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Comedians like \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqg8-qCXKz8\">Chris Rock\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt_s0qeRdkw\">Joe Rogan\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://titsandsass.com/category/tina-fey-hates-sex-workers/\">Tina Fey\u003c/a> have indulged in various degrees of stripper shaming, and stereotypes about the rough and ready lives of dancers have long been a staple of cop shows and movies like \u003cem>I Know Who Killed Me\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Powder Blue\u003c/em> and \u003cem>The Wrestler\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Traditionally, portrayals of dancers are either women who are drug-addicted, or who obviously have major daddy issues,\" Nicki [not her real name] a San Francisco dancer, says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the gulf between representations of pole dancers and reality has narrowed in recent years, thanks in part to the 2008 founding of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.polesports.org/\">International Pole Sports Federation\u003c/a>—an organization set up to standardize rules around competitive pole dancing, and lobby to include pole sports in the Olympics. Its existence has allowed pole dancing the relatively new luxury of being seen as a legitimate skill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That skill is something that Nicki knows firsthand. \"The women I've had the pleasure of working with over the years are all incredible,\" she says. \"This job can make you feel invincible.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amanda Ortiz echoes the sentiment. After getting a job on the front desk at fitness center \u003ca href=\"https://sfpoleanddance.com/\">San Francisco Pole and Dance\u003c/a> a year ago, Ortiz, a PhD. student, fell in love with pole dancing. \"It was during a rough time in my life and I saw the effects pole dancing had on women and men of all backgrounds,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ortiz estimates that everyone who tries a class leaves with much more respect for those who dance professionally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It is probably some of the hardest work ever,\" she says, \"and the best teachers are always current or former strippers. Everyone here is funny, kind and encouraging. I do think that the stigma is reducing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-kllxaNAI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still others have mixed feelings about pole dancing going mainstream. Alexis Brooks danced in strip clubs for 13 years, stopping only after the combination of sky-high heels and a slippery tile floor at work caused her to break an ankle. She says that pole dancing on a sporting stage can give people unrealistic expectations: \"People have to realize that nine times out of ten, they aren't going to see that level of pole dancing at the club. We don't have trainers and hours to perfect our moves.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brooks is happy, however, to see more variety in popular depictions of pole dancing. \"Traditionally, we're seen as either super glamorous and raking in the dough, or at rock bottom,\" she says. \"The reality is somewhere in between.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cardi B's NSFW \"Money\" video, then, might be the closest that mainstream culture has come to accurate commentary on the lives of pole dancers. In it, she honors her own past working in strip clubs—a job she says \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzfcNl-o9bI\">saved her\u003c/a> from a \"boyfriend who was beating my ass\"—presenting it as serious work with major financial benefits. \"People want me to be so full of shame that I used to dance,\" Cardi \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/dec/01/how-cardi-b-went-from-stripper-to-star\">told \u003cem>The Guardian\u003c/em>\u003c/a> in 2017. \"I learned a lot. I would never be ashamed of it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUOh09GoQgk\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Indeed, the shift in the public perception of pole dancing has been most visible in music videos. While early on, artists like like Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg used pole dancing as a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZXc39hT8t4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">means for objectification\u003c/a>, within a decade it was socially acceptable enough for the decidedly non-edgy Enrique Iglesias to include in his video for \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJAUuicC0Q\">Dirty Dancer\u003c/a>.\" In 2013, Bruno Mars put pole dancing at the center of a love triangle in the \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHDtXqjgEj4\">Gorilla\u003c/a>\" video, and, a year later, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk1ZO_980DI\">Ne-Yo\u003c/a> put dancers in mundane, everyday settings as a suggestion that it was something even middle-aged housewives and mousey librarians could enjoy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then came Rihanna and Beyoncé including poles in their respective videos for \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehcVomMexkY\">Pour It Up\u003c/a>\" and \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ12_E5R3qc\">Partition\u003c/a>,\" and ideas shifted about just who pole dancing was for. Their reframing of pole dancing, from entertainment for men to empowerment for women, not only opened doors for Cardi B but others—FKA Twigs recently used it to literally elevate her contemporary artistry to new, trippy heights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkLjqFpBh84&t=111s\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reality TV, too, has done a lot to normalize pole dancing. HBO's \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_String_Divas\">\u003cem>G String Divas\u003c/em>\u003c/a> started to de-stigmatize the job back in 2000, and today, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD-VzLfHZXQ\">\u003cem>Beyond The Pole\u003c/em>\u003c/a> shows the every day lives of professional dancers in Atlanta.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it's \u003cem>Keeping Up With The Kardashians \u003c/em>that did the most to take pole dancing mainstream. When 2007's Season 1 first showed a pole in Kris and Bruce's bedroom, it seemed risqué and over-the-top. When then-tweens Kendall and Kylie played on it—prompting Robin Antin to tell Kylie she was a \"future Pussycat Doll\"—it simultaneously caused a mountain of controversy and somehow made a pole at home seem somewhat mundane. By 2014, Kris, Kim and their friends were taking a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gqb7ECJnoA\">pole dancing class\u003c/a> on the show together—a relatively new form of exercise that has since boomed in popularity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The pinnacle of pole dancing's mainstream acceptance arrives September 13 with the movie \u003cem>Hustlers\u003c/em>, starring Jennifer Lopez, Constance Wu and Cardi B as a group of strip club employees banding together to \"turn the tables on their Wall Street clients.\" The movie, based on a \u003ca href=\"https://www.thecut.com/2015/12/robin-hood-strippers-scores-c-v-r.html#_ga=2.96829916.2122431926.1556836402-1366781981.1518059390\">\u003cem>New York Magazine\u003c/em> article\u003c/a> about real-life dancers who swindled their richest clients out of thousands of dollars, is something that Nicki, the dancer from San Francisco, looks forward to seeing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Pole dancing really is an art form when it's done well,\" she says. \"It is getting easier to see that dancing isn't just some seedy, taboo thing, as more women in the spotlight are embracing it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She pauses, thinks about her request for anonymity, and adds: \"When we get to the point where I can use my real name in an article like this, \u003cem>that\u003c/em> will really be something.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Before pole dancing hits the big screen in 'Hustlers,' we ask professionals and amateurs alike their views on the strip club staple going mainstream.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1563384081,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":20,"wordCount":1070},"headData":{"title":"Before 'Hustlers': How Pole Dancing Broke Into the Mainstream | KQED","description":"Before pole dancing hits the big screen in 'Hustlers,' we ask professionals and amateurs alike their views on the strip club staple going mainstream.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Before 'Hustlers': How Pole Dancing Broke Into the Mainstream","datePublished":"2019-07-17T17:00:49.000Z","dateModified":"2019-07-17T17:21:21.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"111463 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=111463","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/07/17/before-hustlers-how-pole-dancing-broke-into-the-mainstream/","disqusTitle":"Before 'Hustlers': How Pole Dancing Broke Into the Mainstream","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/pop/111463/before-hustlers-how-pole-dancing-broke-into-the-mainstream","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>In \u003cem>Crazy Stupid Love\u003c/em>, Ryan Gosling, playing a know-it-all lothario, shares an opinion. \"We won the sex war,\" he says, \"after women started doing pole dancing for exercise.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Finding pop-culture examples of pole dancing being stigmatized is not a struggle. Comedians like \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqg8-qCXKz8\">Chris Rock\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt_s0qeRdkw\">Joe Rogan\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://titsandsass.com/category/tina-fey-hates-sex-workers/\">Tina Fey\u003c/a> have indulged in various degrees of stripper shaming, and stereotypes about the rough and ready lives of dancers have long been a staple of cop shows and movies like \u003cem>I Know Who Killed Me\u003c/em>, \u003cem>Powder Blue\u003c/em> and \u003cem>The Wrestler\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Traditionally, portrayals of dancers are either women who are drug-addicted, or who obviously have major daddy issues,\" Nicki [not her real name] a San Francisco dancer, says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the gulf between representations of pole dancers and reality has narrowed in recent years, thanks in part to the 2008 founding of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.polesports.org/\">International Pole Sports Federation\u003c/a>—an organization set up to standardize rules around competitive pole dancing, and lobby to include pole sports in the Olympics. Its existence has allowed pole dancing the relatively new luxury of being seen as a legitimate skill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That skill is something that Nicki knows firsthand. \"The women I've had the pleasure of working with over the years are all incredible,\" she says. \"This job can make you feel invincible.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amanda Ortiz echoes the sentiment. After getting a job on the front desk at fitness center \u003ca href=\"https://sfpoleanddance.com/\">San Francisco Pole and Dance\u003c/a> a year ago, Ortiz, a PhD. student, fell in love with pole dancing. \"It was during a rough time in my life and I saw the effects pole dancing had on women and men of all backgrounds,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ortiz estimates that everyone who tries a class leaves with much more respect for those who dance professionally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It is probably some of the hardest work ever,\" she says, \"and the best teachers are always current or former strippers. Everyone here is funny, kind and encouraging. I do think that the stigma is reducing.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/lw-kllxaNAI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/lw-kllxaNAI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Still others have mixed feelings about pole dancing going mainstream. Alexis Brooks danced in strip clubs for 13 years, stopping only after the combination of sky-high heels and a slippery tile floor at work caused her to break an ankle. She says that pole dancing on a sporting stage can give people unrealistic expectations: \"People have to realize that nine times out of ten, they aren't going to see that level of pole dancing at the club. We don't have trainers and hours to perfect our moves.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brooks is happy, however, to see more variety in popular depictions of pole dancing. \"Traditionally, we're seen as either super glamorous and raking in the dough, or at rock bottom,\" she says. \"The reality is somewhere in between.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cardi B's NSFW \"Money\" video, then, might be the closest that mainstream culture has come to accurate commentary on the lives of pole dancers. In it, she honors her own past working in strip clubs—a job she says \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzfcNl-o9bI\">saved her\u003c/a> from a \"boyfriend who was beating my ass\"—presenting it as serious work with major financial benefits. \"People want me to be so full of shame that I used to dance,\" Cardi \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/dec/01/how-cardi-b-went-from-stripper-to-star\">told \u003cem>The Guardian\u003c/em>\u003c/a> in 2017. \"I learned a lot. I would never be ashamed of it.”\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/zUOh09GoQgk'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/zUOh09GoQgk'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Indeed, the shift in the public perception of pole dancing has been most visible in music videos. While early on, artists like like Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg used pole dancing as a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZXc39hT8t4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">means for objectification\u003c/a>, within a decade it was socially acceptable enough for the decidedly non-edgy Enrique Iglesias to include in his video for \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJAUuicC0Q\">Dirty Dancer\u003c/a>.\" In 2013, Bruno Mars put pole dancing at the center of a love triangle in the \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHDtXqjgEj4\">Gorilla\u003c/a>\" video, and, a year later, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk1ZO_980DI\">Ne-Yo\u003c/a> put dancers in mundane, everyday settings as a suggestion that it was something even middle-aged housewives and mousey librarians could enjoy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then came Rihanna and Beyoncé including poles in their respective videos for \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehcVomMexkY\">Pour It Up\u003c/a>\" and \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ12_E5R3qc\">Partition\u003c/a>,\" and ideas shifted about just who pole dancing was for. Their reframing of pole dancing, from entertainment for men to empowerment for women, not only opened doors for Cardi B but others—FKA Twigs recently used it to literally elevate her contemporary artistry to new, trippy heights.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/YkLjqFpBh84'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/YkLjqFpBh84'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Reality TV, too, has done a lot to normalize pole dancing. HBO's \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_String_Divas\">\u003cem>G String Divas\u003c/em>\u003c/a> started to de-stigmatize the job back in 2000, and today, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD-VzLfHZXQ\">\u003cem>Beyond The Pole\u003c/em>\u003c/a> shows the every day lives of professional dancers in Atlanta.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it's \u003cem>Keeping Up With The Kardashians \u003c/em>that did the most to take pole dancing mainstream. When 2007's Season 1 first showed a pole in Kris and Bruce's bedroom, it seemed risqué and over-the-top. When then-tweens Kendall and Kylie played on it—prompting Robin Antin to tell Kylie she was a \"future Pussycat Doll\"—it simultaneously caused a mountain of controversy and somehow made a pole at home seem somewhat mundane. By 2014, Kris, Kim and their friends were taking a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gqb7ECJnoA\">pole dancing class\u003c/a> on the show together—a relatively new form of exercise that has since boomed in popularity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The pinnacle of pole dancing's mainstream acceptance arrives September 13 with the movie \u003cem>Hustlers\u003c/em>, starring Jennifer Lopez, Constance Wu and Cardi B as a group of strip club employees banding together to \"turn the tables on their Wall Street clients.\" The movie, based on a \u003ca href=\"https://www.thecut.com/2015/12/robin-hood-strippers-scores-c-v-r.html#_ga=2.96829916.2122431926.1556836402-1366781981.1518059390\">\u003cem>New York Magazine\u003c/em> article\u003c/a> about real-life dancers who swindled their richest clients out of thousands of dollars, is something that Nicki, the dancer from San Francisco, looks forward to seeing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Pole dancing really is an art form when it's done well,\" she says. \"It is getting easier to see that dancing isn't just some seedy, taboo thing, as more women in the spotlight are embracing it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She pauses, thinks about her request for anonymity, and adds: \"When we get to the point where I can use my real name in an article like this, \u003cem>that\u003c/em> will really be something.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/111463/before-hustlers-how-pole-dancing-broke-into-the-mainstream","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_51","pop_4"],"tags":["pop_465","pop_3121","pop_3071","pop_3602","pop_3603","pop_3341","pop_3601","pop_213","pop_3649","pop_3650","pop_2822","pop_466"],"featImg":"pop_112783","label":"pop"},"pop_111318":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_111318","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"111318","score":null,"sort":[1560168228000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"what-lori-loughlin-and-felicity-huffman-can-learn-from-martha-stewart","title":"What Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman Can Learn From Martha Stewart","publishDate":1560168228,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Martha Stewart feels bad for Felicity Huffman, Lori Loughlin and all the other rich folks potentially facing prison time for trying to buy their kids into prestigious colleges. \"I just feel sorry for them,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.etonline.com/martha-stewart-on-lori-loughlin-and-felicity-huffmans-legal-drama-i-just-feel-sorry-for-them-123927\">Stewart told \u003cem>ET\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"They might have made a bad mistake.\" It's the second time Stewart has expressed sympathy for the accused, saying previously: \"It's just embarrassing for a family to go through what they're going through and horrifying that it even occurred. It's a sad thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stewart knows all the sadness that comes with mistakes wealthy people sometimes make. Fifteen years ago, after a seven-week trial, she was found guilty of multiple charges related to insider trading. She ultimately served five months in a West Virginia \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Alderson\">Federal Prison Camp\u003c/a> and five months under electronic monitoring. (Is being under house arrest even a punishment if you're Martha Stewart?) She was also fined $30,000 and banned from acting as a director, CEO or CFO for five years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_111329\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-111329\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-800x536.jpg\" alt=\"The Dinner Bell restaurant welcomes Martha Stewart to prison in Alderson, West Virginia, October 2004. \" width=\"800\" height=\"536\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-800x536.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-768x515.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-1020x683.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-1200x804.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-1920x1286.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Dinner Bell restaurant welcomes Martha Stewart to prison in Alderson, West Virginia, October 2004. \u003ccite>(Joe Raedle/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, her selling all of her ImClone shares, after her broker informed her they were about to drop in value, saved her just under $50,000. It was seen by some as an inconsequential drop in a vast sea of Wall Street immorality. (Enron, after all, had only happened three years prior.) The press, however, was having none of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time, criminal defense lawyer, Scott Turow wrote \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/27/opinion/cry-no-tears-for-martha-stewart.html\">in the \u003cem>New York Times\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>:\u003c/em> \"There was some poor schmo (or schmoes) out there who bought her shares. Those buyers, no matter how diligent... could not have known what Martha Stewart did... Martha Stewart ripped her buyers off as certainly as if she'd sold them silk sheets that she knew were actually synthetic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-111323 alignright\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/Screen-Shot-2019-04-24-at-12.34.15-PM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"167\" height=\"219\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/Screen-Shot-2019-04-24-at-12.34.15-PM.png 167w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/Screen-Shot-2019-04-24-at-12.34.15-PM-160x210.png 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 167px) 100vw, 167px\">While views varied about whether Martha Stewart deserved what was coming to her (Rosie O'Donnell referred to the melee as a \u003ca href=\"https://people.com/archive/tell-it-to-the-jury-vol-61-no-4/\">\"bitch hunt,\"\u003c/a> saying: \"they are trying to rip down this woman\"), opinion was certainly unified when it came to predicting the end of Martha Stewart's once-pristine empire. Everyone agreed that there was no way the career of the most famous homemaker in America could recover from the stain of prison time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After Martha's conviction, Keith Naughton \u003ca href=\"https://www.newsweek.com/marthas-fall-124093\">wrote in \u003cem>Newsweek\u003c/em>\u003c/a>: \"The question now is, will anyone ever want to talk to, or buy anything from, Martha Stewart again? Her once solid-gold name is now a lead weight, business experts say.\" The same article quoted Jeff Swystun, a brand consultant saying, \"The parent company has got to distance itself from Martha Stewart the person pretty quickly. They've got to drop her name from everything that hits the customer.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Celebrity crisis manager Howard Bragman recently made a similar prediction about Lori Loughlin, whose reputation before her arrest was also rooted in the same squeaky-clean values that had been Martha Stewart's bread and butter. While \u003ca href=\"https://www.insideedition.com/will-felicity-huffman-and-lori-loughlins-careers-recover-51383\">talking to \u003c/a>\u003cem>Inside Edition, \u003c/em>Bragman said: \"I do think Lori actually has a harder time to recover—she is Aunt Becky, she is all-American, very mainstream.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So was Martha Stewart. But the most remarkable thing she did after serving her time was to flip the narrative—and she did it fast. In the eyes of the public, Martha Stewart went to prison an uptight, prissy, rich, white lady who took advantage of her privilege. But she came out talking openly about her prison nickname (\"\u003ca href=\"https://people.com/celebrity/martha-my-prison-nickname-was-m-diddy/\">M. Diddy\u003c/a>\"), with a newfound sense of humor (which we hadn't much seen from her before) and an ironic sort of street cred that enabled her to join forces with Snoop Dogg and form the world's most unlikely cooking duo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeEo72j0Wk\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The flip was so effective—and she has been so good at sticking to the new narrative (\u003ca href=\"https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/martha-stewart-says-she-can-573438\">\"Of course I know how to roll a joint,\"\u003c/a> she told Andy Cohen in 2013)—that everyone has long since forgotten about all that ugly privilege stuff, which is something both Huffman and Loughlin are going to have a tough time shaking off if they can't figure out similar strategies. After all, the shame pile being heaped on them is now so huge, \u003ca href=\"https://hollywoodlife.com/2019/04/20/kim-kardashian-lori-loughlin-felicity-huffman-college-drama-interview-video-watch/\">even Kim Kardashian\u003c/a> has seized the opportunity to look humble by comparison. \"If they couldn’t get into a school,\" she told Van Jones, about her own children, \"I would never want to use privilege to try to force them into a situation that they wouldn’t thrive… I just want my kids to be as grounded as possible.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Felicity Huffman has pleaded guilty, thereby avoiding money laundering charges, but is now facing a four-month prison sentence and a $20,000 fine. Lori Loughlin has opted to decline a plea deal and fight to prove her innocence. Since posting bail, Huffman has taken down her \u003ca href=\"https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2019/03/15/what-the-flicka-felicity-huffman-appears-to-take-down-parenting-website/23693341/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANiNlLnpWcDhEBwvlQRZYJFKhJv3uKQHC6EXcwYNI1Kwmh3-WVXekXNw9AYRcmIAVC3-K95T2BFn6wIx27D3YjIUd-4ivTW-l_dLoaYpyv0HxP7d0Bd6GEurW2Mq0QxyJ0fD3ZacaooETlAnwQF4PlerVsngI4YrPZqD7QtGpeZo\">parenting blog\u003c/a>, Loughlin has been \u003ca href=\"https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-dropped-sephora-college-admissions-scandal/\">dropped\u003c/a> from her Hallmark and Netflix projects, and both women have scrubbed their social media accounts as they wait for the wave of public derision to pass. They are smart to keep low profiles until their court cases are over, but, if their careers are ever to bounce back, both women must prepare to run towards the controversy, rhetorical guns blazing, the second they are able to. If Martha Stewart can recover by using that exact same strategy, frankly, anybody can.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman might have a chance to resuscitate their careers if they follow Martha Stewart's lead.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1560192299,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":921},"headData":{"title":"What Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman Can Learn From Martha Stewart | KQED","description":"Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman might have a chance to resuscitate their careers if they follow Martha Stewart's lead.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"What Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman Can Learn From Martha Stewart","datePublished":"2019-06-10T12:03:48.000Z","dateModified":"2019-06-10T18:44:59.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"111318 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=111318","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/06/10/what-lori-loughlin-and-felicity-huffman-can-learn-from-martha-stewart/","disqusTitle":"What Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman Can Learn From Martha Stewart","path":"/pop/111318/what-lori-loughlin-and-felicity-huffman-can-learn-from-martha-stewart","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Martha Stewart feels bad for Felicity Huffman, Lori Loughlin and all the other rich folks potentially facing prison time for trying to buy their kids into prestigious colleges. \"I just feel sorry for them,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.etonline.com/martha-stewart-on-lori-loughlin-and-felicity-huffmans-legal-drama-i-just-feel-sorry-for-them-123927\">Stewart told \u003cem>ET\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"They might have made a bad mistake.\" It's the second time Stewart has expressed sympathy for the accused, saying previously: \"It's just embarrassing for a family to go through what they're going through and horrifying that it even occurred. It's a sad thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stewart knows all the sadness that comes with mistakes wealthy people sometimes make. Fifteen years ago, after a seven-week trial, she was found guilty of multiple charges related to insider trading. She ultimately served five months in a West Virginia \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Alderson\">Federal Prison Camp\u003c/a> and five months under electronic monitoring. (Is being under house arrest even a punishment if you're Martha Stewart?) She was also fined $30,000 and banned from acting as a director, CEO or CFO for five years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_111329\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-111329\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-800x536.jpg\" alt=\"The Dinner Bell restaurant welcomes Martha Stewart to prison in Alderson, West Virginia, October 2004. \" width=\"800\" height=\"536\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-800x536.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-768x515.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-1020x683.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-1200x804.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758-1920x1286.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/GettyImages-51442758.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Dinner Bell restaurant welcomes Martha Stewart to prison in Alderson, West Virginia, October 2004. \u003ccite>(Joe Raedle/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, her selling all of her ImClone shares, after her broker informed her they were about to drop in value, saved her just under $50,000. It was seen by some as an inconsequential drop in a vast sea of Wall Street immorality. (Enron, after all, had only happened three years prior.) The press, however, was having none of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time, criminal defense lawyer, Scott Turow wrote \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/27/opinion/cry-no-tears-for-martha-stewart.html\">in the \u003cem>New York Times\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>:\u003c/em> \"There was some poor schmo (or schmoes) out there who bought her shares. Those buyers, no matter how diligent... could not have known what Martha Stewart did... Martha Stewart ripped her buyers off as certainly as if she'd sold them silk sheets that she knew were actually synthetic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-111323 alignright\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/Screen-Shot-2019-04-24-at-12.34.15-PM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"167\" height=\"219\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/Screen-Shot-2019-04-24-at-12.34.15-PM.png 167w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/Screen-Shot-2019-04-24-at-12.34.15-PM-160x210.png 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 167px) 100vw, 167px\">While views varied about whether Martha Stewart deserved what was coming to her (Rosie O'Donnell referred to the melee as a \u003ca href=\"https://people.com/archive/tell-it-to-the-jury-vol-61-no-4/\">\"bitch hunt,\"\u003c/a> saying: \"they are trying to rip down this woman\"), opinion was certainly unified when it came to predicting the end of Martha Stewart's once-pristine empire. Everyone agreed that there was no way the career of the most famous homemaker in America could recover from the stain of prison time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After Martha's conviction, Keith Naughton \u003ca href=\"https://www.newsweek.com/marthas-fall-124093\">wrote in \u003cem>Newsweek\u003c/em>\u003c/a>: \"The question now is, will anyone ever want to talk to, or buy anything from, Martha Stewart again? Her once solid-gold name is now a lead weight, business experts say.\" The same article quoted Jeff Swystun, a brand consultant saying, \"The parent company has got to distance itself from Martha Stewart the person pretty quickly. They've got to drop her name from everything that hits the customer.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Celebrity crisis manager Howard Bragman recently made a similar prediction about Lori Loughlin, whose reputation before her arrest was also rooted in the same squeaky-clean values that had been Martha Stewart's bread and butter. While \u003ca href=\"https://www.insideedition.com/will-felicity-huffman-and-lori-loughlins-careers-recover-51383\">talking to \u003c/a>\u003cem>Inside Edition, \u003c/em>Bragman said: \"I do think Lori actually has a harder time to recover—she is Aunt Becky, she is all-American, very mainstream.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So was Martha Stewart. But the most remarkable thing she did after serving her time was to flip the narrative—and she did it fast. In the eyes of the public, Martha Stewart went to prison an uptight, prissy, rich, white lady who took advantage of her privilege. But she came out talking openly about her prison nickname (\"\u003ca href=\"https://people.com/celebrity/martha-my-prison-nickname-was-m-diddy/\">M. Diddy\u003c/a>\"), with a newfound sense of humor (which we hadn't much seen from her before) and an ironic sort of street cred that enabled her to join forces with Snoop Dogg and form the world's most unlikely cooking duo.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/PBeEo72j0Wk'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/PBeEo72j0Wk'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>The flip was so effective—and she has been so good at sticking to the new narrative (\u003ca href=\"https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/martha-stewart-says-she-can-573438\">\"Of course I know how to roll a joint,\"\u003c/a> she told Andy Cohen in 2013)—that everyone has long since forgotten about all that ugly privilege stuff, which is something both Huffman and Loughlin are going to have a tough time shaking off if they can't figure out similar strategies. After all, the shame pile being heaped on them is now so huge, \u003ca href=\"https://hollywoodlife.com/2019/04/20/kim-kardashian-lori-loughlin-felicity-huffman-college-drama-interview-video-watch/\">even Kim Kardashian\u003c/a> has seized the opportunity to look humble by comparison. \"If they couldn’t get into a school,\" she told Van Jones, about her own children, \"I would never want to use privilege to try to force them into a situation that they wouldn’t thrive… I just want my kids to be as grounded as possible.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Felicity Huffman has pleaded guilty, thereby avoiding money laundering charges, but is now facing a four-month prison sentence and a $20,000 fine. Lori Loughlin has opted to decline a plea deal and fight to prove her innocence. Since posting bail, Huffman has taken down her \u003ca href=\"https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2019/03/15/what-the-flicka-felicity-huffman-appears-to-take-down-parenting-website/23693341/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANiNlLnpWcDhEBwvlQRZYJFKhJv3uKQHC6EXcwYNI1Kwmh3-WVXekXNw9AYRcmIAVC3-K95T2BFn6wIx27D3YjIUd-4ivTW-l_dLoaYpyv0HxP7d0Bd6GEurW2Mq0QxyJ0fD3ZacaooETlAnwQF4PlerVsngI4YrPZqD7QtGpeZo\">parenting blog\u003c/a>, Loughlin has been \u003ca href=\"https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-dropped-sephora-college-admissions-scandal/\">dropped\u003c/a> from her Hallmark and Netflix projects, and both women have scrubbed their social media accounts as they wait for the wave of public derision to pass. They are smart to keep low profiles until their court cases are over, but, if their careers are ever to bounce back, both women must prepare to run towards the controversy, rhetorical guns blazing, the second they are able to. If Martha Stewart can recover by using that exact same strategy, frankly, anybody can.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/111318/what-lori-loughlin-and-felicity-huffman-can-learn-from-martha-stewart","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_7","pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_3498","pop_1234","pop_3325","pop_3341","pop_3497","pop_3499","pop_2898","pop_1043","pop_466"],"featImg":"pop_111330","label":"pop"},"pop_33081":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_33081","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"33081","score":null,"sort":[1470853129000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"in-which-we-are-vaguely-depressed-about-snoop-dogg-and-martha-stewarts-cooking-show","title":"In Which We Are Vaguely Depressed About Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart's Cooking Show","publishDate":1470853129,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>In September 1993, the rapper then-known as Snoop Doggy Dogg was in the middle of what would prove to be the most fraught and controversial month of his entire career. He'd been \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-04/local/me-31460_1_rap-singer-snoop-doggy-dogg\">charged with murder\u003c/a>, and only turned himself in to the cops after he'd had the chance to award the Best R&B Video moonman to En Vogue at that year's VMAs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snoop was still up-and-coming at the time and to miss that prominent MTV spotlight, alongside his friend Dr. Dre, would've cost him some serious prime-time exposure. Legend has it, he drove to the police station to hand himself in directly from the award show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIjgofcuWU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, on the other side of the country, a tightly wound white lady by the name of Martha Stewart also found her public profile expanding. September 1993 was when her first TV show (named after her then-quarterly magazine) launched; little did she know that \u003ca href=\"http://www.tv.com/shows/martha-stewart-living/\">\u003cem>Martha Stewart Living\u003c/em>\u003c/a> was just the start of a multi-million dollar empire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the mid-1990s, the idea that Snoop and Martha would ever so much as be in the same room as each other was utterly laughable. Around the same time that a UK newspaper was splashing Snoop's mug next to the headline \"\u003ca href=\"http://cdn-03.independent.ie/incoming/article31254782.ece/f34fe/AUTOCROP/w620/Dg%20daily%20star.jpg\">KICK THIS EVIL BASTARD OUT!\u003c/a>\", Martha Stewart was puttering about in wood-paneled rooms, talking to a national audience of homemakers about \u003ca href=\"http://a%20national%20audience%20of%20homemakers.\">table centerpieces\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But here we are, two decades later, and the news that Martha and Snoop have just been hired by VH1 to host a cooking show together (titled \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/martha-stewart-snoop-dogg-vh1-dinner-party-1201832529/\">Martha & Snoop’s Dinner Party\u003c/a>\u003c/em>) doesn't actually seem completely insane. Which is, in and of itself, kind of insane. Maybe the world might look at these two very different humans, making this probably-comedic show together, and take it as an example of how success levels the social and cultural playing field ... but there's also something about \u003cem>Martha & Snoop's Dinner Party\u003c/em> that's a little depressing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After her arrest, 2004 conviction for insider trading, and subsequent prison sentence, Stewart had to shift some major gears before she could make her return to the public eye a successful one. Given that most of the people who liked her brand pre-jail-time declared her career over as soon as she was convicted, Stewart did the smartest thing she could: Post-release, she started juxtaposing her squeaky clean WASP image of old with a very palpable edge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snoop is not the kind of guest Martha Stewart could invite onto her show before she'd done some time, but a 2008 clip in which Snoop goes rogue on Martha as she's showing him how to make the most fattening mashed potatoes in the world remains a YouTube favorite. By the time the two got back together in 2015, under the guise of making Christmas brownies, the double act was almost entirely centered around \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pubH1prBf84\">weed jokes\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ocre0kXgvg\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last year also saw Stewart resorting to joining in on Comedy Central's \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V3PhXNNMGg\">roast of Justin Bieber\u003c/a>, even though her presence there made absolutely no sense whatsoever. \"Look!\" the joke seemed to be, \"Martha Stewart says mean things too! What a crazy badass!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snoop has, of course, also adapted and changed over the last 20 years, but it feels altogether more organic. The biggest shift for the rapper came 10 years into his career, when he was finally permitted to show the world that he had an endearingly dorky, highly self-aware sense of humor. This came in the form of MTV's\u003cem> \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSjf2M8xSIU\">Doggy Fizzle Televizzle\u003c/a>\u003c/em> in 2002 -- the first time he realized that people liked it when he put himself next to non-\"hood\" things and carried on being Snoop. (The first episode of \u003cem>Televizzle\u003c/em> put him in a bus full of senior citizens and gave him a microphone.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snoop's non-music profile peaked with the role of Huggy Bear in 2004's \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starsky_%26_Hutch_(film)\">\u003cem>Starsky & Hutch\u003c/em> \u003c/a>remake -- a role that was probably supposed to be amusing because pre-fame Snoop literally \u003ca href=\"http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/snoop-lion-opens-up-about-his-pimp-past-20130508\">worked as a pimp.\u003c/a> (\u003cem>Hilarious\u003c/em>, obviously.) Even with that in mind, he was still one of the best things in the movie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, Snoop's done everything from \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgjy-k5mOqA\">GPS voiceover\u003c/a> work to a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-OO324clObi3H-U0bP77dw\">GGN radio\u003c/a> show to inventing a new reggae-based persona for himself named \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MI3CKL4NMI\">Snoop Lion\u003c/a>. One gets the impression that Snoop has a hard time saying no to anything; that if something looks like it might be fun for him to do, and that he might make some money out of it, that's an automatic yes. His brand is far from delicate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Martha Stewart's reasoning for signing on to a cooking show co-hosted by Snoop Dogg looks considerably more contrived. Stewart's whole brand has been under siege for a few years now, thanks to new competition from high-end companies started by a new wave of rich-white-lady homemakers. It's clear she's feeling threatened: she's \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/martha-stewart-gwyneth-paltrow_n_5966142.html\">talked some sh*t\u003c/a> about \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/05/06/deep-breaths-a-dispatch-from-the-gwyneth-paltrow-industrial-complex/\" target=\"_blank\">Goop's Gwyneth Paltrow\u003c/a> several times, when she would be much better off trying to collaborate with her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To make matters worse, Martha is having difficulty keeping up her down-with-the-kids image -- which is not surprising when that's not, naturally, who she's ever really been. Stewart's recent \u003ca href=\"http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/07/martha-stewart-millennials-tomato-plant.html\">outburst about millennials\u003c/a>, in which she labeled an entire generation lazy and stupid doesn't exactly endear her to a younger audience. It's really hard to like someone, even ironically, when they've just said about you: \"They don’t know anything… They know how to make money and how to develop software, but they don’t know how to plant a tree.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, Martha Stewart needs this TV show more than Snoop does, because she desperately needs people to like her more right now -- something Snoop's never really had a problem with. Stewart needs to show the world she still has something to offer, and if Snoop's by her side, she knows people will tune in for the odd couple act. Snoop's laid-back presence is just about the only thing on Earth that genuinely makes Martha Stewart seem not so uptight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, this might be a good show. It might be a funny show. But Snoop and Martha (and their writers) should keep in mind that it's hard to keep a single joke going for an entire season of anything, and make plans accordingly. Snoop has the ability to move onto the next thing and be just fine; he's the personification of going with the flow. Stewart's proven herself to be a survivor before, but she's scraping at the bottom of something for laughs here, and instinct says you don't bounce back quite so easily from failed self-parody.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Are we not giving her enough credit? Is Martha suddenly going to seem down-to-earth in a cool, street-smart, yet not desperate way? It'd be lovely to be surprised -- but either way, joke's on us: We'll just have to tune in this fall to find out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"It's the odd-couple pairing of the decade -- so why does this make us feel so sad inside?","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1470858694,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":1258},"headData":{"title":"In Which We Are Vaguely Depressed About Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart's Cooking Show | KQED","description":"It's the odd-couple pairing of the decade -- so why does this make us feel so sad inside?","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"In Which We Are Vaguely Depressed About Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart's Cooking Show","datePublished":"2016-08-10T18:18:49.000Z","dateModified":"2016-08-10T19:51:34.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"33081 http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=33081","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/08/10/in-which-we-are-vaguely-depressed-about-snoop-dogg-and-martha-stewarts-cooking-show/","disqusTitle":"In Which We Are Vaguely Depressed About Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart's Cooking Show","path":"/pop/33081/in-which-we-are-vaguely-depressed-about-snoop-dogg-and-martha-stewarts-cooking-show","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>In September 1993, the rapper then-known as Snoop Doggy Dogg was in the middle of what would prove to be the most fraught and controversial month of his entire career. He'd been \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-04/local/me-31460_1_rap-singer-snoop-doggy-dogg\">charged with murder\u003c/a>, and only turned himself in to the cops after he'd had the chance to award the Best R&B Video moonman to En Vogue at that year's VMAs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snoop was still up-and-coming at the time and to miss that prominent MTV spotlight, alongside his friend Dr. Dre, would've cost him some serious prime-time exposure. Legend has it, he drove to the police station to hand himself in directly from the award show.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/-hIjgofcuWU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/-hIjgofcuWU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Meanwhile, on the other side of the country, a tightly wound white lady by the name of Martha Stewart also found her public profile expanding. September 1993 was when her first TV show (named after her then-quarterly magazine) launched; little did she know that \u003ca href=\"http://www.tv.com/shows/martha-stewart-living/\">\u003cem>Martha Stewart Living\u003c/em>\u003c/a> was just the start of a multi-million dollar empire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the mid-1990s, the idea that Snoop and Martha would ever so much as be in the same room as each other was utterly laughable. Around the same time that a UK newspaper was splashing Snoop's mug next to the headline \"\u003ca href=\"http://cdn-03.independent.ie/incoming/article31254782.ece/f34fe/AUTOCROP/w620/Dg%20daily%20star.jpg\">KICK THIS EVIL BASTARD OUT!\u003c/a>\", Martha Stewart was puttering about in wood-paneled rooms, talking to a national audience of homemakers about \u003ca href=\"http://a%20national%20audience%20of%20homemakers.\">table centerpieces\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But here we are, two decades later, and the news that Martha and Snoop have just been hired by VH1 to host a cooking show together (titled \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/martha-stewart-snoop-dogg-vh1-dinner-party-1201832529/\">Martha & Snoop’s Dinner Party\u003c/a>\u003c/em>) doesn't actually seem completely insane. Which is, in and of itself, kind of insane. Maybe the world might look at these two very different humans, making this probably-comedic show together, and take it as an example of how success levels the social and cultural playing field ... but there's also something about \u003cem>Martha & Snoop's Dinner Party\u003c/em> that's a little depressing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After her arrest, 2004 conviction for insider trading, and subsequent prison sentence, Stewart had to shift some major gears before she could make her return to the public eye a successful one. Given that most of the people who liked her brand pre-jail-time declared her career over as soon as she was convicted, Stewart did the smartest thing she could: Post-release, she started juxtaposing her squeaky clean WASP image of old with a very palpable edge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snoop is not the kind of guest Martha Stewart could invite onto her show before she'd done some time, but a 2008 clip in which Snoop goes rogue on Martha as she's showing him how to make the most fattening mashed potatoes in the world remains a YouTube favorite. By the time the two got back together in 2015, under the guise of making Christmas brownies, the double act was almost entirely centered around \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pubH1prBf84\">weed jokes\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/-Ocre0kXgvg'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/-Ocre0kXgvg'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Last year also saw Stewart resorting to joining in on Comedy Central's \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V3PhXNNMGg\">roast of Justin Bieber\u003c/a>, even though her presence there made absolutely no sense whatsoever. \"Look!\" the joke seemed to be, \"Martha Stewart says mean things too! What a crazy badass!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snoop has, of course, also adapted and changed over the last 20 years, but it feels altogether more organic. The biggest shift for the rapper came 10 years into his career, when he was finally permitted to show the world that he had an endearingly dorky, highly self-aware sense of humor. This came in the form of MTV's\u003cem> \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSjf2M8xSIU\">Doggy Fizzle Televizzle\u003c/a>\u003c/em> in 2002 -- the first time he realized that people liked it when he put himself next to non-\"hood\" things and carried on being Snoop. (The first episode of \u003cem>Televizzle\u003c/em> put him in a bus full of senior citizens and gave him a microphone.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snoop's non-music profile peaked with the role of Huggy Bear in 2004's \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starsky_%26_Hutch_(film)\">\u003cem>Starsky & Hutch\u003c/em> \u003c/a>remake -- a role that was probably supposed to be amusing because pre-fame Snoop literally \u003ca href=\"http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/snoop-lion-opens-up-about-his-pimp-past-20130508\">worked as a pimp.\u003c/a> (\u003cem>Hilarious\u003c/em>, obviously.) Even with that in mind, he was still one of the best things in the movie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, Snoop's done everything from \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgjy-k5mOqA\">GPS voiceover\u003c/a> work to a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-OO324clObi3H-U0bP77dw\">GGN radio\u003c/a> show to inventing a new reggae-based persona for himself named \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MI3CKL4NMI\">Snoop Lion\u003c/a>. One gets the impression that Snoop has a hard time saying no to anything; that if something looks like it might be fun for him to do, and that he might make some money out of it, that's an automatic yes. His brand is far from delicate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Martha Stewart's reasoning for signing on to a cooking show co-hosted by Snoop Dogg looks considerably more contrived. Stewart's whole brand has been under siege for a few years now, thanks to new competition from high-end companies started by a new wave of rich-white-lady homemakers. It's clear she's feeling threatened: she's \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/martha-stewart-gwyneth-paltrow_n_5966142.html\">talked some sh*t\u003c/a> about \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/05/06/deep-breaths-a-dispatch-from-the-gwyneth-paltrow-industrial-complex/\" target=\"_blank\">Goop's Gwyneth Paltrow\u003c/a> several times, when she would be much better off trying to collaborate with her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To make matters worse, Martha is having difficulty keeping up her down-with-the-kids image -- which is not surprising when that's not, naturally, who she's ever really been. Stewart's recent \u003ca href=\"http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/07/martha-stewart-millennials-tomato-plant.html\">outburst about millennials\u003c/a>, in which she labeled an entire generation lazy and stupid doesn't exactly endear her to a younger audience. It's really hard to like someone, even ironically, when they've just said about you: \"They don’t know anything… They know how to make money and how to develop software, but they don’t know how to plant a tree.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, Martha Stewart needs this TV show more than Snoop does, because she desperately needs people to like her more right now -- something Snoop's never really had a problem with. Stewart needs to show the world she still has something to offer, and if Snoop's by her side, she knows people will tune in for the odd couple act. Snoop's laid-back presence is just about the only thing on Earth that genuinely makes Martha Stewart seem not so uptight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, this might be a good show. It might be a funny show. But Snoop and Martha (and their writers) should keep in mind that it's hard to keep a single joke going for an entire season of anything, and make plans accordingly. Snoop has the ability to move onto the next thing and be just fine; he's the personification of going with the flow. Stewart's proven herself to be a survivor before, but she's scraping at the bottom of something for laughs here, and instinct says you don't bounce back quite so easily from failed self-parody.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Are we not giving her enough credit? Is Martha suddenly going to seem down-to-earth in a cool, street-smart, yet not desperate way? It'd be lovely to be surprised -- but either way, joke's on us: We'll just have to tune in this fall to find out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/33081/in-which-we-are-vaguely-depressed-about-snoop-dogg-and-martha-stewarts-cooking-show","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_2899","pop_4","pop_3"],"tags":["pop_601","pop_2898","pop_2849","pop_466"],"featImg":"pop_33095","label":"pop"},"pop_29362":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_29362","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"29362","score":null,"sort":[1468012401000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"snoop-dogg-just-held-a-press-conference-with-the-lapd-and-other-musician-responses-to-a-truly-awful-week","title":"Snoop Dogg Just Held a Press Conference With the LAPD (and Other Musician Responses to a Truly Awful Week)","publishDate":1468012401,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>The past three days have been brutal ones in the United States of America, and it's no secret that people are hurting. We want action, visible change, in times like these -- and if we can't take to the streets ourselves, we want to see people we respect and look up to taking a stance, using their platforms to voice protest in a way that feels like they're speaking on our behalf.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For better or worse, for many people, the public figures hitting those marks this week are entertainers. Here are a few of their responses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Snoop Dogg\u003c/strong> and \u003cstrong>The Game\u003c/strong> did actually \u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-game-snoop-dogg-protest-lapd-20160708-snap-htmlstory.html\" target=\"_blank\">take to the streets\u003c/a> this morning, leading what the \u003cem>LA Times\u003c/em> called a \"unification march for men of color\" to LAPD's graduation ceremony for its newest officers. On Instagram, The Game called it an attempt to \"make the Californian government and it’s law branches aware that from today forward, we will be UNIFIED as minorities & we will no longer allow them to hunt us or be hunted by us !!!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BHmkqnLgboz/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It culminated in a press conference with city government and LAPD Police Chief Charlie Beck, which you should watch below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDCN67NQ5Ag\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The rappers join a growing legion of music's heavy-hitters who responded to the week's violence on social media and through song.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Queen \u003cstrong>Beyoncé \u003c/strong>posted a \u003ca href=\"http://www.beyonce.com/\" target=\"_blank\">powerful missive to her website\u003c/a> July 7, reading, in part, \"We don't need sympathy. We need everyone to respect our lives.\" The message encouraged readers to click through to contact their representatives in Congress to protest the killings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BHkodbPBOGC/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She also paused her show in Glasgow that night to ask for a moment of silence, during which the names of victims of police brutality were displayed on her giant LED screen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/laurendotwilson/status/751163858786652160\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jay Z\u003c/strong>, meanwhile, the other half of music's biggest power couple, released a new song called \"Spiritual\" on Tidal today, July 8. It features lyrics referencing police violence and the pain of trying to raise a young black daughter in an unjust world, with an accompanying note that reads, in part, \"I’m saddened and disappointed in THIS America - we should be further along. WE ARE NOT.\" \u003ca href=\"http://tidal.com/us/jayz\" target=\"_blank\">Read and listen here. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel \u003c/strong>also chose to express himself musically, releasing a track called \"How Many,\" with lyrics like \"How many black lives / how many heartbeats turned into flatlines / how many black lives does it take to wake a change...we can't let them die in vain.\" Listen below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://soundcloud.com/miguel/how-many-ruff-1\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Drake\u003c/strong> wrote a personal open letter on Instagram:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/BHim8QWjFTx/?taken-by=champagnepapi\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And here at home, Oakland's own \u003cstrong>Mistah FAB\u003c/strong> dropped \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/07/07/bay-area-rap-veteran-mistah-f-a-b-responds-to-police-shootings-with-6-shots/\" target=\"_blank\">a song directly referencing Alton Sterling\u003c/a>, called \"6 Shots,\" as we covered yesterday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://soundcloud.com/mistahfab/6-shots\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We'll update this post as more songs and responses roll in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"\"We’re here on peace,\" the rapper told reporters in Los Angeles during a march to police headquarters.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1468261781,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":14,"wordCount":547},"headData":{"title":"Snoop Dogg Just Held a Press Conference With the LAPD (and Other Musician Responses to a Truly Awful Week) | KQED","description":""We’re here on peace," the rapper told reporters in Los Angeles during a march to police headquarters.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Snoop Dogg Just Held a Press Conference With the LAPD (and Other Musician Responses to a Truly Awful Week)","datePublished":"2016-07-08T21:13:21.000Z","dateModified":"2016-07-11T18:29:41.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"29362 http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=29362","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/07/08/snoop-dogg-just-held-a-press-conference-with-the-lapd-and-other-musician-responses-to-a-truly-awful-week/","disqusTitle":"Snoop Dogg Just Held a Press Conference With the LAPD (and Other Musician Responses to a Truly Awful Week)","path":"/pop/29362/snoop-dogg-just-held-a-press-conference-with-the-lapd-and-other-musician-responses-to-a-truly-awful-week","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The past three days have been brutal ones in the United States of America, and it's no secret that people are hurting. We want action, visible change, in times like these -- and if we can't take to the streets ourselves, we want to see people we respect and look up to taking a stance, using their platforms to voice protest in a way that feels like they're speaking on our behalf.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For better or worse, for many people, the public figures hitting those marks this week are entertainers. Here are a few of their responses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Snoop Dogg\u003c/strong> and \u003cstrong>The Game\u003c/strong> did actually \u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-game-snoop-dogg-protest-lapd-20160708-snap-htmlstory.html\" target=\"_blank\">take to the streets\u003c/a> this morning, leading what the \u003cem>LA Times\u003c/em> called a \"unification march for men of color\" to LAPD's graduation ceremony for its newest officers. On Instagram, The Game called it an attempt to \"make the Californian government and it’s law branches aware that from today forward, we will be UNIFIED as minorities & we will no longer allow them to hunt us or be hunted by us !!!\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BHmkqnLgboz"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It culminated in a press conference with city government and LAPD Police Chief Charlie Beck, which you should watch below.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/EDCN67NQ5Ag'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/EDCN67NQ5Ag'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>The rappers join a growing legion of music's heavy-hitters who responded to the week's violence on social media and through song.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Queen \u003cstrong>Beyoncé \u003c/strong>posted a \u003ca href=\"http://www.beyonce.com/\" target=\"_blank\">powerful missive to her website\u003c/a> July 7, reading, in part, \"We don't need sympathy. We need everyone to respect our lives.\" The message encouraged readers to click through to contact their representatives in Congress to protest the killings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BHkodbPBOGC"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She also paused her show in Glasgow that night to ask for a moment of silence, during which the names of victims of police brutality were displayed on her giant LED screen.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"751163858786652160"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jay Z\u003c/strong>, meanwhile, the other half of music's biggest power couple, released a new song called \"Spiritual\" on Tidal today, July 8. It features lyrics referencing police violence and the pain of trying to raise a young black daughter in an unjust world, with an accompanying note that reads, in part, \"I’m saddened and disappointed in THIS America - we should be further along. WE ARE NOT.\" \u003ca href=\"http://tidal.com/us/jayz\" target=\"_blank\">Read and listen here. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel \u003c/strong>also chose to express himself musically, releasing a track called \"How Many,\" with lyrics like \"How many black lives / how many heartbeats turned into flatlines / how many black lives does it take to wake a change...we can't let them die in vain.\" Listen below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://soundcloud.com/miguel/how-many-ruff-1\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Drake\u003c/strong> wrote a personal open letter on Instagram:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"BHim8QWjFTx"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And here at home, Oakland's own \u003cstrong>Mistah FAB\u003c/strong> dropped \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/07/07/bay-area-rap-veteran-mistah-f-a-b-responds-to-police-shootings-with-6-shots/\" target=\"_blank\">a song directly referencing Alton Sterling\u003c/a>, called \"6 Shots,\" as we covered yesterday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://soundcloud.com/mistahfab/6-shots\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We'll update this post as more songs and responses roll in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/29362/snoop-dogg-just-held-a-press-conference-with-the-lapd-and-other-musician-responses-to-a-truly-awful-week","authors":["2421"],"categories":["pop_4","pop_1536"],"tags":["pop_465","pop_2875","pop_2849","pop_466"],"featImg":"pop_29375","label":"pop"},"pop_16575":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_16575","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"16575","score":null,"sort":[1433378494000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"snoop-dogg-calls-caitlyn-jenner-a-science-project-continues-his-history-of-transphobia","title":"Snoop Dogg Calls Caitlyn Jenner A \"Science Project,\" Continues His History of Transphobia","publishDate":1433378494,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Snoop Dogg and Napa Valley aren't terms that usually go together, but the pairing made sense this weekend when the rapper made an appearance at BottleRock. Gabe Meline, KQED Arts' music editor, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2015/06/01/bottlerock-2015-review-now-on-its-feet-a-festival-in-search-of-an-identity/\" target=\"_blank\">was there\u003c/a> and witnessed Snoop good-naturedly rolling sushi with chef Masaharu Morimoto (while making the requisite joint-rolling jokes) and \"uniting 30,000 people in a singalong of love and positivity.\" This is how our culture thinks of Snoop, as a charming, funny and harmless hitmaker. But that reputation isn't entirely deserved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The reception \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2015/06/01/caitlyn-jenner-on-vanity-fair-cover-im-free/\" target=\"_blank\">Caitlyn Jenner\u003c/a> has received this week has been mostly positive, apart from some fringe people who just don't get it. Surely, Snoop, America's Rap Sweetheart, would offer his unconditional support and not say anything awful, right? Yeah, not so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16580\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-03-at-5.02.27-PM.png\" alt=\"akon spoon transphobia caitlyn jenner\" width=\"655\" height=\"736\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-03-at-5.02.27-PM.png 655w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-03-at-5.02.27-PM-400x449.png 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 655px) 100vw, 655px\">\u003cbr>\nShocked? Well, you shouldn't be. This isn't the first time Snoop has said transphobic or homophobic things on social media. At the beginning of the year, Snoop \u003ca href=\"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901989/Snoop-Dogg-facing-lawsuit-mocking-Instagram-post-sparked-homophobic-bullying-gay-carer.html\" target=\"_blank\">posted a photo\u003c/a> of Cortez Booze on his Instagram along with the question, \"Who's auntcle is this?\" Booze, who works at a care home in Maryland, was then subjected to an onslaught of abuse from Snoop fans. One Instagram user commented: \"That shemale ain't gone win. U get wat u get if u choose to dress how u dress. Consequences for your choices so use some common sense.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16577\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/2482314E00000578-0-image-a-64_1420726360100.jpg\" alt=\"snoop aunctle transphobic\" width=\"634\" height=\"377\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/2482314E00000578-0-image-a-64_1420726360100.jpg 634w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/2482314E00000578-0-image-a-64_1420726360100-400x238.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 634px) 100vw, 634px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A few months before that, Snoop posted a photo of two men in bed with the following caption: \"U n ya boyfriend since u like Jumpin on my page disrespectn bitch boy go f*ck ya man n get off my line f.A.G.\" A fan commented: \"Keep it Gangsta Snoop dez F*gs talk tooo much.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16576\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/enhanced-11861-1410758815-1.png\" alt=\"snoop homophobic instagram\" width=\"625\" height=\"404\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/enhanced-11861-1410758815-1.png 625w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/enhanced-11861-1410758815-1-400x259.png 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 625px) 100vw, 625px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People look up to Snoop. If he appears to be denigrating someone because of their gender expression or sexuality, his fans feel as though it's acceptable and take it further. Lots of celebrities use the \"I didn't sign up for being a role model\" excuse, but the reality is that, once you're a notable person, people are following your lead, whether you like it or not. After 23 years in the business, one would think Snoop would know better than this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's curious behavior from someone who claimed to the \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/snoop-lion-on-gay-marriage-reincarnated-diplo-cheaters-/5154394d02a76031b300000c\" target=\"_blank\">Huffington Post\u003c/a>\u003c/em> that he has \"no issues with nobody. I live for me and I live my life doing what I do, so you should have the right to do whatever you want to do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2013, \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/apr/06/snoop-dogg-lion-interview\" target=\"_blank\">The Guardian\u003c/a>\u003c/em> asked him about whether he thought Frank Ocean's coming out was a sign of progress in terms of acceptance in the rap world. Snoop had this to say: \"Frank Ocean ain't no rapper. He's a singer. It's acceptable in the singing world, but in the rap world I don't know if it will ever be acceptable because rap is so masculine. It's like a football team. You can't be in a locker room full of motherf*cking tough-ass dudes, then all of a sudden say, 'Hey, man, I like you.' You know, that's going to be tough.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So gay men are incapable of being masculine, lust after straight men and cannot control their urges in locker rooms. Got it. Even when he's trying to come across as accepting, he ends up revealing how ignorant he is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of course, the Snoop Dogg we know is nothing but a caricature crafted by Calvin Cordozar Broadus Jr. And he's not alone: Many rap artists also play up heightened version of themselves. They redefine who they are; they change their names (Snoop Lion, P Diddy, *insert Prince symbol here*, etc.). The rap world deals heavily in the fluid nature of identity, yet, for some reason, some of its members can't find the empathy to understand gender or sexual fluidity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a culture that's become obsessed with public shaming (hi, Justine Sacco!), it's odd that Snoop continues to exhibit homophobic and transphobic attitudes on social media with zero consequences and no change in his public image. Does our love of getting down to \"Drop It Like It's Hot\" trump the need to stand up against intolerance? If we ever want to live in a world where we truly see each other's humanity, no matter who we love or what gender we were assigned at birth or what color our skin is or what religion we practice, the answer to that question has to be no.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Snoop Dogg does something transphobic...again.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1433378494,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":14,"wordCount":774},"headData":{"title":"Snoop Dogg Calls Caitlyn Jenner A \"Science Project,\" Continues His History of Transphobia | KQED","description":"Snoop Dogg does something transphobic...again.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Snoop Dogg Calls Caitlyn Jenner A \"Science Project,\" Continues His History of Transphobia","datePublished":"2015-06-04T00:41:34.000Z","dateModified":"2015-06-04T00:41:34.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"16575 http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=16575","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2015/06/03/snoop-dogg-calls-caitlyn-jenner-a-science-project-continues-his-history-of-transphobia/","disqusTitle":"Snoop Dogg Calls Caitlyn Jenner A \"Science Project,\" Continues His History of Transphobia","path":"/pop/16575/snoop-dogg-calls-caitlyn-jenner-a-science-project-continues-his-history-of-transphobia","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Snoop Dogg and Napa Valley aren't terms that usually go together, but the pairing made sense this weekend when the rapper made an appearance at BottleRock. Gabe Meline, KQED Arts' music editor, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2015/06/01/bottlerock-2015-review-now-on-its-feet-a-festival-in-search-of-an-identity/\" target=\"_blank\">was there\u003c/a> and witnessed Snoop good-naturedly rolling sushi with chef Masaharu Morimoto (while making the requisite joint-rolling jokes) and \"uniting 30,000 people in a singalong of love and positivity.\" This is how our culture thinks of Snoop, as a charming, funny and harmless hitmaker. But that reputation isn't entirely deserved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The reception \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2015/06/01/caitlyn-jenner-on-vanity-fair-cover-im-free/\" target=\"_blank\">Caitlyn Jenner\u003c/a> has received this week has been mostly positive, apart from some fringe people who just don't get it. Surely, Snoop, America's Rap Sweetheart, would offer his unconditional support and not say anything awful, right? Yeah, not so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16580\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-03-at-5.02.27-PM.png\" alt=\"akon spoon transphobia caitlyn jenner\" width=\"655\" height=\"736\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-03-at-5.02.27-PM.png 655w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-03-at-5.02.27-PM-400x449.png 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 655px) 100vw, 655px\">\u003cbr>\nShocked? Well, you shouldn't be. This isn't the first time Snoop has said transphobic or homophobic things on social media. At the beginning of the year, Snoop \u003ca href=\"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901989/Snoop-Dogg-facing-lawsuit-mocking-Instagram-post-sparked-homophobic-bullying-gay-carer.html\" target=\"_blank\">posted a photo\u003c/a> of Cortez Booze on his Instagram along with the question, \"Who's auntcle is this?\" Booze, who works at a care home in Maryland, was then subjected to an onslaught of abuse from Snoop fans. One Instagram user commented: \"That shemale ain't gone win. U get wat u get if u choose to dress how u dress. Consequences for your choices so use some common sense.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16577\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/2482314E00000578-0-image-a-64_1420726360100.jpg\" alt=\"snoop aunctle transphobic\" width=\"634\" height=\"377\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/2482314E00000578-0-image-a-64_1420726360100.jpg 634w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/2482314E00000578-0-image-a-64_1420726360100-400x238.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 634px) 100vw, 634px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A few months before that, Snoop posted a photo of two men in bed with the following caption: \"U n ya boyfriend since u like Jumpin on my page disrespectn bitch boy go f*ck ya man n get off my line f.A.G.\" A fan commented: \"Keep it Gangsta Snoop dez F*gs talk tooo much.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16576\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/enhanced-11861-1410758815-1.png\" alt=\"snoop homophobic instagram\" width=\"625\" height=\"404\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/enhanced-11861-1410758815-1.png 625w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/enhanced-11861-1410758815-1-400x259.png 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 625px) 100vw, 625px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People look up to Snoop. If he appears to be denigrating someone because of their gender expression or sexuality, his fans feel as though it's acceptable and take it further. Lots of celebrities use the \"I didn't sign up for being a role model\" excuse, but the reality is that, once you're a notable person, people are following your lead, whether you like it or not. After 23 years in the business, one would think Snoop would know better than this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's curious behavior from someone who claimed to the \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/snoop-lion-on-gay-marriage-reincarnated-diplo-cheaters-/5154394d02a76031b300000c\" target=\"_blank\">Huffington Post\u003c/a>\u003c/em> that he has \"no issues with nobody. I live for me and I live my life doing what I do, so you should have the right to do whatever you want to do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2013, \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/apr/06/snoop-dogg-lion-interview\" target=\"_blank\">The Guardian\u003c/a>\u003c/em> asked him about whether he thought Frank Ocean's coming out was a sign of progress in terms of acceptance in the rap world. Snoop had this to say: \"Frank Ocean ain't no rapper. He's a singer. It's acceptable in the singing world, but in the rap world I don't know if it will ever be acceptable because rap is so masculine. It's like a football team. You can't be in a locker room full of motherf*cking tough-ass dudes, then all of a sudden say, 'Hey, man, I like you.' You know, that's going to be tough.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So gay men are incapable of being masculine, lust after straight men and cannot control their urges in locker rooms. Got it. 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Kelly and Bjork are going to do a full set together at this year's Pitchfork music festival in Chicago, July 19-21. According to \u003ca href=\"http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/r-kelly-and-bjork-to-perform-together-in-once-in-a-lifetime-pitchfork-fest-2013-joint-set/\">Thought Catalog\u003c/a>, R. Kelly had this to say of the performance: \"“It’s gonna be funky you know. She do what she do, and I do what I do. I like her style. I think I can bring a little of what \u003cem>I\u003c/em> do to what \u003cem>she\u003c/em> do. And you’re gonna like it. We just gonna have fun. So bring all yo friends. Tell them there’s this Icelandic lady, and it’s Kellz, and we’re gonna get down.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>American culture can be real \"Gemini\" sometimes. On the one hand, we don't like people of different sorts mixing too much, and we pass all kinds of laws and perpetuate social practices that make sure everyone stays in their own lane as much as possible. 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