you know? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Qing Qi, in song]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You gon’ make it to the top\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I be like go bitch, go bitch, you got it keep winning\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So that’s the number one thing. And the number two thing is being able to pay my people, you know, like, just like when I get paid for my art, like, I could cry, you know, that somebody feels this is valuable enough to give me money that was their time, you know, and their effort, for me to just show up and talk my shit on a microphone. So to be able to give that feeling to my peers, I don’t know, I just, it makes me feel like this is a success.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like little you is really happy with who big you became?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every time I’m sad, I think about where I’ve been before, you know? And think about how 15 years ago you would have fucking, uhhhh, what you would have done to be where you are right now, you know? So… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, it made me think of little me as well. Dang! Like, now look at me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This what you got to do. You got to stop and, like, picture yourself on the beach with little you, and he’s running to you. And he jumps in your arms and you swing him around. You guys are like, ahhhhhh, you know? That’s what you gotta do. That’s how you heal your inner child.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t know if current me could carry little me? \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs] \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah yeah, um a lot of elements of your life… things you talked about, The appreciation of Black woman sisterhood, of your experiences growing up, of just being in Oakland. They are elements that also appear in the film that you acted in, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donna and Ally,\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> which is written in and and co-stars Cousin Shy. It was recently released. I won’t give away all the details, but again, it’s about friendship. It dabbles in, uh, professional sex work, dominatrix work. Um, it’s about hustling. It’s about Oakland. Uh, how much of this film is based on your real life experiences? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well I mean\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">when Shy had come to me about doing the film and I didn’t know her at that time, um, she was telling me, like, “I wrote this. I started writing this character around who I see you as on. It’s like Instagram.” You know, like, that’s how she… she had come across me. Um, so when I was, um, getting into the script, I’m like, ‘oh, this ain’t acting. Oh, man. I mean me and Ally ain’t that different,’ You feel me? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Um, and I never, like, done dominatrix work. But I would say for the most part, all of it is pretty, like, you know, they’re in a group home. I was in foster home. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ally trying to make it and having to, like, be in Donna’s ear, like, come on, like we the shit. I’m not going down like this. I’m not going out like this!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donna’s she’s kind of like, a little off, kind of getting fucking shit up a lot, you know, dealing with her own, like, issues, like with the PMDD. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Movie clip from Donna and Ally]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donna: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Let me worry about me.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ally:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “…Not the bitch who was just finna fight Trina over nothing! Look, we can’t fuck this club up, if we fuck this club up, that’s it for us Donna. There’s no give back. It’s done for us.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donna:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “That’s okay I’ve got it. I can control it. Let me control it. Let me worry about me.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ally:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “Bitch, let me find out you can control these demonic ass episodes after thirteen years! The fuck?”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donna:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “I’ve been breathing, doing those exercises. Sometimes I sit with my legs crossed, and just sit there and be still and I don’t do nothing…”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ally:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “You mean like, meditate?”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donna: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Yeah, yeah, sometimes I meditate. I’ve got it. Believe in me, like I believe in you.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ally: \u003c/b>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[sighs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “Okay, I guess.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And, um, so, I don’t know, I feel like it definitely, there’s a lot of similarities, but I think it’s such a relatable experience for young women of color from the Bay area in general, because I have so many people coming… people came up to me at the Oakland premiere and the Memphis premiere, crying like, “Man, like I was feeling it.” I’m like, this was a comedy. Like what? Where is the tears? But, you know, it’s just like people seeing their unique experiences, you know, reflected back to them. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you have a favorite scene from that film? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The whole scene of Ally and Donna, when they’re kind of at a point where they’re in conflict and what they both need is conflicting, and they’re kind of getting into it. I hated filming that scene, like I hated it! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Uh, I hate bathrooms. They disgust me. I just like, even my own bathroom. I just be like, fuck, I can’t believe I have to do this so many times a day, you know? And we had to, like, roll around on this bathroom floor near a toilet. Uh uh uh, I was like, uh uh, but I loved seeing it on screen.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Movie clip, in which Donna and Ally fight on the ground. Donna is crying.]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi as Ally: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What happened to all your monster strength, huh? You’re just a basic bitch now.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t know,\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">it also made me feel like me and Shy got closer, you know, doing those scenes, where it was like, we were more serious with each other. We were mad at each other. We are fighting. She pees on me, like, you know. So yeah, that’s probably my favorite. And Shy looked good the whole movie but I definitely looked good during those scenes, you know. \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You also have a devout following that has a name, a group. What’s the name of the group that supports you, the collective that supports you?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pu \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tang Clan! You feel me? Eyyyy, Taaang Gaaang! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, from the jump, it always felt hella tight, you know, like, um, when we started, we were a group of 10 girls who were all rapping and performing. And now we boil down to like, you know, me and my sister are the solid, consistent two and we have a revolving door of artists and creators that support us and are a part of Pu Tang and, you know, really came into a movement for real. Like there’s somebody in Washington and they sent me their tattoo it says “Tang Gang”. Like, you know, people really go hard for it! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music – FWM by Qing Qi]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You ain’t gotta hit licks when you fucking with me\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Only bad little chicks when you fucking with Qi\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Niggas all up in my phone, bout seven for free\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Said they never cop a plea but they do it for me\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When we was at Pussy Function and my sister was performing, she was like, “I’ma say, Pu, you say Tang! Pu!…” And everybody throwing it up, and it just, it just made me feel like, uh, you know, like, it just makes you feel so happy to be a woman and a femme person. And I just love women. Like, I always thought I was gay, you know, like I always did. And I’m not, you know. I aint …I, you feel me? But it’s just, I love women like, they’re amazing, you know? And so, yeah, it’s just it’s constantly just good, good energy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I love it, I love how outspoken you are and you don’t hold anything back. You’re very clear about who you are, and what you’re projecting, even when you have questions about yourself, you will vocalize that. When I saw you freestyle in 2022, at the second Monday event presented by Gold Beams, your child was there and you didn’t hold anything back, even with him around. What, what does your son make of your performances? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">when he came to the Oakland premiere of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donna and Ally\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and he was disturbed. He was like, you know, the dildos, the…he looked at me, he said, “I hate this. I absolutely hate this.” \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">he’s proud of me or whatever but um, and when he was younger, you know, he used to go a lot harder with it, like, “Yeah, turn it up, mom!” But now as he’s growing into, you know, he’s a young man, he has his own thing. He listens to his own music. He’s his…he knows who he is.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s interesting how like, being so vulgar… Like this lady told me last night at the film festival, the Afro Comic Con Fest Film Festival, she said, “I loved your video. I loved your video. Quite vulgar, actually it was really vulgar,” and she was like, “you know, even if you cleaned it up a little bit, like take all the cuss words out, you could show it in schools.” And I’m just like, “Okay, cool. Like, yeah, what a great suggestion.” You know, it’s crazy how much weight people put on cuss words! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ya know! When like as we’re chilling, as I’m on my couch, like children are being bombs, you know, and it’s not even like children are being bombed for the first time, you know, and like, women are going missing and like, just mainey shit happens in the world that we support, like, unintentionally or subconsciously or financially every day that you think a kid hearing me say, ‘fuck the DA, the FDA, you know, like fuck a man who give a rapist leeway!’ Like that’s a problem, you know? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, I don’t know, I just I think it’s interesting that because, like, you can’t be a good parent or a or a respectable or agreeable parent if you’re so vulgar or explicit, you know, it’s like, “Oh, your son’s around. Don’t say that.” And I’m like, ‘No, my son’s around. I have to say that. Come on, Brody, like.’ \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait, say that again. Say that again. Your son’s around. “I have to say that.” Like that is a profound sentiment. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m a profound person nah \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. My son, he sees me every day working hard and putting myself out there for something I believe in and something I love, you know? And in a way, it’s like I’m very much the 4 year old, 5 year old, 12 year old child that, you know, experienced these like crazy traumas, you know, so I’m I’m coming into these spaces as that child a lot of times, like healing myself and, you know, being honest with myself and making space and allowing that child to be present. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I was growing up, my mom never really told me the truth. Like she used to, I used to walk in on her crying, but she would never, like, sit down and be candid with me or tell me how she felt or how hard it was for her, you know, that affects you as a kid.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was so hard for me to see my mother’s humanity because she never had that emotional like connection to, you know, like, let me in, in that way. So I always told myself, you know what, I’m going to tell my son… You know, I ain’t telling him all my business, but I’m going to talk to him truthfully. And I’ma tell him, ahh, look, you know, and like, I smoke weed. My son’s always. He told me he’s like, “you are limiting your potential. You need to put the weed down and you need to get to the gym with me.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I said, ‘Listen, you are right, but I am depressed and therefore I’m gonna make it to the gym when I can. But in the meantime, I’m finna smoke some weed because it helps me get through it for now. Okay?’ And you know, he understands, like I’ve built a foundation for him. He knows who he is. He knows how to process his emotions. He has space to share his emotions and disagree with me. I’m not always right. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Maybe it’s not something people can believe that you can be like,”Pussy ass bitch. Fuck that nigga there!” And then my son’s like, “Hello? How are you doing? Yes. Nice to meet you. Thank you.” You know, um, but it’s working \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Parenting 101. I did not expect to get that from Qing Qi but also, that’s exactly what you’re saying! Don’t judge someone from the outside. Really take time to understand the method to the madness, especially in this world that’s so full of madness. And you are keeping it 100 with your son, which, honesty is the best policy, like they always say that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so. Yeah. Wow. Well, yeah. I’m sorry, I’m just thinking about how much I shelter my daughter from, like, cuss words or I try, you know, you get uneasy… a romantic scene might come up on the film. It’s not necessarily sex, but it’s like something romantic. You know, you get uneasy when you watch that with your parent. You’re like ehhhh.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m trying to tell my daughter it’s okay to express love when you’re an adult, you know, and of age and can consent. And at the same time, let’s change the channel. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. Right. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> But you’re like, nah, let’s talk about it. Let’s be real. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> What’s next for you as an artist? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I’m a full time student. I go to Laney College. Shout out to the Peralta Community College network. Um, I’m taking, like, digital media classes, theater, um, you know, script writing. I feel like \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donna and Ally \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">was definitely, like, opened a part of my brain that I didn’t see for myself yet. Um, so I’m getting into film, like script writing and shorts and just trying to immerse myself into that world of acting. And, you know, shit maybe do a little play or something.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, and Pu-Tang! I am transitioning Pu-Tang Clan into a cooperative, so we are going to transition to event production and, a creative production cooperative. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many hats, I can appreciate it. As an artist that’s the way to keep the ball rolling, like constantly, constantly on the move, constantly growing. Of all those things that you mentioned, do any of them make you nervous? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Money. Like, that’s cra-… It’s crazy that my first answers are money, but being able to show up financially in that way and keep my word, you know, when somebody shares their art or shares space with me is really important to me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My rent going to have to wait, you know? Fuck rent! Art over rent. By the time they try to evict me, I’m already had pay the rent. You feel me? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">love it. More of it. Um, keep sharing your voice because there’s definitely audiences listening and audiences learning from you. And I’m part of that audience so thank you. For sure\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Qing Qi:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Right, right. Thank you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Qing Qi, you are as real as they come. Thank you! Thank you for taking time out of your schedule to chop it up, give some insight that I needed to hear and share your story with everyone on the internet, ever. Yeah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">To keep up with Qing Qi’s events, movies and more, find her on the socials– her IG is allhailtheqing. That’s A-L-L-H-A-i-L-T-H-E-Q-i-N-G. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Find her music on all streaming platforms, keep in mind that her name is spelled Q-i-N-G Q-i. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if you’re in the Bay, pull up to her “Kill Your Lover” party on Feb 16th at 9 Lives in Oakland.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This episode was hosted by me, Pendarvis Harshaw. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was produced by Marisol Medina-Cadena. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chris Hambrick is our editor. Sheree Bishop is our production intern. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Christopher Beale is our engineer. Additional support provided by Jen Chien, Katie Sprenger, Cesar Saldaña, Ugur Dursun and Holly Kernan.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you all for listening, be sure to tell a friend to tap in, leave a comment, rate the podcast, all of that. 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In the 1970s and 1980s, she maintained multi-year romantic relationships with both Governor Jerry Brown and \u003cem>Star Wars\u003c/em> director George Lucas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID='arts_13900041']Along the way, Ronstadt became a legend of country, rock, Latin music and the Great American Songbook, winning 11 Grammy Awards in an exceptionally male-dominated industry. Now 77, she is no longer able to sing due to progressive supranuclear palsy, and announced her retirement in 2011.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gomez, the 31-year-old star of the Hulu series \u003cem>Only Murders in the Building\u003c/em> and a Grammy-nominated pop singer in her own right, has been teasing a new album due to release in 2024. 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Like Ronstadt, Gomez is of Mexican descent. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13861650","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>According to \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://variety.com/2024/film/news/selena-gomez-linda-ronstadt-biopic-1235867917/\">Variety\u003c/a>\u003c/em>, producers include John Boylan, Ronstadt’s manager, and James Keach, producer of the 2019 documentary \u003cem>Linda Ronstadt: The Sound of My Voice\u003c/em>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While no other casting has been announced, the sheer number of major figures in Ronstadt’s career and personal life could call for an extensive cast list.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ronstadt performed with the Eagles, recorded with Dolly Parton and Emmylou Harris, toured with Neil Young and Jackson Browne, resurrected Nelson Riddle’s career and released two albums of mariachi music with Mexican legends. 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Marble-topped counters, scavenged from the demolition site of a Catholic rectory, serve as the bar. There are dramatic, crushed-velvet curtains on each side of the stage, a bike suspended from the ceiling and, of course, the titular rickshaw in the corner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even though it can make you feel like you’ve slipped into some ramshackle fairytale realm, the venue actually exists for a pretty mundane reason: zoning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This block is a really wild block,” says Christopher White, the venue’s owner. Rickshaw Stop’s section of the street has housed restaurants, repair shops, hotels and offices over the years. When White and co-founder Waldo Williams approached it in 2003, it was a disused soundstage where companies shot commercials in the 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Waldo and I were like ‘Ooh, we could build something here,’” White says. They knew, since the block also housed food establishments, they could apply for a liquor license. “So that’s why we ended up getting the place.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenty years later, Rickshaw Stop hosts concerts most nights of the week with a slate of up-and-coming indie bands and artists, many from right here in the Bay Area. This month, they’ll celebrate their 20th anniversary with \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13935783/rickshaw-stop-20th-anniversary-celebration\">a series of shows that kicks off Jan. 5\u003c/a> and runs throughout the month into February. The lineup is full of independent musicians, particularly local ones, who have played there over the years, including San Francisco punks Pardoner and Oakland garage-rock stylists \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13928718/fake-fruit-is-the-best-emerging-band-in-the-bay-is-the-universe-conspiring-against-them\">Fake Fruit\u003c/a>, as well as those who have since graduated to wider acclaim, like K. Flay and Shannon Shaw.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13939952\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13939952\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"a young woman with dark hair and a dark dress plays a white guitar on stage in purple lighting\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hannah D’Amato of Oakland’s Fake Fruit, seen here performing at Pitchfork Music Festival London in 2022, will play a Rickshaw Stop anniversary show Jan. 18, 2024. \u003ccite>(Burak Cingi/Redferns)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Despite its current reputation as a rock venue, the dream of Rickshaw Stop started as the dream of a \u003cem>club\u003c/em> club — the kind with pulsating beats, sweaty dance floors and going-out dresses. White and Williams liked dance parties and were looking for a space to hold their own, which led them to the former TV studio. After meeting through a mutual friend, White recruited Dan Strachota — then the DJ and founder of French-pop dance party Bardot a Go Go — to play their first event: a party for Halloween 2003. (There’s debate about how Strachota was dressed that night; he says Santa, White maintains he was a traffic cone with their mutual friend as a traffic cop.) Two decades later, Dan Strachota serves as the club’s longtime talent buyer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Williams’ wife suggested their idea of a club wasn’t, well, all that cool. “Fran was like ‘Nightclubs are dumb. But bands are cool.’” As White says, it’s always a good idea to listen to Fran. So they put out feelers for live musicians. Their first live act, in 2004, was Willie Wisely, a singer-songwriter from Los Angeles. “It was actually a totally delightful night,” says White. So they started to balance the dance parties with live acts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The dance parties remain on the calendar to this day — even Bardot a Go Go, still going strong after 25 years, takes place there. “[The dance parties] made our bones and also got us noticed, and I think probably got some money in the coffers to get better equipment,” says Strachota.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In due time, White realized that Fran was right — while the dance parties were popular, the live music was drawing a crowd, too. He summarizes Rickshaw Stop’s philosophy this way: “The right band, in the right room, at the right time.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13939951\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-scaled.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13939951\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"three white men in ballcaps stand for a photo smiling outside a music venue on a city street\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1920\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-1020x765.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-160x120.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-768x576.jpeg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-1536x1152.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-2048x1536.jpeg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-1920x1440.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Harp Casey, Dan Strachota and Christopher White at Rickshaw Stop’s 2023 staff holiday party. \u003ccite>(John Karr)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That mantra has led Rickshaw Stop to occupy a unique place in the local live music landscape: the 400-person capacity makes it the perfect fit for bands that aren’t total newbies, but are just about to start gathering industry buzz. “We always say we wanna catch people on the way up,” says Strachota.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Strachota, who has worked as a DJ, music director and music journalist in addition to booking, has honed a precise ear for rising talent. That’s resulted in some major “I knew them when”s – including artists with indie clout, like Mac DeMarco and Vampire Weekend, as well as superstars Sam Smith and Billie Eilish, all of whom played Rickshaw Stop early in their careers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That in-between size combined with an avowed commitment to supporting independent artists has built them an abundance of goodwill amongst both Bay Area musicians and music fans, many of whom are coming back for the anniversary series in January.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A number of the bands playing the series include Rickshaw Stop employees as well — another testament to how deeply woven into the local music community they have become. Barback Michael Cruz has worked at the venue since early 2023. His band, Combo, is supporting Cheekface — who aren’t local, but recently tweeted their gratitude for Strachota inviting them to play Rickshaw Stop in 2019.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/cheekfaceREAL/status/1710521710611693951\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I appreciate that the space is being used for live music and entertainment instead of something soulless or corporate,” Cruz says. “It’s great to work with like-minded musicians and music lovers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cheekface guitarist Greg Katz believes Strachota’s taking a chance on them was a crucial step on their way to wider acclaim (and helped them get an agent). “We love playing independent venues in general, especially ones like Rickshaw who take risks on new bands and are staffed by people who really care like Dan,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>White and Strachota did consider bringing in some of those national artists they caught on the way up, and also new ones they’d never been able to coax to the club.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But ultimately they decided to keep it close to home. The vast majority of the series’ headliners are local, or at one time were: French Cassettes, Pardoner, Fake Fruit, The She’s, Geographer and plenty more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13939764\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 990px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13939764 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2.jpg\" alt=\"a woman plays guitar bathed in blue and pink light on a stage\" width=\"990\" height=\"660\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2.jpg 990w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 990px) 100vw, 990px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The She’s, seen playing at the Rickshaw Stop for the venue’s 15th anniversary in 2019. They’ll play the venue again with French Cassettes on Jan. 5, 2024. \u003ccite>(Geoffrey Smith)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I think what’s really been heartening is doing some of these all-local shows and you’re like ‘OK, not everyone has left town,” says Strachota. “There are a lot of people here, and they’re young people, and they’re excited about the scene.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those young people are factoring in more and more to the club’s overall operations. Lately, they’ve been letting the younger folks in their employ — and their own families — take the reins. “One very strong recommendation I’d ever give anybody … is to find people that are smart, and that are much younger than you, that can help you figure out where you’re going,” says White. “Maybe twee bands and rock music from 1999 is not the thing anymore, so find somebody who gets what the hell it is and listen to them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To wit, White’s son designed nearly all of the posters for the 20th anniversary series, and his daughter runs the venue’s social media accounts. “To see our friends’ kids now work here and come to shows here, and get involved, is like — I never in my wildest dreams would have thought that that would happen,” says White.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not bad for a couple of guys who just wanted to party. “You can make more money doing dance parties,” says White. “But it’s the affection for the art of the performance that keeps you going.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Rickshaw Stop’s 20th anniversary shows kick off Jan. 5 and run through February. Prices vary; more info and \u003ca href=\"https://rickshawstop.com/\">tickets here\u003c/a>. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The venue’s anniversary concerts are stacked with local or once-local acts; many cite Rickshaw as a crucial early supporter.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705002936,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":1480},"headData":{"title":"Rickshaw Stop Has Rocked for 20 Years By Taking Risks on Up-And-Comers | KQED","description":"The venue’s anniversary concerts are stacked with local or once-local acts; many cite Rickshaw as a crucial early supporter.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Rickshaw Stop Has Rocked for 20 Years By Taking Risks on Up-And-Comers","datePublished":"2024-01-03T18:03:51.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T19:55:36.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Jody Amable","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13939704/rickshaw-stop-20th-anniversary-indie-bands-local-music","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Rickshaw Stop, the beloved live music venue in San Francisco that’s hosted everyone from a nascent Sam Smith and Billie Eilish to your roommate’s garage band, feels a little bit enchanted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Enter through a mural of a tentacled beast on an otherwise dull block of Fell Street, and you’ll find yourself in a lively spill of odds and ends: A worse-for-wear piano sags under a “No Diving Allowed” sign to stage left. Marble-topped counters, scavenged from the demolition site of a Catholic rectory, serve as the bar. There are dramatic, crushed-velvet curtains on each side of the stage, a bike suspended from the ceiling and, of course, the titular rickshaw in the corner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even though it can make you feel like you’ve slipped into some ramshackle fairytale realm, the venue actually exists for a pretty mundane reason: zoning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This block is a really wild block,” says Christopher White, the venue’s owner. Rickshaw Stop’s section of the street has housed restaurants, repair shops, hotels and offices over the years. When White and co-founder Waldo Williams approached it in 2003, it was a disused soundstage where companies shot commercials in the 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Waldo and I were like ‘Ooh, we could build something here,’” White says. They knew, since the block also housed food establishments, they could apply for a liquor license. “So that’s why we ended up getting the place.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenty years later, Rickshaw Stop hosts concerts most nights of the week with a slate of up-and-coming indie bands and artists, many from right here in the Bay Area. This month, they’ll celebrate their 20th anniversary with \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13935783/rickshaw-stop-20th-anniversary-celebration\">a series of shows that kicks off Jan. 5\u003c/a> and runs throughout the month into February. The lineup is full of independent musicians, particularly local ones, who have played there over the years, including San Francisco punks Pardoner and Oakland garage-rock stylists \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13928718/fake-fruit-is-the-best-emerging-band-in-the-bay-is-the-universe-conspiring-against-them\">Fake Fruit\u003c/a>, as well as those who have since graduated to wider acclaim, like K. Flay and Shannon Shaw.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13939952\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13939952\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"a young woman with dark hair and a dark dress plays a white guitar on stage in purple lighting\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/GettyImages-1441278746-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hannah D’Amato of Oakland’s Fake Fruit, seen here performing at Pitchfork Music Festival London in 2022, will play a Rickshaw Stop anniversary show Jan. 18, 2024. \u003ccite>(Burak Cingi/Redferns)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Despite its current reputation as a rock venue, the dream of Rickshaw Stop started as the dream of a \u003cem>club\u003c/em> club — the kind with pulsating beats, sweaty dance floors and going-out dresses. White and Williams liked dance parties and were looking for a space to hold their own, which led them to the former TV studio. After meeting through a mutual friend, White recruited Dan Strachota — then the DJ and founder of French-pop dance party Bardot a Go Go — to play their first event: a party for Halloween 2003. (There’s debate about how Strachota was dressed that night; he says Santa, White maintains he was a traffic cone with their mutual friend as a traffic cop.) Two decades later, Dan Strachota serves as the club’s longtime talent buyer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Williams’ wife suggested their idea of a club wasn’t, well, all that cool. “Fran was like ‘Nightclubs are dumb. But bands are cool.’” As White says, it’s always a good idea to listen to Fran. So they put out feelers for live musicians. Their first live act, in 2004, was Willie Wisely, a singer-songwriter from Los Angeles. “It was actually a totally delightful night,” says White. So they started to balance the dance parties with live acts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The dance parties remain on the calendar to this day — even Bardot a Go Go, still going strong after 25 years, takes place there. “[The dance parties] made our bones and also got us noticed, and I think probably got some money in the coffers to get better equipment,” says Strachota.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In due time, White realized that Fran was right — while the dance parties were popular, the live music was drawing a crowd, too. He summarizes Rickshaw Stop’s philosophy this way: “The right band, in the right room, at the right time.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13939951\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-scaled.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13939951\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"three white men in ballcaps stand for a photo smiling outside a music venue on a city street\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1920\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-1020x765.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-160x120.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-768x576.jpeg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-1536x1152.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-2048x1536.jpeg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/image0-6-1920x1440.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Harp Casey, Dan Strachota and Christopher White at Rickshaw Stop’s 2023 staff holiday party. \u003ccite>(John Karr)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That mantra has led Rickshaw Stop to occupy a unique place in the local live music landscape: the 400-person capacity makes it the perfect fit for bands that aren’t total newbies, but are just about to start gathering industry buzz. “We always say we wanna catch people on the way up,” says Strachota.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Strachota, who has worked as a DJ, music director and music journalist in addition to booking, has honed a precise ear for rising talent. That’s resulted in some major “I knew them when”s – including artists with indie clout, like Mac DeMarco and Vampire Weekend, as well as superstars Sam Smith and Billie Eilish, all of whom played Rickshaw Stop early in their careers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That in-between size combined with an avowed commitment to supporting independent artists has built them an abundance of goodwill amongst both Bay Area musicians and music fans, many of whom are coming back for the anniversary series in January.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A number of the bands playing the series include Rickshaw Stop employees as well — another testament to how deeply woven into the local music community they have become. Barback Michael Cruz has worked at the venue since early 2023. His band, Combo, is supporting Cheekface — who aren’t local, but recently tweeted their gratitude for Strachota inviting them to play Rickshaw Stop in 2019.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1710521710611693951"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>“I appreciate that the space is being used for live music and entertainment instead of something soulless or corporate,” Cruz says. “It’s great to work with like-minded musicians and music lovers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cheekface guitarist Greg Katz believes Strachota’s taking a chance on them was a crucial step on their way to wider acclaim (and helped them get an agent). “We love playing independent venues in general, especially ones like Rickshaw who take risks on new bands and are staffed by people who really care like Dan,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>White and Strachota did consider bringing in some of those national artists they caught on the way up, and also new ones they’d never been able to coax to the club.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But ultimately they decided to keep it close to home. The vast majority of the series’ headliners are local, or at one time were: French Cassettes, Pardoner, Fake Fruit, The She’s, Geographer and plenty more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13939764\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 990px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13939764 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2.jpg\" alt=\"a woman plays guitar bathed in blue and pink light on a stage\" width=\"990\" height=\"660\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2.jpg 990w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/The-Shes-15-Anniv-2-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 990px) 100vw, 990px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The She’s, seen playing at the Rickshaw Stop for the venue’s 15th anniversary in 2019. They’ll play the venue again with French Cassettes on Jan. 5, 2024. \u003ccite>(Geoffrey Smith)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I think what’s really been heartening is doing some of these all-local shows and you’re like ‘OK, not everyone has left town,” says Strachota. “There are a lot of people here, and they’re young people, and they’re excited about the scene.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those young people are factoring in more and more to the club’s overall operations. Lately, they’ve been letting the younger folks in their employ — and their own families — take the reins. “One very strong recommendation I’d ever give anybody … is to find people that are smart, and that are much younger than you, that can help you figure out where you’re going,” says White. “Maybe twee bands and rock music from 1999 is not the thing anymore, so find somebody who gets what the hell it is and listen to them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To wit, White’s son designed nearly all of the posters for the 20th anniversary series, and his daughter runs the venue’s social media accounts. “To see our friends’ kids now work here and come to shows here, and get involved, is like — I never in my wildest dreams would have thought that that would happen,” says White.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not bad for a couple of guys who just wanted to party. “You can make more money doing dance parties,” says White. “But it’s the affection for the art of the performance that keeps you going.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Rickshaw Stop’s 20th anniversary shows kick off Jan. 5 and run through February. 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Or perhaps you don’t mind letting yourself “\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5aZJBLAu1E\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">get absolutely soaking wet\u003c/a>” like the Weather Girls. But one thing’s for sure: the best antidote for the wet-weather melancholy of a gray-skied day is to bundle up and stream some beloved storm-inspired songs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/KQEDarts/status/1110969308878823425\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">On Twitter\u003c/a>, we asked readers to help us make a rainy day playlist, and you did not disappoint. 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