Underground Rap, Playa Sh*t, Political Joints: Equipto has Bars
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Legendary rapper San Quinn even credits Equipto for teaching him how to properly count rap bars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His activism is also well-documented. In 2015, \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/equipto415/videos/1033058506733989/\">he confronted former San Francisco Mayor, the late Ed Lee\u003c/a>, about his role in gentrification. The next year, Equipto was part of the Frisco 5, a group that led a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/11630270/how-equiptos-hip-hop-helped-reshape-bay-area-activism\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">hunger strike\u003c/a> in order to bring further attention to the issues within the San Francisco Police Department and hold them accountable for their actions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nowadays he’s still making music and he’s just as outspoken about politics, locally and around world, but a few things have changed. For starters: he’s a father.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13950876\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13950876\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-800x560.png\" alt=\"A side profile photo of San Francisco hip-hop artist and activist, Equipto. \" width=\"800\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-800x560.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-1020x715.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-160x112.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-768x538.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-1536x1076.png 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-2048x1435.png 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-1920x1345.png 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A side profile photo of San Francisco hip-hop artist and activist, Equipto. \u003ccite>(Doggtown Dro)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Since the birth of his daughter, Equipto has relocated to New Mexico. He says he’s doing his best to build a new community, while still keeping a finger on the pulse of what’s happening in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His work in the city shows he’s tapped in with the next generation of artists. He’s worked with \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/baghead.fng/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Baghead\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/professagabel/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Professa Gabel\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/rich_iyala/?hl=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rich Iyala\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/monk_hts/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Monk HTS\u003c/a>, as well as other artists under the label \u003ca href=\"https://solidarityrecords415.bandcamp.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Solidarity Records\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the cusp of his 50th birthday (which he’s set to celebrate on March 22nd with a live show at San Francisco’s Neck of The Woods), we discuss his various roles. He’s a mentor, father, artist, and activist who is trying to make sense of all the changes happening to his hometown, while simultaneously developing a new community in a new state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC9961262342&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, host: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Rightnowish, I’m your host Pendarvis Harshaw. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On today’s show, we’re talking to someone who is a pillar of San Francisco’s hip-hop community and equally well-known for his political activism in the city, Equipto.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Famously of the rap group Bored Stiff, Equipto has recorded music for over 30 years. He was good friends with the late Mac Dre, and rocked stages with the late Baba Zumbi of Zion-I. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Nowadays, Equipto still makes music and he tours. He also plays a big role in mentoring the next generation of artists from the Bay. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When Equipto’s not making music, he’s making movements. Over the years his passion for change has been put on full display. Most notably in 2015 when he confronted the late San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee about his role in gentrification. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Equipto was also part of the Frisco Five, who in the spring of 2016 held a 17-day hunger strike against police brutality. The protest played a big part in the eventual firing of former San Francisco Police Chief Greg Suhr.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I recently talked to Equipto via video chat from his current home in New Mexico. He talked about being a proud Frisco representative, of Colombian and Japanese descent, who juggles the roles of musician, activist, mentor, and one he’s growing into– maybe his best role yet– that of being a father.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s right after this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What are some of your favorite things about fatherhood? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto, guest:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It’s a trip, the responsibility, I guess. I love it. You know, like life is so precious. Being a father helped me realize that life is so much more than what I’ve been through in a sense. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I think like just being able to understand like, wow, cause she’s like my twin. So I look at her and it’s like looking at myself and my baby pictures… and she’s about to be one year old and for me it’s just… it’s a whole new awakening of life. I never thought I would have a child, you know, until I fell in love and thought about having a child.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I love, you know, taking her to the park. I love getting her diapers. I love doing the dishes while she sleeps. I love you know, I love the whole scheduling and everything with being a father. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Being responsible to others. That does bring out the best in us. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You’ve relocated as a part of parenthood. You’re now living in New Mexico, you’re co-parenting. You’re in a new community. I have relocated. I’m in Sacramento. Co-parenting. A lot of parallels. I’m wondering for you, what’s the hardest part of learning a new community, especially somebody who’s so ingrained in San Francisco?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m such a city boy, man, you know. And I love nature. I love nature. I love the mountains, I love getting away. But living here \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> it’s… that’s another story. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The mother of my child. She’s a muralist, she does jewelry. She’s an emcee. So she has a community of folks that I’ve been able to somewhat, you know, build with in certain areas and whatnot. But to me, it’s like a hermit life. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The adjustment is kind of like, I’m not really that social, you know, when it comes to meeting too many people out here. Like, I stick to the family. You know, I miss home, obviously, sometimes you have to cross certain paths in order to get to where you’re going, know what I mean? And I think I believe this is just an area I’m in for the time being. Everything will be beautiful as long as my daughter knows her roots and knows her family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Time away, I know that it can cause you to look at home differently. And I’m wondering how often do you come back home? And when you do come back to the city, do you look at it differently? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Oh, my God. Like they say, ‘You’ve got to. You’ve got to love it to hate it.’ Because I love it, but I hate that mother fucka!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The traffic, the changes, it’s like, oh my God. Valencia changes every goddamn month or something, you know, bike lane, this lane, you can’t turn down there, you know, new businesses that are just like not community-based. It’s tough man. The disparity you know, I mean, you see houseless folks, and then you see the Lamborghini rolling right next to it. You know what I mean? And with San Francisco particular, you know everything, Oakland and San Jose, they’re all becoming the same thing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But San Francisco in particular just has this, you know, main vein of capitalism where it’s a metropolitan city so it always attracts and it gives this new life. And in order for that to happen, like they just had the president and everything, in order for that to happen it has to be a clean sweep, right. They got to make the city look pretty. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There’s a lot of identity politics. You know, as we deal with in the Bay Area, period. And seeing that take effect is hard. But then you see the resistance still there. You see the murals on the wall. You see the protests, you see the people uprising. And that shit touches my heart when I see that online and I’m not home. Seeing my folks, you know, going to jail, seeing folks shut down the bridge, shut down the ships, you know, all that is beautiful. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> That’s similar, man! Where I see the changes. It does mess my head up where I’m like, ‘This block wasn’t a one way back in the day, like when did they change that?’ You know? But then it’s the people, right? It’s the folks that you’ve known. You’ve seen them grow. You’ve seen them invest in their craft and flourish. And you’re like, Yes, this is why I come back home. This is why home is home, right? And you specifically, You’ve been working with younger musicians, folks from Family Not A Group, The Watershed. I’m like, what is your goal in working with this next generation of artists from the Bay? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Just being consistent, like being involved in things and sometimes I don’t want to say people fall off, but you know, some people of your age, you know, people 49 aint still rapping that I was rappin’ with. So you kind of do it with who’s doing it, sometimes. I like cross-generational music. I like being learning from the old folks, diggin’ on what they doin.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like and for them to have like. Any like, you know, reverence or looking at me a certain way, like ‘ey man, wassup? You’re Equipto!’ I take advantage of that in a good way. Okay, let me show you where I’ve been through. My experience maybe can prevent you from what I went through.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it’s always kind of been like. I mean, like, I known Quinn since he was 11. I was probably like 15 or 16 or something, \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Quinn, San Quinn. Yeah. On a recent podcast, he mentioned that you taught him how to write bars, like how to structure his raps. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Quinn is a born rapper, there’s not too many of those, you know, like a born rapper, like in that scene. I met him at 11 years old, you know, I mean, like and I knew it even me being like 15, like, he was so dope just naturally. But some take years and years and years to accumulate the skills. It’s just like a natural instinct impulse for some people. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it’s been always been an honor to, like, see the younger generation flourish and just be a part of that in a sense. All them folks doing their thing in San Francisco is incredible, you know what I mean, I love it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> This idea of mentorship and looking out for the next generation or even people who are younger than you just by a couple of years. Who were the mentors who taught you? And what are the important things that they taught you? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> My father is very musical. My father was just a jazz promoter, radio disc jockey for KPFA. You know, early eighties type of thing. And I would be with him backstage, incredible artists. You know, Billy Harper, Sun Ra, Tito Puente. So it was like I grew up under this culture that he introduced me to, Black culture, and always taught me kind of like to understand that and to respect that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My mother always would teach me to follow my dreams and to always consider other people and what they’re going through. I’d be a little kid walking by a houseless folks on the street. And she said she was always like, “never look down on folks like that. You never know what they going through. They have dreams, too.” And it always stuck with me about… that they had dreams too. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It brought me to being kind of like a caring person, I guess. You know what I mean? Like, and it’s not like, “Oh, I’m an angel” or anything like that. Never, ever, ever get that twisted, but as far as like, when it comes to the arts and craft, if you’re in position to do something, you do it. Like my mother always taught me, if you have a sandwich and you give the other half of the sandwich to someone if they’re hungry, always. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m not too much of a social person, but when I have homies over, you know what I’m saying, and folks, I love the atmosphere, I love the environment, I love being around ‘em, you know, and I get a lot of energy from that, you know. So I think that’s part of it as well. I love being, ya know, around a lot of folks that are similar minded, you know, and when it comes to the craft. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Love is at the heart of a lot of what you’re saying and a lot of the work that you do… The love, the demands for justice, working with your mother on the frontlines. Nearly a decade ago, you two were part of the Frisco Five, a hunger strike to hold police accountable, in the most succinct way to say it… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> A lot of people see me and they’ll be like, ‘Oh, he’s so angry all the time. He’s protesting, he’s yelling.’ We fight for love at the end of the day. That’s something that we get misconstrued and people don’t understand when, you know, you’re deprived of something it becomes a demand. And that’s language, you hear “demands” like, why are they demanding? Because we’re deprived of something, you know, to me, like and when you’re deprived of something, you’re not going to be the most, you know, peaceful person, quote unquote. And but when you look where the root comes from is because you’re separating people from their love, from their community, from their family, you know what I mean, like, and so at the end of the day, all we’re fighting for, when you see protests and demonstrations and folks organizing for a better society, yeah, it’s all for the love.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There was a lot of things that came from that. But one of the things that stood out to me was a \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">conversation that I then had with an artist by the name of Baghead and Jules\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and talking to them about how seeing your work impacted them. And I’m just seeing this like trickle down, you know, it’s passing of the baton. And so I’m like, from your perspective, what’s it like for you to see your mentorship show up in the arts and politics? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Man, that’s everything I ask for when it comes to this, you know, I’m saying the music, the craft. If… if people could mobilize from this, you know, get inspired from not just my music, my actions, you know, and understand like, wow, you actually can make a difference. People-power can make a difference. Organizing is actually cool! You don’t just have to perform at a rally, you could actually help organize a rally!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Those types of things, like selflessness in a sense. You know, like the individualism is also very attached to, you know, performance and entertainment and, you know, hip-hop and what not.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You have a broken heart, you listen to music that helps heal you. And so for me to be an artist, you want to create that feeling, to create that healing. You want someone to feel healed from it or motivated, inspired. And I think I never truly felt that until I really got active with the community, like started organizing and doing things in the front lines with folks and having comrades. A\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">nd I think that’s what happened, students saw that like, ‘Oh, that’s Equipto that did “Jungle” with Nickatina and 4AM Bay Bridge Music and he knew Mac Dre’, you know how they think, you feel me? And you use that, you use that just like the Panthers used you know, the leather jackets and the woop-wah you got to use that. I was like, “Yes, come on, fuck with this.” And it’s beautiful, it’s like the most fulfilling feeling that I feel like, you know what I’m saying, it’s like, was like, okay, damn, it does work. People are motivated, people are inspired. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I saw you recently performing in Santa Rosa with Monk, with Professor Gable, with Rich Ayala and the thing that I took in was that you all were having fun! It was a joyous occasion, you know, like people, there was bars. It was, you know, real rap and you know, like, it was high energy and people were having fun. And from your perspective, going on that tour with that group of young folks, what do you think that tour did for them? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think it just taught them like responsibility, you know, that type of thing. Because when you’re on tour, you know, you got to check in hotel, got to, you know, you got to be on time to the band, you got to make the next venue, you got to soundcheck, you got to have merch booth set up. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not like we have a machine in the sense of people that are not involved, right? We’re hands on ourselves. I’m there at my merch booth, you know, I’m gonna take my box to the woop-wah. I’ma talk to the sound manager, shake hands, I’m gonna talk to the venue owner, make sure I have a relationship so I could come back if everything goes good. You know what I mean? Like teaching them those type of, you know, steps, I guess. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They’re all going to, like, go further, like, you know bigger venues in the sense. They’re going to go, you know, to more organized promoters. I’ve become, in a sense, this bridge to get, you know, to the next level.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You’ve worked with people clear across the board. I’m just wondering, how do you navigate working with people of so many different backgrounds? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Think just being a student of the game and being a student in hip hop, you know. I love it. I love it. Like, I’m just one of those dudes that came up loving Mac Dre, loving Tribe Called Quest, loving E40, loving Black Sheep, you know, loving Too-Short, loving De La Soul. And growing up in the bay, it’s kind of like it’s inevitable to like, not be overwhelmed by this, you know, mob sound or overwhelmed like we came up Backpack Era.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So we were like, you know, kind of like, oh, who are these kids rapping, you know, and cyphers, like, you know what I mean? Like, we were cyphering before it was cool to cypher. So it was like my rap fit in with a… with a… you know, a Keak verse or something. You know, my rap could fit in with a C-Bo verse here and there, you know what I mean? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like, I was honored to be a part of that type of ya know diversity in a sense. You know what I mean? Like to where I could do it because I know a lot of people can’t… It’s just part of, I think delivery, cadence, and life experience\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Exactly, life experience and being a full human and knowing that at- sometimes I relate to C-Bo and other times I relate to this artist, you know? I love it that you don’t, there’s no separation, backpack, gangsta, political, playa, whatever. It’s Bay Area culture all in one. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Definitely. It’s Definitely Bay Area \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s the difference for you between fatherhood and mentorship, aside from the obvious blood relation? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Fatherhood, I’ll never, I don’t care how old she is, whatever. I’ll never leave her side. Other folks like, hey, things might happen, friendships, relationships, whatever it is, you know,like. Yeah you know, to me, it’s like I can never turn my back on my child, my daughter.I don’t turn back on regular folks, you know what I’m saying Some things might cross the line, like, she might grow up. I know how it is. I’m a son. I, you know, crossed the line many times with my parents, you know, many times where I would’ve been like, God damn how did you do that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You’re juggling a lot, clearly, but still finding time to work. I’ve heard that you’re working on a film coming out, so can you tell me a little bit about that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The film is a documentary of Bored Stiff. Bored Stiff is a hip hop group out of San Francisco. Early 90s that we, you know, kind of that I’m a part of; a community of folks, 12 members. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We did a lot you know what I mean like on the underground scene during the you know the like Living Legends era, Mystik Journeymen, uh, Hieroglyphics, Mixed Practice, Homeliss Derilex, so many dope underground groups of that era. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We just… we thought we have so much dope footage from the nineties that people were like tripping off of, like. Shout out to Spie and other folks that that came with the footage that we have to come with a documentary and there’s a story to it. It’s a deep story. You know, it’s not just about the group. It’s kinda like about San Francisco as well during a certain era and growing up in that era and kind of products of that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Looking forward to that. Shout out to Spie. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Alright, my guy. Appreciate it, enjoy the time with the little one. Peace.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Big thank you to Equipto for chopping it up with me. This conversation was long overdue, looking forward to seeing and hearing more of your work. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music – Keep it Street, The Jacka and Berner with Equipto]\u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I’m on the grind daily\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trafficking through I-80\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m just a playa, these hoes don’t try to drive crazy\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pay me no attention unless you gotta choose a fee\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But keep in mind there’s only so much you can do for me\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And listeners, to keep up with Equipto, check him out on Twitter at his name– (E-Q-U-I-P-T-O) and on Instagram @Equipto_415. 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Legendary rapper San Quinn even credits Equipto for teaching him how to properly count rap bars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His activism is also well-documented. In 2015, \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/equipto415/videos/1033058506733989/\">he confronted former San Francisco Mayor, the late Ed Lee\u003c/a>, about his role in gentrification. The next year, Equipto was part of the Frisco 5, a group that led a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/11630270/how-equiptos-hip-hop-helped-reshape-bay-area-activism\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">hunger strike\u003c/a> in order to bring further attention to the issues within the San Francisco Police Department and hold them accountable for their actions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nowadays he’s still making music and he’s just as outspoken about politics, locally and around world, but a few things have changed. For starters: he’s a father.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13950876\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13950876\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-800x560.png\" alt=\"A side profile photo of San Francisco hip-hop artist and activist, Equipto. \" width=\"800\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-800x560.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-1020x715.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-160x112.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-768x538.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-1536x1076.png 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-2048x1435.png 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-23-at-5.54.43-PM-1920x1345.png 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A side profile photo of San Francisco hip-hop artist and activist, Equipto. \u003ccite>(Doggtown Dro)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Since the birth of his daughter, Equipto has relocated to New Mexico. He says he’s doing his best to build a new community, while still keeping a finger on the pulse of what’s happening in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His work in the city shows he’s tapped in with the next generation of artists. He’s worked with \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/baghead.fng/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Baghead\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/professagabel/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Professa Gabel\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/rich_iyala/?hl=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rich Iyala\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/monk_hts/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Monk HTS\u003c/a>, as well as other artists under the label \u003ca href=\"https://solidarityrecords415.bandcamp.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Solidarity Records\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the cusp of his 50th birthday (which he’s set to celebrate on March 22nd with a live show at San Francisco’s Neck of The Woods), we discuss his various roles. He’s a mentor, father, artist, and activist who is trying to make sense of all the changes happening to his hometown, while simultaneously developing a new community in a new state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC9961262342&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw, host: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Rightnowish, I’m your host Pendarvis Harshaw. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On today’s show, we’re talking to someone who is a pillar of San Francisco’s hip-hop community and equally well-known for his political activism in the city, Equipto.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Famously of the rap group Bored Stiff, Equipto has recorded music for over 30 years. He was good friends with the late Mac Dre, and rocked stages with the late Baba Zumbi of Zion-I. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Nowadays, Equipto still makes music and he tours. He also plays a big role in mentoring the next generation of artists from the Bay. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When Equipto’s not making music, he’s making movements. Over the years his passion for change has been put on full display. Most notably in 2015 when he confronted the late San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee about his role in gentrification. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Equipto was also part of the Frisco Five, who in the spring of 2016 held a 17-day hunger strike against police brutality. The protest played a big part in the eventual firing of former San Francisco Police Chief Greg Suhr.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I recently talked to Equipto via video chat from his current home in New Mexico. He talked about being a proud Frisco representative, of Colombian and Japanese descent, who juggles the roles of musician, activist, mentor, and one he’s growing into– maybe his best role yet– that of being a father.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s right after this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What are some of your favorite things about fatherhood? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto, guest:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It’s a trip, the responsibility, I guess. I love it. You know, like life is so precious. Being a father helped me realize that life is so much more than what I’ve been through in a sense. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I think like just being able to understand like, wow, cause she’s like my twin. So I look at her and it’s like looking at myself and my baby pictures… and she’s about to be one year old and for me it’s just… it’s a whole new awakening of life. I never thought I would have a child, you know, until I fell in love and thought about having a child.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I love, you know, taking her to the park. I love getting her diapers. I love doing the dishes while she sleeps. I love you know, I love the whole scheduling and everything with being a father. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Being responsible to others. That does bring out the best in us. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You’ve relocated as a part of parenthood. You’re now living in New Mexico, you’re co-parenting. You’re in a new community. I have relocated. I’m in Sacramento. Co-parenting. A lot of parallels. I’m wondering for you, what’s the hardest part of learning a new community, especially somebody who’s so ingrained in San Francisco?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m such a city boy, man, you know. And I love nature. I love nature. I love the mountains, I love getting away. But living here \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> it’s… that’s another story. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The mother of my child. She’s a muralist, she does jewelry. She’s an emcee. So she has a community of folks that I’ve been able to somewhat, you know, build with in certain areas and whatnot. But to me, it’s like a hermit life. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The adjustment is kind of like, I’m not really that social, you know, when it comes to meeting too many people out here. Like, I stick to the family. You know, I miss home, obviously, sometimes you have to cross certain paths in order to get to where you’re going, know what I mean? And I think I believe this is just an area I’m in for the time being. Everything will be beautiful as long as my daughter knows her roots and knows her family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Time away, I know that it can cause you to look at home differently. And I’m wondering how often do you come back home? And when you do come back to the city, do you look at it differently? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Oh, my God. Like they say, ‘You’ve got to. You’ve got to love it to hate it.’ Because I love it, but I hate that mother fucka!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The traffic, the changes, it’s like, oh my God. Valencia changes every goddamn month or something, you know, bike lane, this lane, you can’t turn down there, you know, new businesses that are just like not community-based. It’s tough man. The disparity you know, I mean, you see houseless folks, and then you see the Lamborghini rolling right next to it. You know what I mean? And with San Francisco particular, you know everything, Oakland and San Jose, they’re all becoming the same thing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But San Francisco in particular just has this, you know, main vein of capitalism where it’s a metropolitan city so it always attracts and it gives this new life. And in order for that to happen, like they just had the president and everything, in order for that to happen it has to be a clean sweep, right. They got to make the city look pretty. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There’s a lot of identity politics. You know, as we deal with in the Bay Area, period. And seeing that take effect is hard. But then you see the resistance still there. You see the murals on the wall. You see the protests, you see the people uprising. And that shit touches my heart when I see that online and I’m not home. Seeing my folks, you know, going to jail, seeing folks shut down the bridge, shut down the ships, you know, all that is beautiful. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> That’s similar, man! Where I see the changes. It does mess my head up where I’m like, ‘This block wasn’t a one way back in the day, like when did they change that?’ You know? But then it’s the people, right? It’s the folks that you’ve known. You’ve seen them grow. You’ve seen them invest in their craft and flourish. And you’re like, Yes, this is why I come back home. This is why home is home, right? And you specifically, You’ve been working with younger musicians, folks from Family Not A Group, The Watershed. I’m like, what is your goal in working with this next generation of artists from the Bay? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Just being consistent, like being involved in things and sometimes I don’t want to say people fall off, but you know, some people of your age, you know, people 49 aint still rapping that I was rappin’ with. So you kind of do it with who’s doing it, sometimes. I like cross-generational music. I like being learning from the old folks, diggin’ on what they doin.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like and for them to have like. Any like, you know, reverence or looking at me a certain way, like ‘ey man, wassup? You’re Equipto!’ I take advantage of that in a good way. Okay, let me show you where I’ve been through. My experience maybe can prevent you from what I went through.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it’s always kind of been like. I mean, like, I known Quinn since he was 11. I was probably like 15 or 16 or something, \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Quinn, San Quinn. Yeah. On a recent podcast, he mentioned that you taught him how to write bars, like how to structure his raps. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Quinn is a born rapper, there’s not too many of those, you know, like a born rapper, like in that scene. I met him at 11 years old, you know, I mean, like and I knew it even me being like 15, like, he was so dope just naturally. But some take years and years and years to accumulate the skills. It’s just like a natural instinct impulse for some people. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it’s been always been an honor to, like, see the younger generation flourish and just be a part of that in a sense. All them folks doing their thing in San Francisco is incredible, you know what I mean, I love it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> This idea of mentorship and looking out for the next generation or even people who are younger than you just by a couple of years. Who were the mentors who taught you? And what are the important things that they taught you? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> My father is very musical. My father was just a jazz promoter, radio disc jockey for KPFA. You know, early eighties type of thing. And I would be with him backstage, incredible artists. You know, Billy Harper, Sun Ra, Tito Puente. So it was like I grew up under this culture that he introduced me to, Black culture, and always taught me kind of like to understand that and to respect that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My mother always would teach me to follow my dreams and to always consider other people and what they’re going through. I’d be a little kid walking by a houseless folks on the street. And she said she was always like, “never look down on folks like that. You never know what they going through. They have dreams, too.” And it always stuck with me about… that they had dreams too. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It brought me to being kind of like a caring person, I guess. You know what I mean? Like, and it’s not like, “Oh, I’m an angel” or anything like that. Never, ever, ever get that twisted, but as far as like, when it comes to the arts and craft, if you’re in position to do something, you do it. Like my mother always taught me, if you have a sandwich and you give the other half of the sandwich to someone if they’re hungry, always. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m not too much of a social person, but when I have homies over, you know what I’m saying, and folks, I love the atmosphere, I love the environment, I love being around ‘em, you know, and I get a lot of energy from that, you know. So I think that’s part of it as well. I love being, ya know, around a lot of folks that are similar minded, you know, and when it comes to the craft. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Love is at the heart of a lot of what you’re saying and a lot of the work that you do… The love, the demands for justice, working with your mother on the frontlines. Nearly a decade ago, you two were part of the Frisco Five, a hunger strike to hold police accountable, in the most succinct way to say it… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> A lot of people see me and they’ll be like, ‘Oh, he’s so angry all the time. He’s protesting, he’s yelling.’ We fight for love at the end of the day. That’s something that we get misconstrued and people don’t understand when, you know, you’re deprived of something it becomes a demand. And that’s language, you hear “demands” like, why are they demanding? Because we’re deprived of something, you know, to me, like and when you’re deprived of something, you’re not going to be the most, you know, peaceful person, quote unquote. And but when you look where the root comes from is because you’re separating people from their love, from their community, from their family, you know what I mean, like, and so at the end of the day, all we’re fighting for, when you see protests and demonstrations and folks organizing for a better society, yeah, it’s all for the love.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There was a lot of things that came from that. But one of the things that stood out to me was a \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">conversation that I then had with an artist by the name of Baghead and Jules\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and talking to them about how seeing your work impacted them. And I’m just seeing this like trickle down, you know, it’s passing of the baton. And so I’m like, from your perspective, what’s it like for you to see your mentorship show up in the arts and politics? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Man, that’s everything I ask for when it comes to this, you know, I’m saying the music, the craft. If… if people could mobilize from this, you know, get inspired from not just my music, my actions, you know, and understand like, wow, you actually can make a difference. People-power can make a difference. Organizing is actually cool! You don’t just have to perform at a rally, you could actually help organize a rally!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Those types of things, like selflessness in a sense. You know, like the individualism is also very attached to, you know, performance and entertainment and, you know, hip-hop and what not.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You have a broken heart, you listen to music that helps heal you. And so for me to be an artist, you want to create that feeling, to create that healing. You want someone to feel healed from it or motivated, inspired. And I think I never truly felt that until I really got active with the community, like started organizing and doing things in the front lines with folks and having comrades. A\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">nd I think that’s what happened, students saw that like, ‘Oh, that’s Equipto that did “Jungle” with Nickatina and 4AM Bay Bridge Music and he knew Mac Dre’, you know how they think, you feel me? And you use that, you use that just like the Panthers used you know, the leather jackets and the woop-wah you got to use that. I was like, “Yes, come on, fuck with this.” And it’s beautiful, it’s like the most fulfilling feeling that I feel like, you know what I’m saying, it’s like, was like, okay, damn, it does work. People are motivated, people are inspired. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I saw you recently performing in Santa Rosa with Monk, with Professor Gable, with Rich Ayala and the thing that I took in was that you all were having fun! It was a joyous occasion, you know, like people, there was bars. It was, you know, real rap and you know, like, it was high energy and people were having fun. And from your perspective, going on that tour with that group of young folks, what do you think that tour did for them? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think it just taught them like responsibility, you know, that type of thing. Because when you’re on tour, you know, you got to check in hotel, got to, you know, you got to be on time to the band, you got to make the next venue, you got to soundcheck, you got to have merch booth set up. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not like we have a machine in the sense of people that are not involved, right? We’re hands on ourselves. I’m there at my merch booth, you know, I’m gonna take my box to the woop-wah. I’ma talk to the sound manager, shake hands, I’m gonna talk to the venue owner, make sure I have a relationship so I could come back if everything goes good. You know what I mean? Like teaching them those type of, you know, steps, I guess. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They’re all going to, like, go further, like, you know bigger venues in the sense. They’re going to go, you know, to more organized promoters. I’ve become, in a sense, this bridge to get, you know, to the next level.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You’ve worked with people clear across the board. I’m just wondering, how do you navigate working with people of so many different backgrounds? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Think just being a student of the game and being a student in hip hop, you know. I love it. I love it. Like, I’m just one of those dudes that came up loving Mac Dre, loving Tribe Called Quest, loving E40, loving Black Sheep, you know, loving Too-Short, loving De La Soul. And growing up in the bay, it’s kind of like it’s inevitable to like, not be overwhelmed by this, you know, mob sound or overwhelmed like we came up Backpack Era.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So we were like, you know, kind of like, oh, who are these kids rapping, you know, and cyphers, like, you know what I mean? Like, we were cyphering before it was cool to cypher. So it was like my rap fit in with a… with a… you know, a Keak verse or something. You know, my rap could fit in with a C-Bo verse here and there, you know what I mean? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like, I was honored to be a part of that type of ya know diversity in a sense. You know what I mean? Like to where I could do it because I know a lot of people can’t… It’s just part of, I think delivery, cadence, and life experience\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Exactly, life experience and being a full human and knowing that at- sometimes I relate to C-Bo and other times I relate to this artist, you know? I love it that you don’t, there’s no separation, backpack, gangsta, political, playa, whatever. It’s Bay Area culture all in one. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Definitely. It’s Definitely Bay Area \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s the difference for you between fatherhood and mentorship, aside from the obvious blood relation? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Fatherhood, I’ll never, I don’t care how old she is, whatever. I’ll never leave her side. Other folks like, hey, things might happen, friendships, relationships, whatever it is, you know,like. Yeah you know, to me, it’s like I can never turn my back on my child, my daughter.I don’t turn back on regular folks, you know what I’m saying Some things might cross the line, like, she might grow up. I know how it is. I’m a son. I, you know, crossed the line many times with my parents, you know, many times where I would’ve been like, God damn how did you do that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You’re juggling a lot, clearly, but still finding time to work. I’ve heard that you’re working on a film coming out, so can you tell me a little bit about that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The film is a documentary of Bored Stiff. Bored Stiff is a hip hop group out of San Francisco. Early 90s that we, you know, kind of that I’m a part of; a community of folks, 12 members. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Equipto: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We did a lot you know what I mean like on the underground scene during the you know the like Living Legends era, Mystik Journeymen, uh, Hieroglyphics, Mixed Practice, Homeliss Derilex, so many dope underground groups of that era. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We just… we thought we have so much dope footage from the nineties that people were like tripping off of, like. Shout out to Spie and other folks that that came with the footage that we have to come with a documentary and there’s a story to it. It’s a deep story. You know, it’s not just about the group. It’s kinda like about San Francisco as well during a certain era and growing up in that era and kind of products of that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Looking forward to that. Shout out to Spie. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Alright, my guy. Appreciate it, enjoy the time with the little one. Peace.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Big thank you to Equipto for chopping it up with me. This conversation was long overdue, looking forward to seeing and hearing more of your work. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music – Keep it Street, The Jacka and Berner with Equipto]\u003c/span>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I’m on the grind daily\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trafficking through I-80\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m just a playa, these hoes don’t try to drive crazy\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pay me no attention unless you gotta choose a fee\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But keep in mind there’s only so much you can do for me\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And listeners, to keep up with Equipto, check him out on Twitter at his name– (E-Q-U-I-P-T-O) and on Instagram @Equipto_415. 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Maybe there’s footage of an embarrassing singing performance or video of an entertaining dance rendition. Either way, I’m sure it’s a worthwhile tale where lessons were learned. And that’s because music, one of the highest forms of art, is also one of the greatest teaching tools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My daughter and I discuss music from the time we wake up to the time we go to sleep, that’s because I’m always playing music. I’m raising her that way, largely because that’s how I grew up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mother’s love for funk and R&B, as well as new jack swing and hip-hop, laid the foundation for my musical pallet. Now that I’m raising my own little one, I’ve built on the foundation I had as a kid and I’m passing all of that musical knowledge down, song by song.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In return, my daughter is teaching me some things I need to know about tunes we listen to on a daily basis. This interaction is a reminder: not only is music a great teaching tool, but the lessons go both ways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On this week’s podcast, we discuss how my daughter and I bond over music, especially while taking trips in the car. It’s a joyride every time!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3368504494&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Growing up, music was always playing in my house. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We had the big wicker covered speakers with the red, white and yellow RCA cables connected to an amplifier. The dual tape players and the multiple disc changer was where music lived. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Prince and Teena Marie were constant. Earth, Wind, and Fire was always in rotation. The soundtracks for movies like \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Bodyguard\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Crooklyn\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> were staples. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Moms even got into New Jack Swing and eventually hip-hop. She loved the group \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Arrested Development\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and because of that, I did too. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And now I’m raising my daughter the same way. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But uh, slightly remixed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s Golden Era hip-hop in the morning. Fela in the afternoon. Sade after dinner. Miles Davis at midnight. Or maybe it’s Kaytranda in the morning. Sublime in the midday. Rihanna during the afterschool drive, and then a mix of Japanese Jazz Fusion artists as we read and get ready for bed in the evening. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Even though the genres have slightly expanded from how I was raised, my daughter is soaking it all up all the same.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Hi, I’m Zuri and I’m seven years old. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: We talk about how music is subtle and ubiquitous, playing at the grocery store or in the background of a TV show. And, at the same time, music is a magical artform that takes listeners into a world of different emotional responses. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m waxing poetically, but I’m no musician. Far from it. I tried rapping when I was a teen, but I forgot my lyrics. Tried singing but my voice changed; now I couldn’t hold a note even if I had special note-holding-gloves. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I’m a student of music, and I attribute that to being raised in a house where music was always playing– and in that, I was always learning, because music is one hell of a teaching tool. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today on the show, I want to share with you some of things that I’ve learned along the way, right after this. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: One weekend, I was driving around with my daughter Zuri, looking for something with a funky bassline for our sunny Saturday drive. My aim was to find some music with kid-friendly lyrics, but not too “kiddie,” because it was \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">my\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Saturday too. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I landed on Zapp and Roger, their greatest hits. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A few seconds into the first track my daughter asked me:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Are these the guys who make music with the tubes in their mouth?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Yes! She remembered. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The next step is remembering the artists’ actual names, and then maybe the instrument– a voice box, autotune or even more broadly, a synthesizer. But she remembered something, so I was juiced!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I played another track by Zapp and Roger, and then she followed up\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Do all of their songs sound like this?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Well, no. They have this one song I really like…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Within the first few beats of the song, she blurts out:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Tupac!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: YES! That’s it! That’s the song Tupac sampled for “Keep Your Head Up”. Bruh, I was ecstatic!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Posted at the red light, I got a lil choked up– I looked out the window pretending something caught my attention, holding back a lil tear.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My approach to musicology was working… And then I got greedy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I tried to explain to her that in the song “Keep Your Head Up,” Tupac’s producer, DJ Daryl, sampled the melody of the Zapp’s “Be Alright,” but the lyrics of Tupac’s song were a reference to another classic track. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: He was inspired by a group called The Five Stairsteps, who had a song called, “O-H-H-Child.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We got about thirty seconds into the song, when she asked me to turn down the music and said:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Daddy, this sounds like the chipmunks. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I didn’t see that coming. But that’s what happens when we talk about music in the car: There’s always something new. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The conversations touch on history and spirituality, sexism and racism. There’s almost always a tie in to Oakland. And just about every time she asks me about an artist, she asks if they’re still alive– which made me realize just how often I listen to recordings of people who are in the realm of the ancestors. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And of course, as when talking to just about \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">any\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> kid, there’s jokes. Like that one time she put in a request from the backseat… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Daddy, can you play \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">that one\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Michael Jackson song, “BLT”??? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: She’s not just learning from me, she’s getting it while she’s at school, by attending extracurricular programs, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> when she’s at her mom’s house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One week, I thought I was cool by showing her the version of the story of Cinderella starring Brandy. As soon the film started she was like… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Daddy, is that Moesha? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Her mom introduced her to both Moesha and Brandy, got her a Whitney Houston t-shirt, and helped her with her school project about Aretha Franklin. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They also often watch “The Masked Singer”. Now, she knows Motown hits, but has a hard time believing Smokey Robinson wrote ‘em, instead of a person wearing an owl costume. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: The best part of this journey through musical education: it works both ways! Now she’s teaching \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">me\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> about music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One spicy summer afternoon in Sacramento, my daughter and her friends gathered out front of our apartment singing their hearts out on a small Karaoke machine. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They ran through the classics: \u003cem>Moana\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Frozen\u003c/em>. Then they hit some of the newer joints, like “We Don’t Talk About Bruno”– that’s the youngest kid’s favorite. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The boy across the way, he loves “Sunflower” off the Spiderman soundtrack. And Jack Black’s “Peaches” gets everybody going. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then, a high schooler who lives in the apartment downstairs from me grabbed the mic and brought us into \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">her\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> world as she \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tjpe_vttac\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">cued up this video\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> of a rap battle between two animated characters:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It features Natsuki, from the\u003c/span>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://ddlc.moe/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Doki Doki Literature Club\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Raven_(New_Earth)\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">DC Comics’ heroine, Raven\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. As the video played, the teenager stood on the apartment walkway spitting flames! Reciting the lyrics bar for bar! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I can only hope my daughter is that passionate about her own musical interests when she’s a teen. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But for now, she’s in first grade. And even with this exposure to classic music and cultural icons, we still get pummeled with high-pitched voices singing overly joyous jingles. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And through those kiddie jams, again, I find important musical lessons. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My daughter loves this one PBS Kids show called “Hero Elementary.” It’s about a group of children who have special superpowers, but they’re still learning how to properly use them– hence the schooling. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: The show’s theme song is a catchy tune, one of the many children’s songs that unfortunately gets stuck in my head and plays on repeat at the worst times– like during important meetings.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: A few weeks ago I was up late, writing and listening to some miscellaneous jazz tunes, when I heard Michel Camilo’s 1989 song “On Fire.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I jumped up like my daughter did when she heard the Zapp song that Tupac sampled, “Hero Elementary!” I said to myself in the living room. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In listening to children’s song after children’s song, I’m reminded that the catchy music and melodic storytelling that works for the babies also works in grown folks’ music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Listen closely to songs like Tupac’s “Hail Mary” Or “Ambitionz Az A Ridah,” aside from the menacing delivery and the vulgarity, he’s reciting his lyrics like they’re a Mother Goose tale. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My daughter and I listen to some select Tupac songs, and have discussed his impact– as well as the legacies of Amy Winehouse, Bob Marley, Aaliyah and other artists who’ve become ancestors too soon.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it’s the Tupac songs that have brought about the best conversations. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Through them we’ve discussed oppression and liberation, Pac’s connection to Oakland and the Black Panther Party. And we’ve talked about the real meanings of the B-word and the N-word.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I’m mindful of the cuss words, as well as the sentiment in the songs I play when she’s around. I try to stay away from the R&B songs that have lyrics like “I can’t live without you,” because language about healthy relationships is just as important as learning not to cuss.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And we haven’t even gotten to the rap songs with violent lyrics, references to drugs or deep-seated misogyny. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Besides “Getting It” I haven’t played any Short for her, nor any E-40. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But she knows who Tupac, Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube are. And at the age of seven, she can identify the voices of Erykah Badu and Stevie Wonder. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The educational exploration of music hasn’t stopped her from learning “Baby Shark” or memorizing songs from \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Little Mermaid\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> soundtrack, she’s still very much so a kid. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m enjoying seeing her grow. I’m fortunate to have this experience. Some people don’t have the luxury of playing music constantly, or riding around discussing art with their children. Some folks aren’t even able to be with their children at all. So I don’t take this time for granted. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Nipsey Hussle memorial clip]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Four years ago at the funeral for the late hip-hop legend and entrepreneur, Nipsey Hussle, his longtime girlfriend, the talented actress\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNEpJGVWYfY\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Lauren London, said something\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> that I think about a lot. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She stood behind a podium, wearing a bright white gown and dark black sunglasses, as her hair draped over her shoulders.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speaking to the audience at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, she shared a prepared statement reflecting on what Nipsey brought to the world– and specifically their family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: She said that Nipsey would wake up in the morning and play music for the kids, simultaneously lighting sage and burning it around the house. It was his effort to get everyone’s energy right before walking out the door. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think about that – as I’m lighting an incense or a candle as the sun rises, and i’m looking through my playlists trying to figure out the first song of the day. Knowing that I’m not just a dad posing as a DJ, but a human using one of the highest forms of art to lend some guidance to another human who is on their spiritual journey. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What do you like about music?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I like that it sounds fun and funny sometimes and it’s cool.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> How does music make you feel?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Happy because you get to dance!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: This episode was written by me, Pendarvis Harshaw and my daughter, Zuri. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was produced by \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"mailto:mmedina@kqed.org\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\" data-rich-links='{\"per_n\":\"Marisol Medina-Cadena\",\"per_e\":\"mmedina@kqed.org\",\"type\":\"person\"}'>Marisol Medina-Cadena\u003c/span>\u003c/a> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and Maya Cueva\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our editor is Chris Hambrick and our engineer is Christopher Beale. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Rightnowish team is supported by \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sheree Bishop,\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Jen Chien , Holly Kernan, Xorje Olivares, Cesar Saldaña , and Katie Sprenger. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you all for listening!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Until next time, peace. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rightnowish is a KQED production.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cem>Rightnowish is an arts and culture podcast produced at KQED. 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Maybe there’s footage of an embarrassing singing performance or video of an entertaining dance rendition. Either way, I’m sure it’s a worthwhile tale where lessons were learned. And that’s because music, one of the highest forms of art, is also one of the greatest teaching tools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My daughter and I discuss music from the time we wake up to the time we go to sleep, that’s because I’m always playing music. I’m raising her that way, largely because that’s how I grew up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mother’s love for funk and R&B, as well as new jack swing and hip-hop, laid the foundation for my musical pallet. Now that I’m raising my own little one, I’ve built on the foundation I had as a kid and I’m passing all of that musical knowledge down, song by song.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In return, my daughter is teaching me some things I need to know about tunes we listen to on a daily basis. This interaction is a reminder: not only is music a great teaching tool, but the lessons go both ways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On this week’s podcast, we discuss how my daughter and I bond over music, especially while taking trips in the car. It’s a joyride every time!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3368504494&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Growing up, music was always playing in my house. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We had the big wicker covered speakers with the red, white and yellow RCA cables connected to an amplifier. The dual tape players and the multiple disc changer was where music lived. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Prince and Teena Marie were constant. Earth, Wind, and Fire was always in rotation. The soundtracks for movies like \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Bodyguard\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Crooklyn\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> were staples. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Moms even got into New Jack Swing and eventually hip-hop. She loved the group \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Arrested Development\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and because of that, I did too. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And now I’m raising my daughter the same way. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But uh, slightly remixed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s Golden Era hip-hop in the morning. Fela in the afternoon. Sade after dinner. Miles Davis at midnight. Or maybe it’s Kaytranda in the morning. Sublime in the midday. Rihanna during the afterschool drive, and then a mix of Japanese Jazz Fusion artists as we read and get ready for bed in the evening. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Even though the genres have slightly expanded from how I was raised, my daughter is soaking it all up all the same.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Hi, I’m Zuri and I’m seven years old. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: We talk about how music is subtle and ubiquitous, playing at the grocery store or in the background of a TV show. And, at the same time, music is a magical artform that takes listeners into a world of different emotional responses. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m waxing poetically, but I’m no musician. Far from it. I tried rapping when I was a teen, but I forgot my lyrics. Tried singing but my voice changed; now I couldn’t hold a note even if I had special note-holding-gloves. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I’m a student of music, and I attribute that to being raised in a house where music was always playing– and in that, I was always learning, because music is one hell of a teaching tool. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today on the show, I want to share with you some of things that I’ve learned along the way, right after this. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: One weekend, I was driving around with my daughter Zuri, looking for something with a funky bassline for our sunny Saturday drive. My aim was to find some music with kid-friendly lyrics, but not too “kiddie,” because it was \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">my\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Saturday too. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I landed on Zapp and Roger, their greatest hits. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A few seconds into the first track my daughter asked me:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Are these the guys who make music with the tubes in their mouth?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Yes! She remembered. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The next step is remembering the artists’ actual names, and then maybe the instrument– a voice box, autotune or even more broadly, a synthesizer. But she remembered something, so I was juiced!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I played another track by Zapp and Roger, and then she followed up\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Do all of their songs sound like this?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Well, no. They have this one song I really like…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Within the first few beats of the song, she blurts out:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Tupac!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: YES! That’s it! That’s the song Tupac sampled for “Keep Your Head Up”. Bruh, I was ecstatic!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Posted at the red light, I got a lil choked up– I looked out the window pretending something caught my attention, holding back a lil tear.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My approach to musicology was working… And then I got greedy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I tried to explain to her that in the song “Keep Your Head Up,” Tupac’s producer, DJ Daryl, sampled the melody of the Zapp’s “Be Alright,” but the lyrics of Tupac’s song were a reference to another classic track. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: He was inspired by a group called The Five Stairsteps, who had a song called, “O-H-H-Child.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We got about thirty seconds into the song, when she asked me to turn down the music and said:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Daddy, this sounds like the chipmunks. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I didn’t see that coming. But that’s what happens when we talk about music in the car: There’s always something new. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The conversations touch on history and spirituality, sexism and racism. There’s almost always a tie in to Oakland. And just about every time she asks me about an artist, she asks if they’re still alive– which made me realize just how often I listen to recordings of people who are in the realm of the ancestors. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And of course, as when talking to just about \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">any\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> kid, there’s jokes. Like that one time she put in a request from the backseat… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Daddy, can you play \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">that one\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Michael Jackson song, “BLT”??? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: She’s not just learning from me, she’s getting it while she’s at school, by attending extracurricular programs, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> when she’s at her mom’s house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One week, I thought I was cool by showing her the version of the story of Cinderella starring Brandy. As soon the film started she was like… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Daddy, is that Moesha? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Her mom introduced her to both Moesha and Brandy, got her a Whitney Houston t-shirt, and helped her with her school project about Aretha Franklin. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They also often watch “The Masked Singer”. Now, she knows Motown hits, but has a hard time believing Smokey Robinson wrote ‘em, instead of a person wearing an owl costume. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: The best part of this journey through musical education: it works both ways! Now she’s teaching \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">me\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> about music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One spicy summer afternoon in Sacramento, my daughter and her friends gathered out front of our apartment singing their hearts out on a small Karaoke machine. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They ran through the classics: \u003cem>Moana\u003c/em> and \u003cem>Frozen\u003c/em>. Then they hit some of the newer joints, like “We Don’t Talk About Bruno”– that’s the youngest kid’s favorite. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The boy across the way, he loves “Sunflower” off the Spiderman soundtrack. And Jack Black’s “Peaches” gets everybody going. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then, a high schooler who lives in the apartment downstairs from me grabbed the mic and brought us into \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">her\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> world as she \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tjpe_vttac\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">cued up this video\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> of a rap battle between two animated characters:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It features Natsuki, from the\u003c/span>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://ddlc.moe/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Doki Doki Literature Club\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Raven_(New_Earth)\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">DC Comics’ heroine, Raven\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. As the video played, the teenager stood on the apartment walkway spitting flames! Reciting the lyrics bar for bar! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I can only hope my daughter is that passionate about her own musical interests when she’s a teen. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But for now, she’s in first grade. And even with this exposure to classic music and cultural icons, we still get pummeled with high-pitched voices singing overly joyous jingles. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And through those kiddie jams, again, I find important musical lessons. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My daughter loves this one PBS Kids show called “Hero Elementary.” It’s about a group of children who have special superpowers, but they’re still learning how to properly use them– hence the schooling. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: The show’s theme song is a catchy tune, one of the many children’s songs that unfortunately gets stuck in my head and plays on repeat at the worst times– like during important meetings.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: A few weeks ago I was up late, writing and listening to some miscellaneous jazz tunes, when I heard Michel Camilo’s 1989 song “On Fire.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I jumped up like my daughter did when she heard the Zapp song that Tupac sampled, “Hero Elementary!” I said to myself in the living room. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In listening to children’s song after children’s song, I’m reminded that the catchy music and melodic storytelling that works for the babies also works in grown folks’ music. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Listen closely to songs like Tupac’s “Hail Mary” Or “Ambitionz Az A Ridah,” aside from the menacing delivery and the vulgarity, he’s reciting his lyrics like they’re a Mother Goose tale. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My daughter and I listen to some select Tupac songs, and have discussed his impact– as well as the legacies of Amy Winehouse, Bob Marley, Aaliyah and other artists who’ve become ancestors too soon.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it’s the Tupac songs that have brought about the best conversations. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Through them we’ve discussed oppression and liberation, Pac’s connection to Oakland and the Black Panther Party. And we’ve talked about the real meanings of the B-word and the N-word.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I’m mindful of the cuss words, as well as the sentiment in the songs I play when she’s around. I try to stay away from the R&B songs that have lyrics like “I can’t live without you,” because language about healthy relationships is just as important as learning not to cuss.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And we haven’t even gotten to the rap songs with violent lyrics, references to drugs or deep-seated misogyny. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Besides “Getting It” I haven’t played any Short for her, nor any E-40. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But she knows who Tupac, Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube are. And at the age of seven, she can identify the voices of Erykah Badu and Stevie Wonder. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The educational exploration of music hasn’t stopped her from learning “Baby Shark” or memorizing songs from \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Little Mermaid\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> soundtrack, she’s still very much so a kid. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m enjoying seeing her grow. I’m fortunate to have this experience. Some people don’t have the luxury of playing music constantly, or riding around discussing art with their children. Some folks aren’t even able to be with their children at all. So I don’t take this time for granted. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Nipsey Hussle memorial clip]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Four years ago at the funeral for the late hip-hop legend and entrepreneur, Nipsey Hussle, his longtime girlfriend, the talented actress\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNEpJGVWYfY\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Lauren London, said something\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> that I think about a lot. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She stood behind a podium, wearing a bright white gown and dark black sunglasses, as her hair draped over her shoulders.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speaking to the audience at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, she shared a prepared statement reflecting on what Nipsey brought to the world– and specifically their family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: She said that Nipsey would wake up in the morning and play music for the kids, simultaneously lighting sage and burning it around the house. It was his effort to get everyone’s energy right before walking out the door. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think about that – as I’m lighting an incense or a candle as the sun rises, and i’m looking through my playlists trying to figure out the first song of the day. Knowing that I’m not just a dad posing as a DJ, but a human using one of the highest forms of art to lend some guidance to another human who is on their spiritual journey. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What do you like about music?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I like that it sounds fun and funny sometimes and it’s cool.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> How does music make you feel?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zuri:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Happy because you get to dance!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Music playing]\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Pendarvis Harshaw\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: This episode was written by me, Pendarvis Harshaw and my daughter, Zuri. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was produced by \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"mailto:mmedina@kqed.org\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\" data-rich-links='{\"per_n\":\"Marisol Medina-Cadena\",\"per_e\":\"mmedina@kqed.org\",\"type\":\"person\"}'>Marisol Medina-Cadena\u003c/span>\u003c/a> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and Maya Cueva\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our editor is Chris Hambrick and our engineer is Christopher Beale. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Rightnowish team is supported by \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sheree Bishop,\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Jen Chien , Holly Kernan, Xorje Olivares, Cesar Saldaña , and Katie Sprenger. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you all for listening!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Until next time, peace. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rightnowish is a KQED production.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cem>Rightnowish is an arts and culture podcast produced at KQED. 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