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Mine happens to be falling down internet k-holes. One minute, I'm investigating the whereabouts of \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchess_Anastasia_Nikolaevna_of_Russia#False_reports_of_survival\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Anastasia\u003c/a> and, two hours and many mouse clicks later, I'm somehow reading all about how Henry VIII had his butt wiped by people called the \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Groom-of-the-Stool/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Grooms of Stool\u003c/a>.\" That's around the time I ask myself, \u003cem>Wait, how did I get here? What day is it?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13906656']Recently, my cyber explorations took a creepy turn. Did you know there's an American serial killer known as the \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Butcher of Plainfield\u003c/a>, who crafted a belt made out of his victims’ nipples?! Or that \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_Sea_human_foot_discoveries\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">disembodied feet keep washing ashore\u003c/a> in one area of the Pacific Northwest?? I sure didn't, and now I have to live with that knowledge for years to come. But there's one story that will stick with me forevermore, and it goes a little something like this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once there was a German dude named Carl von Cosel. In his early childhood, he said he would regularly be visited by one of his dead ancestors, who kept showing him the face of his one true love, an exotic dark-haired woman. Somehow, that’s the most mundane detail of this story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_106931\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-106931\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"495\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-160x264.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-800x1320.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-768x1267.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-727x1200.jpg 727w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-240x396.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-375x619.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-520x858.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Elena in happier times.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Fast forward to adulthood. It’s the 1930s, and Carl is working as a doctor in Key West, Florida. One day at the hospital, a Cuban-American woman named Maria Elena Milagro de Hoyos walks in. He immediately recognizes her as the girl from his dead ancestor visions! But, before you get too excited about this meet-cute, this story is less of a Julia Roberts rom-com and more Mandy Moore’s \u003cem>A Walk to Remember\u003c/em>. Instead of saying \"I have leukemia!\" like Mandy Moore does in that movie, Elena says, \"I have tuberculosis!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Carl isn't sweating it though. He believes that he can cure her by bringing weird x-ray machines to her house and basically winging it from there. In addition to his medical(-ish) help, he also gives Elena jewelry and the latest fashions, and professes his love to her. Look up \"Doing the absolute most\" in the nearest dictionary and you'll find a handsome little photo of our friend, Carl.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s no record of what Elena thought of all this, but my guess is that it was something in the neighborhood of: \u003cem>Can you not? I’m trying to calmly die here.\u003c/em> Carl is essentially that guy who won't stop hitting on you at the bar, but instead of the bar, the venue is a deathbed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sadly, Elena dies at the age of 22. (R.I.P. baby girl. Say hi to Aaliyah for me!) Carl, who's in his 50s by the way, is distraught. He immediately makes a death mask of her face (hello, red flag!). With permission from Elena's family, he pays for the funeral and constructs an above-ground mausoleum in the Key West Cemetery for his #1 crush (see previous \"Doing the absolute most\" dictionary entry). And he insists on an airtight casket with an incubator tank full of formaldehyde to prevent decay (hello, red flag #2!). Carl visits the mausoleum every night, where he says her spirit routinely pops up to say what's up and sing to him. Weird, right? Well, buckle up 'cause things are about to get even weirder!\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_106930\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-106930\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03.jpg 900w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-768x512.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The infamous mausoleum.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>One night in 1933, two years after Elena’s death, Carl sneaks into the cemetery with a toy wagon, removes her corpse from the mausoleum and wheels it on home. (Commuting sucks and long-distance relationships are hard, you guys! It makes total sense to rob the grave of a woman you barely know!)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By this point, our girl Elena’s body isn’t holding up too well, so Carl uses piano wire to keep her together, fits her face with glass eyes, replaces her decomposing skin with silk cloth soaked in wax, gets rid of all the maggots and uses perfumes and preserving agents to mask the smell and stop the rotting. He keeps her body in his bed. I won’t go into the ugly details, but yes, he does more than just sleep.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13881990']\u003cstrong>SEVEN LONG ASS YEARS LATER\u003c/strong>, in 1940, rumors are swirling around his odd behavior. Those who remember his frequent visits to the mausoleum wonder why he suddenly stopped coming. His neighbors find it curious that he routinely buys women's clothes and lots of perfume. And a boy claims to have seen Carl in the window dancing with what looked like a super-sized doll. Elena’s sister eventually becomes suspicious too. She marches over to his house and Carl willingly shows off Elena’s body—or what's left of it—in his bedroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Carl is quickly arrested for “wantonly and maliciously destroying a grave and removing a body without authorization.” (That’s it?!) Psychiatrists examine him and declare him sane. (For real?!) And all charges are eventually dropped because nothing makes sense in this world (*shakes fist at statutes of limitations*).\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_106918\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 500px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-106918\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-1020x1258.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"617\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-1020x1258.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-160x197.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-800x987.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-768x947.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-973x1200.jpg 973w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-1180x1456.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-960x1184.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-240x296.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-375x463.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-520x641.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral.jpg 1297w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">\"Hey, kids! Cool decomposing, violated corpse, huh?\"\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>All of this craziness makes the headlines in Florida and—again because nothing makes any damn sense—the public is generally sympathetic to Carl and considers him a hopeless romantic who's just a wee bit eccentric. For some weird reason, a public viewing of Elena's body is held. 8,500 people line up to get a look. Local schools even let out early so kids can be scarred for life. Oh, Florida, you never disappoint.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Emboldened by the public support (and maybe a loose screw or two), Carl asks if he can have Elena's body back. Thankfully, common sense prevails and his request is denied. Elena is re-buried in a secret, unmarked grave so as to avoid another toy wagon field trip. Unhappy about this, Carl sets off a bomb at the site of Elena's mausoleum as a way to show authorities what \"wantonly and maliciously destroying a grave\" really looks like.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_106929\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 500px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-106929\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"340\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download.jpeg 640w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download-160x109.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download-240x163.jpeg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download-375x255.jpeg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download-520x353.jpeg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Carl holding Elena's death mask as if it's not a supremely weird thing to have.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Carl goes on to live another 12 years before dying alone. In his final diary entry, he writes, \"Human jealousy has robbed me of the body of my Elena, yet divine happiness is flowing through me for she has survived death. Forever and ever, she is with me.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Three weeks after his death, his body is found in his apartment. A life-sized death-mask-wearing effigy of Elena is close by.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>In the mood for more spooky stories like this one? Then, you should listen to \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">this episode of The Cooler\u003c/a> (if you dare).\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"This story is A LOT. Read on if you dare.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1660069321,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":1158},"headData":{"title":"Meet Carl von Cosel, the Man Who Slept Next to His Crush's Corpse for 7 Years - KQED Pop","description":"This story is A LOT. Read on if you dare.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Meet Carl von Cosel, the Man Who Slept Next to His Crush's Corpse for 7 Years","datePublished":"2018-10-30T13:00:34.000Z","dateModified":"2022-08-09T18:22:01.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"106807 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=106807","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2018/10/30/meet-carl-von-cosel-the-man-who-slept-next-to-his-crushs-corpse-for-7-years/","disqusTitle":"Meet Carl von Cosel, the Man Who Slept Next to His Crush's Corpse for 7 Years","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/pop/106807/meet-carl-von-cosel-the-man-who-slept-next-to-his-crushs-corpse-for-7-years","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>We all have our favorite pastimes. Mine happens to be falling down internet k-holes. One minute, I'm investigating the whereabouts of \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchess_Anastasia_Nikolaevna_of_Russia#False_reports_of_survival\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Anastasia\u003c/a> and, two hours and many mouse clicks later, I'm somehow reading all about how Henry VIII had his butt wiped by people called the \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Groom-of-the-Stool/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Grooms of Stool\u003c/a>.\" That's around the time I ask myself, \u003cem>Wait, how did I get here? What day is it?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13906656","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Recently, my cyber explorations took a creepy turn. Did you know there's an American serial killer known as the \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Butcher of Plainfield\u003c/a>, who crafted a belt made out of his victims’ nipples?! Or that \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_Sea_human_foot_discoveries\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">disembodied feet keep washing ashore\u003c/a> in one area of the Pacific Northwest?? I sure didn't, and now I have to live with that knowledge for years to come. But there's one story that will stick with me forevermore, and it goes a little something like this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once there was a German dude named Carl von Cosel. In his early childhood, he said he would regularly be visited by one of his dead ancestors, who kept showing him the face of his one true love, an exotic dark-haired woman. Somehow, that’s the most mundane detail of this story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_106931\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-106931\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"495\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-160x264.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-800x1320.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-768x1267.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-727x1200.jpg 727w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-240x396.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-375x619.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/IMG_20170112_0001copy2-520x858.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Elena in happier times.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Fast forward to adulthood. It’s the 1930s, and Carl is working as a doctor in Key West, Florida. One day at the hospital, a Cuban-American woman named Maria Elena Milagro de Hoyos walks in. He immediately recognizes her as the girl from his dead ancestor visions! But, before you get too excited about this meet-cute, this story is less of a Julia Roberts rom-com and more Mandy Moore’s \u003cem>A Walk to Remember\u003c/em>. Instead of saying \"I have leukemia!\" like Mandy Moore does in that movie, Elena says, \"I have tuberculosis!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Carl isn't sweating it though. He believes that he can cure her by bringing weird x-ray machines to her house and basically winging it from there. In addition to his medical(-ish) help, he also gives Elena jewelry and the latest fashions, and professes his love to her. Look up \"Doing the absolute most\" in the nearest dictionary and you'll find a handsome little photo of our friend, Carl.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s no record of what Elena thought of all this, but my guess is that it was something in the neighborhood of: \u003cem>Can you not? I’m trying to calmly die here.\u003c/em> Carl is essentially that guy who won't stop hitting on you at the bar, but instead of the bar, the venue is a deathbed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sadly, Elena dies at the age of 22. (R.I.P. baby girl. Say hi to Aaliyah for me!) Carl, who's in his 50s by the way, is distraught. He immediately makes a death mask of her face (hello, red flag!). With permission from Elena's family, he pays for the funeral and constructs an above-ground mausoleum in the Key West Cemetery for his #1 crush (see previous \"Doing the absolute most\" dictionary entry). And he insists on an airtight casket with an incubator tank full of formaldehyde to prevent decay (hello, red flag #2!). Carl visits the mausoleum every night, where he says her spirit routinely pops up to say what's up and sing to him. Weird, right? Well, buckle up 'cause things are about to get even weirder!\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_106930\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-106930\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03.jpg 900w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-768x512.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Tanzler_03-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The infamous mausoleum.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>One night in 1933, two years after Elena’s death, Carl sneaks into the cemetery with a toy wagon, removes her corpse from the mausoleum and wheels it on home. (Commuting sucks and long-distance relationships are hard, you guys! It makes total sense to rob the grave of a woman you barely know!)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By this point, our girl Elena’s body isn’t holding up too well, so Carl uses piano wire to keep her together, fits her face with glass eyes, replaces her decomposing skin with silk cloth soaked in wax, gets rid of all the maggots and uses perfumes and preserving agents to mask the smell and stop the rotting. He keeps her body in his bed. I won’t go into the ugly details, but yes, he does more than just sleep.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13881990","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SEVEN LONG ASS YEARS LATER\u003c/strong>, in 1940, rumors are swirling around his odd behavior. Those who remember his frequent visits to the mausoleum wonder why he suddenly stopped coming. His neighbors find it curious that he routinely buys women's clothes and lots of perfume. And a boy claims to have seen Carl in the window dancing with what looked like a super-sized doll. Elena’s sister eventually becomes suspicious too. She marches over to his house and Carl willingly shows off Elena’s body—or what's left of it—in his bedroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Carl is quickly arrested for “wantonly and maliciously destroying a grave and removing a body without authorization.” (That’s it?!) Psychiatrists examine him and declare him sane. (For real?!) And all charges are eventually dropped because nothing makes sense in this world (*shakes fist at statutes of limitations*).\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_106918\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 500px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-106918\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-1020x1258.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"617\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-1020x1258.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-160x197.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-800x987.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-768x947.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-973x1200.jpg 973w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-1180x1456.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-960x1184.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-240x296.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-375x463.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral-520x641.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/Enhanced_Cropped_Elena_Hoyos_Second_Funeral.jpg 1297w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">\"Hey, kids! Cool decomposing, violated corpse, huh?\"\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>All of this craziness makes the headlines in Florida and—again because nothing makes any damn sense—the public is generally sympathetic to Carl and considers him a hopeless romantic who's just a wee bit eccentric. For some weird reason, a public viewing of Elena's body is held. 8,500 people line up to get a look. Local schools even let out early so kids can be scarred for life. Oh, Florida, you never disappoint.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Emboldened by the public support (and maybe a loose screw or two), Carl asks if he can have Elena's body back. Thankfully, common sense prevails and his request is denied. Elena is re-buried in a secret, unmarked grave so as to avoid another toy wagon field trip. Unhappy about this, Carl sets off a bomb at the site of Elena's mausoleum as a way to show authorities what \"wantonly and maliciously destroying a grave\" really looks like.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_106929\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 500px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-106929\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"340\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download.jpeg 640w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download-160x109.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download-240x163.jpeg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download-375x255.jpeg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/10/download-520x353.jpeg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Carl holding Elena's death mask as if it's not a supremely weird thing to have.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Carl goes on to live another 12 years before dying alone. In his final diary entry, he writes, \"Human jealousy has robbed me of the body of my Elena, yet divine happiness is flowing through me for she has survived death. Forever and ever, she is with me.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Three weeks after his death, his body is found in his apartment. A life-sized death-mask-wearing effigy of Elena is close by.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>In the mood for more spooky stories like this one? Then, you should listen to \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">this episode of The Cooler\u003c/a> (if you dare).\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/106807/meet-carl-von-cosel-the-man-who-slept-next-to-his-crushs-corpse-for-7-years","authors":["27"],"categories":["pop_1277","pop_2937"],"tags":["pop_2792","pop_1100"],"featImg":"pop_106923","label":"pop"},"pop_103993":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_103993","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"103993","score":null,"sort":[1528290360000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-profumo-affair-a-60s-political-scandal-for-2018","title":"The Profumo Affair: A '60s Political Scandal for 2018","publishDate":1528290360,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Listen to this post on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/06/Gyno.mp3\" title=\"The Profumo Affair\" program=\"The Cooler\" image=\"https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/141/590x/Profumo-514838.jpg\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">55 years ago, it was one of the most explosive, far-reaching public scandals the UK had ever seen. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It started -- as most government sex scandals do -- with a middle-aged male politician being involved with a woman decades his junior. It ended with Russian collusion, perjury, jail, death, disgrace, and the ultimate downfall of an administration. And over half a century later, a number of elements might seem oddly… familiar.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The ‘Profumo Affair,’ as it would come to be known, was set in a '60s Britain that was definitely not yet “swinging.” When events began in 1961, the food rationing instigated during World War II had only finally ended seven years prior. The contraceptive pill wasn’t yet available to women around the country, and the Beatles were relative unknowns.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Profumo in question was a 46-year-old married politician named John Profumo, the government’s Secretary of State for War. Despite frequent rumors about his infidelities, Profumo was an uncontroversial figure -- rich, successful -- at the very top of UK politics. Until he attended a high-class party in July 1961 at the country estate of his political pal Lord Astor -- and saw a young woman called Christine Keeler swimming naked in the pool.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_103997\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2500px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-103997 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2500\" height=\"2033\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520.jpg 2500w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-160x130.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-800x651.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-768x625.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-1020x829.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-1200x976.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-1920x1561.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-1180x960.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-960x781.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-240x195.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-375x305.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-520x423.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2500px) 100vw, 2500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Former British War State Secretary John Profumo and his wife Valerie Hobson, taken at the time when he was at the centre of a Cold War sex and spying scandal that cost him his political career. (AFP/Getty) \u003ccite>(AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keeler, who was 19 at the time, was an aspiring model, then working as a topless showgirl in a London cabaret club. The working-class Keeler was mingling with the rich and famous at Astor’s party because of her connection to another much older man there: Stephen Ward. He was a trained osteopath whose charm -- and ceaseless social-climbing -- had resulted in an impressive list of connections and clients that ranged from socialites and aristocrats to members of the UK royal family. One of his friendships in particular -- with a Russian official \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and London-based spy named Yevgeny Ivanov -- had even attracted the attention of British intelligence agency MI5.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When Ward wasn’t cracking the backs of the rich and famous, or playing Russian and British spies off each other, he was hanging out in London’s club scene, where he’d first met Christine Keeler. Sensing that having a gorgeous young showgirl close to him might come in handy in his multiple endeavors of varying legality, Ward took Keeler -- plus her friend Mandy Rice-Davies, who was even younger -- under his wing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keeler and Profumo soon began a sexual relationship after their poolside meet-cute, but here let’s pause -- lest you think this is just another story about a powerful man having an affair -- and remember Russia. In 1961, the Cold War was a suffocating presence in geopolitics. Then, as now, Russian influence in domestic affairs was a terrifying prospect. In a time when the USSR was testing huge nuclear weapons, the Berlin Wall had just gone up, and the Russians were looking like they could conquer space too, it’s almost impossible to overstate the UK’s fear and apprehension over Russia’s reach.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_104007\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-104007\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-768x576.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cliveden House, the scene of Lord Astor's 1961 party at which Profumo first met Keeler. (\u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cliveden,_June_2005.JPG\">Daderot/Wikimedia Commons\u003c/a>) \u003ccite>(Daderot/Wikimedia Commons)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Against this backdrop, the very worst person for the mistress of UK Secretary for War John Profumo to simultaneously be sleeping with would be a Russian spy. But of course, that’s exactly who she \u003cem>was\u003c/em> sleeping with: Ward’s old pal Ivanov, with all the collusion-friendly “passing state secrets during pillow-talk” potential that brought. Even though the affair between Keeler and Profumo -- which she described as \"screw of convenience\" -- wound down fast, rumors soon began swirling in London.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yet despite mounting conjecture, the press wouldn’t touch the story. The Conservative government of the time had been engaged in fierce hostility with the press, and amid a string of much-reported spy scandals in early ‘60s Britain, the USSR’s blackmail of civil servant John Vassall stood out. Many of us only learned the term \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">kompromat\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> following allegations about Donald Trump’s 2013 visit to a Moscow hotel room, but the tactic of gathering and deploying damaging information for political benefit has been in use for decades by Russian intelligence.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1962, they had successful leveraged proof of Vassall’s sexuality -- being gay was illegal until 1967 in the UK -- to pressure him into spying for them. In the fallout from the subsequent inquiry, two British journalists were jailed for protecting their sources, in a move that hugely damaged relations between the administration and a defensive media. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So even by 1963, when Christine Keeler sensed rising interest and attempted to sell her account to the press, she wasn’t successful at first.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_103998\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1952px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-103998 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1952\" height=\"2500\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679.jpg 1952w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-160x205.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-800x1025.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-768x984.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-1020x1306.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-937x1200.jpg 937w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-1920x2459.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-1180x1511.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-960x1230.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-240x307.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-375x480.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-520x666.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1952px) 100vw, 1952px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Christine Keeler, pictured in London in 1963 in London. (AFP/Getty) \u003ccite>(AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The story became harder to ignore, however, when a former boyfriend of Keeler’s went on trial for shooting up the house in which she was staying -- of course, Stephen Ward’s house. As speculation mounted about Profumo’s involvement in this bizarre series of events, the politician’s strategy for handling media interest in his affair was to go on the offensive, threatening to sue -- and actually suing one outlet for libel -- and discrediting the stories as what we’d now refer to as “fake news.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1963, Bill Clinton was only 17 years old and 3,000 miles away in Arkansas when Profumo gave a formal statement to his government that \"there was no impropriety whatsoever in my acquaintanceship with Miss Keeler.\" This was, of course, the lie that would ultimately damn him, as the UK police authorities began to investigate the man whose connecting and fixing had powered this whole scandal forward: Stephen Ward. As official statements and evidence piled up, Profumo realized the game was up, confessed all, and resigned.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now that the British press, which now included the increasingly popular medium of television, finally considered themselves unleashed, the characters of Profumo and Ward were mercilessly scrutinized, the former portrayed as duped sleaze ball, the latter as pimp and Russian colluder. Meanwhile, Keeler and her friend Mandy Rice-Davie\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">s found themselves subjected to more gendered criticism from both the press and politicians.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They were branded with terms like “whore,” “slut,” and “dirty little prostitute” by male politicians of the time who were incensed not just at the potential damage to national security, but by the way the scandal opened the floodgates for a glut of subsequent stories alleging misconduct and sexual impropriety among the ruling classes. Rumors of sex parties, affairs, even masked naked royals at orgies, trashed the myth of upper-class respectability, and lifted the lid on a sex-fueled world that relied on the services of men like Stephen Ward, and the bodies of working class women like Keeler and Rice-Davies.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_104000\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 4174px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-104000 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"4174\" height=\"3304\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858.jpg 4174w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-160x127.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-800x633.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-768x608.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-1020x807.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-1200x950.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-1920x1520.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-1180x934.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-960x760.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-240x190.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-375x297.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-520x412.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 4174px) 100vw, 4174px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mandy Rice-Davies, pictured in Holland in 1964. (Dutch National Archives/Wikimedia Commons) \u003ccite>(Dutch National Archives,)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">To modern observers there might be echoes of how someone like Stormy Daniels -- another woman making her living from erotic entertainment, alleging sexual relations with a powerful man who’s denying it -- deals with her critics. In the same way, Daniels receives the words intended to silence women like her -- slut, whore -- on Twitter as her cue to speak more, not less.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/stormydaniels/status/971923035153424384?lang=en\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keeler and Rice-Davies simply refused to be quiet or go away. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the height of the Profumo scandal, Keeler sat for a\u003ca href=\"http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/c/christine-keeler-photograph-a-modern-icon/\"> now-iconic, much-imitated nude photo shoot,\u003c/a> in which she meets the viewer’s gaze directly, as if to say “How do you like me now?” For her part, the teenage Rice-Davies entered courtroom clap-back folklore, when asked about her alleged affair with Lord Astor (the politician, remember, who hosted that fateful 1961 party), and the fact that this powerful man almost 40 years her senior had denied everything. Her response: “Well, he would, wouldn’t he?” These five words have since \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRDA_(slang)\">become skeptical internet shorthand\u003c/a>.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So how did this all end? With death, disgrace, and the fall of a government. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Stephen Ward was put on trial on pimping charges, but on the eve of his sentencing, he was found dead of an apparently self-administered sleeping pill overdose. To this day, some suspect foul play on the part of those about whom he might have known too much. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">His protégée Christine Keeler received six months of jail time for perjury during the trial of another ex-boyfriend, whom she’d claimed attacked her. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And a government inquiry exonerated Profumo of inadvertently passing state secrets to the Russian authorities, but later in 1963, Prime Minister Harold Macmillan fell ill and, at least partly exhausted by this relentless scandal, resigned. The Conservative party didn’t regain power again until 1970.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_104003\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1207px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-104003 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1207\" height=\"606\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM.png 1207w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-160x80.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-800x402.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-768x386.png 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-1020x512.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-1200x602.png 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-1180x592.png 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-960x482.png 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-240x120.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-375x188.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-520x261.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1207px) 100vw, 1207px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Christine Keeler arriving at court in 1963. (Dutch National Archives/Wikimedia Commons) \u003ccite>(Dutch National Archives)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Amid all the startling parallels to modern politics and public life, there’s one final element of this story that surprises: what John Profumo did next, after being caught in one of the biggest sexual misconduct scandals the UK had ever seen. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Months after the explosion of the #MeToo movement, we now find ourselves wondering what, if anything, we’re meant to \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">do\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> with an ever-growing list of disgraced men, many of whom are now actively planning their comebacks with varying degrees of humility. Total self-exile seems to be beyond most of those whose reputations now lie in tatters of their own making, yet over 50 years ago, that’s exactly what Profumo himself chose. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After apologizing to the prime minister, his political party, and the general public, he became a volunteer at an East London anti-poverty charity, where he quite literally scrubbed toilets. After that first self-flagellating penance as a quasi-janitor, Profumo continued volunteering there in administrative and fundraising roles. Right up until his death at age 90 in 2006, Profumo gave not one single interview -- no mea culpa profile, no humble photo shoot. Others -- including Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher -- spoke about him, and praised the re-dedication of his life to charity, but in a world of the swiftly-issued apology (or denial), Profumo’s own deafening silence is now almost unthinkable. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You’re entitled to your skepticism about the low stakes inherent in a man with vast inherited wealth being able to volunteer for the rest of his life, but the fact remains: Profumo’s charity atonement took place without the “story-straightening” soul-baring interviews, or the big symbolic “welcome back” to public life, and\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">lasted decades, for the rest of his life. For a man who once wielded such agency, whose voice carried such weight, mute self-exile feels like the ultimate renunciation of male power. How telling that the powerful men accused of far less consensual sexual behavior, over five decades later, won’t even seem to consider the same route.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This piece was inspired by an episode of \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. Give it a listen!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/06/Gyno.mp3\" title=\"The Profumo Affair\" program=\"The Cooler\" image=\"https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/141/590x/Profumo-514838.jpg\"]\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"How the U.K.’s ‘Profumo Affair’ sex scandal invites modern parallels, half a century later.\r\n","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1528247060,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":25,"wordCount":2041},"headData":{"title":"The Profumo Affair: A '60s Political Scandal for 2018 | KQED","description":"How the U.K.’s ‘Profumo Affair’ sex scandal invites modern parallels, half a century later.\r\n","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"The Profumo Affair: A '60s Political Scandal for 2018","datePublished":"2018-06-06T13:06:00.000Z","dateModified":"2018-06-06T01:04:20.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"103993 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=103993","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2018/06/06/the-profumo-affair-a-60s-political-scandal-for-2018/","disqusTitle":"The Profumo Affair: A '60s Political Scandal for 2018","path":"/pop/103993/the-profumo-affair-a-60s-political-scandal-for-2018","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Listen to this post on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"program":"The Cooler","image":"https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/141/590x/Profumo-514838.jpg","label":"src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/06/Gyno.mp3\" title=\"The Profumo Affair\""},"numeric":["src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/06/Gyno.mp3\" title=\"The","Profumo","Affair\""]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">55 years ago, it was one of the most explosive, far-reaching public scandals the UK had ever seen. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It started -- as most government sex scandals do -- with a middle-aged male politician being involved with a woman decades his junior. It ended with Russian collusion, perjury, jail, death, disgrace, and the ultimate downfall of an administration. And over half a century later, a number of elements might seem oddly… familiar.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The ‘Profumo Affair,’ as it would come to be known, was set in a '60s Britain that was definitely not yet “swinging.” When events began in 1961, the food rationing instigated during World War II had only finally ended seven years prior. The contraceptive pill wasn’t yet available to women around the country, and the Beatles were relative unknowns.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Profumo in question was a 46-year-old married politician named John Profumo, the government’s Secretary of State for War. Despite frequent rumors about his infidelities, Profumo was an uncontroversial figure -- rich, successful -- at the very top of UK politics. Until he attended a high-class party in July 1961 at the country estate of his political pal Lord Astor -- and saw a young woman called Christine Keeler swimming naked in the pool.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_103997\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2500px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-103997 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2500\" height=\"2033\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520.jpg 2500w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-160x130.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-800x651.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-768x625.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-1020x829.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-1200x976.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-1920x1561.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-1180x960.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-960x781.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-240x195.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-375x305.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-57046520-520x423.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2500px) 100vw, 2500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Former British War State Secretary John Profumo and his wife Valerie Hobson, taken at the time when he was at the centre of a Cold War sex and spying scandal that cost him his political career. (AFP/Getty) \u003ccite>(AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keeler, who was 19 at the time, was an aspiring model, then working as a topless showgirl in a London cabaret club. The working-class Keeler was mingling with the rich and famous at Astor’s party because of her connection to another much older man there: Stephen Ward. He was a trained osteopath whose charm -- and ceaseless social-climbing -- had resulted in an impressive list of connections and clients that ranged from socialites and aristocrats to members of the UK royal family. One of his friendships in particular -- with a Russian official \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and London-based spy named Yevgeny Ivanov -- had even attracted the attention of British intelligence agency MI5.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When Ward wasn’t cracking the backs of the rich and famous, or playing Russian and British spies off each other, he was hanging out in London’s club scene, where he’d first met Christine Keeler. Sensing that having a gorgeous young showgirl close to him might come in handy in his multiple endeavors of varying legality, Ward took Keeler -- plus her friend Mandy Rice-Davies, who was even younger -- under his wing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keeler and Profumo soon began a sexual relationship after their poolside meet-cute, but here let’s pause -- lest you think this is just another story about a powerful man having an affair -- and remember Russia. In 1961, the Cold War was a suffocating presence in geopolitics. Then, as now, Russian influence in domestic affairs was a terrifying prospect. In a time when the USSR was testing huge nuclear weapons, the Berlin Wall had just gone up, and the Russians were looking like they could conquer space too, it’s almost impossible to overstate the UK’s fear and apprehension over Russia’s reach.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_104007\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-104007\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-768x576.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Cliveden_June_2005-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cliveden House, the scene of Lord Astor's 1961 party at which Profumo first met Keeler. (\u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cliveden,_June_2005.JPG\">Daderot/Wikimedia Commons\u003c/a>) \u003ccite>(Daderot/Wikimedia Commons)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Against this backdrop, the very worst person for the mistress of UK Secretary for War John Profumo to simultaneously be sleeping with would be a Russian spy. But of course, that’s exactly who she \u003cem>was\u003c/em> sleeping with: Ward’s old pal Ivanov, with all the collusion-friendly “passing state secrets during pillow-talk” potential that brought. Even though the affair between Keeler and Profumo -- which she described as \"screw of convenience\" -- wound down fast, rumors soon began swirling in London.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yet despite mounting conjecture, the press wouldn’t touch the story. The Conservative government of the time had been engaged in fierce hostility with the press, and amid a string of much-reported spy scandals in early ‘60s Britain, the USSR’s blackmail of civil servant John Vassall stood out. Many of us only learned the term \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">kompromat\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> following allegations about Donald Trump’s 2013 visit to a Moscow hotel room, but the tactic of gathering and deploying damaging information for political benefit has been in use for decades by Russian intelligence.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1962, they had successful leveraged proof of Vassall’s sexuality -- being gay was illegal until 1967 in the UK -- to pressure him into spying for them. In the fallout from the subsequent inquiry, two British journalists were jailed for protecting their sources, in a move that hugely damaged relations between the administration and a defensive media. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So even by 1963, when Christine Keeler sensed rising interest and attempted to sell her account to the press, she wasn’t successful at first.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_103998\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1952px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-103998 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1952\" height=\"2500\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679.jpg 1952w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-160x205.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-800x1025.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-768x984.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-1020x1306.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-937x1200.jpg 937w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-1920x2459.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-1180x1511.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-960x1230.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-240x307.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-375x480.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/GettyImages-51393679-520x666.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1952px) 100vw, 1952px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Christine Keeler, pictured in London in 1963 in London. (AFP/Getty) \u003ccite>(AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The story became harder to ignore, however, when a former boyfriend of Keeler’s went on trial for shooting up the house in which she was staying -- of course, Stephen Ward’s house. As speculation mounted about Profumo’s involvement in this bizarre series of events, the politician’s strategy for handling media interest in his affair was to go on the offensive, threatening to sue -- and actually suing one outlet for libel -- and discrediting the stories as what we’d now refer to as “fake news.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 1963, Bill Clinton was only 17 years old and 3,000 miles away in Arkansas when Profumo gave a formal statement to his government that \"there was no impropriety whatsoever in my acquaintanceship with Miss Keeler.\" This was, of course, the lie that would ultimately damn him, as the UK police authorities began to investigate the man whose connecting and fixing had powered this whole scandal forward: Stephen Ward. As official statements and evidence piled up, Profumo realized the game was up, confessed all, and resigned.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now that the British press, which now included the increasingly popular medium of television, finally considered themselves unleashed, the characters of Profumo and Ward were mercilessly scrutinized, the former portrayed as duped sleaze ball, the latter as pimp and Russian colluder. Meanwhile, Keeler and her friend Mandy Rice-Davie\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">s found themselves subjected to more gendered criticism from both the press and politicians.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They were branded with terms like “whore,” “slut,” and “dirty little prostitute” by male politicians of the time who were incensed not just at the potential damage to national security, but by the way the scandal opened the floodgates for a glut of subsequent stories alleging misconduct and sexual impropriety among the ruling classes. Rumors of sex parties, affairs, even masked naked royals at orgies, trashed the myth of upper-class respectability, and lifted the lid on a sex-fueled world that relied on the services of men like Stephen Ward, and the bodies of working class women like Keeler and Rice-Davies.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_104000\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 4174px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-104000 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"4174\" height=\"3304\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858.jpg 4174w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-160x127.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-800x633.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-768x608.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-1020x807.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-1200x950.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-1920x1520.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-1180x934.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-960x760.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-240x190.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-375x297.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Mandy_Rice_Davies_op_Schiphol_Bestanddeelnr_917-1858-520x412.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 4174px) 100vw, 4174px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mandy Rice-Davies, pictured in Holland in 1964. (Dutch National Archives/Wikimedia Commons) \u003ccite>(Dutch National Archives,)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">To modern observers there might be echoes of how someone like Stormy Daniels -- another woman making her living from erotic entertainment, alleging sexual relations with a powerful man who’s denying it -- deals with her critics. In the same way, Daniels receives the words intended to silence women like her -- slut, whore -- on Twitter as her cue to speak more, not less.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"971923035153424384"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keeler and Rice-Davies simply refused to be quiet or go away. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the height of the Profumo scandal, Keeler sat for a\u003ca href=\"http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/c/christine-keeler-photograph-a-modern-icon/\"> now-iconic, much-imitated nude photo shoot,\u003c/a> in which she meets the viewer’s gaze directly, as if to say “How do you like me now?” For her part, the teenage Rice-Davies entered courtroom clap-back folklore, when asked about her alleged affair with Lord Astor (the politician, remember, who hosted that fateful 1961 party), and the fact that this powerful man almost 40 years her senior had denied everything. Her response: “Well, he would, wouldn’t he?” These five words have since \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRDA_(slang)\">become skeptical internet shorthand\u003c/a>.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So how did this all end? With death, disgrace, and the fall of a government. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Stephen Ward was put on trial on pimping charges, but on the eve of his sentencing, he was found dead of an apparently self-administered sleeping pill overdose. To this day, some suspect foul play on the part of those about whom he might have known too much. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">His protégée Christine Keeler received six months of jail time for perjury during the trial of another ex-boyfriend, whom she’d claimed attacked her. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And a government inquiry exonerated Profumo of inadvertently passing state secrets to the Russian authorities, but later in 1963, Prime Minister Harold Macmillan fell ill and, at least partly exhausted by this relentless scandal, resigned. The Conservative party didn’t regain power again until 1970.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_104003\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1207px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-104003 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1207\" height=\"606\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM.png 1207w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-160x80.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-800x402.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-768x386.png 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-1020x512.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-1200x602.png 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-1180x592.png 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-960x482.png 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-240x120.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-375x188.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2018/06/Screenshot-2018-06-04-at-10.54.56-PM-520x261.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1207px) 100vw, 1207px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Christine Keeler arriving at court in 1963. (Dutch National Archives/Wikimedia Commons) \u003ccite>(Dutch National Archives)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Amid all the startling parallels to modern politics and public life, there’s one final element of this story that surprises: what John Profumo did next, after being caught in one of the biggest sexual misconduct scandals the UK had ever seen. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Months after the explosion of the #MeToo movement, we now find ourselves wondering what, if anything, we’re meant to \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">do\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> with an ever-growing list of disgraced men, many of whom are now actively planning their comebacks with varying degrees of humility. Total self-exile seems to be beyond most of those whose reputations now lie in tatters of their own making, yet over 50 years ago, that’s exactly what Profumo himself chose. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After apologizing to the prime minister, his political party, and the general public, he became a volunteer at an East London anti-poverty charity, where he quite literally scrubbed toilets. After that first self-flagellating penance as a quasi-janitor, Profumo continued volunteering there in administrative and fundraising roles. Right up until his death at age 90 in 2006, Profumo gave not one single interview -- no mea culpa profile, no humble photo shoot. Others -- including Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher -- spoke about him, and praised the re-dedication of his life to charity, but in a world of the swiftly-issued apology (or denial), Profumo’s own deafening silence is now almost unthinkable. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You’re entitled to your skepticism about the low stakes inherent in a man with vast inherited wealth being able to volunteer for the rest of his life, but the fact remains: Profumo’s charity atonement took place without the “story-straightening” soul-baring interviews, or the big symbolic “welcome back” to public life, and\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">lasted decades, for the rest of his life. For a man who once wielded such agency, whose voice carried such weight, mute self-exile feels like the ultimate renunciation of male power. How telling that the powerful men accused of far less consensual sexual behavior, over five decades later, won’t even seem to consider the same route.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This piece was inspired by an episode of \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. Give it a listen!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"program":"The Cooler","image":"https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/141/590x/Profumo-514838.jpg","label":"src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/06/Gyno.mp3\" title=\"The Profumo Affair\""},"numeric":["src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/06/Gyno.mp3\" title=\"The","Profumo","Affair\""]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/103993/the-profumo-affair-a-60s-political-scandal-for-2018","authors":["3243"],"categories":["pop_2937"],"tags":["pop_1100"],"featImg":"pop_104062","label":"pop"},"pop_103422":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_103422","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"103422","score":null,"sort":[1528200383000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"rebel-girls-from-bay-area-history-ruth-brinker-aids-activist","title":"The Retired Grandma Who Transformed HIV Care in Her Community","publishDate":1528200383,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The Retired Grandma Who Transformed HIV Care in Her Community | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>[dropcap]I[/dropcap]n 1985, America was in the midst of \u003ca href=\"https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/history/hiv-and-aids-timeline\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">scrambling to figure out how to tackle AIDS.\u003c/a> It was the year that Ronald Reagan was finally forced to publicly acknowledge the disease; the year of the very first \u003ca href=\"http://www.iasociety.org/About-IAS/About-the-IAS/history/ArticleID/6/April-1985-Atlanta-%E2%80%93-1st-International-AIDS-Conference-AIDS-1985\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">International AIDS Conference\u003c/a>; the year Rock Hudson died, leaving $250,000 behind to set up the \u003ca href=\"http://www.amfar.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">American Foundation for AIDS Research\u003c/a>; and the year retired grandmother Ruth Brinker decided something must be done to assist people with HIV in the community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time, fear around AIDS was at an all-time high. \u003cem>Time\u003c/em> magazine published \u003ca href=\"http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,959944,00.html#ixzz1ODE14wsi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">an article in September ’85\u003c/a>, documenting the hysteria and misinformation that was gripping communities nationwide. Subjects in the piece included a bishop who had stopped using the communion cup; a card player who had started wearing gloves during games; and schools with very low attendance rates because of fear of infection. Elsewhere, 13-year-old \u003ca href=\"https://hab.hrsa.gov/about-ryan-white-hivaids-program/who-was-ryan-white\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ryan White\u003c/a> was excluded from his Indiana middle school after contracting the virus from a blood transfusion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid=’pop_110017′]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brinker, a San Francisco resident, was acutely aware of these problems. The year before, she had watched on in horror as a young architect she knew was struck down by the disease. She took it upon herself to organize a group of volunteers to check on her friend and take meals to him. “I’d never had any experience with AIDS,” Brinker explained in 1989. “I was appalled at how quickly he became too sick to take care of himself. I realized then that there were people throughout the city who didn’t have my friend’s support.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Spurred into action by the desperate situation unfolding in San Francisco, Brinker began making meals for others in her vicinity who were too sick to get to a grocery store, or even cook at all. She delivered the food in an old VW van. As word spread about her good deeds, it became apparent that demand for the service was too great for Brinker to handle alone. What had started as a one-woman operation in her home kitchen moved to the basement of Trinity Episcopal Church in 1986, boosted by a $2000 grant, some donated kitchen equipment and a handful of volunteers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Such were the humble beginnings of \u003ca href=\"https://www.openhand.org/\">Project Open Hand\u003c/a> — the first ever non-profit to provide food and nutritional information to people living with HIV. It was clear early on how great the need for the new service was. Between 1986 and 1988, Project Open Hand’s budget swelled from $70,000 to $1 million. (Brinker once told \u003cem>Time\u003c/em> magazine simply, “You have to go out and beg.”) Even more remarkably, four decades after it began, the now-beloved organization continues to feed those in need around the Bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]B[/dropcap]rinker had moved to San Francisco from Hartford, South Dakota at the age of 33. Two years later, she married her husband, Jack, with whom she had two daughters. The Brinkers owned and ran an antique store, but by the mid-1970s, Ruth was managing a Meals on Wheels center. That led to a later position as director for a homeless food program at Trinity Church. These jobs undoubtedly provided the inspiration for Project Open Hand. Not only did Brinker understand the importance of providing food to those in need, she also understood that a human touch was essential too. She encouraged volunteers to spend time with the people they were delivering food to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The impact of the organization was swift and deeply felt. In 1989, POH expanded to also serve Alameda County. That same year, after the Loma Prieta earthquake, the project \u003ca href=\"http://pndblog.typepad.com/pndblog/2011/08/remembering-ruth-brinker.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">provided food to residents\u003c/a> whose houses had been destroyed. The following year, it joined forces with the seven-year-old Food Bank at the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfaf.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">San Francisco AIDS Foundation\u003c/a>, which, at that time, was already distributing bags of groceries to 600 people every week. By 2000, Project Open Hand was also serving seniors \u003ca href=\"http://www.noevalleyvoice.com/2006/February/060Ruth.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in over 20 San Francisco locations\u003c/a>, and people with all manner of debilitating diseases (cancer and heart disease included).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today, Project Open Hand is still thriving, providing an astonishing 2,600 meals and 200 bags of groceries per day, seven days a week, thanks to the tireless efforts of 110 staff members, and the 125 dedicated volunteers that show up daily. But it’s also reliant on the kindness of the community; \u003ca href=\"https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Project+Open+Hand\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">two thirds of its funding\u003c/a> comes from public donations. Its success has inspired the founding of \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Brinker\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">“dozens”\u003c/a> of similar organizations across the country, as well as in places as far flung as \u003ca href=\"http://pndblog.typepad.com/pndblog/2011/08/remembering-ruth-brinker.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the UK and South Africa\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Ft1LnME0c\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For a period in the ’90s, Brinker also set up and ran \u003ca href=\"http://www.grandtimes.com/lettuce.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fresh Start Farms,\u003c/a> a 1/4-acre plot on the corner of Ellis and Divisadero that grew designer greens (including nasturtium, mustard, rosemary, borage, and calendula) to sell to high-end restaurants. The farm exclusively employed refugees and people recovering from periods of homelessness. But it is Project Open Hand that Brinker will always be best remembered for.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ruth Marie Brinker \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ruth-Brinker-Project-Open-Hand-founder-dies-2334969.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">died of natural causes on August 13, 2011\u003c/a> at the age of 89. The outpouring after her death was enormous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have walked in the Pride Parade with many, many contingents,” attorney \u003ca href=\"https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/8/11/1005759/-\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bill Ambrunn said\u003c/a>, “including with popular elected officials and celebrities. But it was never like the experience walking with Ruth as part of the POH contingent. All along the parade route, you could hear people crying out, ‘We love you Ruth. Thank you Ruth.’ People clapped and cheered enthusiastically for the tiny little lady waving from the car. They knew her and knew her story and loved her. Even if they didn’t actually know her, many of them knew people she helped care for.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brinker remained modest throughout her life, regardless of the appreciation she received from others. “I always try to do things that need to be done,” \u003ca href=\"http://www.noevalleyvoice.com/2006/February/060Ruth.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">she told \u003cem>The Noe Valley Voice\u003c/em>\u003c/a> in 2006. “It seemed to me that this needed to be done, and I did it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>For stories on other Rebel Girls from Bay Area History, click \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/program/rebel-girls-from-bay-area-history\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here\u003c/a>. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"\"People clapped and cheered enthusiastically for the tiny little lady waving from the car. They knew her and knew her story and loved her.\"","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1714003568,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":1063},"headData":{"title":"The Retired Grandma Who Transformed HIV Care in Her Community | KQED","description":""People clapped and cheered enthusiastically for the tiny little lady waving from the car. They knew her and knew her story and loved her."","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"The Retired Grandma Who Transformed HIV Care in Her Community","datePublished":"2018-06-05T12:06:23.000Z","dateModified":"2024-04-25T00:06:08.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"source":"Rebel Girls From Bay Area History","sourceUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/rebelgirls","sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/pop/103422/rebel-girls-from-bay-area-history-ruth-brinker-aids-activist","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">I\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>n 1985, America was in the midst of \u003ca href=\"https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/history/hiv-and-aids-timeline\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">scrambling to figure out how to tackle AIDS.\u003c/a> It was the year that Ronald Reagan was finally forced to publicly acknowledge the disease; the year of the very first \u003ca href=\"http://www.iasociety.org/About-IAS/About-the-IAS/history/ArticleID/6/April-1985-Atlanta-%E2%80%93-1st-International-AIDS-Conference-AIDS-1985\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">International AIDS Conference\u003c/a>; the year Rock Hudson died, leaving $250,000 behind to set up the \u003ca href=\"http://www.amfar.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">American Foundation for AIDS Research\u003c/a>; and the year retired grandmother Ruth Brinker decided something must be done to assist people with HIV in the community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time, fear around AIDS was at an all-time high. \u003cem>Time\u003c/em> magazine published \u003ca href=\"http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,959944,00.html#ixzz1ODE14wsi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">an article in September ’85\u003c/a>, documenting the hysteria and misinformation that was gripping communities nationwide. Subjects in the piece included a bishop who had stopped using the communion cup; a card player who had started wearing gloves during games; and schools with very low attendance rates because of fear of infection. Elsewhere, 13-year-old \u003ca href=\"https://hab.hrsa.gov/about-ryan-white-hivaids-program/who-was-ryan-white\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ryan White\u003c/a> was excluded from his Indiana middle school after contracting the virus from a blood transfusion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"’pop_110017′","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brinker, a San Francisco resident, was acutely aware of these problems. The year before, she had watched on in horror as a young architect she knew was struck down by the disease. She took it upon herself to organize a group of volunteers to check on her friend and take meals to him. “I’d never had any experience with AIDS,” Brinker explained in 1989. “I was appalled at how quickly he became too sick to take care of himself. I realized then that there were people throughout the city who didn’t have my friend’s support.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Spurred into action by the desperate situation unfolding in San Francisco, Brinker began making meals for others in her vicinity who were too sick to get to a grocery store, or even cook at all. She delivered the food in an old VW van. As word spread about her good deeds, it became apparent that demand for the service was too great for Brinker to handle alone. What had started as a one-woman operation in her home kitchen moved to the basement of Trinity Episcopal Church in 1986, boosted by a $2000 grant, some donated kitchen equipment and a handful of volunteers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Such were the humble beginnings of \u003ca href=\"https://www.openhand.org/\">Project Open Hand\u003c/a> — the first ever non-profit to provide food and nutritional information to people living with HIV. It was clear early on how great the need for the new service was. Between 1986 and 1988, Project Open Hand’s budget swelled from $70,000 to $1 million. (Brinker once told \u003cem>Time\u003c/em> magazine simply, “You have to go out and beg.”) Even more remarkably, four decades after it began, the now-beloved organization continues to feed those in need around the Bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">B\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>rinker had moved to San Francisco from Hartford, South Dakota at the age of 33. Two years later, she married her husband, Jack, with whom she had two daughters. The Brinkers owned and ran an antique store, but by the mid-1970s, Ruth was managing a Meals on Wheels center. That led to a later position as director for a homeless food program at Trinity Church. These jobs undoubtedly provided the inspiration for Project Open Hand. Not only did Brinker understand the importance of providing food to those in need, she also understood that a human touch was essential too. She encouraged volunteers to spend time with the people they were delivering food to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The impact of the organization was swift and deeply felt. In 1989, POH expanded to also serve Alameda County. That same year, after the Loma Prieta earthquake, the project \u003ca href=\"http://pndblog.typepad.com/pndblog/2011/08/remembering-ruth-brinker.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">provided food to residents\u003c/a> whose houses had been destroyed. The following year, it joined forces with the seven-year-old Food Bank at the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfaf.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">San Francisco AIDS Foundation\u003c/a>, which, at that time, was already distributing bags of groceries to 600 people every week. By 2000, Project Open Hand was also serving seniors \u003ca href=\"http://www.noevalleyvoice.com/2006/February/060Ruth.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in over 20 San Francisco locations\u003c/a>, and people with all manner of debilitating diseases (cancer and heart disease included).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today, Project Open Hand is still thriving, providing an astonishing 2,600 meals and 200 bags of groceries per day, seven days a week, thanks to the tireless efforts of 110 staff members, and the 125 dedicated volunteers that show up daily. But it’s also reliant on the kindness of the community; \u003ca href=\"https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Project+Open+Hand\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">two thirds of its funding\u003c/a> comes from public donations. Its success has inspired the founding of \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Brinker\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">“dozens”\u003c/a> of similar organizations across the country, as well as in places as far flung as \u003ca href=\"http://pndblog.typepad.com/pndblog/2011/08/remembering-ruth-brinker.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the UK and South Africa\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/I2Ft1LnME0c'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/I2Ft1LnME0c'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>For a period in the ’90s, Brinker also set up and ran \u003ca href=\"http://www.grandtimes.com/lettuce.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fresh Start Farms,\u003c/a> a 1/4-acre plot on the corner of Ellis and Divisadero that grew designer greens (including nasturtium, mustard, rosemary, borage, and calendula) to sell to high-end restaurants. The farm exclusively employed refugees and people recovering from periods of homelessness. But it is Project Open Hand that Brinker will always be best remembered for.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ruth Marie Brinker \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ruth-Brinker-Project-Open-Hand-founder-dies-2334969.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">died of natural causes on August 13, 2011\u003c/a> at the age of 89. The outpouring after her death was enormous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have walked in the Pride Parade with many, many contingents,” attorney \u003ca href=\"https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/8/11/1005759/-\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bill Ambrunn said\u003c/a>, “including with popular elected officials and celebrities. But it was never like the experience walking with Ruth as part of the POH contingent. All along the parade route, you could hear people crying out, ‘We love you Ruth. Thank you Ruth.’ People clapped and cheered enthusiastically for the tiny little lady waving from the car. They knew her and knew her story and loved her. Even if they didn’t actually know her, many of them knew people she helped care for.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brinker remained modest throughout her life, regardless of the appreciation she received from others. “I always try to do things that need to be done,” \u003ca href=\"http://www.noevalleyvoice.com/2006/February/060Ruth.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">she told \u003cem>The Noe Valley Voice\u003c/em>\u003c/a> in 2006. “It seemed to me that this needed to be done, and I did it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12127869\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/09/Q.Logo_.Break_-800x78.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"78\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>For stories on other Rebel Girls from Bay Area History, click \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/program/rebel-girls-from-bay-area-history\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here\u003c/a>. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/103422/rebel-girls-from-bay-area-history-ruth-brinker-aids-activist","authors":["11242"],"programs":["pop_3828"],"categories":["pop_131","pop_2937"],"tags":["pop_681","pop_3721","pop_1100","pop_3174","pop_3493","pop_3822"],"featImg":"pop_113165","label":"source_pop_103422"},"pop_98436":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_98436","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"98436","score":null,"sort":[1516184549000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"weird-stories-your-history-teacher-should-have-taught-you","title":"Weird Stories Your History Teacher Should Have Taught You","publishDate":1516184549,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thecooler/2018/01/BestofWeirdHistory.mp3\" title=\"Weird Stories Your History Teacher Should Have Taught You\" program=\"The Cooler\" image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/03/clo.jpg\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"aligncenter\">\n\u003cdiv>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/DownloadOniTunes_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://play.google.com/music/m/Ig3hk6qa4fzcgjp2kagptfgu4u4?t=The_Cooler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/Google_Play_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This week, we're taking a walk down memory lane and revisiting some of the show's most popular weird history segments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Remember the married woman who hid a secret lover in her attic for over a decade?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/06/29/meet-walburga-the-married-woman-who-hid-a-secret-lover-in-her-attic-for-a-decade/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or all the weird presidential facts involving deadly cherries, cursing parrots, and vandalism at Shakespeare's house?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/02/18/weird-facts-you-never-knew-about-the-u-s-presidents/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or the Old Hollywood shade-trospective of the bad blood between Bette Davis and Joan Crawford?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/08/24/bette-davis-v-joan-crawford-the-hateful-history-behind-old-hollywoods-nastiest-feud/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Enjoy all the lessons your history teacher should have taught you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Until next week! \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/id1041117499\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Subscribe and rate us in iTunes\u003c/a>! And find us on \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/KQED-Pop-336039936485067/timeline/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Facebook\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/kqedpop\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Twitter\u003c/a>!\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Take a walk down memory lane with us as we revisit some of our most popular weird history segments.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1515626764,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":8,"wordCount":210},"headData":{"title":"Weird Stories Your History Teacher Should Have Taught You | KQED","description":"Take a walk down memory lane with us as we revisit some of our most popular weird history 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Give it a listen!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/06/1967SummerofLove.mp3\" title=\"Summer of Love Bops The World Forgot\" program=\"The Cooler\" image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/03/clo.jpg\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"aligncenter\">\n\u003cdiv>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/DownloadOniTunes_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://play.google.com/music/m/Ig3hk6qa4fzcgjp2kagptfgu4u4?t=The_Cooler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/Google_Play_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This summer marks the 50th anniversary of the Summer of Love, which saw as many as 100,000 flower children descend on San Francisco’s Haight-Ashbury neighborhood to start a revolution based on love, unity, peace, flower crowns, lots and lots of weed, and, last but certainly not least, music! Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, the Grateful Dead, the Mamas and the Papas, Jefferson Airplane: these are the names that come to mind when thinking of 1967. But this is only a partial picture. What else were people jamming to during the Summer of Love? What are the songs that were popular, but didn’t become canonized in the historical counterculture narrative, and are now more or less forgotten?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In order to find the answer to these questions and get a fuller idea of what music in 1967 was \u003cem>really\u003c/em> like, I dove head first into the deepest, darkest parts of the Billboard chart archives. Here’s what I found:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You most likely remember the song “San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair),” which was written for Scott McKenzie by John Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas. In case you're not familiar, it’s a certified bop and sounds like this:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I0vkKy504U\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Released in May of 1967, the song was an instant classic, convincing even more hippies to migrate to San Francisco that summer, and going on to sell seven million copies. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A song you most likely\u003cem> don't\u003c/em> remember is \"Let's Go to San Francisco,\" by a British band called the Flower Pot Men (Mary Jane reference, you dig?). The group released the song a few months after Scott McKenzie's monster smash, trying to capitalize on the let's-ditch-our-lives-and-live-it-up-in-SF movement. It was moderately popular in the UK, but had little to no crossover appeal in the States. The Flower Pot Children are considered a one-hit wonder across the pond.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puuWsTitPa4\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When a song is called \"I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman,\" you want answers. But you're not going to get any from this Whistling Jack Smith number, because there are no lyrics -- just passionate whistling. Despite there being no words to sing along with, the song was a big hit, reaching No. 20 on the Billboard Hot 100 and spending seven weeks on the chart. None of this makes sense, but this live performance of what can best be described as Spock's younger gay brother hopping around on a big stage emphatically whistling for several minutes makes it all worthwhile. Behold this thing of beauty:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQQ5sEOhbjQ\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A band called the Box Tops had a No. 1 hit during the summer of 1967 with a song about the power of snail mail called “The Letter.” \u003ca href=\"http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-500-greatest-songs-of-all-time-20110407/the-box-tops-the-letter-20110526\">According to \u003cem>Rolling Stone\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, “The Letter” is one of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toBl4rvTgs8\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A lesser-known song about correspondence that didn't make it onto \u003cem>Rolling Stone\u003c/em>’s list, \"Western Union\" by the Five Americans reached No. 8 on the charts before fading away. And I’m not sure why, because it’s glorious. It’s about being broken up with via telegram, which was the '60s version of being broken up with \u003ca href=\"https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/95/19/8a9519f71f2ddcf0413f589f0177ebbe.jpg\">via Post-it note\u003c/a> or text message. Plus, the chorus involves the band members mimicking the sound of a telegram. What else could you want?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJMwxucTJyo\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Anyone who knows me knows I love a good witch. Stevie Nicks, the girls from \u003cem>Charmed\u003c/em>, Nicole Kidman in \u003cem>Practical Magic\u003c/em>, Bette Midler in \u003cem>Hocus Pocus\u003c/em>, Lana del Rey, teenage Sabrina, the girls from \u003cem>The Craft\u003c/em>, Hermione Granger, Luna Lovegood, Professor McGonagall... I could go on. So it's no surprise that I’m in love with a song called “The Oogum Boogum Song” by Brenton Wood, which peaked at No. 19 on the Billboard chart. It’s about a hot hipster witch putting a spell on him. Been there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuWC0T3izDs\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speaking of witches, the Fifth Estate had a hit with “Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead,” which borrows from \u003cem>The Wizard of Oz\u003c/em> and features a cheery little whistle that makes me want to twerk for some reason (don't judge me). The song peaked at No. 11 and spent 10 weeks on the charts.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT3QhfiGxRI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A random trend around 1967 was spoken word songs by Congressmen. Can you image Mitch McConnell talking in his native language of \u003ca href=\"http://i.imgur.com/9q7OlUS.jpg\">Frowning Turtle\u003c/a> over a trap beat? 2017 has had so many atrocities already, that I wouldn’t even be surprised. Back in the '60s, 71-year-old Senator Everett Dirksen became the oldest person to reach the Top 40 with “Gallant Men.” The song was meant for the troops and climbed all the way up to No. 29, despite being boring as sin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAt1VJfEq2k\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a response to “Gallant Men,” a comedian named Bill Minkin released a cover version of “Wild Thing,” under the pseudonym Senator Bobby, in the voice of -- you guessed it -- Robert Kennedy. Despite no one asking for this, and its overall weirdness, the song reached No. 20 on the charts. Maybe the hot penny whistle lick turned people on?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAD9QTNpbdY\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While we’re on the topic of songs by white dudes who can’t sing, “An Open Letter to My Teenage Son” by Victor Lundberg, a random newscaster from Grand Rapids, Michigan, became a very unlikely top 10 hit, despite the fact that the track is essentially a rambling rant about long hair, beards, glue-sniffing, whether god is dead, and George Washington. The song escalates quickly, ending with this threat:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>And I will remind you that your mother will love you no matter what you do, because she is a woman\u003cbr>\nAnd I love you too, son\u003cbr>\nBut I also love our country and the principles for which we stand\u003cbr>\nAnd if you decide to burn your draft card\u003cbr>\nthen burn your birth certificate at the same time\u003cbr>\nFrom that moment on, I have no son\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Ummm, okay then.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBU6GkseD1w\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speaking of war, a band called the Royal Guardsmen had a hit with a song all about Snoopy -- yes, that Snoopy -- fighting Germans, called “Snoopy vs. the Red Baron.” I've listened to this song more than a few times in an attempt to deduce why this band decided to pair a cartoon dog with a German antagonist, and all I've come up with is: ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJ1Gnh9wPU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Our culture is full of single-named legends: Madonna. Prince. Cher. Keith? A random dude with the most generic name had a huge hit in 1967 called \"98.6\" about how much he loves the sun and his natural body temperature. It reached No. 6 on the charts. Two decades later, Keith, possibly annoyed that no one remembered his name, legally changed it to Bazza Keefer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykN6Cz05bLM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You know that feeling when you get out of work on a Friday afternoon and you think to the wide universe, \u003cem>Put all the liquor inside me\u003c/em>? Well, there’s a song for that feeling by Helena Ferguson called “Where Is The Party?” It did not do well on the charts, but I think that’s a mistake, and so will you once you hear her craving croon, which can be likened to a tipsy motorcycle rev.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVxS3OIlfs0\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you hate music, history, and the '60s, and have been really bored throughout this article, then \"I'm Bored\" by the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band (yes, that's their real name) is for you:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jrnfKe7rqU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If, on the other hand, you weren’t bored by all of this music from 1967, there’s even more where these selections came from. Indulge in a summer of music-loving pleasure with this Spotify playlist I made just for you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://open.spotify.com/embed/user/excusemybeauty/playlist/1FIJj38cB3UkQw2MMiaVOL\" width=\"300\" height=\"380\" frameborder=\"0\" allowtransparency=\"true\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Peace out!\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"What are the songs that were popular in 1967, but didn’t stand the test of time and are now more or less forgotten?","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1512008199,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":25,"wordCount":1500},"headData":{"title":"Beyond Janis and Jimi: The Forgotten Jams from the Summer of Love | KQED","description":"What are the songs that were popular in 1967, but didn’t stand the test of time and are now more or less forgotten?","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Beyond Janis and Jimi: The Forgotten Jams from the Summer of Love","datePublished":"2017-06-08T12:00:47.000Z","dateModified":"2017-11-30T02:16:39.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"84150 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=84150","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/06/08/beyond-janis-and-jimi-the-forgotten-jams-from-the-summer-of-love/","disqusTitle":"Beyond Janis and Jimi: The Forgotten Jams from the Summer of Love","path":"/pop/84150/beyond-janis-and-jimi-the-forgotten-jams-from-the-summer-of-love","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>This piece was inspired by an episode of \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. Give it a listen!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"program":"The Cooler","image":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/03/clo.jpg","label":"src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/06/1967SummerofLove.mp3\" title=\"Summer of Love Bops The World Forgot\""},"numeric":["src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/06/1967SummerofLove.mp3\" title=\"Summer","of","Love","Bops","The","World","Forgot\""]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"aligncenter\">\n\u003cdiv>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/DownloadOniTunes_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://play.google.com/music/m/Ig3hk6qa4fzcgjp2kagptfgu4u4?t=The_Cooler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/Google_Play_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This summer marks the 50th anniversary of the Summer of Love, which saw as many as 100,000 flower children descend on San Francisco’s Haight-Ashbury neighborhood to start a revolution based on love, unity, peace, flower crowns, lots and lots of weed, and, last but certainly not least, music! Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, the Grateful Dead, the Mamas and the Papas, Jefferson Airplane: these are the names that come to mind when thinking of 1967. But this is only a partial picture. What else were people jamming to during the Summer of Love? What are the songs that were popular, but didn’t become canonized in the historical counterculture narrative, and are now more or less forgotten?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In order to find the answer to these questions and get a fuller idea of what music in 1967 was \u003cem>really\u003c/em> like, I dove head first into the deepest, darkest parts of the Billboard chart archives. Here’s what I found:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You most likely remember the song “San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair),” which was written for Scott McKenzie by John Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas. In case you're not familiar, it’s a certified bop and sounds like this:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/7I0vkKy504U'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/7I0vkKy504U'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Released in May of 1967, the song was an instant classic, convincing even more hippies to migrate to San Francisco that summer, and going on to sell seven million copies. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A song you most likely\u003cem> don't\u003c/em> remember is \"Let's Go to San Francisco,\" by a British band called the Flower Pot Men (Mary Jane reference, you dig?). The group released the song a few months after Scott McKenzie's monster smash, trying to capitalize on the let's-ditch-our-lives-and-live-it-up-in-SF movement. It was moderately popular in the UK, but had little to no crossover appeal in the States. The Flower Pot Children are considered a one-hit wonder across the pond.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/puuWsTitPa4'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/puuWsTitPa4'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When a song is called \"I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman,\" you want answers. But you're not going to get any from this Whistling Jack Smith number, because there are no lyrics -- just passionate whistling. Despite there being no words to sing along with, the song was a big hit, reaching No. 20 on the Billboard Hot 100 and spending seven weeks on the chart. None of this makes sense, but this live performance of what can best be described as Spock's younger gay brother hopping around on a big stage emphatically whistling for several minutes makes it all worthwhile. Behold this thing of beauty:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/zQQ5sEOhbjQ'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/zQQ5sEOhbjQ'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A band called the Box Tops had a No. 1 hit during the summer of 1967 with a song about the power of snail mail called “The Letter.” \u003ca href=\"http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-500-greatest-songs-of-all-time-20110407/the-box-tops-the-letter-20110526\">According to \u003cem>Rolling Stone\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, “The Letter” is one of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/toBl4rvTgs8'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/toBl4rvTgs8'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A lesser-known song about correspondence that didn't make it onto \u003cem>Rolling Stone\u003c/em>’s list, \"Western Union\" by the Five Americans reached No. 8 on the charts before fading away. And I’m not sure why, because it’s glorious. It’s about being broken up with via telegram, which was the '60s version of being broken up with \u003ca href=\"https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/95/19/8a9519f71f2ddcf0413f589f0177ebbe.jpg\">via Post-it note\u003c/a> or text message. Plus, the chorus involves the band members mimicking the sound of a telegram. What else could you want?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/fJMwxucTJyo'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/fJMwxucTJyo'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Anyone who knows me knows I love a good witch. Stevie Nicks, the girls from \u003cem>Charmed\u003c/em>, Nicole Kidman in \u003cem>Practical Magic\u003c/em>, Bette Midler in \u003cem>Hocus Pocus\u003c/em>, Lana del Rey, teenage Sabrina, the girls from \u003cem>The Craft\u003c/em>, Hermione Granger, Luna Lovegood, Professor McGonagall... I could go on. So it's no surprise that I’m in love with a song called “The Oogum Boogum Song” by Brenton Wood, which peaked at No. 19 on the Billboard chart. It’s about a hot hipster witch putting a spell on him. Been there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/LuWC0T3izDs'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/LuWC0T3izDs'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speaking of witches, the Fifth Estate had a hit with “Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead,” which borrows from \u003cem>The Wizard of Oz\u003c/em> and features a cheery little whistle that makes me want to twerk for some reason (don't judge me). The song peaked at No. 11 and spent 10 weeks on the charts.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/gT3QhfiGxRI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/gT3QhfiGxRI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>A random trend around 1967 was spoken word songs by Congressmen. Can you image Mitch McConnell talking in his native language of \u003ca href=\"http://i.imgur.com/9q7OlUS.jpg\">Frowning Turtle\u003c/a> over a trap beat? 2017 has had so many atrocities already, that I wouldn’t even be surprised. Back in the '60s, 71-year-old Senator Everett Dirksen became the oldest person to reach the Top 40 with “Gallant Men.” The song was meant for the troops and climbed all the way up to No. 29, despite being boring as sin.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/fAt1VJfEq2k'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/fAt1VJfEq2k'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>As a response to “Gallant Men,” a comedian named Bill Minkin released a cover version of “Wild Thing,” under the pseudonym Senator Bobby, in the voice of -- you guessed it -- Robert Kennedy. Despite no one asking for this, and its overall weirdness, the song reached No. 20 on the charts. Maybe the hot penny whistle lick turned people on?\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/bAD9QTNpbdY'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/bAD9QTNpbdY'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While we’re on the topic of songs by white dudes who can’t sing, “An Open Letter to My Teenage Son” by Victor Lundberg, a random newscaster from Grand Rapids, Michigan, became a very unlikely top 10 hit, despite the fact that the track is essentially a rambling rant about long hair, beards, glue-sniffing, whether god is dead, and George Washington. The song escalates quickly, ending with this threat:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>And I will remind you that your mother will love you no matter what you do, because she is a woman\u003cbr>\nAnd I love you too, son\u003cbr>\nBut I also love our country and the principles for which we stand\u003cbr>\nAnd if you decide to burn your draft card\u003cbr>\nthen burn your birth certificate at the same time\u003cbr>\nFrom that moment on, I have no son\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Ummm, okay then.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/gBU6GkseD1w'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/gBU6GkseD1w'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speaking of war, a band called the Royal Guardsmen had a hit with a song all about Snoopy -- yes, that Snoopy -- fighting Germans, called “Snoopy vs. the Red Baron.” I've listened to this song more than a few times in an attempt to deduce why this band decided to pair a cartoon dog with a German antagonist, and all I've come up with is: ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/wtJ1Gnh9wPU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/wtJ1Gnh9wPU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Our culture is full of single-named legends: Madonna. Prince. Cher. Keith? A random dude with the most generic name had a huge hit in 1967 called \"98.6\" about how much he loves the sun and his natural body temperature. It reached No. 6 on the charts. Two decades later, Keith, possibly annoyed that no one remembered his name, legally changed it to Bazza Keefer.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/ykN6Cz05bLM'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/ykN6Cz05bLM'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>You know that feeling when you get out of work on a Friday afternoon and you think to the wide universe, \u003cem>Put all the liquor inside me\u003c/em>? Well, there’s a song for that feeling by Helena Ferguson called “Where Is The Party?” It did not do well on the charts, but I think that’s a mistake, and so will you once you hear her craving croon, which can be likened to a tipsy motorcycle rev.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/yVxS3OIlfs0'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/yVxS3OIlfs0'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>If you hate music, history, and the '60s, and have been really bored throughout this article, then \"I'm Bored\" by the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band (yes, that's their real name) is for you:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/5jrnfKe7rqU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/5jrnfKe7rqU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>If, on the other hand, you weren’t bored by all of this music from 1967, there’s even more where these selections came from. Indulge in a summer of music-loving pleasure with this Spotify playlist I made just for you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://open.spotify.com/embed/user/excusemybeauty/playlist/1FIJj38cB3UkQw2MMiaVOL\" width=\"300\" height=\"380\" frameborder=\"0\" allowtransparency=\"true\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Peace out!\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/84150/beyond-janis-and-jimi-the-forgotten-jams-from-the-summer-of-love","authors":["27"],"categories":["pop_4"],"tags":["pop_1100"],"featImg":"pop_85177","label":"pop"},"pop_82832":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_82832","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"82832","score":null,"sort":[1496322033000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"how-rosie-odonnell-vs-elisabeth-hasselbeck-predicted-our-current-political-discourse","title":"How Rosie O'Donnell vs. Elisabeth Hasselbeck Predicted Our Current Political Discourse","publishDate":1496322033,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>This piece was inspired by an episode of \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. Give it a listen!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/05/Diesel.mp3\" title=\"Rosie vs. Elisabeth, 10 Years Later\" program=\"The Cooler\" image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/03/clo.jpg\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"aligncenter\">\n\u003cdiv>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/DownloadOniTunes_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://play.google.com/music/m/Ig3hk6qa4fzcgjp2kagptfgu4u4?t=The_Cooler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/Google_Play_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Certain historical events leave a mark. Some even go on to define entire generations. Where were you when JFK was shot? When Obama won the 2008 election? When Kurt Cobain died? When O.J. tried to speed away from the law in a Bronco? It makes sense why we can’t shake these moments; they changed the landscape of politics, culture, and so much more.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But iconic historical moments are not all created equal. There are macro events, like the ones mentioned above, that affect a grand swath of people, and then there are smaller, less significant cultural moments that only stick in the minds of a select few. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you remember where you were on May 23, 2007? I’m guessing that’s a no. But I do. That was the day Rosie O’Donnell and former \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Survivor\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> contestant / conservative pundit Elisabeth Hasselbeck yelled in each other’s faces on \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, leading to the show’s first use of a split-screen, and Rosie’s premature exit from the show. Daytime TV had never been so radical or so real.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But before we get into the impact of that moment, let’s get some backstory:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright wp-image-83808\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-800x875.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-800x875.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-160x175.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-768x840.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-240x263.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-375x410.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-520x569.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs.jpg 936w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003c/a>Rosie O’Donnell made a name for herself in movies like \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A League of Their Own\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Flintstones\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sleepless in Seattle\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Harriet the Spy\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. But with her talk show, \u003cem>The Rosie O'Donnell Show\u003c/em>, she really shot to fame, like \u003ca href=\"https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0c/b4/01/0cb401d5fea759842810918bedb2ae6b.jpg\">a koosh ball arcing into a studio audience\u003c/a>. She came to be known as the \"Queen of Nice.\" She kept conversations with her celebrity guests fun and light. Still in the closet, she played up her love of Tom Cruise. She made strangers' lives better by giving away scholarships, donations, and gifts. She sang show tunes and geeked out over Barbara Streisand. She did everything Ellen now gets to do (thanks to Rosie paving the way).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_83817\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 430px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-83817\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"430\" height=\"412\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg 680w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-160x153.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-240x230.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-375x359.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-520x498.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-32x32.jpg 32w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 430px) 100vw, 430px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo: ABC\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Rosie Show\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> ended, six seasons later in 2002, Rosie left the limelight to focus on her family. It wasn’t long before people in the industry tried to coax her back onto daytime television. She turned down all offers -- until one of her childhood idols, Barbara Walters, asked her to be the main host of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. She agreed, and returned to the space that put her on the map. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the Rosie that showed up on set in 2006 was not the Rosie America had grown accustomed to. This new Rosie was an out lesbian who was no longer afraid to speak her mind on politics and everything else. Rather than keeping it cute, Rosie had found her voice and wasn’t going to give it up without a fight. After years of saying what America was ready to hear, she switched gears to what America \u003cem>needed\u003c/em> to hear.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-83821\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"315\" height=\"233\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg 315w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007-160x118.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007-240x178.jpg 240w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 315px) 100vw, 315px\">\u003c/a>Her stint on \u003ci>The View\u003c/i> lasted only a year, and was filled with drama at every turn. Fox News regularly attacked her for her views on the Iraq War and President George W. Bush. This, remember, was in the wake of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.reut/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dixie Chicks being blacklisted\u003c/a> for their political opinions, which created an environment that equated criticism of Bush and his administration's policies with being anti-American or unpatriotic. \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/politics/donald-trump-rosie-odonnell-feud/\">Donald Trump also got into the action, attacking Rosie \u003c/a>for bringing up his bankruptcies and mocking his combover, calling her \"a woman out of control\" and threatening to sue her (\"Rosie will rue the words she said. I'll most likely sue her for making those false statements -- and it'll be fun. Rosie's a loser. A real loser. I look forward to taking lots of money from my nice fat little Rosie\").\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As if that wasn't enough, Rosie had to regularly go toe-to-toe with panelist Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who was aided by an executive producer who -- rumor has it -- fed Hasselback with Republican party talking points every morning. Every weekday, in front of millions, Elisabeth would dish out an entrée of alternative facts, and Rosie would take the bait.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The near-constant sparring resulted in numerous news cycles of Rosie being painted as the alleged bully and antagonist to Hasselbeck’s innocent-seeming, pretty, conservative Christian (one\u003c/span> \u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Los Angeles Times \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">piece went with the headline\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\"\u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-goldberg3apr03-column.html\">The 'Queen of Nice' Goes Nuts\u003c/a>\")\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. The fact that Hasselbeck was pregnant for this particular season of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em> didn’t necessarily help optics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_83822\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-83822\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-800x909.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"455\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-800x909.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-160x182.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-768x873.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1020x1159.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1920x2182.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1180x1341.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-960x1091.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-240x273.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-375x426.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-520x591.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rosie and Barbara in happier times. (Photo by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Each time some feud blossomed, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> enjoyed huge ratings, leading to a 17% increase in viewers from the previous Rosie-less season. Despite having a hit on their hands, things weren’t too joyous behind the scenes. A culture of distrust began to build; Rosie felt as though Walters, whom she thought of as a surrogate mother, didn’t have her back -- and that Walters and the show's producers were setting her up for more and more fireworks with Hasselbeck.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On May 23, 2007, everything finally boiled over. Comedian Joy Behar started a conversation about Al Gore and Jimmy Carter's belief that Bush was the country’s worst president, and listed Bush’s bad qualities (his handling of torture at Abu Ghraib; his response to Hurricane Katrina; his repeated mispronunciation of \"nuclear\"; the time he choked on a pretzel). Joy, Elisabeth, and Sherri Shepherd (a woman who, on a different episode of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>, said \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrkaH_V7fE\">the world might actually be flat\u003c/a>) got into it for several minutes, while Rosie sat quietly. Tired of having her words misconstrued by Fox News every night, she was waiting for the clock to run out on her contract in a few weeks. But she couldn’t help but say something in response to Elisabeth calling Iraqis our enemies.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Things quickly exploded:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAwoPLhJVAs\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Six uninterrupted minutes of an epic, messy, personal fight ensued. The curtain was pulled back to reveal not just TV personalities debating \"hot topics,\" but one human being feeling betrayed and used by someone she thought was a friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This moment evokes and pokes holes in an idea that's been batted around a lot since the 2016 election -- that the way to heal the divisions in the country is for people from opposite ends of the political spectrum to engage in conversation. (If only liberals and conservatives had broken bread and chatted about their differences over some Budweisers, the thinking goes, then the country wouldn't have elected a man who called Mexican immigrants \"rapists,\" mocked a disabled reporter, promised to ban Muslims, and admitted to sexual assault on camera.) But no matter how good anyone's intentions may be, it can be impossible to have a productive dialogue when one person's belief system is founded in another's oppression, or argues against another's humanity and right to exist. There’s isn’t anywhere to go from there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">During the back-and-forth, Rosie noticed that the producers had placed a split-screen between the two women so that viewers at home could watch each of their faces getting redder and angrier. The split-screen had never been used on the program before, and Rosie has said that she believes they crafted it specifically for this inevitability, which they seemed to hope would happen someday. They got their wish, and Rosie didn't return to the show the next day -- or the following day, or the one after that. A few weeks before her contract expired, Rosie quit.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-x78w48Es\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Last week marked that moment’s tenth anniversary. A lot has happened in the past 10 years, but has our discourse really changed that much? After a detour to the left during the oasis of Obama, we’re right back into a timeline where criticizing the President or his administration is seen as unpatriotic. These days, President Trump will tweet about any celebrity who criticizes him (Rosie is still one of his favorite targets, so much so that he randomly brought her up during one of the 2016 presidential debates). And, beyond celebrities, working journalists are regularly attacked -- figuratively and literally -- for reporting the facts. Trump declaring the press “the enemy of the people” and “fake news” has engendered a culture in which a Montana Republican seeking election \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/867535038749040640\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">body-slams a reporter for asking a question\u003c/a>, and it’s not even the most shocking news item of the day.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every year, reality TV thrives more and more on conflict, overturned tables, wig tugs, and televised celebrity firings. It's gotten so bad that, on\u003cem> Love & Hip Hop Hollywood\u003c/em>,\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Tacky_Nerd/status/656206312120975360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbossip.com%2F1242768%2Fyuck-on-yuck-lhhh-star-nikki-baby-mudarris-claps-back-at-nasty-nastassia-for-throwing-vomit-at-her-during-fight%2F\"> one woman vomited into her hand and threw it in another woman's face\u003c/a>. Has reality TV influenced us into becoming more conflict-oriented? Or has reality TV simply been holding up a mirror to what we already were? It's hard to say, but something that’s clear is that this moment between Rosie and Elisabeth foretold what we’re living through now: a culture of division, and a culture in which someone speaking or reporting truth will be smeared or punished. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright wp-image-83818\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"517\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg 670w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-160x207.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-240x310.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-375x485.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-520x672.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/a>Since their epic showdown, Rosie has returned to stand-up and acting. Hasselbeck moved over to Fox News, where she was able to make statements like “\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why has the Black Lives Matter movement not been classified yet as a hate group?\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">” before eventually being replaced by another young blonde woman. In 2014, when Elisabeth heard that Rosie was asked to return as a host of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>, she did not take the high road: \"What could ruin a vacation more than to hear news like this?\" she said. \"Talk about not securing the border. Here comes to \u003cem>The View\u003c/em> the very woman who spit in the face of our military, spit in the face of her own network and really in the face of a person who stood by her and had civilized debates for the time that she was there. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am happy to have a #momversation about why I would never defend her 2007 comments. #letfreedomring.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As far as I know, Rosie didn't respond to Elisabeth's remarks or take her up on that \"#momversation,\" and I don't blame her. As comforting as the notion of healing through conversation may be, I don't see much hope for Rosie and Elisabeth to ever mend fences. And the way things have gone in the past 10 years, I'm not sure \"conversation\" is going to unite the divided left and right in America either. But I hope I'm wrong. I really do.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Ten years later, the explosive debate on 'The View' feels more prescient than ever.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1512008210,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":1887},"headData":{"title":"How Rosie O'Donnell vs. Elisabeth Hasselbeck Predicted Our Current Political Discourse | KQED","description":"Ten years later, the explosive debate on 'The View' feels more prescient than ever.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"How Rosie O'Donnell vs. Elisabeth Hasselbeck Predicted Our Current Political Discourse","datePublished":"2017-06-01T13:00:33.000Z","dateModified":"2017-11-30T02:16:50.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"82832 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=82832","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/06/01/how-rosie-odonnell-vs-elisabeth-hasselbeck-predicted-our-current-political-discourse/","disqusTitle":"How Rosie O'Donnell vs. Elisabeth Hasselbeck Predicted Our Current Political Discourse","path":"/pop/82832/how-rosie-odonnell-vs-elisabeth-hasselbeck-predicted-our-current-political-discourse","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>This piece was inspired by an episode of \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. Give it a listen!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"program":"The Cooler","image":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/03/clo.jpg","label":"src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/05/Diesel.mp3\" title=\"Rosie vs. Elisabeth, 10 Years Later\""},"numeric":["src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/05/Diesel.mp3\" title=\"Rosie","vs.","Elisabeth,","10","Years","Later\""]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"aligncenter\">\n\u003cdiv>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/DownloadOniTunes_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://play.google.com/music/m/Ig3hk6qa4fzcgjp2kagptfgu4u4?t=The_Cooler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/Google_Play_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Certain historical events leave a mark. Some even go on to define entire generations. Where were you when JFK was shot? When Obama won the 2008 election? When Kurt Cobain died? When O.J. tried to speed away from the law in a Bronco? It makes sense why we can’t shake these moments; they changed the landscape of politics, culture, and so much more.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But iconic historical moments are not all created equal. There are macro events, like the ones mentioned above, that affect a grand swath of people, and then there are smaller, less significant cultural moments that only stick in the minds of a select few. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you remember where you were on May 23, 2007? I’m guessing that’s a no. But I do. That was the day Rosie O’Donnell and former \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Survivor\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> contestant / conservative pundit Elisabeth Hasselbeck yelled in each other’s faces on \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, leading to the show’s first use of a split-screen, and Rosie’s premature exit from the show. Daytime TV had never been so radical or so real.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But before we get into the impact of that moment, let’s get some backstory:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright wp-image-83808\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-800x875.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-800x875.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-160x175.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-768x840.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-240x263.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-375x410.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-520x569.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs.jpg 936w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003c/a>Rosie O’Donnell made a name for herself in movies like \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A League of Their Own\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Flintstones\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sleepless in Seattle\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Harriet the Spy\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. But with her talk show, \u003cem>The Rosie O'Donnell Show\u003c/em>, she really shot to fame, like \u003ca href=\"https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0c/b4/01/0cb401d5fea759842810918bedb2ae6b.jpg\">a koosh ball arcing into a studio audience\u003c/a>. She came to be known as the \"Queen of Nice.\" She kept conversations with her celebrity guests fun and light. Still in the closet, she played up her love of Tom Cruise. She made strangers' lives better by giving away scholarships, donations, and gifts. She sang show tunes and geeked out over Barbara Streisand. She did everything Ellen now gets to do (thanks to Rosie paving the way).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_83817\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 430px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-83817\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"430\" height=\"412\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg 680w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-160x153.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-240x230.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-375x359.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-520x498.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-32x32.jpg 32w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 430px) 100vw, 430px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo: ABC\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Rosie Show\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> ended, six seasons later in 2002, Rosie left the limelight to focus on her family. It wasn’t long before people in the industry tried to coax her back onto daytime television. She turned down all offers -- until one of her childhood idols, Barbara Walters, asked her to be the main host of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. She agreed, and returned to the space that put her on the map. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the Rosie that showed up on set in 2006 was not the Rosie America had grown accustomed to. This new Rosie was an out lesbian who was no longer afraid to speak her mind on politics and everything else. Rather than keeping it cute, Rosie had found her voice and wasn’t going to give it up without a fight. After years of saying what America was ready to hear, she switched gears to what America \u003cem>needed\u003c/em> to hear.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-83821\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"315\" height=\"233\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg 315w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007-160x118.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007-240x178.jpg 240w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 315px) 100vw, 315px\">\u003c/a>Her stint on \u003ci>The View\u003c/i> lasted only a year, and was filled with drama at every turn. Fox News regularly attacked her for her views on the Iraq War and President George W. Bush. This, remember, was in the wake of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.reut/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dixie Chicks being blacklisted\u003c/a> for their political opinions, which created an environment that equated criticism of Bush and his administration's policies with being anti-American or unpatriotic. \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/politics/donald-trump-rosie-odonnell-feud/\">Donald Trump also got into the action, attacking Rosie \u003c/a>for bringing up his bankruptcies and mocking his combover, calling her \"a woman out of control\" and threatening to sue her (\"Rosie will rue the words she said. I'll most likely sue her for making those false statements -- and it'll be fun. Rosie's a loser. A real loser. I look forward to taking lots of money from my nice fat little Rosie\").\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As if that wasn't enough, Rosie had to regularly go toe-to-toe with panelist Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who was aided by an executive producer who -- rumor has it -- fed Hasselback with Republican party talking points every morning. Every weekday, in front of millions, Elisabeth would dish out an entrée of alternative facts, and Rosie would take the bait.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The near-constant sparring resulted in numerous news cycles of Rosie being painted as the alleged bully and antagonist to Hasselbeck’s innocent-seeming, pretty, conservative Christian (one\u003c/span> \u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Los Angeles Times \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">piece went with the headline\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\"\u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-goldberg3apr03-column.html\">The 'Queen of Nice' Goes Nuts\u003c/a>\")\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. The fact that Hasselbeck was pregnant for this particular season of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em> didn’t necessarily help optics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_83822\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-83822\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-800x909.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"455\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-800x909.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-160x182.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-768x873.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1020x1159.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1920x2182.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1180x1341.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-960x1091.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-240x273.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-375x426.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-520x591.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rosie and Barbara in happier times. (Photo by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Each time some feud blossomed, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> enjoyed huge ratings, leading to a 17% increase in viewers from the previous Rosie-less season. Despite having a hit on their hands, things weren’t too joyous behind the scenes. A culture of distrust began to build; Rosie felt as though Walters, whom she thought of as a surrogate mother, didn’t have her back -- and that Walters and the show's producers were setting her up for more and more fireworks with Hasselbeck.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On May 23, 2007, everything finally boiled over. Comedian Joy Behar started a conversation about Al Gore and Jimmy Carter's belief that Bush was the country’s worst president, and listed Bush’s bad qualities (his handling of torture at Abu Ghraib; his response to Hurricane Katrina; his repeated mispronunciation of \"nuclear\"; the time he choked on a pretzel). Joy, Elisabeth, and Sherri Shepherd (a woman who, on a different episode of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>, said \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrkaH_V7fE\">the world might actually be flat\u003c/a>) got into it for several minutes, while Rosie sat quietly. Tired of having her words misconstrued by Fox News every night, she was waiting for the clock to run out on her contract in a few weeks. But she couldn’t help but say something in response to Elisabeth calling Iraqis our enemies.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Things quickly exploded:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/aAwoPLhJVAs'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/aAwoPLhJVAs'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Six uninterrupted minutes of an epic, messy, personal fight ensued. The curtain was pulled back to reveal not just TV personalities debating \"hot topics,\" but one human being feeling betrayed and used by someone she thought was a friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This moment evokes and pokes holes in an idea that's been batted around a lot since the 2016 election -- that the way to heal the divisions in the country is for people from opposite ends of the political spectrum to engage in conversation. (If only liberals and conservatives had broken bread and chatted about their differences over some Budweisers, the thinking goes, then the country wouldn't have elected a man who called Mexican immigrants \"rapists,\" mocked a disabled reporter, promised to ban Muslims, and admitted to sexual assault on camera.) But no matter how good anyone's intentions may be, it can be impossible to have a productive dialogue when one person's belief system is founded in another's oppression, or argues against another's humanity and right to exist. There’s isn’t anywhere to go from there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">During the back-and-forth, Rosie noticed that the producers had placed a split-screen between the two women so that viewers at home could watch each of their faces getting redder and angrier. The split-screen had never been used on the program before, and Rosie has said that she believes they crafted it specifically for this inevitability, which they seemed to hope would happen someday. They got their wish, and Rosie didn't return to the show the next day -- or the following day, or the one after that. A few weeks before her contract expired, Rosie quit.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/NP-x78w48Es'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/NP-x78w48Es'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Last week marked that moment’s tenth anniversary. A lot has happened in the past 10 years, but has our discourse really changed that much? After a detour to the left during the oasis of Obama, we’re right back into a timeline where criticizing the President or his administration is seen as unpatriotic. These days, President Trump will tweet about any celebrity who criticizes him (Rosie is still one of his favorite targets, so much so that he randomly brought her up during one of the 2016 presidential debates). And, beyond celebrities, working journalists are regularly attacked -- figuratively and literally -- for reporting the facts. Trump declaring the press “the enemy of the people” and “fake news” has engendered a culture in which a Montana Republican seeking election \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/867535038749040640\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">body-slams a reporter for asking a question\u003c/a>, and it’s not even the most shocking news item of the day.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every year, reality TV thrives more and more on conflict, overturned tables, wig tugs, and televised celebrity firings. It's gotten so bad that, on\u003cem> Love & Hip Hop Hollywood\u003c/em>,\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Tacky_Nerd/status/656206312120975360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbossip.com%2F1242768%2Fyuck-on-yuck-lhhh-star-nikki-baby-mudarris-claps-back-at-nasty-nastassia-for-throwing-vomit-at-her-during-fight%2F\"> one woman vomited into her hand and threw it in another woman's face\u003c/a>. Has reality TV influenced us into becoming more conflict-oriented? Or has reality TV simply been holding up a mirror to what we already were? It's hard to say, but something that’s clear is that this moment between Rosie and Elisabeth foretold what we’re living through now: a culture of division, and a culture in which someone speaking or reporting truth will be smeared or punished. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright wp-image-83818\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"517\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg 670w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-160x207.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-240x310.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-375x485.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-520x672.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/a>Since their epic showdown, Rosie has returned to stand-up and acting. Hasselbeck moved over to Fox News, where she was able to make statements like “\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why has the Black Lives Matter movement not been classified yet as a hate group?\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">” before eventually being replaced by another young blonde woman. In 2014, when Elisabeth heard that Rosie was asked to return as a host of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>, she did not take the high road: \"What could ruin a vacation more than to hear news like this?\" she said. \"Talk about not securing the border. Here comes to \u003cem>The View\u003c/em> the very woman who spit in the face of our military, spit in the face of her own network and really in the face of a person who stood by her and had civilized debates for the time that she was there. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am happy to have a #momversation about why I would never defend her 2007 comments. #letfreedomring.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As far as I know, Rosie didn't respond to Elisabeth's remarks or take her up on that \"#momversation,\" and I don't blame her. As comforting as the notion of healing through conversation may be, I don't see much hope for Rosie and Elisabeth to ever mend fences. And the way things have gone in the past 10 years, I'm not sure \"conversation\" is going to unite the divided left and right in America either. But I hope I'm wrong. I really do.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/82832/how-rosie-odonnell-vs-elisabeth-hasselbeck-predicted-our-current-political-discourse","authors":["27"],"categories":["pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_2827","pop_1100","pop_2948","pop_2947"],"featImg":"pop_83761","label":"pop"},"pop_62290":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_62290","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"62290","score":null,"sort":[1493214280000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"what-we-can-learn-about-trump-from-his-favorite-president-andrew-jackson","title":"What We Can Learn About Trump From His Favorite President, Andrew Jackson","publishDate":1493214280,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>This piece was inspired by an episode of \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. Give it a listen!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/02/Twinzies.mp3\" title=\"That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore, Thanks to Trump\" program=\"The Cooler\" image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/03/clo.jpg\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"aligncenter\">\n\u003cdiv>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/DownloadOniTunes_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://play.google.com/music/m/Ig3hk6qa4fzcgjp2kagptfgu4u4?t=The_Cooler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/Google_Play_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>You may have noticed a few changes in the White House in recent months. While Obama was off sporting a \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/02/07/watch-ex-dad-in-chief-barack-obama-enjoy-his-life-without-us/\">backwards baseball cap and kite surfing\u003c/a> (he's earned it), Donald Trump did a little bit of redecorating.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77349\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-77349 size-large\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-1020x574.jpg\" alt=\"portrait\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-768x432.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-520x292.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A portrait timeline. Image: Emmanuel Hapsis\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A small change on the walls of the Oval Office caught my eye the other day: the portrait hanging next to the president’s desk. In that spot, Obama originally had a photo of the Statue of Liberty’s torch, and, later, Childe Hassam's patriotic painting of American flags, \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehousehistory.org/photos/treasures-of-the-white-house-avenue-in-the-rain\">\u003cem>The Avenue in the Rain\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lady Liberty is now gone (take that as you will), along with Hassam's painting. Their replacement? A portrait of the controversial Andrew Jackson, the seventh President of the United States who graces the $20 bill (until \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/04/20/harriet-tubman-to-replace-slave-holder-andrew-jackson-on-the-20-bill/\">Harriet Tubman bumps him off\u003c/a>).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trump is a \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-harriet-tubman-jackson_us_5718c72be4b0c9244a7aeae7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">fierce defender\u003c/a> of Andrew Jackson -- his advisers have even made \u003ca href=\"http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/rudy-giuliani-trump-win-andrew-jackson-2016-231035\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">public comparisons\u003c/a> of Trump as the modern-day Jackson -- so let's take a look at Jackson's life to get a better understanding of why Trump reveres this particular president so much, and what that says about who he is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let's start at the beginning (\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k33ZQ4I4p24\">a very good place to start\u003c/a>):\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson came from nothing\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Andrew Jackson was born somewhere along the North and South Carolina border in 1767, while his mother was on a long journey back from his father's funeral. Jackson's father was a struggling farmer, who didn't have much of anything to leave his wife and children. Trump, on the other hand, inherited millions from his father.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson served in the Revolutionary War as a teen\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77194\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 599px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM.png\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77194\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM.png\" alt=\"A young Jackson gets scarred for life. Photo: The Hermitage\" width=\"599\" height=\"418\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM.png 599w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM-160x112.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM-240x167.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM-375x262.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM-520x363.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 599px) 100vw, 599px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A young Jackson gets scarred for life. Photo: \u003ca href=\"http://thehermitage.com/learn/andrew-jackson/orphan/\">The Hermitage\u003c/a>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Most of us spend puberty fighting with our parents. Andrew Jackson spent his awkward teen years fighting the British during the Revolutionary War (as a courier, but still). At the age of 13, he was captured and, w\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">hile in captivity, was not treated well. When a British general ordered Jackson to polish his boots, Jackson, who was known for being bold and having a temper, essentially told this Brit to go f--k himself. This did not go over well. The British officer took out a blade and slashed Jackson, leaving a scar that would last the rest of his life. Trump has no battle scars, thanks to deferring military service five times (\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/donald-trump-draft-record.html\">four for college, one for bad feet\u003c/a>).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson was known as a troublemaker\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the age of 15, Jackson's mother and both of his brothers had died. Alone in the world, he blew off steam by getting into trouble. One of his neighbors testified to this: \"Andrew Jackson was the most roaring, rollicking, game-cocking, horse-racing, card-playing, mischievous fellow that ever lived in Salisbury.\" Trump's youth was reportedly marked by \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/young-donald-trump-military-school/2016/06/22/f0b3b164-317c-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html?utm_term=.81d0ab4075a8\">similar exploits\u003c/a>: pulling girls' hair, throwing rocks at neighbors, almost pushing a classmate out of a second-story window, even hitting teachers. Trump got into trouble so regularly that his friends called detention \"DT\" (short for Donny Trump). Trump himself admits in his memoir \u003cem>The Art of the Deal\u003c/em> that his main focus during his early years was \"creating mischief.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson became one of the country's first celebrities\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77195\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-77195\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-1020x575.jpg\" alt=\"Andrew Jackson leading an underdog victory against the Brits in the Battle of New Orleans. Photo: Library of Congress\" width=\"640\" height=\"361\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-1020x575.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-800x451.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-768x433.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-960x541.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-520x293.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9.jpg 1104w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Andrew Jackson leading an underdog victory against the Brits in the Battle of New Orleans. Photo: Library of Congress\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After a short tint in the Senate (he resigned one year into his term because he didn't like meetings), Jackson got involved in another war, this time the War of 1812. He won a decisive victory in the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, killing more Native Americans than on any other day in U.S. history (pause for side-eye). With the help of free African Americans, Native Americans, and -- randomly enough -- French pirates, he went on to pull a major upset in the Battle of New Orleans, changing the course of the War of 1812. SAT analogy: George Washington was to the Revolutionary War as Andrew Jackson was to the War of 1812.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>News of the victory spread quickly, and Jackson became a bona fide celebrity, inspiring songs, clubs, holidays, and more. Again, there's no Trump parallel because bad feet, but the following quote -- said about Jackson -- rings true for both men: \"He was a cultural force before he was a political force.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson branded himself as a voice for the common man\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following his war hero fame, Jackson ran for President against John Quincy Adams, the acting Secretary of State. Adams was intelligent, had a history of overseas diplomacy, and intimately knew what goes into the role (his father, John Adams, was a former president and one of the Founding Fathers). Jackson used these qualities as proof that Adams was a corrupt insider who was out of touch with the people. Jackson argued that his lack of a resume proved that he could be a champion for the common man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The similarities between the 1824 and 2016 elections are obvious, but the results differ. Despite winning the popular vote, Jackson did not manage to get a majority in the Electoral College. Giving in to the widespread opinion that Jackson was unfit to serve as the President (Thomas Jefferson called Jackson \"a dangerous man\"), the House of Representatives elected Adams.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson wasn't opposed to winning by smear campaign\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77212\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 613px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM.png\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77212\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM.png\" alt=\"A 1828 Jackson poster.\" width=\"613\" height=\"793\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM.png 613w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM-160x207.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM-240x310.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM-375x485.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM-520x673.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 613px) 100vw, 613px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A 1828 Jackson poster.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Jackson and his supporters believed that the election was stolen from him, so he ran again in 1828, a campaign that was to become the dirtiest and most brutal the country had ever seen. News broke that Jackson's wife was in fact married to another man when she started shacking up with him decades earlier. Jackson was irate and decided to fight fire with all the embers of Hell: he accused Adams of living in sin, gambling, breaking the Sabbath, pimping out an American virgin for the pleasure of a Russian czar, among other things. He also kept up the anti-intellectual strategy from the previous election; one of his slogans was \"Vote for Andrew Jackson who can fight, not John Quincy Adams who can write.\" The election turned from disagreements over actual issues to bitter fights over personal lives. Jackson won decisively.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson knew how to throw a party\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77204\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 675px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77204\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675.jpg\" alt=\"Jackson's inauguration rager. Photo: Library of Congress.\" width=\"675\" height=\"476\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675.jpg 675w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675-160x113.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675-240x169.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675-375x264.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675-520x367.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 675px) 100vw, 675px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jackson's inauguration rager. Photo: Library of Congress.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Upon his inauguration, Jackson introduced an open-door policy at the White House. Any citizen could come inside and party with him. Things quickly got out of hand. First-eye accounts include stories of broken china, scary drunks, bloody noses, fainting women, and the use of windows as entrances and exits. Booze was eventually moved to the lawn to convince people to leave the White House. Trump's Inauguration festivities were... \u003ca href=\"https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-inauguration-crowd-1484943564224/trump-inauguration-crowd-1484943564224-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg\">not like that\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson took politics personally\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-77206\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife.jpg\" alt=\"how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife\" width=\"800\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-160x84.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-768x403.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-240x126.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-375x197.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-520x273.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jackson had a thing for taking it outside. He was involved in an estimated 103 duels, often because someone said something negative about his wife. His love of revenge and settling scores carried over into his time as President.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Upon taking office, Jackson fired his enemies (he removed more government employees -- many of whom had served since George Washington's terms -- than all of his predecessors combined) and hired his unqualified friends in their place, creating what came to be known as the \"\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system\">spoils system\u003c/a>.\" Jackson also consulted with a group of unofficial advisers that came to be known as his \"\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet\">Kitchen Cabinet\u003c/a>.\" (Hello, Jared Kushner!)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Congress passed a bill to renew the Second Bank of America's charter, thanks to strong advocacy from one of Jackson's worst enemies, John C. Calhoun, Jackson vetoed it, claiming \"the Bank is trying to kill me, but I will kill it.\" He deemed the bank president, Nicholas Biddle, an enemy of the people, and ordered all of the country's funds to be taken out of the bank. His Treasury Secretary refused to do so because it was illegal. So Jackson fired him and hired another man, who also refused. Jackson fired him too and finally found a man who would do it anyway. This kind of maneuver wouldn't happen again until Watergate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even after his time in office was up, Jackson still held a grudge or two: \"After eight years as President, I have only two regrets: that I have not shot Henry Clay or hanged John C. Calhoun.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Would you be surprised if Trump said the something similar about Rosie O'Donnell and Hillary Clinton at the end of his tenure?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson did not play by the rules\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77196\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 700px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77196\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew.jpg\" alt=\"A political cartoon depicting a veto-happy King Jackson I trampling the Constitution.\" width=\"700\" height=\"465\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew.jpg 700w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew-160x106.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew-240x159.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew-375x249.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew-520x345.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A political cartoon depicting a veto-happy King Jackson I trampling the Constitution.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Pre-presidency, General Jackson invaded what is now Florida without permission and executed two British soldiers for helping the Native Americans. Despite the illegality of this, President James Monroe refused to censure Jackson. Jackson was also known to execute his own soldiers for insubordination. While Trump hasn't executed anyone (yet?), he did attack Syria without approval from Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson was racist\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77207\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 902px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77207\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS.jpg\" alt=\"A map of the Trail of Tears routes. Photo: Wikipedia Commons\" width=\"902\" height=\"443\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS.jpg 902w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-160x79.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-800x393.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-768x377.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-240x118.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-375x184.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-520x255.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 902px) 100vw, 902px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A map of the Trail of Tears routes. Photo: \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trail_of_tears_map_NPS.jpg\">Wikipedia Commons\u003c/a>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As if owning over 100 slaves wasn't bad enough, Jackson also was the mastermind behind the Indian Removal Act, which called for the eviction of Native Americans east of the Mississippi River from their ancestral lands. The Cherokee sought help from the Supreme Court, which ruled in their favor. Jackson's alleged response: \"[Chief Justice] John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!\" Ignoring the whole business of the judiciary being an equal branch of government, Jackson ordered that the Native Americans be rounded up at gunpoint, have their property seized, and be put on a forced march to Oklahoma during the winter. One out of four Cherokee died en route. Jackson gave their homeland to white farmers, which they turned into slave plantations. Trump has his own prejudices based on religion, race, sexuality, and gender. Hopefully nothing he or any future President does will be as contemptible as the Trail of Tears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson was a hothead\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Described as a \"cantankerous, iron-willed, intimidating manager,\" Jackson used his temper as a weapon. You can probably imagine what his tweets would have been like.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson was inconsistent\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jackson often found himself in contradiction. He grabbed more and more executive power for himself, while insisting he was doing so for the people. He hated the idea of a monarch forcing his will on his subjects, yet vetoed more legislation than anyone before him. He wanted limited government, unless it stood in the way of what he wanted to do. Needless to say, he wasn't too worried about consistency. Judging by his first 100 days, neither is Trump. China was a currency manipulator, \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/12/trump-backtracks-on-china-wont-label-it-a-currency-manipulator.html\">until it wasn't\u003c/a>. NATO was obsolete, \u003ca href=\"http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-nato-secretary-general-meet-hold-news-conference-live-updates/\">until Trump changed his mind\u003c/a>. Intervening in Syria was the worst decision ever, \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/376334423069032448\">until it was a good one\u003c/a>. The electoral college was undemocratic, until it was genius:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/798521053551140864\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You get the idea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: left\">Lining all these similarities in a row, it's easy to see why Trump reveres Jackson. In a way, it's a form of self-love. Now the question is: Will history continue to repeat itself? Or have we, as a nation, evolved enough to hold this kind of person accountable? Stay tuned.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"What does Trump's adoration of Jackson say about who he really is?","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1512008182,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":1996},"headData":{"title":"What We Can Learn About Trump From His Favorite President, Andrew Jackson | KQED","description":"What does Trump's adoration of Jackson say about who he really is?","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"What We Can Learn About Trump From His Favorite President, Andrew Jackson","datePublished":"2017-04-26T13:44:40.000Z","dateModified":"2017-11-30T02:16:22.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"62290 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=62290","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/04/26/what-we-can-learn-about-trump-from-his-favorite-president-andrew-jackson/","disqusTitle":"What We Can Learn About Trump From His Favorite President, Andrew Jackson","path":"/pop/62290/what-we-can-learn-about-trump-from-his-favorite-president-andrew-jackson","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>This piece was inspired by an episode of \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\">The Cooler\u003c/a>, KQED’s weekly pop culture podcast. Give it a listen!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"program":"The Cooler","image":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/03/clo.jpg","label":"src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/02/Twinzies.mp3\" title=\"That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore, Thanks to Trump\""},"numeric":["src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/thecooler/2017/02/Twinzies.mp3\" title=\"That","Joke","Isn't","Funny","Anymore,","Thanks","to","Trump\""]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"aligncenter\">\n\u003cdiv>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cooler/id1041117499?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/DownloadOniTunes_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://play.google.com/music/m/Ig3hk6qa4fzcgjp2kagptfgu4u4?t=The_Cooler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/11/Google_Play_100x100.png\" width=\"75px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>You may have noticed a few changes in the White House in recent months. While Obama was off sporting a \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/02/07/watch-ex-dad-in-chief-barack-obama-enjoy-his-life-without-us/\">backwards baseball cap and kite surfing\u003c/a> (he's earned it), Donald Trump did a little bit of redecorating.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77349\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-77349 size-large\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-1020x574.jpg\" alt=\"portrait\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-768x432.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/portrait-520x292.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A portrait timeline. Image: Emmanuel Hapsis\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A small change on the walls of the Oval Office caught my eye the other day: the portrait hanging next to the president’s desk. In that spot, Obama originally had a photo of the Statue of Liberty’s torch, and, later, Childe Hassam's patriotic painting of American flags, \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehousehistory.org/photos/treasures-of-the-white-house-avenue-in-the-rain\">\u003cem>The Avenue in the Rain\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lady Liberty is now gone (take that as you will), along with Hassam's painting. Their replacement? A portrait of the controversial Andrew Jackson, the seventh President of the United States who graces the $20 bill (until \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2016/04/20/harriet-tubman-to-replace-slave-holder-andrew-jackson-on-the-20-bill/\">Harriet Tubman bumps him off\u003c/a>).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trump is a \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-harriet-tubman-jackson_us_5718c72be4b0c9244a7aeae7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">fierce defender\u003c/a> of Andrew Jackson -- his advisers have even made \u003ca href=\"http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/rudy-giuliani-trump-win-andrew-jackson-2016-231035\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">public comparisons\u003c/a> of Trump as the modern-day Jackson -- so let's take a look at Jackson's life to get a better understanding of why Trump reveres this particular president so much, and what that says about who he is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let's start at the beginning (\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k33ZQ4I4p24\">a very good place to start\u003c/a>):\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson came from nothing\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Andrew Jackson was born somewhere along the North and South Carolina border in 1767, while his mother was on a long journey back from his father's funeral. Jackson's father was a struggling farmer, who didn't have much of anything to leave his wife and children. Trump, on the other hand, inherited millions from his father.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson served in the Revolutionary War as a teen\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77194\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 599px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM.png\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77194\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM.png\" alt=\"A young Jackson gets scarred for life. Photo: The Hermitage\" width=\"599\" height=\"418\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM.png 599w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM-160x112.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM-240x167.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM-375x262.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-3.00.12-PM-520x363.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 599px) 100vw, 599px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A young Jackson gets scarred for life. Photo: \u003ca href=\"http://thehermitage.com/learn/andrew-jackson/orphan/\">The Hermitage\u003c/a>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Most of us spend puberty fighting with our parents. Andrew Jackson spent his awkward teen years fighting the British during the Revolutionary War (as a courier, but still). At the age of 13, he was captured and, w\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">hile in captivity, was not treated well. When a British general ordered Jackson to polish his boots, Jackson, who was known for being bold and having a temper, essentially told this Brit to go f--k himself. This did not go over well. The British officer took out a blade and slashed Jackson, leaving a scar that would last the rest of his life. Trump has no battle scars, thanks to deferring military service five times (\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/donald-trump-draft-record.html\">four for college, one for bad feet\u003c/a>).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson was known as a troublemaker\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the age of 15, Jackson's mother and both of his brothers had died. Alone in the world, he blew off steam by getting into trouble. One of his neighbors testified to this: \"Andrew Jackson was the most roaring, rollicking, game-cocking, horse-racing, card-playing, mischievous fellow that ever lived in Salisbury.\" Trump's youth was reportedly marked by \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/young-donald-trump-military-school/2016/06/22/f0b3b164-317c-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html?utm_term=.81d0ab4075a8\">similar exploits\u003c/a>: pulling girls' hair, throwing rocks at neighbors, almost pushing a classmate out of a second-story window, even hitting teachers. Trump got into trouble so regularly that his friends called detention \"DT\" (short for Donny Trump). Trump himself admits in his memoir \u003cem>The Art of the Deal\u003c/em> that his main focus during his early years was \"creating mischief.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson became one of the country's first celebrities\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77195\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-77195\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-1020x575.jpg\" alt=\"Andrew Jackson leading an underdog victory against the Brits in the Battle of New Orleans. Photo: Library of Congress\" width=\"640\" height=\"361\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-1020x575.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-800x451.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-768x433.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-960x541.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9-520x293.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/History_Andrew_Jackson_Defends_New_Orleans_1812_rev_SF_HD_1104x622-16x9.jpg 1104w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Andrew Jackson leading an underdog victory against the Brits in the Battle of New Orleans. Photo: Library of Congress\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After a short tint in the Senate (he resigned one year into his term because he didn't like meetings), Jackson got involved in another war, this time the War of 1812. He won a decisive victory in the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, killing more Native Americans than on any other day in U.S. history (pause for side-eye). With the help of free African Americans, Native Americans, and -- randomly enough -- French pirates, he went on to pull a major upset in the Battle of New Orleans, changing the course of the War of 1812. SAT analogy: George Washington was to the Revolutionary War as Andrew Jackson was to the War of 1812.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>News of the victory spread quickly, and Jackson became a bona fide celebrity, inspiring songs, clubs, holidays, and more. Again, there's no Trump parallel because bad feet, but the following quote -- said about Jackson -- rings true for both men: \"He was a cultural force before he was a political force.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson branded himself as a voice for the common man\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following his war hero fame, Jackson ran for President against John Quincy Adams, the acting Secretary of State. Adams was intelligent, had a history of overseas diplomacy, and intimately knew what goes into the role (his father, John Adams, was a former president and one of the Founding Fathers). Jackson used these qualities as proof that Adams was a corrupt insider who was out of touch with the people. Jackson argued that his lack of a resume proved that he could be a champion for the common man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The similarities between the 1824 and 2016 elections are obvious, but the results differ. Despite winning the popular vote, Jackson did not manage to get a majority in the Electoral College. Giving in to the widespread opinion that Jackson was unfit to serve as the President (Thomas Jefferson called Jackson \"a dangerous man\"), the House of Representatives elected Adams.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson wasn't opposed to winning by smear campaign\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77212\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 613px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM.png\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77212\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM.png\" alt=\"A 1828 Jackson poster.\" width=\"613\" height=\"793\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM.png 613w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM-160x207.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM-240x310.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM-375x485.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Screen-Shot-2017-04-25-at-4.05.33-PM-520x673.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 613px) 100vw, 613px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A 1828 Jackson poster.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Jackson and his supporters believed that the election was stolen from him, so he ran again in 1828, a campaign that was to become the dirtiest and most brutal the country had ever seen. News broke that Jackson's wife was in fact married to another man when she started shacking up with him decades earlier. Jackson was irate and decided to fight fire with all the embers of Hell: he accused Adams of living in sin, gambling, breaking the Sabbath, pimping out an American virgin for the pleasure of a Russian czar, among other things. He also kept up the anti-intellectual strategy from the previous election; one of his slogans was \"Vote for Andrew Jackson who can fight, not John Quincy Adams who can write.\" The election turned from disagreements over actual issues to bitter fights over personal lives. Jackson won decisively.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson knew how to throw a party\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77204\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 675px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77204\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675.jpg\" alt=\"Jackson's inauguration rager. Photo: Library of Congress.\" width=\"675\" height=\"476\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675.jpg 675w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675-160x113.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675-240x169.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675-375x264.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/19xp-jackson-master675-520x367.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 675px) 100vw, 675px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jackson's inauguration rager. Photo: Library of Congress.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Upon his inauguration, Jackson introduced an open-door policy at the White House. Any citizen could come inside and party with him. Things quickly got out of hand. First-eye accounts include stories of broken china, scary drunks, bloody noses, fainting women, and the use of windows as entrances and exits. Booze was eventually moved to the lawn to convince people to leave the White House. Trump's Inauguration festivities were... \u003ca href=\"https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-inauguration-crowd-1484943564224/trump-inauguration-crowd-1484943564224-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg\">not like that\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson took politics personally\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-77206\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife.jpg\" alt=\"how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife\" width=\"800\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-160x84.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-768x403.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-240x126.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-375x197.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/how-many-duels-did-andrew-jackson-fight-mostly-defending-the-integrity-of-his-wife-520x273.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jackson had a thing for taking it outside. He was involved in an estimated 103 duels, often because someone said something negative about his wife. His love of revenge and settling scores carried over into his time as President.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Upon taking office, Jackson fired his enemies (he removed more government employees -- many of whom had served since George Washington's terms -- than all of his predecessors combined) and hired his unqualified friends in their place, creating what came to be known as the \"\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system\">spoils system\u003c/a>.\" Jackson also consulted with a group of unofficial advisers that came to be known as his \"\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet\">Kitchen Cabinet\u003c/a>.\" (Hello, Jared Kushner!)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Congress passed a bill to renew the Second Bank of America's charter, thanks to strong advocacy from one of Jackson's worst enemies, John C. Calhoun, Jackson vetoed it, claiming \"the Bank is trying to kill me, but I will kill it.\" He deemed the bank president, Nicholas Biddle, an enemy of the people, and ordered all of the country's funds to be taken out of the bank. His Treasury Secretary refused to do so because it was illegal. So Jackson fired him and hired another man, who also refused. Jackson fired him too and finally found a man who would do it anyway. This kind of maneuver wouldn't happen again until Watergate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even after his time in office was up, Jackson still held a grudge or two: \"After eight years as President, I have only two regrets: that I have not shot Henry Clay or hanged John C. Calhoun.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Would you be surprised if Trump said the something similar about Rosie O'Donnell and Hillary Clinton at the end of his tenure?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson did not play by the rules\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77196\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 700px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77196\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew.jpg\" alt=\"A political cartoon depicting a veto-happy King Jackson I trampling the Constitution.\" width=\"700\" height=\"465\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew.jpg 700w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew-160x106.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew-240x159.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew-375x249.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/king_andrew-520x345.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A political cartoon depicting a veto-happy King Jackson I trampling the Constitution.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Pre-presidency, General Jackson invaded what is now Florida without permission and executed two British soldiers for helping the Native Americans. Despite the illegality of this, President James Monroe refused to censure Jackson. Jackson was also known to execute his own soldiers for insubordination. While Trump hasn't executed anyone (yet?), he did attack Syria without approval from Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson was racist\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_77207\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 902px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-77207\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS.jpg\" alt=\"A map of the Trail of Tears routes. Photo: Wikipedia Commons\" width=\"902\" height=\"443\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS.jpg 902w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-160x79.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-800x393.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-768x377.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-240x118.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-375x184.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/Trail_of_tears_map_NPS-520x255.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 902px) 100vw, 902px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A map of the Trail of Tears routes. Photo: \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trail_of_tears_map_NPS.jpg\">Wikipedia Commons\u003c/a>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As if owning over 100 slaves wasn't bad enough, Jackson also was the mastermind behind the Indian Removal Act, which called for the eviction of Native Americans east of the Mississippi River from their ancestral lands. The Cherokee sought help from the Supreme Court, which ruled in their favor. Jackson's alleged response: \"[Chief Justice] John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!\" Ignoring the whole business of the judiciary being an equal branch of government, Jackson ordered that the Native Americans be rounded up at gunpoint, have their property seized, and be put on a forced march to Oklahoma during the winter. One out of four Cherokee died en route. Jackson gave their homeland to white farmers, which they turned into slave plantations. Trump has his own prejudices based on religion, race, sexuality, and gender. Hopefully nothing he or any future President does will be as contemptible as the Trail of Tears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson was a hothead\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Described as a \"cantankerous, iron-willed, intimidating manager,\" Jackson used his temper as a weapon. You can probably imagine what his tweets would have been like.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Jackson was inconsistent\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jackson often found himself in contradiction. He grabbed more and more executive power for himself, while insisting he was doing so for the people. He hated the idea of a monarch forcing his will on his subjects, yet vetoed more legislation than anyone before him. He wanted limited government, unless it stood in the way of what he wanted to do. Needless to say, he wasn't too worried about consistency. Judging by his first 100 days, neither is Trump. China was a currency manipulator, \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/12/trump-backtracks-on-china-wont-label-it-a-currency-manipulator.html\">until it wasn't\u003c/a>. NATO was obsolete, \u003ca href=\"http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-nato-secretary-general-meet-hold-news-conference-live-updates/\">until Trump changed his mind\u003c/a>. Intervening in Syria was the worst decision ever, \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/376334423069032448\">until it was a good one\u003c/a>. The electoral college was undemocratic, until it was genius:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"266038556504494082"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"798521053551140864"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>You get the idea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: left\">Lining all these similarities in a row, it's easy to see why Trump reveres Jackson. In a way, it's a form of self-love. Now the question is: Will history continue to repeat itself? Or have we, as a nation, evolved enough to hold this kind of person accountable? Stay tuned.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/62290/what-we-can-learn-about-trump-from-his-favorite-president-andrew-jackson","authors":["27"],"categories":["pop_2937"],"tags":["pop_1100"],"featImg":"pop_76853","label":"pop"},"pop_68220":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_68220","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"68220","score":null,"sort":[1488926070000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"victoria-compare-and-contrast-the-historical-figures-with-the-actors-who-play-them","title":"Victoria: Compare and Contrast the Historical Figures with the Actors Who Play Them","publishDate":1488926070,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>The first season of PBS' \u003cem>Victoria\u003c/em> might be over, but that doesn't mean we can't still obsess over the historical figures who inspired the show. I'm not sure about you, but a huge part of my viewing experience involved pausing every few minutes to dig into historical research on what actually happened and what these people actually looked like. Get a load of the latter with these compare-and-contrast portraits of the real-life people and the actors who play them:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Queen Victoria\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=8beef1e6-02d0-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Prince Albert\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=52638420-02d3-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Lord Melbourne\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=4464c752-02d9-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Prince Ernst\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=b2c06fb6-02da-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Sir Robert Peel\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=09b572d0-0367-11e7-9182-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">The Duchess of Kent\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=dbf2de90-0371-11e7-9182-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Sir John Conroy\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=aaab189c-02dc-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Charles Elmé Francatelli\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=eb286592-02cc-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Dash\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=0747b5f4-0366-11e7-9182-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still want more \u003cem>Victoria\u003c/em>? Relive it all through our cheeky Season 1 recaps:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/03/05/victoria-season-1-finale-recap-bye-bye-baby-blues/\">'Victoria' Season 1 Finale Recap: Bye Bye Baby Blues\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: left\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/02/19/victoria-season-1-episode-6-recap-cmon-ride-the-train/\">'Victoria' Season 1, Episode 6 Recap: C'mon Ride the Train\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/02/12/pbs-victoria-season-1-episode-5-recap-ill-make-love-to-you/\">‘Victoria’ Season 1, Episode 5 Recap: I’ll Make Love to You\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/02/05/pbs-victoria-season-1-episode-4-recap-wedding-bell-blues/\">‘Victoria’ Season 1, Episode 4 Recap: Wedding Bell Blues\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/01/29/pbs-victoria-season-1-episode-3-recap-youre-so-vain/\">‘Victoria’ Season 1, Episode 3 Recap: You’re So Vain\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/01/22/victoria-season-1-episode-2-recap-all-the-single-ladies/\">‘Victoria’ Season 1, Episode 2 Recap: All The Single Ladies\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/01/15/victoria-season-1-premiere-recap-bow-down/\">‘Victoria’ Season 1 Premiere Recap: Bow Down\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"How closely do the real-life people resemble their actor counterparts?","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1512008227,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":19,"wordCount":206},"headData":{"title":"Victoria: Compare and Contrast the Historical Figures with the Actors Who Play Them | KQED","description":"How closely do the real-life people resemble their actor counterparts?","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Victoria: Compare and Contrast the Historical Figures with the Actors Who Play Them","datePublished":"2017-03-07T22:34:30.000Z","dateModified":"2017-11-30T02:17:07.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"68220 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=68220","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/03/07/victoria-compare-and-contrast-the-historical-figures-with-the-actors-who-play-them/","disqusTitle":"Victoria: Compare and Contrast the Historical Figures with the Actors Who Play Them","path":"/pop/68220/victoria-compare-and-contrast-the-historical-figures-with-the-actors-who-play-them","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The first season of PBS' \u003cem>Victoria\u003c/em> might be over, but that doesn't mean we can't still obsess over the historical figures who inspired the show. I'm not sure about you, but a huge part of my viewing experience involved pausing every few minutes to dig into historical research on what actually happened and what these people actually looked like. Get a load of the latter with these compare-and-contrast portraits of the real-life people and the actors who play them:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Queen Victoria\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=8beef1e6-02d0-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Prince Albert\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=52638420-02d3-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Lord Melbourne\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=4464c752-02d9-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Prince Ernst\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=b2c06fb6-02da-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Sir Robert Peel\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=09b572d0-0367-11e7-9182-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">The Duchess of Kent\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=dbf2de90-0371-11e7-9182-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Sir John Conroy\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=aaab189c-02dc-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Charles Elmé Francatelli\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=eb286592-02cc-11e7-8f66-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 style=\"text-align: center\">Dash\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe frameborder=\"0\" class=\"juxtapose\" width=\"100%\" height=\"800\" src=\"https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=0747b5f4-0366-11e7-9182-0edaf8f81e27\" scrolling=\"yes\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still want more \u003cem>Victoria\u003c/em>? 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