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I believe about less than one-third of victims who have PTSD right after a violent crime or situation receive some type of treatment. So trauma centers increase access and make it equitable for those who might not be able to receive services in traditional settings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is part of the problem that a lot of people who are victims of violence, they just don't know these services are out there, possibly ready to serve them?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a few things. One is when you are a victim of violent crime, you can often develop PTSD, and those symptoms often don't allow for one to receive services. What we know about PTSD is that oftentimes people don't want to leave their houses. It’s hypervigilance. So part of it is the trauma from the actual incident. And honestly, I think the other is not believing that services will work for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it really does depend on access. Historically, if you have money, you can pay for a therapist. You can go and get inpatient treatment for trauma. You can get some of these evidence-based treatment modalities. If you don't have the means, you can't. And we've got to change this — Medicaid. The reimbursement for mental health treatment and trauma treatments is so low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You participated in a roundtable at UCSF about the role of trauma recovery centers in reimagining public safety. That is a big topic here in the Bay Area and, frankly, nationwide. Tell us more about that.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is a lot of generational trauma, so what we're trying to do is to break that trauma. We are trying to get somebody at the first point of victimization where we can help them to heal so they don't hurt another person. So they don't retaliate. And if we could actually provide those who need real mental health treatment and we could provide them with effective treatments that work, we're going to be a safer society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Racism is trauma. Having to be judged your entire life because of the color of your skin is traumatic. And so we really do everything we can to empower, to give people actual skills. When you're triggered, what are you going to do? When you see the guy that you know you want to beat up? How are you going to not beat him up and walk away? How are you going to get your anger under control? And depression?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's breaking generational trauma. It's also making sure that people have access to the services that they need, that maybe historically they have been marginalized from.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"President Biden's daughter, a social worker, talks about the need for trauma recovery and mental health services that work, that are affordable and that are accessible in light of an ongoing nationwide mental health crisis.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1666289922,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":960},"headData":{"title":"Justice Advocate Ashley Biden Touts Role of Trauma Support Pioneered in SF | KQED","description":"President Biden's daughter, a social worker, talks about the need for trauma recovery and mental health services that work, that are affordable and that are accessible in light of an ongoing nationwide mental health crisis.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Justice Advocate Ashley Biden Touts Role of Trauma Support Pioneered in SF","datePublished":"2022-10-20T18:18:42.000Z","dateModified":"2022-10-20T18:18:42.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11929548 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11929548","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/10/20/justice-advocate-ashley-biden-touts-role-of-trauma-support-pioneered-in-sf/","disqusTitle":"Justice Advocate Ashley Biden Touts Role of Trauma Support Pioneered in SF","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11929548/justice-advocate-ashley-biden-touts-role-of-trauma-support-pioneered-in-sf","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Ashley Biden, the president’s daughter and a social worker, visited San Francisco this week to advocate for trauma recovery centers (TRCs) — a model that was \u003ca href=\"https://www.traumarecoverycentermodel.org/history-of-trcs/\">created in the city\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Think of it like a one-stop shop for mental health,” said Biden during a visit Wednesday to UCSF Citywide, a psychiatric facility in San Francisco’s South of Market neighborhood. “So we are going into the community to find those who have been victims and to ask them if they want to receive services to come into the TRC.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UCSF pioneered the TRC model in part to support victims of crime living in communities of color, offering comprehensive case management, from meeting people’s basic needs to specialized psychiatric services.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'If we could actually provide those who need real mental health treatment and we could provide them with effective treatments that work, we're going to be a safer society.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Ashley Biden, social worker, philanthropist, activist","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Biden, who is also a consultant for the National Alliance of Trauma Recovery Centers, said TRCs could be a solution for many states as the U.S. continues to face a mental health crisis, made worse by the COVID-19 pandemic. Just this week, the Biden administration announced \u003ca href=\"https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/biden-administration-seeks-to-expand-24-7-mental-health-care\">millions of dollars in grants\u003c/a> — adding to the billions allocated toward addressing the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Dad is dedicated,” Biden said. “We're going to have some real issues if we don't win the House and Senate. I mean, it's over, right? It's over in the sense of what's to come. Our rights. Mental health care. All of it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biden talked with KQED morning host Brian Watt. Here’s an excerpt of their conversation, which has been edited for brevity and clarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>BRIAN WATT:\u003c/strong> \u003cstrong>You became aware of trauma recovery centers through your work as a social worker. And as the daughter of a public servant and an educator, how did you decide that being a social worker and this type of work was your life's mission?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ASHLEY BIDEN:\u003c/strong> So I was on many campaigns, in many parades and many door knocks. (President Biden) was very grassroots. I would travel with him everywhere and I would always question the inequity. I also went to a Quaker school and learned about racism from a very young age. And it was my mission to tackle structural violence and institutional racism. Why aren't people healing? Why are the most marginalized the most harmed, yet the least healed?\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11929559\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11929559\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/10/001_KQED_AshleyBidenUCSF_10192022.jpg\" alt=\"A woman in her 30s is seated with legs crossed talking to a an interviewer with earphones and a microphone.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/10/001_KQED_AshleyBidenUCSF_10192022.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/10/001_KQED_AshleyBidenUCSF_10192022-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/10/001_KQED_AshleyBidenUCSF_10192022-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/10/001_KQED_AshleyBidenUCSF_10192022-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/10/001_KQED_AshleyBidenUCSF_10192022-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ashley Biden talks with KQED's Brian Watt about trauma recovery centers and mental health services at UCSF Citywide on Oct.19, 2022. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>So what do trauma recovery centers do for people who have experienced interpersonal violence in cases of physical and sexual assault, domestic violence and police brutality?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It is person-centered, survivor-centered care where there are evidence-based therapies that we know are effective for treating things like PTSD. I believe about less than one-third of victims who have PTSD right after a violent crime or situation receive some type of treatment. So trauma centers increase access and make it equitable for those who might not be able to receive services in traditional settings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is part of the problem that a lot of people who are victims of violence, they just don't know these services are out there, possibly ready to serve them?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a few things. One is when you are a victim of violent crime, you can often develop PTSD, and those symptoms often don't allow for one to receive services. What we know about PTSD is that oftentimes people don't want to leave their houses. It’s hypervigilance. So part of it is the trauma from the actual incident. And honestly, I think the other is not believing that services will work for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it really does depend on access. Historically, if you have money, you can pay for a therapist. You can go and get inpatient treatment for trauma. You can get some of these evidence-based treatment modalities. If you don't have the means, you can't. And we've got to change this — Medicaid. The reimbursement for mental health treatment and trauma treatments is so low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You participated in a roundtable at UCSF about the role of trauma recovery centers in reimagining public safety. That is a big topic here in the Bay Area and, frankly, nationwide. Tell us more about that.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is a lot of generational trauma, so what we're trying to do is to break that trauma. We are trying to get somebody at the first point of victimization where we can help them to heal so they don't hurt another person. So they don't retaliate. And if we could actually provide those who need real mental health treatment and we could provide them with effective treatments that work, we're going to be a safer society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Racism is trauma. Having to be judged your entire life because of the color of your skin is traumatic. And so we really do everything we can to empower, to give people actual skills. When you're triggered, what are you going to do? When you see the guy that you know you want to beat up? How are you going to not beat him up and walk away? How are you going to get your anger under control? And depression?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's breaking generational trauma. 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Does That Mean You're a Superdodger?","publishDate":1663015325,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>Back in the early 1990s, \u003ca href=\"https://med.nyu.edu/faculty/nathaniel-r-landau\">Nathaniel Landau\u003c/a> was a young virologist just starting his career in HIV research. But he and his colleagues were already on the verge of a landmark breakthrough. Several labs around the world were hot on his team's tail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We were sleeping in the lab, just to keep the work going day and night because there were many labs all racing against each other,\" Landau says. \"Of course, we wanted to be the first to do it. We were totally stressed out. \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other scientists had identified groups of people who appeared to be completely resistant to HIV. \"People who knew they had been exposed to HIV multiple times, mainly through unprotected sex, yet they clearly were not infected,\" Landau explains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so the race was on to figure out why: \"Are these people just lucky or did they really have a mutation in their genes that was protecting them from infection?'\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now 25 years later, scientists all over the world are trying to answer the same question but about a different virus: SARS-CoV-2.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By this point in the pandemic, most Americans have had at least one bout of COVID. For children under age 18, more than 80% of them have been infected, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention \u003ca href=\"https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#pediatric-seroprevalence\">estimates\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But just as with HIV, some people have been exposed multiple times but never had symptoms and never tested positive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We've heard countless anecdotes about nurses and health-care workers being exposed without any protection and remaining negative over and over again,\" says pediatrician \u003ca href=\"https://www.rockefeller.edu/our-scientists/heads-of-laboratories/970-jean-laurent-casanova/\">Jean-Laurent Casanova\u003c/a>, who studies the genetics of viral resistance at Rockefeller University. \"Or people share a household with someone who's been coughing for a couple of weeks, and one person stays negative.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So why haven't these people caught COVID?[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"large\" citation=\"Nathaniel Landau, Dept. of Microbiology, NYU Langone Health\"]'It's kind of like the virus is knocking at the door, but nobody's opening the door. The door is locked.'[/pullquote]After two years of hunting, a team at the University of California, San Francisco has come pretty close to answering the question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These findings are like hot off the presses,\" says immunogeneticist \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1H1WBzJvjj9uZBG4plr_XElvQm2cPLxuPb45Cx_rWk58/edit\">Jill Hollenbach\u003c/a>, who led this research. \"We haven't published them yet. It's all stuff that's been happening this summer.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hollenbach and her team have found a genetic mutation that doesn't prevent the virus from infecting cells — that's what Landau was searching for in his HIV research — but still does something remarkable: It prevents a person from having COVID symptoms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Turns out, stopping an infection altogether is an extremely tough nut for our bodies to crack.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">What does it take to be a true superdodger?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Over the course of human history, scientists have identified only two instances of true virus superdodgers. That is, where a specific mutation in their genes makes people completely resistant to a virus. So that it slides off their cells, \"like water sliding off a glass window,\" as Casanova puts it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2003, a team in London showed how some people never get a stomach bug, called norovirus, which causes vomiting and diarrhea. The researchers \u003ca href=\"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12692541/\">found\u003c/a> that one mutation in their genes prevents them from making a molecule the virus needs to infect the cell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(In 1995, researchers in France figured out why some people appeared to never be infected with a species of malaria known as \u003cem>Plasmodium vivax\u003c/em>. However, over the past decade, further \u003ca href=\"https://malariajournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12936-020-03372-9\">studies \u003c/a>have clarified that these superdodgers actually do become infected with the parasite; they simply don't show symptoms.)\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">The best-known superdodgers in human history\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>By far, the most famous virus superdodgers are people protected against HIV — the ones Landau and his colleagues were studying back in the early 1990s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1996, his team was getting really close to solving that puzzle. One morning they found a huge clue. The night before, they had set up an experiment to test which molecules HIV needed to infect a human cell. The experiment garnered spectacular results.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It showed that HIV didn't enter cells the way scientists had believed. Instead it needed a little bit of extra help. Specifically, HIV needs a specific molecule, called CCR5, on the surface of the cell to \"open the door\" and let the virus enter, Landau says. Without CCR5, the virus only sticks to the cell's surface but can't enter. \"It's kind of like the virus is knocking at the door, but nobody's opening the door. The door is locked,\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That was what we call a eureka moment,\" Landau says. \"That was the moment where we could say, 'We found something that had never been seen before.'\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Landau and his colleagues rushed to the computer and wrote up the \u003ca href=\"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8649511/\">findings\u003c/a> as quickly as possible. Then he literally ran to the FedEx store to submit the paper to the journal \u003cem>Nature\u003c/em>, knowing that other teams were likely to have the same finding soon.[aside label='Related Coverage' tag='covid']\"In those days you couldn't just submit your paper through your computer,\" he says. \"You had to mail a hard copy of it to the journal. And my job was to sprint over to the FedEx store so we could get the paper mailed on time.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then only a few short weeks later, Landau and his colleagues made another huge discovery, and in the process solved the final piece of the HIV puzzle. \u003cstrong>\"\u003c/strong>We were quite amazed that it all happened so quickly,\" Landau says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In collaboration with a research group down the hall, Landau and his colleagues sequenced the CCR5 gene in two people completely resistant to HIV. Lo and behold! Both people had the same mutation in the gene — and it's a powerful mutation. It completely cripples the molecule so that it doesn't appear on the cells' surface, the group \u003ca href=\"https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2800%2980110-5\">reported\u003c/a> in the journal \u003cem>Cell\u003c/em>. Remember, without CCR5, HIV can't infect the cell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You can put as many virus particles as you want onto those cells, and they will not get infected,\" he says. \"So in the case of resistance to HIV, the story was very clear.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The finding completely shifted the field of HIV. It led to the first — and only — way to \u003ca href=\"https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0802905\">cure a person of \u003c/a>HIV and suggested a new route, using \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/11/759369190/crispr-gene-editing-may-offer-path-to-cure-for-hiv-first-published-report-shows\">gene editing\u003c/a> with CRISPR. But it did something else: It showed scientists that one mutation could make a person completely resistant to an infection. One mutation in their genes could make them a true superdodger.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">Trying to find out if there really are COVID superdodgers\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\"So when SARS-CoV-2 came along, of course, many labs looked to see if the same might be true for this virus,\" Landau says. And inspired by the story of CCR5, they went looking for mutations in the genes required for SARS-CoV-2 to enter and infect cells.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For COVID superdodgers, the situation appears to be more complex than for people resistant to HIV, Landau says, because the way SARS-CoV-2 infects cells is different from that of HIV.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Instead of using CCR5 to \"open the cell's door,\" SARS-CoV-2 uses the ACE2 receptor. People can't live without ACE2. \"The receptor regulates your blood pressure,\" Landau explains. So, unlike CCR5, you can't simply knock out the ACE2 receptor, he says. \"You're not going to have many people walking around that don't have ACE2.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Of course, there may be more subtle mutations in ACE2 which could play a role in resistance to SARS-CoV-2,\" he adds. \"But there doesn't seem to be an obvious and dramatic mutation as is the case for HIV.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But perhaps what's more likely, he says, is that people have mutations in genes \u003cem>other \u003c/em>than ACE2, and these mutations probably don't protect them from getting infected per se but do protect them from getting sick.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">Maybe there are ... mini-dodgers?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>So having one of these mutations would make you a sort of COVID mini-dodger, if you will. There are other ways to resist an infection besides denying the virus entrance into the cell, Landau explains. And they likely involve your body's immune system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's exactly what the team at UCSF has found.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the pandemic began, Jill Hollenbach and her colleagues at UCSF have been studying people who test positive COVID but show no symptoms. \"Not even a sniffle or a scratchy throat,\" she says. \"So they are entirely asymptomatic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After analyzing DNA from more than 1,400 people, they identified a mutation that helps a person clear out a SARS-CoV-2 so fast that their body doesn't have a chance to develop symptoms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mutation occurs in a gene called HLA, which is critical during the earliest stages of infection. Hollenbach and her colleagues found that having a particular mutation in that gene increases a person's chance of being asymptomatic by almost 10 times.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They \u003ca href=\"https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.13.21257065v2\">reported \u003c/a>those preliminary findings online last September.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, they've gone on to show \u003cem>how \u003c/em>this mutation works. And it has to do with your immune system preparing for SARS-CoV-2 before the pandemic even began back in 2019.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When a virus first enters cells, HLA signals to the immune system that cells are invaded and need help. That signal triggers a cascade of events that ultimately leads your body to make potent weapons specifically designed to fight SARS-CoV-2. These weapons include antibodies and T cells that uniquely recognize pieces of this virus. Once these targeted weapons are available, your immune system has a much easier time clearing up the infection. But these weapons take time to manufacture. And that delay allows the infection to spread and symptoms to develop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But what if, for some lucky reason, your immune system already had weapons specifically targeted to SARS-CoV-2?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This summer, Hollenbach and her colleagues demonstrated that, with a specific mutation in HLA, some people have T cells that are already pre-programmed to recognize and fight off SARS-CoV-2. So there's no delay in generating COVID-specific weaponry. It's already there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Your immune response and these T cells fire up much more quickly [than in a person without the HLA mutation],\" Hollenbach says. \"So for lack of a better term, you basically nuke the infection before you even start to have symptoms.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But here's the kicker. For the HLA mutation to work (and for you to have these pre-armed T cells), you first had to have been infected with another coronavirus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\"\u003c/strong>Most of us have been exposed to some common cold coronavirus at some point in life,\" she explains. And we all generate T cells to fight off these colds. But if you also have this mutation in your HLA, Hollenbach says, then just by mere luck, these T cells you make can also fight off SARS-CoV-2.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's definitely luck,\" she says. \"But, you know, this mutation is quite common. We estimate that maybe 1 in 10 people have it. And in people who are asymptomatic, that rises to 1 in 5.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">Seeking possible superdodgers who'll spit into a cup\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>While Hollenbach and her team continue to look for more mini-dodger genes, Casanova over at Rockefeller University and his colleagues are still trying to \u003ca href=\"https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-01030-z\">determine \u003c/a>if there are true superdodger genes. And he's \u003ca href=\"https://www.covidhge.com/participants\">looking for participants\u003c/a> right now for his study.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You fill out a questionnaire online about your exposures to SARS-CoV-2,\" he says. And then if you meet the criteria of a superdodger, the team sends you a testing kit. Basically you spit in a cup and mail it back to Casanova and his collaborators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We'll extract your DNA and sequence your genome,\" he explains. \"We hope that in a group of 2,000 to 4,000 people, some people will have genetic mutations that tell us why they're resistant to infection.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And perhaps, like with HIV, that finding will one day shift the field of COVID research and lead to a vaccine that does what everyone wishes our current vaccines would do: turn everyone into a COVID superdodger.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1663203083,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":49,"wordCount":2087},"headData":{"title":"So You Haven't Caught COVID Yet. 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Does That Mean You're a Superdodger?","source":"NPR","sourceUrl":"https://www.npr.org/","nprByline":"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/people/348778932/michaeleen-doucleff\">Michaeleen Doucleff\u003c/a>","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","path":"/news/11925322/so-you-havent-caught-covid-yet-does-that-mean-youre-a-superdodger","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Back in the early 1990s, \u003ca href=\"https://med.nyu.edu/faculty/nathaniel-r-landau\">Nathaniel Landau\u003c/a> was a young virologist just starting his career in HIV research. But he and his colleagues were already on the verge of a landmark breakthrough. Several labs around the world were hot on his team's tail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We were sleeping in the lab, just to keep the work going day and night because there were many labs all racing against each other,\" Landau says. \"Of course, we wanted to be the first to do it. We were totally stressed out. \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other scientists had identified groups of people who appeared to be completely resistant to HIV. \"People who knew they had been exposed to HIV multiple times, mainly through unprotected sex, yet they clearly were not infected,\" Landau explains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so the race was on to figure out why: \"Are these people just lucky or did they really have a mutation in their genes that was protecting them from infection?'\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now 25 years later, scientists all over the world are trying to answer the same question but about a different virus: SARS-CoV-2.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By this point in the pandemic, most Americans have had at least one bout of COVID. For children under age 18, more than 80% of them have been infected, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention \u003ca href=\"https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#pediatric-seroprevalence\">estimates\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But just as with HIV, some people have been exposed multiple times but never had symptoms and never tested positive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We've heard countless anecdotes about nurses and health-care workers being exposed without any protection and remaining negative over and over again,\" says pediatrician \u003ca href=\"https://www.rockefeller.edu/our-scientists/heads-of-laboratories/970-jean-laurent-casanova/\">Jean-Laurent Casanova\u003c/a>, who studies the genetics of viral resistance at Rockefeller University. \"Or people share a household with someone who's been coughing for a couple of weeks, and one person stays negative.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So why haven't these people caught COVID?\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'It's kind of like the virus is knocking at the door, but nobody's opening the door. The door is locked.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"large","citation":"Nathaniel Landau, Dept. of Microbiology, NYU Langone Health","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>After two years of hunting, a team at the University of California, San Francisco has come pretty close to answering the question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These findings are like hot off the presses,\" says immunogeneticist \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1H1WBzJvjj9uZBG4plr_XElvQm2cPLxuPb45Cx_rWk58/edit\">Jill Hollenbach\u003c/a>, who led this research. \"We haven't published them yet. It's all stuff that's been happening this summer.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hollenbach and her team have found a genetic mutation that doesn't prevent the virus from infecting cells — that's what Landau was searching for in his HIV research — but still does something remarkable: It prevents a person from having COVID symptoms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Turns out, stopping an infection altogether is an extremely tough nut for our bodies to crack.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">What does it take to be a true superdodger?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Over the course of human history, scientists have identified only two instances of true virus superdodgers. That is, where a specific mutation in their genes makes people completely resistant to a virus. So that it slides off their cells, \"like water sliding off a glass window,\" as Casanova puts it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2003, a team in London showed how some people never get a stomach bug, called norovirus, which causes vomiting and diarrhea. The researchers \u003ca href=\"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12692541/\">found\u003c/a> that one mutation in their genes prevents them from making a molecule the virus needs to infect the cell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(In 1995, researchers in France figured out why some people appeared to never be infected with a species of malaria known as \u003cem>Plasmodium vivax\u003c/em>. However, over the past decade, further \u003ca href=\"https://malariajournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12936-020-03372-9\">studies \u003c/a>have clarified that these superdodgers actually do become infected with the parasite; they simply don't show symptoms.)\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">The best-known superdodgers in human history\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>By far, the most famous virus superdodgers are people protected against HIV — the ones Landau and his colleagues were studying back in the early 1990s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1996, his team was getting really close to solving that puzzle. One morning they found a huge clue. The night before, they had set up an experiment to test which molecules HIV needed to infect a human cell. The experiment garnered spectacular results.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It showed that HIV didn't enter cells the way scientists had believed. Instead it needed a little bit of extra help. Specifically, HIV needs a specific molecule, called CCR5, on the surface of the cell to \"open the door\" and let the virus enter, Landau says. Without CCR5, the virus only sticks to the cell's surface but can't enter. \"It's kind of like the virus is knocking at the door, but nobody's opening the door. The door is locked,\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That was what we call a eureka moment,\" Landau says. \"That was the moment where we could say, 'We found something that had never been seen before.'\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Landau and his colleagues rushed to the computer and wrote up the \u003ca href=\"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8649511/\">findings\u003c/a> as quickly as possible. Then he literally ran to the FedEx store to submit the paper to the journal \u003cem>Nature\u003c/em>, knowing that other teams were likely to have the same finding soon.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Related Coverage ","tag":"covid"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\"In those days you couldn't just submit your paper through your computer,\" he says. \"You had to mail a hard copy of it to the journal. And my job was to sprint over to the FedEx store so we could get the paper mailed on time.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then only a few short weeks later, Landau and his colleagues made another huge discovery, and in the process solved the final piece of the HIV puzzle. \u003cstrong>\"\u003c/strong>We were quite amazed that it all happened so quickly,\" Landau says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In collaboration with a research group down the hall, Landau and his colleagues sequenced the CCR5 gene in two people completely resistant to HIV. Lo and behold! Both people had the same mutation in the gene — and it's a powerful mutation. It completely cripples the molecule so that it doesn't appear on the cells' surface, the group \u003ca href=\"https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2800%2980110-5\">reported\u003c/a> in the journal \u003cem>Cell\u003c/em>. Remember, without CCR5, HIV can't infect the cell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You can put as many virus particles as you want onto those cells, and they will not get infected,\" he says. \"So in the case of resistance to HIV, the story was very clear.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The finding completely shifted the field of HIV. It led to the first — and only — way to \u003ca href=\"https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0802905\">cure a person of \u003c/a>HIV and suggested a new route, using \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/11/759369190/crispr-gene-editing-may-offer-path-to-cure-for-hiv-first-published-report-shows\">gene editing\u003c/a> with CRISPR. But it did something else: It showed scientists that one mutation could make a person completely resistant to an infection. One mutation in their genes could make them a true superdodger.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">Trying to find out if there really are COVID superdodgers\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\"So when SARS-CoV-2 came along, of course, many labs looked to see if the same might be true for this virus,\" Landau says. And inspired by the story of CCR5, they went looking for mutations in the genes required for SARS-CoV-2 to enter and infect cells.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For COVID superdodgers, the situation appears to be more complex than for people resistant to HIV, Landau says, because the way SARS-CoV-2 infects cells is different from that of HIV.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Instead of using CCR5 to \"open the cell's door,\" SARS-CoV-2 uses the ACE2 receptor. People can't live without ACE2. \"The receptor regulates your blood pressure,\" Landau explains. So, unlike CCR5, you can't simply knock out the ACE2 receptor, he says. \"You're not going to have many people walking around that don't have ACE2.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Of course, there may be more subtle mutations in ACE2 which could play a role in resistance to SARS-CoV-2,\" he adds. \"But there doesn't seem to be an obvious and dramatic mutation as is the case for HIV.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But perhaps what's more likely, he says, is that people have mutations in genes \u003cem>other \u003c/em>than ACE2, and these mutations probably don't protect them from getting infected per se but do protect them from getting sick.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">Maybe there are ... mini-dodgers?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>So having one of these mutations would make you a sort of COVID mini-dodger, if you will. There are other ways to resist an infection besides denying the virus entrance into the cell, Landau explains. And they likely involve your body's immune system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's exactly what the team at UCSF has found.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the pandemic began, Jill Hollenbach and her colleagues at UCSF have been studying people who test positive COVID but show no symptoms. \"Not even a sniffle or a scratchy throat,\" she says. \"So they are entirely asymptomatic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After analyzing DNA from more than 1,400 people, they identified a mutation that helps a person clear out a SARS-CoV-2 so fast that their body doesn't have a chance to develop symptoms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mutation occurs in a gene called HLA, which is critical during the earliest stages of infection. Hollenbach and her colleagues found that having a particular mutation in that gene increases a person's chance of being asymptomatic by almost 10 times.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They \u003ca href=\"https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.13.21257065v2\">reported \u003c/a>those preliminary findings online last September.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, they've gone on to show \u003cem>how \u003c/em>this mutation works. And it has to do with your immune system preparing for SARS-CoV-2 before the pandemic even began back in 2019.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When a virus first enters cells, HLA signals to the immune system that cells are invaded and need help. That signal triggers a cascade of events that ultimately leads your body to make potent weapons specifically designed to fight SARS-CoV-2. These weapons include antibodies and T cells that uniquely recognize pieces of this virus. Once these targeted weapons are available, your immune system has a much easier time clearing up the infection. But these weapons take time to manufacture. And that delay allows the infection to spread and symptoms to develop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But what if, for some lucky reason, your immune system already had weapons specifically targeted to SARS-CoV-2?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This summer, Hollenbach and her colleagues demonstrated that, with a specific mutation in HLA, some people have T cells that are already pre-programmed to recognize and fight off SARS-CoV-2. So there's no delay in generating COVID-specific weaponry. It's already there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Your immune response and these T cells fire up much more quickly [than in a person without the HLA mutation],\" Hollenbach says. \"So for lack of a better term, you basically nuke the infection before you even start to have symptoms.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But here's the kicker. For the HLA mutation to work (and for you to have these pre-armed T cells), you first had to have been infected with another coronavirus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\"\u003c/strong>Most of us have been exposed to some common cold coronavirus at some point in life,\" she explains. And we all generate T cells to fight off these colds. But if you also have this mutation in your HLA, Hollenbach says, then just by mere luck, these T cells you make can also fight off SARS-CoV-2.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's definitely luck,\" she says. \"But, you know, this mutation is quite common. We estimate that maybe 1 in 10 people have it. And in people who are asymptomatic, that rises to 1 in 5.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">Seeking possible superdodgers who'll spit into a cup\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>While Hollenbach and her team continue to look for more mini-dodger genes, Casanova over at Rockefeller University and his colleagues are still trying to \u003ca href=\"https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-01030-z\">determine \u003c/a>if there are true superdodger genes. And he's \u003ca href=\"https://www.covidhge.com/participants\">looking for participants\u003c/a> right now for his study.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You fill out a questionnaire online about your exposures to SARS-CoV-2,\" he says. And then if you meet the criteria of a superdodger, the team sends you a testing kit. Basically you spit in a cup and mail it back to Casanova and his collaborators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We'll extract your DNA and sequence your genome,\" he explains. \"We hope that in a group of 2,000 to 4,000 people, some people will have genetic mutations that tell us why they're resistant to infection.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And perhaps, like with HIV, that finding will one day shift the field of COVID research and lead to a vaccine that does what everyone wishes our current vaccines would do: turn everyone into a COVID superdodger.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11925322/so-you-havent-caught-covid-yet-does-that-mean-youre-a-superdodger","authors":["byline_news_11925322"],"categories":["news_457","news_8","news_356"],"tags":["news_31608","news_31605","news_27989","news_18542","news_922"],"featImg":"news_11925389","label":"source_news_11925322"},"news_11922286":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11922286","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11922286","score":null,"sort":[1660341629000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"monkeypox-surfaces-air-transmission","title":"Monkeypox Spreads on Surfaces Only in Certain Cases — Here's What to Know","publishDate":1660341629,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>We’ve been asking KQED readers and listeners \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11921709/tell-us-what-do-you-need-to-know-about-monkeypox\">\"what do you need to know about monkeypox?\"\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although monkeypox has existed among humans for over 50 years, this most recent outbreak in the United States has seen a significant amount of misinformation online about the disease and how it spreads. And one of the biggest questions we’ve gotten from our audience: Do I need to worry about the risks of monkeypox and surfaces?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anyone, regardless of sexual orientation or preference, can get monkeypox. Right now, the monkeypox outbreak in the United States \u003ca href=\"https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/monkeypox-public-health-advice-for-men-who-have-sex-with-men\">is particularly affecting communities of gay and bisexual men\u003c/a>, and men who have sex with men, and the World Health Organization notes that \u003ca href=\"https://www.who.int/news/item/25-05-2022-monkeypox--public-health-advice-for-gay--bisexual-and-other-men-who-have-sex-with-men\">trans people and gender-diverse people \"may also be more vulnerable in the context of the current outbreak.\"\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The main way that the virus spreads is via close, skin-to-skin contact with a person who’s infected with monkeypox — which includes sexual contact but is not limited to it. Monkeypox can also spread via respiratory droplets through very close, sustained face-to-face contact. Another way monkeypox can be transmitted that’s far less common than skin-to-skin contact is on shared surfaces and items.[aside postID='news_11920455,news_11919070,news_11920913' label='More monkeypox resources']So \u003cem>how\u003c/em> worried should you be about the risk of monkeypox spreading through surfaces or through the air?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The short answer: your risk of catching monkeypox from surfaces is highest if you’re sharing a home with a person who has monkeypox. Keep reading for what you need to know about the risks of monkeypox and surfaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, please remember that the advice that follows is based on what information we currently know and the data experts have right now about monkeypox. As with COVID, you may find that advice and best practices around monkeypox evolve and shift as more scientific information becomes available.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Don't see your question answered below, or in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/monkeypox\">our other guides covering monkeypox\u003c/a>? Send us your \u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#monkeypoxquestions\">question and tell us what to cover.\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Monkeypox can live on surfaces — but your risk of being infected this way is low\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, one scientific study found that \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/specific-settings/home-disinfection.html\">the monkeypox virus can live on surfaces for up to 15 days\u003c/a>. Yes, that may sound pretty alarming, but the most recent data actually shows that monkeypox doesn’t do so well spreading through routes that don’t involve close physical or intimate contact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last week, the World Health Organization reported \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/08/05/1115859376/clearing-up-some-of-the-myths-that-have-popped-up-about-monkeypox\">only around 0.2% of people infected are thought to have caught the virus from a contaminated surface\u003c/a> in this current outbreak.\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size='medium' align='right']A note: You might hear people also referring to surface transmission as “fomites.” A fomite is an object that could be contaminated with an infectious virus or bacteria, and that helps spread it.[/pullquote]\u003c/span>Syra Madad, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Harvard’s Belfer Center, recently told Slate that\u003ca href=\"https://slate.com/technology/2022/08/monkeypox-spread-misconceptions-surfaces-sex.html\"> “just because you have viral particles on a surface doesn’t mean (they’re) going to cause infection in another person.”\u003c/a> That is, it’s not enough for that virus to be present — there also needs to be enough of that virus getting transferred first onto the surface by an infected person, and then onto the skin of someone who isn’t infected. “It’s not as easy as ‘I’m going to touch this doorknob and somebody with monkeypox just touched it so I’m going to get infected,’ ” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist at UCSF, says that clothing, materials and surfaces are most likely to be a method of virus transmission within the home of someone \u003cem>with\u003c/em> monkeypox, specifically when someone else is having sustained contact with those items, rather than brief contact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But going to the thrift store or purchasing bedding at Bed Bath & Beyond? “That's very, very low risk,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What about being in shared, high-touch public spaces like a gym or a pool? “It's very, very low risk to get monkeypox in a swimming pool,” says Dr. Chin-Hong. “The risk of just touching objects in the gym or in the yoga studio is very, very small. It's really in the context of a household where you're touching the same things multiple times over and over again for multiple hours.”\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, infectious disease specialist at UCSF\"]'It's very, very low risk to get monkeypox in a swimming pool.'[/pullquote]\u003c/span>Even when you’re armed with the facts, the thought of monkeypox virus being on shared spaces in the outside world — on door handles, public transit or clothing in a store — still feels unsettling, especially if you’re being bombarded with headlines and TikToks on the subject. But remember: what gains traction online isn’t always reliable or fact-checked — and rare instances don’t equal a widespread risk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Infectious disease doctor Susan McLellan at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, Texas, offered this perspective to NPR: \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/08/05/1115859376/clearing-up-some-of-the-myths-that-have-popped-up-about-monkeypox\">\"During this outbreak, there will probably be at least one random case where somebody gets it on a bus,”\u003c/a> she said. “But, you know, that's going to be profoundly rare, probably less likely than being hit by that bus.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If monkeypox were easily transmitted on the subway, on buses, we would be seeing it among a very different population than almost purely among the population where transmission is occurring mostly during close, intimate contact,” she noted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Monkeypox can live in the air — but only briefly\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The monkeypox virus can also spread through respiratory droplets that a person infected with monkeypox breathes out onto another person. This contact would have to be very close and sustained — a lengthy face-to-face conversation or kissing are some examples — for the virus to spread this way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This means yes, monkeypox can live in the air — but not in the way you might be imagining. The idea of whether you can catch monkeypox from the air is “probably one of the most controversial areas right now,” says Dr. Chin-Hong — and he stresses that it’s important to understand what we mean by “airborne.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unlike COVID, monkeypox virus is not thought to linger in the air for a sustained period of time. That is, if someone with COVID breathes out respiratory droplets, those droplets can hang in the air for some time, and could expose the next person who steps into that space to the coronavirus. The monkeypox virus doesn’t operate the same way, says Dr. Chin-Hong. “COVID is a respiratory virus by its definition,” he notes. “Monkeypox is not.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In general, it's not going to be the same way we think about ‘droplets’ or ‘airborne’ and COVID,” he says. You can’t get monkeypox from casual conversations, or by passing someone with monkeypox — say, in a store.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So how else could you theoretically catch monkeypox “in the air,” if not through very close conversations or kissing? This is where sharing a home with someone who has monkeypox definitely presents the virus with more opportunities for transmission.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dr. Chin-Hong points to the example of a person with monkeypox sleeping in a bed, and their monkeypox rash shedding scabs onto the bedsheets. If another person comes in the next morning and changes those sheets, waving them around into the air, “these little scabs are filled with a virus which can survive for some time, but then go in the air, and if you inhale it, you can be afflicted with monkeypox.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some individuals have absolutely gotten monkeypox that way within households, says Dr. Chin-Hong — but “only because these small scabs are floating in the air temporarily.” For this reason, \u003ca href=\"https://sf.gov/information/monkeypox-faq\">the San Francisco Department of Public Health explicitly warns against shaking out bedding and towels\u003c/a> that have been used by someone with monkeypox.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11919128\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11919128\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1177\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut-800x490.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut-1020x625.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut-160x98.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut-1536x942.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Digitally colorized electron microscopic (EM) image depicting a monkeypox virion (virus particle). \u003ccite>(Smith Collection/Gado/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>If you’re sharing a home with someone who has monkeypox, worrying about virus on shared surfaces is justified — but there are steps you can take.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’re sharing a home with someone with an active monkeypox infection — or if you yourself have monkeypox and want to keep those you live with safe — being aware of how monkeypox can spread within a home and taking the appropriate measures is the best way to stop the virus spreading.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>If someone in your home has monkeypox …\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>You should not be sharing materials like bedding, clothing and towels. You should also not be sharing cooking or eating utensils.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As with COVID, it’s ideal that someone isolating with monkeypox uses their own bathroom exclusively, away from the rest of the household. But depending on your home setup, this may not be possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Be particularly careful around laundry, especially bedding\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Dr. Chin-Hong says above, bedding and laundry can pose a particular risk because of how a person’s lesions with active monkeypox virus can rub onto those materials. Ideally, a person with monkeypox should do their own laundry and change their own bedding. Sheets and laundry should not be shaken out, in case scabs are thrown into the air and inhaled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you have to do laundry or change the bedding of someone with monkeypox, consider wearing a mask and eye protection to avoid this kind of contamination, and wash your hands very thoroughly after.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you have monkeypox and can't avoid being in the same room as other people, the WHO advises you to keep any rashes or lesions covered with clothing or a bandage. This way, there’s far less chance of the virus shedding onto shared materials or surfaces within a home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11922424\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11922424\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A person wearing personal protective equipment wipes down a table in an indoor setting.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1709\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-1020x681.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-2048x1367.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-1920x1281.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Health experts say that bedding and laundry can pose a particular risk for monkeypox transmission in situations involving someone with an active monkeypox infection. If you have to do laundry or change the bedding of someone with monkeypox, consider wearing a mask and eye protection to avoid this kind of contamination, and wash your hands very thoroughly after. \u003ccite>(Matilda Wormwood/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Anyone who thinks they’ve been exposed to monkeypox in the home, or through their networks, should seek a vaccine.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/considerations-for-monkeypox-vaccination.html\">The CDC recommends that the monkeypox vaccine be given to a person within four days\u003c/a> of the date they were exposed to monkeypox, for the best chance of preventing onset of the disease.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If a person gets the vaccine between 4 and 14 days of being exposed, the vaccine may reduce the symptoms of monkeypox, but may not prevent the disease altogether.\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11920455/where-can-i-find-a-monkeypox-vaccine-near-me\"> Read more on how to find a monkeypox vaccine near you.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Follow cleaning protocols to reduce the risk of spread\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yes, monkeypox can live on shared surfaces, and potentially spread through them as a result of repeated contact. But as Harvard’s Syra Madad told Slate, \u003ca href=\"https://slate.com/technology/2022/08/monkeypox-spread-misconceptions-surfaces-sex.html\">“the monkeypox virus is a DNA-based virus and is a bit of a wimpy virus\u003c/a> in that you can actually kill it with household disinfectants and UV light and the like.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/pdf/Monkeypox-Interim-Guidance-for-Household-Disinfection-508.pdf\">The CDC recommends regularly cleaning and disinfecting your household spaces\u003c/a> to prevent the spread of monkeypox. The Environmental Protection Agency has a list of \u003ca href=\"https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-registration/disinfectants-emerging-viral-pathogens-evps-list-q\">approved cleaning products and disinfectants for monkeypox\u003c/a>, which includes common items you might already own like Lysol and Clorox. If you don’t have those products already in your home and you’re isolating with monkeypox, consider exploring home delivery options or asking friends or family to deliver cleaning products to your home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/pdf/Monkeypox-Interim-Guidance-for-Household-Disinfection-508.pdf\">Even if you’re isolating with monkeypox alone in your home\u003c/a>, the CDC still recommends regularly cleaning and disinfecting your spaces if you’re able to, to limit household contamination for anyone that does enter your home later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Read the CDC’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/pdf/Monkeypox-Interim-Guidance-for-Household-Disinfection-508.pdf\">full guide to cleaning and disinfecting your home during a monkeypox infection.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11921619\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11921619\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1762\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-800x551.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-1020x702.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-160x110.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-1536x1057.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-2048x1409.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-1920x1321.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Health workers sit at a check-in table at a pop-up monkeypox vaccination clinic which opened today by the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health at the West Hollywood Library on August 3, 2022 in West Hollywood, Los Angeles. Gov. Newsom declared a state of emergency on August 1st over the monkeypox outbreak which continues to grow globally. \u003ccite>(Mario Tama/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Monkeypox sounds scary — but don’t let fear of transmission distract you from COVID\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Monkeypox can seem frightening. Especially if you’re part of a community that’s been particularly impacted by the spread of the virus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But despite these natural fears, Dr. Chin-Hong wants to remind you that “at this point, you're much more likely to get something like COVID than monkeypox. Although I know it's really scary to people.” Monkeypox is not nearly as contagious as COVID-19.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You shouldn’t feel ashamed for worrying about how the monkeypox virus spreads. It’s an understandable fear — not least because we’ve been here before, with COVID.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two years ago, the idea of surface transmission for the coronavirus was very much in the popular consciousness, as early public health messaging around COVID-19 laid heavy emphasis on strong hand-washing and sanitation practices, and videos like \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKx-F4AKteE\">“How to Safely Grocery Shop During Coronavirus”\u003c/a> racked up huge views. And while good hygiene practices remain important around the coronavirus, more recent and complete data has taught us that respiratory transmission between people poses a far greater risk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nonetheless, it’s hard not to hear fears about monkeypox and fomites without being transported back to those first unsettling months of the COVID pandemic — a pandemic we’re still very much in, even as we work to keep our communities safe from the new public health threat in monkeypox.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"monkeypoxquestions\">\u003c/a>What other questions do you have about monkeypox?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>If you have more questions about monkeypox, we want to hear them. If you can’t find an answer in this post, or in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11919070/monkeypox-in-the-bay-area-from-symptoms-to-how-to-find-a-vaccine-heres-what-we-know\">our guide on what monkeypox symptoms are\u003c/a> or in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11920455/where-can-i-find-a-monkeypox-vaccine-near-me\">our guide on how to find a monkeypox vaccine near you\u003c/a>, you can use the box below to submit your question. What you send us will make our reporting on monkeypox stronger, and help us decide what to cover here on our site and on KQED Public Radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Please know that we can't reach back out directly to everyone who asks a question, and we can't give out individual medical advice. If you're concerned about monkeypox or another health matter, we urge you to reach out to your health care provider, or a local community clinic if you don't have insurance. (\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11920455/where-can-i-find-a-monkeypox-vaccine-near-me#wheremonkeypoxvaccinenearme\">See our list of community clinics in your county.\u003c/a>)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[hearken id=\"9840\" src=\"https://modules.wearehearken.com/kqed/embed/9840.js\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Can monkeypox spread on surfaces? Does monkeypox spread through the air? KQED spoke to the experts to learn how monkeypox transmits and what you can do to protect yourself and your family.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1662179345,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":true,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":47,"wordCount":2570},"headData":{"title":"Monkeypox Spreads on Surfaces Only in Certain Cases — Here's What to Know | KQED","description":"Can monkeypox spread on surfaces? Does monkeypox spread through the air? KQED spoke to the experts to learn how monkeypox transmits and what you can do to protect yourself and your family.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Monkeypox Spreads on Surfaces Only in Certain Cases — Here's What to Know","datePublished":"2022-08-12T22:00:29.000Z","dateModified":"2022-09-03T04:29:05.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11922286 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11922286","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/08/12/monkeypox-surfaces-air-transmission/","disqusTitle":"Monkeypox Spreads on Surfaces Only in Certain Cases — Here's What to Know","WpOldSlug":"monkeypox-only-spreads-on-surfaces-in-certain-cases-heres-what-to-know","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11922286/monkeypox-surfaces-air-transmission","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>We’ve been asking KQED readers and listeners \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11921709/tell-us-what-do-you-need-to-know-about-monkeypox\">\"what do you need to know about monkeypox?\"\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although monkeypox has existed among humans for over 50 years, this most recent outbreak in the United States has seen a significant amount of misinformation online about the disease and how it spreads. And one of the biggest questions we’ve gotten from our audience: Do I need to worry about the risks of monkeypox and surfaces?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anyone, regardless of sexual orientation or preference, can get monkeypox. Right now, the monkeypox outbreak in the United States \u003ca href=\"https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/monkeypox-public-health-advice-for-men-who-have-sex-with-men\">is particularly affecting communities of gay and bisexual men\u003c/a>, and men who have sex with men, and the World Health Organization notes that \u003ca href=\"https://www.who.int/news/item/25-05-2022-monkeypox--public-health-advice-for-gay--bisexual-and-other-men-who-have-sex-with-men\">trans people and gender-diverse people \"may also be more vulnerable in the context of the current outbreak.\"\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The main way that the virus spreads is via close, skin-to-skin contact with a person who’s infected with monkeypox — which includes sexual contact but is not limited to it. Monkeypox can also spread via respiratory droplets through very close, sustained face-to-face contact. Another way monkeypox can be transmitted that’s far less common than skin-to-skin contact is on shared surfaces and items.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11920455,news_11919070,news_11920913","label":"More monkeypox resources "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>So \u003cem>how\u003c/em> worried should you be about the risk of monkeypox spreading through surfaces or through the air?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The short answer: your risk of catching monkeypox from surfaces is highest if you’re sharing a home with a person who has monkeypox. Keep reading for what you need to know about the risks of monkeypox and surfaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, please remember that the advice that follows is based on what information we currently know and the data experts have right now about monkeypox. As with COVID, you may find that advice and best practices around monkeypox evolve and shift as more scientific information becomes available.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Don't see your question answered below, or in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/monkeypox\">our other guides covering monkeypox\u003c/a>? Send us your \u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#monkeypoxquestions\">question and tell us what to cover.\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Monkeypox can live on surfaces — but your risk of being infected this way is low\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, one scientific study found that \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/specific-settings/home-disinfection.html\">the monkeypox virus can live on surfaces for up to 15 days\u003c/a>. Yes, that may sound pretty alarming, but the most recent data actually shows that monkeypox doesn’t do so well spreading through routes that don’t involve close physical or intimate contact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last week, the World Health Organization reported \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/08/05/1115859376/clearing-up-some-of-the-myths-that-have-popped-up-about-monkeypox\">only around 0.2% of people infected are thought to have caught the virus from a contaminated surface\u003c/a> in this current outbreak.\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"A note: You might hear people also referring to surface transmission as “fomites.” A fomite is an object that could be contaminated with an infectious virus or bacteria, and that helps spread it.","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/span>Syra Madad, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Harvard’s Belfer Center, recently told Slate that\u003ca href=\"https://slate.com/technology/2022/08/monkeypox-spread-misconceptions-surfaces-sex.html\"> “just because you have viral particles on a surface doesn’t mean (they’re) going to cause infection in another person.”\u003c/a> That is, it’s not enough for that virus to be present — there also needs to be enough of that virus getting transferred first onto the surface by an infected person, and then onto the skin of someone who isn’t infected. “It’s not as easy as ‘I’m going to touch this doorknob and somebody with monkeypox just touched it so I’m going to get infected,’ ” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist at UCSF, says that clothing, materials and surfaces are most likely to be a method of virus transmission within the home of someone \u003cem>with\u003c/em> monkeypox, specifically when someone else is having sustained contact with those items, rather than brief contact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But going to the thrift store or purchasing bedding at Bed Bath & Beyond? “That's very, very low risk,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What about being in shared, high-touch public spaces like a gym or a pool? “It's very, very low risk to get monkeypox in a swimming pool,” says Dr. Chin-Hong. “The risk of just touching objects in the gym or in the yoga studio is very, very small. It's really in the context of a household where you're touching the same things multiple times over and over again for multiple hours.”\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'It's very, very low risk to get monkeypox in a swimming pool.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, infectious disease specialist at UCSF","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/span>Even when you’re armed with the facts, the thought of monkeypox virus being on shared spaces in the outside world — on door handles, public transit or clothing in a store — still feels unsettling, especially if you’re being bombarded with headlines and TikToks on the subject. But remember: what gains traction online isn’t always reliable or fact-checked — and rare instances don’t equal a widespread risk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Infectious disease doctor Susan McLellan at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, Texas, offered this perspective to NPR: \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/08/05/1115859376/clearing-up-some-of-the-myths-that-have-popped-up-about-monkeypox\">\"During this outbreak, there will probably be at least one random case where somebody gets it on a bus,”\u003c/a> she said. “But, you know, that's going to be profoundly rare, probably less likely than being hit by that bus.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If monkeypox were easily transmitted on the subway, on buses, we would be seeing it among a very different population than almost purely among the population where transmission is occurring mostly during close, intimate contact,” she noted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Monkeypox can live in the air — but only briefly\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The monkeypox virus can also spread through respiratory droplets that a person infected with monkeypox breathes out onto another person. This contact would have to be very close and sustained — a lengthy face-to-face conversation or kissing are some examples — for the virus to spread this way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This means yes, monkeypox can live in the air — but not in the way you might be imagining. The idea of whether you can catch monkeypox from the air is “probably one of the most controversial areas right now,” says Dr. Chin-Hong — and he stresses that it’s important to understand what we mean by “airborne.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unlike COVID, monkeypox virus is not thought to linger in the air for a sustained period of time. That is, if someone with COVID breathes out respiratory droplets, those droplets can hang in the air for some time, and could expose the next person who steps into that space to the coronavirus. The monkeypox virus doesn’t operate the same way, says Dr. Chin-Hong. “COVID is a respiratory virus by its definition,” he notes. “Monkeypox is not.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In general, it's not going to be the same way we think about ‘droplets’ or ‘airborne’ and COVID,” he says. You can’t get monkeypox from casual conversations, or by passing someone with monkeypox — say, in a store.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So how else could you theoretically catch monkeypox “in the air,” if not through very close conversations or kissing? This is where sharing a home with someone who has monkeypox definitely presents the virus with more opportunities for transmission.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dr. Chin-Hong points to the example of a person with monkeypox sleeping in a bed, and their monkeypox rash shedding scabs onto the bedsheets. If another person comes in the next morning and changes those sheets, waving them around into the air, “these little scabs are filled with a virus which can survive for some time, but then go in the air, and if you inhale it, you can be afflicted with monkeypox.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some individuals have absolutely gotten monkeypox that way within households, says Dr. Chin-Hong — but “only because these small scabs are floating in the air temporarily.” For this reason, \u003ca href=\"https://sf.gov/information/monkeypox-faq\">the San Francisco Department of Public Health explicitly warns against shaking out bedding and towels\u003c/a> that have been used by someone with monkeypox.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11919128\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11919128\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1177\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut-800x490.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut-1020x625.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut-160x98.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57170_GettyImages-1401390462-qut-1536x942.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Digitally colorized electron microscopic (EM) image depicting a monkeypox virion (virus particle). \u003ccite>(Smith Collection/Gado/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>If you’re sharing a home with someone who has monkeypox, worrying about virus on shared surfaces is justified — but there are steps you can take.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’re sharing a home with someone with an active monkeypox infection — or if you yourself have monkeypox and want to keep those you live with safe — being aware of how monkeypox can spread within a home and taking the appropriate measures is the best way to stop the virus spreading.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>If someone in your home has monkeypox …\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>You should not be sharing materials like bedding, clothing and towels. You should also not be sharing cooking or eating utensils.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As with COVID, it’s ideal that someone isolating with monkeypox uses their own bathroom exclusively, away from the rest of the household. But depending on your home setup, this may not be possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Be particularly careful around laundry, especially bedding\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Dr. Chin-Hong says above, bedding and laundry can pose a particular risk because of how a person’s lesions with active monkeypox virus can rub onto those materials. Ideally, a person with monkeypox should do their own laundry and change their own bedding. Sheets and laundry should not be shaken out, in case scabs are thrown into the air and inhaled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you have to do laundry or change the bedding of someone with monkeypox, consider wearing a mask and eye protection to avoid this kind of contamination, and wash your hands very thoroughly after.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you have monkeypox and can't avoid being in the same room as other people, the WHO advises you to keep any rashes or lesions covered with clothing or a bandage. This way, there’s far less chance of the virus shedding onto shared materials or surfaces within a home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11922424\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11922424\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A person wearing personal protective equipment wipes down a table in an indoor setting.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1709\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-1020x681.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-2048x1367.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-matilda-wormwood-4099467-1920x1281.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Health experts say that bedding and laundry can pose a particular risk for monkeypox transmission in situations involving someone with an active monkeypox infection. If you have to do laundry or change the bedding of someone with monkeypox, consider wearing a mask and eye protection to avoid this kind of contamination, and wash your hands very thoroughly after. \u003ccite>(Matilda Wormwood/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Anyone who thinks they’ve been exposed to monkeypox in the home, or through their networks, should seek a vaccine.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/considerations-for-monkeypox-vaccination.html\">The CDC recommends that the monkeypox vaccine be given to a person within four days\u003c/a> of the date they were exposed to monkeypox, for the best chance of preventing onset of the disease.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If a person gets the vaccine between 4 and 14 days of being exposed, the vaccine may reduce the symptoms of monkeypox, but may not prevent the disease altogether.\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11920455/where-can-i-find-a-monkeypox-vaccine-near-me\"> Read more on how to find a monkeypox vaccine near you.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Follow cleaning protocols to reduce the risk of spread\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yes, monkeypox can live on shared surfaces, and potentially spread through them as a result of repeated contact. But as Harvard’s Syra Madad told Slate, \u003ca href=\"https://slate.com/technology/2022/08/monkeypox-spread-misconceptions-surfaces-sex.html\">“the monkeypox virus is a DNA-based virus and is a bit of a wimpy virus\u003c/a> in that you can actually kill it with household disinfectants and UV light and the like.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/pdf/Monkeypox-Interim-Guidance-for-Household-Disinfection-508.pdf\">The CDC recommends regularly cleaning and disinfecting your household spaces\u003c/a> to prevent the spread of monkeypox. The Environmental Protection Agency has a list of \u003ca href=\"https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-registration/disinfectants-emerging-viral-pathogens-evps-list-q\">approved cleaning products and disinfectants for monkeypox\u003c/a>, which includes common items you might already own like Lysol and Clorox. If you don’t have those products already in your home and you’re isolating with monkeypox, consider exploring home delivery options or asking friends or family to deliver cleaning products to your home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/pdf/Monkeypox-Interim-Guidance-for-Household-Disinfection-508.pdf\">Even if you’re isolating with monkeypox alone in your home\u003c/a>, the CDC still recommends regularly cleaning and disinfecting your spaces if you’re able to, to limit household contamination for anyone that does enter your home later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Read the CDC’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/pdf/Monkeypox-Interim-Guidance-for-Household-Disinfection-508.pdf\">full guide to cleaning and disinfecting your home during a monkeypox infection.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11921619\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11921619\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1762\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-800x551.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-1020x702.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-160x110.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-1536x1057.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-2048x1409.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/gettyimages-14127573261_custom-08d5a5ff4a4cb124ab63f489d9c13ae55d9fce02-1920x1321.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Health workers sit at a check-in table at a pop-up monkeypox vaccination clinic which opened today by the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health at the West Hollywood Library on August 3, 2022 in West Hollywood, Los Angeles. Gov. Newsom declared a state of emergency on August 1st over the monkeypox outbreak which continues to grow globally. \u003ccite>(Mario Tama/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Monkeypox sounds scary — but don’t let fear of transmission distract you from COVID\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Monkeypox can seem frightening. Especially if you’re part of a community that’s been particularly impacted by the spread of the virus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But despite these natural fears, Dr. Chin-Hong wants to remind you that “at this point, you're much more likely to get something like COVID than monkeypox. Although I know it's really scary to people.” Monkeypox is not nearly as contagious as COVID-19.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You shouldn’t feel ashamed for worrying about how the monkeypox virus spreads. It’s an understandable fear — not least because we’ve been here before, with COVID.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two years ago, the idea of surface transmission for the coronavirus was very much in the popular consciousness, as early public health messaging around COVID-19 laid heavy emphasis on strong hand-washing and sanitation practices, and videos like \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKx-F4AKteE\">“How to Safely Grocery Shop During Coronavirus”\u003c/a> racked up huge views. And while good hygiene practices remain important around the coronavirus, more recent and complete data has taught us that respiratory transmission between people poses a far greater risk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nonetheless, it’s hard not to hear fears about monkeypox and fomites without being transported back to those first unsettling months of the COVID pandemic — a pandemic we’re still very much in, even as we work to keep our communities safe from the new public health threat in monkeypox.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"monkeypoxquestions\">\u003c/a>What other questions do you have about monkeypox?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>If you have more questions about monkeypox, we want to hear them. If you can’t find an answer in this post, or in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11919070/monkeypox-in-the-bay-area-from-symptoms-to-how-to-find-a-vaccine-heres-what-we-know\">our guide on what monkeypox symptoms are\u003c/a> or in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11920455/where-can-i-find-a-monkeypox-vaccine-near-me\">our guide on how to find a monkeypox vaccine near you\u003c/a>, you can use the box below to submit your question. What you send us will make our reporting on monkeypox stronger, and help us decide what to cover here on our site and on KQED Public Radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Please know that we can't reach back out directly to everyone who asks a question, and we can't give out individual medical advice. If you're concerned about monkeypox or another health matter, we urge you to reach out to your health care provider, or a local community clinic if you don't have insurance. (\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11920455/where-can-i-find-a-monkeypox-vaccine-near-me#wheremonkeypoxvaccinenearme\">See our list of community clinics in your county.\u003c/a>)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"hearken","attributes":{"named":{"id":"9840","src":"https://modules.wearehearken.com/kqed/embed/9840.js","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11922286/monkeypox-surfaces-air-transmission","authors":["3243"],"categories":["news_457","news_8","news_356"],"tags":["news_26042","news_18543","news_31133","news_31382","news_31325","news_28513","news_922","news_981"],"featImg":"news_11922419","label":"news"},"news_11921791":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11921791","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11921791","score":null,"sort":[1659987865000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"monkeypox-covid-latinos-cases-covid","title":"Like COVID-19, Monkeypox Is Heavily Affecting Bay Area Latinos. Are We Prepared?","publishDate":1659987865,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11921185/newsom-declares-statewide-emergency-amid-rapid-spread-of-monkeypox-virus\">Monkeypox has now been formally declared a public health state of emergency in California.\u003c/a> And when the state released initial data on the demographics of confirmed monkeypox infections in July, the numbers revealed that two ethnic groups \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Monkeypox-Data.aspx\">composed an overwhelming majority of cases\u003c/a>: white and Latino residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>White people represented 40.5% of cases in California, while Latinos formed 37%. The percentages roughly match up with the overall makeup of the state's population — 35% of Californians are non-Hispanic whites, while 40% consider themselves Latinos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in the Bay Area, a different picture is emerging.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As individual counties in the region share their own numbers on monkeypox cases, this more localized data shows that within the Bay Area, it's the Latino community that's being disproportionately affected by the virus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On July 29, the San Francisco Public Health Department confirmed that \u003ca href=\"https://sf.gov/information/monkeypox-cases\">Latinos made up over 26% of cases\u003c/a> — despite representing only 15% of the city's population. That same week, \u003ca href=\"https://publichealth.sccgov.org/news/news-release/public-health-department-releases-new-data-showing-latino-gay-and-bisexual-men\">Santa Clara County released its own data\u003c/a>, which showed that over 50% of cases are among Latinos, while this population represents only 26% of the county.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11921709\" hero=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57502_007_KQED_MonkeypoxVaccineLineSFGen_08012022-qut-1020x680.jpg\"]The disproportionate nature of these numbers has alarmed both public health officials and Latino community organizers — some of whom say it's reminding them of COVID-19, and the asymmetrical impact that virus had on this population in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The COVID-19 pandemic saw \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11860883/trusted-leaders-are-fighting-covid-19-vaccine-fears-in-black-and-latino-communities\">many community-led public health initiatives in predominantly Latino neighborhoods across the region\u003c/a>, including San Jose's Eastside, Fruitvale in Oakland and San Francisco's Mission District. In the Mission, the Latino Task Force, a coalition of nonprofits and organizers, partnered with UC San Francisco and the city to bring testing and vaccination services to public transport hubs and food banks. These efforts helped \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11902149/community-covid-clinics-fill-crucial-need-in-underserved-communities-but-are-strapped-for-resources\">make the COVID-19 vaccine easily accessible\u003c/a> to essential workers, uninsured residents and immigrant families. So what lessons can be learned for the new public health challenge of monkeypox?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday, KQED's Brian Watt spoke with Dr. Carina Marquez, associate professor of medicine at UCSF and one of the founders of Unidos en Salud — a partnership of the Latino Task Force, UCSF, UC Berkeley and CZ Biohub — to understand what lessons from the coronavirus pandemic can be applied to the way care providers respond to the monkeypox outbreak, and to hear more about monkeypox's disproportionate impact on Latino and immigrant communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>BRIAN WATT: W\u003c/strong>\u003cstrong>hat do you make of these early signs of monkeypox spread among Latinos in parts of the Bay?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DR. CARINA MARQUEZ: This isn’t anything new. I think we saw early disparities by race/ethnicity emerged with the COVID-19 pandemic. We see them in other health conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so I wasn't surprised to see these disparities emerge early on. Of course, I was saddened by it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What are groups like the Latino Task Force doing to help address this?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're in a unique situation with monkeypox in that we have a vaccine, but it's very limited. When we were in COVID-19, we started the COVID-19 pandemic without a vaccine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So with the monkeypox vaccine, we have to do everything we can to partner with community to get the word out on how to access the vaccine \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">… \u003c/span> communities want to know what [the vaccine] is and whether they should trust it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11920455\" hero=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57399_GettyImages-1408879341-qut-1020x765.jpg\"]Education is the first thing and doing it with trusted messengers in the community is extremely important and certainly particularly important with the Latino community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then how you structurally access the vaccine is really important. My colleagues at San Francisco General Hospital have set up a really great low-barrier walk-up access clinic, but we know that this is not enough. The lines are really long. You have to know when to show up in line to get it. And then there may be a stigma associated with waiting in line.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As we’re thinking about vaccine distribution, partnering with community and using what we know has worked with the COVID-19 vaccine — in terms of using neighborhood sites or pop-up sites, to bring vaccines out of the health care system to the communities most impacted — I think are going to be a key part of an equitable response to vaccine distribution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11849488\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11849488\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A family gets ready to receive a COVID-19 test in a large plaza.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A pop-up COVID-19 testing site near the BART station at 24th and Mission streets in San Francisco on Nov. 30, 2020. The site is part of the Unidos en Salud initiative, a collaboration between UCSF and the city's Latino Task Force. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I hear you saying that our experience with COVID-19 should have prepared us better for monkeypox. Do you think we are better prepared now than we would have been without COVID-19?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think in some ways we are still in our COVID-19 response. In San Francisco, we still have a number of highly used neighborhood vaccination sites, community partnerships, both with [UCSF] and the San Francisco Department of Public Health, where we're working together to address equity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have a lot of room to go, but we can use these relationships and these sites to increase vaccine access. The limiting issue right now is the number of vaccines available, and I hope that that changes quickly. I know many people are advocating for increased vaccine supply.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You mentioned the importance of trust — building trust. I was reading one media report on this topic that suggests, \"Hey, you gotta go on Spanish-language radio and make sure that the word is out there.\" Do you feel like that's happening enough? And what is the best way to build trust?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Absolutely. So I think messaging coming from trusted sources is absolutely critical. So we cannot stop at just doing Zoom town halls. We need to be on Spanish-language radio. We need information that is in Spanish, and delivered by trusted community sources, both by community groups as well as Spanish-speaking health care professionals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The other thing, in addition to radio and town halls: The \"ground game\" is really important. So that person-to-person discussion can be had with trusted community members at community-based organizations who are talking to people all the time. Having those conversations is also critical to increasing vaccine uptake and trust in the vaccine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the Latino community, we have many people who are uninsured who may not feel comfortable going to a health care center to get the vaccine. So having those conversations with trusted community members can increase that trust and is a critical piece of the response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"arts_13916810\" hero=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/07/Festival.Selfie-1020x664.jpg\"]\u003cstrong>How can Latinx parents or caregivers talk about monkeypox with kids when they're talking about sexual health?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’m a parent of young children. I think that this is part of the bigger conversation about the importance of talking about sexual health with youth in an age-appropriate way. And we have to be very clear about how it transmits, and what it looks like, and when to get tested and who should get vaccinated. But I think just being honest is the best policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What conversation should a family have after a loved one tests positive for monkeypox? I'm thinking about the case of a large sort of multigenerational family, living together in the same space.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We hope that these conversations are filled with compassion and love for the family member.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The other big question you’re bringing up is that with monkeypox, the recommended isolation is quite long. It can be, oftentimes, a month. You have to wait until the lesions scab over and new skin grows. So oftentimes, we're talking about being out of work and having infection control precautions within the house for one month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We as a society need to think about, as we did with COVID-19, how we support people who have to isolate and who don’t have sick pay. And again, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11904834/covid-sick-pay-in-california-how-to-claim-this-new-paid-leave\">this sick pay comes up over and over again\u003c/a> and certainly [is] extremely important for Latino households.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Dr. Carina Marquez, associate professor of medicine, UCSF\"]'We as a society need to think about … how we support people who have to isolate and who don't have sick pay.'[/pullquote]The other question is about being in multigenerational households or large households, or if you're in a shelter or single-room occupancy hotel with other roommates. With COVID-19, we had hotels, places where people could go to be able to isolate safely. That certainly should be part of the discussion about what the city offers for people living in very crowded circumstances to try to limit spread.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Secondly, we know that household transmission \u003cem>can\u003c/em> occur. We are still trying to understand exactly how much, and thinking about the best ways to protect against that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Are there some common themes about monkeypox, misinformation that you and the groups you're working with are hearing on the regular? Something that just keeps popping up out there that just needs to be immediately debunked?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the biggest things that we need to keep addressing is the stigma associated with [monkeypox].\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Certainly, while anybody could be affected with monkeypox, we are certainly seeing that this current outbreak is predominantly affecting men who have sex with men, gay, bisexual men and trans people. [We should continue] to mention that without making it sound like we are saying, \"Oh, it's a gay disease.\" Continually mentioning who's most infected helps us to direct resources to the community that is most affected, and most needs it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think there's a lot of questions about how it's transmitted. Really emphasizing right now that the predominant mode of transmission is close contact — mostly through sexual encounters — is important so that people know what their risk is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's not to say that not everyone can be at risk, but we need to know who’s at highest risk right now. And so I think the questions about transmission, risk groups and addressing stigma are some of our top priorities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Now that the entire state of California is under a public health emergency from monkeypox, what difference does this make to expanding testing and vaccination?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Declaring this a public health emergency was the right thing to do so that we can have the resources to respond in a swift manner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I will say, I have taken care of many patients with monkeypox. I'm one of the clinicians who is delivering TPOXX for the most severe cases, and seeing patients suffer with this disease — the pain that it causes — is heartbreaking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have tools to address this outbreak and we need to do it swiftly. This public health emergency is one of the pieces that will allow us to do it. We have a lot of work to do, especially in terms of addressing it equitably. But this is one component to get us there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[hearken id=\"9840\" src=\"https://modules.wearehearken.com/kqed/embed/9840.js\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"UCSF's Dr. Carina Marquez on monkeypox's disproportionate impact on Latino and immigrant communities, and what lessons can be applied from the COVID pandemic.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1662485082,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":true,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":45,"wordCount":1930},"headData":{"title":"Like COVID-19, Monkeypox Is Heavily Affecting Bay Area Latinos. 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Are We Prepared?","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11921791/monkeypox-covid-latinos-cases-covid","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11921185/newsom-declares-statewide-emergency-amid-rapid-spread-of-monkeypox-virus\">Monkeypox has now been formally declared a public health state of emergency in California.\u003c/a> And when the state released initial data on the demographics of confirmed monkeypox infections in July, the numbers revealed that two ethnic groups \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Monkeypox-Data.aspx\">composed an overwhelming majority of cases\u003c/a>: white and Latino residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>White people represented 40.5% of cases in California, while Latinos formed 37%. The percentages roughly match up with the overall makeup of the state's population — 35% of Californians are non-Hispanic whites, while 40% consider themselves Latinos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in the Bay Area, a different picture is emerging.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As individual counties in the region share their own numbers on monkeypox cases, this more localized data shows that within the Bay Area, it's the Latino community that's being disproportionately affected by the virus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On July 29, the San Francisco Public Health Department confirmed that \u003ca href=\"https://sf.gov/information/monkeypox-cases\">Latinos made up over 26% of cases\u003c/a> — despite representing only 15% of the city's population. That same week, \u003ca href=\"https://publichealth.sccgov.org/news/news-release/public-health-department-releases-new-data-showing-latino-gay-and-bisexual-men\">Santa Clara County released its own data\u003c/a>, which showed that over 50% of cases are among Latinos, while this population represents only 26% of the county.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11921709","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57502_007_KQED_MonkeypoxVaccineLineSFGen_08012022-qut-1020x680.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The disproportionate nature of these numbers has alarmed both public health officials and Latino community organizers — some of whom say it's reminding them of COVID-19, and the asymmetrical impact that virus had on this population in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The COVID-19 pandemic saw \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11860883/trusted-leaders-are-fighting-covid-19-vaccine-fears-in-black-and-latino-communities\">many community-led public health initiatives in predominantly Latino neighborhoods across the region\u003c/a>, including San Jose's Eastside, Fruitvale in Oakland and San Francisco's Mission District. In the Mission, the Latino Task Force, a coalition of nonprofits and organizers, partnered with UC San Francisco and the city to bring testing and vaccination services to public transport hubs and food banks. These efforts helped \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11902149/community-covid-clinics-fill-crucial-need-in-underserved-communities-but-are-strapped-for-resources\">make the COVID-19 vaccine easily accessible\u003c/a> to essential workers, uninsured residents and immigrant families. So what lessons can be learned for the new public health challenge of monkeypox?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday, KQED's Brian Watt spoke with Dr. Carina Marquez, associate professor of medicine at UCSF and one of the founders of Unidos en Salud — a partnership of the Latino Task Force, UCSF, UC Berkeley and CZ Biohub — to understand what lessons from the coronavirus pandemic can be applied to the way care providers respond to the monkeypox outbreak, and to hear more about monkeypox's disproportionate impact on Latino and immigrant communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>BRIAN WATT: W\u003c/strong>\u003cstrong>hat do you make of these early signs of monkeypox spread among Latinos in parts of the Bay?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DR. CARINA MARQUEZ: This isn’t anything new. I think we saw early disparities by race/ethnicity emerged with the COVID-19 pandemic. We see them in other health conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so I wasn't surprised to see these disparities emerge early on. Of course, I was saddened by it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What are groups like the Latino Task Force doing to help address this?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're in a unique situation with monkeypox in that we have a vaccine, but it's very limited. When we were in COVID-19, we started the COVID-19 pandemic without a vaccine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So with the monkeypox vaccine, we have to do everything we can to partner with community to get the word out on how to access the vaccine \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">… \u003c/span> communities want to know what [the vaccine] is and whether they should trust it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11920455","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/RS57399_GettyImages-1408879341-qut-1020x765.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Education is the first thing and doing it with trusted messengers in the community is extremely important and certainly particularly important with the Latino community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then how you structurally access the vaccine is really important. My colleagues at San Francisco General Hospital have set up a really great low-barrier walk-up access clinic, but we know that this is not enough. The lines are really long. You have to know when to show up in line to get it. And then there may be a stigma associated with waiting in line.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As we’re thinking about vaccine distribution, partnering with community and using what we know has worked with the COVID-19 vaccine — in terms of using neighborhood sites or pop-up sites, to bring vaccines out of the health care system to the communities most impacted — I think are going to be a key part of an equitable response to vaccine distribution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11849488\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11849488\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A family gets ready to receive a COVID-19 test in a large plaza.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46154_063_KQED_SanFrancisco_COVIDTesting_11302020-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A pop-up COVID-19 testing site near the BART station at 24th and Mission streets in San Francisco on Nov. 30, 2020. The site is part of the Unidos en Salud initiative, a collaboration between UCSF and the city's Latino Task Force. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I hear you saying that our experience with COVID-19 should have prepared us better for monkeypox. Do you think we are better prepared now than we would have been without COVID-19?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think in some ways we are still in our COVID-19 response. In San Francisco, we still have a number of highly used neighborhood vaccination sites, community partnerships, both with [UCSF] and the San Francisco Department of Public Health, where we're working together to address equity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have a lot of room to go, but we can use these relationships and these sites to increase vaccine access. The limiting issue right now is the number of vaccines available, and I hope that that changes quickly. I know many people are advocating for increased vaccine supply.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You mentioned the importance of trust — building trust. I was reading one media report on this topic that suggests, \"Hey, you gotta go on Spanish-language radio and make sure that the word is out there.\" Do you feel like that's happening enough? And what is the best way to build trust?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Absolutely. So I think messaging coming from trusted sources is absolutely critical. So we cannot stop at just doing Zoom town halls. We need to be on Spanish-language radio. We need information that is in Spanish, and delivered by trusted community sources, both by community groups as well as Spanish-speaking health care professionals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The other thing, in addition to radio and town halls: The \"ground game\" is really important. So that person-to-person discussion can be had with trusted community members at community-based organizations who are talking to people all the time. Having those conversations is also critical to increasing vaccine uptake and trust in the vaccine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the Latino community, we have many people who are uninsured who may not feel comfortable going to a health care center to get the vaccine. So having those conversations with trusted community members can increase that trust and is a critical piece of the response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13916810","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/07/Festival.Selfie-1020x664.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How can Latinx parents or caregivers talk about monkeypox with kids when they're talking about sexual health?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’m a parent of young children. I think that this is part of the bigger conversation about the importance of talking about sexual health with youth in an age-appropriate way. And we have to be very clear about how it transmits, and what it looks like, and when to get tested and who should get vaccinated. But I think just being honest is the best policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What conversation should a family have after a loved one tests positive for monkeypox? I'm thinking about the case of a large sort of multigenerational family, living together in the same space.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We hope that these conversations are filled with compassion and love for the family member.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The other big question you’re bringing up is that with monkeypox, the recommended isolation is quite long. It can be, oftentimes, a month. You have to wait until the lesions scab over and new skin grows. So oftentimes, we're talking about being out of work and having infection control precautions within the house for one month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We as a society need to think about, as we did with COVID-19, how we support people who have to isolate and who don’t have sick pay. And again, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11904834/covid-sick-pay-in-california-how-to-claim-this-new-paid-leave\">this sick pay comes up over and over again\u003c/a> and certainly [is] extremely important for Latino households.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'We as a society need to think about … how we support people who have to isolate and who don't have sick pay.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Dr. Carina Marquez, associate professor of medicine, UCSF","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The other question is about being in multigenerational households or large households, or if you're in a shelter or single-room occupancy hotel with other roommates. With COVID-19, we had hotels, places where people could go to be able to isolate safely. That certainly should be part of the discussion about what the city offers for people living in very crowded circumstances to try to limit spread.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Secondly, we know that household transmission \u003cem>can\u003c/em> occur. We are still trying to understand exactly how much, and thinking about the best ways to protect against that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Are there some common themes about monkeypox, misinformation that you and the groups you're working with are hearing on the regular? Something that just keeps popping up out there that just needs to be immediately debunked?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the biggest things that we need to keep addressing is the stigma associated with [monkeypox].\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Certainly, while anybody could be affected with monkeypox, we are certainly seeing that this current outbreak is predominantly affecting men who have sex with men, gay, bisexual men and trans people. [We should continue] to mention that without making it sound like we are saying, \"Oh, it's a gay disease.\" Continually mentioning who's most infected helps us to direct resources to the community that is most affected, and most needs it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think there's a lot of questions about how it's transmitted. Really emphasizing right now that the predominant mode of transmission is close contact — mostly through sexual encounters — is important so that people know what their risk is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's not to say that not everyone can be at risk, but we need to know who’s at highest risk right now. And so I think the questions about transmission, risk groups and addressing stigma are some of our top priorities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Now that the entire state of California is under a public health emergency from monkeypox, what difference does this make to expanding testing and vaccination?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Declaring this a public health emergency was the right thing to do so that we can have the resources to respond in a swift manner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I will say, I have taken care of many patients with monkeypox. I'm one of the clinicians who is delivering TPOXX for the most severe cases, and seeing patients suffer with this disease — the pain that it causes — is heartbreaking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have tools to address this outbreak and we need to do it swiftly. This public health emergency is one of the pieces that will allow us to do it. We have a lot of work to do, especially in terms of addressing it equitably. But this is one component to get us there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"hearken","attributes":{"named":{"id":"9840","src":"https://modules.wearehearken.com/kqed/embed/9840.js","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11921791/monkeypox-covid-latinos-cases-covid","authors":["11238","11724","11708"],"categories":["news_457","news_28250","news_8","news_356"],"tags":["news_31422","news_31421","news_31420","news_18142","news_25409","news_31133","news_19960","news_922"],"featImg":"news_11813975","label":"news"},"news_11918866":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11918866","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11918866","score":null,"sort":[1657196147000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"at-tk-12-school-within-ucsf-education-is-a-path-to-healing","title":"At TK-12 School Within UCSF, Education Is a Path to Healing","publishDate":1657196147,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>Elizabeth Madole, 8, is a regular at UCSF Benioff Children’s Hospital San Francisco. At least once a month, she and her family trek from Redding so she can get transfusions to treat a rare neuromuscular disorder.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It can be a painful, difficult time. But amid the IV tubes and machines, there is one bright spot: Miss Erika.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We read ‘Narwhal and Jelly’ books. We do art. I like doing math, too,” Elizabeth said. “She’s just a fun teacher. … What I like best is that she loves me.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Miss Erika — also known as Erika Shue — teaches in one of California’s most unusual public schools: the \u003ca href=\"https://www.ucsfbenioffchildrens.org/services/school-program\">Marie Wattis School\u003c/a>, a TK-12 school that exists within the walls of UCSF.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With an enrollment of about 80 students, the Wattis School serves children from throughout California and beyond who are grappling with serious health conditions such as cancer, spina bifida or cystic fibrosis — but who also want a “normal” school experience. Students learn geometry and history, do poetry slams and celebrate graduations, and even have a prom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a world where almost nothing resembles a normal childhood, the Wattis School provides structure, a connection to peers both in and out of the hospital and, perhaps most important, hope.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The message that students get is, school is important, we think you’re going to get better, your life will go on and you \u003cem>will\u003c/em> need to learn algebra,” said Julie Pollman, the school’s head teacher and one of its founders. “In that way, school becomes part of the healing process.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many large children’s hospitals offer education services, but UCSF’s, founded in 1992, was among the first and has served as a model for other in-patient facilities. It’s unique in that it’s part of San Francisco Unified. Of the school’s 11 teachers, four work for the district and seven are funded by private donors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As medical technology improves and more children are surviving conditions that once might have been fatal, more children’s hospitals are offering or expanding education services — an effort to make children’s transitions back to regular school as seamless as possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But there’s a broad range of what hospitals offer. Some children’s hospitals, like UCSF, are affiliated with school districts. They have classrooms, 1-to-1 bedside instruction, visits from science museums, room for siblings and close contact with the children’s regular teachers. Others have more informal arrangements, such as tutors who help with homework assigned by the regular school. And some, especially those that are underfunded or in remote locations, offer little or no education for their patients.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11918887\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 476px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11918887\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/IMG_4393-3.jpg\" alt=\"Student shows artwork published in UCSF magazine.\" width=\"476\" height=\"491\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/IMG_4393-3.jpg 476w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/IMG_4393-3-160x165.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 476px) 100vw, 476px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Elizabeth Madole, 8, shows her artwork that was published in a UCSF magazine. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Stephanie Madole)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.healassociation.org/\">Hospital Educator and Academic Liaison (HEAL) Association\u003c/a>, a nonprofit organization representing hospital-based teachers, is advocating for more hospitals to invest in school services for children, and for credential programs to train teachers in the special art of educating children with serious health conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it is an art. Only about 35% of the children at UCSF have individualized education plans or 504s, meaning that they’re enrolled in special education, but they might tire easily, or become frustrated or depressed, or just have off days. A good teacher knows when to push the child and when to put the textbook down for a while.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Teachers at the Wattis School study children’s medical charts and talk to doctors and families, making an effort to understand what specific challenges a child might be facing on a particular day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our teachers are part surrogate parent, chaplain, confidant. They know how to be good listeners, how to read body language and take the long view,” Pollman said. “You never know what kind of day your student is having, what news they just received. It might be time to celebrate, or it might be time to exert some sensitivity and put the algebra away for now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In some cases, schoolwork and time with teachers might actually help children recover, said Jodi Krause, a board member of the association and brain injury educational coordinator at Children’s Hospital Colorado. With brain injuries, for example, academic challenges and 1-on-1 time with teachers can play a role in rehabilitation. And the social benefits of school can improve a child’s mental health overall, leading to easier hospital stays.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A kid’s job is to be in school,” Krause said. “And we haven’t done our job if we haven’t prepared them for how they’re going to be spending their time after they’re discharged.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label='Related Stories' tag='education']Schools within hospitals have another benefit: They reduce absenteeism. Students who are learning even when they can’t physically attend their regular school have higher attendance rates overall and do better academically in the long run, Krause said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At UCSF, students can be enrolled for just a few days for one-time procedures or, if they have chronic conditions, for years. Some even graduate from the Wattis School and go on to college. They come from throughout California and overseas, drawn to the hospital’s cutting-edge trials and research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Elizabeth, who’ll start third grade this fall, has been a regular visitor to UCSF for years. Diagnosed with a neuromuscular disease called generalized myasthenia gravis as well as an autoimmune inflammatory disorder, Elizabeth visits UCSF at least once a month for infusions of antibodies and other treatments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her mother, Stephanie Madole, said that Elizabeth loves her teacher so much she actually looks forward to the long drive from Redding and the days hooked to IV drips.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The school is phenomenal,” Madole said. “It allows her not just to continue her education, but it gives her a sense that the hospital is a home away from home. The teachers care so deeply about the kids. … I don’t have the words to describe the positive impact it’s had on Elizabeth.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thanks to the attention she gets from Shue, Elizabeth is even a little ahead of her peers at her regular school. For children who are in and out of hospitals, that’s not usually the case. Shue allows Elizabeth’s younger sister, Charlotte, as well as Gracie, one of Elizabeth’s friends from home, to join in the lessons virtually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The gratitude we feel is immense,” Madole said. “Elizabeth truly feels loved.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The Wattis School serves children from throughout California and beyond who are grappling with serious health conditions – but who also want a 'normal' school experience.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1657155506,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":25,"wordCount":1141},"headData":{"title":"At TK-12 School Within UCSF, Education Is a Path to Healing | KQED","description":"The Wattis School serves children from throughout California and beyond who are grappling with serious health conditions – but who also want a 'normal' school experience.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"At TK-12 School Within UCSF, Education Is a Path to Healing","datePublished":"2022-07-07T12:15:47.000Z","dateModified":"2022-07-07T00:58:26.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11918866 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11918866","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/07/07/at-tk-12-school-within-ucsf-education-is-a-path-to-healing/","disqusTitle":"At TK-12 School Within UCSF, Education Is a Path to Healing","source":"EdSource","sourceUrl":"https://edsource.org/","nprByline":"\u003ca href=\"//edsource.org/author/cjones\">Carolyn Jones\u003c/a>","subhead":"Unique school inside UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital San Francisco provides education for kids with serious health conditions.","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","path":"/news/11918866/at-tk-12-school-within-ucsf-education-is-a-path-to-healing","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Elizabeth Madole, 8, is a regular at UCSF Benioff Children’s Hospital San Francisco. At least once a month, she and her family trek from Redding so she can get transfusions to treat a rare neuromuscular disorder.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It can be a painful, difficult time. But amid the IV tubes and machines, there is one bright spot: Miss Erika.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We read ‘Narwhal and Jelly’ books. We do art. I like doing math, too,” Elizabeth said. “She’s just a fun teacher. … What I like best is that she loves me.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Miss Erika — also known as Erika Shue — teaches in one of California’s most unusual public schools: the \u003ca href=\"https://www.ucsfbenioffchildrens.org/services/school-program\">Marie Wattis School\u003c/a>, a TK-12 school that exists within the walls of UCSF.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With an enrollment of about 80 students, the Wattis School serves children from throughout California and beyond who are grappling with serious health conditions such as cancer, spina bifida or cystic fibrosis — but who also want a “normal” school experience. Students learn geometry and history, do poetry slams and celebrate graduations, and even have a prom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a world where almost nothing resembles a normal childhood, the Wattis School provides structure, a connection to peers both in and out of the hospital and, perhaps most important, hope.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The message that students get is, school is important, we think you’re going to get better, your life will go on and you \u003cem>will\u003c/em> need to learn algebra,” said Julie Pollman, the school’s head teacher and one of its founders. “In that way, school becomes part of the healing process.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many large children’s hospitals offer education services, but UCSF’s, founded in 1992, was among the first and has served as a model for other in-patient facilities. It’s unique in that it’s part of San Francisco Unified. Of the school’s 11 teachers, four work for the district and seven are funded by private donors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As medical technology improves and more children are surviving conditions that once might have been fatal, more children’s hospitals are offering or expanding education services — an effort to make children’s transitions back to regular school as seamless as possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But there’s a broad range of what hospitals offer. Some children’s hospitals, like UCSF, are affiliated with school districts. They have classrooms, 1-to-1 bedside instruction, visits from science museums, room for siblings and close contact with the children’s regular teachers. Others have more informal arrangements, such as tutors who help with homework assigned by the regular school. And some, especially those that are underfunded or in remote locations, offer little or no education for their patients.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11918887\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 476px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11918887\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/IMG_4393-3.jpg\" alt=\"Student shows artwork published in UCSF magazine.\" width=\"476\" height=\"491\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/IMG_4393-3.jpg 476w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/07/IMG_4393-3-160x165.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 476px) 100vw, 476px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Elizabeth Madole, 8, shows her artwork that was published in a UCSF magazine. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Stephanie Madole)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.healassociation.org/\">Hospital Educator and Academic Liaison (HEAL) Association\u003c/a>, a nonprofit organization representing hospital-based teachers, is advocating for more hospitals to invest in school services for children, and for credential programs to train teachers in the special art of educating children with serious health conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it is an art. Only about 35% of the children at UCSF have individualized education plans or 504s, meaning that they’re enrolled in special education, but they might tire easily, or become frustrated or depressed, or just have off days. A good teacher knows when to push the child and when to put the textbook down for a while.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Teachers at the Wattis School study children’s medical charts and talk to doctors and families, making an effort to understand what specific challenges a child might be facing on a particular day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our teachers are part surrogate parent, chaplain, confidant. They know how to be good listeners, how to read body language and take the long view,” Pollman said. “You never know what kind of day your student is having, what news they just received. 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Some even graduate from the Wattis School and go on to college. They come from throughout California and overseas, drawn to the hospital’s cutting-edge trials and research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Elizabeth, who’ll start third grade this fall, has been a regular visitor to UCSF for years. Diagnosed with a neuromuscular disease called generalized myasthenia gravis as well as an autoimmune inflammatory disorder, Elizabeth visits UCSF at least once a month for infusions of antibodies and other treatments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her mother, Stephanie Madole, said that Elizabeth loves her teacher so much she actually looks forward to the long drive from Redding and the days hooked to IV drips.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The school is phenomenal,” Madole said. “It allows her not just to continue her education, but it gives her a sense that the hospital is a home away from home. 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[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Justin Phillips, UCSF respiratory therapist\"]'The biggest thing that I've tried to uphold through the beginning of this and even outside of COVID when it comes to other health care issues is that I try to respect and believe in the science that highly educated people have provided us.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So to get a better sense of what’s happening inside hospitals, KQED’s Brian Watt spoke with Justin Phillips, a respiratory therapist with UCSF at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian Watt: What is it like to care for so many COVID patients at today's pace?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Justin Phillips\u003c/strong>: As someone who's been in health care for quite some time, I think it is quite upsetting because I see people on the spectrum of sickness, from less sick to super sick. You are provided the unique opportunity to talk to people who are very sick, who have lots of worries. And then on the other spectrum, you see the people that are so sick — they're sedated with drugs and on breathing machines — that they can’t talk to you and you essentially see someone who's laying there helpless and you're trying to provide support while answering a lot of unanswered questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Are you ever in a situation where you're discussing whether they got vaccinated? How they may have felt about getting vaccinated?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think because of my unique position as someone who's part of the ICU health care team and being right there, taking care of some of these patients, you are present for some of these uncomfortable conversations or you might overhear a conversation that has to do with vaccination status. And you know, the reality of it is, while you do want to respect people's wishes, you do need to be upfront and let them know this is why they're here, that you've contracted COVID and we're here to take the best care of you possible.[aside postID=\"news_11901239,news_11900736,news_11900014\" label=\"Related Posts\"]\u003cstrong>What do the staffing shortages that we keep hearing about look like inside where you work?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As we go through ebbs and flows of waves and the days get longer for staff members because of staffing shortages, I think it just takes a hit on the morale, really, as people end up getting sick or have high-risk exposure and need to be out of work for long periods of times. Or they need the mental space to be off of work. What it does for the remaining staff members at the bedside, the days get longer. The work seemingly gets harder and we are kind of left in the position where we just have to push on to continue to provide care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What are you talking about in terms of days getting longer? What's the longest day you've worked and how normal is that?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have had 16- to 18-hour days. A normal day for us is 12 hours, but I've been there for extended periods of time because I don't want to leave my co-workers in a worse staffing position.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What has been your secret if you haven't gotten COVID yet? Do you feel like there's something you really make sure to do and then clear your mind once you're out of the space of just thinking about COVID?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't think I have a secret recipe per se. The biggest thing that I've tried to uphold through the beginning of this and even outside of COVID when it comes to other health care issues is that I try to respect and believe in the science that highly educated people have provided us. So I've followed vaccine mandates and so forth, and as sad as it has been for some individuals during the past, I guess over two years now, I've tried to respect the social distancing and constant masking and really reduce my exposure to people outside of, like, my small circle that I trust. So that has meant smaller Christmases and no big gatherings for me for quite some time and reducing the types of travel — things that I love. But it was really all at the cost of making sure that I'm still healthy. I have a great opportunity of getting sick at work, as I've told many of my co-workers. It would be quite upsetting to … as soon as I walk out of the door and become very lax and get sick.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Your colleagues who do get sick, who do get COVID, do you see them grappling with exactly when they should come back to work?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't think anyone who is sick or out waiting for testing necessarily wants to leave their colleagues in a situation where they're stressing about how they can take care of all the patients in the COVID unit, all the patients in the non-COVID units. We have a great dynamic team of health care professionals who are committed to the job that they love to do. So I think most of these individuals are ready to go back to work. They want to go back to work. They want to help out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Justin Phillips, a respiratory therapist with UCSF at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital, explains to KQED's Brian Watt what's happening at hospitals dealing with the omicron variant surge.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1642114267,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":19,"wordCount":1120},"headData":{"title":"'It Just Takes a Hit on the Morale': How a UCSF Respiratory Therapist Takes On the Omicron Surge | KQED","description":"Justin Phillips, a respiratory therapist with UCSF at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital, explains to KQED's Brian Watt what's happening at hospitals dealing with the omicron variant surge.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"'It Just Takes a Hit on the Morale': How a UCSF Respiratory Therapist Takes On the Omicron Surge","datePublished":"2022-01-13T00:55:57.000Z","dateModified":"2022-01-13T22:51:07.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11901520 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11901520","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/01/12/it-just-takes-a-hit-on-the-morale-how-a-ucsf-respiratory-therapist-takes-on-the-omicron-surge/","disqusTitle":"'It Just Takes a Hit on the Morale': How a UCSF Respiratory Therapist Takes On the Omicron Surge","audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/e9bdc83e-9569-4520-8fe0-ae1b013da69e/audio.mp3","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11901520/it-just-takes-a-hit-on-the-morale-how-a-ucsf-respiratory-therapist-takes-on-the-omicron-surge","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>As the omicron surge continues, emergency rooms across Bay Area hospitals are strained with an influx of COVID patients and staffing shortages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have this new twist that we haven't seen previously with a lot of health care workers who are out sick,” said Dr. Bob Wachter, chair of the Department of Medicine at UC San Francisco, on \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11901328/governor-newsom-proposes-expanded-healthcare-coverage-for-californians\">The California Report\u003c/a> this week. “So at UCSF today [Tuesday], we've got about 70 COVID patients. It's not our peak, but it's a lot. But probably just as importantly, we have hundreds of doctors and nurses who are out.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now almost two years into the pandemic, many health care workers are tired. In some cases, they’re dealing with long days as colleagues call in sick. Just in San Francisco, case rates reached record highs, with over 1,200 people a day on average testing positive, according to Dr. Grant Colfax, the city’s public health director.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"From access to testing, to frontline staffing to first responders and hospital staff being out due to infections or exposures, to higher numbers of people in the hospital, we are in the middle of the worst of this omicron surge,” he said during a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YzAwkqk92c\">news conference\u003c/a> Tuesday. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The biggest thing that I've tried to uphold through the beginning of this and even outside of COVID when it comes to other health care issues is that I try to respect and believe in the science that highly educated people have provided us.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Justin Phillips, UCSF respiratory therapist","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So to get a better sense of what’s happening inside hospitals, KQED’s Brian Watt spoke with Justin Phillips, a respiratory therapist with UCSF at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian Watt: What is it like to care for so many COVID patients at today's pace?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Justin Phillips\u003c/strong>: As someone who's been in health care for quite some time, I think it is quite upsetting because I see people on the spectrum of sickness, from less sick to super sick. You are provided the unique opportunity to talk to people who are very sick, who have lots of worries. And then on the other spectrum, you see the people that are so sick — they're sedated with drugs and on breathing machines — that they can’t talk to you and you essentially see someone who's laying there helpless and you're trying to provide support while answering a lot of unanswered questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Are you ever in a situation where you're discussing whether they got vaccinated? How they may have felt about getting vaccinated?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think because of my unique position as someone who's part of the ICU health care team and being right there, taking care of some of these patients, you are present for some of these uncomfortable conversations or you might overhear a conversation that has to do with vaccination status. And you know, the reality of it is, while you do want to respect people's wishes, you do need to be upfront and let them know this is why they're here, that you've contracted COVID and we're here to take the best care of you possible.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11901239,news_11900736,news_11900014","label":"Related Posts "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do the staffing shortages that we keep hearing about look like inside where you work?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As we go through ebbs and flows of waves and the days get longer for staff members because of staffing shortages, I think it just takes a hit on the morale, really, as people end up getting sick or have high-risk exposure and need to be out of work for long periods of times. Or they need the mental space to be off of work. What it does for the remaining staff members at the bedside, the days get longer. The work seemingly gets harder and we are kind of left in the position where we just have to push on to continue to provide care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What are you talking about in terms of days getting longer? What's the longest day you've worked and how normal is that?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have had 16- to 18-hour days. A normal day for us is 12 hours, but I've been there for extended periods of time because I don't want to leave my co-workers in a worse staffing position.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What has been your secret if you haven't gotten COVID yet? Do you feel like there's something you really make sure to do and then clear your mind once you're out of the space of just thinking about COVID?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't think I have a secret recipe per se. The biggest thing that I've tried to uphold through the beginning of this and even outside of COVID when it comes to other health care issues is that I try to respect and believe in the science that highly educated people have provided us. So I've followed vaccine mandates and so forth, and as sad as it has been for some individuals during the past, I guess over two years now, I've tried to respect the social distancing and constant masking and really reduce my exposure to people outside of, like, my small circle that I trust. So that has meant smaller Christmases and no big gatherings for me for quite some time and reducing the types of travel — things that I love. But it was really all at the cost of making sure that I'm still healthy. I have a great opportunity of getting sick at work, as I've told many of my co-workers. It would be quite upsetting to … as soon as I walk out of the door and become very lax and get sick.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Your colleagues who do get sick, who do get COVID, do you see them grappling with exactly when they should come back to work?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't think anyone who is sick or out waiting for testing necessarily wants to leave their colleagues in a situation where they're stressing about how they can take care of all the patients in the COVID unit, all the patients in the non-COVID units. We have a great dynamic team of health care professionals who are committed to the job that they love to do. So I think most of these individuals are ready to go back to work. They want to go back to work. 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When you move your hands, she moves hers. When you turn your head to the left, so does she.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You are Monique Williams,” the VR narrator says. “Take a look at yourself in the mirror.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You have a short Afro and you’re wearing a blue sweatshirt and jeans. You’ve been experiencing a lot of pain in your right arm, the narrator tells you, but after you went to the doctor two weeks ago, the pain has gotten worse, so you're heading back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now you sit on a medical exam table, and a white doctor stands at her computer looking down at you. Her voice brims with contempt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Yeah, I can see in these notes that one of the other doctors on my team told you \u003cem>last time\u003c/em> that a lot of what you're experiencing is because of your \u003cem>weight\u003c/em> and lack of exercise,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When you try to tell her the pain is really bad and you need help right now, she looks at her cellphone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Listen, Monica. Uh, Monique,” she says. “As the professional here, I can say, I really don't think you need anything other than to work on diet and exercise.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11899065\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11899065\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/MoniquePOV-e1639526962778.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1199\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A virtual reality program lets users experience racial bias as patient Monique Williams, a middle-aged Black woman. UCSF researchers hope virtual reality tools can raise awareness of medical mistreatment and mitigate bias among doctors and nurses. \u003ccite>(Courtesy UCSF)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Next, the VR narrator asks you how you feel, giving you a range of emoticons to choose from. The frustration, anger and embarrassment all are feelings behavioral scientist Kelly Taylor, 50, knows well from real life. She’s Black and has gone through the same experience as Monique at the doctor’s office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For instance, I've gone in, I had some back pain and they will not prescribe pain meds because there’s a perception of drug-seeking behavior,” she said. “In those instances, I have felt that, ‘You don't believe me.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Black patients overall are 22% less likely to be prescribed pain medication than white patients, \u003ca href=\"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22239747/\">according to an analysis of 20 years of research\u003c/a>. These treatment disparities are often traced to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/stateofhealth/54909/doctors-struggle-with-unconscious-bias-same-as-police\">bias among physicians\u003c/a>, many of whom, \u003ca href=\"https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain\">research shows\u003c/a>, falsely believe Black people feel less pain than white people. Such beliefs and behaviors are seen across medical fields and can contribute to fatal consequences. Black people are more likely to die from conditions like \u003ca href=\"https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=19\">heart disease\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=18\">diabetes\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/health-equity/racial-ethnic-disparities/disparities-deaths.html\">COVID\u003c/a> compared to white people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now Taylor is leading the research team at UCSF to see whether virtual reality might play a part in reversing trends like these, testing the simulation to see whether it can raise awareness of medical mistreatment and mitigate \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11826872/all-you-want-is-to-be-believed-the-impacts-of-unconscious-bias-in-health-care\">unconscious bias\u003c/a> among doctors and nurses.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Using emotion to bypass intellectual defenses\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The project is called \u003ca href=\"https://globalhealthsciences.ucsf.edu/news/tapping-virtual-reality-help-drive-equity-healthcare\">CULTIVATE\u003c/a>, short for Combating Unequal Treatment in Health Care Through Virtual Awareness and Training in Empathy. Researchers hypothesize virtual reality can interrupt the kinds of interactions patients like Monique have and may even do a better job than \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/stateofhealth/56311/ucsf-doctors-students-confront-their-own-unconscious-bias\">existing training modules\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Kelly Taylor, behavioral scientist and co-leader of UCSF's CULTIVATE project\"]'We're not telling you, 'You're bad.' We're saying, this is how someone else is experiencing life, and maybe if you can see it from their perspective, that may change how you engage with them.'[/pullquote]“Unconscious bias training is super popular,” Taylor said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She points to the many medical institutions that now ask their staff and students to complete some form of it. California law \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB65\">now mandates unconscious bias training for all maternity care providers\u003c/a> in an attempt to address the disparities in the state’s maternal and infant mortality rates: Black women are \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11889997/new-momnibus-bill-wants-to-help-more-black-moms-survive-childbirth\">three times as likely to die\u003c/a> from childbirth-related complications compared to the state average, and Black and Native American babies are twice as likely to die.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the law doesn’t specify what training should be used. \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6687518/\">Research is mixed\u003c/a> on the many variations of unconscious bias training that have been developed, and, Taylor says, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7265967/\">jury is still out\u003c/a> on how well it works or whether it works at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We also don't know much about dosing — how much it should take, how long we should do it to actually see a change in implicit bias,” she adds. “We do know that in some spaces, if it's not carefully thought through, it can actually do more harm than good.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some studies show white men in particular may \u003ca href=\"https://hbr.org/2016/01/diversity-policies-dont-help-women-or-minorities-and-they-make-white-men-feel-threatened\">feel shamed or threatened by diversity training\u003c/a>. They argue back or shut down, Taylor says — conversation over. With virtual reality, Taylor’s team thinks they can sidestep some of the brain’s intellectual defenses and trigger an empathy response instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"So we're not telling you, 'You're bad,'\" Taylor said. “We're saying, this is how someone else is experiencing life, and maybe if you can see it from their perspective, that may change how you engage with them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11899062\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1108px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11899062\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download.jpg\" alt=\"Behavioral Scientist Kelly Taylor, a Black woman, uses a VR headset\" width=\"1108\" height=\"856\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download.jpg 1108w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download-800x618.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download-1020x788.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download-160x124.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1108px) 100vw, 1108px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Behavioral scientist Kelly Taylor is leading the research team at UCSF to see whether virtual reality can raise awareness of medical mistreatment and mitigate unconscious bias among doctors and nurses. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Kelly Taylor)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Can you teach empathy?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>There is scientific debate around whether empathy is something that can be taught. Some social psychologists believe it's a fixed trait, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180312085124.htm\">rooted in genetics\u003c/a>, and what we’re born with is what we have for life. But others, including Taylor and her team, believe whatever our innate capacity for empathy is, we can learn to increase it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Virtual reality, in particular, can be an effective tool for cultivating empathy, with some calling it “\u003ca href=\"https://cas.nyu.edu/content/dam/nyu-as/casEWP/documents/MS%202019.pdf#page=132\">the empathy machine\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204494\">A Stanford study\u003c/a> showed that people who lost their homes in virtual reality developed long-lasting compassion for unhoused people in real life and were more willing to sign a petition for affordable housing. More than 86% of participants in a \u003ca href=\"https://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/Fulltext/2020/12000/Cultivating_Empathy_Through_Virtual_Reality_.36.aspx\">Columbia study\u003c/a> said VR enhanced their empathy for people of color after they inhabited the experience of a Black man interacting with police and being ignored in a job interview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You can intellectually understand something, but when you evoke an emotion, it scientifically interacts with a different part of your brain. It codes in your memory in a different way. It triggers different physiologic processes,” said Dr. Madhavi Dandu, professor of medicine at UCSF and an investigator on the research team.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hearing stories in the news, seeing movies about how other people live and traveling to different states or countries all are things that allow us to connect with others, she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Seeing people differently, understanding something differently than the way we saw something in the first place is where empathy comes from,” she said. “So I think it is learnable and teachable, and more importantly, it's encode-able: It becomes a part of who we are.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other researchers caution that empathy is just one piece of what should be a comprehensive, ongoing approach to training health care providers about racism and bias.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have to change hearts and minds,” said Monique Jindal, assistant professor of clinical medicine at the University of Illinois Chicago, who believes individual bias training should be paired with education about the structural and systemic causes of racism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She equates addressing unconscious bias with quitting smoking, which often involves multiple attempts and strategies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Some people need knowledge, some people need to be motivated, some people need to be scared by something,” she said. “There are a lot of things that go into someone being able to change the way that they are and the way that they've operated throughout the world their whole life.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Can building empathy lead to change in the doctor's office?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>UCSF researchers acknowledge that their VR simulation is only a starting point. The study is in its early phases and still needs to be refined and fully tested before it can be scaled and, ultimately, given away for free to whatever institutions wish to use it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For now, they want to see whether it sparks an empathy response, and whether that might lead to even small changes in how doctors interact with their patients.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s what happened for one of the first white doctors who tried it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Mike Reid placed the VR headset over his head and became Monique Williams, his breathing quickened almost immediately.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m in the body of a Black woman. I've got boobs and I feel different as I look at myself in the mirror,” said Reid, an infectious disease doctor at UCSF and co-principal investigator on the study, along with Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After 20 minutes in the virtual clinic, being ignored by the receptionist and failing to get the doctor to take his pain seriously, he’s visibly flustered. He looks like he just ran to catch a bus, but still missed it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Viscerally, it was very uncomfortable,” he said. “I felt uncomfortable about the lack of eye contact and what felt like contempt or dismissiveness. I could feel my blood pressure rising.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11899067\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11899067\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut.jpg\" alt=\"Woman of color watches as white man uses VR headset in medical office\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nova Wilson, program coordinator for the UCSF Institute for Global Health Sciences, instructs Dr. Mike Reid on using virtual reality equipment at UCSF offices in San Francisco on Dec. 10, 2021. The VR program is intended to teach doctors to have more empathy for their patients of color. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Right away, Reid starts reflecting on how he’s made his patients of color feel this way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I'm embarrassed to say that I think these kinds of things happen all the time,” he said. “I keep people waiting. I'm not fully attentive to their needs because I'm distracted by a million other things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The VR simulation includes what researchers call a “repair vignette,” where Monique goes back to the clinic and this time is treated with respect and kindness. The doctor asks her if she prefers to be called 'Monique' or 'Ms. Williams.' She sits down across from her at eye level. She listens and collaborates with her on finding an immediate solution to her pain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reid says these are changes he can make to his practice right away. Before this, seeing a patient was all about his own time and all the things he had to do. Now, he’s thinking about his patients of color and how precious their time is. He believes these adjustments will save time overall, for him and his patients.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If they feel respected and validated, you are more likely to be a confidante and trusted provider to them,” he said, “and the engagement is more likely to be productive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it’s a long road from building trust and rapport to having a definitive impact on a person’s health, let alone reversing the statistics on racial disparities in disease outcomes and death. A large, long-term study is needed to see whether there’s a causal relationship there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So essentially, does our VR reduce health disparities? It’s a huge question,” Kelly Taylor said. “We'd love to be able to say, 10, five years even from now, that yes, it does.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, if doctors say they’re going to do their work differently because of VR, even on a small scale, Taylor says, “We’d be satisfied with that outcome for now.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"UCSF researchers believe putting doctors in the shoes of their Black and Latinx patients will raise awareness of medical mistreatment and lead to improvements in care.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1639626765,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":45,"wordCount":2004},"headData":{"title":"Can Virtual Reality Be Used to Combat Racial Bias in Health Care? | KQED","description":"UCSF researchers believe putting doctors in the shoes of their Black and Latinx patients will raise awareness of medical mistreatment and lead to improvements in care.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Can Virtual Reality Be Used to Combat Racial Bias in Health Care?","datePublished":"2021-12-15T11:01:45.000Z","dateModified":"2021-12-16T03:52:45.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11898973 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11898973","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2021/12/15/can-virtual-reality-help-combat-racial-bias-in-health-care/","disqusTitle":"Can Virtual Reality Be Used to Combat Racial Bias in Health Care?","audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-4[…]f-aaef00f5a073/8d8f85ac-e290-441f-a837-adff012ddb56/audio.mp3","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11898973/can-virtual-reality-help-combat-racial-bias-in-health-care","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>When you slip the virtual reality headset over your eyes and take hold of the hand controls, a middle-aged Black woman appears before you. When you move your hands, she moves hers. When you turn your head to the left, so does she.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You are Monique Williams,” the VR narrator says. “Take a look at yourself in the mirror.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You have a short Afro and you’re wearing a blue sweatshirt and jeans. You’ve been experiencing a lot of pain in your right arm, the narrator tells you, but after you went to the doctor two weeks ago, the pain has gotten worse, so you're heading back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now you sit on a medical exam table, and a white doctor stands at her computer looking down at you. Her voice brims with contempt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Yeah, I can see in these notes that one of the other doctors on my team told you \u003cem>last time\u003c/em> that a lot of what you're experiencing is because of your \u003cem>weight\u003c/em> and lack of exercise,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When you try to tell her the pain is really bad and you need help right now, she looks at her cellphone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Listen, Monica. Uh, Monique,” she says. “As the professional here, I can say, I really don't think you need anything other than to work on diet and exercise.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11899065\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11899065\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/MoniquePOV-e1639526962778.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1199\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A virtual reality program lets users experience racial bias as patient Monique Williams, a middle-aged Black woman. UCSF researchers hope virtual reality tools can raise awareness of medical mistreatment and mitigate bias among doctors and nurses. \u003ccite>(Courtesy UCSF)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Next, the VR narrator asks you how you feel, giving you a range of emoticons to choose from. The frustration, anger and embarrassment all are feelings behavioral scientist Kelly Taylor, 50, knows well from real life. She’s Black and has gone through the same experience as Monique at the doctor’s office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For instance, I've gone in, I had some back pain and they will not prescribe pain meds because there’s a perception of drug-seeking behavior,” she said. “In those instances, I have felt that, ‘You don't believe me.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Black patients overall are 22% less likely to be prescribed pain medication than white patients, \u003ca href=\"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22239747/\">according to an analysis of 20 years of research\u003c/a>. These treatment disparities are often traced to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/stateofhealth/54909/doctors-struggle-with-unconscious-bias-same-as-police\">bias among physicians\u003c/a>, many of whom, \u003ca href=\"https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain\">research shows\u003c/a>, falsely believe Black people feel less pain than white people. Such beliefs and behaviors are seen across medical fields and can contribute to fatal consequences. Black people are more likely to die from conditions like \u003ca href=\"https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=19\">heart disease\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=18\">diabetes\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/health-equity/racial-ethnic-disparities/disparities-deaths.html\">COVID\u003c/a> compared to white people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now Taylor is leading the research team at UCSF to see whether virtual reality might play a part in reversing trends like these, testing the simulation to see whether it can raise awareness of medical mistreatment and mitigate \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11826872/all-you-want-is-to-be-believed-the-impacts-of-unconscious-bias-in-health-care\">unconscious bias\u003c/a> among doctors and nurses.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Using emotion to bypass intellectual defenses\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The project is called \u003ca href=\"https://globalhealthsciences.ucsf.edu/news/tapping-virtual-reality-help-drive-equity-healthcare\">CULTIVATE\u003c/a>, short for Combating Unequal Treatment in Health Care Through Virtual Awareness and Training in Empathy. Researchers hypothesize virtual reality can interrupt the kinds of interactions patients like Monique have and may even do a better job than \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/stateofhealth/56311/ucsf-doctors-students-confront-their-own-unconscious-bias\">existing training modules\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'We're not telling you, 'You're bad.' We're saying, this is how someone else is experiencing life, and maybe if you can see it from their perspective, that may change how you engage with them.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Kelly Taylor, behavioral scientist and co-leader of UCSF's CULTIVATE project","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Unconscious bias training is super popular,” Taylor said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She points to the many medical institutions that now ask their staff and students to complete some form of it. California law \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB65\">now mandates unconscious bias training for all maternity care providers\u003c/a> in an attempt to address the disparities in the state’s maternal and infant mortality rates: Black women are \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11889997/new-momnibus-bill-wants-to-help-more-black-moms-survive-childbirth\">three times as likely to die\u003c/a> from childbirth-related complications compared to the state average, and Black and Native American babies are twice as likely to die.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the law doesn’t specify what training should be used. \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6687518/\">Research is mixed\u003c/a> on the many variations of unconscious bias training that have been developed, and, Taylor says, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7265967/\">jury is still out\u003c/a> on how well it works or whether it works at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We also don't know much about dosing — how much it should take, how long we should do it to actually see a change in implicit bias,” she adds. “We do know that in some spaces, if it's not carefully thought through, it can actually do more harm than good.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some studies show white men in particular may \u003ca href=\"https://hbr.org/2016/01/diversity-policies-dont-help-women-or-minorities-and-they-make-white-men-feel-threatened\">feel shamed or threatened by diversity training\u003c/a>. They argue back or shut down, Taylor says — conversation over. With virtual reality, Taylor’s team thinks they can sidestep some of the brain’s intellectual defenses and trigger an empathy response instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"So we're not telling you, 'You're bad,'\" Taylor said. “We're saying, this is how someone else is experiencing life, and maybe if you can see it from their perspective, that may change how you engage with them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11899062\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1108px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11899062\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download.jpg\" alt=\"Behavioral Scientist Kelly Taylor, a Black woman, uses a VR headset\" width=\"1108\" height=\"856\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download.jpg 1108w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download-800x618.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download-1020x788.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/download-160x124.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1108px) 100vw, 1108px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Behavioral scientist Kelly Taylor is leading the research team at UCSF to see whether virtual reality can raise awareness of medical mistreatment and mitigate unconscious bias among doctors and nurses. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Kelly Taylor)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Can you teach empathy?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>There is scientific debate around whether empathy is something that can be taught. Some social psychologists believe it's a fixed trait, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180312085124.htm\">rooted in genetics\u003c/a>, and what we’re born with is what we have for life. But others, including Taylor and her team, believe whatever our innate capacity for empathy is, we can learn to increase it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Virtual reality, in particular, can be an effective tool for cultivating empathy, with some calling it “\u003ca href=\"https://cas.nyu.edu/content/dam/nyu-as/casEWP/documents/MS%202019.pdf#page=132\">the empathy machine\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204494\">A Stanford study\u003c/a> showed that people who lost their homes in virtual reality developed long-lasting compassion for unhoused people in real life and were more willing to sign a petition for affordable housing. More than 86% of participants in a \u003ca href=\"https://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/Fulltext/2020/12000/Cultivating_Empathy_Through_Virtual_Reality_.36.aspx\">Columbia study\u003c/a> said VR enhanced their empathy for people of color after they inhabited the experience of a Black man interacting with police and being ignored in a job interview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You can intellectually understand something, but when you evoke an emotion, it scientifically interacts with a different part of your brain. It codes in your memory in a different way. It triggers different physiologic processes,” said Dr. Madhavi Dandu, professor of medicine at UCSF and an investigator on the research team.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hearing stories in the news, seeing movies about how other people live and traveling to different states or countries all are things that allow us to connect with others, she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Seeing people differently, understanding something differently than the way we saw something in the first place is where empathy comes from,” she said. “So I think it is learnable and teachable, and more importantly, it's encode-able: It becomes a part of who we are.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other researchers caution that empathy is just one piece of what should be a comprehensive, ongoing approach to training health care providers about racism and bias.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have to change hearts and minds,” said Monique Jindal, assistant professor of clinical medicine at the University of Illinois Chicago, who believes individual bias training should be paired with education about the structural and systemic causes of racism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She equates addressing unconscious bias with quitting smoking, which often involves multiple attempts and strategies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Some people need knowledge, some people need to be motivated, some people need to be scared by something,” she said. “There are a lot of things that go into someone being able to change the way that they are and the way that they've operated throughout the world their whole life.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Can building empathy lead to change in the doctor's office?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>UCSF researchers acknowledge that their VR simulation is only a starting point. The study is in its early phases and still needs to be refined and fully tested before it can be scaled and, ultimately, given away for free to whatever institutions wish to use it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For now, they want to see whether it sparks an empathy response, and whether that might lead to even small changes in how doctors interact with their patients.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s what happened for one of the first white doctors who tried it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Mike Reid placed the VR headset over his head and became Monique Williams, his breathing quickened almost immediately.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m in the body of a Black woman. I've got boobs and I feel different as I look at myself in the mirror,” said Reid, an infectious disease doctor at UCSF and co-principal investigator on the study, along with Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After 20 minutes in the virtual clinic, being ignored by the receptionist and failing to get the doctor to take his pain seriously, he’s visibly flustered. He looks like he just ran to catch a bus, but still missed it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Viscerally, it was very uncomfortable,” he said. “I felt uncomfortable about the lack of eye contact and what felt like contempt or dismissiveness. I could feel my blood pressure rising.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11899067\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11899067\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut.jpg\" alt=\"Woman of color watches as white man uses VR headset in medical office\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/12/RS52848_019_SanFrancisco_UCSFVirtualReality_12102021-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nova Wilson, program coordinator for the UCSF Institute for Global Health Sciences, instructs Dr. Mike Reid on using virtual reality equipment at UCSF offices in San Francisco on Dec. 10, 2021. The VR program is intended to teach doctors to have more empathy for their patients of color. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Right away, Reid starts reflecting on how he’s made his patients of color feel this way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I'm embarrassed to say that I think these kinds of things happen all the time,” he said. “I keep people waiting. I'm not fully attentive to their needs because I'm distracted by a million other things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The VR simulation includes what researchers call a “repair vignette,” where Monique goes back to the clinic and this time is treated with respect and kindness. The doctor asks her if she prefers to be called 'Monique' or 'Ms. Williams.' She sits down across from her at eye level. She listens and collaborates with her on finding an immediate solution to her pain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reid says these are changes he can make to his practice right away. Before this, seeing a patient was all about his own time and all the things he had to do. Now, he’s thinking about his patients of color and how precious their time is. He believes these adjustments will save time overall, for him and his patients.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If they feel respected and validated, you are more likely to be a confidante and trusted provider to them,” he said, “and the engagement is more likely to be productive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it’s a long road from building trust and rapport to having a definitive impact on a person’s health, let alone reversing the statistics on racial disparities in disease outcomes and death. A large, long-term study is needed to see whether there’s a causal relationship there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So essentially, does our VR reduce health disparities? It’s a huge question,” Kelly Taylor said. “We'd love to be able to say, 10, five years even from now, that yes, it does.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, if doctors say they’re going to do their work differently because of VR, even on a small scale, Taylor says, “We’d be satisfied with that outcome for now.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11898973/can-virtual-reality-help-combat-racial-bias-in-health-care","authors":["3205"],"categories":["news_457","news_8","news_356","news_248"],"tags":["news_2114","news_30379","news_683","news_20109","news_30380","news_29981","news_19960","news_25944","news_922","news_28179","news_6813"],"featImg":"news_11898974","label":"news"},"news_11898018":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11898018","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11898018","score":null,"sort":[1638581831000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"omicron-coronavirus-variant-this-week-in-politics","title":"Omicron Coronavirus Variant | This Week in Politics","publishDate":1638581831,"format":"video","headTitle":"KQED Newsroom | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":7052,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cb>Omicron Coronavirus Variant Reaches California\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">With the appearance of the first U.S. case of the omicron coronavirus variant in San Francisco this week, public health officials are urging people to get booster vaccinations and wear masks indoors. 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