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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Hey, it’s Ericka. Quick little note. The bay is looking for an intern. This is a 16 hour a week paid opportunity to help us make this show. The internship runs from January through June of 2024. So if you’ve got love for local news, the Bay Area and podcasting. Let’s chat. The deadline to apply is November 17th. We’ll leave you a link to the application in our show notes. All right. Here’s the show. I’m Ericka Cruz GuevarRa and welcome to the bay. Local news to keep you rooted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Back in August, a group of people gathered inside a local church, a little south of Willow Glen in San Jose. They opened the meeting with a prayer. But this wasn’t a church meeting. It was a gathering hosted by the Silicon Valley Association of Republican Women about what’s getting taught in public schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>*audio from meeting*\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The prayer was part of a call to bring like minded conservatives together and prepare them for public office in particular, to try and encourage more conservatives to get into the management and oversight of public schools in the South Bay. By running for school board.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, the conservative groups in the South Bay who want to take control of public schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>What really fascinated me about the meeting was it kind of gave a peek behind the curtain of how these groups are talking, you know, behind closed doors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Guy Marzorati is a political correspondent for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>So at the meeting, you had Silicon Valley Association of Republican Women, some of the successful conservative school board candidates in the South Bay. And then this leader of a local group that’s called Informed Parents of Silicon Valley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Yeah, tell me about them. I know they were there. Who was there representing that group and what was he talking about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Right. So you had Larry Pegram, who’s the head of informed Parents of Silicon Valley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>We are here to restore parental rights, to regain parental control, to oppose, CRT, to oppose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>He’s a former San Jose City Council member who served in the seventies and really for the decades since has been a big activist locally against gay rights. He fought against anti-discrimination ordinances in the eighties. He fought against gay marriage. And so his group right now is focused on encouraging parents to opt their kids out of sex ed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>We do support health based sex education, and that teaches the reproductive cycle. Biology. Is a concept.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Not only was he there encouraging and supporting people to run for office, but he kind of really laid out the link between what his group was doing around curriculum and then getting people to run for school board.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>The Importance of parents organizations. Hugely important because when this gentleman and this gentleman decide that they want to stand up and be a school board member, they need help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>And Pegram said his hope is that all these parents kind of connect and then form local groups in their district, these parent groups. And then when a conservative candidate runs for office, these parent groups are going to kind of serve as a backbone for the campaign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>And here’s the one I like. You have to create a volunteer army.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I know one candidate who’d actually won a school board seat. Linda Chavez, was at this meeting. Who is she and what did she have to say at the meeting?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>So Linda Chavez is basically an example of someone who has built political power at the school board level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Linda Chavez: \u003c/strong>You are only running against yourself. You can either win or lose. And I guess what I’m like losing. I’m a sore loser. I hate losting, losing if for losers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>She won a seat as a trustee in the Alamo Park Elementary School District on San Jose’s East Side back in 2018. So she’s been kind of a success story of this local conservative movement. When Chavez ran, she had three priorities. Number one, focus on student achievement. Number two, rebuild the trust of our community. And number three, work with everyone toward a common goal. That sounds pretty innocuous. It sounds like, you know, everyone could get behind those three priorities. But when she was speaking at the meeting to potential candidates and talking about why she had run in the first place, she said it was the, quote, gay stuff that was happening in the school district.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Linda Chavez: \u003c/strong>So I decided I’m going to run. Why? Because they were hurting the children. They had just finished passing all of this stuff. And this is one of the first districts did it. And I looked around and says, this is all going to go this way. Not on my watch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So, Guy, these groups are having meetings like this to try and rally folks of similar minds and goals to run for school board seats. But why school board seats?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>I think there’s no doubt that it’s been a national effort among conservatives to build power at the school board level. This is especially a focus in California, because, look, conservatives have not done well electorally in this state writ large. But the thing about school board is it’s not a partizan race. You’re not running with an R next your name or a D next to your name. So the state Republican Party has made a concerted effort to win school board seats, really, because there’s an opening in which conservatives can, you know, get on the ballot in a low information election. It’s not something people are particularly paying attention to and they’re not weighed down by the designation of being a Republican candidate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, based on what we heard from the meeting, these organizations and these candidates sound very hostile to LGBTQ people. I mean, talking about passing all this, quote unquote, gay stuff. What do these groups have to say about that and what are they advocating for in public?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Yeah, so informed parents of Silicon Valley. Their stated goal is to teach parents about their ability to remove kids from classes they view as inappropriate. And what they’re really targeting is comprehensive sex education, which in California also includes like LGBTQ class, inclusive language, and also HIV AIDS prevention education. That’s really where they’re trying to say, like parents, try to opt your kids out of these classes. And in the case of comprehensive sex ed, these are classes that are required under state law. But the state is also already required to tell parents you have the ability to opt out. So that’s what their stated goal is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>We are not involved in politics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>When I interviewed Larry Pegram, who runs a group, he said, Our group is not about politics. We’re not involved in any of this. We’re strictly just to disseminate information.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>We’re involved in parents rights and the responsibilities of parents to raise their children. I didn’t speak with prospective candidates. I talked about what our organization was doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>But this meeting offered a really different window into their aims and kind of stated goals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>Our organization for Parents of Silicon Valley is dedicated to helping you candidates get elected. That’s that’s what we’re about now. We’re a51 C3 organization. We don’t do this intake. We do not. Endorse any candidate. But people that think like us. We’re an education organization and we can help educate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Pegram is up there in this meeting giving candidates advice and really talking through how his group and the activities of his group are connected to electing more conservative school board members.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>How successful have they been so far actually gaining ground in Silicon Valley, actually winning school board seats?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Last year, there were four school board candidates that were backed by this Republican women’s group who actually won in the South Bay. So that in itself might be kind of surprising. Like this is a liberal area for school board candidates. One on the other hand, like there are more than a hundred school board members in the South Bay. So the conservative members are making up a pretty small fraction of that. But I would say school boards, it’s in many cases like a five member board. You only have to win a few candidates in a specific district to really exert a lot of control and make a lot of difference on issues like curriculum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, what happened when San Jose could no longer ignore informed parents of Silicon Valley? Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>This is still the Bay Area and I have to imagine a lot of parents and elected leaders would be pretty angry to hear about these efforts by informed parents. How do people start to become aware of these groups and what they’re doing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Yes, So informed parents really got on the radar of local elected officials at the start of this school year. You had volunteers with the group going to school sites and handing out leaflets. They look kind of like bookmarks that were encouraging parents to pull their kids out of sex ed. But the bookmarks had really harsh language on them, saying things like, your children are at risk. Schools are teaching gender confusion. And that’s when the backlash against these groups really, you know, kicked off and went to another level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>So a couple weeks ago, the San Jose City Council met to take up a resolution that on its face was about supporting the city’s LGBTQ plus community. But once the discussion really started, it was clear that the real purpose and genesis of this resolution was to denounce the Informed parents group.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Pam Foley: \u003c/strong>We must not let them win or even think they win. These fliers contain misinformation and hateful dog whistles that target our LGBTQ community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>So you had Pam Foley, a councilmember who co-wrote the resolution, really speaking out about the canvasing activity of inform parents, the ways in which they distributed this literature, the ways in which they described what was happening in schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Pam Foley: \u003c/strong>I’ve asked the clerk to project the two sided pamphlets that were being passed out by these individuals at Bagby. One says Your children are at risk. Talks about teachers indoctrinating children. I was on the school board for 14 years. That isn’t true. And to all the teachers in the room, I know that’s not true. The schools are a safe place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I know one council member in particular was actually really emotional about this issue. Can you tell me about City council member Omar Torres?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Omar Torres is the first openly gay Latino councilmember in San Jose’s history. He also coauthored this resolution. And a few times he just was overwhelmed when he began to speak on this issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Omar Torres: \u003c/strong>I’m trying to regain my composure, though.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>I think you had other council members kind of going over to him on the dais and like patting him on the back, consoling him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Ultimately, he he spoke and he spoke really personally about the issue and the ways in which he sees these efforts by conservative groups as an effort to push LGBTQ students, as he put it, back into the closet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Omar Torres: \u003c/strong>As a gay brown male. I’ve experienced the struggle of of of trying to be proud of who I am in the face of adversity. And I stand here crying not only as a council member, but as a human who has been the target of hate solely because of my sexual orientation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, what ultimately was the result of the meeting and what does it mean exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Ultimately, on a unanimous vote, the council approved this resolution. The meeting itself showed that, you know, these elected officials wanted to put these conservative groups in the spotlight. They wanted to bring out, you know, supporters of the LGBTQ community in the city to speak in public comment, which happens. And I think this is really going to be kind of setting the stage for school board campaigns in 2024, which is perhaps an effort by, you know, allies of the of San Jose’s and the South Bay’s LGBTQ community to really spotlight these school board races and what’s happening in schools. Oftentimes school board elections go under the radar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>And I think the council wanted to make sure they were kind of planting the flag. And to me, it kind of set the stage for the kind of confrontations, because there were folks who came to the meeting and spoke in support of some of these conservative groups, setting up the kind of confrontations we might see on the ballot next year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, guys, it strikes me that this is sort of, I guess, the Bay Area’s version of what we’ve seen in red states with, you know, the passage of all these anti LGBTQ laws, many of them targeted at schools and kids. And like, what do you think this ultimately means for voters as we were thinking about, you know, 2024?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I mean, I think what you’re seeing happening on the school board level in the Bay Area is, you know, in the minds of some just the latest iteration of pushback against the LGBTQ community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dr. Melissa Michelson: \u003c/strong>It’s the same playbook that was used to say gay people are scary. We don’t want people grooming our children to think that they’re gay or lesbian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>I talked to Dr. Melissa Michelson, who is a political science professor at Menlo College, and she laid it out as the latest iteration of the culture wars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dr. Melissa Michelson: \u003c/strong>The culture wars are all about finding that new thing that divides and tries to, you know, to pull away from the opposition’s coalition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>She compared it to, you know, the pushback against gay rights and gay marriage more than a decade ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dr. Melissa Michelson: \u003c/strong>It’s old, it’s new, and things are always kind of more susceptible to being exploited as a culture war issue when it comes to vulnerable populations like small children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>What’s going on in schools? What books are available in school libraries? What’s the curriculum that’s being taught? How are we treating transgender students? That’s become kind of the new frontier that can inflame parents are ultimately inflame voters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Guy, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>My pleasure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Guy Marzorati, a political correspondent for KQED. This 26 minute conversation with Guy was cut down and edited by producer Maria Esquinca. Alan Montecillo is our senior editor. He scored this episode and added all the tape music courtesy of the audio network. The Bay is a production of member supported KQED in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, thanks for listening. 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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Hey, it’s Ericka. Quick little note. The bay is looking for an intern. This is a 16 hour a week paid opportunity to help us make this show. The internship runs from January through June of 2024. So if you’ve got love for local news, the Bay Area and podcasting. Let’s chat. The deadline to apply is November 17th. We’ll leave you a link to the application in our show notes. All right. Here’s the show. I’m Ericka Cruz GuevarRa and welcome to the bay. Local news to keep you rooted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Back in August, a group of people gathered inside a local church, a little south of Willow Glen in San Jose. They opened the meeting with a prayer. But this wasn’t a church meeting. It was a gathering hosted by the Silicon Valley Association of Republican Women about what’s getting taught in public schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>*audio from meeting*\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The prayer was part of a call to bring like minded conservatives together and prepare them for public office in particular, to try and encourage more conservatives to get into the management and oversight of public schools in the South Bay. By running for school board.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, the conservative groups in the South Bay who want to take control of public schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>What really fascinated me about the meeting was it kind of gave a peek behind the curtain of how these groups are talking, you know, behind closed doors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Guy Marzorati is a political correspondent for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>So at the meeting, you had Silicon Valley Association of Republican Women, some of the successful conservative school board candidates in the South Bay. And then this leader of a local group that’s called Informed Parents of Silicon Valley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Yeah, tell me about them. I know they were there. Who was there representing that group and what was he talking about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Right. So you had Larry Pegram, who’s the head of informed Parents of Silicon Valley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>We are here to restore parental rights, to regain parental control, to oppose, CRT, to oppose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>He’s a former San Jose City Council member who served in the seventies and really for the decades since has been a big activist locally against gay rights. He fought against anti-discrimination ordinances in the eighties. He fought against gay marriage. And so his group right now is focused on encouraging parents to opt their kids out of sex ed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>We do support health based sex education, and that teaches the reproductive cycle. Biology. 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You have to create a volunteer army.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I know one candidate who’d actually won a school board seat. Linda Chavez, was at this meeting. Who is she and what did she have to say at the meeting?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>So Linda Chavez is basically an example of someone who has built political power at the school board level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Linda Chavez: \u003c/strong>You are only running against yourself. You can either win or lose. And I guess what I’m like losing. I’m a sore loser. I hate losting, losing if for losers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>She won a seat as a trustee in the Alamo Park Elementary School District on San Jose’s East Side back in 2018. So she’s been kind of a success story of this local conservative movement. When Chavez ran, she had three priorities. Number one, focus on student achievement. Number two, rebuild the trust of our community. And number three, work with everyone toward a common goal. That sounds pretty innocuous. It sounds like, you know, everyone could get behind those three priorities. But when she was speaking at the meeting to potential candidates and talking about why she had run in the first place, she said it was the, quote, gay stuff that was happening in the school district.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Linda Chavez: \u003c/strong>So I decided I’m going to run. Why? Because they were hurting the children. They had just finished passing all of this stuff. And this is one of the first districts did it. And I looked around and says, this is all going to go this way. Not on my watch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So, Guy, these groups are having meetings like this to try and rally folks of similar minds and goals to run for school board seats. But why school board seats?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>I think there’s no doubt that it’s been a national effort among conservatives to build power at the school board level. This is especially a focus in California, because, look, conservatives have not done well electorally in this state writ large. But the thing about school board is it’s not a partizan race. You’re not running with an R next your name or a D next to your name. So the state Republican Party has made a concerted effort to win school board seats, really, because there’s an opening in which conservatives can, you know, get on the ballot in a low information election. It’s not something people are particularly paying attention to and they’re not weighed down by the designation of being a Republican candidate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, based on what we heard from the meeting, these organizations and these candidates sound very hostile to LGBTQ people. I mean, talking about passing all this, quote unquote, gay stuff. What do these groups have to say about that and what are they advocating for in public?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Yeah, so informed parents of Silicon Valley. Their stated goal is to teach parents about their ability to remove kids from classes they view as inappropriate. And what they’re really targeting is comprehensive sex education, which in California also includes like LGBTQ class, inclusive language, and also HIV AIDS prevention education. That’s really where they’re trying to say, like parents, try to opt your kids out of these classes. And in the case of comprehensive sex ed, these are classes that are required under state law. But the state is also already required to tell parents you have the ability to opt out. So that’s what their stated goal is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>We are not involved in politics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>When I interviewed Larry Pegram, who runs a group, he said, Our group is not about politics. We’re not involved in any of this. We’re strictly just to disseminate information.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>We’re involved in parents rights and the responsibilities of parents to raise their children. I didn’t speak with prospective candidates. I talked about what our organization was doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>But this meeting offered a really different window into their aims and kind of stated goals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Pegram: \u003c/strong>Our organization for Parents of Silicon Valley is dedicated to helping you candidates get elected. That’s that’s what we’re about now. We’re a51 C3 organization. We don’t do this intake. We do not. Endorse any candidate. But people that think like us. We’re an education organization and we can help educate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Pegram is up there in this meeting giving candidates advice and really talking through how his group and the activities of his group are connected to electing more conservative school board members.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>How successful have they been so far actually gaining ground in Silicon Valley, actually winning school board seats?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Last year, there were four school board candidates that were backed by this Republican women’s group who actually won in the South Bay. So that in itself might be kind of surprising. Like this is a liberal area for school board candidates. One on the other hand, like there are more than a hundred school board members in the South Bay. So the conservative members are making up a pretty small fraction of that. But I would say school boards, it’s in many cases like a five member board. You only have to win a few candidates in a specific district to really exert a lot of control and make a lot of difference on issues like curriculum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, what happened when San Jose could no longer ignore informed parents of Silicon Valley? Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>This is still the Bay Area and I have to imagine a lot of parents and elected leaders would be pretty angry to hear about these efforts by informed parents. How do people start to become aware of these groups and what they’re doing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Yes, So informed parents really got on the radar of local elected officials at the start of this school year. You had volunteers with the group going to school sites and handing out leaflets. They look kind of like bookmarks that were encouraging parents to pull their kids out of sex ed. But the bookmarks had really harsh language on them, saying things like, your children are at risk. Schools are teaching gender confusion. And that’s when the backlash against these groups really, you know, kicked off and went to another level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>So a couple weeks ago, the San Jose City Council met to take up a resolution that on its face was about supporting the city’s LGBTQ plus community. But once the discussion really started, it was clear that the real purpose and genesis of this resolution was to denounce the Informed parents group.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Pam Foley: \u003c/strong>We must not let them win or even think they win. 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Can you tell me about City council member Omar Torres?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Omar Torres is the first openly gay Latino councilmember in San Jose’s history. He also coauthored this resolution. And a few times he just was overwhelmed when he began to speak on this issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Omar Torres: \u003c/strong>I’m trying to regain my composure, though.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>I think you had other council members kind of going over to him on the dais and like patting him on the back, consoling him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Ultimately, he he spoke and he spoke really personally about the issue and the ways in which he sees these efforts by conservative groups as an effort to push LGBTQ students, as he put it, back into the closet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Omar Torres: \u003c/strong>As a gay brown male. I’ve experienced the struggle of of of trying to be proud of who I am in the face of adversity. And I stand here crying not only as a council member, but as a human who has been the target of hate solely because of my sexual orientation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, what ultimately was the result of the meeting and what does it mean exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>Ultimately, on a unanimous vote, the council approved this resolution. The meeting itself showed that, you know, these elected officials wanted to put these conservative groups in the spotlight. They wanted to bring out, you know, supporters of the LGBTQ community in the city to speak in public comment, which happens. And I think this is really going to be kind of setting the stage for school board campaigns in 2024, which is perhaps an effort by, you know, allies of the of San Jose’s and the South Bay’s LGBTQ community to really spotlight these school board races and what’s happening in schools. Oftentimes school board elections go under the radar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/strong>And I think the council wanted to make sure they were kind of planting the flag. 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So what's the outlook for the 118th Congress and its ability to govern? \u003c/span>\u003cb>Representative Ro Khanna\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> joins us to share the latest on the almost unprecedented gridlock on Capitol Hill. Plus a look at the January 6th Select Committee findings and the future of California's U.S. Senate seat.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Former San Jos\u003c/b>\u003cb>é\u003c/b>\u003cb> Mayor Sam Liccardo\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After two terms in office, \u003c/span>\u003cb>Sam Liccardo\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> stepped down as mayor of San Jos\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">é\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, the 10th largest city in the country. During that time he led the city through pension reform, new housing development, a mass shooting at the Valley Transportation Railyard, and a spike in homelessness. 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Monday through Friday, they both worked at Texas Instruments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ramos White and her siblings grew up running around the dozens of aisles of La Pulga, as the 61-year-old market is also known, making friends with the kids of other vendors. Their stall, one of more than 700 that make up the market, is now run by Katrina and Russ, who operate it on the weekends and work full-time tech jobs during the week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2046px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11916752\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2046\" height=\"1363\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2.jpg 2046w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-1920x1279.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2046px) 100vw, 2046px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Katrina Ramos White and her husband, Russ White, pose for a portrait outside their home in San José. The couple is part of a younger generation of San José residents who entered the tech industry to have financial stability — but still have to work several jobs to get close to achieving their dream of owning their own home.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The flea market is one of those places where you can still see the same vendors' faces, you can get a bag of roasted peanuts,” Ramos White said. “It's those little parts of what made up San José's energy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But La Pulga is only a couple years away from closing down and restructuring itself within the new Berryessa BART Urban Village — construction of which is set to begin in the summer of 2024. San José officials and members of the Bumb family, which owns the 60 acres of land the flea market sits on, have repeatedly told vendors that \u003ca href=\"https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-berryessa-flea-market-fees-frustrate-vendors/\">the market won’t close forever\u003c/a>, but instead will shrink to a space of just 5 acres. Office buildings, condominiums and new shops will be built on the remaining space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Katrina Ramos White, flea market vendor\"]'The flea market is one of those places where you can still see the same vendors' faces … it's those little parts of what made up San José's energy.'[/pullquote]City officials \u003ca href=\"https://www.sanjoseca.gov/your-government/departments/planning-building-code-enforcement/planning-division/citywide-planning/urban-villages/urban-village-plans-under-development/berryessa-bart\">approved this plan last summer\u003c/a>, but since then, property developers have not provided much information on how hundreds of stalls — which provide an extensive range of goods including furniture, produce, crafts and clothing — will fit inside the much smaller space. This leaves many vendors feeling they have no other choice but to develop their own exit strategies if their business is not included in the transition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ramos White is part of a younger generation of San José residents who grew up at the market and are now employed in the tech industry — balancing two sides of San José. “It just feels like Big Tech is coming in and steamrolling all the little people out,” she said, “which is hard to say because I work in Big Tech. But my roots are at the flea market.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11916753\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2047px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11916753\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12.jpg\" alt=\"Katrina Ramos White and Russell White stand inside their stall moving metal hangers around and hanging plush figurines. They are surrounded by toys of many shapes, sizes and colors.\" width=\"2047\" height=\"1364\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12.jpg 2047w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-1920x1279.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2047px) 100vw, 2047px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ramos White and her siblings grew up running around the dozens of aisles of La Pulga, while their parents worked at the toy stall. Her parents, Kim and Tony Ramos, are now retired. They worked for decades at the flea market on the weekends at the same time they had full-time jobs during weekdays. \u003ccite>(Amaya Edwards/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>A safety net\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When Kim and Tony Ramos retired at the start of 2020 from both their full-time jobs and the flea market, they gave their children the option of either continuing to run their stall until La Pulga eventually closes, or close it before then, and sell off the inventory. Ramos White wasn’t ready to say goodbye to the stall, so she and her husband have kept the family business open — at least, for now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is something that we could do for the next few years, especially with the end kind of nearing,” Ramos White said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"arts_13905374\" hero=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/006_SanJose_BerryessaFleaMarket_10222021-1920x1280.jpg\"]Ramos White is a community product manager at MyHealthTeam, a social networking app for people who have similar chronic illnesses to cultivate communities. White works in marketing for Dripto, a new cryptocurrency company. Both are in their late 20s, and they want to start a family in a home of their own.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The couple currently lives at home with Ramos White’s parents, just a few miles away from the flea market. By working at both their full-time jobs and at La Pulga on the weekends, they are saving as much as they can to afford buying a house of their own someday — but when they drive around San José today, a future there feels unattainable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11916754\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2048px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11916754\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2048\" height=\"1366\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-1920x1281.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2048px) 100vw, 2048px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kim and Tony Ramos (front) have seen many of their children leave the Bay Area due to the high cost of living. 'I don't have any little grandkids around me anymore, like I used to,' Kim Ramos said. \u003ccite>(Amaya Edwards/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Right down the street from where I grew up, these luxury condos and townhouses are popping up,” Ramos White said. “My husband and I, who make a decent amount, still wouldn't be able to afford a one-bedroom apartment. I always dreamed about living in the same neighborhood, sending my kids to the same schools I went to. That's not a reality unless we want to just live with my parents.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2021, only 32% of potential first-time home buyers could afford a median-priced home in Santa Clara County, \u003ca href=\"https://jointventure.org/download-the-2022-index#:~:text=Download%20the%202022%20Silicon%20Valley%20Index&text=Updated%20annually%2C%20it%20is%20a,for%20leadership%20and%20decision%20making\">according to an annual report from Joint Venture Silicon Valley\u003c/a>, a think tank organization based in the South Bay. Over the past few years, Ramos White’s older siblings have moved out of California to find cheaper real estate. Now the family gets together a few times a year, as opposed to every night when everyone was living in the Bay Area. It’s been hard for her mom, Kim, to adjust to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don't have any little grandkids around me anymore, like I used to,” Kim Ramos said. “I used to look forward to getting out of work and going to pick up the two little ones and bring them home.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Katrina Ramos White, flea market vendor\"]'I always dreamed about living in the same neighborhood, sending my kids to the same schools I went to. That's not a reality unless we want to just live with my parents.'[/pullquote]It would have been impossible for Kim and Tony Ramos to buy their own home and raise their kids without the income from their toy stall, said Tony. The stall served as a sort of safety net that helped smooth over rough patches when their weekday jobs cut back on hours or expenses went up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I went to San José State. My older brother and older sister went to San José State, and the flea market paid for all of that,” Ramos White said. “Especially during the recession in 2008. My mom always says that the flea market really kept our family afloat.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim and Tony are now enjoying retirement after decades of working every weekend at the toy stall. They are happy that Ramos White and her siblings went to college and have stable jobs, but realize their family’s relationship with the flea market is different from that of other families who solely rely on the flea market to pay the bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We see people who are totally dependent on the flea market and it’s a different kind of scenario [for them],” said Tony. “There is no way out. They are hurting, but for us, we’re maintaining it [for] those times that Silicon Valley is up and down.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11916758\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2048px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11916758\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2048\" height=\"1366\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-1920x1281.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2048px) 100vw, 2048px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">When the end of the day draws near, Katrina and Russ begin to pack up their stall, including hundreds of toys. Russ worries that a lot of the original essence of La Pulga will be lost if it becomes a digital marketplace. 'How many vendors at the flea market are going to be selling their fruits online?' he asks. \u003ccite>(Amaya Edwards/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>An online flea market? It's just not the same\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Bumb family and the city of San José have been negotiating about how to downsize the flea market since 2007. That’s when the city voted to rezone the land as a “mixed-use transit village,” surrounding the new BART station, which opened last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the start of 2020, a group of vendors formed the \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/berryessafleamarketvendorsassociation\">Berryessa Flea Market Vendor Association\u003c/a>, a nonprofit that has \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11878548/san-jose-flea-market-leaders-end-hunger-strike-but-future-of-la-pulga-still-hangs-in-the-balance\">organized extensively to ensure that no vendors are displaced\u003c/a> as the Berryessa BART Urban Village is developed. City officials have been trying to work with vendors to potentially move their small businesses to an online marketplace, in case they do not have a spot in the reimagined indoor marketplace within the Urban Village.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11879717\" hero=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49568_014_SanJose_FleaMarket_05262021-qut-1-1020x680.jpg\"]While a few vendors are embracing the shift to a digital marketplace, many lament what will be lost when the sights, sounds, smells and conversations that can be enjoyed in a huge, bustling flea market give way to something much smaller, much more sedate, sandwiched inside a mixed-use development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How many vendors at the flea market are going to be selling their fruits online?” asked White. “People will literally drive two hours from home to go to the San José flea market. [Closing it] will forever change things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unlike his wife, White didn’t grow up going to the flea market each weekend; he started working at the toy stall as an adult. In his time working at the stall, he’s learned how other vendors and customers barter and haggle, skills that he believes give swap meets their character and energy — and that can’t be easily substituted online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>La Pulga is a place where so many immigrant families and their children come together to make their dreams of financial stability a reality, Ramos White said. Waking up at dawn, knowing how to pull in customers, haggling to never lose a sale and staying past sunset to clean up — that’s the hustle culture that she says defines the energy of both the market and the families that have made it into a San José landmark.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label='More Stories from the South Bay' tag='san-jose']“Being children of immigrants, we know that they came to this country to give us a better life and everything that we do was built on their backs,” she said. “If you need to make money, you need to make money.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She’s inherited this mentality from her parents, but has also incorporated what she’s learned from her own experiences at La Pulga. As she and Russ prepare for potentially letting go of their stall in a couple years, they’re not letting go of their dream of buying a home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says that the hundreds of families who work at the flea market are going to keep hustling to survive in the Bay Area, with or without La Pulga. “People's backs are going to be up against the wall and they are going to make it happen because that's all we know how to do,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In two years, San José's Berryessa Flea Market, or La Pulga, will transform into an 'urban village,' potentially displacing hundreds of vendors. 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Monday through Friday, they both worked at Texas Instruments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ramos White and her siblings grew up running around the dozens of aisles of La Pulga, as the 61-year-old market is also known, making friends with the kids of other vendors. Their stall, one of more than 700 that make up the market, is now run by Katrina and Russ, who operate it on the weekends and work full-time tech jobs during the week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2046px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11916752\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2046\" height=\"1363\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2.jpg 2046w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-2-1920x1279.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2046px) 100vw, 2046px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Katrina Ramos White and her husband, Russ White, pose for a portrait outside their home in San José. The couple is part of a younger generation of San José residents who entered the tech industry to have financial stability — but still have to work several jobs to get close to achieving their dream of owning their own home.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The flea market is one of those places where you can still see the same vendors' faces, you can get a bag of roasted peanuts,” Ramos White said. “It's those little parts of what made up San José's energy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But La Pulga is only a couple years away from closing down and restructuring itself within the new Berryessa BART Urban Village — construction of which is set to begin in the summer of 2024. San José officials and members of the Bumb family, which owns the 60 acres of land the flea market sits on, have repeatedly told vendors that \u003ca href=\"https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-berryessa-flea-market-fees-frustrate-vendors/\">the market won’t close forever\u003c/a>, but instead will shrink to a space of just 5 acres. Office buildings, condominiums and new shops will be built on the remaining space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The flea market is one of those places where you can still see the same vendors' faces … it's those little parts of what made up San José's energy.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Katrina Ramos White, flea market vendor","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>City officials \u003ca href=\"https://www.sanjoseca.gov/your-government/departments/planning-building-code-enforcement/planning-division/citywide-planning/urban-villages/urban-village-plans-under-development/berryessa-bart\">approved this plan last summer\u003c/a>, but since then, property developers have not provided much information on how hundreds of stalls — which provide an extensive range of goods including furniture, produce, crafts and clothing — will fit inside the much smaller space. This leaves many vendors feeling they have no other choice but to develop their own exit strategies if their business is not included in the transition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ramos White is part of a younger generation of San José residents who grew up at the market and are now employed in the tech industry — balancing two sides of San José. “It just feels like Big Tech is coming in and steamrolling all the little people out,” she said, “which is hard to say because I work in Big Tech. But my roots are at the flea market.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11916753\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2047px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11916753\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12.jpg\" alt=\"Katrina Ramos White and Russell White stand inside their stall moving metal hangers around and hanging plush figurines. They are surrounded by toys of many shapes, sizes and colors.\" width=\"2047\" height=\"1364\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12.jpg 2047w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-12-1920x1279.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2047px) 100vw, 2047px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ramos White and her siblings grew up running around the dozens of aisles of La Pulga, while their parents worked at the toy stall. Her parents, Kim and Tony Ramos, are now retired. They worked for decades at the flea market on the weekends at the same time they had full-time jobs during weekdays. \u003ccite>(Amaya Edwards/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>A safety net\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When Kim and Tony Ramos retired at the start of 2020 from both their full-time jobs and the flea market, they gave their children the option of either continuing to run their stall until La Pulga eventually closes, or close it before then, and sell off the inventory. Ramos White wasn’t ready to say goodbye to the stall, so she and her husband have kept the family business open — at least, for now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is something that we could do for the next few years, especially with the end kind of nearing,” Ramos White said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13905374","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/006_SanJose_BerryessaFleaMarket_10222021-1920x1280.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Ramos White is a community product manager at MyHealthTeam, a social networking app for people who have similar chronic illnesses to cultivate communities. White works in marketing for Dripto, a new cryptocurrency company. Both are in their late 20s, and they want to start a family in a home of their own.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The couple currently lives at home with Ramos White’s parents, just a few miles away from the flea market. By working at both their full-time jobs and at La Pulga on the weekends, they are saving as much as they can to afford buying a house of their own someday — but when they drive around San José today, a future there feels unattainable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11916754\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2048px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11916754\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2048\" height=\"1366\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-3-1920x1281.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2048px) 100vw, 2048px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kim and Tony Ramos (front) have seen many of their children leave the Bay Area due to the high cost of living. 'I don't have any little grandkids around me anymore, like I used to,' Kim Ramos said. \u003ccite>(Amaya Edwards/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Right down the street from where I grew up, these luxury condos and townhouses are popping up,” Ramos White said. “My husband and I, who make a decent amount, still wouldn't be able to afford a one-bedroom apartment. I always dreamed about living in the same neighborhood, sending my kids to the same schools I went to. That's not a reality unless we want to just live with my parents.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2021, only 32% of potential first-time home buyers could afford a median-priced home in Santa Clara County, \u003ca href=\"https://jointventure.org/download-the-2022-index#:~:text=Download%20the%202022%20Silicon%20Valley%20Index&text=Updated%20annually%2C%20it%20is%20a,for%20leadership%20and%20decision%20making\">according to an annual report from Joint Venture Silicon Valley\u003c/a>, a think tank organization based in the South Bay. Over the past few years, Ramos White’s older siblings have moved out of California to find cheaper real estate. Now the family gets together a few times a year, as opposed to every night when everyone was living in the Bay Area. It’s been hard for her mom, Kim, to adjust to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don't have any little grandkids around me anymore, like I used to,” Kim Ramos said. “I used to look forward to getting out of work and going to pick up the two little ones and bring them home.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I always dreamed about living in the same neighborhood, sending my kids to the same schools I went to. That's not a reality unless we want to just live with my parents.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Katrina Ramos White, flea market vendor","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>It would have been impossible for Kim and Tony Ramos to buy their own home and raise their kids without the income from their toy stall, said Tony. The stall served as a sort of safety net that helped smooth over rough patches when their weekday jobs cut back on hours or expenses went up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I went to San José State. My older brother and older sister went to San José State, and the flea market paid for all of that,” Ramos White said. “Especially during the recession in 2008. My mom always says that the flea market really kept our family afloat.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim and Tony are now enjoying retirement after decades of working every weekend at the toy stall. They are happy that Ramos White and her siblings went to college and have stable jobs, but realize their family’s relationship with the flea market is different from that of other families who solely rely on the flea market to pay the bills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We see people who are totally dependent on the flea market and it’s a different kind of scenario [for them],” said Tony. “There is no way out. They are hurting, but for us, we’re maintaining it [for] those times that Silicon Valley is up and down.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11916758\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2048px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11916758\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2048\" height=\"1366\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/06/Image-from-iOS-21-1920x1281.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2048px) 100vw, 2048px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">When the end of the day draws near, Katrina and Russ begin to pack up their stall, including hundreds of toys. Russ worries that a lot of the original essence of La Pulga will be lost if it becomes a digital marketplace. 'How many vendors at the flea market are going to be selling their fruits online?' he asks. \u003ccite>(Amaya Edwards/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>An online flea market? It's just not the same\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Bumb family and the city of San José have been negotiating about how to downsize the flea market since 2007. That’s when the city voted to rezone the land as a “mixed-use transit village,” surrounding the new BART station, which opened last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the start of 2020, a group of vendors formed the \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/berryessafleamarketvendorsassociation\">Berryessa Flea Market Vendor Association\u003c/a>, a nonprofit that has \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11878548/san-jose-flea-market-leaders-end-hunger-strike-but-future-of-la-pulga-still-hangs-in-the-balance\">organized extensively to ensure that no vendors are displaced\u003c/a> as the Berryessa BART Urban Village is developed. City officials have been trying to work with vendors to potentially move their small businesses to an online marketplace, in case they do not have a spot in the reimagined indoor marketplace within the Urban Village.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11879717","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49568_014_SanJose_FleaMarket_05262021-qut-1-1020x680.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>While a few vendors are embracing the shift to a digital marketplace, many lament what will be lost when the sights, sounds, smells and conversations that can be enjoyed in a huge, bustling flea market give way to something much smaller, much more sedate, sandwiched inside a mixed-use development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How many vendors at the flea market are going to be selling their fruits online?” asked White. “People will literally drive two hours from home to go to the San José flea market. [Closing it] will forever change things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unlike his wife, White didn’t grow up going to the flea market each weekend; he started working at the toy stall as an adult. In his time working at the stall, he’s learned how other vendors and customers barter and haggle, skills that he believes give swap meets their character and energy — and that can’t be easily substituted online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>La Pulga is a place where so many immigrant families and their children come together to make their dreams of financial stability a reality, Ramos White said. Waking up at dawn, knowing how to pull in customers, haggling to never lose a sale and staying past sunset to clean up — that’s the hustle culture that she says defines the energy of both the market and the families that have made it into a San José landmark.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"More Stories from the South Bay ","tag":"san-jose"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Being children of immigrants, we know that they came to this country to give us a better life and everything that we do was built on their backs,” she said. “If you need to make money, you need to make money.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She’s inherited this mentality from her parents, but has also incorporated what she’s learned from her own experiences at La Pulga. As she and Russ prepare for potentially letting go of their stall in a couple years, they’re not letting go of their dream of buying a home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says that the hundreds of families who work at the flea market are going to keep hustling to survive in the Bay Area, with or without La Pulga. “People's backs are going to be up against the wall and they are going to make it happen because that's all we know how to do,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11916729/my-roots-are-at-the-flea-market-as-la-pulga-closure-looms-over-vendors-one-san-jose-family-weighs-the-future","authors":["11708","11672"],"categories":["news_223","news_6266","news_28250","news_8"],"tags":["news_26598","news_3921","news_269","news_31211","news_23786","news_20519","news_23333","news_27626","news_4613","news_1775","news_29596","news_25409","news_29603","news_18541","news_29632","news_21285"],"featImg":"news_11916850","label":"news"},"news_11911130":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11911130","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11911130","score":null,"sort":[1650915313000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bonus-your-stories-and-solutions-for-the-housing-crisis","title":"Bonus: Your Stories and Solutions for the Housing Crisis","publishDate":1650915313,"format":"audio","headTitle":"Bonus: Your Stories and Solutions for the Housing Crisis | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What are your biggest ideas on how to solve the housing crisis? How has housing shaped your life?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Throughout this season, we wanted to hear from you — the Sold Out audience. We asked you to get in touch, and you came through!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">From voice memos to emails and social media, dozens of listeners reached out and shared stories of housing insecurity and loss, advocacy work, and visions for an equitable housing future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In this bonus episode, hear from seven people for whom housing is at the center of everything. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch5 id=\"embed-code\" class=\"inconsolata\">\n\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC9285725518&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/h5>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[TRANSCRIPT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>MOLLY SOLOMON: \u003c/strong>Hi! I’m Molly Solomon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ERIN BALDASSARI: \u003c/strong>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m Erin Baldassari. You’re listening to Sold Out: Rethinking Housing in America, and today we’ve got something special for you from producer Natalia Aldana.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Take it away, Natalia.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[SOLD OUT THEME MUSIC BEGINS]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11841421\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 451px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-11841421\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-800x530.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"451\" height=\"299\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-800x530.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-1020x676.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-160x106.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-1536x1018.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 451px) 100vw, 451px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A red for sale sign outside a home with a “sold pending” sticker posted across the front. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA ALDANA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When it comes to the housing crisis, every Californian has something to say about it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT RINALDO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Man, it’s like — it’s like the air we breathe. It is literally, like, a fact of life if you live in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>NATALIA: \u003c/strong>We can all point to how it’s impacted us — affected our families, our neighborhoods, and our livelihoods.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Throughout this season of Sold Out, we’ve been asking for your thoughts and experiences when it comes to housing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So many of you got in touch. And today, you’ll hear from seven people whose stories might challenge you, empathize with you, and hopefully, inspire you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC – DECK LOFI]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">First up, we have a listener who wants us to rethink how we live — literally\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">who we share a roof with, and how the \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">way \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">we understand family impacts our housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam Coulter rents an apartment with his partner in San Jose. And Cam thinks the housing system favors homeowners. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM COULTER: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is probably a little hot-take, but I wish I could write off my rent payments as tax-deductible.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam recognizes that tax incentives are meant to motivate homeownership. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And that might work in other parts of the country. But here I feel like it really just punishes the people who can’t afford to buy a home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although rent is not tax-deductible in California — the state does award a $60 renters tax credit for qualifying single filers who earn less than $43,533 a year. Since Cam and I last spoke, \u003ca href=\"https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/californias-renter-tax-credit-has-remained-unchanged-for-43-years-it-could-soon-increase/ar-AAW402s\">a state bill has been proposed that could potentially increase that credit to $500.\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – DECK LOFI OUT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While Cam\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> doesn’t really want to buy a h\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ome, they do want to build equity.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I see the way that the desire to own a home is sort of constructed by the fact that it’s a great way to build wealth and have long-term stability. But I wish there were other ways to achieve that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911686\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 334px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-11911686\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-800x800.jpeg\" alt=\"A person sits on the grass.\" width=\"334\" height=\"334\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-800x800.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1020x1020.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-160x160.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1536x1536.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1920x1920.jpeg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 334px) 100vw, 334px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cam Coulter wants KQED listeners to reimagine who we consider family, and how that might improve the housing crisis. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Cam Coulter)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> As for their other pie in the sky: Cam wants more \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.ic.org/what-is-an-intentional-community-30th-birthday-day-13/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">intentional housing or co-housing communities\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I stop and dream about what, like, a beautiful, sustainable, healthy future would look like, I see housing that looks more like this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve lived in intentional community before, and I’d like to do that again in the future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN – \u003c/b>\u003cb>SUNKISSED]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Live not just with my own, how to say, like, nuclear family, but with other people, and to share space with them, share grocery budgets, do communal activities.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would love to live in a co-housing community where my partner and I could have some of our own space but also share common spaces with community. I would love to live in, like, a larger, multi-family home where maybe four to 10 adults, or kids, could comfortably live together without overcrowding.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And this could benefit a lot of multi-generational families who I know are already overcrowded in their small single-family home. I think we have too few of those options.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – \u003c/b>\u003cb>SUNKISSED]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam is nonbinary, and says the connection between queer and trans folks living in found families has probably influenced this perspective.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One thing that makes me frustrated is that so many of the housing units we have are designed for a nuclear family. Or perhaps, you know, you can have maybe grandparents or something, but they’re really designed as like single-family homes or small apartments, or just one or a couple of people. But that’s not really what I want.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One of the largest barriers to\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">building more co-housing is, no surprise, money. But,\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam is cheering on organizations like the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://southbayclt.org/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">South Bay Community Land Trust\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which is working on acquiring their \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://southbayclt.org/capital-campaign-reed-st-acquisition/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">first community-owned house in San Jose\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam believes co-housing can have additional benefits, like boosting our social health.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s like a really big issue these days, is that so many people are isolated. And when I lived in community before, I really loved just constantly having people around. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It did a lot of good for me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN – SEARCHING FOR TREASURE]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our next listener knows that\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the housing crisis should be attacked on every single front. So Santa Cruz renter Ernesto Anguiano is setting his sights on a culprit that some might consider a friend.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You see… Ernesto wants to see cities change their zoning laws to allow for more multi-family housing. And he wants to see Bay Area cities built denser. He thinks one way to achieve that is by rethinking parking.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911347\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 536px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11911347 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1020x689.jpg\" alt=\"A man stands on a mountainside with a board.\" width=\"536\" height=\"362\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1020x689.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-800x540.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-160x108.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1536x1038.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA.jpg 1818w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 536px) 100vw, 536px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ernesto Anguiano rents in Santa Cruz and wants listeners to consider how their car might impact the housing crisis. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Ernesto Anguiano)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – SEARCHING FOR TREASURE]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There’s a lot of things that affect your ability to purchase a home. And the parking one was a unique aspect on it\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When there are parking minimums for housing developments\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, spaces for cars eat up what could be spaces for housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So you’re essentially subsidizing that parking space that you could be building valuable housing in.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Ernesto sees it, denser cities create more transit options, so reducing a dependency on cars can help the environment, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and makes it possible to afford a home. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of these changes can help the housing crisis.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, everybody should have the opportunity and the ability to live where they want to live. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if you want to have, you know, your single-family home, or your single-family neighborhood, you know, I can respect that. But at the same time, you have to give others the opportunity to live in that same neighborhood.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: WURLY REGGAETON]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ernesto knows folks have a reliance on cars, but he hopes he’s planted the seed for more conversations in the future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Next, we turn to Eva Hopkins who has a vision for Oakland, her hometown. She has big thoughts on gentrification and ways to address it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA HOPKINS:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You have to at least have one point something million dollars to get a good house, in a good area, in Oakland. And I essentially got priced out of Oakland.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When we spoke Eva had just sold her condo in Emeryville and was preparing to move into her new home in Hercules. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: WURLY REGGAETON]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She sees how Oakland has changed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11830938\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11830938\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Single-family homes near MacArthur BART station in Oakland, on Feb. 21, 2020. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All these developers coming in, and I’m going to say, white developers, coming in and kicking us all out, rebuilding stuff, and making it unaffordable for the people that were there before. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Where you could have been paying $1,000 for rent, now you’re paying $4,000 for rent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: DIZZY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because if you talk about poverty, and stuff like that, you’re pushing us into poverty because we can’t afford this, and people don’t have anywhere to go. So where does that push them? When you push them out, that pushes them on the streets, and there’s poverty right there, right? So it’s basically keeping us from rising on top, and pushing us straight to the bottom.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s really important that when there are major developers coming in and redeveloping places, that they are community-driven. Get those construction companies that are in the community that you’re building in and get those residents working somehow, someway on this project so that they can live in the places that they build.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it’s not just Oakland\u003c/span>\u003cb> — \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eva works at a non-profit in San Francisco, and points to the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://sf-hrc.org/sites/default/files/Dream%20Keeper%20Initiative_One%20Pager.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Dream Keeper Initiative\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> as one tool to address gentrification there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: DIZZY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a city-wide effort to reinvest $120 million from law enforcement into San Francisco’s Black community. $10 million is allocated for housing and homeownership.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Eva navigated the buyer and seller’s market these past few months, she said similar programs and initiatives really helped her, and she hopes prospective home buyers will take advantage of resources out there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They are making it possible for people of color, and you know us, to buy homes, so take advantage of it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Taking advantage of programs is just one way to stabilize communities. But while that may not have been enough to help Eva own in Oakland, she said she’s proud to live in a Bay Area city and remain near her mom and brother.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC TRANSITION]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> We’re going to take a quick break. Coming up, one listener points to some legislation they think could make waves in affordability, a landlord who considered leaving the business, and someone who shows us the devastating effects of displacement.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MIDROLL – ADVERTISEMENT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sean Ripley emailed us wanting to talk about a controversial policy in his city. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Opportunity to Purchase Act, or OPA, would give current tenants, as well as qualifying nonprofits, the first shot at buying certain residential properties.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN RIPLEY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The hope is that this will create housing that has a permanent affordability to it, like the housing preservation that will happen over time.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although OPA has been discussed in the city since \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cityofepa.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/housing/page/20967/2021.10.05_ppt_epa_opportunity_to_purchase_act_final.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2018\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, it was first formally considered by the East Palo Alto City Council in \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cityofepa.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/housing/page/20967/2021.10.05_ppt_epa_opportunity_to_purchase_act_final.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">October 2021\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — and the disagreements soon followed, through Facebook forums and city protests.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">According to the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.noepaopa.com/home\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">NO to EPA OPA\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> website, one of the arguments against this ordinance is that it could damage the single-family housing market and property values.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911350\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 332px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11911350 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1020x1530.jpeg\" alt=\"A man smiles at the camera while wearing a bright red jacket, in front of a wall of bright red flowers.\" width=\"332\" height=\"498\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1020x1530.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-800x1200.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-160x240.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1024x1536.jpeg 1024w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love.jpeg 1365w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 332px) 100vw, 332px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sean Ripley, seen here posing for a local event, wants KQED listeners to know what’s happening in his city of East Palo Alto. \u003ccite>(Jerry Chang, courtesy of Sean Ripley)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s kind of that part of the conversation, the financial argument on one side, against the kind of, housing and restorative justice aspect on the other side.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sean and his wife own a single-family home in East Palo Alto. As a homeowner, he recognizes that his property value could fall, but in the end, he says he wants to see everyone in his community have an equitable opportunity to grow and thrive.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do care about the value of my house. But I would be willing to take a hit to that value if I knew that the neighbors around me would be able to be uplifted.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: ALWAYS ON THE UP HIP HOP]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because I know that them being uplifted raises everything, including myself. I don’t have to just focus on my property, in my silo, in my small piece of the world — I live in something bigger. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I spoke to Sean in February, a vote was expected on OPA on March 1st, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/03/02/east-palo-alto-tables-considers-diluting-controversial-tenants-rights-ordinance/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">but it’s since been postponed, likely, for up to 10 months.\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This season of Sold Out talked about the loss of small landlords, and how the rise of corporate landlords has led to more evictions. But what makes a small landlord want to stop being a landlord?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny Johnston says so much of being a landlord has changed, and recently, she considered leaving the business.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny lives in a Berkeley duplex she and her husband purchased in 2003, and they started renting it out to help pay their mortgage.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back then, she says identifying a tenant was a lot easier. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: ALWAYS ON THE UP HIP HOP]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY JOHNSTON: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And at that time, we interviewed people and we did a background check, and we checked and saw what they were earning. We kind of basically just said, “Well, I don’t know, did you get a good feeling from those people or not?”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But now, she says the pandemic’s impacts on the economy, plus the eviction moratorium have made it much more challenging to be a landlord.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11809882\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11809882\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-800x523.jpg\" alt=\"Two houses, side by side, one with boarded-up windows.\" width=\"800\" height=\"523\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-800x523.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-160x105.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-1020x666.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-1920x1254.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gov. Gavin Newsom’s moratorium on evictions came after advocacy organizations and some state lawmakers made repeated calls to the governor to provide protection to renters when residents were told to shelter in place. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The criteria have gotten stricter. I needed to make sure that people had almost like an extra cushion, that they would be able to, you know — and maybe I’m very careful — like, you know, what if somebody was working for a restaurant or a bakery? Well, you know, it could shut down if business wasn’t good, right?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It even made Jenny question whether this was still a sustainable source of income.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If I look back that far and I say, hey, if I had gotten out of this and just put the money into some mutual fund in the stock market or something, I would have actually done better.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: PASTIME]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today, companies own at least two-thirds of apartment buildings nationwide — a big change from the late 80’s when a majority of landlords were considered “mom and pop” shops.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny says she knows of other property owners who have stopped renting because the process has become too difficult to manage.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I mean, I understand that during the pandemic the government didn’t want people to be kicked out of their housing because of the lack of rent, but I’ve heard of several cases of other friends of mine who have units who just stopped renting them because they didn’t want to rent out without knowing that they had some control over what was happening on their property.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny says regulations like eviction protections and rent payment postponement, have made renting more labor-intensive, and financially riskier for her.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: PASTIME]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She believes a way out of the crisis is to build more housing, rather than placing more restrictions on the limited housing available.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> If you take a number of places that already exist and start to make a lot of rules about how people can offer those, it doesn’t make more places for people to live, it actually makes it harder.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t hear that point of view very often. And I know that, you know, different people see this in different ways and that, you know, some protections are important, but just trying to make people offer their units in a certain way is not going to create new units or places for people to live.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny continues to rent out her place in Berkeley, and says seeing more houses built in her East Bay community gives her hope.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: Lo Fi Fun Rap]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Next, we’ll hear from two organizers — the experiences that brought them to this work, and the issues they’re determined to solve.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX MELENDREZ: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Housing is a human right.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Alex Melendrez lives with his parents in San Bruno, where he pays rent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And he has a guiding principle for his work.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Everyone deserves a stable home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: Lo Fi Fun Rap]\u003c/b>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As the son of Mexican and Afghan immigrants, Alex is concerned with how the housing crisis has led to overcrowding in immigrant and refugee communities.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many of them will tell you finding permanently affordable housing is the biggest challenge to stabilizing community members who already face large barriers and cultural changes that make adjusting difficult.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not a recipe for success if you do not have a stable home.\u003c/span>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911688\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 372px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-11911688\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-800x1000.jpg\" alt=\"A young man stands in the snow.\" width=\"372\" height=\"465\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-800x1000.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-1020x1275.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-160x200.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-1229x1536.jpg 1229w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 372px) 100vw, 372px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alex Melendrez wrote to KQED wanting to talk about the effects the housing crisis has had on refugee communities. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Alex Melendrez)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Despite all the challenges surrounding the housing crisis, Alex remains hopeful.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: PEACEFUL WONDER]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As cheesy as it sounds, never underestimate your power to be part of the solution. Sending an email, making public comments, participating in an upcoming housing discussion.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I like to say any good organizer who loves policies or the debates around these conversations knows that policy isn’t what organizes people — it’s stories and impact.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: With that, we turn to our final conversation with someone who has experienced eviction very young — Margot Rinaldo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Knowing its effects firsthand has been a huge motivation in Margot’s work today, and it gives her a unique perspective on politics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Her story starts in San Jose — the place where she last felt stability during her childhood.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT RINALDO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was a two-story house. It was like a white building with, like, blue roofs.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I lived in that house until I was 11. What I really remember about that home was like, it was ours, like, it was ours.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of that started changing around 2007, which is when my dad started receiving lots of calls from the bank.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: PEACEFUL WONDER]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then finally, in like 2008, I remember one day my dad telling us, we’re going to lose the house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This was during the Great Recession. Without an immediate place to go, her dad put their belongings in a storage unit.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And I remember, like, just staring at a pile of my toys and thinking to myself, like, I’m not going to be able to take all of these with me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As a child, Margot says she didn’t understand the foreclosure crisis, or why the things that comforted her were now going away.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She has a strong memory of sitting in her dad’s car.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And like looking up at the sky and being like, I hope to God he finds a house soon. Like, that we can be a family again.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot moved around a lot over the next few years — 4 different cities, 3 different high schools, and many different homes.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She told me about the place they moved into after losing her childhood home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The only house we could get was not equipped for people to be living in.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just remember like constantly, like, scratching at my ankles, and like these open sores would be on my ankles for, like, days because of all the flea bites. And we also didn’t have any furniture in that house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Margot says housing instability dominoed into every part of her life.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s largely like a lack of security, a lack of the ability to feel calm, a lack of the ability to relax or, you know, feel confident in your future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That lack of security affected\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot’s grades and social life. She remembers getting a D in Spanish class, despite being a native speaker.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I remember sitting at the Caltrain and, like, thinking, like, there’s no future for me to go to college or anything like that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Margot remained determined to continue her education.\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In her senior year of high school, she worked 40 hours a week to save enough money for the first few months of rent in the college dorms.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then for my 18th birthday present, my dad bought me a chance to take the S.A.T. and so that was my — I remember that was my 18th birthday present.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot’s experiences with the housing crisis set her on her life path.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911349\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 342px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11911349 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1020x1360.jpeg\" alt=\"A young woman with red glasses takes a selfie while in a room decorated with books.\" width=\"342\" height=\"456\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1020x1360.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-800x1067.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-160x213.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1152x1536.jpeg 1152w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1536x2048.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Margot Rinaldo wrote to KQED wanting to share how her childhood shaped her views on housing issues. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Margot Rinaldo)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: NEW INQUIRY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She graduated from Sacramento State in December 2021 with a degree in political science. She now lives in Sacramento and is a community organizer.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She’s \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">also\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> a regular at City Council meetings.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you’re a homeowner, you’re listened to when you call into the City Council meetings and you tell them you don’t like the look of unhoused people living near your neighborhood. They’ll go and sweep those people because you’re a homeowner, like, you matter.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s clear to me is, like, certain people’s housing is a priority.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: NEW INQUIRY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What Margot has learned throughout her childhood, her studies and her involvement in the community is that housing instability and displacement is not a failure of individuals.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a collective failure of our society. Especially for folks who have gone through so much housing insecurity like it’s really important to like, reclaim your sense of self.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As for solutions, Margot has a lot of ideas on how we can begin to chip away at the housing crisis, starting with more action from government leaders.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>You know, o\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ur local representatives need to start advocating at the state level. If they are being burdened by state policies that are not allowing them to move quickly enough for renters or for unhoused people, like, they need to start advocating at the state level. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And she’s got some advice on how to get started.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I hope if any young people are listening like you have power — you do have power. It takes a bit to organize and to, like, get to know where your supporters are in your community, but they’re there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not only should you join an organization, but you should also be, like, reevaluating possibly how your individual circumstances are connected to the larger community around you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: LEAVING THE CITY]\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When I think of home, I think about how every time I go to the Bay now, I take the Amtrak. When I get off the Amtrak, the bus transfer is right in front of the biggest Chase Bank building you’ve ever seen. When I sit across the street from that building, I wonder who is allowed in the highest levels of that building?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know that my view of San Francisco is really different than theirs. And so in those moments, I’m really overcome with, like, bittersweet homesickness. That reminds me of when I was growing up there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I feel like the Bay Area for me has always been an art gallery, where the paintings are placed really high so only the tallest people are ever able to see them. And then as I’ve gotten older, I’ve been able to identify that the place that I’ve always considered home has always seemed to reject me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot has been dedicating her energy on political education, by organizing teach-ins on Sacramento’s history of housing segregation, how housing policies work, and how to inspire greater local advocacy.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you to everyone who shared their stories with me. That’s Cam Coulter, Ernesto Anguiano, Eva Hopkins, and Sean Ripley, Jenny Johnston, Alex Melendrez, and Margot Rinaldo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: LEAVING THE CITY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And to the many others who shared their housing experiences — thank you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[THEME MUSIC IN] \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For those of you who haven’t gotten in touch — and still want to — we’re here! Send us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:housing@kqed.org\">housing@kqed.org\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We always want to hear your experiences and your biggest, boldest and wildest idea for the future of housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERIN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was Sold Out producer Natalia Aldana.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you to everyone who shared a tweet, Instagram post, or called and emailed us.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sold Out is a production of KQED. Natalia Aldana reported and produced this story. Editing by Kyana Moghadam and Jessica Placzek. Additional support came from Erika Kelly, Molly Solomon, and me, Erin Baldassari.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>MOLLY: \u003c/strong>Brendan Willard is our sound engineer. And Rob Speight wrote our theme song. Gerald Fermin is our engagement intern.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We couldn’t have made this season without Ethan Toven-Lindsey, Holly Kernan, Erika Aguilar and Vinnee Tong.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>ERIN: \u003c/strong>Thanks so much for listening. That’s a wrap!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[THEME MUSIC OUT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700529700,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":168,"wordCount":4285},"headData":{"title":"Bonus: Your Stories and Solutions for the Housing Crisis | KQED","description":"What are your biggest ideas on how to solve the housing crisis? How has housing shaped your life? Throughout this season, we wanted to hear from you — the Sold Out audience. We asked you to get in touch, and you came through! 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How has housing shaped your life?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Throughout this season, we wanted to hear from you — the Sold Out audience. We asked you to get in touch, and you came through!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">From voice memos to emails and social media, dozens of listeners reached out and shared stories of housing insecurity and loss, advocacy work, and visions for an equitable housing future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In this bonus episode, hear from seven people for whom housing is at the center of everything. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch5 id=\"embed-code\" class=\"inconsolata\">\n\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC9285725518&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/h5>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[TRANSCRIPT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>MOLLY SOLOMON: \u003c/strong>Hi! I’m Molly Solomon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ERIN BALDASSARI: \u003c/strong>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m Erin Baldassari. You’re listening to Sold Out: Rethinking Housing in America, and today we’ve got something special for you from producer Natalia Aldana.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Take it away, Natalia.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[SOLD OUT THEME MUSIC BEGINS]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11841421\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 451px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-11841421\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-800x530.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"451\" height=\"299\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-800x530.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-1020x676.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-160x106.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-1536x1018.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 451px) 100vw, 451px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A red for sale sign outside a home with a “sold pending” sticker posted across the front. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA ALDANA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When it comes to the housing crisis, every Californian has something to say about it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT RINALDO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Man, it’s like — it’s like the air we breathe. It is literally, like, a fact of life if you live in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>NATALIA: \u003c/strong>We can all point to how it’s impacted us — affected our families, our neighborhoods, and our livelihoods.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Throughout this season of Sold Out, we’ve been asking for your thoughts and experiences when it comes to housing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So many of you got in touch. And today, you’ll hear from seven people whose stories might challenge you, empathize with you, and hopefully, inspire you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC – DECK LOFI]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">First up, we have a listener who wants us to rethink how we live — literally\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">who we share a roof with, and how the \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">way \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">we understand family impacts our housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam Coulter rents an apartment with his partner in San Jose. And Cam thinks the housing system favors homeowners. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM COULTER: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is probably a little hot-take, but I wish I could write off my rent payments as tax-deductible.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam recognizes that tax incentives are meant to motivate homeownership. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And that might work in other parts of the country. But here I feel like it really just punishes the people who can’t afford to buy a home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although rent is not tax-deductible in California — the state does award a $60 renters tax credit for qualifying single filers who earn less than $43,533 a year. Since Cam and I last spoke, \u003ca href=\"https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/californias-renter-tax-credit-has-remained-unchanged-for-43-years-it-could-soon-increase/ar-AAW402s\">a state bill has been proposed that could potentially increase that credit to $500.\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – DECK LOFI OUT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While Cam\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> doesn’t really want to buy a h\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ome, they do want to build equity.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I see the way that the desire to own a home is sort of constructed by the fact that it’s a great way to build wealth and have long-term stability. But I wish there were other ways to achieve that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911686\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 334px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-11911686\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-800x800.jpeg\" alt=\"A person sits on the grass.\" width=\"334\" height=\"334\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-800x800.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1020x1020.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-160x160.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1536x1536.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1920x1920.jpeg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 334px) 100vw, 334px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cam Coulter wants KQED listeners to reimagine who we consider family, and how that might improve the housing crisis. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Cam Coulter)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> As for their other pie in the sky: Cam wants more \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.ic.org/what-is-an-intentional-community-30th-birthday-day-13/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">intentional housing or co-housing communities\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I stop and dream about what, like, a beautiful, sustainable, healthy future would look like, I see housing that looks more like this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve lived in intentional community before, and I’d like to do that again in the future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN – \u003c/b>\u003cb>SUNKISSED]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Live not just with my own, how to say, like, nuclear family, but with other people, and to share space with them, share grocery budgets, do communal activities.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would love to live in a co-housing community where my partner and I could have some of our own space but also share common spaces with community. I would love to live in, like, a larger, multi-family home where maybe four to 10 adults, or kids, could comfortably live together without overcrowding.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And this could benefit a lot of multi-generational families who I know are already overcrowded in their small single-family home. I think we have too few of those options.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – \u003c/b>\u003cb>SUNKISSED]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam is nonbinary, and says the connection between queer and trans folks living in found families has probably influenced this perspective.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One thing that makes me frustrated is that so many of the housing units we have are designed for a nuclear family. Or perhaps, you know, you can have maybe grandparents or something, but they’re really designed as like single-family homes or small apartments, or just one or a couple of people. But that’s not really what I want.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One of the largest barriers to\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">building more co-housing is, no surprise, money. But,\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam is cheering on organizations like the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://southbayclt.org/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">South Bay Community Land Trust\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which is working on acquiring their \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://southbayclt.org/capital-campaign-reed-st-acquisition/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">first community-owned house in San Jose\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam believes co-housing can have additional benefits, like boosting our social health.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s like a really big issue these days, is that so many people are isolated. And when I lived in community before, I really loved just constantly having people around. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It did a lot of good for me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN – SEARCHING FOR TREASURE]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our next listener knows that\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the housing crisis should be attacked on every single front. So Santa Cruz renter Ernesto Anguiano is setting his sights on a culprit that some might consider a friend.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You see… Ernesto wants to see cities change their zoning laws to allow for more multi-family housing. And he wants to see Bay Area cities built denser. He thinks one way to achieve that is by rethinking parking.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911347\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 536px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11911347 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1020x689.jpg\" alt=\"A man stands on a mountainside with a board.\" width=\"536\" height=\"362\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1020x689.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-800x540.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-160x108.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1536x1038.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA.jpg 1818w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 536px) 100vw, 536px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ernesto Anguiano rents in Santa Cruz and wants listeners to consider how their car might impact the housing crisis. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Ernesto Anguiano)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – SEARCHING FOR TREASURE]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There’s a lot of things that affect your ability to purchase a home. And the parking one was a unique aspect on it\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When there are parking minimums for housing developments\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, spaces for cars eat up what could be spaces for housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So you’re essentially subsidizing that parking space that you could be building valuable housing in.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Ernesto sees it, denser cities create more transit options, so reducing a dependency on cars can help the environment, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and makes it possible to afford a home. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of these changes can help the housing crisis.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, everybody should have the opportunity and the ability to live where they want to live. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if you want to have, you know, your single-family home, or your single-family neighborhood, you know, I can respect that. But at the same time, you have to give others the opportunity to live in that same neighborhood.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: WURLY REGGAETON]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ernesto knows folks have a reliance on cars, but he hopes he’s planted the seed for more conversations in the future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Next, we turn to Eva Hopkins who has a vision for Oakland, her hometown. She has big thoughts on gentrification and ways to address it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA HOPKINS:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You have to at least have one point something million dollars to get a good house, in a good area, in Oakland. And I essentially got priced out of Oakland.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When we spoke Eva had just sold her condo in Emeryville and was preparing to move into her new home in Hercules. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: WURLY REGGAETON]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She sees how Oakland has changed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11830938\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11830938\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Single-family homes near MacArthur BART station in Oakland, on Feb. 21, 2020. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All these developers coming in, and I’m going to say, white developers, coming in and kicking us all out, rebuilding stuff, and making it unaffordable for the people that were there before. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Where you could have been paying $1,000 for rent, now you’re paying $4,000 for rent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: DIZZY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because if you talk about poverty, and stuff like that, you’re pushing us into poverty because we can’t afford this, and people don’t have anywhere to go. So where does that push them? When you push them out, that pushes them on the streets, and there’s poverty right there, right? So it’s basically keeping us from rising on top, and pushing us straight to the bottom.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s really important that when there are major developers coming in and redeveloping places, that they are community-driven. Get those construction companies that are in the community that you’re building in and get those residents working somehow, someway on this project so that they can live in the places that they build.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it’s not just Oakland\u003c/span>\u003cb> — \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eva works at a non-profit in San Francisco, and points to the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://sf-hrc.org/sites/default/files/Dream%20Keeper%20Initiative_One%20Pager.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Dream Keeper Initiative\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> as one tool to address gentrification there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: DIZZY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a city-wide effort to reinvest $120 million from law enforcement into San Francisco’s Black community. $10 million is allocated for housing and homeownership.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Eva navigated the buyer and seller’s market these past few months, she said similar programs and initiatives really helped her, and she hopes prospective home buyers will take advantage of resources out there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They are making it possible for people of color, and you know us, to buy homes, so take advantage of it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Taking advantage of programs is just one way to stabilize communities. But while that may not have been enough to help Eva own in Oakland, she said she’s proud to live in a Bay Area city and remain near her mom and brother.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC TRANSITION]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> We’re going to take a quick break. Coming up, one listener points to some legislation they think could make waves in affordability, a landlord who considered leaving the business, and someone who shows us the devastating effects of displacement.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MIDROLL – ADVERTISEMENT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sean Ripley emailed us wanting to talk about a controversial policy in his city. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Opportunity to Purchase Act, or OPA, would give current tenants, as well as qualifying nonprofits, the first shot at buying certain residential properties.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN RIPLEY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The hope is that this will create housing that has a permanent affordability to it, like the housing preservation that will happen over time.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although OPA has been discussed in the city since \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cityofepa.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/housing/page/20967/2021.10.05_ppt_epa_opportunity_to_purchase_act_final.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2018\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, it was first formally considered by the East Palo Alto City Council in \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cityofepa.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/housing/page/20967/2021.10.05_ppt_epa_opportunity_to_purchase_act_final.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">October 2021\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — and the disagreements soon followed, through Facebook forums and city protests.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">According to the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.noepaopa.com/home\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">NO to EPA OPA\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> website, one of the arguments against this ordinance is that it could damage the single-family housing market and property values.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911350\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 332px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11911350 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1020x1530.jpeg\" alt=\"A man smiles at the camera while wearing a bright red jacket, in front of a wall of bright red flowers.\" width=\"332\" height=\"498\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1020x1530.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-800x1200.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-160x240.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1024x1536.jpeg 1024w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love.jpeg 1365w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 332px) 100vw, 332px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sean Ripley, seen here posing for a local event, wants KQED listeners to know what’s happening in his city of East Palo Alto. \u003ccite>(Jerry Chang, courtesy of Sean Ripley)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s kind of that part of the conversation, the financial argument on one side, against the kind of, housing and restorative justice aspect on the other side.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sean and his wife own a single-family home in East Palo Alto. As a homeowner, he recognizes that his property value could fall, but in the end, he says he wants to see everyone in his community have an equitable opportunity to grow and thrive.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do care about the value of my house. But I would be willing to take a hit to that value if I knew that the neighbors around me would be able to be uplifted.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: ALWAYS ON THE UP HIP HOP]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because I know that them being uplifted raises everything, including myself. I don’t have to just focus on my property, in my silo, in my small piece of the world — I live in something bigger. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I spoke to Sean in February, a vote was expected on OPA on March 1st, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/03/02/east-palo-alto-tables-considers-diluting-controversial-tenants-rights-ordinance/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">but it’s since been postponed, likely, for up to 10 months.\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This season of Sold Out talked about the loss of small landlords, and how the rise of corporate landlords has led to more evictions. But what makes a small landlord want to stop being a landlord?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny Johnston says so much of being a landlord has changed, and recently, she considered leaving the business.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny lives in a Berkeley duplex she and her husband purchased in 2003, and they started renting it out to help pay their mortgage.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back then, she says identifying a tenant was a lot easier. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: ALWAYS ON THE UP HIP HOP]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY JOHNSTON: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And at that time, we interviewed people and we did a background check, and we checked and saw what they were earning. We kind of basically just said, “Well, I don’t know, did you get a good feeling from those people or not?”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But now, she says the pandemic’s impacts on the economy, plus the eviction moratorium have made it much more challenging to be a landlord.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11809882\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11809882\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-800x523.jpg\" alt=\"Two houses, side by side, one with boarded-up windows.\" width=\"800\" height=\"523\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-800x523.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-160x105.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-1020x666.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-1920x1254.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gov. Gavin Newsom’s moratorium on evictions came after advocacy organizations and some state lawmakers made repeated calls to the governor to provide protection to renters when residents were told to shelter in place. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The criteria have gotten stricter. I needed to make sure that people had almost like an extra cushion, that they would be able to, you know — and maybe I’m very careful — like, you know, what if somebody was working for a restaurant or a bakery? Well, you know, it could shut down if business wasn’t good, right?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It even made Jenny question whether this was still a sustainable source of income.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If I look back that far and I say, hey, if I had gotten out of this and just put the money into some mutual fund in the stock market or something, I would have actually done better.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: PASTIME]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today, companies own at least two-thirds of apartment buildings nationwide — a big change from the late 80’s when a majority of landlords were considered “mom and pop” shops.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny says she knows of other property owners who have stopped renting because the process has become too difficult to manage.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I mean, I understand that during the pandemic the government didn’t want people to be kicked out of their housing because of the lack of rent, but I’ve heard of several cases of other friends of mine who have units who just stopped renting them because they didn’t want to rent out without knowing that they had some control over what was happening on their property.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny says regulations like eviction protections and rent payment postponement, have made renting more labor-intensive, and financially riskier for her.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: PASTIME]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She believes a way out of the crisis is to build more housing, rather than placing more restrictions on the limited housing available.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> If you take a number of places that already exist and start to make a lot of rules about how people can offer those, it doesn’t make more places for people to live, it actually makes it harder.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t hear that point of view very often. And I know that, you know, different people see this in different ways and that, you know, some protections are important, but just trying to make people offer their units in a certain way is not going to create new units or places for people to live.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny continues to rent out her place in Berkeley, and says seeing more houses built in her East Bay community gives her hope.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: Lo Fi Fun Rap]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Next, we’ll hear from two organizers — the experiences that brought them to this work, and the issues they’re determined to solve.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX MELENDREZ: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Housing is a human right.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Alex Melendrez lives with his parents in San Bruno, where he pays rent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And he has a guiding principle for his work.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Everyone deserves a stable home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: Lo Fi Fun Rap]\u003c/b>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As the son of Mexican and Afghan immigrants, Alex is concerned with how the housing crisis has led to overcrowding in immigrant and refugee communities.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many of them will tell you finding permanently affordable housing is the biggest challenge to stabilizing community members who already face large barriers and cultural changes that make adjusting difficult.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not a recipe for success if you do not have a stable home.\u003c/span>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911688\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 372px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-11911688\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-800x1000.jpg\" alt=\"A young man stands in the snow.\" width=\"372\" height=\"465\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-800x1000.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-1020x1275.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-160x200.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-1229x1536.jpg 1229w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 372px) 100vw, 372px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alex Melendrez wrote to KQED wanting to talk about the effects the housing crisis has had on refugee communities. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Alex Melendrez)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Despite all the challenges surrounding the housing crisis, Alex remains hopeful.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: PEACEFUL WONDER]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As cheesy as it sounds, never underestimate your power to be part of the solution. Sending an email, making public comments, participating in an upcoming housing discussion.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I like to say any good organizer who loves policies or the debates around these conversations knows that policy isn’t what organizes people — it’s stories and impact.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: With that, we turn to our final conversation with someone who has experienced eviction very young — Margot Rinaldo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Knowing its effects firsthand has been a huge motivation in Margot’s work today, and it gives her a unique perspective on politics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Her story starts in San Jose — the place where she last felt stability during her childhood.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT RINALDO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was a two-story house. It was like a white building with, like, blue roofs.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I lived in that house until I was 11. What I really remember about that home was like, it was ours, like, it was ours.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of that started changing around 2007, which is when my dad started receiving lots of calls from the bank.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: PEACEFUL WONDER]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then finally, in like 2008, I remember one day my dad telling us, we’re going to lose the house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This was during the Great Recession. Without an immediate place to go, her dad put their belongings in a storage unit.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And I remember, like, just staring at a pile of my toys and thinking to myself, like, I’m not going to be able to take all of these with me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As a child, Margot says she didn’t understand the foreclosure crisis, or why the things that comforted her were now going away.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She has a strong memory of sitting in her dad’s car.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And like looking up at the sky and being like, I hope to God he finds a house soon. Like, that we can be a family again.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot moved around a lot over the next few years — 4 different cities, 3 different high schools, and many different homes.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She told me about the place they moved into after losing her childhood home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The only house we could get was not equipped for people to be living in.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just remember like constantly, like, scratching at my ankles, and like these open sores would be on my ankles for, like, days because of all the flea bites. And we also didn’t have any furniture in that house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Margot says housing instability dominoed into every part of her life.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s largely like a lack of security, a lack of the ability to feel calm, a lack of the ability to relax or, you know, feel confident in your future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That lack of security affected\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot’s grades and social life. She remembers getting a D in Spanish class, despite being a native speaker.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I remember sitting at the Caltrain and, like, thinking, like, there’s no future for me to go to college or anything like that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Margot remained determined to continue her education.\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In her senior year of high school, she worked 40 hours a week to save enough money for the first few months of rent in the college dorms.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then for my 18th birthday present, my dad bought me a chance to take the S.A.T. and so that was my — I remember that was my 18th birthday present.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot’s experiences with the housing crisis set her on her life path.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911349\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 342px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11911349 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1020x1360.jpeg\" alt=\"A young woman with red glasses takes a selfie while in a room decorated with books.\" width=\"342\" height=\"456\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1020x1360.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-800x1067.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-160x213.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1152x1536.jpeg 1152w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1536x2048.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Margot Rinaldo wrote to KQED wanting to share how her childhood shaped her views on housing issues. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Margot Rinaldo)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: NEW INQUIRY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She graduated from Sacramento State in December 2021 with a degree in political science. She now lives in Sacramento and is a community organizer.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She’s \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">also\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> a regular at City Council meetings.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you’re a homeowner, you’re listened to when you call into the City Council meetings and you tell them you don’t like the look of unhoused people living near your neighborhood. They’ll go and sweep those people because you’re a homeowner, like, you matter.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s clear to me is, like, certain people’s housing is a priority.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: NEW INQUIRY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What Margot has learned throughout her childhood, her studies and her involvement in the community is that housing instability and displacement is not a failure of individuals.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a collective failure of our society. Especially for folks who have gone through so much housing insecurity like it’s really important to like, reclaim your sense of self.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As for solutions, Margot has a lot of ideas on how we can begin to chip away at the housing crisis, starting with more action from government leaders.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>You know, o\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ur local representatives need to start advocating at the state level. If they are being burdened by state policies that are not allowing them to move quickly enough for renters or for unhoused people, like, they need to start advocating at the state level. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And she’s got some advice on how to get started.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I hope if any young people are listening like you have power — you do have power. It takes a bit to organize and to, like, get to know where your supporters are in your community, but they’re there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not only should you join an organization, but you should also be, like, reevaluating possibly how your individual circumstances are connected to the larger community around you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: LEAVING THE CITY]\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When I think of home, I think about how every time I go to the Bay now, I take the Amtrak. When I get off the Amtrak, the bus transfer is right in front of the biggest Chase Bank building you’ve ever seen. When I sit across the street from that building, I wonder who is allowed in the highest levels of that building?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know that my view of San Francisco is really different than theirs. And so in those moments, I’m really overcome with, like, bittersweet homesickness. That reminds me of when I was growing up there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I feel like the Bay Area for me has always been an art gallery, where the paintings are placed really high so only the tallest people are ever able to see them. And then as I’ve gotten older, I’ve been able to identify that the place that I’ve always considered home has always seemed to reject me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot has been dedicating her energy on political education, by organizing teach-ins on Sacramento’s history of housing segregation, how housing policies work, and how to inspire greater local advocacy.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you to everyone who shared their stories with me. That’s Cam Coulter, Ernesto Anguiano, Eva Hopkins, and Sean Ripley, Jenny Johnston, Alex Melendrez, and Margot Rinaldo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: LEAVING THE CITY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And to the many others who shared their housing experiences — thank you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[THEME MUSIC IN] \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For those of you who haven’t gotten in touch — and still want to — we’re here! Send us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:housing@kqed.org\">housing@kqed.org\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We always want to hear your experiences and your biggest, boldest and wildest idea for the future of housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERIN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was Sold Out producer Natalia Aldana.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you to everyone who shared a tweet, Instagram post, or called and emailed us.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sold Out is a production of KQED. Natalia Aldana reported and produced this story. Editing by Kyana Moghadam and Jessica Placzek. Additional support came from Erika Kelly, Molly Solomon, and me, Erin Baldassari.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>MOLLY: \u003c/strong>Brendan Willard is our sound engineer. And Rob Speight wrote our theme song. Gerald Fermin is our engagement intern.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We couldn’t have made this season without Ethan Toven-Lindsey, Holly Kernan, Erika Aguilar and Vinnee Tong.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>ERIN: \u003c/strong>Thanks so much for listening. That’s a wrap!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[THEME MUSIC OUT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11911130/bonus-your-stories-and-solutions-for-the-housing-crisis","authors":["11793","11637"],"programs":["news_33522"],"categories":["news_8","news_33520"],"tags":["news_3921","news_129","news_18538","news_30935","news_30936","news_22960","news_4612","news_19542","news_27626","news_4020","news_1775","news_21358","news_30937","news_28082","news_30934","news_18","news_28426","news_20967","news_95","news_38","news_18541","news_28541","news_28527","news_21285","news_423"],"featImg":"news_11837953","label":"source_news_11911130"},"news_11865234":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11865234","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11865234","score":null,"sort":[1616083335000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"building-trust-in-our-department-is-top-priority-says-new-san-jose-police-chief","title":"Building 'Trust in Our Department' Is Top Priority, Says New San Jose Police Chief","publishDate":1616083335,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>San Jose Deputy Police Chief Anthony Mata, who was selected this week as the city's next head cop, says his top priority is regaining public trust in the department after a year of civil unrest and often tense relations with police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My vision is that every resident and every visitor here has that high confidence and trust in our department that we'll help them out whenever they need [it],\" Mata said during a press conference Wednesday. \"We’re always open to improve what we do, our processes. So yes, I’ve been part of that change and I will continue to do so to make our department better and our community safer.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mata was unanimously confirmed as San Jose's chief of police by the City Council on Tuesday and will take the reins on March 22. He was one of four finalists for the position following former Police Chief Eddie Garcia's departure announcement last summer and the city's subsequent seven-month nationwide search to find his replacement. Garcia has since become Dallas' police chief.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mata has served with the SJPD since 1996, slowly making his way up the ranks. He currently oversees various units, including the crime data center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo on Wednesday threw his support behind Mata and the department he will soon lead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Let me emphasize this great department,\" he said. \"That doesn't mean that we don't have our share of problems, that doesn't mean there are plenty of reforms that we need to enact in partnership with our community, but we have a great police department.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The department drew fierce criticism last summer for its heavy-handed response to mostly peaceful protests held in the city's downtown following the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two Northern California civil rights groups \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11864376/san-jose-demonstrators-sue-accuse-police-of-excessive-force-during-george-floyd-protests\">sued the city\u003c/a> earlier this month, accusing the department of using excessive force. The class-action suit seeks reforms and compensation for at least 28 people who were injured as police used teargas, flashbang grenades, rubber bullets and batons to break up the crowd.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The plaintiffs include Derrick Sanderlin, a community activist and one-time police bias trainer, who was trying to de-escalate tensions between police and protesters when he was hit in the groin with a rubber bullet. Another protester lost his right eye in the melee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Liccardo and other city leaders have since proposed \u003ca href=\"https://www.sanjoseca.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1480/4959\">various police reforms\u003c/a>. To that end, Mata said he intends to work closely with communities of color in San Jose to build a shared vision of policing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His hire, though, is not without controversy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1999, \u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/11/as-san-jose-nears-police-chief-selection-who-can-best-usher-in-change/\">Mata killed Odest Mitchell\u003c/a>, a 48-year-old Black man suspected of participating in an armed robbery in Salinas. Mata said he thought Mitchell was carrying a firearm, and shot him four times as he tried running away from officers onto a freeway ramp. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"san-jose-police\"]Prosecutors later discovered Mitchell was holding a pair of sunglasses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mata was ultimately found to have acted “within the justifiable use-of-force provisions,\" according to the Salinas police chief. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday, Mata referenced the incident, saying he still feels remorse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It was a traumatic incident that changed my life and it's something that I don't want any officer to go through,\" Mata said. \"My continued thoughts and prayers go out to that family.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/san-jose-backs-new-sjpd-chief-despite-allegations-of-transphobia-islamophobia/\">2018 lawsuit\u003c/a>, Mata was also accused of presiding over a police briefing in which Islamophobic comments were allegedly made to harass a Lebanese American officer — an incident Mata said happened when he was not in the room. And just this week, a former SJPD officer, who is transgender, \u003ca href=\"https://abc7news.com/san-jose-police-chief-anthony-mata-transgender-women-lgtbq-rights/10421378/\">told ABC7 News\u003c/a> that Mata made unsettling comments to her in a conversation in which he refused to support her transition. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assemblymembers Alex Lee and Evan Low, both Democrats who represent parts of the city, issued a joint statement opposing the city's selection of Mata. (Lee is also one of the plaintiffs in the suit against the department over its protest response.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"At a time when the department needs bold leadership to move forward, San Jose has instead turned to an insider whose own record — killing an unarmed man, along with allegations of Islamophobia and transphobia — should immediately disqualify him from consideration,\" the two lawmakers said in the statement. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday, Mata acknowledged the gap in trust and the steep challenges he and his department face.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I stand before you today, not as a person with all the answers or with solutions, but as a person who is fully committed to working with you and finding solutions,\" he said. \"We cannot underestimate the importance of continuing to build strong community ties. Together we will achieve our shared vision of policing here in San Jose.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Anthony Mata steps into his new role as San Jose's chief of police as the city recovers from a year of civil unrest and often tense relations with police. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1616088753,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":819},"headData":{"title":"Building 'Trust in Our Department' Is Top Priority, Says New San Jose Police Chief | KQED","description":"Anthony Mata steps into his new role as San Jose's chief of police as the city recovers from a year of civil unrest and often tense relations with police. 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So yes, I’ve been part of that change and I will continue to do so to make our department better and our community safer.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mata was unanimously confirmed as San Jose's chief of police by the City Council on Tuesday and will take the reins on March 22. He was one of four finalists for the position following former Police Chief Eddie Garcia's departure announcement last summer and the city's subsequent seven-month nationwide search to find his replacement. Garcia has since become Dallas' police chief.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mata has served with the SJPD since 1996, slowly making his way up the ranks. He currently oversees various units, including the crime data center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo on Wednesday threw his support behind Mata and the department he will soon lead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Let me emphasize this great department,\" he said. \"That doesn't mean that we don't have our share of problems, that doesn't mean there are plenty of reforms that we need to enact in partnership with our community, but we have a great police department.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The department drew fierce criticism last summer for its heavy-handed response to mostly peaceful protests held in the city's downtown following the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two Northern California civil rights groups \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11864376/san-jose-demonstrators-sue-accuse-police-of-excessive-force-during-george-floyd-protests\">sued the city\u003c/a> earlier this month, accusing the department of using excessive force. The class-action suit seeks reforms and compensation for at least 28 people who were injured as police used teargas, flashbang grenades, rubber bullets and batons to break up the crowd.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The plaintiffs include Derrick Sanderlin, a community activist and one-time police bias trainer, who was trying to de-escalate tensions between police and protesters when he was hit in the groin with a rubber bullet. Another protester lost his right eye in the melee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Liccardo and other city leaders have since proposed \u003ca href=\"https://www.sanjoseca.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1480/4959\">various police reforms\u003c/a>. To that end, Mata said he intends to work closely with communities of color in San Jose to build a shared vision of policing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His hire, though, is not without controversy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1999, \u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/11/as-san-jose-nears-police-chief-selection-who-can-best-usher-in-change/\">Mata killed Odest Mitchell\u003c/a>, a 48-year-old Black man suspected of participating in an armed robbery in Salinas. Mata said he thought Mitchell was carrying a firearm, and shot him four times as he tried running away from officers onto a freeway ramp. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"san-jose-police"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Prosecutors later discovered Mitchell was holding a pair of sunglasses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mata was ultimately found to have acted “within the justifiable use-of-force provisions,\" according to the Salinas police chief. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday, Mata referenced the incident, saying he still feels remorse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It was a traumatic incident that changed my life and it's something that I don't want any officer to go through,\" Mata said. \"My continued thoughts and prayers go out to that family.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/san-jose-backs-new-sjpd-chief-despite-allegations-of-transphobia-islamophobia/\">2018 lawsuit\u003c/a>, Mata was also accused of presiding over a police briefing in which Islamophobic comments were allegedly made to harass a Lebanese American officer — an incident Mata said happened when he was not in the room. And just this week, a former SJPD officer, who is transgender, \u003ca href=\"https://abc7news.com/san-jose-police-chief-anthony-mata-transgender-women-lgtbq-rights/10421378/\">told ABC7 News\u003c/a> that Mata made unsettling comments to her in a conversation in which he refused to support her transition. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assemblymembers Alex Lee and Evan Low, both Democrats who represent parts of the city, issued a joint statement opposing the city's selection of Mata. (Lee is also one of the plaintiffs in the suit against the department over its protest response.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"At a time when the department needs bold leadership to move forward, San Jose has instead turned to an insider whose own record — killing an unarmed man, along with allegations of Islamophobia and transphobia — should immediately disqualify him from consideration,\" the two lawmakers said in the statement. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday, Mata acknowledged the gap in trust and the steep challenges he and his department face.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I stand before you today, not as a person with all the answers or with solutions, but as a person who is fully committed to working with you and finding solutions,\" he said. \"We cannot underestimate the importance of continuing to build strong community ties. Together we will achieve our shared vision of policing here in San Jose.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11865234/building-trust-in-our-department-is-top-priority-says-new-san-jose-police-chief","authors":["11672","1263"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_27510","news_116","news_22850","news_6413","news_18541","news_667","news_5295","news_353","news_21285"],"featImg":"news_11865322","label":"news"},"news_11853032":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11853032","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11853032","score":null,"sort":[1609366428000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"pandemic-delivers-a-bloom-boom-for-plant-shops","title":"Pandemic Delivers a Bloom Boom for Plant Shops","publishDate":1609366428,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Like many small business owners, Yuri Kim has seen a lot of highs and lows during the pandemic. She received a Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loan for her San Jose plant shop, \u003ca href=\"https://www.fractalflora.com/\">Fractal Flora\u003c/a>, in May, which helped pay the rent for a few months, but she had to lay off her six part-time employees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Should I even continue this business, or does it make more sense to just close it down?\" Kim said she asked herself, repeatedly. \"I'm so happy that I have an opportunity to still be here.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fractal Flora was part of San Jose's \u003ca href=\"https://www.moment-sj.com/\">Moment\u003c/a> program, a small-business incubator in the city's downtown that provides subsidized rent in converted garage spaces in San Pedro Square. After two years, the shops have to move out and find their own spaces. As her involvement with Moment rolled to a close, Kim was able to open a new store just a few miles away in the Rose Garden neighborhood of San Jose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11853186\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11853186\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-800x600.jpeg\" alt=\"Kim's store is one of the few small businesses surviving during the pandemic. During the holidays, Kim noticed more people buying plants as gifts.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1020x765.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-160x120.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1536x1152.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-2048x1536.jpeg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1920x1440.jpeg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1832x1374.jpeg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1376x1032.jpeg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1044x783.jpeg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-632x474.jpeg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-536x402.jpeg 536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yuri Kim's store is one of the few small businesses surviving during the pandemic. During the holidays, Kim noticed more people buying plants as gifts. \u003ccite>(Adhiti Bandlamudi/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>During the first few months of the pandemic, Kim was selling less than what she was last year. But as the year wore on, sales slowly started to pick up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As you spend more time home and you're less able to go outside, you want to make your space comfortable and beautiful,\" Kim said. \"Even the suppliers we purchase our plants from say their business has been better now than pre-pandemic because the interest in plants has grown so much.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The sudden demand for succulents and pothos plants is no surprise to Rob Shibata, the owner of\u003ca href=\"http://www.mteden.com/\"> Mt. Eden Floral Company\u003c/a>, one of the largest floral wholesalers in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The millennials have shown a lot of interest in green plants,\" Shibata said. \"They're apartment dwellers. They don't have a lot of space, but they want to have something alive and meaningful to keep them company.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11853187\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11853187\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Fractal Flora sells a collection of house plants and fresh flowers. While the plant industry has seen an uptick in sales, the flower industry is slowly struggling by as it's reliant on large events that are restricted during the pandemic.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-536x402.jpg 536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Fractal Flora sells a collection of house plants and fresh flowers. While the plant industry has seen an uptick in sales, the flower industry is slowly struggling by since it's reliant on large events that are restricted during the pandemic. \u003ccite>(Adhiti Bandlamudi/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That said, even though Mt. Eden Floral Company has benefited some from the boom in plant sales, the 114-year-old company specializes in flowers. Shibata makes most of his money on orders for weddings, banquets and other large events that won't be permitted for the foreseeable future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We have enough business to subsist,\" Shibata said. \"But we're missing that event part to make us whole.\"[aside postID=\"news_11852317,arts_13885663,science_1967293\" label=\"Related Coverage\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shibata is waiting on Valentine's Day and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11816925/bay-area-florists-wilting-under-shelter-in-place-restrictions\">Mother's Day\u003c/a>, two of the biggest days of the year for the flower industry, to bring a bump to sales. In the meantime, he's hoping people continue to buy flowers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I kind of had this imaginary conversation with my dad,\" Shibata said. His late father ran the company before he died in 2015. \"And I heard him say, 'Well, [the pandemic] is not like the problem we had.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shibata's father ran the company during the 1940s and World War II. In 1942, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, more than 120,000 Japanese Americans, including Shibata's father, were sent to concentration camps in California and beyond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He [would say], 'When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and the government came and we were forced to leave our business behind with one week's notice and leave our homes behind with one week's notice ... that was a problem,' \" Shibata said. \"As terrible as it is for us, it wasn't like ... what they went through.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Given that, Shibata says he's determined to get Mt. Eden Floral Company to its 115th year of service.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The house plant industry has been doing surprisingly well during the coronavirus pandemic as people seek to beautify their homes.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1609373437,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":16,"wordCount":664},"headData":{"title":"Pandemic Delivers a Bloom Boom for Plant Shops | KQED","description":"The house plant industry has been doing surprisingly well during the coronavirus pandemic as people seek to beautify their homes.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Pandemic Delivers a Bloom Boom for Plant Shops","datePublished":"2020-12-30T22:13:48.000Z","dateModified":"2020-12-31T00:10:37.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11853032 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11853032","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2020/12/30/pandemic-delivers-a-bloom-boom-for-plant-shops/","disqusTitle":"Pandemic Delivers a Bloom Boom for Plant Shops","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/RDnews/2020/12/BandlamudiPlantBusinessCOVID.mp3","path":"/news/11853032/pandemic-delivers-a-bloom-boom-for-plant-shops","audioDuration":92000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Like many small business owners, Yuri Kim has seen a lot of highs and lows during the pandemic. She received a Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loan for her San Jose plant shop, \u003ca href=\"https://www.fractalflora.com/\">Fractal Flora\u003c/a>, in May, which helped pay the rent for a few months, but she had to lay off her six part-time employees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Should I even continue this business, or does it make more sense to just close it down?\" Kim said she asked herself, repeatedly. \"I'm so happy that I have an opportunity to still be here.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fractal Flora was part of San Jose's \u003ca href=\"https://www.moment-sj.com/\">Moment\u003c/a> program, a small-business incubator in the city's downtown that provides subsidized rent in converted garage spaces in San Pedro Square. After two years, the shops have to move out and find their own spaces. As her involvement with Moment rolled to a close, Kim was able to open a new store just a few miles away in the Rose Garden neighborhood of San Jose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11853186\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11853186\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-800x600.jpeg\" alt=\"Kim's store is one of the few small businesses surviving during the pandemic. During the holidays, Kim noticed more people buying plants as gifts.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1020x765.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-160x120.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1536x1152.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-2048x1536.jpeg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1920x1440.jpeg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1832x1374.jpeg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1376x1032.jpeg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-1044x783.jpeg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-632x474.jpeg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9181-536x402.jpeg 536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yuri Kim's store is one of the few small businesses surviving during the pandemic. During the holidays, Kim noticed more people buying plants as gifts. \u003ccite>(Adhiti Bandlamudi/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>During the first few months of the pandemic, Kim was selling less than what she was last year. But as the year wore on, sales slowly started to pick up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As you spend more time home and you're less able to go outside, you want to make your space comfortable and beautiful,\" Kim said. \"Even the suppliers we purchase our plants from say their business has been better now than pre-pandemic because the interest in plants has grown so much.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The sudden demand for succulents and pothos plants is no surprise to Rob Shibata, the owner of\u003ca href=\"http://www.mteden.com/\"> Mt. Eden Floral Company\u003c/a>, one of the largest floral wholesalers in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The millennials have shown a lot of interest in green plants,\" Shibata said. \"They're apartment dwellers. They don't have a lot of space, but they want to have something alive and meaningful to keep them company.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11853187\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11853187\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Fractal Flora sells a collection of house plants and fresh flowers. While the plant industry has seen an uptick in sales, the flower industry is slowly struggling by as it's reliant on large events that are restricted during the pandemic.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/IMG_9186-536x402.jpg 536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Fractal Flora sells a collection of house plants and fresh flowers. While the plant industry has seen an uptick in sales, the flower industry is slowly struggling by since it's reliant on large events that are restricted during the pandemic. \u003ccite>(Adhiti Bandlamudi/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That said, even though Mt. Eden Floral Company has benefited some from the boom in plant sales, the 114-year-old company specializes in flowers. Shibata makes most of his money on orders for weddings, banquets and other large events that won't be permitted for the foreseeable future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We have enough business to subsist,\" Shibata said. \"But we're missing that event part to make us whole.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11852317,arts_13885663,science_1967293","label":"Related Coverage "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shibata is waiting on Valentine's Day and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11816925/bay-area-florists-wilting-under-shelter-in-place-restrictions\">Mother's Day\u003c/a>, two of the biggest days of the year for the flower industry, to bring a bump to sales. In the meantime, he's hoping people continue to buy flowers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I kind of had this imaginary conversation with my dad,\" Shibata said. His late father ran the company before he died in 2015. \"And I heard him say, 'Well, [the pandemic] is not like the problem we had.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shibata's father ran the company during the 1940s and World War II. In 1942, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, more than 120,000 Japanese Americans, including Shibata's father, were sent to concentration camps in California and beyond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He [would say], 'When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and the government came and we were forced to leave our business behind with one week's notice and leave our homes behind with one week's notice ... that was a problem,' \" Shibata said. \"As terrible as it is for us, it wasn't like ... what they went through.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Given that, Shibata says he's determined to get Mt. Eden Floral Company to its 115th year of service.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11853032/pandemic-delivers-a-bloom-boom-for-plant-shops","authors":["11672"],"categories":["news_1758","news_8"],"tags":["news_27510","news_27504","news_27088","news_27814","news_23518","news_27908","news_18541","news_353","news_20920","news_27734","news_21285"],"featImg":"news_11853185","label":"news"},"news_11826164":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11826164","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11826164","score":null,"sort":[1593263147000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"whats-next-for-black-lives-matter-murals-in-downtown-san-jose","title":"What's Next for Black Lives Matter Murals in Downtown San Jose?","publishDate":1593263147,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>During the Black Lives Matter protests, numerous businesses covered their windows with plywood to protect against potential vandalism. San Jose State student Miko Baker saw that plywood as a blank canvas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She contacted the Latino-owned, local franchise of \u003ca href=\"https://www.cinnaholic.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Cinnaholic\u003c/a> to ask if they'd be open to an artist putting up a mural.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I just messaged them on Instagram, nothing super formal, just like, 'Hey! Can I come paint your shop and help you out?' And they were like, 'Sure,'\" Baker said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a similar fashion, artists from all over San Jose volunteered to paint murals in solidarity with the protests. \"Instead of us reaching out to shops, they were reaching out to us,\" Baker said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She soon turned her community project into \u003ca href=\"https://www.storiesforsolidarity.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Stories for Solidarity\u003c/a>, originally called \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/storefrontstories_original/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Storefront Stories\u003c/a>, an organization linking businesses and local artists to collaborate on mural projects. Baker is still filling out paperwork to become an official nonprofit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, she's also organized mural projects with artists in \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/storefrontstoriessac/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sacramento\u003c/a>, and begun talking with artists in Redwood City, Oakland and Bakersfield to start similar movements in their communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/vagueidea/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Andrew \"Andy\" Gonzales\u003c/a> painted a mural outside of Philz Coffee, a background of blue featuring a quote from Jamaican activist Marcus Garvey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11826304\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11826304 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-800x600.jpeg\" alt='Andrew \"Andy\" Gonzales was one of the first artists to paint a mural in downtown San Jose as part of the \"Stories for Solidarity\" project. He painted a quote from Jamaican activist Marcus Garvey, which reads \"You at this time can only be destroyed by yourself from within and not from without. You have reached the point where victory is to be won from within and can only be lost from within.\" It stands outside Philz Coffee in downtown San Jose. ' width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-1020x765.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-160x120.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-632x474.jpeg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-536x402.jpeg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c.jpeg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Andrew \"Andy\" Gonzales was one of the first artists to paint a mural in downtown San Jose as part of the \"Stories for Solidarity\" project. He painted a quote from Jamaican activist Marcus Garvey, which can be seen outside Philz Coffee in downtown San Jose. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Miko Baker)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Gonzales said he can't afford therapy, so he paints to grapple with his emotions and stress. \"All this stuff I have inside of me — there it goes. Lemme put it on a wall,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gonzales reached out to other artists in the South Bay to contribute to the murals around downtown. He feels this movement gave many non-white, male artists a platform they didn't have before. [aside tag=\"racism\" label=\"More Related Stories\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I wanted to get a lot of female artists, a lot of Black and brown artists out there, just doing their thing, just to shine some light on them\" Gonzales said. \"We might be underrepresented in the art community, at least as far as public art and galleries.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But now that stores are starting to reopen, the plywood boards are coming down. Cinnaholic liked their mural so much, it is moving the mural inside the bakery for display. Other stores are auctioning the pieces and giving the proceeds back to the artist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Or [the artist] can donate it to our organization where we can, hopefully, get an event space,\" Baker said. Baker would like to see the art be displayed in galleries for everyone to be able to see this aspect of San Jose history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gonzales doesn't know what will happen to his art, but he's not attached to it. He thinks of it like the Tibetan Buddhist mandalas made out of sand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These Buddhist monks spend hours, days just to create a beautiful piece of art out of sand and then, once it's done, they just destroy it,\" Gonzales said. \"The act of creating the art was the art itself.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the end of the summer, Gonzales and Baker are hoping to have a barbecue with the artists who participated in the mural project and showcase their work in an outdoor exhibition.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Now that downtown San Jose businesses are starting to reopen, art painted on plywood has to come down. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1593466982,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":574},"headData":{"title":"What's Next for Black Lives Matter Murals in Downtown San Jose? | KQED","description":"Now that downtown San Jose businesses are starting to reopen, art painted on plywood has to come down. 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San Jose State student Miko Baker saw that plywood as a blank canvas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She contacted the Latino-owned, local franchise of \u003ca href=\"https://www.cinnaholic.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Cinnaholic\u003c/a> to ask if they'd be open to an artist putting up a mural.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I just messaged them on Instagram, nothing super formal, just like, 'Hey! Can I come paint your shop and help you out?' And they were like, 'Sure,'\" Baker said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a similar fashion, artists from all over San Jose volunteered to paint murals in solidarity with the protests. \"Instead of us reaching out to shops, they were reaching out to us,\" Baker said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She soon turned her community project into \u003ca href=\"https://www.storiesforsolidarity.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Stories for Solidarity\u003c/a>, originally called \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/storefrontstories_original/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Storefront Stories\u003c/a>, an organization linking businesses and local artists to collaborate on mural projects. Baker is still filling out paperwork to become an official nonprofit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, she's also organized mural projects with artists in \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/storefrontstoriessac/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sacramento\u003c/a>, and begun talking with artists in Redwood City, Oakland and Bakersfield to start similar movements in their communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/vagueidea/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Andrew \"Andy\" Gonzales\u003c/a> painted a mural outside of Philz Coffee, a background of blue featuring a quote from Jamaican activist Marcus Garvey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11826304\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11826304 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-800x600.jpeg\" alt='Andrew \"Andy\" Gonzales was one of the first artists to paint a mural in downtown San Jose as part of the \"Stories for Solidarity\" project. He painted a quote from Jamaican activist Marcus Garvey, which reads \"You at this time can only be destroyed by yourself from within and not from without. You have reached the point where victory is to be won from within and can only be lost from within.\" It stands outside Philz Coffee in downtown San Jose. ' width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-1020x765.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-160x120.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-632x474.jpeg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c-536x402.jpeg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/5EFCB520-47DB-4D06-B8AD-1A1D49AB7DF8_1_105_c.jpeg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Andrew \"Andy\" Gonzales was one of the first artists to paint a mural in downtown San Jose as part of the \"Stories for Solidarity\" project. He painted a quote from Jamaican activist Marcus Garvey, which can be seen outside Philz Coffee in downtown San Jose. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Miko Baker)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Gonzales said he can't afford therapy, so he paints to grapple with his emotions and stress. \"All this stuff I have inside of me — there it goes. Lemme put it on a wall,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gonzales reached out to other artists in the South Bay to contribute to the murals around downtown. He feels this movement gave many non-white, male artists a platform they didn't have before. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"racism","label":"More Related Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I wanted to get a lot of female artists, a lot of Black and brown artists out there, just doing their thing, just to shine some light on them\" Gonzales said. \"We might be underrepresented in the art community, at least as far as public art and galleries.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But now that stores are starting to reopen, the plywood boards are coming down. Cinnaholic liked their mural so much, it is moving the mural inside the bakery for display. Other stores are auctioning the pieces and giving the proceeds back to the artist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Or [the artist] can donate it to our organization where we can, hopefully, get an event space,\" Baker said. Baker would like to see the art be displayed in galleries for everyone to be able to see this aspect of San Jose history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gonzales doesn't know what will happen to his art, but he's not attached to it. He thinks of it like the Tibetan Buddhist mandalas made out of sand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These Buddhist monks spend hours, days just to create a beautiful piece of art out of sand and then, once it's done, they just destroy it,\" Gonzales said. \"The act of creating the art was the art itself.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the end of the summer, Gonzales and Baker are hoping to have a barbecue with the artists who participated in the mural project and showcase their work in an outdoor exhibition.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11826164/whats-next-for-black-lives-matter-murals-in-downtown-san-jose","authors":["11672"],"categories":["news_223","news_8"],"tags":["news_27510","news_19133","news_19971","news_27626","news_1247","news_28109","news_21181","news_18541","news_21285"],"featImg":"news_11826446","label":"source_news_11826164"},"news_11811870":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11811870","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11811870","score":null,"sort":[1586646900000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"how-do-you-cope-when-your-elderly-parents-are-abroad-during-covid-19","title":"How do You Cope When Your Elderly Parents are Abroad During COVID-19?","publishDate":1586646900,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>With so much of the world sheltering-in-place for COVID-19, people with aging parents are already nervous. That concern is particularly keen for Indian Americans in the South Bay with aging parents in India.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meeta Singh moved from Delhi to Utah in 2010 with her husband, daughter and son. Since then, they've moved to Morgan Hill, California and her children left home for college. But after COVID-19 closed many schools, both kids are home for the next few weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The house is full and it's nice to have family around, but, of course, under these circumstances, everybody is pretty tense,\" Singh said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Singh feels especially tense these days when she thinks about her parents, who still live in India. After not seeing them for three years, she was planning a trip in April to stay with them for a month. Her trip got cancelled when COVID-19 hit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"coronavirus\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far, there have been about 117 reported deaths in India, a relatively small number for a country of 1.3 billion people. But on March 24, Prime Minister Narendra Modi issued a nationwide lockdown until April 14. The rules are similar to those for the Bay Area's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11806988/sheltering-in-place-what-you-need-to-know\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">shelter-in-place\u003c/a> orders: stay inside and only go out for essential services like grocery shopping and to seek medical attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the Indian Police are using force against people they believe are breaking lockdown rules.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11811884\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11811884\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender-800x1200.jpeg\" alt=\"Meeta Singh's parents still live in India and are in their 80s. Until April 14th, the entire country of India is on lockdown.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender-800x1200.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender-160x240.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender-1020x1530.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender.jpeg 1472w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Meeta Singh's parents still live in India and are in their 80s. Until April 14, the entire country of India is on lockdown. \u003ccite>(Photo courtesy of Meeta Singh)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Singh's parents are doing their best to stay inside, but Singh is still worried. Both her parents are diabetic and her mom just got an ear infection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I'm thankful to God that the medicines are being delivered to home and [my mother] is getting her medication, whatever she needs,\" Singh said. But, \"For the first time, they're all alone,\" she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Usually, one of her two brothers is home to take care of her parents. But her elder brother is stuck in London and her younger brother was sent to Singapore for pilot training. Worse, Singh is nervous that her mom may be getting cabin fever.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Yesterday she had gone out for a walk, and I said 'No, you're not allowed at all,\" Singh said. \"She said, 'no, I just go and there's nobody around and it's all safe,' and I said 'No! Mom, you can't go out!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Singh talks to her parents every day on WhatsApp. They tell her they're doing fine and that she shouldn't worry about them. But she still does.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Meeta Singh, who grew up in Delhi feels especially tense these days when she thinks about her parents, who still live in India. After not seeing them for three years, she was planning a trip in April.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1586822991,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":14,"wordCount":458},"headData":{"title":"How do You Cope When Your Elderly Parents are Abroad During COVID-19? | KQED","description":"Meeta Singh, who grew up in Delhi feels especially tense these days when she thinks about her parents, who still live in India. 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That concern is particularly keen for Indian Americans in the South Bay with aging parents in India.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meeta Singh moved from Delhi to Utah in 2010 with her husband, daughter and son. Since then, they've moved to Morgan Hill, California and her children left home for college. But after COVID-19 closed many schools, both kids are home for the next few weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The house is full and it's nice to have family around, but, of course, under these circumstances, everybody is pretty tense,\" Singh said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Singh feels especially tense these days when she thinks about her parents, who still live in India. After not seeing them for three years, she was planning a trip in April to stay with them for a month. Her trip got cancelled when COVID-19 hit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"coronavirus"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far, there have been about 117 reported deaths in India, a relatively small number for a country of 1.3 billion people. But on March 24, Prime Minister Narendra Modi issued a nationwide lockdown until April 14. The rules are similar to those for the Bay Area's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11806988/sheltering-in-place-what-you-need-to-know\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">shelter-in-place\u003c/a> orders: stay inside and only go out for essential services like grocery shopping and to seek medical attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the Indian Police are using force against people they believe are breaking lockdown rules.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11811884\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11811884\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender-800x1200.jpeg\" alt=\"Meeta Singh's parents still live in India and are in their 80s. Until April 14th, the entire country of India is on lockdown.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender-800x1200.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender-160x240.jpeg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender-1020x1530.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/FullSizeRender.jpeg 1472w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Meeta Singh's parents still live in India and are in their 80s. Until April 14, the entire country of India is on lockdown. \u003ccite>(Photo courtesy of Meeta Singh)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Singh's parents are doing their best to stay inside, but Singh is still worried. Both her parents are diabetic and her mom just got an ear infection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I'm thankful to God that the medicines are being delivered to home and [my mother] is getting her medication, whatever she needs,\" Singh said. But, \"For the first time, they're all alone,\" she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Usually, one of her two brothers is home to take care of her parents. But her elder brother is stuck in London and her younger brother was sent to Singapore for pilot training. Worse, Singh is nervous that her mom may be getting cabin fever.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Yesterday she had gone out for a walk, and I said 'No, you're not allowed at all,\" Singh said. \"She said, 'no, I just go and there's nobody around and it's all safe,' and I said 'No! Mom, you can't go out!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Singh talks to her parents every day on WhatsApp. They tell her they're doing fine and that she shouldn't worry about them. But she still does.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11811870/how-do-you-cope-when-your-elderly-parents-are-abroad-during-covid-19","authors":["11672"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_27510","news_2814","news_27350","news_27504","news_26027","news_22072","news_27626","news_18436","news_22750","news_2538","news_25551","news_21285"],"featImg":"news_11811881","label":"source_news_11811870"},"news_11807174":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11807174","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11807174","score":null,"sort":[1584525651000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"when-people-cant-go-to-their-houses-of-worship","title":"When People Can't Go to Their Houses of Worship","publishDate":1584525651,"format":"audio","headTitle":"When People Can’t Go to Their Houses of Worship | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>Religious services and rituals are a big part of many people’s lives. But now, houses of worship are closed to the public because of the coronavirus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So in a time when more people might feel afraid, anxious or isolated, what are religious communities doing to take care of their congregations?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guest\u003c/strong>: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/oddity_adhiti\">Adhiti Bandlamudi\u003c/a>, Silicon Valley reporter for KQED News\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Religious communities are trying to stay connected while also staying safe from the coronavirus.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1700694374,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":5,"wordCount":63},"headData":{"title":"When People Can't Go to Their Houses of Worship | KQED","description":"Religious communities are trying to stay connected while also staying safe from the coronavirus.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"When People Can't Go to Their Houses of Worship","datePublished":"2020-03-18T10:00:51.000Z","dateModified":"2023-11-22T23:06:14.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"source":"The Bay","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/thebay/2020/03/WorshipamidstCoronafinafinalmixdown.mp3","path":"/news/11807174/when-people-cant-go-to-their-houses-of-worship","audioDuration":711000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Religious services and rituals are a big part of many people’s lives. 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