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And a version of the video remade as the opening to classic Black sitcom \u003cem>Good Times\u003c/em>, with acerbic credits noting the show was “created by Consequences & Repercussions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1689044660977635329\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I was blown away by how quickly folks across social media — especially Black folks — were converting horror over a narrowly-averted, racialized beat down into funny memes celebrating the reflex of Black folks to stand up for one another, especially when we’re faced with danger from white people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But when I posted the photo of MLK’s statue with the folding chair on my social media feeds, I just added one word: Wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13932753']I wanted the image to speak for itself. And I wanted people who had questions about what it meant to jump into social media and find out for themselves. I felt the image and its implied humor — that the nation’s most revered civil rights leader might be hoisting a folding chair to defend Black folks in the modern age — was most powerful when not explained.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unfortunately, some people on my social media platforms insisted on an explanation. One was pretty persistent about it. And I realized I just didn’t want to explain the image, for some reason I couldn’t quite put my finger on.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>When explaining becomes too much of a burden\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Yeah, it’s sometimes tiring to always be asked to explain your cultural nuances to the world. But that’s the gig I signed up for, many years ago, when I decided to write about race and media regularly. And yes, all the social media joking was hiding a fear that today’s political climate has left racists emboldened to attack a Black man in broad daylight for doing his job. 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In this case, being asked to explain the folding chair memes felt like having someone barge into an ongoing conversation to ask for an explanation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As I traded messages with people and retweeted the best memes, this felt like a moment where folks could be hilariously Black online and we could all share the experience together, laughing and consoling each other in one viral social media moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Someone popping up to demand an explanation felt like they were re-centering the conversation in a way I just wasn’t willing to do right away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sometimes, in situations like that, understanding comes best by sitting back, listening widely, and learning. Even for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I originally wrote a version of this column for my personal Tumblr page, mostly as a way of processing a response that was new and unfamiliar for me. I don’t know if this reaction is fair — especially given how much I’ve encouraged discussion about race over the years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it’s all I have left, in a world where I increasingly feel like a frog in pot of steadily heating water, watching racists and racism get bolder — wondering when the heat will begin to burn me, my loved ones, my family, my friends and my people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or when I’ll need to reach out for aid from a helpful brother with a folding chair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2023 NPR. To see more, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">visit NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=I%27ve+spent+my+career+explaining+race%2C+but+hit+a+wall+with+Montgomery+brawl+memes&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"When you've built a career around explaining racism to people, what happens when you find a moment you don't want to explain?","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705005170,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":21,"wordCount":965},"headData":{"title":"Montgomery Boat Brawl: Memes and a Cultural Moment | KQED","description":"When you've built a career around explaining racism to people, what happens when you find a moment you don't want to explain?","ogTitle":"I've Spent My Career Explaining Race, But Hit a Wall With Montgomery Brawl Memes","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"I've Spent My Career Explaining Race, But Hit a Wall With Montgomery Brawl Memes","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialTitle":"Montgomery Boat Brawl: Memes and a Cultural Moment %%page%% %%sep%% KQED","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"I've Spent My Career Explaining Race, But Hit a Wall With Montgomery Brawl Memes","datePublished":"2023-08-10T18:54:30.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T20:32:50.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprImageCredit":"@Josh_Moon","nprByline":"Eric Deggans","nprImageAgency":"Screenshot by NPR","nprStoryId":"1193091939","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=1193091939&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/2023/08/10/1193091939/montgomery-brawl-memes?ft=nprml&f=1193091939","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Thu, 10 Aug 2023 11:49:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Thu, 10 Aug 2023 11:37:11 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Thu, 10 Aug 2023 11:49:50 -0400","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13932939/ive-spent-my-career-explaining-race-but-hit-a-wall-with-montgomery-brawl-memes","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>When you’ve built a career around explaining race and racism to people, what happens when you find a moment you just don’t want to explain?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13932887","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>That time came for me this week, as memes were rocketing around social media connected \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/08/07/1192460342/montgomery-riverfront-brawl\">to the brawl in Montgomery, Ala\u003c/a>., where a crowd of mostly-Black bystanders ran to help a Black riverboat co-captain who was being assaulted by a group of white people. He had been attempting to move their pontoon boat, since it was blocking the ferry from docking in its regular space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Video \u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/-YUSZW5Px6o\">from various bystanders around the dock\u003c/a> captured it all: The co-captain throwing his hat in the air, once a white man pushed him harshly; a different Black man whaling on people with a folding chair, including a white woman who was just sitting on the ground by then; a young Black man on a boat close by who jumped into the water and swam with amazing speed to the scene, jumping up to throw hands.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/8JdLnCp17Jc'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/8JdLnCp17Jc'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>And, in moments, Black Twitter \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/08/09/1192866104/montgomery-brawl-doesnt-constitute-hate-crime-charges-police-chief-says\">jumped to life\u003c/a> (I know the social media platform is renamed X, but — for the purposes of this piece — I’m using the term to describe people being Black across lots of social media platforms. Harrumph).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1688604623727112192"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>There were images of people carrying folding chairs like holstered weapons. There was the graphic pointing out that an early design of the folding chair was patented by a Black man (\u003ca href=\"https://www.thoughtco.com/nathaniel-alexander-folding-chair-4074172\">seems to be true\u003c/a>). The \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Deggans/status/1688660357202546688?s=20\">photoshopped picture showing glowing rings\u003c/a> around Black folks rushing into the fight, mimicking the climax of \u003cem>Avengers: Endgame\u003c/em>, where superheroes rushed in to save the day. A \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/naima/status/1688624327309082626?s=20\">spirited re-enactment\u003c/a> of the fight around someone’s backyard pool which amped up the absurd humor of it all. Images dubbing the young swimmer Black Aquaman, Aquamayne and Blaquaman.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1688924617937981440"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>And two of my personal faves: A photoshopped image of the Martin Luther King Jr. statue holding a folding chair. And a version of the video remade as the opening to classic Black sitcom \u003cem>Good Times\u003c/em>, with acerbic credits noting the show was “created by Consequences & Repercussions.”\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1689044660977635329"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>I was blown away by how quickly folks across social media — especially Black folks — were converting horror over a narrowly-averted, racialized beat down into funny memes celebrating the reflex of Black folks to stand up for one another, especially when we’re faced with danger from white people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But when I posted the photo of MLK’s statue with the folding chair on my social media feeds, I just added one word: Wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13932753","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>I wanted the image to speak for itself. And I wanted people who had questions about what it meant to jump into social media and find out for themselves. I felt the image and its implied humor — that the nation’s most revered civil rights leader might be hoisting a folding chair to defend Black folks in the modern age — was most powerful when not explained.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unfortunately, some people on my social media platforms insisted on an explanation. One was pretty persistent about it. And I realized I just didn’t want to explain the image, for some reason I couldn’t quite put my finger on.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>When explaining becomes too much of a burden\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Yeah, it’s sometimes tiring to always be asked to explain your cultural nuances to the world. But that’s the gig I signed up for, many years ago, when I decided to write about race and media regularly. And yes, all the social media joking was hiding a fear that today’s political climate has left racists emboldened to attack a Black man in broad daylight for doing his job. So explaining the memes only resurfaced those darker feelings in ways I wasn’t quite ready to process right away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, something else was also at play.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13931436","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>I always say social media is often like a giant dinner party, where people forget they are sometimes listening in on conversations between other people. In this case, being asked to explain the folding chair memes felt like having someone barge into an ongoing conversation to ask for an explanation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As I traded messages with people and retweeted the best memes, this felt like a moment where folks could be hilariously Black online and we could all share the experience together, laughing and consoling each other in one viral social media moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Someone popping up to demand an explanation felt like they were re-centering the conversation in a way I just wasn’t willing to do right away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sometimes, in situations like that, understanding comes best by sitting back, listening widely, and learning. Even for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I originally wrote a version of this column for my personal Tumblr page, mostly as a way of processing a response that was new and unfamiliar for me. I don’t know if this reaction is fair — especially given how much I’ve encouraged discussion about race over the years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it’s all I have left, in a world where I increasingly feel like a frog in pot of steadily heating water, watching racists and racism get bolder — wondering when the heat will begin to burn me, my loved ones, my family, my friends and my people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or when I’ll need to reach out for aid from a helpful brother with a folding chair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2023 NPR. To see more, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">visit NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=I%27ve+spent+my+career+explaining+race%2C+but+hit+a+wall+with+Montgomery+brawl+memes&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13932939/ive-spent-my-career-explaining-race-but-hit-a-wall-with-montgomery-brawl-memes","authors":["byline_arts_13932939"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_2303","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_2305","arts_3650","arts_3652","arts_8491"],"affiliates":["arts_137"],"featImg":"arts_13932940","label":"arts_137"},"arts_13931116":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13931116","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13931116","score":null,"sort":[1688150685000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"dylan-mulvaney-bud-light-failed-transphobic-backlash-lgbtqia","title":"Dylan Mulvaney Says Bud Light Didn’t Support Her During Transphobic Backlash","publishDate":1688150685,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Dylan Mulvaney Says Bud Light Didn’t Support Her During Transphobic Backlash | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>Transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney says she felt abandoned by Bud Light after facing “more bullying and transphobia than I could have ever imagined” over her partnership with the beer giant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a video posted Thursday to Instagram and \u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/video/7250155134087449898?lang=en\">TikTok\u003c/a>, she said she “was waiting for the brand to reach out to me. But they never did.” She said she should have spoken out sooner but was afraid and hoped things would get better — but they didn’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuFQBdjRFFV/?hl=en\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For months now, I’ve been scared to leave my house,” Mulvaney said. “I have been ridiculed in public. I’ve been followed, and I have felt a loneliness that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anheuser-Busch didn’t directly respond to Mulvaney in a statement the company released Friday. But it said it remains “committed to the programs and partnerships we have forged over decades with organizations across a number of communities, including those in the LGBTQ+ community.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/bud-light-beer-dylan-mulvaney-transgender-d489fb60d04ebd02486f80169cfc4474\">A deluge of criticism and hate\u003c/a> erupted soon after Mulvaney cracked open a Bud Light in an Instagram video on April 1 as part of a promotional contest for the beer brand. She showed off a can emblazoned with her face that Bud Light sent to her — one of many corporate freebies she gets and shares with her millions of followers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13930824']Conservative figures and others called for a boycott of Bud Light, while Mulvaney’s supporters criticized the beer brand for not doing enough to support her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, two marketing executives at parent company Anheuser-Busch InBev took a leave of absence, Bud Light lost its decadeslong position as America’s best-selling beer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the four weeks ending June 17, Bud Light’s U.S. retail sales had slumped 26% compared with the same period a year ago, according to Bump Williams Consulting, which follows the industry. Sales of Modelo Especial, which recently supplanted Bud Light as the country’s best-selling beer in retail dollar sales, rose 9% in the same period. Modelo’s market share was 8.4%, while Bud Light’s was 7.1%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Human Rights Campaign, the country’s largest advocacy group for LGBTQ+ rights, also suspended its benchmark equality and inclusion rating for Anheuser-Busch, a subsidiary of Belgian brewer AB InBev.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For a company to hire a trans person and then not publicly stand by them is worse, in my opinion, than not hiring a trans person at all — because it gives customers permission to be as transphobic and hateful as they want,” Mulvaney said, without naming Bud Light.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its statement, Anheuser-Busch said it prioritizes the safety and privacy of its employees and partners and that moving forward, it will focus on brewing “beer for everyone and earning our place in moments that matter to our consumers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13930083']Other companies, including Target and Starbucks, have recently come under fire for their efforts to appeal to the LGBTQ+ community, especially during June’s Pride celebrations, only to face more outcry when they tried to backpedal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The clashes come amid a furious and fast-spreading debate over the rights of transgender people. At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning gender-affirming care for minors, most since the start of this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2023 Associated Press. To see more, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/\" rel=\"noopener\">visit AP\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"“For a company to hire a trans person and then not publicly stand by them is worse than not hiring a trans person at all,\" she said.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705005321,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":16,"wordCount":595},"headData":{"title":"Dylan Mulvaney Says Bud Light Didn’t Support Her During Transphobic Backlash | KQED","description":"“For a company to hire a trans person and then not publicly stand by them is worse than not hiring a trans person at all," she said.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Dylan Mulvaney Says Bud Light Didn’t Support Her During Transphobic Backlash","datePublished":"2023-06-30T18:44:45.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T20:35:21.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"The Associated Press","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13931116/dylan-mulvaney-bud-light-failed-transphobic-backlash-lgbtqia","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney says she felt abandoned by Bud Light after facing “more bullying and transphobia than I could have ever imagined” over her partnership with the beer giant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a video posted Thursday to Instagram and \u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/video/7250155134087449898?lang=en\">TikTok\u003c/a>, she said she “was waiting for the brand to reach out to me. But they never did.” She said she should have spoken out sooner but was afraid and hoped things would get better — but they didn’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuFQBdjRFFV/?hl=en\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For months now, I’ve been scared to leave my house,” Mulvaney said. “I have been ridiculed in public. I’ve been followed, and I have felt a loneliness that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anheuser-Busch didn’t directly respond to Mulvaney in a statement the company released Friday. But it said it remains “committed to the programs and partnerships we have forged over decades with organizations across a number of communities, including those in the LGBTQ+ community.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/bud-light-beer-dylan-mulvaney-transgender-d489fb60d04ebd02486f80169cfc4474\">A deluge of criticism and hate\u003c/a> erupted soon after Mulvaney cracked open a Bud Light in an Instagram video on April 1 as part of a promotional contest for the beer brand. She showed off a can emblazoned with her face that Bud Light sent to her — one of many corporate freebies she gets and shares with her millions of followers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13930824","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Conservative figures and others called for a boycott of Bud Light, while Mulvaney’s supporters criticized the beer brand for not doing enough to support her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, two marketing executives at parent company Anheuser-Busch InBev took a leave of absence, Bud Light lost its decadeslong position as America’s best-selling beer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the four weeks ending June 17, Bud Light’s U.S. retail sales had slumped 26% compared with the same period a year ago, according to Bump Williams Consulting, which follows the industry. Sales of Modelo Especial, which recently supplanted Bud Light as the country’s best-selling beer in retail dollar sales, rose 9% in the same period. Modelo’s market share was 8.4%, while Bud Light’s was 7.1%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Human Rights Campaign, the country’s largest advocacy group for LGBTQ+ rights, also suspended its benchmark equality and inclusion rating for Anheuser-Busch, a subsidiary of Belgian brewer AB InBev.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For a company to hire a trans person and then not publicly stand by them is worse, in my opinion, than not hiring a trans person at all — because it gives customers permission to be as transphobic and hateful as they want,” Mulvaney said, without naming Bud Light.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its statement, Anheuser-Busch said it prioritizes the safety and privacy of its employees and partners and that moving forward, it will focus on brewing “beer for everyone and earning our place in moments that matter to our consumers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13930083","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Other companies, including Target and Starbucks, have recently come under fire for their efforts to appeal to the LGBTQ+ community, especially during June’s Pride celebrations, only to face more outcry when they tried to backpedal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The clashes come amid a furious and fast-spreading debate over the rights of transgender people. At least 17 states have enacted laws restricting or banning gender-affirming care for minors, most since the start of this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2023 Associated Press. To see more, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/\" rel=\"noopener\">visit AP\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13931116/dylan-mulvaney-bud-light-failed-transphobic-backlash-lgbtqia","authors":["byline_arts_13931116"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_2305","arts_3226","arts_5158","arts_702"],"featImg":"arts_13931119","label":"arts"},"arts_13924870":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13924870","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13924870","score":null,"sort":[1675972831000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"leonardo-dicaprio-eden-polani-young-girlfriends-camila-morrone-victoria-lamas","title":"We Need to Talk About Leonardo DiCaprio","publishDate":1675972831,"format":"standard","headTitle":"We Need to Talk About Leonardo DiCaprio | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>Twitter raised a collective eyebrow earlier this week when photos emerged of 48-year-old \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/DrProudman/status/1622537376160423936\">Leonardo DiCaprio hanging out with a 19-year-old French model named Eden Polani.\u003c/a> No one was surprised, of course, but assumptions about what was happening quickly spread online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13923161']The age gap between DiCaprio and Polani is similar to the one between Pedro Pascal (47) and Bella Ramsey (19) from \u003cem>The Last of Us\u003c/em>, people pointed out. It’s also similar to the one between David Harbour (47) and Millie Bobby Brown (18) from \u003cem>Stranger Things\u003c/em>, others chimed in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wouldn’t we all be uncomfortable if either of these duos became couples? The short answer is, hell yes, we would. And not just because the women in question are still young enough to play underage people on television, or that those men play their guardians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/jodieegrace/status/1623032506164613126\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday, per TMZ, “a source close to DiCaprio” denied that he’s dating Polani. As if to prove this, TMZ noted that DiCaprio has also recently been linked with 23-year-old model \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/victoriaalamas/?hl=en\">Victoria Lamas\u003c/a> and has been \u003ca href=\"https://www.tmz.com/2023/01/03/leonardo-dicaprio-vacation-yacht-women-st-barts-caribbean-photos/\">photographed on a yacht with a group of young models\u003c/a>. It’s not terribly surprising that the public jumped to conclusions about DiCaprio and Polani, given how he’s been behaving for literally decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The world has known about DiCaprio’s dating preferences for a very, very long time — namely, that he appears interested almost exclusively in young models, and that he doesn’t date women past the age of 25. DiCaprio’s compulsion to date and then dump women under 25 has been the topic of too many jokes to list here, and it would be boring for me to do so — you’ve already heard them. We all have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Someone on Reddit even made a handy graph in 2021:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13924887\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13924887\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-800x800.png\" alt=\"A graph showing, on one line, Leonardo DiCaprio's age, and on another beneath it, the fluctuating ages of his girlfriends, none of whom are with him past 25.\" width=\"800\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-800x800.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-1020x1020.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-160x160.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-768x768.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit.png 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stark, isn’t it? \u003ccite>(TrustLittleBrother on Reddit)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>What the graph doesn’t include are the many flings he had with models in the ‘90s (everyone was the same age, it’s fine) or, more recently, the end of DiCaprio’s relationship with Camila Morrone. The couple lasted four years and came to an end three months after the model turned — you’ve guessed it! — 25. Incidentally, DiCaprio and Nina Agdal broke up two months after her 25th birthday. He and Kelly Rohrbach split a month after she hit that milestone too. Bar Refaeli made it four months.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To be clear, age gaps, in and of themselves, aren’t the problem. We’re all going to fall in love with who we fall in love with, and sometimes that person just wasn’t born in the same era — love is love is love. When \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13869451/keanu-reeves-dennis-quaid-and-our-national-obsession-with-womens-age\">we pass judgement on younger women who date older men\u003c/a>, we often strip them of their agency and reduce them to trophies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13869451']But the issue with DiCaprio is not love with an age gap. The longer this all goes on, the less his situation looks even vaguely love-related. It looks like a pattern of swiftly replacing one model for the next once they hit a specific age milestone. Not all of them even make it that far — Blake Lively was 23 when the couple split (he was 36), Erin Heatherton was 22 (he was 37), Toni Garrn was 21 (he was 39).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From the outside, it would appear these young women are interchangeable to him — disposable, like cars he’s done driving or suits he’s sick of wearing. They are reduced to trophies by the very circumstance of getting involved with DiCaprio in the first place, because we all know they’ll be discarded before they have time to develop a single, solitary wrinkle. (\u003ca href=\"https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/leonardo-dicaprios-girlfriend-turned-25-27265735\">The end of his relationship with Morrone was widely predicted\u003c/a> when her 25th birthday rolled around.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even when we take into account that these relationships are clearly consensual, it’s still surprising that, throughout all of the post-#MeToo conversations about the negative effects of power imbalances in relationships and sexual situations, DiCaprio hasn’t really come up. If we now recognize that Monica Lewinsky was in a seriously vulnerable position during her affair with Bill Clinton, shouldn’t we also be thinking about the welfare of these women?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’d argue that one of the reasons we haven’t is because these very young women are some of the most beautiful in the world. As such, there is an assumption that, since they could probably have anyone they wanted, if they end up choosing DiCaprio, he must be a good choice. The reality is, being exceptionally beautiful doesn’t make you worldly before your time, or necessarily equipped to deal with a man who is twice your age, world famous and who has been playing the same game with legions of women since before you were even born.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the reasons we’ve traditionally processed DiCaprio’s love life via jokes rather than actual judgment is because the actor has not broken any laws that we know of. That \u003ca href=\"https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a30359722/leonardo-dicaprio-camila-morrone-relationship-timeline-age-gap/\">DiCaprio first met Camila Morrone when he was 35 and she was 12\u003c/a> doesn’t come up nearly as often as it should. (They were introduced by Morrone’s stepfather, Al Pacino.) That many of the women DiCaprio dates aren’t old enough to legally drink when he first meets them has also been under-discussed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13918217']Another major factor that’s been keeping DiCaprio off the hook is that he was a kid himself when he first came to prominence. His roles playing troubled teens in 1993’s \u003cem>What’s Eating Gilbert Grape?\u003c/em> and 1996’s \u003cem>Romeo & Juliet\u003c/em> are seared into the culture. He was just 22 when he made \u003cem>Titanic\u003c/em>. Because of this, even as he ages — dad bod and all — we still see a very young man when we look at him. If he looked more like Pedro Pascal or David Harbour, or if he’d only become famous in his thirties, we’d have noticed the depth of his dating life’s ick factor way sooner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s also worth remembering that DiCaprio’s penchant for chasing young models wasn’t immediately obvious. In his younger years, he had two longterm relationships. The first was with Gisele Bundchen (six years his junior) for five years, and Bar Refaeli (10 years his junior) for five and a half. Perfectly normal dating behavior for a man in his twenties and thirties. Was it weird that the two women so closely resembled each other? A little. But it’s significantly stranger now that \u003cem>all\u003c/em> of the women who have followed Bunchen and Refaeli have also looked like Bundchen and Refaeli. (Morrone was a brunette — that’s the closest DiCaprio has come to broadening his field of vision.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13924888\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13924888\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-800x743.jpg\" alt=\"A photo of a white, fair-haired man in a suit embracing a tall slender woman with long blond hair, next to a photo of a different tall slender woman with long blond hair.\" width=\"800\" height=\"743\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-800x743.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-1020x947.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-160x149.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-768x713.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-1536x1426.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-2048x1901.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-1920x1782.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">(L) DiCaprio with Gisele Bundchen in 2005, (R) Bar Refaeli in 2007. \u003ccite>((L) Jeffrey Mayer/WireImage (R) FRANCOIS GUILLOT/AFP via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Despite his well-known status as a serial dater, DiCaprio has never been portrayed as unlucky in love. This is, of course, because he’s a man — no famous man, regardless of individual circumstances, is ever presented that way. But in DiCaprio’s case, there is also an assumption that he’s not really taking any of these women seriously in the first place. Collectively, we have accepted that this man is going to discard the young women he surrounds himself with, then quickly replace them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s about time we start examining how much we want to continue to turn a blind eye, laugh at the jokes and move on. Because when we as a nation regularly laugh at women being treated as disposable objects, we’re normalizing it. And that keeps archetypes about rich men as playboys and beautiful women as playthings in the culture. Do we really want those grossly outdated constructs still hanging around in 2023?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When it comes to DiCaprio, just because a behavior is technically legal doesn’t mean that something very disturbing isn’t going on in full view of the world. As \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/aaronhoyland/status/1622986572303044608\">one shrewd Twitter user noted this week\u003c/a>: “I really don’t think the threshold for acceptable behavior towards women should be, ‘But is it criminal?’”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Sources close to DiCaprio have denied he’s dating a 19-year-old model — but his relationship history speaks for itself.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705005866,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":20,"wordCount":1444},"headData":{"title":"Leonardo DiCaprio's Young Girlfriends Aren’t Funny Anymore | KQED","description":"Sources close to DiCaprio have denied he’s dating a 19-year-old model — but his relationship history speaks for itself.","ogTitle":"We Need to Talk About Leonardo DiCaprio","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"We Need to Talk About Leonardo DiCaprio","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialTitle":"Leonardo DiCaprio's Young Girlfriends Aren’t Funny Anymore %%page%% %%sep%% KQED","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"We Need to Talk About Leonardo DiCaprio","datePublished":"2023-02-09T20:00:31.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T20:44:26.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"source":"Commentary","sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13924870/leonardo-dicaprio-eden-polani-young-girlfriends-camila-morrone-victoria-lamas","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Twitter raised a collective eyebrow earlier this week when photos emerged of 48-year-old \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/DrProudman/status/1622537376160423936\">Leonardo DiCaprio hanging out with a 19-year-old French model named Eden Polani.\u003c/a> No one was surprised, of course, but assumptions about what was happening quickly spread online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13923161","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The age gap between DiCaprio and Polani is similar to the one between Pedro Pascal (47) and Bella Ramsey (19) from \u003cem>The Last of Us\u003c/em>, people pointed out. It’s also similar to the one between David Harbour (47) and Millie Bobby Brown (18) from \u003cem>Stranger Things\u003c/em>, others chimed in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wouldn’t we all be uncomfortable if either of these duos became couples? The short answer is, hell yes, we would. And not just because the women in question are still young enough to play underage people on television, or that those men play their guardians.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1623032506164613126"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday, per TMZ, “a source close to DiCaprio” denied that he’s dating Polani. As if to prove this, TMZ noted that DiCaprio has also recently been linked with 23-year-old model \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/victoriaalamas/?hl=en\">Victoria Lamas\u003c/a> and has been \u003ca href=\"https://www.tmz.com/2023/01/03/leonardo-dicaprio-vacation-yacht-women-st-barts-caribbean-photos/\">photographed on a yacht with a group of young models\u003c/a>. It’s not terribly surprising that the public jumped to conclusions about DiCaprio and Polani, given how he’s been behaving for literally decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The world has known about DiCaprio’s dating preferences for a very, very long time — namely, that he appears interested almost exclusively in young models, and that he doesn’t date women past the age of 25. DiCaprio’s compulsion to date and then dump women under 25 has been the topic of too many jokes to list here, and it would be boring for me to do so — you’ve already heard them. We all have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Someone on Reddit even made a handy graph in 2021:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13924887\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13924887\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-800x800.png\" alt=\"A graph showing, on one line, Leonardo DiCaprio's age, and on another beneath it, the fluctuating ages of his girlfriends, none of whom are with him past 25.\" width=\"800\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-800x800.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-1020x1020.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-160x160.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit-768x768.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/TrustLittleBrotherReddit.png 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stark, isn’t it? \u003ccite>(TrustLittleBrother on Reddit)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>What the graph doesn’t include are the many flings he had with models in the ‘90s (everyone was the same age, it’s fine) or, more recently, the end of DiCaprio’s relationship with Camila Morrone. The couple lasted four years and came to an end three months after the model turned — you’ve guessed it! — 25. Incidentally, DiCaprio and Nina Agdal broke up two months after her 25th birthday. He and Kelly Rohrbach split a month after she hit that milestone too. Bar Refaeli made it four months.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To be clear, age gaps, in and of themselves, aren’t the problem. We’re all going to fall in love with who we fall in love with, and sometimes that person just wasn’t born in the same era — love is love is love. When \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13869451/keanu-reeves-dennis-quaid-and-our-national-obsession-with-womens-age\">we pass judgement on younger women who date older men\u003c/a>, we often strip them of their agency and reduce them to trophies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13869451","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>But the issue with DiCaprio is not love with an age gap. The longer this all goes on, the less his situation looks even vaguely love-related. It looks like a pattern of swiftly replacing one model for the next once they hit a specific age milestone. Not all of them even make it that far — Blake Lively was 23 when the couple split (he was 36), Erin Heatherton was 22 (he was 37), Toni Garrn was 21 (he was 39).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From the outside, it would appear these young women are interchangeable to him — disposable, like cars he’s done driving or suits he’s sick of wearing. They are reduced to trophies by the very circumstance of getting involved with DiCaprio in the first place, because we all know they’ll be discarded before they have time to develop a single, solitary wrinkle. (\u003ca href=\"https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/leonardo-dicaprios-girlfriend-turned-25-27265735\">The end of his relationship with Morrone was widely predicted\u003c/a> when her 25th birthday rolled around.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even when we take into account that these relationships are clearly consensual, it’s still surprising that, throughout all of the post-#MeToo conversations about the negative effects of power imbalances in relationships and sexual situations, DiCaprio hasn’t really come up. If we now recognize that Monica Lewinsky was in a seriously vulnerable position during her affair with Bill Clinton, shouldn’t we also be thinking about the welfare of these women?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’d argue that one of the reasons we haven’t is because these very young women are some of the most beautiful in the world. As such, there is an assumption that, since they could probably have anyone they wanted, if they end up choosing DiCaprio, he must be a good choice. The reality is, being exceptionally beautiful doesn’t make you worldly before your time, or necessarily equipped to deal with a man who is twice your age, world famous and who has been playing the same game with legions of women since before you were even born.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the reasons we’ve traditionally processed DiCaprio’s love life via jokes rather than actual judgment is because the actor has not broken any laws that we know of. That \u003ca href=\"https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a30359722/leonardo-dicaprio-camila-morrone-relationship-timeline-age-gap/\">DiCaprio first met Camila Morrone when he was 35 and she was 12\u003c/a> doesn’t come up nearly as often as it should. (They were introduced by Morrone’s stepfather, Al Pacino.) That many of the women DiCaprio dates aren’t old enough to legally drink when he first meets them has also been under-discussed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13918217","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Another major factor that’s been keeping DiCaprio off the hook is that he was a kid himself when he first came to prominence. His roles playing troubled teens in 1993’s \u003cem>What’s Eating Gilbert Grape?\u003c/em> and 1996’s \u003cem>Romeo & Juliet\u003c/em> are seared into the culture. He was just 22 when he made \u003cem>Titanic\u003c/em>. Because of this, even as he ages — dad bod and all — we still see a very young man when we look at him. If he looked more like Pedro Pascal or David Harbour, or if he’d only become famous in his thirties, we’d have noticed the depth of his dating life’s ick factor way sooner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s also worth remembering that DiCaprio’s penchant for chasing young models wasn’t immediately obvious. In his younger years, he had two longterm relationships. The first was with Gisele Bundchen (six years his junior) for five years, and Bar Refaeli (10 years his junior) for five and a half. Perfectly normal dating behavior for a man in his twenties and thirties. Was it weird that the two women so closely resembled each other? A little. But it’s significantly stranger now that \u003cem>all\u003c/em> of the women who have followed Bunchen and Refaeli have also looked like Bundchen and Refaeli. (Morrone was a brunette — that’s the closest DiCaprio has come to broadening his field of vision.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13924888\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13924888\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-800x743.jpg\" alt=\"A photo of a white, fair-haired man in a suit embracing a tall slender woman with long blond hair, next to a photo of a different tall slender woman with long blond hair.\" width=\"800\" height=\"743\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-800x743.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-1020x947.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-160x149.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-768x713.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-1536x1426.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-2048x1901.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/gis-and-bar-1920x1782.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">(L) DiCaprio with Gisele Bundchen in 2005, (R) Bar Refaeli in 2007. \u003ccite>((L) Jeffrey Mayer/WireImage (R) FRANCOIS GUILLOT/AFP via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Despite his well-known status as a serial dater, DiCaprio has never been portrayed as unlucky in love. This is, of course, because he’s a man — no famous man, regardless of individual circumstances, is ever presented that way. But in DiCaprio’s case, there is also an assumption that he’s not really taking any of these women seriously in the first place. Collectively, we have accepted that this man is going to discard the young women he surrounds himself with, then quickly replace them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s about time we start examining how much we want to continue to turn a blind eye, laugh at the jokes and move on. Because when we as a nation regularly laugh at women being treated as disposable objects, we’re normalizing it. And that keeps archetypes about rich men as playboys and beautiful women as playthings in the culture. Do we really want those grossly outdated constructs still hanging around in 2023?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When it comes to DiCaprio, just because a behavior is technically legal doesn’t mean that something very disturbing isn’t going on in full view of the world. As \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/aaronhoyland/status/1622986572303044608\">one shrewd Twitter user noted this week\u003c/a>: “I really don’t think the threshold for acceptable behavior towards women should be, ‘But is it criminal?’”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13924870/leonardo-dicaprio-eden-polani-young-girlfriends-camila-morrone-victoria-lamas","authors":["11242"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_2303","arts_74","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_10278","arts_1962","arts_2305","arts_7580"],"featImg":"arts_13924871","label":"source_arts_13924870"},"arts_13921830":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13921830","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13921830","score":null,"sort":[1669142097000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"aesthetica-allie-rowbottom-novel-penguin-randomhouse","title":"Plastic Surgery Meets Suspense in Allie Rowbottom’s ‘Aesthetica’","publishDate":1669142097,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Plastic Surgery Meets Suspense in Allie Rowbottom’s ‘Aesthetica’ | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13921853\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13921853\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"The cover of Allie Rowbottom's 'Aesthetica' shows a distorted, surgically enhanced face.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-768x1152.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-1024x1536.jpg 1024w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-1365x2048.jpg 1365w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-1920x2880.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Aesthetica-comp-scaled.jpg 1707w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">In Allie Rowbottom’s ‘Aesthetica,’ a former influencer wants to reverse her plastic surgery. \u003ccite>(Penguin Randomhouse)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In Robert Zemeckis’ 1992 black comedy \u003cem>Death Becomes Her\u003c/em>, Meryl Streep plays Madeline Ashton, an aging Hollywood actress who pays a pretty penny for an elixir from a mysterious rejuvenation expert (Isabella Rossellini’s Lisle Von Rhuman). The elixir not only de-ages her, but also immortalizes her youth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the pivotal transformation scene, she drinks the glowing pink potion and her butt is instantly lifted to a perkier position. The liver spots on her hand disappear. The gap between her breasts closes. And the skin on her face tightens and is visibly more supple, as if the collagen she naturally lost as she aged was returned to her. In sheer elation she exclaims, “I’m a girl!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13921851\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13921851\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-800x998.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"998\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-800x998.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-1020x1272.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-768x958.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-1231x1536.jpg 1231w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-1642x2048.jpg 1642w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-1920x2395.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Author Allie Rowbottom. \u003ccite>(Roeg Cohen)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2022, these body transformations are possible through surgical lifts of the butt, breasts and face, or digitally through apps like Facetune, which has been downloaded upwards of 200 million times. In writer Allie Rowbottom’s debut novel, \u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em>, there is an equally desirable and dangerous inverse surgery, one that restores bodies by undoing previous procedures. In her fictional world, the magic potion is an edit button with the power to delete.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em>’s protagonist, Anna Wrey, is a 35-year-old former Instagram influencer who has elected to have the Aesthetica surgery — a costly and experimental procedure that is only available in Los Angeles. That’s in the present day, in 2032. Back in 2017, she is a hungry but naive 19-year-old who gets wrapped up in Los Angeles’s influencer cult(ure) and is catapulted into mid-tier celebrity status with the help of a much older manager-boyfriend named Jake, who constantly uses and mispronounces the word “aesthetic.” The timing is a useful frame as Anna comes of age in a not-long-ago era, which \u003cem>The New Yorker\u003c/em>’s Jia Tolentino declared “\u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/culture/decade-in-review/the-age-of-instagram-face\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Age of Instagram Face\u003c/a>” in a 2019 essay. Readers can readily remember the clashing cultural mores, aesthetic goals and feminist beliefs that we continue to grapple with today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Media outlets that cover beauty constantly announce new trends as pathways to the ideal body. The Brazilian butt lift came to define the 2010s despite worryingly high mortality rates. And more recently, as \u003ca href=\"https://nypost.com/2022/11/02/heroin-chic-is-back-and-curvy-bodies-big-butts-are-out/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>The New York Post\u003c/em> noted crassly\u003c/a>, some celebrities have returned to the “heroin-chic” thinness of ’90s supermodels. The constant stream of new beauty and body trends, some cyclical, some diametrically opposed, are a reminder that the concept of an ideal body was only ever meant to be a marketing goldmine, not an achievable goal. On TikTok, videos tagged ‘plastic surgery’ have reached over 15 billion views and birthed a cottage industry of plastic surgeons analyzing people’s faces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em> opens with Anna — already scheduled for the surgery that’s going to “free” her — instinctively playing the same speculative game on young girls in her eyeline. This is the beauty industrial matrix.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The book moves fluidly between Anna’s last year as a teen and her present day, on the eve of surgery. Through flashbacks we learn how Jake helps her build a social following and her body (the modifications she will later want Aesthetica™ to reverse). We also learn that something bad happened, bad enough for a reporter to be presently sniffing around her seeking a quote. In a simpler novel, this would be the impetus for a standard but thin revenge narrative: A woman goes after the man who wronged her and gets a happy ending. But Rowbottom’s writing is more complex, less obvious and in accordance with Wes Craven’s ideology of horror: “Horror films don’t create fear, they release it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know something bad happened — something to do with Jake, something traumatic enough to make her abandon Instagram as a platform and life path, and something involving other women — but not exactly what. Rowbottom releases fear into her novel using tried and true horror notes. Not cheap jump scares, but haunting ambiguity, psychological turmoil, the slow buildup and unfolding of information around the incident. This way of building up terror is horrendously effective. As I read, I felt uneasy, waiting for more information but also afraid to receive it — a credit to Alfred Hitchcock’s belief that “there is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it.” [aside postid='arts_13921562']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is what makes the book work so well: There are several undercurrents allowed to throb simultaneously. There’s the Jake storyline, which could reductively be referred to as a #MeToo plot; Anna’s relationship with her mother and her illness; early female bonding in Houston; and her post-Instagram retirement life working at a beauty counter in the days leading up to the surgery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rowbottom’s writing is not some cliché-ridden, girl-power critique of the global beauty industry. The industry is such an obvious villain that a moral argument against it would be an easy lay-up. \u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em>’s appeal is that it is difficult. It doesn’t critique Anna. Neither her desire nor her regret are pathologized, simply explored. \u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em> is concerned with showing you who the characters are, how they rub against each other, how their lives and purposes bleed into each other and create mess. It is interested in that mess and contradiction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What Zemeckis’ film and Rowbottom’s book both understand is that the most interesting part of the beauty industrial matrix is the way it has altered women’s relationships to other women. In the film, Streep and Goldie Hawn (who plays Helen Sharp) portray two women whose intense personal rivalry has been the defining relationship in each of their lives. Ashton steals Sharp’s fiancé away, not because she is interested in him but because Sharp desires him. Through a complicated need to both best each other and be each other, Sharp’s desires become Ashton’s desires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Rowbottom’s book, Anna’s also self-aware enough to know, “it was always about the women…whether or not I was better than them. Sexier, but not sluttier, my wants smaller, my body smaller, though not too small.” Her relationships to the other women in the book are rendered with lacerating emotional precision. The strife is between Anna and her ailing mother, her childhood friend whose athletic body she envied, and other women she sees and consumes by the pool, on the street, on screens. She studies the exact way models adjust themselves to meet a camera’s eye or a man’s. “My body was the result of those other women’s bodies,” she thinks to herself. [aside postid='arts_13921805']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many women want to look like girls, and the beauty-industrial complex sells the lie that girlhood is a commodity that can be returned to you. It has convinced us all to see our bodies as capital. When Ashton shouts “I’m a girl,” it’s with the same gusto someone would use to announce they won the lottery. Rowbottom’s protagonist sees influencing as a social ladder, a financial parachute that will help her escape and become as free as she imagines rich people to be. In one characteristically witty line from her internal monologue mid-coitus with Jake she muses, “I was close to power, but not fully in possession of it, neither a child nor a woman, and not yet a wolf.” A clever riff and escalation of Britney Spears’ iconic song lyric that encapsulates the teetering she does throughout the novel, a woman caught between the drive to invent herself and the cost of that reinvention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The human body has so many needs. It feels hungry, cold, dry, love-starved. Our lives are spent attending to these needs. What makes the beauty-industrial complex so formidable is it long-ago determined which of those needs was the easiest to exploit. It’s a lucrative hamster wheel and even though it has been exposed — articles abound about the industry’s dystopian labor conditions, and studies show how social media is contributing to rising rates of depression in girls, its chief users — it continues to run apace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When some people realize they’re on a hamster wheel, they run harder. Are they trying to escape? To convince themselves they have agency and are not trapped, but choosing to be part of it? \u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em> works because Rowbottom sees and understands the whole iceberg, or in this case, the whole wheel.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"With its haunting ambiguity and psychological turmoil, the novel examines the beauty industry beyond its surface. 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The elixir not only de-ages her, but also immortalizes her youth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the pivotal transformation scene, she drinks the glowing pink potion and her butt is instantly lifted to a perkier position. The liver spots on her hand disappear. The gap between her breasts closes. And the skin on her face tightens and is visibly more supple, as if the collagen she naturally lost as she aged was returned to her. In sheer elation she exclaims, “I’m a girl!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13921851\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13921851\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-800x998.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"998\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-800x998.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-1020x1272.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-768x958.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-1231x1536.jpg 1231w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-1642x2048.jpg 1642w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Allie-Rowbottom_credit-Roeg-Cohen-1920x2395.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Author Allie Rowbottom. \u003ccite>(Roeg Cohen)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2022, these body transformations are possible through surgical lifts of the butt, breasts and face, or digitally through apps like Facetune, which has been downloaded upwards of 200 million times. In writer Allie Rowbottom’s debut novel, \u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em>, there is an equally desirable and dangerous inverse surgery, one that restores bodies by undoing previous procedures. In her fictional world, the magic potion is an edit button with the power to delete.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em>’s protagonist, Anna Wrey, is a 35-year-old former Instagram influencer who has elected to have the Aesthetica surgery — a costly and experimental procedure that is only available in Los Angeles. That’s in the present day, in 2032. Back in 2017, she is a hungry but naive 19-year-old who gets wrapped up in Los Angeles’s influencer cult(ure) and is catapulted into mid-tier celebrity status with the help of a much older manager-boyfriend named Jake, who constantly uses and mispronounces the word “aesthetic.” The timing is a useful frame as Anna comes of age in a not-long-ago era, which \u003cem>The New Yorker\u003c/em>’s Jia Tolentino declared “\u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/culture/decade-in-review/the-age-of-instagram-face\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Age of Instagram Face\u003c/a>” in a 2019 essay. Readers can readily remember the clashing cultural mores, aesthetic goals and feminist beliefs that we continue to grapple with today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Media outlets that cover beauty constantly announce new trends as pathways to the ideal body. The Brazilian butt lift came to define the 2010s despite worryingly high mortality rates. And more recently, as \u003ca href=\"https://nypost.com/2022/11/02/heroin-chic-is-back-and-curvy-bodies-big-butts-are-out/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>The New York Post\u003c/em> noted crassly\u003c/a>, some celebrities have returned to the “heroin-chic” thinness of ’90s supermodels. The constant stream of new beauty and body trends, some cyclical, some diametrically opposed, are a reminder that the concept of an ideal body was only ever meant to be a marketing goldmine, not an achievable goal. On TikTok, videos tagged ‘plastic surgery’ have reached over 15 billion views and birthed a cottage industry of plastic surgeons analyzing people’s faces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em> opens with Anna — already scheduled for the surgery that’s going to “free” her — instinctively playing the same speculative game on young girls in her eyeline. This is the beauty industrial matrix.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The book moves fluidly between Anna’s last year as a teen and her present day, on the eve of surgery. Through flashbacks we learn how Jake helps her build a social following and her body (the modifications she will later want Aesthetica™ to reverse). We also learn that something bad happened, bad enough for a reporter to be presently sniffing around her seeking a quote. In a simpler novel, this would be the impetus for a standard but thin revenge narrative: A woman goes after the man who wronged her and gets a happy ending. But Rowbottom’s writing is more complex, less obvious and in accordance with Wes Craven’s ideology of horror: “Horror films don’t create fear, they release it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know something bad happened — something to do with Jake, something traumatic enough to make her abandon Instagram as a platform and life path, and something involving other women — but not exactly what. Rowbottom releases fear into her novel using tried and true horror notes. Not cheap jump scares, but haunting ambiguity, psychological turmoil, the slow buildup and unfolding of information around the incident. This way of building up terror is horrendously effective. As I read, I felt uneasy, waiting for more information but also afraid to receive it — a credit to Alfred Hitchcock’s belief that “there is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13921562","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is what makes the book work so well: There are several undercurrents allowed to throb simultaneously. There’s the Jake storyline, which could reductively be referred to as a #MeToo plot; Anna’s relationship with her mother and her illness; early female bonding in Houston; and her post-Instagram retirement life working at a beauty counter in the days leading up to the surgery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rowbottom’s writing is not some cliché-ridden, girl-power critique of the global beauty industry. The industry is such an obvious villain that a moral argument against it would be an easy lay-up. \u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em>’s appeal is that it is difficult. It doesn’t critique Anna. Neither her desire nor her regret are pathologized, simply explored. \u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em> is concerned with showing you who the characters are, how they rub against each other, how their lives and purposes bleed into each other and create mess. It is interested in that mess and contradiction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What Zemeckis’ film and Rowbottom’s book both understand is that the most interesting part of the beauty industrial matrix is the way it has altered women’s relationships to other women. In the film, Streep and Goldie Hawn (who plays Helen Sharp) portray two women whose intense personal rivalry has been the defining relationship in each of their lives. Ashton steals Sharp’s fiancé away, not because she is interested in him but because Sharp desires him. Through a complicated need to both best each other and be each other, Sharp’s desires become Ashton’s desires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Rowbottom’s book, Anna’s also self-aware enough to know, “it was always about the women…whether or not I was better than them. Sexier, but not sluttier, my wants smaller, my body smaller, though not too small.” Her relationships to the other women in the book are rendered with lacerating emotional precision. The strife is between Anna and her ailing mother, her childhood friend whose athletic body she envied, and other women she sees and consumes by the pool, on the street, on screens. She studies the exact way models adjust themselves to meet a camera’s eye or a man’s. “My body was the result of those other women’s bodies,” she thinks to herself. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13921805","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many women want to look like girls, and the beauty-industrial complex sells the lie that girlhood is a commodity that can be returned to you. It has convinced us all to see our bodies as capital. When Ashton shouts “I’m a girl,” it’s with the same gusto someone would use to announce they won the lottery. Rowbottom’s protagonist sees influencing as a social ladder, a financial parachute that will help her escape and become as free as she imagines rich people to be. In one characteristically witty line from her internal monologue mid-coitus with Jake she muses, “I was close to power, but not fully in possession of it, neither a child nor a woman, and not yet a wolf.” A clever riff and escalation of Britney Spears’ iconic song lyric that encapsulates the teetering she does throughout the novel, a woman caught between the drive to invent herself and the cost of that reinvention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The human body has so many needs. It feels hungry, cold, dry, love-starved. Our lives are spent attending to these needs. What makes the beauty-industrial complex so formidable is it long-ago determined which of those needs was the easiest to exploit. It’s a lucrative hamster wheel and even though it has been exposed — articles abound about the industry’s dystopian labor conditions, and studies show how social media is contributing to rising rates of depression in girls, its chief users — it continues to run apace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When some people realize they’re on a hamster wheel, they run harder. Are they trying to escape? To convince themselves they have agency and are not trapped, but choosing to be part of it? \u003cem>Aesthetica\u003c/em> works because Rowbottom sees and understands the whole iceberg, or in this case, the whole wheel.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13921830/aesthetica-allie-rowbottom-novel-penguin-randomhouse","authors":["byline_arts_13921830"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_73"],"tags":["arts_6612","arts_7446","arts_10278","arts_2305"],"featImg":"arts_13921849","label":"arts"},"arts_13915004":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13915004","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13915004","score":null,"sort":[1655491889000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"boba-influencer-tiktok-youtube-feedmeimei-alyssa-wang","title":"How Alyssa Wang Became the Bay Area’s Queen of Boba","publishDate":1655491889,"format":"standard","headTitle":"How Alyssa Wang Became the Bay Area’s Queen of Boba | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Every week, I would have piano lessons, and if I did well, my teacher would give me a sticker. If I got a sticker, then my mom would take me to Tapioca Express, ” says Alyssa Wang, who goes by the online name \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/c/feedmeimei/videos\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Feed Meimei\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. “So I’ve always loved boba since I was a kid.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For Asian Americans of a certain generation, this kind of childhood nostalgia is commonplace. But Wang, 27, is one of the only ones who has transformed her boba love into a career. She is the internet’s likely first full-time boba content creator. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today, Feed Meimei boasts more than 605,000 subscribers on Youtube, 737,000 followers on her Tiktok and 242,000 followers on Instagram. Over the past five years, Wang has made more than 70 Youtube videos documenting her countless visits to Bay Area boba shops. Wang’s favorite boba shop in the Bay Area, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.urbanritualcafe.com/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Urban Ritual\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, even named a drink after her. The drink is currently one of the store’s top three sellers, according to founder David Zhou. Whenever Wang posts about Urban Ritual, the store usually sees a 10 percent uptick in sales.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In that sense, Wang has become one of the most powerful people in the Bay Area boba scene—a kingmaker of sorts whose videos, many which are filmed inside her car, often wind up having a real impact on a small shop’s business fortunes. It’s a future that Wang never could have imagined when she was a college student posting food recommendations just for fun. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>From Software Engineer to Social Media Creator\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang’s food blogging journey began in 2013 when she was a freshman at UC Davis studying computer science and psychology. As a hobby, she made @davis_eats, an Instagram account documenting her adventures exploring the college town’s food scene. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After graduating, Wang moved back to the Bay Area to live with her parents and began working as a software engineer. While she enjoyed coding, she found that she didn’t like it enough to do it eight hours a day. What she did love was building her food Instagram, which she renamed \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/feedmeimei/?hl=en\">Feed Meimei\u003c/a>. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I found myself at work just being like, ‘I really wish I could just keep doing that. I want to go out and be shooting content at restaurants,’” Wang says. “It took months for me to come to terms with the fact that I was going to take this untraditional route. Growing up, I always thought I would be a doctor, lawyer or engineer, the classic jobs that Asian parents want you to do.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915017\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13915017\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A woman sits in cafe booth with a huge stack of oversized cups of boba in front of her.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-scaled.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-768x1024.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-1152x1536.jpg 1152w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-1536x2048.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wang is likely the internet’s first full-time boba influencer. \u003ccite>(Alyssa Wang / @feedmeimei)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang decided at the end of 2018 to quit her job in tech to pursue content creation full time, a decision she says was partially inspired by the path of fellow UC Davis grad TJ Lee, known online as \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/c/cupoftj\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cup of TJ\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Wang had saved up money from her job and didn’t have other major financial responsibilities at the time. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She hit the ground running in January 2019, churning out two Youtube videos per week and doing everything from storyboarding, preparing drinks and food, shooting and editing. On Instagram, she started making original content six times per week. In June 2019, she \u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@feedmeimei?lang=en\">joined TikTok\u003c/a> and started posting there as well.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I was just like, go, go, go, just put my head down and work,” Wang says. “I was very much in the mindset of like, ‘I’m just going to work, I’m going to upload, and as long as I keep going, then eventually I will be able to succeed.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Combatting Creator Burnout\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was unsustainable. At the end of 2019, she began to question why she was “working so hard towards something that was never going to happen.” So she took a break from content creation, a field where likes and views have made it notoriously easy to compare your own journey to those of others. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then, the pandemic hit. While tinkering with unpublished footage, at first out of sheer boredom, Wang rediscovered her love for making videos about food. She slowly began posting on Youtube again, just once a week. In 2021, she began experimenting with making boba from scratch and forming it into different characters. Those turned out to be her first “viral” moments. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/CbeDBwFF_Rw/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In a video with 1.2 million views on TikTok and 5.7 million views on Youtube Shorts, Wang melts down a strawberry Melona bar to make red panda-shaped tapioca pearls inspired by Pixar’s \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Turning Red\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. In another TikTok video with 5.9 million views, she makes \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lZ-G3ASbLAc\">cotton-candy pink, Kirby-shaped pearls\u003c/a>. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The success has obviously helped, but being a full-time creator for more than three years has also taught Wang the importance of practicing self-care. She has learned to liberally use Youtube’s “don’t recommend channel” feature to prevent its algorithm from displaying other creators’ videos on her feed. It’s nothing personal—she’s ecstatic for their success—“but I also don’t want myself to feel like I’m not doing enough or I’m not happy where I am,” Wang says, “because I am happy.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The other thing that has helped, Wang says, is that family support, particularly from her mom, has remained constant. And that has made all the difference.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang’s mom even \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">makes\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> frequent, highly-requested appearances in videos. (She has been featured in more than 60 of them so far.) The mother and daughter’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyB1W1tgHUw\">matching levels of enthusiasm for food\u003c/a> make for lighthearted entertainment that some viewers have said reminds them of their interactions with their own family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bGRQJzAKZw\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Coming from an Asian upbringing, usually families aren’t super expressive with their emotions,” Wang says. “But, food, it was always something that could bring us together.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A Queen of Many Domains\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While some of Wang’s subscribers may have originally come across her channel due to her viral boba videos, her positivity keeps them coming back for more—no matter the video’s subject. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Her well-received forays into making non-boba content are proof. She’s made food guides for the Bay Area, Taiwan, Japan, Toronto, Los Angeles, Hawaii and more. Her recent videos include a taste test and ranking of \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyB1W1tgHUw\">every appetizer, dumpling and noodle dish at chain restaurant Din Tai Fung\u003c/a> alongside her mom. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang speaks to the camera directly, casually, as a friend. Seldom does she offer overt criticism. It’s what sets her, and other food influencers, apart from the professional food critics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915020\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2048px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13915020\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A woman smiles holding a colorful, seven-scoop ice cream cone in each hand.\" width=\"2048\" height=\"2560\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-scaled.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-800x1000.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-1020x1275.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-768x960.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-1229x1536.jpg 1229w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-1638x2048.jpg 1638w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-1920x2400.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2048px) 100vw, 2048px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Feed Meimei has branched out beyond boba to post videos about other food-related topics like soup dumplings and ice cream. \u003ccite>(Alyssa Wang / @feedmeimei)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sbe’s become somewhat of a local star, especially in the Bay Area’s boba scene. Baristas often tell her that customers use her videos as a guide for what to order, she says. She’s not fully used to the attention yet, and still finds it unreal that her subscribers will “sit there and watch me talk about food for, like, 20 minutes.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[aside postID='arts_13904913,arts_13897410,arts_13908947']It’s been a successful endeavor so far, if the Feed Meimei team’s rapid expansion is any indication. In the past month, Wang has taken on a hiring manager, an assistant and a lawyer—a move that she says has been “long overdue.” Soon, she’ll hire another editor and start a new Youtube channel for casual vlogging. She did not delve into specifics of her financial situation, but, like other influencers, she generates income through a combination of brand partnerships, ad revenue, merchandise and collaborations—her Urban Ritual drink included. She makes enough, at least, that she doesn’t need to take on any other day job.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang, a deeply nostalgic person, drew the flavor profile for her “Feed Me Ube” collaboration drink from her childhood. Her voice picks up as she describes the decadent drink, which features ube-flavored crème brûlée pudding, taro chunks, coconut milk and a choice of either rice milk or whole milk: “The rice milk is much lighter and it really lets the flavor of the ube shine through. But you could really taste that coconut-y sweetness with the whole milk.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“It was so creamy,” Wang says, with the same enthusiasm she must have had as a kid, collecting stickers to get her weekly boba fix. “A dessert in a cup, basically.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The TikTok boba influencer dishes on nontraditional Asian American career paths, self-care and going 'viral.'","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705006708,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":1541},"headData":{"title":"How Feed Meimei Became the Bay Area’s First Boba Influencer | KQED","description":"The TikTok boba influencer dishes on nontraditional Asian American career paths, self-care and going 'viral.'","ogTitle":"How Feed Meimei's Alyssa Wang Became the Bay Area’s Queen of Boba","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"How Feed Meimei's Alyssa Wang Became the Bay Area’s Queen of Boba","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialTitle":"How Feed Meimei Became the Bay Area’s First Boba Influencer %%page%% %%sep%% KQED","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"How Alyssa Wang Became the Bay Area’s Queen of Boba","datePublished":"2022-06-17T18:51:29.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T20:58:28.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"source":"Food","sourceUrl":"/food/","sticky":false,"nprByline":"Iris Kwok","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","path":"/arts/13915004/boba-influencer-tiktok-youtube-feedmeimei-alyssa-wang","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Every week, I would have piano lessons, and if I did well, my teacher would give me a sticker. If I got a sticker, then my mom would take me to Tapioca Express, ” says Alyssa Wang, who goes by the online name \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/c/feedmeimei/videos\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Feed Meimei\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. “So I’ve always loved boba since I was a kid.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For Asian Americans of a certain generation, this kind of childhood nostalgia is commonplace. But Wang, 27, is one of the only ones who has transformed her boba love into a career. She is the internet’s likely first full-time boba content creator. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today, Feed Meimei boasts more than 605,000 subscribers on Youtube, 737,000 followers on her Tiktok and 242,000 followers on Instagram. Over the past five years, Wang has made more than 70 Youtube videos documenting her countless visits to Bay Area boba shops. Wang’s favorite boba shop in the Bay Area, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.urbanritualcafe.com/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Urban Ritual\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, even named a drink after her. The drink is currently one of the store’s top three sellers, according to founder David Zhou. Whenever Wang posts about Urban Ritual, the store usually sees a 10 percent uptick in sales.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In that sense, Wang has become one of the most powerful people in the Bay Area boba scene—a kingmaker of sorts whose videos, many which are filmed inside her car, often wind up having a real impact on a small shop’s business fortunes. It’s a future that Wang never could have imagined when she was a college student posting food recommendations just for fun. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>From Software Engineer to Social Media Creator\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang’s food blogging journey began in 2013 when she was a freshman at UC Davis studying computer science and psychology. As a hobby, she made @davis_eats, an Instagram account documenting her adventures exploring the college town’s food scene. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After graduating, Wang moved back to the Bay Area to live with her parents and began working as a software engineer. While she enjoyed coding, she found that she didn’t like it enough to do it eight hours a day. What she did love was building her food Instagram, which she renamed \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/feedmeimei/?hl=en\">Feed Meimei\u003c/a>. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I found myself at work just being like, ‘I really wish I could just keep doing that. I want to go out and be shooting content at restaurants,’” Wang says. “It took months for me to come to terms with the fact that I was going to take this untraditional route. Growing up, I always thought I would be a doctor, lawyer or engineer, the classic jobs that Asian parents want you to do.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915017\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13915017\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A woman sits in cafe booth with a huge stack of oversized cups of boba in front of her.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-scaled.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-768x1024.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-1152x1536.jpg 1152w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_boba-1536x2048.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wang is likely the internet’s first full-time boba influencer. \u003ccite>(Alyssa Wang / @feedmeimei)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang decided at the end of 2018 to quit her job in tech to pursue content creation full time, a decision she says was partially inspired by the path of fellow UC Davis grad TJ Lee, known online as \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/c/cupoftj\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cup of TJ\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Wang had saved up money from her job and didn’t have other major financial responsibilities at the time. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She hit the ground running in January 2019, churning out two Youtube videos per week and doing everything from storyboarding, preparing drinks and food, shooting and editing. On Instagram, she started making original content six times per week. In June 2019, she \u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@feedmeimei?lang=en\">joined TikTok\u003c/a> and started posting there as well.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I was just like, go, go, go, just put my head down and work,” Wang says. “I was very much in the mindset of like, ‘I’m just going to work, I’m going to upload, and as long as I keep going, then eventually I will be able to succeed.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Combatting Creator Burnout\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was unsustainable. At the end of 2019, she began to question why she was “working so hard towards something that was never going to happen.” So she took a break from content creation, a field where likes and views have made it notoriously easy to compare your own journey to those of others. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then, the pandemic hit. While tinkering with unpublished footage, at first out of sheer boredom, Wang rediscovered her love for making videos about food. She slowly began posting on Youtube again, just once a week. In 2021, she began experimenting with making boba from scratch and forming it into different characters. Those turned out to be her first “viral” moments. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"CbeDBwFF_Rw"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In a video with 1.2 million views on TikTok and 5.7 million views on Youtube Shorts, Wang melts down a strawberry Melona bar to make red panda-shaped tapioca pearls inspired by Pixar’s \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Turning Red\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. In another TikTok video with 5.9 million views, she makes \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lZ-G3ASbLAc\">cotton-candy pink, Kirby-shaped pearls\u003c/a>. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The success has obviously helped, but being a full-time creator for more than three years has also taught Wang the importance of practicing self-care. She has learned to liberally use Youtube’s “don’t recommend channel” feature to prevent its algorithm from displaying other creators’ videos on her feed. It’s nothing personal—she’s ecstatic for their success—“but I also don’t want myself to feel like I’m not doing enough or I’m not happy where I am,” Wang says, “because I am happy.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The other thing that has helped, Wang says, is that family support, particularly from her mom, has remained constant. And that has made all the difference.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang’s mom even \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">makes\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> frequent, highly-requested appearances in videos. (She has been featured in more than 60 of them so far.) The mother and daughter’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyB1W1tgHUw\">matching levels of enthusiasm for food\u003c/a> make for lighthearted entertainment that some viewers have said reminds them of their interactions with their own family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/7bGRQJzAKZw'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/7bGRQJzAKZw'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“Coming from an Asian upbringing, usually families aren’t super expressive with their emotions,” Wang says. “But, food, it was always something that could bring us together.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A Queen of Many Domains\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While some of Wang’s subscribers may have originally come across her channel due to her viral boba videos, her positivity keeps them coming back for more—no matter the video’s subject. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Her well-received forays into making non-boba content are proof. She’s made food guides for the Bay Area, Taiwan, Japan, Toronto, Los Angeles, Hawaii and more. Her recent videos include a taste test and ranking of \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyB1W1tgHUw\">every appetizer, dumpling and noodle dish at chain restaurant Din Tai Fung\u003c/a> alongside her mom. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang speaks to the camera directly, casually, as a friend. Seldom does she offer overt criticism. It’s what sets her, and other food influencers, apart from the professional food critics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13915020\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2048px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13915020\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A woman smiles holding a colorful, seven-scoop ice cream cone in each hand.\" width=\"2048\" height=\"2560\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-scaled.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-800x1000.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-1020x1275.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-768x960.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-1229x1536.jpg 1229w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-1638x2048.jpg 1638w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/feedmeimei_icecream-1920x2400.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2048px) 100vw, 2048px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Feed Meimei has branched out beyond boba to post videos about other food-related topics like soup dumplings and ice cream. \u003ccite>(Alyssa Wang / @feedmeimei)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sbe’s become somewhat of a local star, especially in the Bay Area’s boba scene. Baristas often tell her that customers use her videos as a guide for what to order, she says. She’s not fully used to the attention yet, and still finds it unreal that her subscribers will “sit there and watch me talk about food for, like, 20 minutes.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13904913,arts_13897410,arts_13908947","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>It’s been a successful endeavor so far, if the Feed Meimei team’s rapid expansion is any indication. In the past month, Wang has taken on a hiring manager, an assistant and a lawyer—a move that she says has been “long overdue.” Soon, she’ll hire another editor and start a new Youtube channel for casual vlogging. She did not delve into specifics of her financial situation, but, like other influencers, she generates income through a combination of brand partnerships, ad revenue, merchandise and collaborations—her Urban Ritual drink included. She makes enough, at least, that she doesn’t need to take on any other day job.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wang, a deeply nostalgic person, drew the flavor profile for her “Feed Me Ube” collaboration drink from her childhood. Her voice picks up as she describes the decadent drink, which features ube-flavored crème brûlée pudding, taro chunks, coconut milk and a choice of either rice milk or whole milk: “The rice milk is much lighter and it really lets the flavor of the ube shine through. But you could really taste that coconut-y sweetness with the whole milk.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“It was so creamy,” Wang says, with the same enthusiasm she must have had as a kid, collecting stickers to get her weekly boba fix. “A dessert in a cup, basically.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13915004/boba-influencer-tiktok-youtube-feedmeimei-alyssa-wang","authors":["byline_arts_13915004"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_12276"],"tags":["arts_14423","arts_10342","arts_10278","arts_2098","arts_2305","arts_8017","arts_4554"],"featImg":"arts_13915007","label":"source_arts_13915004"},"arts_13910817":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13910817","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13910817","score":null,"sort":[1647788413000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"chowhound-shutting-down-rip","title":"Before I Became a Food Writer, I Was a Chowhound","publishDate":1647788413,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Before I Became a Food Writer, I Was a Chowhound | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[dropcap]Y[/dropcap]ears before I’d published a single article about food, I used to spend hours each week writing about where I’d found the Bay Area’s stinkiest stinky tofu, or the fudgiest slice of chocolate cake, or the most unusual variety of melon. In other words, I was one of thousands who regularly shared my most long-winded food discoveries on the discussion forum \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.chowhound.com/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chowhound\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which once dominated online food conversation in the pre-Yelp internet but has mostly faded to obscurity these last few years.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On Monday, March 28, Chowhound will \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.chowhound.com/post/final-goodbye-chowhound-1098935\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">shut down for good\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, closed by \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.redventures.com/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Red Ventures\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, the media company that acquired the site in 2020. The decision marks a sad if unsurprising end to one of the few remaining relics of the late-’90s internet. But to me, the loss feels personal: Chowhound played a primary role in my path toward becoming a food writer.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even some 15 years ago, when I first started posting on the site, Chowhound already felt like a throwback to some earlier form of internet—the dial-up modem world wide web of my teenage years, when I’d log onto the Bulletin Board System (BBS) my friend hosted from his bedroom PC and spend hours arguing with strangers about atheism, or Pearl Jam, or the designated hitter rule. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">During its heyday in the 2000s and early 2010s, Chowhound didn’t have a single bell or whistle. It was difficult to post photos. The interface was aggressively unattractive. The search bar function had a mind of its own. And for any given discussion thread, users would have to scroll through dozens if not hundreds of lengthy, often discursive posts to find the nugget of information they wanted. A casual visitor looking for a Chinese restaurant recommendation, for example, might be taken aback by the intensity of the back-and-forth conversations on hyper-regional variations on a dish and the historical roots of some seemingly obscure technique or ingredient.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size=\"large\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Jim Leff's 'Chowhound Manifesto'\"]“Foodies eat where they’re told. Chowhounds blaze trails. They comb through neighborhoods for culinary treasure. They despise hype.”[/pullquote]In fact, Chowhound’s lack of user-friendliness was a feature rather than a bug. Founded in 1997, the site was the brainchild of a New York City writer and jazz trombone player named Jim Leff, who, along with his friend Bob Okumura, hoped to form a community for like-minded food obsessives—people who “\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20220318041837/https://www.chowhound.com/manifesto\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">never settle for less than optimal deliciousness\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.” In its early years, user discussions focused primarily on New York, but quickly grew to include dedicated message boards for most of America’s major metropolitan areas, each board a community unto itself. The Bay Area board was always one of the most active.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Leff’s belief was that “chowhounds” were fundamentally different from “foodies,” whom he despised. “Foodies eat where they’re told,” he wrote in his “\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20220318041837/https://www.chowhound.com/manifesto\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chowhound Manifesto\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">,” which, for years, was the first post that greeted every new user to the site. “Chowhounds blaze trails. They comb through neighborhoods for culinary treasure. They despise hype.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was a community that, at its core, placed a premium on hedonism. Deliciousness was an equal-opportunity player. You might not find it at a fine dining restaurant, the site’s devotees believed, or an “artisanal” food spot approved by the restaurant critic at the paper of record. Instead, you might find it at a little pupusa counter in the back of a convenience store. You might find it at Popeye’s or Grocery Outlet. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13910832\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13910832\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound.jpg\" alt=\"A man wearing a dog mask and glasses points to a street stall sign that reads, "Wei's Smelly Tofu."\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1182\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-800x493.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-1020x628.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-160x99.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-768x473.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-1536x946.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chowhound founder Jim Leff, a \u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20220318134757/https://www.chowhound.com/post/jim-leff-wimps-stinky-tofu-308908\">reluctant stinky tofu eater\u003c/a>, wore a mask so he could visit restaurants anonymously during a 2006 trip to Toronto. \u003ccite>(Steve Russell/Toronto Star via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While subsequent review sites like Yelp provided a platform for the restaurant-going masses, Chowhound prided itself on offering a home to the expert food explorer—the person who had eaten and documented every single al pastor taco in Fruitvale, or the post-doctoral researcher from China who translated local restaurants’ special menus and arcane food-related historical texts in their spare time. A super-user named “Ruth Lafler” introduced me to the pleasures of an hours-long \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14509760\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">taco crawl\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">; another who went by “rworange” first inspired my curiosity about the culinary delights of Richmond and \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20220319231703/https://www.chowhound.com/post/san-pablo-las-montanas-bay-area-mexican-supermarkets-mexican-790018\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">San Pablo\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Meanwhile, Leff himself wrote that he, in fact, actively sought to \u003cem>repel\u003c/em> the kind of casual posters who might fill the message board with “\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://jimleff.blogspot.com/2016/10/resistance-to-winnowing.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">trendy ditz\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It wasn’t necessarily a formula for mainstream success. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[dropcap]A[/dropcap]nd yet Chowhound endured. The creaky, mostly monochrome message board survived the rise of Facebook, Twitter and photo-driven, aesthetically pleasing food blogs. It outlived GeoCities. It outlived Michael Bauer’s tenure as the \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> food critic. And its ethos stayed largely the same, even after Chowhound’s 2006 acquisition by San Francisco-based CNET Networks and, in 2008, that company’s subsequent merger with CBS Interactive. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eventually, as so often happens, the website’s new corporate ownership \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://eastbayexpress.com/chowhound-comes-of-age-for-better-or-worse-1/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">instituted a series of “improvements”\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">—a five-star rating system, a sleeker interface, larger fonts and a tag-based organizational system. Meant to increase the site’s mass appeal, the changes ultimately \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://eastbayexpress.com/chowhound-in-crisis-an-unpopular-redesign-prompts-longtime-users-to-leave-the-food-discussion-website-2-1/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">alienated the site’s core users\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. One final flurry of market-chasing meddling, in 2015, was the final straw: A mass exodus ensued. Melanie Wong, a retired pharmaceutical executive and longtime poster on Chowhound’s Bay Area board, called it “the Great Rift.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Almost overnight, activity on even the most popular regional discussion boards slowed to a trickle—just a few posts a day, contrasted with the peak years, when there might have been a couple hundred. In the past two or three years, especially, many of the boards would go for several weeks without a single post. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[aside postID='arts_13910410,arts_13904835,arts_13900855']Sampson Shen, who posted on Chowhound under the user name “ckshen,” was one of those who migrated from the site in 2015. He wound up creating his own alternative: a not-for-profit discussion forum called \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.hungryonion.org/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hungry Onion\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> that he hosts on a monthly budget of less than $100. It’s probably the closest thing on the web right now to the old Chowhound: It has a similar stripped-down aesthetic, and counts a large number of Chowhound exiles among its frequent contributors. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Still, Shen admits that Hungry Onion would struggle to even come close to the vibrancy of Chowhound’s golden age when, in any given discussion thread, you might have 20 knowledgeable posters writing in-depth analyses of the merits of a particular dish. An immigrant from Hong Kong, Shen says that while he knew quite a bit about his own culture’s cuisine, Chowhound provided him access to deep knowledge about so many other genres of food. Hungry Onion simply doesn’t have the critical mass of active members to do that to the same extent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“To have a site that resembles half the richness of Chowhound’s conversation, we would need to have twice as many contributors,” he says.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Still, Shen doesn’t quite agree that Chowhound is a relic of the past. Even if “general chatter” has migrated to social networks like Facebook and Twitter, he believes there’s still a place for specialized knowledge—for the kind of nuanced and esoteric food discussions that take place on his site. Look at the online forums for computer programmers, for instance, Shen says. “They’re doing just fine.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[dropcap]P[/dropcap]erhaps no one embodies the Chowhound ethos better than Wong, the aforementioned retired pharmaceutical executive whose discerning posts on everything from döner kebab shops to the local competitive barbecue circuit on the Bay Area board were the stuff of legend—to the point that the Los Angeles food critic Jonathan Gold once wrote her a fan letter and, eventually, struck up a friendship. (Like many professional food writers, Gold would post on Chowhound under a secret alias; even after Gold’s death in 2018, Wong has kept her promise to never reveal it.)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wong is now one of the site’s last remaining regular active users, and says she’s posted her food discoveries on Chowhound nearly every day since around 2000. “Being part of an online community is as natural for me as going out for drinks with friends after work,” Wong says. “It has been my daily habit.” Even during Chowhound’s lean recent years, when I’d check in on the site once every couple of months, Wong kept up her prodigious output. Most days, it seemed like she was the only person who was still posting on the Bay Area board.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chowhound was an important cultural marker, Wong says, for much the same reason that people were so deeply broken up when Anthony Bourdain died. “They made it okay to be obsessed with food,” she says of Chowhound’s online community. “That wasn’t so much a part of American culture before.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On occasion, the forum would make its impact felt in the real world, even beyond boosting sales at scores of formerly overlooked panaderías, dosa shops and arepa stands. Wong recalls one poignant example when, in 2007, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/bayareabites/639/salinas-taco-trucks-in-jeopardy\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the city of Salinas planned to restrict, or even outright ban, taco trucks\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">—an effort \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/us/15taco.html\">spearheaded by area restaurants\u003c/a> unhappy with the competition. Wong, who had praised the city’s 30 designated taco trucks on Chowhound in the past, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.chowhound.com/post/salinas-chowdown-report-venimos-vimos-comimos-tacos-409977\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">organized an in-person “chowdown”\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to show off what she believed to be a delicious, destination-worthy gem of the Salinas Valley. Wong attended the city council meeting in person to speak out on behalf of the taco truck community—and other Chowhounds blitzed the council members with letters of support.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the end, Wong says, “We convinced them that taco trucks were something people come down to the area for.” The city council voted against the ban, and Salinas’ taco trucks were allowed to stay. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size=\"large\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Melanie Wong\"]“[Chowhounds] made it okay to be obsessed with food. That wasn’t so much a part of American culture before.”[/pullquote]Wong says she’s now taking some time to consider where her new online home will be. For now, she’s mostly concerned with saving the old Chowhound data, and working against the clock, behind the scenes, with the folks at the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://archive.org/web/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Internet Archive\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to preserve as much of the site’s history as possible. “We’re trying to capture memories,” she says.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 2012, when I was hired as the restaurant critic for the \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">East Bay Express\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">—my first gig as a professional food writer—I couldn’t have articulated a clearly defined philosophy of food journalism. But I’d already been posting my most exciting food finds on Chowhound for years at that point. I’d been hitting the back roads and spending time in the ugliest, most far-flung strip mall restaurants, because my fellow hounds had taught me that often, that’s where deliciousness could be found. Slowly, post by post, I’d grown unafraid of wandering into an unfamiliar neighborhood—of being the first person in my friend group, or even the internet at large, to try a restaurant and to weigh in on what I’d thought. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If I could bring a bit of that Chowhound spirit into my work as a food critic, I thought—if I could speak up on behalf of the little out-of-the-way places I used to wax poetic about on Chowhound, halfway down a 200-post discussion thread—well, it seemed like that wouldn’t be a bad place to start. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Someday, I’ll step away from my keyboard, retire my Twitter account and listen to my doctor’s advice to eat a reasonable number of meals each day. Someday I’ll quit this business. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I’ll always be a chowhound.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The online discussion forum for food obsessives shuts down after 25 years.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705007070,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":2126},"headData":{"title":"Chowhound Shuts Down: The End of a Landmark of the Early Food Internet | KQED","description":"The online discussion forum for food obsessives shuts down after 25 years.","ogTitle":"Before I Became a Food Writer, I Was a Chowhound","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"Before I Became a Food Writer, I Was a Chowhound","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialTitle":"Chowhound Shuts Down: The End of a Landmark of the Early Food Internet %%page%% %%sep%% KQED","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Before I Became a Food Writer, I Was a Chowhound","datePublished":"2022-03-20T15:00:13.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T21:04:30.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"source":"Food","sourceUrl":"/food/","sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/arts/13910817/chowhound-shutting-down-rip","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">Y\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>ears before I’d published a single article about food, I used to spend hours each week writing about where I’d found the Bay Area’s stinkiest stinky tofu, or the fudgiest slice of chocolate cake, or the most unusual variety of melon. In other words, I was one of thousands who regularly shared my most long-winded food discoveries on the discussion forum \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.chowhound.com/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chowhound\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which once dominated online food conversation in the pre-Yelp internet but has mostly faded to obscurity these last few years.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On Monday, March 28, Chowhound will \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.chowhound.com/post/final-goodbye-chowhound-1098935\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">shut down for good\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, closed by \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.redventures.com/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Red Ventures\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, the media company that acquired the site in 2020. The decision marks a sad if unsurprising end to one of the few remaining relics of the late-’90s internet. But to me, the loss feels personal: Chowhound played a primary role in my path toward becoming a food writer.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even some 15 years ago, when I first started posting on the site, Chowhound already felt like a throwback to some earlier form of internet—the dial-up modem world wide web of my teenage years, when I’d log onto the Bulletin Board System (BBS) my friend hosted from his bedroom PC and spend hours arguing with strangers about atheism, or Pearl Jam, or the designated hitter rule. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">During its heyday in the 2000s and early 2010s, Chowhound didn’t have a single bell or whistle. It was difficult to post photos. The interface was aggressively unattractive. The search bar function had a mind of its own. And for any given discussion thread, users would have to scroll through dozens if not hundreds of lengthy, often discursive posts to find the nugget of information they wanted. A casual visitor looking for a Chinese restaurant recommendation, for example, might be taken aback by the intensity of the back-and-forth conversations on hyper-regional variations on a dish and the historical roots of some seemingly obscure technique or ingredient.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"“Foodies eat where they’re told. Chowhounds blaze trails. They comb through neighborhoods for culinary treasure. They despise hype.”","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"large","align":"right","citation":"Jim Leff's 'Chowhound Manifesto'","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>In fact, Chowhound’s lack of user-friendliness was a feature rather than a bug. Founded in 1997, the site was the brainchild of a New York City writer and jazz trombone player named Jim Leff, who, along with his friend Bob Okumura, hoped to form a community for like-minded food obsessives—people who “\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20220318041837/https://www.chowhound.com/manifesto\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">never settle for less than optimal deliciousness\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.” In its early years, user discussions focused primarily on New York, but quickly grew to include dedicated message boards for most of America’s major metropolitan areas, each board a community unto itself. The Bay Area board was always one of the most active.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Leff’s belief was that “chowhounds” were fundamentally different from “foodies,” whom he despised. “Foodies eat where they’re told,” he wrote in his “\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20220318041837/https://www.chowhound.com/manifesto\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chowhound Manifesto\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">,” which, for years, was the first post that greeted every new user to the site. “Chowhounds blaze trails. They comb through neighborhoods for culinary treasure. They despise hype.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was a community that, at its core, placed a premium on hedonism. Deliciousness was an equal-opportunity player. You might not find it at a fine dining restaurant, the site’s devotees believed, or an “artisanal” food spot approved by the restaurant critic at the paper of record. Instead, you might find it at a little pupusa counter in the back of a convenience store. You might find it at Popeye’s or Grocery Outlet. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13910832\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13910832\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound.jpg\" alt=\"A man wearing a dog mask and glasses points to a street stall sign that reads, "Wei's Smelly Tofu."\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1182\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-800x493.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-1020x628.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-160x99.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-768x473.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/JimLeff.Chowhound-1536x946.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chowhound founder Jim Leff, a \u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20220318134757/https://www.chowhound.com/post/jim-leff-wimps-stinky-tofu-308908\">reluctant stinky tofu eater\u003c/a>, wore a mask so he could visit restaurants anonymously during a 2006 trip to Toronto. \u003ccite>(Steve Russell/Toronto Star via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While subsequent review sites like Yelp provided a platform for the restaurant-going masses, Chowhound prided itself on offering a home to the expert food explorer—the person who had eaten and documented every single al pastor taco in Fruitvale, or the post-doctoral researcher from China who translated local restaurants’ special menus and arcane food-related historical texts in their spare time. A super-user named “Ruth Lafler” introduced me to the pleasures of an hours-long \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14509760\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">taco crawl\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">; another who went by “rworange” first inspired my curiosity about the culinary delights of Richmond and \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20220319231703/https://www.chowhound.com/post/san-pablo-las-montanas-bay-area-mexican-supermarkets-mexican-790018\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">San Pablo\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Meanwhile, Leff himself wrote that he, in fact, actively sought to \u003cem>repel\u003c/em> the kind of casual posters who might fill the message board with “\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://jimleff.blogspot.com/2016/10/resistance-to-winnowing.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">trendy ditz\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It wasn’t necessarily a formula for mainstream success. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">A\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>nd yet Chowhound endured. The creaky, mostly monochrome message board survived the rise of Facebook, Twitter and photo-driven, aesthetically pleasing food blogs. It outlived GeoCities. It outlived Michael Bauer’s tenure as the \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> food critic. And its ethos stayed largely the same, even after Chowhound’s 2006 acquisition by San Francisco-based CNET Networks and, in 2008, that company’s subsequent merger with CBS Interactive. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eventually, as so often happens, the website’s new corporate ownership \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://eastbayexpress.com/chowhound-comes-of-age-for-better-or-worse-1/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">instituted a series of “improvements”\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">—a five-star rating system, a sleeker interface, larger fonts and a tag-based organizational system. Meant to increase the site’s mass appeal, the changes ultimately \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://eastbayexpress.com/chowhound-in-crisis-an-unpopular-redesign-prompts-longtime-users-to-leave-the-food-discussion-website-2-1/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">alienated the site’s core users\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. One final flurry of market-chasing meddling, in 2015, was the final straw: A mass exodus ensued. Melanie Wong, a retired pharmaceutical executive and longtime poster on Chowhound’s Bay Area board, called it “the Great Rift.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Almost overnight, activity on even the most popular regional discussion boards slowed to a trickle—just a few posts a day, contrasted with the peak years, when there might have been a couple hundred. In the past two or three years, especially, many of the boards would go for several weeks without a single post. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13910410,arts_13904835,arts_13900855","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Sampson Shen, who posted on Chowhound under the user name “ckshen,” was one of those who migrated from the site in 2015. He wound up creating his own alternative: a not-for-profit discussion forum called \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.hungryonion.org/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hungry Onion\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> that he hosts on a monthly budget of less than $100. It’s probably the closest thing on the web right now to the old Chowhound: It has a similar stripped-down aesthetic, and counts a large number of Chowhound exiles among its frequent contributors. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Still, Shen admits that Hungry Onion would struggle to even come close to the vibrancy of Chowhound’s golden age when, in any given discussion thread, you might have 20 knowledgeable posters writing in-depth analyses of the merits of a particular dish. An immigrant from Hong Kong, Shen says that while he knew quite a bit about his own culture’s cuisine, Chowhound provided him access to deep knowledge about so many other genres of food. Hungry Onion simply doesn’t have the critical mass of active members to do that to the same extent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“To have a site that resembles half the richness of Chowhound’s conversation, we would need to have twice as many contributors,” he says.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Still, Shen doesn’t quite agree that Chowhound is a relic of the past. Even if “general chatter” has migrated to social networks like Facebook and Twitter, he believes there’s still a place for specialized knowledge—for the kind of nuanced and esoteric food discussions that take place on his site. Look at the online forums for computer programmers, for instance, Shen says. “They’re doing just fine.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">P\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>erhaps no one embodies the Chowhound ethos better than Wong, the aforementioned retired pharmaceutical executive whose discerning posts on everything from döner kebab shops to the local competitive barbecue circuit on the Bay Area board were the stuff of legend—to the point that the Los Angeles food critic Jonathan Gold once wrote her a fan letter and, eventually, struck up a friendship. (Like many professional food writers, Gold would post on Chowhound under a secret alias; even after Gold’s death in 2018, Wong has kept her promise to never reveal it.)\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wong is now one of the site’s last remaining regular active users, and says she’s posted her food discoveries on Chowhound nearly every day since around 2000. “Being part of an online community is as natural for me as going out for drinks with friends after work,” Wong says. “It has been my daily habit.” Even during Chowhound’s lean recent years, when I’d check in on the site once every couple of months, Wong kept up her prodigious output. Most days, it seemed like she was the only person who was still posting on the Bay Area board.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Chowhound was an important cultural marker, Wong says, for much the same reason that people were so deeply broken up when Anthony Bourdain died. “They made it okay to be obsessed with food,” she says of Chowhound’s online community. “That wasn’t so much a part of American culture before.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On occasion, the forum would make its impact felt in the real world, even beyond boosting sales at scores of formerly overlooked panaderías, dosa shops and arepa stands. Wong recalls one poignant example when, in 2007, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/bayareabites/639/salinas-taco-trucks-in-jeopardy\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the city of Salinas planned to restrict, or even outright ban, taco trucks\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">—an effort \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/us/15taco.html\">spearheaded by area restaurants\u003c/a> unhappy with the competition. Wong, who had praised the city’s 30 designated taco trucks on Chowhound in the past, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.chowhound.com/post/salinas-chowdown-report-venimos-vimos-comimos-tacos-409977\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">organized an in-person “chowdown”\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to show off what she believed to be a delicious, destination-worthy gem of the Salinas Valley. Wong attended the city council meeting in person to speak out on behalf of the taco truck community—and other Chowhounds blitzed the council members with letters of support.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the end, Wong says, “We convinced them that taco trucks were something people come down to the area for.” The city council voted against the ban, and Salinas’ taco trucks were allowed to stay. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"“[Chowhounds] made it okay to be obsessed with food. That wasn’t so much a part of American culture before.”","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"large","align":"right","citation":"Melanie Wong","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Wong says she’s now taking some time to consider where her new online home will be. For now, she’s mostly concerned with saving the old Chowhound data, and working against the clock, behind the scenes, with the folks at the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://archive.org/web/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Internet Archive\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to preserve as much of the site’s history as possible. “We’re trying to capture memories,” she says.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 2012, when I was hired as the restaurant critic for the \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">East Bay Express\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">—my first gig as a professional food writer—I couldn’t have articulated a clearly defined philosophy of food journalism. But I’d already been posting my most exciting food finds on Chowhound for years at that point. I’d been hitting the back roads and spending time in the ugliest, most far-flung strip mall restaurants, because my fellow hounds had taught me that often, that’s where deliciousness could be found. Slowly, post by post, I’d grown unafraid of wandering into an unfamiliar neighborhood—of being the first person in my friend group, or even the internet at large, to try a restaurant and to weigh in on what I’d thought. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If I could bring a bit of that Chowhound spirit into my work as a food critic, I thought—if I could speak up on behalf of the little out-of-the-way places I used to wax poetic about on Chowhound, halfway down a 200-post discussion thread—well, it seemed like that wouldn’t be a bad place to start. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Someday, I’ll step away from my keyboard, retire my Twitter account and listen to my doctor’s advice to eat a reasonable number of meals each day. Someday I’ll quit this business. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I’ll always be a chowhound.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13910817/chowhound-shutting-down-rip","authors":["11743"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_12276"],"tags":["arts_10342","arts_10278","arts_2640","arts_2305","arts_4751"],"featImg":"arts_13910818","label":"source_arts_13910817"},"arts_13896607":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13896607","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13896607","score":null,"sort":[1619809598000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"disaster-girl-the-stuff-of-memes-sells-for-nearly-500000-as-nft","title":"'Disaster Girl,' the Stuff of Memes, Sells For Nearly $500,000 as NFT","publishDate":1619809598,"format":"standard","headTitle":"‘Disaster Girl,’ the Stuff of Memes, Sells For Nearly $500,000 as NFT | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":137,"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>Zoë Roth was internet famous before many of us knew what that was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When she was 4, her dad \u003ca href=\"https://www.flickr.com/photos/travelingroths/2518727675/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">took a picture\u003c/a> of her standing in front of a burning house and a firetruck. She’s looking back at the camera knowingly, leaving the viewer to suspect she had something to do with this disaster.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in reality, the fire scene was part of a training exercise for firefighters in Mebane, N.C., near where Zoë and her father, Dave Roth, lived.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After he entered it in a photo contest in 2007, it soon became the stuff of internet legend, \u003ca href=\"https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/disaster-girl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">launching “disaster girl” memes\u003c/a> around the world: Zoë looking back as the Titanic sinks, Zoë looking back as a mushroom cloud rises, Zoë looking back from the burning house saying, “She Should Of Made Me Cookies!!!!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Zoë is a \u003ca href=\"https://www.newsobserver.com/article250944639.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">21-year-old senior\u003c/a> at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who works at an Italian restaurant. Earlier this month came a big payoff for all this fame: A “nonfungible token,” or NFT, of the original copy of the iconic photo sold at auction for \u003ca href=\"https://foundation.app/DisasterGirl/disaster-girl-25046\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nearly $500,000\u003c/a>. The buyer is 3F Music, a music studio based in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, which has collected \u003ca href=\"https://foundation.app/3FMusic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">several other NFTs\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NFTs are part of the latest internet craze.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As NPR’s Bobby Allyn \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/05/974089381/whats-an-nft-and-why-are-people-paying-millions-to-buy-them\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">explained\u003c/a>: Nonfungible means “you can’t exchange it for another thing of equal value. A $10 bill can be exchanged for two $5 bills. One bar of gold can be swapped for another bar of gold of the same size. Those things are fungible. An NFT, though, is one of a kind. The token refers to a unit of currency on the blockchain. It’s how cryptocurrency like \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/02/971745290/bitcoin-revolutionary-breakthrough-or-mother-of-all-bubbles\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bitcoin is bought and sold\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An NFT of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/09/975450173/the-200k-nba-nft\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a video clip of LeBron James\u003c/a> dunking recently sold for more than $200,000. Nyan Cat, a popular meme from 2011 that features an animated flying cat, sold for \u003ca href=\"https://news.artnet.com/market/nyan-cat-nft-sells-for-560000-1945679\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nearly $600,000\u003c/a>. That’s relatively small potatoes. Last month, a JPG file made by a digital artist known as Beeple sold for nearly \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/976141522/beeple-jpg-file-sells-for-69-million-setting-crypto-art-record\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">$70 million\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As for Zoë Roth, all that internet fame has continued to puzzle her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As long as I’ve been on social media, it’s also been there doing its own thing,” she recently told \u003ca href=\"https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article250391541.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>The News & Observer\u003c/em>\u003c/a> in Raleigh, N.C. “So I’ve never been able to separate myself from it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2021 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Disaster+Girl%2C%27+The+Stuff+Of+Memes%2C+Sells+For+Nearly+%24500%2C000+As+NFT&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Zoë Roth was just 4 when her dad took a picture of her standing in front a burning house. That photo launched uncounted memes, and now the original copy has sold at auction as a nonfungible token.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705019091,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":444},"headData":{"title":"'Disaster Girl,' the Stuff of Memes, Sells For Nearly $500,000 as NFT | KQED","description":"Zoë Roth was just 4 when her dad took a picture of her standing in front a burning house. 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She’s looking back at the camera knowingly, leaving the viewer to suspect she had something to do with this disaster.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in reality, the fire scene was part of a training exercise for firefighters in Mebane, N.C., near where Zoë and her father, Dave Roth, lived.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After he entered it in a photo contest in 2007, it soon became the stuff of internet legend, \u003ca href=\"https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/disaster-girl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">launching “disaster girl” memes\u003c/a> around the world: Zoë looking back as the Titanic sinks, Zoë looking back as a mushroom cloud rises, Zoë looking back from the burning house saying, “She Should Of Made Me Cookies!!!!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Zoë is a \u003ca href=\"https://www.newsobserver.com/article250944639.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">21-year-old senior\u003c/a> at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who works at an Italian restaurant. Earlier this month came a big payoff for all this fame: A “nonfungible token,” or NFT, of the original copy of the iconic photo sold at auction for \u003ca href=\"https://foundation.app/DisasterGirl/disaster-girl-25046\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nearly $500,000\u003c/a>. The buyer is 3F Music, a music studio based in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, which has collected \u003ca href=\"https://foundation.app/3FMusic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">several other NFTs\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NFTs are part of the latest internet craze.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As NPR’s Bobby Allyn \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/05/974089381/whats-an-nft-and-why-are-people-paying-millions-to-buy-them\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">explained\u003c/a>: Nonfungible means “you can’t exchange it for another thing of equal value. A $10 bill can be exchanged for two $5 bills. One bar of gold can be swapped for another bar of gold of the same size. Those things are fungible. An NFT, though, is one of a kind. The token refers to a unit of currency on the blockchain. It’s how cryptocurrency like \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/02/971745290/bitcoin-revolutionary-breakthrough-or-mother-of-all-bubbles\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bitcoin is bought and sold\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An NFT of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/09/975450173/the-200k-nba-nft\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a video clip of LeBron James\u003c/a> dunking recently sold for more than $200,000. Nyan Cat, a popular meme from 2011 that features an animated flying cat, sold for \u003ca href=\"https://news.artnet.com/market/nyan-cat-nft-sells-for-560000-1945679\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nearly $600,000\u003c/a>. That’s relatively small potatoes. Last month, a JPG file made by a digital artist known as Beeple sold for nearly \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/976141522/beeple-jpg-file-sells-for-69-million-setting-crypto-art-record\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">$70 million\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As for Zoë Roth, all that internet fame has continued to puzzle her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As long as I’ve been on social media, it’s also been there doing its own thing,” she recently told \u003ca href=\"https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article250391541.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>The News & Observer\u003c/em>\u003c/a> in Raleigh, N.C. “So I’ve never been able to separate myself from it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2021 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Disaster+Girl%2C%27+The+Stuff+Of+Memes%2C+Sells+For+Nearly+%24500%2C000+As+NFT&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13896607/disaster-girl-the-stuff-of-memes-sells-for-nearly-500000-as-nft","authors":["byline_arts_13896607"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_2305","arts_1935"],"affiliates":["arts_137"],"featImg":"arts_13896608","label":"arts_137"},"arts_13896197":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13896197","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13896197","score":null,"sort":[1619124011000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"q-into-the-storm-director-unravels-the-twisted-knots-of-the-qanon-movement","title":"'Q: Into the Storm' Director Unravels the Twisted Knots of the QAnon Movement","publishDate":1619124011,"format":"standard","headTitle":"‘Q: Into the Storm’ Director Unravels the Twisted Knots of the QAnon Movement | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":137,"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>The insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 was predictable if you were following message boards on shadowy corners of the internet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Yeah, I thought Jan. 6 was going to be really bad,” Cullen Hoback, director of the documentary \u003cem>Q: Into the Storm, \u003c/em>told NPR in a recent interview. “I got hardly any sleep the two nights before it. I was very anxious going into that day.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hoback followed the growth of the QAnon movement for three years and unravels the twisted knots of the conspiracy theory in a six-part series on HBO. He focuses on the interpersonal drama between those behind the website 8chan (later 8kun), where an enigmatic “Q” posted false conspiracy theories that convinced millions there were nefarious Democratic actors involved in child-trafficking rings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13890913']Spurred on by former President Donald Trump’s false allegations of widespread fraud in the 2020 election that he lost to President Biden, many Q believers were among a larger group of anti-government extremists who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 in protest of the usually ceremonial counting of Electoral College votes affirming the election result.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The drama in the film develops incrementally as the inner workings of the dark web are explained for an audience unfamiliar with this world—which includes Fredrick Brennan, who created 8chan, and Jim and Ron Watkins, who later take on ownership and administration of the site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The documentary centers on the rivalry between Brennan and the shadowy father-son duo of Jim and Ron Watkins. Though they once all worked together, Brennan turns and winds up strongly \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/technology/8chan-shooting-manifesto.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">advocating against 8chan\u003c/a>. He does not believe the Watkinses, who test the bounds of free speech on the internet, are responsible stewards of the site, particularly after episodes of murder and violence that were linked to posters on the site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Through his investigation, Hoback believes he has revealed the identity of Q. Through anonymous “drops,” Q boasted of dates—that never materialized—when the cabal would be toppled. Followers of the movement believed Q must be someone high up in Trump’s inner circle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NPR has not independently verified Q’s identity, but Hoback’s film shows strong evidence that Ron Watkins was Q. He’s not someone particularly special and didn’t have any real ties to Trump, but he is someone who had access and motive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I hope that by revealing the mechanics behind Q and the personalities behind it,” Hoback said, “that they see that it really is just this kind of absurd cast of characters that created this massive global movement and that it is not this sort of scary mystery box.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The movement grew so large that QAnon supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., and Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., who “\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/885991730/gop-candidates-open-to-qanon-conspiracy-theory-advance-in-congressional-races\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">expressed openness to Q\u003c/a>” even \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/901628541/qanon-supporter-who-made-bigoted-videos-wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre\">won\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/901628541/qanon-supporter-who-made-bigoted-videos-wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">seats\u003c/a> in Congress, where they continue to spread misinformation. Greene even \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1383106255930155008\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">reportedly\u003c/a> tried to start an “America First” caucus that would have focused on “Anglo-Saxon” values. After initially \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/groundyourstand/status/1383198051217465346\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">seeming to defend it\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.salon.com/2021/04/17/marjorie-taylor-greene-forced-to-abandon-america-first-caucus-after-republican-outrage/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">she backed off\u003c/a> after the effort drew a sharp backlash.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early in her tenure this year, she was stripped of committee assignments and yet, despite her marginalization—or perhaps because of it—she raised $3.2 million in the first three months of this year. It’s a sum that’s not just high for a member of Congress but rivals many Senate candidates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Q hasn’t posted since the election, and many of its followers have been disappointed that its supposed prophecies haven’t come true. So where does the grassroots energy behind the movement, with its distrust of experts and willingness to believe misinformation, go from here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK_Gf9H2CWI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hoback talked with NPR about his investigation, what he hopes people take away from it and what it all might mean for the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following is a selection of our conversation and was edited for length and clarity:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>NPR: You were following QAnon far back when most of us—it was under our noses and just didn’t really understand it. Why did you then think that this was an important topic to cover and what drew you to it?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>HOBACK: I thought it was a sign of things to come, both in the ways Q was being managed online, removing Q or suggesting that this thing was something that was too dangerous to be allowed on Reddit. It made me wonder if it actually was going to have the opposite effect, if it was going to make it bigger. To me, it looked like something that was likely to continue to grow. And I was just drawn to the mystery as well. I felt that unmasking Q might bring the whole thing to a conclusion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I’m a political editor. Jan. 6 was one of the most harrowing moments in the film. What do you take away from the lead-up to Jan. 6? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13891014']The day itself, I found to be rather nerve-wracking. I think anybody who had really been tracking what was going on could see that this was the moment in which those power players who had been circling around Q, whether that’s Roger Stone, [retired Maj.] Gen. [Paul] Vallely, [retired] Gen. [Michael] Flynn, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Donald Trump, all of these guys, they were all prodding in the runup to Jan. 6 in a way to make the Q narrative real. And there were these overlapping groups that were all driving toward something similar. So I think if you were tracking it closely, you probably would have thought like myself that it was going to be even worse than it was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How much fault do you think Ron and Jim deserve for that day? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well, I don’t think Jan. 6 happened because of Q, but I also don’t think it would have happened without Q.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How interconnected was Trump world and Q?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I would like for there to be more investigation into the ties between Ron and Jim and some of these power players in D.C.—Gen. Flynn and these other characters. I mean, we’ve seen some forensic evidence, and certainly after the 2016 election, it stands to reason that, given the amount of traffic 8chan was turning to Trump’s own campaign, that they would have reached out. I think the series paints a pretty good case for their ties to these D.C. operatives. But the exact nature of that relationship remains a little unclear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Who were some of the key players and how much were they feeding Q information?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the series, we show what we know, which is that Jerome Corsi, the known conspiracy theorist, had ties with all of these guys, close ties, and was one of the first to bolster Q. He says that a couple of people he holds very close to him—and we know that he has ties to Vallely—said you need to start paying attention to this. Bring it on Alex Jones’ [show]. Make it bigger.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So that would indicate that very early on, some of these ex-military networks saw the value in Q, saw that it was gaining steam and wanted to bolster it. When you talk about the information that’s being funneled, I don’t think there was really any meaningful information being funneled to Q. Q was just basically picking its favorite research out of things that the anons [anonymous posters] were collecting on 8chan and then 8kun, and then reflecting that research, or those ideas or the conspiracy theories back to the anons in the form of questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So you didn’t have to be Gen. Michael Flynn to write the Q drops. You just needed to be an incredibly engaged and active user of 8chan and very well versed in the research and analysis and all the internet data points that were being collected in order to create that narrative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The documentary builds a powerful case that Ron is Q. Ron denies this, but in the documentary, he seems to relish the idea of being suspected. After the election, he comes out of the shadows and begins posting in his own name on Twitter about the election. He even \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/trump-meets-qanon-influencers-conspiracy-theory-s-adherents-beg-dictatorship-n1252144\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cstrong>appears on OAN\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong>, the right-wing cable TV platform, to share his false conspiracies about Dominion voting machines. Along with Trump, Ron was banned from Twitter. Tell us more about why you think it’s him.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s so much more evidence I have pointing to Ron than what I was able to keep in the series. There’s mountains of it, including things he said to me since then. That’s part of why it was so valuable to spend this much time with them, because they’re not going to tell me the truth. So the answers lie in the omissions, in how they change their stories, in basically what they’re hiding and then what they eventually sort of choose to reveal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the things Ron messaged me after the series dropped, he said, “You know, Cullen, I identify more with villains.” He wrote, “Something I learned a long time ago is that internet personalities are just actors on a stage. Making things larger than life makes for a better story and ultimately a more entertaining existence.” And then he goes on to say, “Getting away from the narrative that Ron is Q will be impossible, so I may as well embrace it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that it’s, like, almost an admission in and of itself. And there have been a few of those since then. You know, I think deep down he wants the credit, but he can’t take it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you hope people take away from knowing who Q was?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that when you demystify something, it takes away its power. You’re left with the baggage of the man and the motives of the man, and it just changes the equation. You know, if you talk to a Q follower, they could imagine that Q could be any number of things. It could have all of the benefits and none of the cons. And also it allowed them to imagine that there was this massive, super top secret military operation in the works. And I think that the truth matters. I think that it’s important to reveal the forces behind the operation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And I think deep down, most of those who believed in Q wanted to know the truth. Whether or not they’re willing to accept it is another story. I just present them with the information, and they’ll draw their own conclusions. I don’t expect QAnons to watch this and suddenly, be like, “Well, I don’t believe in Q anymore.” The misery of shame is too great. I think that it’s a process, and that story may continue to evolve, but I think, also, the people who’ve seen who’s behind the operation, will they be likely to believe in Q now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Have you heard from any Q followers or supporters?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13891257']I have heard from a number of folks, I mean, my DMs on Twitter have been just insane. Some of them had been from Q followers. Some of them have been from family members of Q followers. And I’ve gotten more than a dozen messages now from people who said that, for the first time in a year in some cases, they’re communicating with their family members who were believers in Q. They feel like they understand now what this thing was that they believed in. They can talk about sort of the underlying mechanics and who was behind it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mileage may vary. I don’t expect that that’s going to be the case for everybody. But anecdotally, there’s been a number of cases now where lines of communication are reopening between those who believe in Q and their family members. I think that’s really important, because I have a lot of Q followers who sometimes just call me in the middle of the night, because they were lonely or because they needed someone to talk to or they just saw me as a grounding force, and I would often tell them, “Look, you need to try to try to talk to your brother, try to find some common ground.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Where does this all go from here? What happens to Q followers and the movement?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You’ve probably seen the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/inauguration-day-live-updates/2021/01/20/958907699/the-qanon-storm-never-struck-some-supporters-are-wavering-others-steadfast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Telegram groups\u003c/a>. They’re not that gigantic, maybe 100,000 people or so. And they’re a pretty passionate community. I suspect that it will evolve. It will splinter into factions. Elements of QAnon will be absorbed into the main line of the GOP. But I think Q, as we knew it, will not remain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What is the point that you’re most hoping audiences take away from your film? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that the antiseptic of sunlight is a powerful force. And by having people sit down and actually engage with sort of the ugly reality of Q, it also gives them a language. It not only helps them understand what was really happening this whole time, but it also helps a lot of people kind of communicate with those who maybe were on the brink of buying into Q or currently believe in it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not going to be an easy path going forward coexisting with a lot of people who believe in this stuff, but I think that we’re already starting to see that the series is helping families reopen lines of communication now. To me, that’s the most positive outcome I’ve seen so far. And I hope it continues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2021 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Q%26A%3A+Documentary+Unravels+Twisted+Knots+Of+QAnon+Movement&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Cullen Hoback, who followed QAnon for three years, talks about the group's machinations and \"the antiseptic of sunlight.\" ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705019131,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":43,"wordCount":2405},"headData":{"title":"'Q: Into the Storm' Director Unravels the Twisted Knots of the QAnon Movement | KQED","description":"Cullen Hoback, who followed QAnon for three years, talks about the group's machinations and "the antiseptic of sunlight." 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I was very anxious going into that day.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hoback followed the growth of the QAnon movement for three years and unravels the twisted knots of the conspiracy theory in a six-part series on HBO. He focuses on the interpersonal drama between those behind the website 8chan (later 8kun), where an enigmatic “Q” posted false conspiracy theories that convinced millions there were nefarious Democratic actors involved in child-trafficking rings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13890913","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Spurred on by former President Donald Trump’s false allegations of widespread fraud in the 2020 election that he lost to President Biden, many Q believers were among a larger group of anti-government extremists who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 in protest of the usually ceremonial counting of Electoral College votes affirming the election result.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The drama in the film develops incrementally as the inner workings of the dark web are explained for an audience unfamiliar with this world—which includes Fredrick Brennan, who created 8chan, and Jim and Ron Watkins, who later take on ownership and administration of the site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The documentary centers on the rivalry between Brennan and the shadowy father-son duo of Jim and Ron Watkins. Though they once all worked together, Brennan turns and winds up strongly \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/technology/8chan-shooting-manifesto.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">advocating against 8chan\u003c/a>. He does not believe the Watkinses, who test the bounds of free speech on the internet, are responsible stewards of the site, particularly after episodes of murder and violence that were linked to posters on the site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Through his investigation, Hoback believes he has revealed the identity of Q. Through anonymous “drops,” Q boasted of dates—that never materialized—when the cabal would be toppled. Followers of the movement believed Q must be someone high up in Trump’s inner circle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NPR has not independently verified Q’s identity, but Hoback’s film shows strong evidence that Ron Watkins was Q. He’s not someone particularly special and didn’t have any real ties to Trump, but he is someone who had access and motive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I hope that by revealing the mechanics behind Q and the personalities behind it,” Hoback said, “that they see that it really is just this kind of absurd cast of characters that created this massive global movement and that it is not this sort of scary mystery box.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The movement grew so large that QAnon supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., and Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., who “\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/885991730/gop-candidates-open-to-qanon-conspiracy-theory-advance-in-congressional-races\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">expressed openness to Q\u003c/a>” even \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/901628541/qanon-supporter-who-made-bigoted-videos-wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre\">won\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/901628541/qanon-supporter-who-made-bigoted-videos-wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">seats\u003c/a> in Congress, where they continue to spread misinformation. Greene even \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1383106255930155008\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">reportedly\u003c/a> tried to start an “America First” caucus that would have focused on “Anglo-Saxon” values. After initially \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/groundyourstand/status/1383198051217465346\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">seeming to defend it\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.salon.com/2021/04/17/marjorie-taylor-greene-forced-to-abandon-america-first-caucus-after-republican-outrage/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">she backed off\u003c/a> after the effort drew a sharp backlash.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early in her tenure this year, she was stripped of committee assignments and yet, despite her marginalization—or perhaps because of it—she raised $3.2 million in the first three months of this year. It’s a sum that’s not just high for a member of Congress but rivals many Senate candidates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Q hasn’t posted since the election, and many of its followers have been disappointed that its supposed prophecies haven’t come true. So where does the grassroots energy behind the movement, with its distrust of experts and willingness to believe misinformation, go from here?\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/rK_Gf9H2CWI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/rK_Gf9H2CWI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Hoback talked with NPR about his investigation, what he hopes people take away from it and what it all might mean for the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following is a selection of our conversation and was edited for length and clarity:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>NPR: You were following QAnon far back when most of us—it was under our noses and just didn’t really understand it. Why did you then think that this was an important topic to cover and what drew you to it?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>HOBACK: I thought it was a sign of things to come, both in the ways Q was being managed online, removing Q or suggesting that this thing was something that was too dangerous to be allowed on Reddit. It made me wonder if it actually was going to have the opposite effect, if it was going to make it bigger. To me, it looked like something that was likely to continue to grow. And I was just drawn to the mystery as well. I felt that unmasking Q might bring the whole thing to a conclusion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I’m a political editor. Jan. 6 was one of the most harrowing moments in the film. What do you take away from the lead-up to Jan. 6? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13891014","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The day itself, I found to be rather nerve-wracking. I think anybody who had really been tracking what was going on could see that this was the moment in which those power players who had been circling around Q, whether that’s Roger Stone, [retired Maj.] Gen. [Paul] Vallely, [retired] Gen. [Michael] Flynn, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Donald Trump, all of these guys, they were all prodding in the runup to Jan. 6 in a way to make the Q narrative real. And there were these overlapping groups that were all driving toward something similar. So I think if you were tracking it closely, you probably would have thought like myself that it was going to be even worse than it was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How much fault do you think Ron and Jim deserve for that day? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well, I don’t think Jan. 6 happened because of Q, but I also don’t think it would have happened without Q.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How interconnected was Trump world and Q?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I would like for there to be more investigation into the ties between Ron and Jim and some of these power players in D.C.—Gen. Flynn and these other characters. I mean, we’ve seen some forensic evidence, and certainly after the 2016 election, it stands to reason that, given the amount of traffic 8chan was turning to Trump’s own campaign, that they would have reached out. I think the series paints a pretty good case for their ties to these D.C. operatives. But the exact nature of that relationship remains a little unclear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Who were some of the key players and how much were they feeding Q information?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the series, we show what we know, which is that Jerome Corsi, the known conspiracy theorist, had ties with all of these guys, close ties, and was one of the first to bolster Q. He says that a couple of people he holds very close to him—and we know that he has ties to Vallely—said you need to start paying attention to this. Bring it on Alex Jones’ [show]. Make it bigger.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So that would indicate that very early on, some of these ex-military networks saw the value in Q, saw that it was gaining steam and wanted to bolster it. When you talk about the information that’s being funneled, I don’t think there was really any meaningful information being funneled to Q. Q was just basically picking its favorite research out of things that the anons [anonymous posters] were collecting on 8chan and then 8kun, and then reflecting that research, or those ideas or the conspiracy theories back to the anons in the form of questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So you didn’t have to be Gen. Michael Flynn to write the Q drops. You just needed to be an incredibly engaged and active user of 8chan and very well versed in the research and analysis and all the internet data points that were being collected in order to create that narrative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The documentary builds a powerful case that Ron is Q. Ron denies this, but in the documentary, he seems to relish the idea of being suspected. After the election, he comes out of the shadows and begins posting in his own name on Twitter about the election. He even \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/trump-meets-qanon-influencers-conspiracy-theory-s-adherents-beg-dictatorship-n1252144\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cstrong>appears on OAN\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong>, the right-wing cable TV platform, to share his false conspiracies about Dominion voting machines. Along with Trump, Ron was banned from Twitter. Tell us more about why you think it’s him.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s so much more evidence I have pointing to Ron than what I was able to keep in the series. There’s mountains of it, including things he said to me since then. That’s part of why it was so valuable to spend this much time with them, because they’re not going to tell me the truth. So the answers lie in the omissions, in how they change their stories, in basically what they’re hiding and then what they eventually sort of choose to reveal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the things Ron messaged me after the series dropped, he said, “You know, Cullen, I identify more with villains.” He wrote, “Something I learned a long time ago is that internet personalities are just actors on a stage. Making things larger than life makes for a better story and ultimately a more entertaining existence.” And then he goes on to say, “Getting away from the narrative that Ron is Q will be impossible, so I may as well embrace it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that it’s, like, almost an admission in and of itself. And there have been a few of those since then. You know, I think deep down he wants the credit, but he can’t take it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you hope people take away from knowing who Q was?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that when you demystify something, it takes away its power. You’re left with the baggage of the man and the motives of the man, and it just changes the equation. You know, if you talk to a Q follower, they could imagine that Q could be any number of things. It could have all of the benefits and none of the cons. And also it allowed them to imagine that there was this massive, super top secret military operation in the works. And I think that the truth matters. I think that it’s important to reveal the forces behind the operation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And I think deep down, most of those who believed in Q wanted to know the truth. Whether or not they’re willing to accept it is another story. I just present them with the information, and they’ll draw their own conclusions. I don’t expect QAnons to watch this and suddenly, be like, “Well, I don’t believe in Q anymore.” The misery of shame is too great. I think that it’s a process, and that story may continue to evolve, but I think, also, the people who’ve seen who’s behind the operation, will they be likely to believe in Q now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Have you heard from any Q followers or supporters?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13891257","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>I have heard from a number of folks, I mean, my DMs on Twitter have been just insane. Some of them had been from Q followers. Some of them have been from family members of Q followers. And I’ve gotten more than a dozen messages now from people who said that, for the first time in a year in some cases, they’re communicating with their family members who were believers in Q. They feel like they understand now what this thing was that they believed in. They can talk about sort of the underlying mechanics and who was behind it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mileage may vary. I don’t expect that that’s going to be the case for everybody. But anecdotally, there’s been a number of cases now where lines of communication are reopening between those who believe in Q and their family members. I think that’s really important, because I have a lot of Q followers who sometimes just call me in the middle of the night, because they were lonely or because they needed someone to talk to or they just saw me as a grounding force, and I would often tell them, “Look, you need to try to try to talk to your brother, try to find some common ground.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Where does this all go from here? What happens to Q followers and the movement?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You’ve probably seen the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/inauguration-day-live-updates/2021/01/20/958907699/the-qanon-storm-never-struck-some-supporters-are-wavering-others-steadfast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Telegram groups\u003c/a>. They’re not that gigantic, maybe 100,000 people or so. And they’re a pretty passionate community. I suspect that it will evolve. It will splinter into factions. Elements of QAnon will be absorbed into the main line of the GOP. But I think Q, as we knew it, will not remain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What is the point that you’re most hoping audiences take away from your film? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that the antiseptic of sunlight is a powerful force. And by having people sit down and actually engage with sort of the ugly reality of Q, it also gives them a language. It not only helps them understand what was really happening this whole time, but it also helps a lot of people kind of communicate with those who maybe were on the brink of buying into Q or currently believe in it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not going to be an easy path going forward coexisting with a lot of people who believe in this stuff, but I think that we’re already starting to see that the series is helping families reopen lines of communication now. To me, that’s the most positive outcome I’ve seen so far. And I hope it continues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2021 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Q%26A%3A+Documentary+Unravels+Twisted+Knots+Of+QAnon+Movement&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13896197/q-into-the-storm-director-unravels-the-twisted-knots-of-the-qanon-movement","authors":["byline_arts_13896197"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_990"],"tags":["arts_13672","arts_8350","arts_2305"],"affiliates":["arts_137"],"featImg":"arts_13896198","label":"arts_137"},"arts_13895379":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13895379","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13895379","score":null,"sort":[1617921943000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bassnectar-and-san-franciscos-amorphous-music-sued-for-sexual-abuse-trafficking","title":"Bassnectar and San Francisco’s Amorphous Music Sued For Sexual Abuse, Trafficking","publishDate":1617921943,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Bassnectar and San Francisco’s Amorphous Music Sued For Sexual Abuse, Trafficking | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>On Monday, April 5, a lawsuit was brought against Bassnectar by two women who say they had sexual relationships with the Santa Cruz DJ-producer while they were still underage. The case also accuses the EDM star—real name Lorin Ashton—of human trafficking, as well as making and possessing child pornography. [aside postid='arts_13883674']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Co-defendants in the lawsuit include San Francisco record label \u003ca href=\"https://www.amorphousmusic.net/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Amorphous Music\u003c/a>, along with Bassnectar Touring, \u003ca href=\"https://electronicdivision.redlightmanagement.com/artistmanagement/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Red Light Management\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.c3presents.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">C3 Presents\u003c/a> and the \u003ca href=\"https://interactivegivingfund.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Interactive Giving Fund\u003c/a> organization. In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.laffeybuccikent.com/world-famous-dj-bassnectar-management-companies-sued-for-human-trafficking-and-sexual-abuse/?fbclid=IwAR3JexSpeAYDCAS1ZVNZSuTWsexet2Bs9GaKjz1otHxsvnoNQlVoaBjoCMo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">press release\u003c/a>, a lawyer acting on behalf of Ashton’s accusers, Rachel Ramsbottom and Alexis Bowling, said: “This lawsuit is about seeking justice not just against Bassnectar but against the corporations that cooperate in and help facilitate the abuses he is alleged to have committed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ashton’s attorney Mitchell Schuster, \u003ca href=\"https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bassnectar-lawsuit-sexual-abuse-child-pornography-allegations-1151652/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in a statement to \u003cem>Rolling Stone\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, called the accusations by Ramsbottom and Bowling “outrageous claims.” He also suggested they were “clearly designed for the media, rather than the courts.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ashton announced he was \u003ca href=\"https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bassnectar-sexual-misconduct-allegations-1024324/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">stepping back\u003c/a> from music nine months ago, after multiple allegations about his relationships with young women and girls emerged online. These allegations, along with screenshots of emails and DMs from Ashton, were primarily gathered and shared by the \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/evidenceagainstbassnectar/?hl=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">@EvidenceAgainstBassnectar\u003c/a> Instagram account that launched in June 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ramsbottom and Bowling say Ashton initiated contact with them both via Twitter, initially in the manner of a friend and mentor. Interactions, they say, later became suggestive. Both say they had sex with him while underage, and that he solicited explicit photos from them. Ramsbottom says that several years later, Ashton offered her money to stay quiet about their former relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of the details included in Ramsbottom and Bowling’s lawsuit had already been posted to the @EvidenceAgainstBassnectar Instagram page. Multiple stories shared by the account accuse Ashton of knowingly engaging in \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCAmhzFpdPJ/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">sex with minors\u003c/a>, listing “young girls” on \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCCBd6VpEmC/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">his rider\u003c/a>, targeting \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCEia1apHy6/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">underage girls\u003c/a> online, using methods of \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCHUtODJCgn/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">grooming\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCDV9JkpK-C/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">emotional manipulation\u003c/a>, trying to make girls \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CB_5_54Jo7M/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">sign NDAs\u003c/a> and encouraging fans to \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CB_7dy6JIfF/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">bully his critics\u003c/a>. One post claims that the rumors about his relationships with underage girls date all the way \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CB_1A9FJuT3/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">back to 2010\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Former Bassnectar collaborators \u003ca href=\"https://mimipagemusic.tumblr.com/post/624224339345244160/an-open-letter-to-lorin-ashton-bassnectar-from\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Mimi Page\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CB_1v3LJRvZ/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Miranda Hughes\u003c/a> have since publicly denounced Ashton. But @EvidenceAgainstBassnectar has also inspired some of his former lovers to write Tumblr essays detailing their own negative experiences with him. “\u003ca href=\"https://mynameislauren2020.tumblr.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">My Name Is Lauren\u003c/a>” accuses Ashton of committing “psychological abuse for his own perverse pleasure” and “inappropriately target[ing] young women.” And the “\u003ca href=\"https://psychicprincesscreation.tumblr.com/post/623014073571885056/some-notesedits-made-77-bassnectar-told-me\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">My EAB\u003c/a>” page claims that Ashton “DEFINITELY knows he’s doing something wrong, otherwise he wouldn’t be sharing that hush money with you, or asking you to hide and delete everything.” [aside postid='pop_61190']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ashton, who rose to fame playing sets at Burning Man and EDM parties in San Francisco, has long publicly identified as anti-sexist. (In one private\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCDHkryJwZI/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> message\u003c/a> shared by @EvidenceAgainstBassnectar, he describes himself as “an earnest feminist, and a total ally.”) In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCMigC_gkXL/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">statement shared in a private Facebook fan group\u003c/a> last June, the DJ firmly defended himself. “The rumors of sexual misconduct that are circulating about me are completely untrue,” he wrote. “I have never been involved in anything that was not absolutely, unequivocally consensual … I have always supported victims of abuse and assault. I have protected women my whole life and I would simply never harm a woman.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The Santa Cruz DJ has battled accusations of sexual misconduct and abuse since last summer, and rumors circulated long before.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705019200,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":10,"wordCount":597},"headData":{"title":"Bassnectar and San Francisco’s Amorphous Music Sued For Sexual Abuse, Trafficking | KQED","description":"The Santa Cruz DJ has battled accusations of sexual misconduct and abuse since last summer, and rumors circulated long before.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Bassnectar and San Francisco’s Amorphous Music Sued For Sexual Abuse, Trafficking","datePublished":"2021-04-08T22:45:43.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-12T00:26:40.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/arts/13895379/bassnectar-and-san-franciscos-amorphous-music-sued-for-sexual-abuse-trafficking","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>On Monday, April 5, a lawsuit was brought against Bassnectar by two women who say they had sexual relationships with the Santa Cruz DJ-producer while they were still underage. The case also accuses the EDM star—real name Lorin Ashton—of human trafficking, as well as making and possessing child pornography. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13883674","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Co-defendants in the lawsuit include San Francisco record label \u003ca href=\"https://www.amorphousmusic.net/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Amorphous Music\u003c/a>, along with Bassnectar Touring, \u003ca href=\"https://electronicdivision.redlightmanagement.com/artistmanagement/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Red Light Management\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.c3presents.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">C3 Presents\u003c/a> and the \u003ca href=\"https://interactivegivingfund.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Interactive Giving Fund\u003c/a> organization. In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.laffeybuccikent.com/world-famous-dj-bassnectar-management-companies-sued-for-human-trafficking-and-sexual-abuse/?fbclid=IwAR3JexSpeAYDCAS1ZVNZSuTWsexet2Bs9GaKjz1otHxsvnoNQlVoaBjoCMo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">press release\u003c/a>, a lawyer acting on behalf of Ashton’s accusers, Rachel Ramsbottom and Alexis Bowling, said: “This lawsuit is about seeking justice not just against Bassnectar but against the corporations that cooperate in and help facilitate the abuses he is alleged to have committed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ashton’s attorney Mitchell Schuster, \u003ca href=\"https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bassnectar-lawsuit-sexual-abuse-child-pornography-allegations-1151652/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in a statement to \u003cem>Rolling Stone\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, called the accusations by Ramsbottom and Bowling “outrageous claims.” He also suggested they were “clearly designed for the media, rather than the courts.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ashton announced he was \u003ca href=\"https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bassnectar-sexual-misconduct-allegations-1024324/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">stepping back\u003c/a> from music nine months ago, after multiple allegations about his relationships with young women and girls emerged online. These allegations, along with screenshots of emails and DMs from Ashton, were primarily gathered and shared by the \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/evidenceagainstbassnectar/?hl=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">@EvidenceAgainstBassnectar\u003c/a> Instagram account that launched in June 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ramsbottom and Bowling say Ashton initiated contact with them both via Twitter, initially in the manner of a friend and mentor. Interactions, they say, later became suggestive. Both say they had sex with him while underage, and that he solicited explicit photos from them. Ramsbottom says that several years later, Ashton offered her money to stay quiet about their former relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of the details included in Ramsbottom and Bowling’s lawsuit had already been posted to the @EvidenceAgainstBassnectar Instagram page. Multiple stories shared by the account accuse Ashton of knowingly engaging in \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCAmhzFpdPJ/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">sex with minors\u003c/a>, listing “young girls” on \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCCBd6VpEmC/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">his rider\u003c/a>, targeting \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCEia1apHy6/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">underage girls\u003c/a> online, using methods of \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCHUtODJCgn/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">grooming\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCDV9JkpK-C/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">emotional manipulation\u003c/a>, trying to make girls \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CB_5_54Jo7M/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">sign NDAs\u003c/a> and encouraging fans to \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CB_7dy6JIfF/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">bully his critics\u003c/a>. One post claims that the rumors about his relationships with underage girls date all the way \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CB_1A9FJuT3/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">back to 2010\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Former Bassnectar collaborators \u003ca href=\"https://mimipagemusic.tumblr.com/post/624224339345244160/an-open-letter-to-lorin-ashton-bassnectar-from\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Mimi Page\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CB_1v3LJRvZ/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Miranda Hughes\u003c/a> have since publicly denounced Ashton. But @EvidenceAgainstBassnectar has also inspired some of his former lovers to write Tumblr essays detailing their own negative experiences with him. “\u003ca href=\"https://mynameislauren2020.tumblr.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">My Name Is Lauren\u003c/a>” accuses Ashton of committing “psychological abuse for his own perverse pleasure” and “inappropriately target[ing] young women.” And the “\u003ca href=\"https://psychicprincesscreation.tumblr.com/post/623014073571885056/some-notesedits-made-77-bassnectar-told-me\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">My EAB\u003c/a>” page claims that Ashton “DEFINITELY knows he’s doing something wrong, otherwise he wouldn’t be sharing that hush money with you, or asking you to hide and delete everything.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"pop_61190","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ashton, who rose to fame playing sets at Burning Man and EDM parties in San Francisco, has long publicly identified as anti-sexist. (In one private\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCDHkryJwZI/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> message\u003c/a> shared by @EvidenceAgainstBassnectar, he describes himself as “an earnest feminist, and a total ally.”) In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CCMigC_gkXL/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">statement shared in a private Facebook fan group\u003c/a> last June, the DJ firmly defended himself. “The rumors of sexual misconduct that are circulating about me are completely untrue,” he wrote. “I have never been involved in anything that was not absolutely, unequivocally consensual … I have always supported victims of abuse and assault. I have protected women my whole life and I would simply never harm a woman.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13895379/bassnectar-and-san-franciscos-amorphous-music-sued-for-sexual-abuse-trafficking","authors":["11242"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_69","arts_235"],"tags":["arts_1501","arts_10278","arts_2098","arts_2305","arts_1028"],"featImg":"arts_13895399","label":"arts"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. Together in Possible, Hoffman and Finger lead enlightening discussions about building a brighter collective future. The show features interviews with visionary guests like Trevor Noah, Sam Altman and Janette Sadik-Khan. Possible paints an optimistic portrait of the world we can create through science, policy, business, art and our shared humanity. It asks: What if everything goes right for once? 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