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Should you push back in a crush of people? Those are some of the questions you might be asking yourself after recent tragedies in Indonesia, where \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/10/04/1126721839/indonesia-soccer-stadium-stampede-gates-small\">more than 130 people died near the gates at a soccer stadium \u003c/a> earlier this month, and \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/10/29/1132615973/seoul-crowd-surge-halloween\">in South Korea, where over 100 people died while celebrating Halloween\u003c/a> in a narrow city street on Saturday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Jump straight to: \u003ca href=\"#crowdtips\">8 tips to follow if you're trapped in a crushing crowd\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>The crowd surges put a spotlight on \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/11/08/1053548075/live-nation-a-company-behind-astroworld-has-a-long-history-of-safety-violations\">how organizers and emergency staff handled the event\u003c/a>. 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But I think that was mostly because I didn't know how the crowd works and what the behavioral mechanisms are. Now that I know how it functions, I feel kind of comfortable. So yeah, I'm not afraid anymore.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Moussaïd, who wrote a book called \u003ca href=\"https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58744458-fouloscopie\">\u003cem>Fouloscopie: Ce que la foule dit de nous\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, or\u003cem> Crowd study: What crowds say about us\u003c/em>, compiled his tips for \u003ca href=\"https://theconversation.com/ten-tips-for-surviving-a-crowd-crush-112169\">a widely cited article in The Conversation\u003c/a>. In an interview with NPR, he expands on his advice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited and condensed.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"crowdtips\">\u003c/a>Interview highlights\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Keep your eyes open for danger signs\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once you're in a crowd and you start feeling the pressure, I'm afraid it's almost already too late to act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The best thing you can do is to try not to put yourself in this critical situation. The thing is, most people don't realize that it's dangerous. We don't have this culture of being aware of the dangers of the crowd. And yes, indeed, it's dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The most important advice is to be aware there could be a danger if the crowd is too dense around you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Leave as soon as you sense the crowd getting too dense\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you start feeling uncomfortable, but you still have time and some freedom of movement — then just go away. It's something that people don't have in mind. They're like, \"Oh, I don't feel good, but the concert is nice, so I'm going to just keep pushing and go toward the concert.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, don't do that. If you feel bad, it means that really it's dangerous. Just move away and keep yourself safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Stay standing, and don't put a backpack on the ground\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staying on your feet is important because if you fall, it's going to be really difficult to stand up again, precisely because there are too many people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It also helps others because if you fall, you're going to be an obstacle for your neighbors who are most likely going to fall in turn — possibly on your body — and this will create a chain reaction, a snowball effect. You don't want to be under this big pack of people. That's absolutely dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Obstacles are terrible. It could be a body in this worst-case scenario, but even just a backpack left on the ground would be an obstacle that increases the risk that somebody would fall on it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lack of oxygen is the killer in crowds, so preserve space around your chest\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People often ask me, \"Why do we die in a crowd? What's the cause of death?\" Well, the cause is not enough oxygen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You're so densely packed that your lungs don't have enough space to do their job, and to keep you breathing. That's one thing that is superuseful that people should be aware of: The problem is going to be breathing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you can maintain sufficient space for you to breathe, you're going to be OK. Put your arms out just in front of your chest and hold them there. In this position, you would have some space, just a little bit, to push for half a centimeter or just 1 centimeter — enough for you to keep breathing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's not going to be comfortable. You're going to be feeling really bad, but at least you'll survive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Don't push. Move with the crowd\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a crowd, everything is about chain reactions. When you push your neighbors, they're going to push their own neighbors and it eventually hits an obstacle. Then the pushing is amplified — and it's going to come back to you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you feel a push, don't push back. Don't amplify this wave. Just go with the flow. It's not going to be comfortable, you're not going to like it, but it's the best way to behave in this situation. Don't add pressure in the system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the worst moments, you have multiple pushing waves at once. This is what we call crowd turbulence. You don't want to be where two waves cross, because the pressures come from opposite directions, and that's really dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When we observe crowd turbulence, we see death, a tragedy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Avoid walls and solid objects\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When we look at where the injuries and fatalities happen in a tragedy, most of the time they happen along solid obstacles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That makes sense, because if you go with the flow of pushing waves, you're fine. But if you're next to a wall, you cannot just go along, because the wall is preventing you. So the wave is going to crush you against the wall. That's where you don't want to be — so avoid obstacles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Learn to detect crowd density\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Density is really the critical variable, that's the first thing we measure. It's expressed as the number of people per square meter, and there are some thresholds:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Below five people per square meter [about 10.7 square feet], it's fine. Maybe not comfortable, but it's fine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Above six persons per square meter, it starts becoming dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eight people per square meter: Most of the time there are injuries or worse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's superuseful to have a sense of that density, but it's not intuitive. Here's a tip: If you feel that people are touching you on both shoulders or on several places on your body at the same time, the density is probably around six or above. If you still have time and can move, get away. That's an alarm signal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>If a crowd gets unsafe, look out for others\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Helping behaviors and altruistic behaviors are kind of contagious in crowds. The same applies to individualistic or selfish behaviors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you try to help your neighbors, they're going to help you, or they're going to help their own neighbors. If this spreads, it creates a positive, helping atmosphere. It's going to make things less bad. So definitely, helping behavior is something you should adopt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=8+tips+to+follow+if+you%27re+trapped+in+a+crushing+crowd&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"An expert on crowd dynamics shares his advice on how to survive a crush of people. 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Should you push back in a crush of people? Those are some of the questions you might be asking yourself after recent tragedies in Indonesia, where \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/10/04/1126721839/indonesia-soccer-stadium-stampede-gates-small\">more than 130 people died near the gates at a soccer stadium \u003c/a> earlier this month, and \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/10/29/1132615973/seoul-crowd-surge-halloween\">in South Korea, where over 100 people died while celebrating Halloween\u003c/a> in a narrow city street on Saturday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Jump straight to: \u003ca href=\"#crowdtips\">8 tips to follow if you're trapped in a crushing crowd\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>The crowd surges put a spotlight on \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/11/08/1053548075/live-nation-a-company-behind-astroworld-has-a-long-history-of-safety-violations\">how organizers and emergency staff handled the event\u003c/a>. But it also raises direct and personal questions about what we should do to avoid an unsafe crowd — and how you can help yourself and others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Most of the time what we do is we give advice to organizers\" about managing crowds, says \u003ca href=\"http://www.mehdimoussaid.com/en/\">Mehdi Moussaïd, a research scientist in Berlin who studies crowd behavior\u003c/a>. \"But actually, we don't give so often advice to the people that are in there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Looking to help the average person, Moussaïd, who works at the Max Planck Institute for Human Development, came up with \"tips to survive\" a dangerous crowd situation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We should note that while Moussaïd has studied a number of cases where crowds became deadly, he's not afraid to be in a crowded environment, like at a concert.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I actually like it,\" he says. \"I used to be afraid of crowds, before I was a scientist in this domain. But I think that was mostly because I didn't know how the crowd works and what the behavioral mechanisms are. Now that I know how it functions, I feel kind of comfortable. So yeah, I'm not afraid anymore.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Moussaïd, who wrote a book called \u003ca href=\"https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58744458-fouloscopie\">\u003cem>Fouloscopie: Ce que la foule dit de nous\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, or\u003cem> Crowd study: What crowds say about us\u003c/em>, compiled his tips for \u003ca href=\"https://theconversation.com/ten-tips-for-surviving-a-crowd-crush-112169\">a widely cited article in The Conversation\u003c/a>. In an interview with NPR, he expands on his advice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited and condensed.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"crowdtips\">\u003c/a>Interview highlights\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Keep your eyes open for danger signs\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once you're in a crowd and you start feeling the pressure, I'm afraid it's almost already too late to act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The best thing you can do is to try not to put yourself in this critical situation. The thing is, most people don't realize that it's dangerous. We don't have this culture of being aware of the dangers of the crowd. And yes, indeed, it's dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The most important advice is to be aware there could be a danger if the crowd is too dense around you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Leave as soon as you sense the crowd getting too dense\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you start feeling uncomfortable, but you still have time and some freedom of movement — then just go away. It's something that people don't have in mind. They're like, \"Oh, I don't feel good, but the concert is nice, so I'm going to just keep pushing and go toward the concert.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, don't do that. If you feel bad, it means that really it's dangerous. Just move away and keep yourself safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Stay standing, and don't put a backpack on the ground\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staying on your feet is important because if you fall, it's going to be really difficult to stand up again, precisely because there are too many people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It also helps others because if you fall, you're going to be an obstacle for your neighbors who are most likely going to fall in turn — possibly on your body — and this will create a chain reaction, a snowball effect. You don't want to be under this big pack of people. That's absolutely dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Obstacles are terrible. It could be a body in this worst-case scenario, but even just a backpack left on the ground would be an obstacle that increases the risk that somebody would fall on it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lack of oxygen is the killer in crowds, so preserve space around your chest\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People often ask me, \"Why do we die in a crowd? What's the cause of death?\" Well, the cause is not enough oxygen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You're so densely packed that your lungs don't have enough space to do their job, and to keep you breathing. That's one thing that is superuseful that people should be aware of: The problem is going to be breathing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you can maintain sufficient space for you to breathe, you're going to be OK. Put your arms out just in front of your chest and hold them there. In this position, you would have some space, just a little bit, to push for half a centimeter or just 1 centimeter — enough for you to keep breathing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's not going to be comfortable. You're going to be feeling really bad, but at least you'll survive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Don't push. Move with the crowd\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a crowd, everything is about chain reactions. When you push your neighbors, they're going to push their own neighbors and it eventually hits an obstacle. Then the pushing is amplified — and it's going to come back to you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you feel a push, don't push back. Don't amplify this wave. Just go with the flow. It's not going to be comfortable, you're not going to like it, but it's the best way to behave in this situation. Don't add pressure in the system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the worst moments, you have multiple pushing waves at once. This is what we call crowd turbulence. You don't want to be where two waves cross, because the pressures come from opposite directions, and that's really dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When we observe crowd turbulence, we see death, a tragedy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Avoid walls and solid objects\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When we look at where the injuries and fatalities happen in a tragedy, most of the time they happen along solid obstacles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That makes sense, because if you go with the flow of pushing waves, you're fine. But if you're next to a wall, you cannot just go along, because the wall is preventing you. So the wave is going to crush you against the wall. That's where you don't want to be — so avoid obstacles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Learn to detect crowd density\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Density is really the critical variable, that's the first thing we measure. It's expressed as the number of people per square meter, and there are some thresholds:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Below five people per square meter [about 10.7 square feet], it's fine. Maybe not comfortable, but it's fine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Above six persons per square meter, it starts becoming dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eight people per square meter: Most of the time there are injuries or worse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's superuseful to have a sense of that density, but it's not intuitive. Here's a tip: If you feel that people are touching you on both shoulders or on several places on your body at the same time, the density is probably around six or above. If you still have time and can move, get away. That's an alarm signal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>If a crowd gets unsafe, look out for others\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Helping behaviors and altruistic behaviors are kind of contagious in crowds. The same applies to individualistic or selfish behaviors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you try to help your neighbors, they're going to help you, or they're going to help their own neighbors. If this spreads, it creates a positive, helping atmosphere. It's going to make things less bad. So definitely, helping behavior is something you should adopt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=8+tips+to+follow+if+you%27re+trapped+in+a+crushing+crowd&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11930646/8-tips-to-follow-if-youre-trapped-in-a-crushing-crowd","authors":["byline_news_11930646"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_26825","news_31932","news_6148"],"affiliates":["news_253"],"featImg":"news_11930647","label":"news_253"},"news_11793182":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11793182","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11793182","score":null,"sort":[1577570019000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"feeling-like-we-belong-u-s-adoptees-return-to-south-korea-to-trace-their-roots","title":"'Feeling Like We Belong': U.S. Adoptees Return to South Korea to Trace Their Roots","publishDate":1577570019,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>In September, Seattle resident Barbara Kim celebrated Chuseok — the Korean midautumn festival — with her family members in Seoul. Chuseok is a time to give thanks for plentiful harvests, and for Kim, who was adopted by an American family in the 1960s, this was a particularly special occasion: She was able to spend the holiday with several of her birth relatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the celebration they, and a group of South Korean orphans now in their teens and 20s, dug into platters of bulgogi, kimbap, japche and other traditional Korean dishes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim was among the first wave of a 200,000-strong exodus of adoptees, as South Korea became the world's first source of international adoptions. She was born in 1955, two years after the Korean War cease-fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent decades, adoptees like Kim have been returning to South Korea to find out more about where they come from, build ties with their birth families and connect with others with similar experiences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After being separated from her three siblings for about half a century, Kim managed to track all of them down and reunite with them. She says they have overcome an initial sense of awkwardness in knowing one another and feel proud to be part of the same family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We have a lot in common, even though we grew up so far apart,\" she said. \"I feel like there's this sense of feeling like we belong.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Abandoned, then adopted\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Now 64, Kim was the eldest child born to impoverished parents at a time when South Korea was recovering from the conflict that killed millions and left about 100,000 children orphaned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After giving birth, Kim's mother abandoned her in the hospital. Korean society traditionally \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5272884/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">prefers\u003c/a> boys over girls, and Kim was born with \u003ca href=\"https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hip-dysplasia/symptoms-causes/syc-20350209\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">hip dysplasia.\u003c/a> Kim's grandmother raised her until she was about 8. Her parents wanted nothing to do with her, and eventually, she was sent to an orphanage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside tag='identity' label='Related Coverage.']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The orphanage was run by \u003ca href=\"https://www.holtinternational.org/historybg.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Harry Holt\u003c/a>, the American evangelical Christian who, with his wife Bertha, founded an international adoption agency that matched thousands of Korean orphans with parents in the U.S. in the 1950s and 1960s. A family of dairy farmers in Nebraska adopted Kim, but when they fell on hard times, she says, they vented their anger by abusing her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"And I remember one time thinking: 'Dear God, wasn't it bad enough I had a first mother that was so horrible? Did you have to bring me to a second mother that was like this?' \" Kim recalls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim later went into the U.S. foster care system. Studying became her refuge. She earned a bachelor's degree, then a master's degree and, after that, worked for the very adoption agency that sent her to the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\"For the first time, we're developing this relationship\"\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Despite the difficulties she faced growing up, Kim says she feels grateful for the opportunities that adoption by a U.S. family brought her — particularly when she considers the stigma and other challenges disabled people often contend with in South Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others are still wrestling with their experience of adoption. Denver-based filmmaker Glenn Morey, who was adopted by an American family after he was abandoned as an infant in Seoul, interviewed 100 Korean orphans raised in the U.S. for \u003cem>Side by Side, \u003c/em>a \u003ca href=\"http://sidebysideproject.com/about\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">film project with his wife Julie Morey\u003cem>.\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the diversity of adoptees' experiences, certain threads connect their stories, he says. Chief among these is \"a sense of loss, sadness and perhaps even trauma related to thinking about it, or remembering in some cases their time in Korea and how their lives got started.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One woman, born in 1979, told Morey: \"I feel like I was sold. I feel like I don't know who I am. I don't even know if my name is real or my birthdate is real.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another said, \"I never felt I was actually Asian until later on in life.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Kim first became acquainted with her siblings in South Korea in the 1970s, she didn't speak Korean and they didn't speak English. They found one another after one of her sisters happened to read a Korean magazine piece in which Kim had written about her life story. Through the magazine publisher, who contacted Kim's father, Kim, her sister and a brother were able to meet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After that, there were decades of little or no contact, and they only started to build their relationship in earnest over the past year, when Kim decided to spend more time in Seoul.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I decided that I wanted to stay here to learn the language so I can get to know my family,\" Kim explains, \"and for the first time, we're developing this relationship.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She and her sister and brother found another sister who had been placed in an orphanage. Nobody had adopted her, and she had gone to work in a factory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Kim and her siblings visited her in 1978, \"They all cried to see me because maybe they thought I was not doing so well,\" the sister recalled at the Chuseok gathering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She asked that NPR not use her name because of the stigma of being an orphan in South Korea. \"But I just didn't feel anything, because I had lived my whole life thinking that I was alone. I didn't have anybody. So I just felt blank, empty.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\"Children who were not fully Korean would never be accepted\"\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Unlike Kim, many of South Korea's early adoptees were biracial children whose fathers were American GIs fighting in the Korean War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a country that valued homogeneity, \"adoption initially was thought of as like the 'solution' to mixed-race children,\" says \u003ca href=\"https://faculty.sites.uci.edu/eleanakim/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Eleana Kim\u003c/a>, an anthropologist at the University of California, Irvine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its early years, the South Korean government crafted a narrative of a racially homogeneous nation, she says, \"the idea being that children who were not fully Korean would never be accepted in South Korean society. And the South Korean government realized that there was an interest among Americans to adopt these children.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size='medium' align='right']'I just didn't feel anything, because I had lived my whole life thinking that I was alone. I didn't have anybody. So I just felt blank, empty.'[/pullquote]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1965, Son Jeong-seon, then vice minister of welfare and society, \u003ca href=\"http://law.nanet.go.kr/lawservice/knowledgemanagement/knowledgemanagementView.do?searchCon=total&searchKey=&searchValue01=&searchValue02=&searchValue03=&code01=2&code02=MA&number01_str=6&number01_end=6&number02_str=48&number02_end=48&searchFromDate=&searchToDate=&pageUnit=10&pos=7&pageNum=1&cn=PROC2014010828&sort=SessDate_SORT&dir=reversealphabetical\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">told lawmakers \u003c/a>debating South Korea's adoption law: \"One can't help but feel ashamed by the fact that [an ethnic Korean] would get together with a foreign person and give birth to a baby that doesn't belong to our homogeneous people.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Critics of South Korea's adoption system say the government also sought to \"export\" other stigmatized groups, including disabled children or those born to unmarried women, via adoption.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There were also economic factors in play, says Eleana Kim, noting that South Korea spends less on social welfare than almost any other developed economy. \"Why do people believe that it's better to remove a child from its country of origin rather than to provide money for the parents who can't afford to raise it?\" she asks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many Korean adoptees were not truly orphans, she says. They were abandoned because their parents couldn't afford to raise them, and international adoptions allowed South Korea to shift some of its welfare burden overseas. Adoption agencies charged adoptive parents hefty \u003ca href=\"https://www.holtinternational.org/adoption/fees.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">fees\u003c/a>, which at times exceeded Korea's gross domestic product per capita.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\"A law that produces orphans\"\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\"We can ask if South Korea is fulfilling the state's duty to protect children, and the answer is pretty doubtful,\" says Kyung-eun Lee, the director of Amnesty International Korea and a former South Korean official who worked on adoption policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lee says that according to international law, children must not be separated from their parents unless a court rules it's in the kids' interest. But South Korea, she said, leaves it to parents and adoption agencies to make the decisions, which South Korean courts simply rubber-stamp.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She argues that South Korea's government has allowed parents and adoption agencies to erase children's identities in order to make them more adoptable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were made orphans,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2013, South Korea's adoption law was revised, requiring all international adoptees to have family registration showing whom the birth parents are. This appears to have reduced abuses of the system, says Lee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sung Changhyun, an official with South Korea's Ministry of Health and Welfare, told NPR via email that since the 2013 reforms, Korean courts have \"held adoption confirmation hearings with sufficient review and investigation required to approve adoptions.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sung did not respond to NPR's request for comment on allegations of birth record falsification.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the 2013 reforms were enacted, South Korea's number of international adoptions has declined. There were 755 in 2012 and 303 last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sung said the government will initiate additional reforms that \"will further strengthen public responsibility over the entire adoption procedure and establish adoption system that prioritizes children's interests.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While reforms have stopped the falsification of documents, Lee believes the government still fails to do an adequate job of protecting children's rights throughout the adoption process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The [adoption] law, even after many amendments, to this day is basically still a law that produces orphans,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Feeling+Like+We+Belong%27%3A+U.S.+Adoptees+Return+To+South+Korea+To+Trace+Their+Roots&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"South Korea was once the largest source of children for international adoptions. Now some adoptees are building ties with birth family members. Critics say South Korean adoption laws need improvement.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1577570019,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":44,"wordCount":1592},"headData":{"title":"'Feeling Like We Belong': U.S. Adoptees Return to South Korea to Trace Their Roots | KQED","description":"South Korea was once the largest source of children for international adoptions. Now some adoptees are building ties with birth family members. 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Chuseok is a time to give thanks for plentiful harvests, and for Kim, who was adopted by an American family in the 1960s, this was a particularly special occasion: She was able to spend the holiday with several of her birth relatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the celebration they, and a group of South Korean orphans now in their teens and 20s, dug into platters of bulgogi, kimbap, japche and other traditional Korean dishes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim was among the first wave of a 200,000-strong exodus of adoptees, as South Korea became the world's first source of international adoptions. She was born in 1955, two years after the Korean War cease-fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent decades, adoptees like Kim have been returning to South Korea to find out more about where they come from, build ties with their birth families and connect with others with similar experiences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After being separated from her three siblings for about half a century, Kim managed to track all of them down and reunite with them. She says they have overcome an initial sense of awkwardness in knowing one another and feel proud to be part of the same family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We have a lot in common, even though we grew up so far apart,\" she said. \"I feel like there's this sense of feeling like we belong.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Abandoned, then adopted\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Now 64, Kim was the eldest child born to impoverished parents at a time when South Korea was recovering from the conflict that killed millions and left about 100,000 children orphaned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After giving birth, Kim's mother abandoned her in the hospital. Korean society traditionally \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5272884/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">prefers\u003c/a> boys over girls, and Kim was born with \u003ca href=\"https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hip-dysplasia/symptoms-causes/syc-20350209\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">hip dysplasia.\u003c/a> Kim's grandmother raised her until she was about 8. Her parents wanted nothing to do with her, and eventually, she was sent to an orphanage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"identity","label":"Related Coverage. "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The orphanage was run by \u003ca href=\"https://www.holtinternational.org/historybg.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Harry Holt\u003c/a>, the American evangelical Christian who, with his wife Bertha, founded an international adoption agency that matched thousands of Korean orphans with parents in the U.S. in the 1950s and 1960s. A family of dairy farmers in Nebraska adopted Kim, but when they fell on hard times, she says, they vented their anger by abusing her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"And I remember one time thinking: 'Dear God, wasn't it bad enough I had a first mother that was so horrible? Did you have to bring me to a second mother that was like this?' \" Kim recalls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim later went into the U.S. foster care system. Studying became her refuge. She earned a bachelor's degree, then a master's degree and, after that, worked for the very adoption agency that sent her to the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\"For the first time, we're developing this relationship\"\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Despite the difficulties she faced growing up, Kim says she feels grateful for the opportunities that adoption by a U.S. family brought her — particularly when she considers the stigma and other challenges disabled people often contend with in South Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others are still wrestling with their experience of adoption. Denver-based filmmaker Glenn Morey, who was adopted by an American family after he was abandoned as an infant in Seoul, interviewed 100 Korean orphans raised in the U.S. for \u003cem>Side by Side, \u003c/em>a \u003ca href=\"http://sidebysideproject.com/about\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">film project with his wife Julie Morey\u003cem>.\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the diversity of adoptees' experiences, certain threads connect their stories, he says. Chief among these is \"a sense of loss, sadness and perhaps even trauma related to thinking about it, or remembering in some cases their time in Korea and how their lives got started.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One woman, born in 1979, told Morey: \"I feel like I was sold. I feel like I don't know who I am. I don't even know if my name is real or my birthdate is real.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another said, \"I never felt I was actually Asian until later on in life.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Kim first became acquainted with her siblings in South Korea in the 1970s, she didn't speak Korean and they didn't speak English. They found one another after one of her sisters happened to read a Korean magazine piece in which Kim had written about her life story. Through the magazine publisher, who contacted Kim's father, Kim, her sister and a brother were able to meet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After that, there were decades of little or no contact, and they only started to build their relationship in earnest over the past year, when Kim decided to spend more time in Seoul.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I decided that I wanted to stay here to learn the language so I can get to know my family,\" Kim explains, \"and for the first time, we're developing this relationship.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She and her sister and brother found another sister who had been placed in an orphanage. Nobody had adopted her, and she had gone to work in a factory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Kim and her siblings visited her in 1978, \"They all cried to see me because maybe they thought I was not doing so well,\" the sister recalled at the Chuseok gathering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She asked that NPR not use her name because of the stigma of being an orphan in South Korea. \"But I just didn't feel anything, because I had lived my whole life thinking that I was alone. I didn't have anybody. So I just felt blank, empty.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\"Children who were not fully Korean would never be accepted\"\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Unlike Kim, many of South Korea's early adoptees were biracial children whose fathers were American GIs fighting in the Korean War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a country that valued homogeneity, \"adoption initially was thought of as like the 'solution' to mixed-race children,\" says \u003ca href=\"https://faculty.sites.uci.edu/eleanakim/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Eleana Kim\u003c/a>, an anthropologist at the University of California, Irvine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its early years, the South Korean government crafted a narrative of a racially homogeneous nation, she says, \"the idea being that children who were not fully Korean would never be accepted in South Korean society. And the South Korean government realized that there was an interest among Americans to adopt these children.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I just didn't feel anything, because I had lived my whole life thinking that I was alone. I didn't have anybody. So I just felt blank, empty.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1965, Son Jeong-seon, then vice minister of welfare and society, \u003ca href=\"http://law.nanet.go.kr/lawservice/knowledgemanagement/knowledgemanagementView.do?searchCon=total&searchKey=&searchValue01=&searchValue02=&searchValue03=&code01=2&code02=MA&number01_str=6&number01_end=6&number02_str=48&number02_end=48&searchFromDate=&searchToDate=&pageUnit=10&pos=7&pageNum=1&cn=PROC2014010828&sort=SessDate_SORT&dir=reversealphabetical\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">told lawmakers \u003c/a>debating South Korea's adoption law: \"One can't help but feel ashamed by the fact that [an ethnic Korean] would get together with a foreign person and give birth to a baby that doesn't belong to our homogeneous people.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Critics of South Korea's adoption system say the government also sought to \"export\" other stigmatized groups, including disabled children or those born to unmarried women, via adoption.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There were also economic factors in play, says Eleana Kim, noting that South Korea spends less on social welfare than almost any other developed economy. \"Why do people believe that it's better to remove a child from its country of origin rather than to provide money for the parents who can't afford to raise it?\" she asks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many Korean adoptees were not truly orphans, she says. They were abandoned because their parents couldn't afford to raise them, and international adoptions allowed South Korea to shift some of its welfare burden overseas. Adoption agencies charged adoptive parents hefty \u003ca href=\"https://www.holtinternational.org/adoption/fees.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">fees\u003c/a>, which at times exceeded Korea's gross domestic product per capita.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\"A law that produces orphans\"\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\"We can ask if South Korea is fulfilling the state's duty to protect children, and the answer is pretty doubtful,\" says Kyung-eun Lee, the director of Amnesty International Korea and a former South Korean official who worked on adoption policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lee says that according to international law, children must not be separated from their parents unless a court rules it's in the kids' interest. But South Korea, she said, leaves it to parents and adoption agencies to make the decisions, which South Korean courts simply rubber-stamp.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She argues that South Korea's government has allowed parents and adoption agencies to erase children's identities in order to make them more adoptable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were made orphans,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2013, South Korea's adoption law was revised, requiring all international adoptees to have family registration showing whom the birth parents are. This appears to have reduced abuses of the system, says Lee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sung Changhyun, an official with South Korea's Ministry of Health and Welfare, told NPR via email that since the 2013 reforms, Korean courts have \"held adoption confirmation hearings with sufficient review and investigation required to approve adoptions.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sung did not respond to NPR's request for comment on allegations of birth record falsification.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the 2013 reforms were enacted, South Korea's number of international adoptions has declined. There were 755 in 2012 and 303 last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sung said the government will initiate additional reforms that \"will further strengthen public responsibility over the entire adoption procedure and establish adoption system that prioritizes children's interests.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While reforms have stopped the falsification of documents, Lee believes the government still fails to do an adequate job of protecting children's rights throughout the adoption process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The [adoption] law, even after many amendments, to this day is basically still a law that produces orphans,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Feeling+Like+We+Belong%27%3A+U.S.+Adoptees+Return+To+South+Korea+To+Trace+Their+Roots&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11793182/feeling-like-we-belong-u-s-adoptees-return-to-south-korea-to-trace-their-roots","authors":["byline_news_11793182"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_21690","news_18143","news_4035","news_23757","news_6148"],"featImg":"news_11793183","label":"source_news_11793182"},"news_11663924":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11663924","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11663924","score":null,"sort":[1524344402000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"trump-north-koreas-suspension-of-nuclear-tests-shows-progress","title":"Trump: North Korea's Suspension of Nuclear Tests Shows 'Progress'","publishDate":1524344402,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has announced his country no longer needs nuclear or missile tests and that it would shut down its nuclear weapons test site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The nuclear test site has done its job,\" Kim said in a statement carried by North Korea's state media. The report also said the decision was made in a bid to pursue economic growth and peace on the Korean Peninsula.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>President Trump tweeted Friday night about the announcement from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and said it was a sign, \"Progress being made for all.\" His tweet said: \"A message from Kim Jong Un: \"North Korea will stop nuclear tests and launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/987532088302886913\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NPR's Elise Hu reports for our Newscast unit that North Korea's announcement comes ahead of a major summit between Kim and South Korean President Moon Jae-in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>\"The two Korean leaders are set to meet at their shared border next Friday after months of furious diplomacy, signs of good will and reestablishing ties. Now Kim is making a show of announcing a suspension of testing, even though North Korea already stopped testing its weapons months ago. Pyongyang watchers say they'll believe North Korea is denuclearizing when they actually see it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Robert Kelly, a professor at South Korea's Pusan National University who blogs about regional security, told Elise:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're gonna have to see things actually being sawed in half or cut in half or detonated before people are gonna actually believe it. I mean, North Korea has a real credibility problem going back several decades.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In the announcement of a test freeze, Kim did not mention dismantling his nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>South Korea's presidential office welcomed North Korea's announcement as \"meaningful progress\" toward the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Associated Press reports:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>\"China's foreign ministry also reacted to the move by North Korea to halt nuclear and missile tests. A statement on its website read, \"China welcomes this.\"\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\n\"Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe expressed caution to North Korea 's announcement. While a positive development, he adds, \"What is crucial here, however, is how this development is going to lead to the complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantlement of nuclear arms, weapons of mass destruction and missiles.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2018 NPR. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Trump%3A+North+Korea%27s+Suspension+Of+Nuclear+Tests+Shows+%27Progress%27&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"North Korea announced that it will stop nuclear and missile tests and plans to close its nuclear test site. President Trump tweeted that it was a sign \"Progress being made for all!\"","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1524344503,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":14,"wordCount":402},"headData":{"title":"Trump: North Korea's Suspension of Nuclear Tests Shows 'Progress' | KQED","description":"North Korea announced that it will stop nuclear and missile tests and plans to close its nuclear test site. President Trump tweeted that it was a sign "Progress being made for all!"","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Trump: North Korea's Suspension of Nuclear Tests Shows 'Progress'","datePublished":"2018-04-21T21:00:02.000Z","dateModified":"2018-04-21T21:01:43.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11663924 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11663924","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2018/04/21/trump-north-koreas-suspension-of-nuclear-tests-shows-progress/","disqusTitle":"Trump: North Korea's Suspension of Nuclear Tests Shows 'Progress'","source":"NPR","sourceUrl":"www.npr.org","nprImageCredit":"Ahn Young-joon","nprByline":"\u003cstrong>Doreen McCallister\u003c/strong>","nprImageAgency":"AP","nprStoryId":"604544786","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=604544786&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/21/604544786/trump-north-koreas-suspension-of-nuclear-tests-shows-progress?ft=nprml&f=604544786","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Sat, 21 Apr 2018 02:39:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Sat, 21 Apr 2018 02:36:00 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Sat, 21 Apr 2018 02:39:05 -0400","path":"/news/11663924/trump-north-koreas-suspension-of-nuclear-tests-shows-progress","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has announced his country no longer needs nuclear or missile tests and that it would shut down its nuclear weapons test site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The nuclear test site has done its job,\" Kim said in a statement carried by North Korea's state media. The report also said the decision was made in a bid to pursue economic growth and peace on the Korean Peninsula.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>President Trump tweeted Friday night about the announcement from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and said it was a sign, \"Progress being made for all.\" His tweet said: \"A message from Kim Jong Un: \"North Korea will stop nuclear tests and launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"987532088302886913"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>NPR's Elise Hu reports for our Newscast unit that North Korea's announcement comes ahead of a major summit between Kim and South Korean President Moon Jae-in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>\"The two Korean leaders are set to meet at their shared border next Friday after months of furious diplomacy, signs of good will and reestablishing ties. Now Kim is making a show of announcing a suspension of testing, even though North Korea already stopped testing its weapons months ago. Pyongyang watchers say they'll believe North Korea is denuclearizing when they actually see it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Robert Kelly, a professor at South Korea's Pusan National University who blogs about regional security, told Elise:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're gonna have to see things actually being sawed in half or cut in half or detonated before people are gonna actually believe it. I mean, North Korea has a real credibility problem going back several decades.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In the announcement of a test freeze, Kim did not mention dismantling his nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>South Korea's presidential office welcomed North Korea's announcement as \"meaningful progress\" toward the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Associated Press reports:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>\"China's foreign ministry also reacted to the move by North Korea to halt nuclear and missile tests. A statement on its website read, \"China welcomes this.\"\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\n\"Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe expressed caution to North Korea 's announcement. While a positive development, he adds, \"What is crucial here, however, is how this development is going to lead to the complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantlement of nuclear arms, weapons of mass destruction and missiles.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2018 NPR. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Trump%3A+North+Korea%27s+Suspension+Of+Nuclear+Tests+Shows+%27Progress%27&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11663924/trump-north-koreas-suspension-of-nuclear-tests-shows-progress","authors":["byline_news_11663924"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_23047","news_2166","news_21079","news_20481","news_6148"],"featImg":"news_11663925","label":"source_news_11663924"},"news_11629549":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11629549","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11629549","score":null,"sort":[1510432516000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"north-korean-refugee-recalls-harrowing-journey-to-new-life-in-california","title":"North Korean Refugee Recalls Harrowing Journey to New Life in California","publishDate":1510432516,"format":"audio","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Cheol W. Ryu says he will never forget the first time he thought about defecting from North Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The country was consumed by famine, he says, and his mother had recently died of starvation. He was just 11 years old. His father left his family years prior to her death and so Charlie – as his friends call him – went to live with his aunt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was really difficult because there was not enough food for their family,” Charlie says. “So I got kicked out every night. And then I would spend the night, winter cold, outside, so I was always alone and being homeless.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He is now 23, and living in the southern California community of Rancho Palos Verdes. He has a head of thick black hair and a broad smile that fills his face. If you didn't ask him, it would be tough to tell that he has stared death in the face on multiple occasions and refused to give in.\u003cbr>\n[contextly_sidebar id=\"2CSaF13jB1d0esTBmuTSJX2xeG2A45Og\"]\u003cbr>\n“There was one day that I was working on the side of the road, and then I saw when people vomit on the street,” Charlie recalls. “And it was so hot that the vomit was dried out. And there [were] pieces of rice. And I remember picking up the pieces of rice.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charlie escaped from North Korea twice. The first time, in 2008, he went to his father’s house in nearby China, where he says his father has Chinese citizenship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But soon after, neighbors informed the local authorities, and Charlie was sent back to North Korea, where the regime put him into a labor camp.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was really hungry,” he says, recalling his time at the camp. “I couldn’t even think that I am going to escape this labor camp because I was really hungry and couldn’t run.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point, Charlie says he was so weak that the guards at the camp left him to die. But he survived.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He would later find a job at a coal mine near his hometown. It is the first time, he says, in his life that he could expect three meals a day. Despite that level of relative comfort, Charlie says he could see how his life would end up if he stayed at the mine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I saw a lot of people dying...smashed into the rocks, losing their arms, legs, accidents, everything,” he says. “And I couldn’t help thinking, 'That is going to be me one day.' That’s what [made] me escape again.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11630099\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-800x1067.jpg\" alt='In the offices of LiNK (Liberty in North Korea), Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu points at the approximate spot, on the Chinese-North Korean border, where he crossed the Yalu River to defect.' width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11630099\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-160x213.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-1180x1573.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-960x1280.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-240x320.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-375x500.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-520x693.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">In the offices of LiNK (Liberty in North Korea), Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu points at the approximate spot, on the Chinese-North Korean border, where he crossed the Yalu River to defect. \u003ccite>(Benjamin Gottlieb/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He escaped from the coal mine and made his way to the Yalu River, which runs along the Chinese‐North Korean border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are guards that are posted [there], looking for people trying to defect,” says Hannah Song, the director of \u003ca href=\"https://www.libertyinnorthkorea.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Liberty in North Korea, \u003c/a>which helps North Korean refugees escape. “They have every opportunity to shoot on sight if they see someone trying to defect across the river there.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While he was crossing the river, Charlie says he felt a bright light shine over his head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I heard screaming like, 'Hey, you! Come back here. I will shoot you,’” he recalls. “And I was terrified, but at the same time I was really like, 'I want to keep going. It doesn’t matter, I am going to keep going. If you shoot me, whatever.'”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That guard never fired his weapon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charlie made it across the Yalu and into neighboring China where he would soon begin the long journey from northern China to Thailand. In Thailand he was granted refugee status, which eventually allowed him to come to the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">\n“I heard screaming like, 'Hey, you! Come back here. I will shoot you.'”\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite>Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu, recalling his second escape from North Korea\u003c/cite>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Most North Korean defectors resettle in South Korea – an \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/world/asia/north-korea-defector-south-korea.html?_r=1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">estimated 30,000 \u003c/a>– because the language is very similar and, at least culturally, it’s an easier transition. But because of some family issues involving his father and other relatives, the government in Seoul would not accept Charlie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's when he says another refugee suggested he should try his luck with the United States, where the number of refugees trying to enter is not nearly as high.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Song says there are between 200 and 250 North Korean refugees that have resettled in the U.S. legally and another 1,000 or so that have come to the country illegally, most often by overstaying their visas. When Charlie came to the U.S. in 2012 at the age of 17, he was \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/06/refugee-youth-archbishop-mitty-teens-find-unity-on-the-soccer-field/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">settled in the Bay Area, \u003c/a>where the local chapter of \u003ca href=\"https://www.catholiccharitiesscc.org/sites/default/files/VOH_September2017.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Catholic Charities\u003c/a> set him up with a foster family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11630100\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-800x749.jpg\" alt='Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu gets teased by one of his housemates in Rancho Palos Verdes. He lives there with a group of college-aged adults that work at LiNK (Liberty in North Korea), which helps refugees escape from North Korea.' width=\"800\" height=\"749\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11630100\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-800x749.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-160x150.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-1020x955.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-1180x1105.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-960x899.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-240x225.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-375x351.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-520x487.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu gets teased by one of his housemates in Rancho Palos Verdes. He lives there with a group of college-aged adults that work at LiNK (Liberty in North Korea), which helps refugees escape from North Korea. \u003ccite>(Benjamin Gottlieb/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As remarkable as Charlie’s story is, he says there are thousands more just like him still suffering in his home country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We haven’t accepted any North Korean refugees since January,” says David Kang, Director of Korean Studies Institute at the University of Southern California. “So the numbers are very small and, now, they are vanishingly small, that come to the United States.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Trump administration \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/10/24/presidential-executive-order-resuming-united-states-refugee-admissions\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">put a hold \u003c/a>on the nation’s refugee program when it first came to power, and 11 nations are now on a list of those \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/politics/trump-lifts-refugee-suspension.html?_r=0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">being reviewed \u003c/a>even further. That list includes North Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the new executive order, refugee admissions from those nations will only be allowed on a case‐by‐case basis, and only if that person’s entry is in the U.S. national interest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It is a tough pill to swallow for Charlie, when he thinks about all of his friends that he left behind in North Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I want to see all those North Korean people,” he says. “My friends that are in North Korea, starving to death, going to military and abused, beat to death, and froze to death all those friends that I had and still going through those hardships in North Korea. I want them to be free.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Cheol W. Ryu escaped North Korea twice and traveled thousands of miles before finding a home in California. 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Ryu says he will never forget the first time he thought about defecting from North Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The country was consumed by famine, he says, and his mother had recently died of starvation. He was just 11 years old. His father left his family years prior to her death and so Charlie – as his friends call him – went to live with his aunt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was really difficult because there was not enough food for their family,” Charlie says. “So I got kicked out every night. And then I would spend the night, winter cold, outside, so I was always alone and being homeless.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He is now 23, and living in the southern California community of Rancho Palos Verdes. He has a head of thick black hair and a broad smile that fills his face. If you didn't ask him, it would be tough to tell that he has stared death in the face on multiple occasions and refused to give in.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cbr>\n“There was one day that I was working on the side of the road, and then I saw when people vomit on the street,” Charlie recalls. “And it was so hot that the vomit was dried out. And there [were] pieces of rice. And I remember picking up the pieces of rice.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charlie escaped from North Korea twice. The first time, in 2008, he went to his father’s house in nearby China, where he says his father has Chinese citizenship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But soon after, neighbors informed the local authorities, and Charlie was sent back to North Korea, where the regime put him into a labor camp.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was really hungry,” he says, recalling his time at the camp. “I couldn’t even think that I am going to escape this labor camp because I was really hungry and couldn’t run.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point, Charlie says he was so weak that the guards at the camp left him to die. But he survived.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He would later find a job at a coal mine near his hometown. It is the first time, he says, in his life that he could expect three meals a day. Despite that level of relative comfort, Charlie says he could see how his life would end up if he stayed at the mine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I saw a lot of people dying...smashed into the rocks, losing their arms, legs, accidents, everything,” he says. “And I couldn’t help thinking, 'That is going to be me one day.' That’s what [made] me escape again.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11630099\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-800x1067.jpg\" alt='In the offices of LiNK (Liberty in North Korea), Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu points at the approximate spot, on the Chinese-North Korean border, where he crossed the Yalu River to defect.' width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11630099\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-160x213.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-1180x1573.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-960x1280.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-240x320.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-375x500.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27952_83C1AB9A-7C61-4F5C-8FDE-E5344BB77CA0-qut-520x693.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">In the offices of LiNK (Liberty in North Korea), Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu points at the approximate spot, on the Chinese-North Korean border, where he crossed the Yalu River to defect. \u003ccite>(Benjamin Gottlieb/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He escaped from the coal mine and made his way to the Yalu River, which runs along the Chinese‐North Korean border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are guards that are posted [there], looking for people trying to defect,” says Hannah Song, the director of \u003ca href=\"https://www.libertyinnorthkorea.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Liberty in North Korea, \u003c/a>which helps North Korean refugees escape. “They have every opportunity to shoot on sight if they see someone trying to defect across the river there.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While he was crossing the river, Charlie says he felt a bright light shine over his head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I heard screaming like, 'Hey, you! Come back here. I will shoot you,’” he recalls. “And I was terrified, but at the same time I was really like, 'I want to keep going. It doesn’t matter, I am going to keep going. If you shoot me, whatever.'”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That guard never fired his weapon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Charlie made it across the Yalu and into neighboring China where he would soon begin the long journey from northern China to Thailand. In Thailand he was granted refugee status, which eventually allowed him to come to the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">\n“I heard screaming like, 'Hey, you! Come back here. I will shoot you.'”\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite>Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu, recalling his second escape from North Korea\u003c/cite>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Most North Korean defectors resettle in South Korea – an \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/world/asia/north-korea-defector-south-korea.html?_r=1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">estimated 30,000 \u003c/a>– because the language is very similar and, at least culturally, it’s an easier transition. But because of some family issues involving his father and other relatives, the government in Seoul would not accept Charlie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's when he says another refugee suggested he should try his luck with the United States, where the number of refugees trying to enter is not nearly as high.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Song says there are between 200 and 250 North Korean refugees that have resettled in the U.S. legally and another 1,000 or so that have come to the country illegally, most often by overstaying their visas. When Charlie came to the U.S. in 2012 at the age of 17, he was \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/06/refugee-youth-archbishop-mitty-teens-find-unity-on-the-soccer-field/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">settled in the Bay Area, \u003c/a>where the local chapter of \u003ca href=\"https://www.catholiccharitiesscc.org/sites/default/files/VOH_September2017.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Catholic Charities\u003c/a> set him up with a foster family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11630100\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-800x749.jpg\" alt='Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu gets teased by one of his housemates in Rancho Palos Verdes. He lives there with a group of college-aged adults that work at LiNK (Liberty in North Korea), which helps refugees escape from North Korea.' width=\"800\" height=\"749\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11630100\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-800x749.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-160x150.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-1020x955.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-1180x1105.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-960x899.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-240x225.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-375x351.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/11/RS27950_A3636F2B-3942-47C2-8FCB-54120B626BB3-qut-e1510432235334-520x487.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cheol \"Charlie\" Ryu gets teased by one of his housemates in Rancho Palos Verdes. He lives there with a group of college-aged adults that work at LiNK (Liberty in North Korea), which helps refugees escape from North Korea. \u003ccite>(Benjamin Gottlieb/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As remarkable as Charlie’s story is, he says there are thousands more just like him still suffering in his home country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We haven’t accepted any North Korean refugees since January,” says David Kang, Director of Korean Studies Institute at the University of Southern California. “So the numbers are very small and, now, they are vanishingly small, that come to the United States.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Trump administration \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/10/24/presidential-executive-order-resuming-united-states-refugee-admissions\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">put a hold \u003c/a>on the nation’s refugee program when it first came to power, and 11 nations are now on a list of those \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/politics/trump-lifts-refugee-suspension.html?_r=0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">being reviewed \u003c/a>even further. That list includes North Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the new executive order, refugee admissions from those nations will only be allowed on a case‐by‐case basis, and only if that person’s entry is in the U.S. national interest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It is a tough pill to swallow for Charlie, when he thinks about all of his friends that he left behind in North Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I want to see all those North Korean people,” he says. “My friends that are in North Korea, starving to death, going to military and abused, beat to death, and froze to death all those friends that I had and still going through those hardships in North Korea. I want them to be free.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11629549/north-korean-refugee-recalls-harrowing-journey-to-new-life-in-california","authors":["byline_news_11629549"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72"],"categories":["news_1169","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_21957","news_2166","news_21956","news_19006","news_6148","news_17286","news_20452"],"featImg":"news_11630098","label":"news_72"},"news_11611717":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11611717","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11611717","score":null,"sort":[1502835053000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"some-korean-americans-not-too-worried-about-rhetoric-between-trump-north-korea","title":"Some Korean-Americans Not Too Worried About Rhetoric Between Trump, North Korea","publishDate":1502835053,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>As \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/tags/126922963/north-korea\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">rhetoric flares\u003c/a> between President Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, there's understandable tension in California's Korean community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California has the \u003ca href=\"http://www.asiamattersforamerica.org/southkorea/data/koreanamericanpopulation\">largest Korean population\u003c/a> of any state in the U.S. -- and Los Angeles has the largest Korean-American population of any city in the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Yi calls L.A.'s Koreatown home. He's a board member of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.kacla.org/\">Korean American Coalition\u003c/a>, a nonprofit that helps with immigration, housing and other issues in the community. He says that while his parents are here, he still has family in South Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The conversations in our family have been more on the side of, 'Man, this is just crazy what's going on.' But there's no, at least from my parents, there’s no deep fear that one day South Korea's going to be blown up or Guam is going to be bombed,\" says Yi.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'If North Korea wanted to, they could level Seoul without a nuclear weapon. And this was for decades.'\u003ccite>John Yi\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Yi says his family is not fearful that North Korea will use nuclear weapons to bomb South Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If you think about it, all Korean males have to go into the military, so the reminder that they are in a state of war, that they have, you know, an enemy literally miles north of the capital, of Seoul, just sitting right there, I think is a reminder that they have since they're born,\" Yi says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says he believes that the threat of nuclear weapons from Kim Jong Un is simply that: a threat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If North Korea wanted to, they could level Seoul without a nuclear weapon,\" Yi says. \"And this was for decades. So if North Korea's option was to somehow militarily get rid of South Korea, they would have done it a while ago. And there was a Korean War. They tried. But I think it's clear that the nuclear weapons are linked to the North Korean regime's survival.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcr/2017/08/170814KtownValot.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/gettyimages-822715538_wide-f34c14bf9ca7fc3848f52abdc7918b05c10266bf-800x450.jpg\" Title=\"Some Korean-Americans Not Too Worried About Rhetoric Between Trump, North Korea\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Yi says in South Korea and in L.A.'s Koreatown, it seems like business as usual.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For 20-year-old Pomona College student Audrey Jang, who also has family in South Korea, the relationship between the U.S. and North Korea has reminded her of a carnival game.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You know those groundhog games, where things pop up and you, like, whack it down?\" Jang says. \"That's not the way to resolve such a big thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says she's more worried about her family overseas today, but that they're going about their lives as normal, just as they have after similar threats in the past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fellow student Rachael Lee, who spent her summer in Koreatown but studies at Georgetown University, says she wishes President Trump would not provoke North Korea. Lee's grandparents live in South Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Right now, there's just been such a disregard for everyone in that region,\" Lee says. \"Like they're not really thinking about how many lives you could lose by going to war. But he just brings it up so casually. It's not something that should be joked about at all.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the other side of Koreatown, Kyung Hee Kim, 61, has a different take. She came to the U.S. from South Korea nearly 30 years ago and still has family in both the north and south parts of the Korean Peninsula.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim is glad that President Trump is standing up to the North Korean dictator.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Nobody wants to have war. Everybody knows that. But if that's the necessary, it has to be,\" Kim says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim thinks that right now the South Korean government has been weakened by the recent impeachment of its former president. She says the U.S. has the strength necessary to step in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But first, Kim would like to see China step up and cut off oil and other supplies to North Korea, forcing the country to come to the table to negotiate diplomatically. She wonders if Trump standing up to North Korea will ultimately lead to the reunion of the north and south, so she can finally meet her family in North Korea for the first time.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"'If North Korea wanted to, they could level Seoul without a nuclear weapon,' said Korean American Coalition board member John Yi. 'And this was for decades.'","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1502839359,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":21,"wordCount":755},"headData":{"title":"Some Korean-Americans Not Too Worried About Rhetoric Between Trump, North Korea | KQED","description":"'If North Korea wanted to, they could level Seoul without a nuclear weapon,' said Korean American Coalition board member John Yi. 'And this was for decades.'","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Some Korean-Americans Not Too Worried About Rhetoric Between Trump, North Korea","datePublished":"2017-08-15T22:10:53.000Z","dateModified":"2017-08-15T23:22:39.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11611717 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11611717","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/08/15/some-korean-americans-not-too-worried-about-rhetoric-between-trump-north-korea/","disqusTitle":"Some Korean-Americans Not Too Worried About Rhetoric Between Trump, North Korea","audioUrl":"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcr/2017/08/170814KtownValot.mp3","guestFields":"0","nprByline":"Susan Valot ","path":"/news/11611717/some-korean-americans-not-too-worried-about-rhetoric-between-trump-north-korea","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>As \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/tags/126922963/north-korea\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">rhetoric flares\u003c/a> between President Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, there's understandable tension in California's Korean community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California has the \u003ca href=\"http://www.asiamattersforamerica.org/southkorea/data/koreanamericanpopulation\">largest Korean population\u003c/a> of any state in the U.S. -- and Los Angeles has the largest Korean-American population of any city in the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Yi calls L.A.'s Koreatown home. He's a board member of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.kacla.org/\">Korean American Coalition\u003c/a>, a nonprofit that helps with immigration, housing and other issues in the community. He says that while his parents are here, he still has family in South Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The conversations in our family have been more on the side of, 'Man, this is just crazy what's going on.' But there's no, at least from my parents, there’s no deep fear that one day South Korea's going to be blown up or Guam is going to be bombed,\" says Yi.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'If North Korea wanted to, they could level Seoul without a nuclear weapon. And this was for decades.'\u003ccite>John Yi\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Yi says his family is not fearful that North Korea will use nuclear weapons to bomb South Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If you think about it, all Korean males have to go into the military, so the reminder that they are in a state of war, that they have, you know, an enemy literally miles north of the capital, of Seoul, just sitting right there, I think is a reminder that they have since they're born,\" Yi says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says he believes that the threat of nuclear weapons from Kim Jong Un is simply that: a threat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If North Korea wanted to, they could level Seoul without a nuclear weapon,\" Yi says. \"And this was for decades. So if North Korea's option was to somehow militarily get rid of South Korea, they would have done it a while ago. And there was a Korean War. They tried. But I think it's clear that the nuclear weapons are linked to the North Korean regime's survival.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"src":"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcr/2017/08/170814KtownValot.mp3","image":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/gettyimages-822715538_wide-f34c14bf9ca7fc3848f52abdc7918b05c10266bf-800x450.jpg","title":"Some Korean-Americans Not Too Worried About Rhetoric Between Trump, North Korea","program":"The California Report","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Yi says in South Korea and in L.A.'s Koreatown, it seems like business as usual.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For 20-year-old Pomona College student Audrey Jang, who also has family in South Korea, the relationship between the U.S. and North Korea has reminded her of a carnival game.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You know those groundhog games, where things pop up and you, like, whack it down?\" Jang says. \"That's not the way to resolve such a big thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says she's more worried about her family overseas today, but that they're going about their lives as normal, just as they have after similar threats in the past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fellow student Rachael Lee, who spent her summer in Koreatown but studies at Georgetown University, says she wishes President Trump would not provoke North Korea. Lee's grandparents live in South Korea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Right now, there's just been such a disregard for everyone in that region,\" Lee says. \"Like they're not really thinking about how many lives you could lose by going to war. But he just brings it up so casually. It's not something that should be joked about at all.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the other side of Koreatown, Kyung Hee Kim, 61, has a different take. She came to the U.S. from South Korea nearly 30 years ago and still has family in both the north and south parts of the Korean Peninsula.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim is glad that President Trump is standing up to the North Korean dictator.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Nobody wants to have war. Everybody knows that. But if that's the necessary, it has to be,\" Kim says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim thinks that right now the South Korean government has been weakened by the recent impeachment of its former president. She says the U.S. has the strength necessary to step in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But first, Kim would like to see China step up and cut off oil and other supplies to North Korea, forcing the country to come to the table to negotiate diplomatically. She wonders if Trump standing up to North Korea will ultimately lead to the reunion of the north and south, so she can finally meet her family in North Korea for the first time.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11611717/some-korean-americans-not-too-worried-about-rhetoric-between-trump-north-korea","authors":["byline_news_11611717"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_1323","news_21454","news_2168","news_2166","news_6148","news_17286"],"featImg":"news_11611952","label":"news_72"},"news_133064":{"type":"posts","id":"news_133064","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"133064","score":null,"sort":[1397834604000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bay-area-grieves-for-capsized-south-korean-ferry","title":"Bay Area Grieves for Capsized South Korean Ferry Victims","publishDate":1397834604,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cstrong>By Mina Kim, Lisa Pickoff-White and The Associated Press\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_133066\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/04/485383705.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-133066\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/04/485383705-640x416.jpg\" alt=\"South Korean relatives wait for missing passengers of a capsized ferry at a harbor in Jindo on April 18, 2014 as South Korean rescue teams, including elite navy SEAL divers, raced to find up to 293 people missing, mostly high school students bound for a holiday island. (Jung Yeon-Je/AFP/Getty Images)\" width=\"640\" height=\"416\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">South Korean relatives wait for missing passengers of a capsized ferry at a harbor in Jindo on April 18, 2014, as South Korean rescue teams, including elite Navy SEAL divers, raced to find up to 270 people missing. (Jung Yeon-Je/AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, Friday 1:30 p.m.:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The captain of a South Korean ferry that capsized and sank earlier this week has been arrested, according to the BBC and several other news outlets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp id=\"story_continues_1\">South Korea's Yonhap news agency reports Lee Joon-seok has been jailed on charges that include negligence of duty and violation of maritime law. Two other crew members have also been arrested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Original post:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shock and sadness are turning to anger in the Bay Area's Korean-American community as details emerge about the ferry that sank off the coast of South Korea on April 16. Most of the passengers aboard the ship were students from Danwon High School in the city of Ansan, about an hour south of Seoul. They were on their way to the resort island of Jeju for a field trip when disaster struck.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nam Hong, an editor with the \u003ca href=\"http://sf.koreatimes.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Korea Times\u003c/a> in Oakland, said community members are outraged by the reports that passengers were ordered to stay put as the ferry sank.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They don't understand how these kind of things can happen,\" he said. \"It didn't sink right away, for two hours, so if they reacted fast then everybody could have gotten out.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The confirmed death toll from the sinking of the Sewol was 29 as of Friday. But the number was expected to rise with about 270 people missing, most of whom were students. Officials said there were 174 survivors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>East Bay resident So Young Kim told the Korea Times that she was shocked by reports that the boat’s captain may have been among the first to be rescued. “He should have stayed in the ship saving people,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A crewman told The Associated Press that there was chaos and confusion as the captain first tried to stabilize the vessel before ordering its evacuation. About 30 minutes after passengers were told to stay in place, the captain finally gave the order to evacuate, he said, adding that he wasn't sure, in the confusion and chaos on the bridge of the sinking ferry, that the order was relayed to the passengers. Several survivors also told AP that they never heard any evacuation order.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By then, it was impossible for crew members to move to passengers' rooms to help them because the ship was tilted at an impossibly acute angle, the crewman said. The delay in evacuation also likely prevented lifeboats from being deployed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are praying for the victims and their family, and missing people, waiting silently for a miracle,\" said the Rev. Hyok In Kwon of Berkeley Korean United Methodist Church.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Divers are working in shifts to try to get into the sunken vessel, but strong currents would not allow them to enter, said Coast Guard spokesman Kim Jae-in. The divers planned to pump oxygen into the ship to help any survivors, but first they had to get inside, he added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The water temperature in the area was about 54 degrees Fahrenheit, cold enough to cause signs of hypothermia after about 90 minutes of exposure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I hope the Korean government will put more effort into saving students,\" said Joanne Lee, a senior at Monte Vista High School in Cupertino, to the Korea Times.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AP also reported that police said a high school vice principal who'd been rescued from the ferry was found hanging Friday from a pine tree on Jindo, an island near the sunken ship where survivors have been housed. 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Two other crew members have also been arrested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Original post:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shock and sadness are turning to anger in the Bay Area's Korean-American community as details emerge about the ferry that sank off the coast of South Korea on April 16. Most of the passengers aboard the ship were students from Danwon High School in the city of Ansan, about an hour south of Seoul. They were on their way to the resort island of Jeju for a field trip when disaster struck.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nam Hong, an editor with the \u003ca href=\"http://sf.koreatimes.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Korea Times\u003c/a> in Oakland, said community members are outraged by the reports that passengers were ordered to stay put as the ferry sank.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They don't understand how these kind of things can happen,\" he said. \"It didn't sink right away, for two hours, so if they reacted fast then everybody could have gotten out.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The confirmed death toll from the sinking of the Sewol was 29 as of Friday. But the number was expected to rise with about 270 people missing, most of whom were students. Officials said there were 174 survivors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>East Bay resident So Young Kim told the Korea Times that she was shocked by reports that the boat’s captain may have been among the first to be rescued. “He should have stayed in the ship saving people,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A crewman told The Associated Press that there was chaos and confusion as the captain first tried to stabilize the vessel before ordering its evacuation. About 30 minutes after passengers were told to stay in place, the captain finally gave the order to evacuate, he said, adding that he wasn't sure, in the confusion and chaos on the bridge of the sinking ferry, that the order was relayed to the passengers. Several survivors also told AP that they never heard any evacuation order.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By then, it was impossible for crew members to move to passengers' rooms to help them because the ship was tilted at an impossibly acute angle, the crewman said. 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