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The facility itself sits on 432 acres of land in Marin County, one of the top five wealthiest counties per capita in the United States, where well-off residents walk their dogs and take in gorgeous views of the San Francisco Bay on a beach that’s just a stone’s throw from the 171-year-old complex.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the natural environment surrounding San Quentin is a reminder of why so many love this region, inside, the prison exemplifies one of the largest issues plaguing this country: a failed carceral system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927021\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927021\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"A man gazes toward a large concrete complex that sits near a bay of water.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Quentin State Prison, the subject of Adamu Chan’s new documentary, ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2020, San Quentin was home to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11825930/as-coronavirus-cases-surge-at-san-quentin-lawmakers-demand-an-explanation\">one of the largest COVID-19 outbreaks of any prison in the country\u003c/a>. Since then, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, San Quentin has been the site of \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/covid19/population-status-tracking/\">over 3,000 confirmed cases and 28 total deaths\u003c/a> directly related to the virus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just a few months after the initial outbreak at San Quentin, filmmaker \u003ca href=\"https://www.adamuchan.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adamu Chan\u003c/a> was released from its gates. And in April, \u003ca href=\"https://sffilm.org/event/what-these-walls-wont-hold-how-we-get-free-sol-in-the-garden-cgv/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the San Francisco Film Festival\u003c/a> will screen Chan’s latest film, inspired by his experiences, titled \u003cem>What These Walls Won’t Hold\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID='arts_13889012']Taking viewers into the United States’ massive prison system, the film focuses on how people rely upon each other in order to navigate the dehumanizing elements of a system that controls them and the facility that confines them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the story, Chan shares personal reflections about the circle of friends he developed inside of San Quentin, as well as the community outside of its walls. He details the contradictions between the harsh reality of being behind bars and the intrinsic beauty of the natural environment around the facility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Driving the story are written letters to and from Chan. Through these notes, viewers gain an understanding of Chan’s friendship with poet and organizer \u003ca href=\"http://isaborgeson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Isa Borgeson\u003c/a>. And just as viewers see Chan’s own reentry process, the film covers the homecoming ceremonies of \u003cem>San Quentin News\u003c/em> editor \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/stories-by-joe-rosato-jr/long-time-editor-of-san-quentin-newspaper-savors-freedom-after-23-years/2568246/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Richard “Bonaru” Richardson\u003c/a>, Ear Hustle co-host \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13924925/ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rahsaan “New York” Thomas\u003c/a> and longtime San Quentin resident and restorative justice practitioner \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/no-way-out/article_9ab986b7-eefd-54d0-9520-bdf921963b58.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Lonnie Morris\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927023\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927023\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"A man with graying hair and a plaid shirt embraces a shorter woman, burying his head in her shoulders.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Quentin News editor Richard ‘Bonaru’ Richardson comes home in Adamu Chan’s documentary ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Morris’ scene is especially poignant; after making his way out of San Quentin’s gates, he’s embraced with congratulatory hugs, comments of love, and praises of “you did it.” (He’s quick to correct people, saying “\u003cem>we\u003c/em> did it.”) Addressing the crowd with a speech that toes the line of a prayer, Morris speaks on the importance of living in the present moment, valuing those around you, and honoring the creator. As his speech winds down, someone in the crowd says “Now let’s get away from San Quentin!” — to which Morris vigorously agrees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But just because you’re home doesn’t mean you’re \u003cem>free\u003c/em>, as Chan explains to me. When we talk, Chan — a \u003ca href=\"https://ccsre.stanford.edu/people/adamu-chan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2022 CCSRE Mellon Arts Fellow\u003c/a> at Stanford University — lets out a laugh of frustration and tells me he’s just gotten word that he was denied the ability to travel to New York, where he was scheduled to attend and present at a conference at Columbia University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan’s disheartening call came days after Governor Gavin Newsom announced plans to change the model of San Quentin: from California’s oldest functional prison, with the largest death row in the nation, to a restorative facility largely based on prison models in Norway. The idea came after stakeholders, elected officials and people who’ve spent time in prison visited the Scandinavian country last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID='arts_13904492']“Norway does a better job in certain senses,” says Chan, who was part of the Norway trip. He saw firsthand how prisons in the European country differ from the ones in the United States. But ultimately, he says, one thing remains the same: “It’s a prison system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan recognized that he was on a guided tour, he tells me, and adds that “they will only show you what they want you to see.” San Quentin, which also offers tours to visitors, similarly offers a selective view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“(San Quentin) is like a living museum, a show prison. They’ll show carceral practices of the past so they can show you how far we’ve progressed,” Chan tells me, using the example of the prison’s relatively new hospital, which sits atop a defunct dungeon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927022\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927022\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Filming ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Inside of San Quentin, a wide array of programs are available, such as coding, theatre, restorative justice, and an award-winning newspaper. But space within those programs is limited, and not every person can benefit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan, who did benefit from San Quentin’s programs, is in support of people inside having greater freedoms and access. But he questions the overall notion of rehabilitation coming from state-sanctioned isolation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the stuff he saw in Norway was moving — a full grocery store, spacious bunks — people there are still isolated, separated from friends and family, and controlled by a governing system. Fundamentally, Chan says, it’s no different than what people experience in the States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID='forum_2010101888959']“What we need is better prisons?” Chan asks rhetorically, questioning the philosophy behind the proposed changes. “No,” Chan answers, “What we need is something that deals with the larger issues we’re up against. We need to question where violence comes from. We need to question, \u003ci>what is violence\u003c/i>?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the face of the sweeping natural hills that surround San Quentin, big claims of rehabilitation from elected officials, and resources permitted to San Quentin residents that aren’t accessible to folks in other prisons in California, Chan is clear about how he survived while incarcerated: community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The people that I was privileged to be around,” Chan tells me, “we benefited from building our own community, smaller systems of care and accountability, and supporting each other.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Chan is looking to share this story beyond the prison’s walls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12904247\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"39\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-160x16.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-240x23.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-375x37.jpg 375w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>‘What These Walls Won’t Hold’ screens as part of the San Francisco Film Festival on Saturday, April 15 at 12pm and Sunday, April 16 at 2pm. \u003ca href=\"//sffilm.org/2023-festival-program/\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Adamu Chan's film 'What These Walls Won't Hold' shows the circles of support required to live behind San Quentin's walls.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705005694,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":24,"wordCount":1153},"headData":{"title":"New Documentary on San Quentin, 'What These Walls Won't Hold' | KQED","description":"Adamu Chan's film shows the circles of support required to live behind San Quentin's dehumanizing walls.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialTitle":"New Documentary on San Quentin, 'What These Walls Won't Hold' %%page%% %%sep%% KQED","socialDescription":"Adamu Chan's film shows the circles of support required to live behind San Quentin's dehumanizing walls."},"sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13926813/san-quentin-prison-adamu-chan-what-these-walls-cant-hold","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Behind the concrete walls and steel bars of San Quentin State Prison sit more than 3,000 people, currently serving time. The facility itself sits on 432 acres of land in Marin County, one of the top five wealthiest counties per capita in the United States, where well-off residents walk their dogs and take in gorgeous views of the San Francisco Bay on a beach that’s just a stone’s throw from the 171-year-old complex.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the natural environment surrounding San Quentin is a reminder of why so many love this region, inside, the prison exemplifies one of the largest issues plaguing this country: a failed carceral system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927021\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927021\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"A man gazes toward a large concrete complex that sits near a bay of water.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.bay_.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Quentin State Prison, the subject of Adamu Chan’s new documentary, ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2020, San Quentin was home to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11825930/as-coronavirus-cases-surge-at-san-quentin-lawmakers-demand-an-explanation\">one of the largest COVID-19 outbreaks of any prison in the country\u003c/a>. Since then, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, San Quentin has been the site of \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/covid19/population-status-tracking/\">over 3,000 confirmed cases and 28 total deaths\u003c/a> directly related to the virus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just a few months after the initial outbreak at San Quentin, filmmaker \u003ca href=\"https://www.adamuchan.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adamu Chan\u003c/a> was released from its gates. And in April, \u003ca href=\"https://sffilm.org/event/what-these-walls-wont-hold-how-we-get-free-sol-in-the-garden-cgv/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the San Francisco Film Festival\u003c/a> will screen Chan’s latest film, inspired by his experiences, titled \u003cem>What These Walls Won’t Hold\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13889012","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Taking viewers into the United States’ massive prison system, the film focuses on how people rely upon each other in order to navigate the dehumanizing elements of a system that controls them and the facility that confines them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the story, Chan shares personal reflections about the circle of friends he developed inside of San Quentin, as well as the community outside of its walls. He details the contradictions between the harsh reality of being behind bars and the intrinsic beauty of the natural environment around the facility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Driving the story are written letters to and from Chan. Through these notes, viewers gain an understanding of Chan’s friendship with poet and organizer \u003ca href=\"http://isaborgeson.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Isa Borgeson\u003c/a>. And just as viewers see Chan’s own reentry process, the film covers the homecoming ceremonies of \u003cem>San Quentin News\u003c/em> editor \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/stories-by-joe-rosato-jr/long-time-editor-of-san-quentin-newspaper-savors-freedom-after-23-years/2568246/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Richard “Bonaru” Richardson\u003c/a>, Ear Hustle co-host \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13924925/ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rahsaan “New York” Thomas\u003c/a> and longtime San Quentin resident and restorative justice practitioner \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/no-way-out/article_9ab986b7-eefd-54d0-9520-bdf921963b58.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Lonnie Morris\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927023\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927023\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"A man with graying hair and a plaid shirt embraces a shorter woman, burying his head in her shoulders.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/WhatTheseWalls.hug_.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Quentin News editor Richard ‘Bonaru’ Richardson comes home in Adamu Chan’s documentary ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Morris’ scene is especially poignant; after making his way out of San Quentin’s gates, he’s embraced with congratulatory hugs, comments of love, and praises of “you did it.” (He’s quick to correct people, saying “\u003cem>we\u003c/em> did it.”) Addressing the crowd with a speech that toes the line of a prayer, Morris speaks on the importance of living in the present moment, valuing those around you, and honoring the creator. As his speech winds down, someone in the crowd says “Now let’s get away from San Quentin!” — to which Morris vigorously agrees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But just because you’re home doesn’t mean you’re \u003cem>free\u003c/em>, as Chan explains to me. When we talk, Chan — a \u003ca href=\"https://ccsre.stanford.edu/people/adamu-chan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2022 CCSRE Mellon Arts Fellow\u003c/a> at Stanford University — lets out a laugh of frustration and tells me he’s just gotten word that he was denied the ability to travel to New York, where he was scheduled to attend and present at a conference at Columbia University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan’s disheartening call came days after Governor Gavin Newsom announced plans to change the model of San Quentin: from California’s oldest functional prison, with the largest death row in the nation, to a restorative facility largely based on prison models in Norway. The idea came after stakeholders, elected officials and people who’ve spent time in prison visited the Scandinavian country last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13904492","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Norway does a better job in certain senses,” says Chan, who was part of the Norway trip. He saw firsthand how prisons in the European country differ from the ones in the United States. But ultimately, he says, one thing remains the same: “It’s a prison system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan recognized that he was on a guided tour, he tells me, and adds that “they will only show you what they want you to see.” San Quentin, which also offers tours to visitors, similarly offers a selective view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“(San Quentin) is like a living museum, a show prison. They’ll show carceral practices of the past so they can show you how far we’ve progressed,” Chan tells me, using the example of the prison’s relatively new hospital, which sits atop a defunct dungeon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13927022\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13927022\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Whatthesewalls.camera-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Filming ‘What These Walls Won’t Hold.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy of SFFILM)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Inside of San Quentin, a wide array of programs are available, such as coding, theatre, restorative justice, and an award-winning newspaper. But space within those programs is limited, and not every person can benefit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chan, who did benefit from San Quentin’s programs, is in support of people inside having greater freedoms and access. But he questions the overall notion of rehabilitation coming from state-sanctioned isolation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the stuff he saw in Norway was moving — a full grocery store, spacious bunks — people there are still isolated, separated from friends and family, and controlled by a governing system. Fundamentally, Chan says, it’s no different than what people experience in the States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"forum_2010101888959","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“What we need is better prisons?” Chan asks rhetorically, questioning the philosophy behind the proposed changes. “No,” Chan answers, “What we need is something that deals with the larger issues we’re up against. We need to question where violence comes from. We need to question, \u003ci>what is violence\u003c/i>?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the face of the sweeping natural hills that surround San Quentin, big claims of rehabilitation from elected officials, and resources permitted to San Quentin residents that aren’t accessible to folks in other prisons in California, Chan is clear about how he survived while incarcerated: community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The people that I was privileged to be around,” Chan tells me, “we benefited from building our own community, smaller systems of care and accountability, and supporting each other.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Chan is looking to share this story beyond the prison’s walls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12904247\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"39\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-160x16.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-240x23.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39-375x37.jpg 375w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>‘What These Walls Won’t Hold’ screens as part of the San Francisco Film Festival on Saturday, April 15 at 12pm and Sunday, April 16 at 2pm. \u003ca href=\"//sffilm.org/2023-festival-program/\">Details here\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13926813/san-quentin-prison-adamu-chan-what-these-walls-cant-hold","authors":["11491"],"programs":["arts_140"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_74"],"tags":["arts_10127","arts_1893","arts_10342","arts_10278","arts_10328","arts_11661","arts_1526","arts_1985","arts_3772","arts_585"],"featImg":"arts_13926814","label":"arts_140"},"arts_13924925":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13924925","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13924925","score":null,"sort":[1675983043000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison","title":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison","publishDate":1675983043,"format":"standard","headTitle":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>A co-host of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, the Pulitzer Prize-nominated podcast produced behind bars, was released from San Quentin State Prison on Wednesday, a year after California Gov. Gavin Newsom commuted his sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rahsaan “New York” Thomas, 52, left the lockup near San Francisco and was greeted by his fellow podcast co-hosts Walter “Earlonne” Woods, who was freed in 2019, and Nigel Poor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re thrilled to welcome him home,” the podcast posted on its Twitter feed, along with photos of Thomas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/earhustlesq/status/1623392364394848258\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thomas’ sentence was commuted by Newsom in Jan. 2022 and the state parole board granted his release on parole in August.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“While in prison, Mr. Thomas has dedicated himself to his rehabilitation,” Newsom wrote in the commutation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thomas was serving a 55 1/2 years-to-life sentence for a second-degree murder conviction in 2000 and related charges after he fatally shot one victim and injured another during a drug deal. A Los Angeles County jury rejected his self-defense claim that he fatally shot a man who was trying to rob him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13847946']Since 2019, Thomas has been a co-producer and co-host of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>— named after prison slang for eavesdropping. He was also a regular contributor to the San Quentin News, along with publications outside prison walls. He served as chairman of the Society of Professional Journalists’ San Quentin satellite chapter and worked with several criminal justice reform groups.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Former governor Jerry Brown in 2018 commuted the sentence of Woods, the podcast’s co-creator, leading to his release. Woods continues to work on the outside as a full-time producer and co-host for the podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, which began in 2017, bills itself as “the first podcast created and produced in prison, featuring stories of the daily realities of life inside California’s San Quentin State Prison, shared by those living it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2023 AP. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the AP\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Thomas, of the Pulitzer Prize-nominated podcast, was released from San Quentin on Wednesday.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705005863,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":347},"headData":{"title":"Rahsaan ‘New York’ Thomas Freed From San Quentin Prison | KQED","description":"Thomas, of the Pulitzer Prize-nominated podcast, was released from San Quentin on Wednesday.","ogTitle":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"‘Ear Hustle’ Podcast Co-Host Rahsaan Thomas is Free From San Quentin Prison","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","socialTitle":"Rahsaan ‘New York’ Thomas Freed From San Quentin Prison %%page%% %%sep%% KQED"},"sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/arts/13924925/ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A co-host of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, the Pulitzer Prize-nominated podcast produced behind bars, was released from San Quentin State Prison on Wednesday, a year after California Gov. Gavin Newsom commuted his sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rahsaan “New York” Thomas, 52, left the lockup near San Francisco and was greeted by his fellow podcast co-hosts Walter “Earlonne” Woods, who was freed in 2019, and Nigel Poor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re thrilled to welcome him home,” the podcast posted on its Twitter feed, along with photos of Thomas.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1623392364394848258"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Thomas’ sentence was commuted by Newsom in Jan. 2022 and the state parole board granted his release on parole in August.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“While in prison, Mr. Thomas has dedicated himself to his rehabilitation,” Newsom wrote in the commutation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thomas was serving a 55 1/2 years-to-life sentence for a second-degree murder conviction in 2000 and related charges after he fatally shot one victim and injured another during a drug deal. A Los Angeles County jury rejected his self-defense claim that he fatally shot a man who was trying to rob him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13847946","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Since 2019, Thomas has been a co-producer and co-host of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>— named after prison slang for eavesdropping. He was also a regular contributor to the San Quentin News, along with publications outside prison walls. He served as chairman of the Society of Professional Journalists’ San Quentin satellite chapter and worked with several criminal justice reform groups.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Former governor Jerry Brown in 2018 commuted the sentence of Woods, the podcast’s co-creator, leading to his release. Woods continues to work on the outside as a full-time producer and co-host for the podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, which began in 2017, bills itself as “the first podcast created and produced in prison, featuring stories of the daily realities of life inside California’s San Quentin State Prison, shared by those living it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2023 AP. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the AP\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13924925/ear-hustle-podcast-co-host-rahsaan-thomas-is-free-from-san-quentin-prison","authors":["92"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_235","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_1893","arts_3837","arts_1526","arts_12987","arts_1985"],"featImg":"arts_13862094","label":"arts"},"arts_13847946":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13847946","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13847946","score":null,"sort":[1546455003000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"california-inmate-takes-unlikely-path-to-freedom-podcasting","title":"California Inmate Takes Unlikely Path to Freedom: Podcasting","publishDate":1546455003,"format":"standard","headTitle":"California Inmate Takes Unlikely Path to Freedom: Podcasting | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>In California, inmates typically are granted parole by doing good deeds or showing they have been rehabilitated by becoming pastors, drug counselors or youth advocates. For Walter “Earlonne” Woods, the path to freedom was podcasting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life sentence for attempted armed robbery. Brown cited Woods’ leadership in helping other inmates and his work at \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.earhustlesq.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ear Hustle\u003c/a>\u003c/em>, a podcast he co-hosts and co-produces that documents everyday life inside the prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=”bovN0iytS11UduaaABra2NsTOerQTJGS”]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods has since been hired as a full-time producer for the often funny and at times heart-wrenching podcast, which has been a smashing success since its launch in 2017. The show’s roughly 30 episodes have been downloaded 20 million times by fans all over the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listeners have praised \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em> online as “eye-opening” and “incredibly humanizing.” But for Woods, one of the most meaningful reviews came from the governor’s office when they called with the good news.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The one thing that the lady said, you know, she told me, ‘We love the podcast in this office,’” Woods told The Associated Press of the commutation call from Brown’s office. “I don’t know if the governor listens, but people in his office listen. People really like what we do.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=”eUXsgMZtpOGqnp4LPaFvoKeHnvtd6z91″]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During their podcast, Woods and fellow creator and outside co-host, prison volunteer Nigel Poor, give listeners a peek into the hardships and small joys of men incarcerated at the medium-security facility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In interviews with the hosts, inmates discuss struggles such as finding a compatible cellmate to share a 5-by-10-foot cell, share why they take care of frogs or black widow spiders as if they were pets, or describe the impact of solitary confinement or being on death row.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods, an affable man with a quick smile and a sharp sense of humor, helps listeners understand prison life, while Poor brings an outsider’s perspective, asking insightful questions that at times push inmates to reflect on what put them behind bars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The podcast offers listeners an intimate look into lives society doesn’t spend much time thinking about, said Woods, who spent 21 years behind bars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People get to see the car chases. They get to see the trial. But they don’t know what happens after you get to prison,” Woods said. “We’ve been able to really humanize people, and people realize that those in prison are just people who made dumb decisions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brown agreed, and in his commutation letter, issued the day before Thanksgiving, the governor said Woods “has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=”kJNIbIEfNzWOH1nrVMIVBjmMk0eZYJCu”]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He has set a positive example for his peers and, through his podcast, has shared meaningful stories from those inside prison,” Brown wrote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The podcast project started after Poor, a San Francisco Bay Area artist who has volunteered at San Quentin since 2011, approached Woods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2016, Poor saw Public Radio Exchange’s Radiotopia network was sponsoring a podcast talent contest, and she asked Lt. Sam Robinson, San Quentin’s spokesman, for permission to enter. Another co-creator, Antwan Williams, who is serving 15 years for armed robbery, came on board to do its sound design.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Their pitch beat more than 1,500 contestants from 53 countries, and they received the backing of a group of radio professionals, Poor said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everyone was shocked when we won, especially the prison. Lt. Robinson told me he let us enter because he never thought we would win,” she said, laughing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>—eavesdropping, in prison slang—has found international success, with fans sending cards and letters from as far as New Zealand, Qatar in the Middle East, and Mauritius in East Africa. The free show also can be accessed in prisons throughout California and the United Kingdom. New episodes are posted every couple of weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Julie Shapiro, Radiotopia executive producer, describes the podcast as a “roller coaster of emotions” that challenges what people understand about life in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People don’t expect to have something in common with those telling their stories from prison, but the details of their lives resonate with listeners because they hear these men encounter daily life in some of the same ways that we do,” Shapiro said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The outpouring of love and appreciation for the show has grown since Woods announced on a Nov. 24 episode that Brown commuted his sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The first thing Woods did after walking through the prison gates on Nov. 30 was take in the view of the San Francisco Bay and of the ocean “as far as the eye can see.” An episode featured his first moments as a free man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=”QrmYxhZUEedCDFsDc5SDp83z4KHAZu7a”]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, he’s been noticing new styles, like women everywhere in yoga pants, and people walking through the streets with their heads bowed. He quickly realized they were looking at their smartphones, which didn’t exist when he started his sentence in 1997.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods has also spent time people-watching at a high-end department store, visited Disneyland and recently made eggs for the first time in two decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The fourth season of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, which will be released this summer, will feature stories of his re-entry to society and interviews with other inmates released after long sentences. He and Poor also plan to visit maximum-security prisons and tell the stories of prisoners there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lot of people that’s in there that should be out,” Woods said. “I created a podcast, but I’m not the exception.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Walter 'Earlonne' Woods was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life sentence for attempted armed robbery.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705026805,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":31,"wordCount":1011},"headData":{"title":"California Inmate Takes Unlikely Path to Freedom: Podcasting | KQED","description":"Walter 'Earlonne' Woods was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life sentence for attempted armed robbery.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Olga R. Rodriguez (AP)","path":"/arts/13847946/california-inmate-takes-unlikely-path-to-freedom-podcasting","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>In California, inmates typically are granted parole by doing good deeds or showing they have been rehabilitated by becoming pastors, drug counselors or youth advocates. For Walter “Earlonne” Woods, the path to freedom was podcasting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life sentence for attempted armed robbery. Brown cited Woods’ leadership in helping other inmates and his work at \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.earhustlesq.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ear Hustle\u003c/a>\u003c/em>, a podcast he co-hosts and co-produces that documents everyday life inside the prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods has since been hired as a full-time producer for the often funny and at times heart-wrenching podcast, which has been a smashing success since its launch in 2017. The show’s roughly 30 episodes have been downloaded 20 million times by fans all over the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listeners have praised \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em> online as “eye-opening” and “incredibly humanizing.” But for Woods, one of the most meaningful reviews came from the governor’s office when they called with the good news.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The one thing that the lady said, you know, she told me, ‘We love the podcast in this office,’” Woods told The Associated Press of the commutation call from Brown’s office. “I don’t know if the governor listens, but people in his office listen. People really like what we do.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During their podcast, Woods and fellow creator and outside co-host, prison volunteer Nigel Poor, give listeners a peek into the hardships and small joys of men incarcerated at the medium-security facility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In interviews with the hosts, inmates discuss struggles such as finding a compatible cellmate to share a 5-by-10-foot cell, share why they take care of frogs or black widow spiders as if they were pets, or describe the impact of solitary confinement or being on death row.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods, an affable man with a quick smile and a sharp sense of humor, helps listeners understand prison life, while Poor brings an outsider’s perspective, asking insightful questions that at times push inmates to reflect on what put them behind bars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The podcast offers listeners an intimate look into lives society doesn’t spend much time thinking about, said Woods, who spent 21 years behind bars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People get to see the car chases. They get to see the trial. But they don’t know what happens after you get to prison,” Woods said. “We’ve been able to really humanize people, and people realize that those in prison are just people who made dumb decisions.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brown agreed, and in his commutation letter, issued the day before Thanksgiving, the governor said Woods “has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He has set a positive example for his peers and, through his podcast, has shared meaningful stories from those inside prison,” Brown wrote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The podcast project started after Poor, a San Francisco Bay Area artist who has volunteered at San Quentin since 2011, approached Woods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2016, Poor saw Public Radio Exchange’s Radiotopia network was sponsoring a podcast talent contest, and she asked Lt. Sam Robinson, San Quentin’s spokesman, for permission to enter. Another co-creator, Antwan Williams, who is serving 15 years for armed robbery, came on board to do its sound design.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Their pitch beat more than 1,500 contestants from 53 countries, and they received the backing of a group of radio professionals, Poor said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everyone was shocked when we won, especially the prison. Lt. Robinson told me he let us enter because he never thought we would win,” she said, laughing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>—eavesdropping, in prison slang—has found international success, with fans sending cards and letters from as far as New Zealand, Qatar in the Middle East, and Mauritius in East Africa. The free show also can be accessed in prisons throughout California and the United Kingdom. New episodes are posted every couple of weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Julie Shapiro, Radiotopia executive producer, describes the podcast as a “roller coaster of emotions” that challenges what people understand about life in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People don’t expect to have something in common with those telling their stories from prison, but the details of their lives resonate with listeners because they hear these men encounter daily life in some of the same ways that we do,” Shapiro said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The outpouring of love and appreciation for the show has grown since Woods announced on a Nov. 24 episode that Brown commuted his sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The first thing Woods did after walking through the prison gates on Nov. 30 was take in the view of the San Francisco Bay and of the ocean “as far as the eye can see.” An episode featured his first moments as a free man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, he’s been noticing new styles, like women everywhere in yoga pants, and people walking through the streets with their heads bowed. He quickly realized they were looking at their smartphones, which didn’t exist when he started his sentence in 1997.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Woods has also spent time people-watching at a high-end department store, visited Disneyland and recently made eggs for the first time in two decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The fourth season of \u003cem>Ear Hustle\u003c/em>, which will be released this summer, will feature stories of his re-entry to society and interviews with other inmates released after long sentences. He and Poor also plan to visit maximum-security prisons and tell the stories of prisoners there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lot of people that’s in there that should be out,” Woods said. “I created a podcast, but I’m not the exception.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13847946/california-inmate-takes-unlikely-path-to-freedom-podcasting","authors":["byline_arts_13847946"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_835","arts_235"],"tags":["arts_1893","arts_3837","arts_5891"],"featImg":"arts_13428656","label":"arts"},"arts_13428651":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13428651","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13428651","score":null,"sort":[1497477622000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"producer-of-ear-hustle-radiotopias-new-podcast-on-the-reality-of-prison-life","title":"Producer of 'Ear Hustle,' Radiotopia's New Podcast, On the Reality of Prison Life","publishDate":1497477622,"format":"image","headTitle":"Producer of ‘Ear Hustle,’ Radiotopia’s New Podcast, On the Reality of Prison Life | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":1029,"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>Prison strips away the humanity of its residents. Prisoners lose the ability to vote and work like an average citizen, and finding help for any kind of health issues — physical or mental — can be hard. The media plays its part, too, by frequently presenting prisons as “human jungles” where the cruel and devious dominate. \u003ca href=\"https://www.rienner.com/uploads/55cb93a986f33.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Desensitized by the portrayals\u003c/a> of prison in movies and TV, we tend to focus on the abnormal, like shanks and “tossing salad,” instead of realities such as high \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-zoukis/report-documents-us-recid_b_9542312.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">recidivism rates\u003c/a> and the \u003ca href=\"http://humantollofjail.vera.org/the-family-jail-cycle/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">impacts of incarceration on families\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003ca href=\"https://www.earhustlesq.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ear Hustle,\u003c/a>\u003c/i> a \u003ca href=\"https://blog.prx.org/2016/11/your-podquest-winner-ear-hustle/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">new podcast from Radiotopia\u003c/a>, provides the humane look at prison life we’ve been missing. Made by two inmates and a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmoma.org/author/nigel-poor/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">noted photographer\u003c/a>, each episode addresses a side of prison life that doesn’t get much attention. The first episode, released Wednesday, is all about cellmates, and the importance of finding the right person to share a 4-foot-by-9-foot cell with. When space is that cramped, even brothers have problems being around each other, as demonstrated by the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before the release of the first episode, we emailed questions to Nigel Poor, who produces the podcast with San Quentin inmates Antwan Williams and Earlonne Woods. A photography professor at California State University, Sacramento, Poor broke down how the podcast came together and why she began working with prisoners. \u003ci>(Interview edited for length and clarity.)\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What inspired you to start working with inmates at San Quentin?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My background is as a visual artist who investigates how people make a mark and leave behind evidence of their existence. I am interested in why and how we become the people we are and how we find meaning and connection. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I came to prison work as a volunteer professor teaching a history of photography class for the Prison University Project. I always knew that photography and talking about the inner meaning of images was a powerful bridge to connect people. Talking about photography with the men in my classes at San Quentin allowed us to speak on so many important subjects, and it made me realize how many important stories there were behind the prison walls. I wanted to dive into that and find a way to collaborate with men inside. That is what started my interest and led to the podcast. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I started teaching in San Quentin in 2011, and in late 2012 I began working with a group of men inside the San Quentin media lab producing radio stories about life inside prison. Originally, they were meant to just air on the prison’s closed-circuit station, but KALW heard about what we were doing and started airing the shows on their program \u003cem>Crosscurrents\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13428656\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Poor, Williams and Woods in a story pitch session\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13428656\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Poor, Williams and Woods in a story pitch session. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Radiotopia)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What limitations/barriers have you run into while trying to assist inmates in telling their stories?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Time, and the fact that prison is a very unpredictable place — there can be lockdowns that occur and in that case the men are confined to their housing units, so we are not able to work. Also, everything inside prison takes time and there are all sorts of protocols that need to be followed. The administration’s first objective is to keep the prison safe, so our needs and deadlines are not a priority. We need to work within a complex framework. If you cannot be patient, persistent and polite you will not make it far as an outsider trying to work within the prison system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How did you meet Antwan Williams and Earlonne Woods? What made you want to work with them?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I met Antwan & Earlonne in 2012 when I started working on the \u003cem>San Quentin Prison Report\u003c/em>. While working on the radio project I became interested in doing different kinds of stories that weren’t so news oriented. Earlonne and I started talking about doing a podcast that would allow us to work more like artists and less like journalists. Music was deeply important, we wanted to do work that used sound design and music, almost as a character in the story. So we asked Antwan to join us as the sound designer. We felt like a podcast allows us more freedom to work creatively, experiment with more impressionistic storytelling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you see as the goal of the podcast? What made you want to pursue that goal?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I am interested in how people find meaning and purpose. It seems to me everyone has the ability to contribute and be a productive citizen. When I first started going inside I was struck not only by the number of men inside but also by the intelligence, ingenuity and passion to learn. \u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13428653\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-800x800.jpg\" alt=\"'Ear Hustle' logo\" width=\"800\" height=\"800\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13428653\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-800x800.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-160x160.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-768x768.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-1020x1020.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-1180x1180.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-960x960.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-240x240.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-375x375.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-520x520.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-32x32.jpg 32w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-50x50.jpg 50w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-64x64.jpg 64w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-96x96.jpg 96w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-128x128.jpg 128w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">‘Ear Hustle’ logo\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I am also an advocate for prison reform. To quote Antwan “If people don’t know exactly who it is that’s incarcerated — if they don’t know people on a personal level — it’s hard to care about the laws that dictate the lives in here.” It is my great hope that our podcast will be able to put a human face on those who are behind bars and through doing that be part of the very complicated conversation around prison reform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And finally, for me a big part of wanting to do this project is to mirror the possibility that incarcerated and non-incarcerated people can work together as equal and professional colleagues. Earlonne, Antwan and I have an excellent working relationship — we get along well, respect each other’s abilities and creative input and push each other to be better.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What should listeners expect with future episodes? What should they not expect?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Our stories concentrate on the everyday experience of people inside — we are looking at complex issues through the smaller details of life. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some stories we are working on:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Having pets in prison\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Celebrating special occasions\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Family visits\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Race relations\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Cooking\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>The relationship between correctional officers and incarcerated men\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Ministering on death row\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>How being in prison affects memory\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>We hope that our audience is varied and includes incarcerated people and their families, the formerly incarcerated, people interested in criminal justice issues, and those interested in stories about the complexity of being human. We are not a “true crime story” podcast, but we hope that people who are interested in that genre will tune in. We can offer a more nuanced view of those in the criminal justice system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13428652\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"Copy of the 'Ear Hustle' business card\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13428652\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-240x135.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-375x211.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-520x292.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card.jpg 920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Copy of the ‘Ear Hustle’ business card. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Radiotopia)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What have you learned from spending time in San Quentin?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have spent the last 25 plus years working as a visual artist, trying to explore ideas through solo work in my studio. Coming together with the men inside San Quentin has been a powerful lesson in the importance of collaboration, negotiation and flexibility. As I said earlier, you cannot count on anything inside prison except the fact that most everything is out of one’s control; you always have to be ready to pivot. That leads to very creative problem-solving which feeds positively into everything one does in life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On a deeper more human level, I have had the pleasure of getting to know a group of people who some years ago were only caricatures formed in my mind through bad films, TV and shoddy news coverage. I have had many assumptions challenged and have had to re-examine tough issues that I might have breezed by before. I believe it is important for us to live in a place of not knowing, to understand that it isn’t always good to hold on to beliefs too tightly. To grow and to contribute means to understand that no matter how old we are, we should always be in a place of learning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A new podcast produced in part by two inmates in San Quentin provides a more nuanced, realistic look at prison life.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705030348,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":25,"wordCount":1325},"headData":{"title":"Producer of 'Ear Hustle,' Radiotopia's New Podcast, On the Reality of Prison Life | KQED","description":"A new podcast produced in part by two inmates in San Quentin provides a more nuanced, realistic look at prison life.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"sticky":false,"path":"/arts/13428651/producer-of-ear-hustle-radiotopias-new-podcast-on-the-reality-of-prison-life","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Prison strips away the humanity of its residents. Prisoners lose the ability to vote and work like an average citizen, and finding help for any kind of health issues — physical or mental — can be hard. The media plays its part, too, by frequently presenting prisons as “human jungles” where the cruel and devious dominate. \u003ca href=\"https://www.rienner.com/uploads/55cb93a986f33.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Desensitized by the portrayals\u003c/a> of prison in movies and TV, we tend to focus on the abnormal, like shanks and “tossing salad,” instead of realities such as high \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-zoukis/report-documents-us-recid_b_9542312.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">recidivism rates\u003c/a> and the \u003ca href=\"http://humantollofjail.vera.org/the-family-jail-cycle/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">impacts of incarceration on families\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003ca href=\"https://www.earhustlesq.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ear Hustle,\u003c/a>\u003c/i> a \u003ca href=\"https://blog.prx.org/2016/11/your-podquest-winner-ear-hustle/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">new podcast from Radiotopia\u003c/a>, provides the humane look at prison life we’ve been missing. Made by two inmates and a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmoma.org/author/nigel-poor/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">noted photographer\u003c/a>, each episode addresses a side of prison life that doesn’t get much attention. The first episode, released Wednesday, is all about cellmates, and the importance of finding the right person to share a 4-foot-by-9-foot cell with. When space is that cramped, even brothers have problems being around each other, as demonstrated by the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before the release of the first episode, we emailed questions to Nigel Poor, who produces the podcast with San Quentin inmates Antwan Williams and Earlonne Woods. A photography professor at California State University, Sacramento, Poor broke down how the podcast came together and why she began working with prisoners. \u003ci>(Interview edited for length and clarity.)\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What inspired you to start working with inmates at San Quentin?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My background is as a visual artist who investigates how people make a mark and leave behind evidence of their existence. I am interested in why and how we become the people we are and how we find meaning and connection. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I came to prison work as a volunteer professor teaching a history of photography class for the Prison University Project. I always knew that photography and talking about the inner meaning of images was a powerful bridge to connect people. Talking about photography with the men in my classes at San Quentin allowed us to speak on so many important subjects, and it made me realize how many important stories there were behind the prison walls. I wanted to dive into that and find a way to collaborate with men inside. That is what started my interest and led to the podcast. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I started teaching in San Quentin in 2011, and in late 2012 I began working with a group of men inside the San Quentin media lab producing radio stories about life inside prison. Originally, they were meant to just air on the prison’s closed-circuit station, but KALW heard about what we were doing and started airing the shows on their program \u003cem>Crosscurrents\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13428656\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Poor, Williams and Woods in a story pitch session\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13428656\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Story-pitch-session-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Poor, Williams and Woods in a story pitch session. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Radiotopia)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What limitations/barriers have you run into while trying to assist inmates in telling their stories?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Time, and the fact that prison is a very unpredictable place — there can be lockdowns that occur and in that case the men are confined to their housing units, so we are not able to work. Also, everything inside prison takes time and there are all sorts of protocols that need to be followed. The administration’s first objective is to keep the prison safe, so our needs and deadlines are not a priority. We need to work within a complex framework. If you cannot be patient, persistent and polite you will not make it far as an outsider trying to work within the prison system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How did you meet Antwan Williams and Earlonne Woods? What made you want to work with them?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I met Antwan & Earlonne in 2012 when I started working on the \u003cem>San Quentin Prison Report\u003c/em>. While working on the radio project I became interested in doing different kinds of stories that weren’t so news oriented. Earlonne and I started talking about doing a podcast that would allow us to work more like artists and less like journalists. Music was deeply important, we wanted to do work that used sound design and music, almost as a character in the story. So we asked Antwan to join us as the sound designer. We felt like a podcast allows us more freedom to work creatively, experiment with more impressionistic storytelling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you see as the goal of the podcast? What made you want to pursue that goal?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I am interested in how people find meaning and purpose. It seems to me everyone has the ability to contribute and be a productive citizen. When I first started going inside I was struck not only by the number of men inside but also by the intelligence, ingenuity and passion to learn. \u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13428653\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-800x800.jpg\" alt=\"'Ear Hustle' logo\" width=\"800\" height=\"800\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13428653\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-800x800.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-160x160.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-768x768.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-1020x1020.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-1180x1180.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-960x960.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-240x240.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-375x375.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-520x520.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-32x32.jpg 32w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-50x50.jpg 50w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-64x64.jpg 64w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-96x96.jpg 96w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-128x128.jpg 128w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/EH-Logo-3000x3000-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">‘Ear Hustle’ logo\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I am also an advocate for prison reform. To quote Antwan “If people don’t know exactly who it is that’s incarcerated — if they don’t know people on a personal level — it’s hard to care about the laws that dictate the lives in here.” It is my great hope that our podcast will be able to put a human face on those who are behind bars and through doing that be part of the very complicated conversation around prison reform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And finally, for me a big part of wanting to do this project is to mirror the possibility that incarcerated and non-incarcerated people can work together as equal and professional colleagues. Earlonne, Antwan and I have an excellent working relationship — we get along well, respect each other’s abilities and creative input and push each other to be better.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What should listeners expect with future episodes? What should they not expect?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Our stories concentrate on the everyday experience of people inside — we are looking at complex issues through the smaller details of life. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some stories we are working on:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Having pets in prison\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Celebrating special occasions\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Family visits\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Race relations\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Cooking\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>The relationship between correctional officers and incarcerated men\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Ministering on death row\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>How being in prison affects memory\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>We hope that our audience is varied and includes incarcerated people and their families, the formerly incarcerated, people interested in criminal justice issues, and those interested in stories about the complexity of being human. We are not a “true crime story” podcast, but we hope that people who are interested in that genre will tune in. We can offer a more nuanced view of those in the criminal justice system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13428652\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"Copy of the 'Ear Hustle' business card\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13428652\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-240x135.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-375x211.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card-520x292.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/Copy-of-Ear-Hustle-biz-card.jpg 920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Copy of the ‘Ear Hustle’ business card. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Radiotopia)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What have you learned from spending time in San Quentin?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have spent the last 25 plus years working as a visual artist, trying to explore ideas through solo work in my studio. Coming together with the men inside San Quentin has been a powerful lesson in the importance of collaboration, negotiation and flexibility. As I said earlier, you cannot count on anything inside prison except the fact that most everything is out of one’s control; you always have to be ready to pivot. That leads to very creative problem-solving which feeds positively into everything one does in life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On a deeper more human level, I have had the pleasure of getting to know a group of people who some years ago were only caricatures formed in my mind through bad films, TV and shoddy news coverage. I have had many assumptions challenged and have had to re-examine tough issues that I might have breezed by before. I believe it is important for us to live in a place of not knowing, to understand that it isn’t always good to hold on to beliefs too tightly. To grow and to contribute means to understand that no matter how old we are, we should always be in a place of learning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-400x39.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-768x75.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13428651/producer-of-ear-hustle-radiotopias-new-podcast-on-the-reality-of-prison-life","authors":["93"],"series":["arts_1029"],"categories":["arts_71"],"tags":["arts_1893","arts_1118","arts_596","arts_989","arts_12987"],"featImg":"arts_13428650","label":"arts_1029"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. 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