One of the most regrettable developments of digital networks, according to Lanier: the collection of user data as a major industry.

The problem with exchanging free Internet services for users' data is that "it makes every different kind of company, no matter what they do, compete for the same batch of customers who are the so-called advertisers," said Lanier. "We end up forcing ourselves into this zero-sum game in this narrow world that's of our own invention and serves no purpose."

One solution that Lanier proposes: companies paying individuals for the content they share. Lanier says that would spread wealth beyond a few "elites" and help bolster the middle class.

"It undoes the financial incentive of just controlling the data because the people who made it would get a piece of the pie," said Lanier.

Plus, money could be invested into a greater variety of technology, and companies "would actually have to provide value to earn money," said Lanier.

Despite his misgivings, Lanier said, "The good stuff we claim for networking and for cloud computing is very real. It’s very necessary stuff. There was no way we were going to this perfect the first time."

You can listen to Lanier's full comments on everything from self-driving cars to why he's an optimist — and his infectious giggle — here:

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