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Mike Johnson, the man \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/house-speaker-republicans-emmer-mccarthy-54352a64be041cd445bda8df28b24f03\">Republicans unanimously elected speaker of the House of Representatives on Oct. 25\u003c/a>, a position second-in-line for the presidency after the vice president:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Marriage between two men or two women \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-kfile/134019997/\">is not what God intended, and only traditional heterosexual marriage can lead to real happiness\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Homosexuality \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-mike-johnson-2005/134051395/\">is a lifestyle choice, not an immutable characteristic\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Children are harmed \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-kfile/134019997/\">by not having one mother and one father\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>States \u003ca href=\"https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/adf_-amicusbrief_lawrence_v_texas.pdf\">should be allowed to criminalize consensual sex between two men\u003c/a> as a way to slow the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>“Experts project that homosexual marriage is the dark harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy,” Johnson \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-kfile/134020593/\">wrote in 2004 in an opinion article\u003c/a> in The Times of Shreveport, Louisiana.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Asked recently by Fox News for his views on homosexuality, Johnson said simply, “Go pick up a Bible. That’s what I believe and so I make no apologies for it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s why we call him MAGA Mike,” said openly gay Congressman Robert Garcia (D-Long Beach). “He is literally one of the most extreme voices in his party as it relates to LGBTQ rights. And so his record is really troubling.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of the ideas espoused by Johnson also served as the ideological basis of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/proposition-8\">Proposition 8\u003c/a>, the 2008 ballot measure that banned same-sex marriage in California until it was struck down in 2010.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Such constitutional amendments, Johnson said, “are the people’s only way to prevent same-sex marriage as demanded by activist courts.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The rise of Johnson to the speakership coincides with renewed ultraconservative activism under the guise of keeping public policy from getting in between parents and their children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At school board meetings, city councils and state legislatures around the country — \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11965684/amidst-backlash-conservative-groups-target-south-bay-school-board-seats\">including in the Bay Area\u003c/a> — conservative activists led by organizations such as \u003ca href=\"https://www.momsforliberty.org/\">Moms for Liberty\u003c/a> are using “parental rights” as a cry to stir up anger against policies supporting transgender youth and their families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The notion that children need protection from predatory queer people or their allies is nothing new. In the 1970s, former beauty pageant winner \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/1970s-christian-crusader-anita-bryant-helped-spawn-floridas-lgbtq-cult-rcna24215\">Anita Bryant used it to roll back gay rights ordinances in Florida\u003c/a>. Here in California in 1978, \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-04/gearhart-briggs-initiative-ban-gay-teachers-proposition-6\">it was the misguided rationale behind the so-called Briggs Initiative\u003c/a>, which sought to prevent openly gay and lesbian people from teaching in K-12 schools. Voters soundly defeated it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But that was not the case 15 years ago, on Nov. 4, 2008 — when Proposition 8 passed. It was a night when Californians overwhelmingly voted to elect Barack Obama president while simultaneously taking away the right of same-sex couples to marry. For LGBTQ+ voters, it was political whiplash — euphoria and despair in one night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 8 passed with 52% of the vote, eliminating a right that had been granted to gay and lesbian couples by the California Supreme Court less than six months earlier.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Anti-gay tropes on trial\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>As it happens, the ideas embraced by Speaker Johnson and supporters of Proposition 8 were all put on trial in 2010 after two same-sex couples sued in federal court to overturn the measure when they were denied marriage licenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That Proposition 8 trial — which included expert witnesses testifying under oath about anti-gay tropes, theories and political arguments — resulted in Proposition 8 being struck down in 2010 when the federal trial judge deemed the evidence against same-sex marriage to be uncompelling and ruled that the law violated the Due Process and Equal Protection clauses of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the ruling, and the legal battle ended when the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take up a final appeal in 2013.[aside postID=\"news_11911275\" hero=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/RS5337_KQEDprop8castro_01.jpg\"]For more than a decade after it ended, videotapes of the trial were under seal until KQED fought a long legal battle to make them available to the public. The U.S. Supreme Court \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11911275/supreme-court-ruling-clears-way-for-release-of-footage-from-landmark-trial-that-legalized-same-sex-marriage-in-california\">allowed them to be unsealed in October 2022\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the videotapes were released, KQED invited the four Proposition 8 plaintiffs — Kris Perry and Sandy Stier along with Paul Katami and Jeffrey Zarrillo — to view them for the first time and talk about the trial, its aftermath and its significance today.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘The lie won people over, and the lie was based on fear’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>One thing that stood out is that the ‘Yes on 8’ messages still echo today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Leaders in the Catholic and Mormon Churches promoted the campaign to ban same-sex marriages in California. Among the ‘Yes on 8’ slogans: “Protect the Children.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The sad part of it is, that campaign worked because the convenience of the lie won people over, and the lie was based on fear,” recalls Paul Katami. “And that fear included children. So I would never say it was a brilliant tactic, but it was an evil tactic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Watch a video featuring Paul Katami and Jeffrey Zarrillo reflecting on their experiences, produced by KQED’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/ccabreralomeli\">Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGFgrXJx950\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Attorney Thomas R. Burke led KQED’s successful legal battle to unseal the tapes. He said the trial tested the homophobic, hateful arguments promoted by Proposition 8 supporters. The witnesses, the withering cross-examinations and the poignant testimony are all caught on \u003ca href=\"https://cand.uscourts.gov/notices/video-recordings-of-perry-v-schwarzenegger-now-available/\">video that is now available to anyone who wants to watch\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The evidence didn’t support you,” Burke said, referring to ‘Yes on 8’ defenders. “You had great lawyers arguing your cause, and you didn’t win. And if people thought you should have won, they can see and judge for themselves. If you didn’t have that recorded, that couldn’t happen.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The historic trial resulted in a landmark decision when Judge Vaughn Walker struck down the ballot measure, ruling it violated the U.S. Constitution — but it was hardly a foregone conclusion at the start.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Jeffrey Zarrillo, Proposition 8 plaintiff\"]‘I said to Paul at one point, ‘Even if we lose, we can go to our graves knowing that we didn’t stand for being treated as second-class citizens. We tried to do something about it.”[/pullquote]“I remember feeling very anxious and scared, honestly, not knowing how any of it would turn out,” lead plaintiff Kris Perry said after viewing trial clips at KQED. “People were really, you know, counting on us to deliver. And there was a lot of pressure.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perry’s wife, Sandy Stier, recalls what seemed like days and days of preparation before going on the stand. She remembers worrying about how the trial might affect their lives, “not only for me, what it might be like for my kids, for my parents, my siblings and my community. And so it was very, very anxious going into court that day, not knowing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Zarrillo and Katami were the first witnesses called to testify.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I had so many fears going into the trial,” Katami said. “I was not confident because this was uncharted territory for both of us as human beings.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I said to Paul at one point, ‘Even if we lose, we can go to our graves knowing that we didn’t stand for being treated as second-class citizens,’” Zarrillo said. “We tried to do something about it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trial was originally going to be televised on closed circuit TV via YouTube until Proposition 8 attorneys objected, and the U.S. Supreme Court intervened to prevent it. But Judge Walker recorded the trial anyway, he said, for his personal use in writing the decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the stand, Katami was asked by one of their attorneys, David Boies, what the big deal was about not being able to marry when they had the option of a domestic partnership.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The big deal is it’s creating a separate category for us. And that’s a major deal because it makes you into a second-, third- … and fourth-class citizen,” Katami said that day in January 2010.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966192\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966192\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"Two people sit next to each other in chairs in front of a white backdrop.\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1331\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-800x532.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-1020x679.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-1536x1022.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-1920x1278.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jeffrey Zarrillo, left, and Paul Katami, plaintiffs in the landmark lawsuit that overturned California’s ban on same-sex marriage, sit during an interview at the KQED offices in San Francisco on March 3, 2023. Katami and Zarrillo had come to the studio to watch clips of their testimony in federal court, which KQED had fought to get unsealed. \u003ccite>(Kori Suzuki/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Concerns over renewed efforts to make LGBTQ+ people second-class citizens were shared by none other than U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor this summer, following the high court’s ruling siding with a Christian graphic artist who refused to work with same-sex couples. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11955680/explaining-303-creative-decision\">Sotomayor wrote in her dissent that the decision’s effect was to “mark gays and lesbians for second-class status”\u003c/a> and that the ruling opened the door to further discrimination.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reflecting on his testimony, Katami said until the Proposition 8 trial, many heterosexuals didn’t know the hundreds of rights automatically afforded straight couples — but denied to LGBTQ people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And if you don’t have that protection because marriage allows that protection, there’s a bright spotlight that shines down on those rights when you don’t have them,” Katami says.[aside postID=\"news_11955680\" hero=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/GettyImages-180517172-1020x680.jpg\"]Viewing the trial tapes, Zarrillo noted that “when you’re on the stand like that, you have to really figure out, how do I answer this question [in a way] that is not going to hurt our cause?” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Perry was asked in court to describe her relationship with Stier, whom she met while both were students at UC Santa Cruz, Perry testified, “I met Sandy thinking she was maybe the sparkliest person I ever met. And I wanted to be her friend.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the stand, Stier testified that after meeting Perry, she “ really felt like the thunderbolt of change for me.” Unlike Perry, Stier wasn’t an out lesbian at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I had moved to California, got married to a man, had two kids, and knew that something wasn’t working for me,” Stier told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Watch a video featuring Kris Perry and Sandy Stier reflecting on their experiences, produced by KQED’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/ccabreralomeli\">Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMlRY1EIifk\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trial tapes reveal the humanity of the issue, ably presented by the four plaintiffs, Judge Walker said recently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Both of the couples were very able witnesses — very attractive witnesses… So, we’re talking about matters that are intensely personal and important to them. That’s pretty compelling testimony under any circumstances,” Walker told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the audible and visible emotion of their testimony was out of view until the trial tapes were unsealed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of course, unlike TV shows, where every courtroom scene is riveting and entertaining, real-life trials are mostly “hours and hours of tedium broken episodically by sometimes emotions (or) events of great interest. But they are few and far between,” Walker said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, the retired judge said the tapes will be helpful in law schools to show students how courts deal with “a social issue or a constitutional issue of widespread importance.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Honey Mahogany, transgender rights activist and chair of the San Francisco Democratic Central Committee \"]‘Seeing what happened during the trial behind the scenes is really important because it helps expose the truth. It helps expose the fact that this is just about two people loving each other.’[/pullquote]After Proposition 8 was struck down, both couples soon married and remain so today. But LGBTQ people are still under attack by people hoping to use them as political fodder on behalf of conservative causes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think that is incredibly dangerous,” transgender rights activist Honey Mahogany said. “These are tropes that have always been a part of emotionally manipulating people to advantage a certain political group or cause, right? They’re not based in fact.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mahogany, who also chairs the San Francisco Democratic Central Committee, said the release of the trial tapes helps to humanize issues and the plaintiffs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Seeing what happened during the trial behind the scenes is really important because it helps expose the truth,” Mahogany said. “It helps expose the fact that this is just about two people loving each other, wanting to cement their relationship, wanting to protect each other … and their children.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mahogany said that given the risks of failure, what the Proposition 8 plaintiffs did was “incredibly important and brave.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She hopes their example will encourage others to come forward today to humanize LGBTQ issues. “We can learn from history. We can, you know, find our champions and also our storytellers to help us tell our stories,” Mahogany said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With the videotapes now accessible online, their stories told under oath can be seen by anyone who wishes to watch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They fought for a decade that this would not be seen,” Burke said. “And I think there’s a reason for that,” Burke said, implying their arguments simply didn’t hold up under legal scrutiny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although Walker’s ruling striking down Proposition 8 was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, the measure’s wording remains in the California Constitution. But voters will have the chance to change that next November. The State Legislature\u003ca href=\"https://ballotpedia.org/California_Right_to_Marry_and_Repeal_Proposition_8_Amendment_(2024)\"> placed a measure on the fall 2024 ballot that removes that invalidated language\u003c/a> and replaces it with an affirmation of the right of all couples to marry in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>A version of this story was originally published on Nov. 2.\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\n[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Much of today's anti-LGBTQ rhetoric – including from new House Speaker Mike Johnson – was also behind Prop. 8, the 2008 ballot measure that banned same-sex marriage in California. We talk with the plaintiffs whose lawsuit culminated in a judge striking down Prop. 8 – and look back on trial video, now available for the very first time.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1703286378,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":58,"wordCount":2408},"headData":{"title":"Inside the Trial That Overturned California's Same-Sex Marriage Ban | KQED","description":"Much of today's anti-LGBTQ rhetoric – including from new House Speaker Mike Johnson – was also behind Prop. 8, the 2008 ballot measure that banned same-sex marriage in California. We talk with the plaintiffs whose lawsuit culminated in a judge striking down Prop. 8 – and look back on trial video, now available for the very first time.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/06257420-e16c-4c8d-b757-b0ae010b178d/audio.mp3","sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11966077/inside-the-trial-that-overturned-californias-same-sex-marriage-ban-proposition-8-mike-johnson-lgbtq-rights","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC7526943476\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These are some of the ideas promoted by Louisiana Rep. Mike Johnson, the man \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/house-speaker-republicans-emmer-mccarthy-54352a64be041cd445bda8df28b24f03\">Republicans unanimously elected speaker of the House of Representatives on Oct. 25\u003c/a>, a position second-in-line for the presidency after the vice president:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Marriage between two men or two women \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-kfile/134019997/\">is not what God intended, and only traditional heterosexual marriage can lead to real happiness\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Homosexuality \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-mike-johnson-2005/134051395/\">is a lifestyle choice, not an immutable characteristic\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Children are harmed \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-kfile/134019997/\">by not having one mother and one father\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>States \u003ca href=\"https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/adf_-amicusbrief_lawrence_v_texas.pdf\">should be allowed to criminalize consensual sex between two men\u003c/a> as a way to slow the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>“Experts project that homosexual marriage is the dark harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy,” Johnson \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-kfile/134020593/\">wrote in 2004 in an opinion article\u003c/a> in The Times of Shreveport, Louisiana.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Asked recently by Fox News for his views on homosexuality, Johnson said simply, “Go pick up a Bible. That’s what I believe and so I make no apologies for it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s why we call him MAGA Mike,” said openly gay Congressman Robert Garcia (D-Long Beach). “He is literally one of the most extreme voices in his party as it relates to LGBTQ rights. And so his record is really troubling.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of the ideas espoused by Johnson also served as the ideological basis of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/proposition-8\">Proposition 8\u003c/a>, the 2008 ballot measure that banned same-sex marriage in California until it was struck down in 2010.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Such constitutional amendments, Johnson said, “are the people’s only way to prevent same-sex marriage as demanded by activist courts.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The rise of Johnson to the speakership coincides with renewed ultraconservative activism under the guise of keeping public policy from getting in between parents and their children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At school board meetings, city councils and state legislatures around the country — \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11965684/amidst-backlash-conservative-groups-target-south-bay-school-board-seats\">including in the Bay Area\u003c/a> — conservative activists led by organizations such as \u003ca href=\"https://www.momsforliberty.org/\">Moms for Liberty\u003c/a> are using “parental rights” as a cry to stir up anger against policies supporting transgender youth and their families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The notion that children need protection from predatory queer people or their allies is nothing new. In the 1970s, former beauty pageant winner \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/1970s-christian-crusader-anita-bryant-helped-spawn-floridas-lgbtq-cult-rcna24215\">Anita Bryant used it to roll back gay rights ordinances in Florida\u003c/a>. Here in California in 1978, \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-04/gearhart-briggs-initiative-ban-gay-teachers-proposition-6\">it was the misguided rationale behind the so-called Briggs Initiative\u003c/a>, which sought to prevent openly gay and lesbian people from teaching in K-12 schools. Voters soundly defeated it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But that was not the case 15 years ago, on Nov. 4, 2008 — when Proposition 8 passed. It was a night when Californians overwhelmingly voted to elect Barack Obama president while simultaneously taking away the right of same-sex couples to marry. For LGBTQ+ voters, it was political whiplash — euphoria and despair in one night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 8 passed with 52% of the vote, eliminating a right that had been granted to gay and lesbian couples by the California Supreme Court less than six months earlier.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Anti-gay tropes on trial\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>As it happens, the ideas embraced by Speaker Johnson and supporters of Proposition 8 were all put on trial in 2010 after two same-sex couples sued in federal court to overturn the measure when they were denied marriage licenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That Proposition 8 trial — which included expert witnesses testifying under oath about anti-gay tropes, theories and political arguments — resulted in Proposition 8 being struck down in 2010 when the federal trial judge deemed the evidence against same-sex marriage to be uncompelling and ruled that the law violated the Due Process and Equal Protection clauses of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the ruling, and the legal battle ended when the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take up a final appeal in 2013.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11911275","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/RS5337_KQEDprop8castro_01.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>For more than a decade after it ended, videotapes of the trial were under seal until KQED fought a long legal battle to make them available to the public. The U.S. Supreme Court \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11911275/supreme-court-ruling-clears-way-for-release-of-footage-from-landmark-trial-that-legalized-same-sex-marriage-in-california\">allowed them to be unsealed in October 2022\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the videotapes were released, KQED invited the four Proposition 8 plaintiffs — Kris Perry and Sandy Stier along with Paul Katami and Jeffrey Zarrillo — to view them for the first time and talk about the trial, its aftermath and its significance today.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘The lie won people over, and the lie was based on fear’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>One thing that stood out is that the ‘Yes on 8’ messages still echo today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Leaders in the Catholic and Mormon Churches promoted the campaign to ban same-sex marriages in California. Among the ‘Yes on 8’ slogans: “Protect the Children.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The sad part of it is, that campaign worked because the convenience of the lie won people over, and the lie was based on fear,” recalls Paul Katami. “And that fear included children. So I would never say it was a brilliant tactic, but it was an evil tactic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Watch a video featuring Paul Katami and Jeffrey Zarrillo reflecting on their experiences, produced by KQED’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/ccabreralomeli\">Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/CGFgrXJx950'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/CGFgrXJx950'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Attorney Thomas R. Burke led KQED’s successful legal battle to unseal the tapes. He said the trial tested the homophobic, hateful arguments promoted by Proposition 8 supporters. The witnesses, the withering cross-examinations and the poignant testimony are all caught on \u003ca href=\"https://cand.uscourts.gov/notices/video-recordings-of-perry-v-schwarzenegger-now-available/\">video that is now available to anyone who wants to watch\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The evidence didn’t support you,” Burke said, referring to ‘Yes on 8’ defenders. “You had great lawyers arguing your cause, and you didn’t win. And if people thought you should have won, they can see and judge for themselves. If you didn’t have that recorded, that couldn’t happen.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The historic trial resulted in a landmark decision when Judge Vaughn Walker struck down the ballot measure, ruling it violated the U.S. Constitution — but it was hardly a foregone conclusion at the start.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘I said to Paul at one point, ‘Even if we lose, we can go to our graves knowing that we didn’t stand for being treated as second-class citizens. We tried to do something about it.”","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Jeffrey Zarrillo, Proposition 8 plaintiff","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“I remember feeling very anxious and scared, honestly, not knowing how any of it would turn out,” lead plaintiff Kris Perry said after viewing trial clips at KQED. “People were really, you know, counting on us to deliver. And there was a lot of pressure.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perry’s wife, Sandy Stier, recalls what seemed like days and days of preparation before going on the stand. She remembers worrying about how the trial might affect their lives, “not only for me, what it might be like for my kids, for my parents, my siblings and my community. And so it was very, very anxious going into court that day, not knowing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Zarrillo and Katami were the first witnesses called to testify.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I had so many fears going into the trial,” Katami said. “I was not confident because this was uncharted territory for both of us as human beings.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I said to Paul at one point, ‘Even if we lose, we can go to our graves knowing that we didn’t stand for being treated as second-class citizens,’” Zarrillo said. “We tried to do something about it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trial was originally going to be televised on closed circuit TV via YouTube until Proposition 8 attorneys objected, and the U.S. Supreme Court intervened to prevent it. But Judge Walker recorded the trial anyway, he said, for his personal use in writing the decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the stand, Katami was asked by one of their attorneys, David Boies, what the big deal was about not being able to marry when they had the option of a domestic partnership.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The big deal is it’s creating a separate category for us. And that’s a major deal because it makes you into a second-, third- … and fourth-class citizen,” Katami said that day in January 2010.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966192\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966192\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"Two people sit next to each other in chairs in front of a white backdrop.\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1331\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-800x532.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-1020x679.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-1536x1022.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/03032023_prop9lawsuit-469-KQED-1920x1278.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jeffrey Zarrillo, left, and Paul Katami, plaintiffs in the landmark lawsuit that overturned California’s ban on same-sex marriage, sit during an interview at the KQED offices in San Francisco on March 3, 2023. Katami and Zarrillo had come to the studio to watch clips of their testimony in federal court, which KQED had fought to get unsealed. \u003ccite>(Kori Suzuki/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Concerns over renewed efforts to make LGBTQ+ people second-class citizens were shared by none other than U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor this summer, following the high court’s ruling siding with a Christian graphic artist who refused to work with same-sex couples. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11955680/explaining-303-creative-decision\">Sotomayor wrote in her dissent that the decision’s effect was to “mark gays and lesbians for second-class status”\u003c/a> and that the ruling opened the door to further discrimination.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reflecting on his testimony, Katami said until the Proposition 8 trial, many heterosexuals didn’t know the hundreds of rights automatically afforded straight couples — but denied to LGBTQ people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And if you don’t have that protection because marriage allows that protection, there’s a bright spotlight that shines down on those rights when you don’t have them,” Katami says.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11955680","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/GettyImages-180517172-1020x680.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Viewing the trial tapes, Zarrillo noted that “when you’re on the stand like that, you have to really figure out, how do I answer this question [in a way] that is not going to hurt our cause?” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Perry was asked in court to describe her relationship with Stier, whom she met while both were students at UC Santa Cruz, Perry testified, “I met Sandy thinking she was maybe the sparkliest person I ever met. And I wanted to be her friend.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the stand, Stier testified that after meeting Perry, she “ really felt like the thunderbolt of change for me.” Unlike Perry, Stier wasn’t an out lesbian at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I had moved to California, got married to a man, had two kids, and knew that something wasn’t working for me,” Stier told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Watch a video featuring Kris Perry and Sandy Stier reflecting on their experiences, produced by KQED’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/ccabreralomeli\">Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/gMlRY1EIifk'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/gMlRY1EIifk'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>The trial tapes reveal the humanity of the issue, ably presented by the four plaintiffs, Judge Walker said recently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Both of the couples were very able witnesses — very attractive witnesses… So, we’re talking about matters that are intensely personal and important to them. That’s pretty compelling testimony under any circumstances,” Walker told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the audible and visible emotion of their testimony was out of view until the trial tapes were unsealed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of course, unlike TV shows, where every courtroom scene is riveting and entertaining, real-life trials are mostly “hours and hours of tedium broken episodically by sometimes emotions (or) events of great interest. But they are few and far between,” Walker said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, the retired judge said the tapes will be helpful in law schools to show students how courts deal with “a social issue or a constitutional issue of widespread importance.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘Seeing what happened during the trial behind the scenes is really important because it helps expose the truth. It helps expose the fact that this is just about two people loving each other.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Honey Mahogany, transgender rights activist and chair of the San Francisco Democratic Central Committee ","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>After Proposition 8 was struck down, both couples soon married and remain so today. But LGBTQ people are still under attack by people hoping to use them as political fodder on behalf of conservative causes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think that is incredibly dangerous,” transgender rights activist Honey Mahogany said. “These are tropes that have always been a part of emotionally manipulating people to advantage a certain political group or cause, right? They’re not based in fact.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mahogany, who also chairs the San Francisco Democratic Central Committee, said the release of the trial tapes helps to humanize issues and the plaintiffs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Seeing what happened during the trial behind the scenes is really important because it helps expose the truth,” Mahogany said. “It helps expose the fact that this is just about two people loving each other, wanting to cement their relationship, wanting to protect each other … and their children.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mahogany said that given the risks of failure, what the Proposition 8 plaintiffs did was “incredibly important and brave.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She hopes their example will encourage others to come forward today to humanize LGBTQ issues. “We can learn from history. We can, you know, find our champions and also our storytellers to help us tell our stories,” Mahogany said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With the videotapes now accessible online, their stories told under oath can be seen by anyone who wishes to watch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They fought for a decade that this would not be seen,” Burke said. “And I think there’s a reason for that,” Burke said, implying their arguments simply didn’t hold up under legal scrutiny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although Walker’s ruling striking down Proposition 8 was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, the measure’s wording remains in the California Constitution. But voters will have the chance to change that next November. The State Legislature\u003ca href=\"https://ballotpedia.org/California_Right_to_Marry_and_Repeal_Proposition_8_Amendment_(2024)\"> placed a measure on the fall 2024 ballot that removes that invalidated language\u003c/a> and replaces it with an affirmation of the right of all couples to marry in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>A version of this story was originally published on Nov. 2.\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11966077/inside-the-trial-that-overturned-californias-same-sex-marriage-ban-proposition-8-mike-johnson-lgbtq-rights","authors":["255"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_30811","news_27626","news_20004","news_19345","news_33426","news_17968","news_126","news_322"],"featImg":"news_11966190","label":"news"},"news_11933522":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11933522","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11933522","score":null,"sort":[1669770006000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"senate-passes-landmark-bill-protecting-same-sex-marriage","title":"Senate Passes Landmark Bill Protecting Same-Sex Marriage","publishDate":1669770006,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>The U.S. Senate passed bipartisan legislation Tuesday to protect same-sex marriages, an extraordinary sign of \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/religion-relationships-gay-rights-marriage-a6d9a92c4a5cda6e4b977f516a9a71a7\">shifting national politics\u003c/a> on the issue and a measure of relief for the hundreds of thousands of same-sex couples who have married since the Supreme Court’s 2015 decision that legalized gay marriage nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill, which would ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are enshrined in federal law, was approved 61–36, including support from 12 Republicans. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, said the legislation was “a long time coming” and part of America’s “difficult but inexorable march towards greater equality.”[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Kelley Robinson, incoming president, Human Rights Campaign\"]'Our community really needs a win. We have been through a lot. As a queer person who is married, I feel a sense of relief right now. I know my family is safe.'[/pullquote]Democrats are moving quickly, while the party still holds the majority in both chambers of Congress, to send the bill to the House and then — they hope — to President Joe Biden’s desk. The bill has gained steady momentum since the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0\">Supreme Court’s June decision that overturned the federal right to an abortion\u003c/a>, a ruling that included a concurring opinion from Justice Clarence Thomas that suggested same-sex marriage could also come under threat. Bipartisan Senate negotiations got a kick-start this summer \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-race-and-ethnicity-gay-rights-marriage-social-issues-77ec6e2a60b5990ceaf7c396fee42016\">when 47 Republicans unexpectedly voted for a House bill\u003c/a> and gave supporters new optimism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The legislation would require states to recognize all marriages that were legal where they were performed, and protect current same-sex unions, if the Supreme Court's 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges decision were to be overturned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's a stunning bipartisan endorsement, and evidence of societal change, after years of bitter divisiveness on the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill would also protect interracial marriages by requiring states to recognize legal marriages regardless of “sex, race, ethnicity or national origin.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A new law protecting same-sex marriages would be a major victory for Democrats as they relinquish their two years of consolidated power in Washington, and a massive win for advocates who have been pushing for decades for federal legislation. It comes as the LGBTQ+ community has faced a string of violent attacks, including a \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/business-crime-shootings-colorado-springs-774c94125cbad7cf05af2c99b81d42cc\">shooting last weekend at a gay nightclub in Colorado\u003c/a> that killed five people and injured at least 17.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our community really needs a win. We have been through a lot,” said Kelley Robinson, incoming president of the Human Rights Campaign, which advocates on LGBTQ+ issues. “As a queer person who is married, I feel a sense of relief right now. I know my family is safe.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vote was personal for many senators, too. Schumer said on Tuesday that he was wearing the tie he wore at his daughter's wedding, which he called “one of the happiest moments of my life.” He also recalled the “harrowing conversation” he had with his daughter and her wife in September 2020 when they heard that liberal Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had passed away. “Could our right to marry be undone?” he said they asked him at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett replacing Ginsburg, the court has now overturned Roe v. Wade and the federal right to an abortion, stoking fears about Obergefell and other protected rights. But sentiment has shifted on same-sex marriage, with more than two-thirds of the public now in support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, Schumer said it was notable that the Senate was even having the debate after years of Republican opposition. “A decade ago, it would have strained all of our imaginations to envision both sides talking about protecting the rights of same-sex married couples,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Passage came after the Senate rejected three Republican amendments to protect the rights of religious institutions and other groups that still oppose such marriages. Supporters of the legislation argued those amendments were unnecessary because the bill had already been amended to clarify that it does not affect rights of private individuals or businesses that are currently enshrined in law. The bill would also make clear that a marriage is between two people, an effort to ward off some far-right criticism that the legislation could endorse polygamy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Republican Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who has been lobbying his fellow GOP senators to support the legislation for months, pointed to the number of religious groups supporting the bill, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some of those groups were part of negotiations on the bipartisan amendment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They see this as a step forward for religious freedom,” Tillis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The nearly 17 million-member, Utah-based faith said in a statement this month that church doctrine would continue to consider same-sex relationships to be against God’s commandments. Yet it said it would support rights for same-sex couples as long as they didn’t infringe upon the rights of religious groups to believe as they choose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most Republicans, however, still oppose the legislation, saying it is unnecessary and citing concerns about religious liberty. And some conservative groups stepped up opposition in recent weeks, lobbying Republican supporters to switch their votes.[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"same-sex-marriage\"]“As I and others have argued for years, marriage is the exclusive, lifelong, conjugal union between one man and one woman, and any departure from that design hurts the indispensable goal of having every child raised in a stable home by the mom and dad who conceived him,” Roger Severino, the Heritage Foundation's vice president of domestic policy, wrote in a recent blog post arguing against the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an effort to win the 10 Republican votes necessary to overcome a filibuster in the 50-50 Senate, Democrats delayed consideration until after the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-elections\">midterm elections\u003c/a>, hoping doing so would relieve political pressure on GOP senators who might be wavering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eventual support from 12 Republicans gave Democrats the votes they needed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along with Tillis, Maine Sen. Susan Collins and Ohio Sen. Rob Portman supported the bill early on and have lobbied their GOP colleagues to support it. Also voting for the legislation in two test votes ahead of passage were Republican Sens. Richard Burr of North Carolina, Todd Young of Indiana, Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia, Mitt Romney of Utah, Joni Ernst of Iowa, Roy Blunt of Missouri, Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming and Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan of Alaska.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lummis, one of the more conservative members of the Senate, spoke ahead of the final vote about her “fairly brutal self soul searching” before supporting the bill. She said that she accepts her church's beliefs that a marriage is between a man and a woman, but noted that the country was founded on the separation of church and state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We do well by taking this step, not embracing or validating each other’s devoutly held views, but by the simple act of tolerating them,” Lummis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The growing GOP support for the issue is a sharp contrast from even a decade ago, when many Republicans vocally opposed same-sex marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin, a Democrat who is the first openly gay senator and has been working on gay rights issues for almost four decades, said this month that the newfound openness from many Republicans on the subject reminds her “of the arc of the LBGTQ movement to begin with, in the early days when people weren’t out and people knew gay people by myths and stereotypes.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Baldwin, the lead Senate negotiator on the legislation, said that as more individuals and families have become visible, hearts and minds have changed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And slowly laws have followed,” she said. “It is history.”[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The bill, which would ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are enshrined in federal law, was approved 61–36, including support from 12 Republicans.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1669778409,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":25,"wordCount":1343},"headData":{"title":"Senate Passes Landmark Bill Protecting Same-Sex Marriage | KQED","description":"The bill, which would ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are enshrined in federal law, was approved 61–36, including support from 12 Republicans.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11933522 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11933522","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/11/29/senate-passes-landmark-bill-protecting-same-sex-marriage/","disqusTitle":"Senate Passes Landmark Bill Protecting Same-Sex Marriage","nprByline":"Mary Clare Jalonick\u003cbr>Associated Press","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","path":"/news/11933522/senate-passes-landmark-bill-protecting-same-sex-marriage","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The U.S. Senate passed bipartisan legislation Tuesday to protect same-sex marriages, an extraordinary sign of \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/religion-relationships-gay-rights-marriage-a6d9a92c4a5cda6e4b977f516a9a71a7\">shifting national politics\u003c/a> on the issue and a measure of relief for the hundreds of thousands of same-sex couples who have married since the Supreme Court’s 2015 decision that legalized gay marriage nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill, which would ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are enshrined in federal law, was approved 61–36, including support from 12 Republicans. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, said the legislation was “a long time coming” and part of America’s “difficult but inexorable march towards greater equality.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'Our community really needs a win. We have been through a lot. As a queer person who is married, I feel a sense of relief right now. I know my family is safe.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Kelley Robinson, incoming president, Human Rights Campaign","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Democrats are moving quickly, while the party still holds the majority in both chambers of Congress, to send the bill to the House and then — they hope — to President Joe Biden’s desk. The bill has gained steady momentum since the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0\">Supreme Court’s June decision that overturned the federal right to an abortion\u003c/a>, a ruling that included a concurring opinion from Justice Clarence Thomas that suggested same-sex marriage could also come under threat. Bipartisan Senate negotiations got a kick-start this summer \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-race-and-ethnicity-gay-rights-marriage-social-issues-77ec6e2a60b5990ceaf7c396fee42016\">when 47 Republicans unexpectedly voted for a House bill\u003c/a> and gave supporters new optimism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The legislation would require states to recognize all marriages that were legal where they were performed, and protect current same-sex unions, if the Supreme Court's 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges decision were to be overturned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's a stunning bipartisan endorsement, and evidence of societal change, after years of bitter divisiveness on the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill would also protect interracial marriages by requiring states to recognize legal marriages regardless of “sex, race, ethnicity or national origin.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A new law protecting same-sex marriages would be a major victory for Democrats as they relinquish their two years of consolidated power in Washington, and a massive win for advocates who have been pushing for decades for federal legislation. It comes as the LGBTQ+ community has faced a string of violent attacks, including a \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/business-crime-shootings-colorado-springs-774c94125cbad7cf05af2c99b81d42cc\">shooting last weekend at a gay nightclub in Colorado\u003c/a> that killed five people and injured at least 17.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our community really needs a win. We have been through a lot,” said Kelley Robinson, incoming president of the Human Rights Campaign, which advocates on LGBTQ+ issues. “As a queer person who is married, I feel a sense of relief right now. I know my family is safe.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vote was personal for many senators, too. Schumer said on Tuesday that he was wearing the tie he wore at his daughter's wedding, which he called “one of the happiest moments of my life.” He also recalled the “harrowing conversation” he had with his daughter and her wife in September 2020 when they heard that liberal Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had passed away. “Could our right to marry be undone?” he said they asked him at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett replacing Ginsburg, the court has now overturned Roe v. Wade and the federal right to an abortion, stoking fears about Obergefell and other protected rights. But sentiment has shifted on same-sex marriage, with more than two-thirds of the public now in support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, Schumer said it was notable that the Senate was even having the debate after years of Republican opposition. “A decade ago, it would have strained all of our imaginations to envision both sides talking about protecting the rights of same-sex married couples,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Passage came after the Senate rejected three Republican amendments to protect the rights of religious institutions and other groups that still oppose such marriages. Supporters of the legislation argued those amendments were unnecessary because the bill had already been amended to clarify that it does not affect rights of private individuals or businesses that are currently enshrined in law. The bill would also make clear that a marriage is between two people, an effort to ward off some far-right criticism that the legislation could endorse polygamy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Republican Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who has been lobbying his fellow GOP senators to support the legislation for months, pointed to the number of religious groups supporting the bill, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some of those groups were part of negotiations on the bipartisan amendment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They see this as a step forward for religious freedom,” Tillis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The nearly 17 million-member, Utah-based faith said in a statement this month that church doctrine would continue to consider same-sex relationships to be against God’s commandments. Yet it said it would support rights for same-sex couples as long as they didn’t infringe upon the rights of religious groups to believe as they choose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most Republicans, however, still oppose the legislation, saying it is unnecessary and citing concerns about religious liberty. And some conservative groups stepped up opposition in recent weeks, lobbying Republican supporters to switch their votes.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"same-sex-marriage"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“As I and others have argued for years, marriage is the exclusive, lifelong, conjugal union between one man and one woman, and any departure from that design hurts the indispensable goal of having every child raised in a stable home by the mom and dad who conceived him,” Roger Severino, the Heritage Foundation's vice president of domestic policy, wrote in a recent blog post arguing against the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an effort to win the 10 Republican votes necessary to overcome a filibuster in the 50-50 Senate, Democrats delayed consideration until after the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-elections\">midterm elections\u003c/a>, hoping doing so would relieve political pressure on GOP senators who might be wavering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eventual support from 12 Republicans gave Democrats the votes they needed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along with Tillis, Maine Sen. Susan Collins and Ohio Sen. Rob Portman supported the bill early on and have lobbied their GOP colleagues to support it. Also voting for the legislation in two test votes ahead of passage were Republican Sens. Richard Burr of North Carolina, Todd Young of Indiana, Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia, Mitt Romney of Utah, Joni Ernst of Iowa, Roy Blunt of Missouri, Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming and Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan of Alaska.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lummis, one of the more conservative members of the Senate, spoke ahead of the final vote about her “fairly brutal self soul searching” before supporting the bill. She said that she accepts her church's beliefs that a marriage is between a man and a woman, but noted that the country was founded on the separation of church and state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We do well by taking this step, not embracing or validating each other’s devoutly held views, but by the simple act of tolerating them,” Lummis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The growing GOP support for the issue is a sharp contrast from even a decade ago, when many Republicans vocally opposed same-sex marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wisconsin Sen. 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In 2017 KQED asked the Northern District of California to unseal the trial tapes, arguing that the recordings were a vital part of the public record in a historic legal case. While the court did not agree to immediately release the tapes, it ordered them to be unsealed on Aug. 12, 2020 — 10 years after the case closed. In declining to hear an appeal of lower court rulings, the Supreme Court effectively cleared the way for the tapes to be released.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“After today’s ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, the public will finally be able to watch the testimony that Judge Vaughn Walker considered in deciding that same-sex couples have the right to marry,\" said Thomas R. Burke, KQED's attorney. \"There’s no doubt that the video will become a valuable instrument to educate the public about this historic moment.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Great news! Love wins again and now, so does transparency,\" said Jeff Zarillo, one of the original plaintiffs in the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Holly Kernan, KQED's chief content officer, agreed. \"If our systems work behind closed doors, with no press or public access, we have no idea how decisions are made, nor what arguments are leading to these decisions,\" she said. \"KQED wants more sunlight on our legal system and we will fight on behalf of the public to get that access.\" \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11919970,news_11922040\" label=\"Related Posts\"]Supporters of Proposition 8 – a California ballot proposition passed by voters in 2008 that would have banned same-sex marriage in the state – previously appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, seeking to have the tapes sealed permanently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That court dismissed that request, saying the petitioners lacked legal standing for their appeal. The court also batted away the contention that unsealing the tapes would lead to harm or harassment of anyone directly involved in the trial and confirmed the lower court’s decision to unseal the tapes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a last-ditch effort to keep the tapes sealed, Proposition 8 proponents asked the Supreme Court to take up the case. In their \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-1304/219553/20220328101818830_Hollingsworth%20v.%20Perry%20Petition.pdf\">March 28, 2022 petition\u003c/a>, attorneys for Proposition 8 said the court's intervention was needed to \"prevent a grievous injury\" to the ballot measure's backers and to \"the integrity of the federal judiciary.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This entire issue began over 12 years ago, when Judge Vaughn R. Walker, the federal court judge who presided over the 2010 Perry v. Schwarzenegger trial, announced that he wanted the entire proceeding to be broadcast live via closed-circuit television with viewing in federal courthouses in San Francisco, Pasadena, Seattle and Portland, Oregon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That would have made Perry v. Schwarzenegger the first federal trial to be broadcast and recorded, with videotapes to be made available for later viewing on YouTube.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the Proposition 8 defense team objected as the bench trial was starting and the Supreme Court intervened, stopping the live broadcast before it began. The court said Walker failed to go through the appropriate process for getting approval for such a broadcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over objections from Proposition 8 attorneys, Walker said he would videotape the trial anyway for personal use in his chambers to help him write the decision, which ultimately struck down Proposition 8.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Responding to the Supreme Court's refusal to take up the case and allow the lower court rulings to stand, Walker, who is now retired from the bench, said the justices did the right thing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"With everything else going on in the world, not weighing in on this issue was an easy decision,\" said Walker. He added that the format of the Prop. 8 trial, with its expert witnesses providing testimony about the history, economics, sociology and psychology of gender roles and same-sex marriage could be a blueprint for judges in other controversial issues, including abortion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It was testimony by people who understood the whole panoply which gender plays in our society and in personal relationships,\" Walker said. \"Trials reveal things that simply cannot come out when you're scratching through old dusty books and records of the long past. And I think there are going to be many enactments affecting the abortion rights in the various states in the wake of the Dobbs decision.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In seeking to block release of the videotapes, attorneys for the ballot measure's proponents argued to the Supreme Court that Walker \"solemnly promised\" in court that the tapes would not be made public, and that doing so now would undermine public faith in the courts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-1304/226576/20220531111532780_Hollingsworth%20v.%20Perry%20--%20Brief%20in%20Opp.pdf\">response brief (PDF)\u003c/a>, attorneys for KQED argued that there was never a promise to keep the trial tapes sealed beyond 10 years and that Proposition 8 supporters failed to demonstrate any concrete injury that would come from releasing them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kris Perry, one of the original plaintiffs along with her partner Sandy Stier, said release of the tapes was long overdue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Since the 2010 ruling striking down Proposition 8, we have fought to have the video record of our historic trial shared with the public,\" Perry said. \"There is no more important time to expose the discriminatory rhetoric of proponents and the courage of the experts, attorneys and plaintiffs in standing up against hate. Even though it's been 12 years since our ruling, we know the fight for marriage equality and many other basic civil rights is still essential and this video shows the evidence for why.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 2009 lawsuit filed by supporters of same-sex marriage against Proposition 8 was considered risky by some progressive legal groups, which worried that a setback in federal court could take decades to undo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trial gained national attention, in part because the legal team seeking to have Proposition 8 struck down was led by conservative Theodore Olson and liberal David Boies, who were on \u003cem>opposite\u003c/em> sides of the infamous Bush v. Gore case following the disputed 2000 presidential election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The three-week trial in 2010 considered a wide range of issues, including the history of marriage, the political power of the LGBTQ+ community, the social and psychological harm of so-called \"conversion therapy\" and how the plaintiffs and their children were personally affected by being denied the right to marry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1984506746130471324&q=Perry+vs.+Schwarzenegger&hl=en&as_sdt=2006\">Judge Walker's decision in August 2010\u003c/a> struck down \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Proposition\u003c/span> 8 on the basis that it violated the due process and equal protection clauses of the 14th Amendment, saying California had no rational interest in denying marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples. The decision was later upheld in a 2-1 decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. In 2013, the Supreme Court declined to take up the case, ruling narrowly that \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Proposition \u003c/span>8 supporters lacked legal standing to appeal the lower court decisions, which opened the way for same-sex marriages to resume in California after a five-year hiatus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hollingsworth v. Perry et al was one of dozens of cases \"denied certiorari\" or denied review by the court today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked before Tuesday's decision when the trial tapes would be made available, a spokesperson for the courts said \"we will work with the judge in the underlying case to make them available promptly. They'll be posted on a publicly available site.\" No additional details were given.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Tuesday's decision is the culmination of a 12-year legal effort that began in 2009 when a media coalition led by KQED sought to have the Proposition 8 trial broadcast.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1665516446,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":27,"wordCount":1285},"headData":{"title":"Supreme Court Clears Way for Release of Footage From Landmark Trial That Legalized Same-Sex Marriage in California | KQED","description":"Tuesday's decision is the culmination of a 12-year legal effort that began in 2009 when a media coalition led by KQED sought to have the Proposition 8 trial broadcast.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11911275 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11911275","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/10/11/supreme-court-ruling-clears-way-for-release-of-footage-from-landmark-trial-that-legalized-same-sex-marriage-in-california/","disqusTitle":"Supreme Court Clears Way for Release of Footage From Landmark Trial That Legalized Same-Sex Marriage in California","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11911275/supreme-court-ruling-clears-way-for-release-of-footage-from-landmark-trial-that-legalized-same-sex-marriage-in-california","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>KQED scored a historic legal victory Tuesday when the U.S. Supreme Court declined to consider an effort to block the release of videotapes from the 2010 federal trial in San Francisco that ultimately led to the legalization of same-sex marriage in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tuesday's decision is the culmination of a 12-year legal effort that began in 2009 when a media coalition led by KQED sought to have the trial broadcast. In 2017 KQED asked the Northern District of California to unseal the trial tapes, arguing that the recordings were a vital part of the public record in a historic legal case. While the court did not agree to immediately release the tapes, it ordered them to be unsealed on Aug. 12, 2020 — 10 years after the case closed. In declining to hear an appeal of lower court rulings, the Supreme Court effectively cleared the way for the tapes to be released.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“After today’s ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, the public will finally be able to watch the testimony that Judge Vaughn Walker considered in deciding that same-sex couples have the right to marry,\" said Thomas R. Burke, KQED's attorney. \"There’s no doubt that the video will become a valuable instrument to educate the public about this historic moment.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Great news! Love wins again and now, so does transparency,\" said Jeff Zarillo, one of the original plaintiffs in the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Holly Kernan, KQED's chief content officer, agreed. \"If our systems work behind closed doors, with no press or public access, we have no idea how decisions are made, nor what arguments are leading to these decisions,\" she said. \"KQED wants more sunlight on our legal system and we will fight on behalf of the public to get that access.\" \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11919970,news_11922040","label":"Related Posts "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Supporters of Proposition 8 – a California ballot proposition passed by voters in 2008 that would have banned same-sex marriage in the state – previously appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, seeking to have the tapes sealed permanently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That court dismissed that request, saying the petitioners lacked legal standing for their appeal. The court also batted away the contention that unsealing the tapes would lead to harm or harassment of anyone directly involved in the trial and confirmed the lower court’s decision to unseal the tapes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a last-ditch effort to keep the tapes sealed, Proposition 8 proponents asked the Supreme Court to take up the case. In their \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-1304/219553/20220328101818830_Hollingsworth%20v.%20Perry%20Petition.pdf\">March 28, 2022 petition\u003c/a>, attorneys for Proposition 8 said the court's intervention was needed to \"prevent a grievous injury\" to the ballot measure's backers and to \"the integrity of the federal judiciary.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This entire issue began over 12 years ago, when Judge Vaughn R. Walker, the federal court judge who presided over the 2010 Perry v. 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The court said Walker failed to go through the appropriate process for getting approval for such a broadcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over objections from Proposition 8 attorneys, Walker said he would videotape the trial anyway for personal use in his chambers to help him write the decision, which ultimately struck down Proposition 8.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Responding to the Supreme Court's refusal to take up the case and allow the lower court rulings to stand, Walker, who is now retired from the bench, said the justices did the right thing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"With everything else going on in the world, not weighing in on this issue was an easy decision,\" said Walker. He added that the format of the Prop. 8 trial, with its expert witnesses providing testimony about the history, economics, sociology and psychology of gender roles and same-sex marriage could be a blueprint for judges in other controversial issues, including abortion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It was testimony by people who understood the whole panoply which gender plays in our society and in personal relationships,\" Walker said. \"Trials reveal things that simply cannot come out when you're scratching through old dusty books and records of the long past. And I think there are going to be many enactments affecting the abortion rights in the various states in the wake of the Dobbs decision.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In seeking to block release of the videotapes, attorneys for the ballot measure's proponents argued to the Supreme Court that Walker \"solemnly promised\" in court that the tapes would not be made public, and that doing so now would undermine public faith in the courts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-1304/226576/20220531111532780_Hollingsworth%20v.%20Perry%20--%20Brief%20in%20Opp.pdf\">response brief (PDF)\u003c/a>, attorneys for KQED argued that there was never a promise to keep the trial tapes sealed beyond 10 years and that Proposition 8 supporters failed to demonstrate any concrete injury that would come from releasing them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kris Perry, one of the original plaintiffs along with her partner Sandy Stier, said release of the tapes was long overdue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Since the 2010 ruling striking down Proposition 8, we have fought to have the video record of our historic trial shared with the public,\" Perry said. \"There is no more important time to expose the discriminatory rhetoric of proponents and the courage of the experts, attorneys and plaintiffs in standing up against hate. Even though it's been 12 years since our ruling, we know the fight for marriage equality and many other basic civil rights is still essential and this video shows the evidence for why.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 2009 lawsuit filed by supporters of same-sex marriage against Proposition 8 was considered risky by some progressive legal groups, which worried that a setback in federal court could take decades to undo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trial gained national attention, in part because the legal team seeking to have Proposition 8 struck down was led by conservative Theodore Olson and liberal David Boies, who were on \u003cem>opposite\u003c/em> sides of the infamous Bush v. Gore case following the disputed 2000 presidential election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The three-week trial in 2010 considered a wide range of issues, including the history of marriage, the political power of the LGBTQ+ community, the social and psychological harm of so-called \"conversion therapy\" and how the plaintiffs and their children were personally affected by being denied the right to marry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1984506746130471324&q=Perry+vs.+Schwarzenegger&hl=en&as_sdt=2006\">Judge Walker's decision in August 2010\u003c/a> struck down \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Proposition\u003c/span> 8 on the basis that it violated the due process and equal protection clauses of the 14th Amendment, saying California had no rational interest in denying marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples. The decision was later upheld in a 2-1 decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. In 2013, the Supreme Court declined to take up the case, ruling narrowly that \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Proposition \u003c/span>8 supporters lacked legal standing to appeal the lower court decisions, which opened the way for same-sex marriages to resume in California after a five-year hiatus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hollingsworth v. Perry et al was one of dozens of cases \"denied certiorari\" or denied review by the court today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked before Tuesday's decision when the trial tapes would be made available, a spokesperson for the courts said \"we will work with the judge in the underlying case to make them available promptly. They'll be posted on a publicly available site.\" No additional details were given.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11911275/supreme-court-ruling-clears-way-for-release-of-footage-from-landmark-trial-that-legalized-same-sex-marriage-in-california","authors":["255"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_27626","news_323","news_126","news_322","news_1244"],"featImg":"news_11926613","label":"news"},"news_11828252":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11828252","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11828252","score":null,"sort":[1594369825000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"judge-unseals-videotapes-of-historic-same-sex-marriage-trial","title":"Judge Unseals Videotapes of Historic Same-Sex Marriage Trial","publishDate":1594369825,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>Nearly a decade after a federal judge in San Francisco struck down Proposition 8, the ballot measure banning same-sex marriage in California, videotapes of the trial may finally be available, despite the objections of Prop. 8 supporters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Federal District Court Judge William Orrick Thursday rejected a motion by Prop. 8 proponents to permanently seal the videotapes, saying the motion contained \"no justification, much less a compelling one, to keep the trial recordings under seal any longer.\" He ordered the recordings to become public next month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's incredibly important to have it be open, not only for the historical record, but so the people can see this particular trial video,\" said Thomas R. Burke the attorney representing KQED. \"It's one of the only federal trial videos of its kind ever in the United States,\" he said. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Thomas R. Burke, lawyer on behalf of KQED\"]'It begs the question: What are they trying to hide? Because if they had legitimate concerns about risks to witnesses, they could have put in a declaration.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Burke added that it would be unusual for a judge to permanently prevent the public from getting access to a trial that was open to the public in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That is a rare circumstance. But it's particularly troubling in this case where what is being sealed is a record of an admitted historic trial that ultimately allowed in and found in favor of same-sex marriage,\" Burke said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED's Chief Content Officer Holly Kernan said it is a \"victory for transparency and accountability.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the trial began in 2010, District Court Judge Vaughn Walker announced he would allow courtroom cameras to both videotape the proceedings and make the images available in real time to those who wanted to see the trial on a closed circuit system in federal courthouses around the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]Prop. 8 proponents objected, and ultimately the U.S. Supreme Court intervened to block televising the trial. Despite the objections of attorneys on behalf of Prop. 8, Judge Walker continued recording the trial, promising that he would only use them privately to help in writing his opinion after the trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The current case has had a lengthy history. Over ten years ago, in 2008 California voters passed Prop. 8 by 52-48%. After the California Supreme Court upheld the measure, opponents sued in federal court, which led to the trial presided over by Judge Walker. In 2010, Walker struck down the law saying it violated the Due Process and Equal Protection clauses of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. In 2013 the U.S. Supreme Court let Walker's decision stand, allowing same-sex marriages to resume in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2017, KQED, supported by other media organizations including the New York Times, AP and CNN, submitted a motion to have the tapes made available to the public. The following year, in 2018, Judge Orrick said that \"compelling justification of judicial integrity\" outweighed the public's right to see the tapes at that time. He based that on Judge Walker's promise to keep the tapes private. But he never suggested they should be sealed indefinitely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Attorneys for Prop. 8 claimed releasing the tapes at any point would risk harm to witnesses who testified their opposition to same-sex marriage. However, as Judge Orrick noted, they \"did not submit evidence\" to support that claim which justified sealing the tapes forever. [aside tag=\"lgbt, proposition 8\" label=\"More Related Stories\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are deeply disappointed by Judge Orrick’s ruling that 'the compelling justification of judicial integrity' no longer requires the court to honor Judge Walker’s solemn, on the record, commitment that the video tapes of the trial would be used solely for his own in-chambers purposes in rendering his judgment in the case,\" said attorney John Ohlendorf in an email. \"We do not agree that there is a ten-year statute of limitations on judicial integrity, and we are preparing our appeal.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However attorney Thomas Burke said it's never been clear to him why the measure's proponents felt so strongly about preventing the public from seeing the tapes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It begs the question: What are they trying to hide? Because if they had legitimate concerns about risks to witnesses, they could have put in a declaration. They've never done that,\" Burke said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Burke says it's past time to allow the public to see the trial which led to the historic decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The trial's over. No more witnesses are happening. The law has been changed,\" Burke said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unless a higher court intervenes, the videotapes will be made public August 12, 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[documentcloud url=\"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6986060-2020-07-09-909-Order-Denying-892-Motion-to.html\" responsive=true text=false]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Note: At the request of KQED's attorney, the author submitted a declaration to the court describing potential editorial uses of the videotapes if they were released.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A decade after Proposition 8 was struck down, the public may soon be able to see videotapes of the federal trial.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1594419254,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":20,"wordCount":836},"headData":{"title":"Judge Unseals Videotapes of Historic Same-Sex Marriage Trial | KQED","description":"A decade after Proposition 8 was struck down, the public may soon be able to see videotapes of the federal trial.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11828252 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11828252","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2020/07/10/judge-unseals-videotapes-of-historic-same-sex-marriage-trial/","disqusTitle":"Judge Unseals Videotapes of Historic Same-Sex Marriage Trial","source":"News","sourceUrl":"http://kqed.org/","path":"/news/11828252/judge-unseals-videotapes-of-historic-same-sex-marriage-trial","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Nearly a decade after a federal judge in San Francisco struck down Proposition 8, the ballot measure banning same-sex marriage in California, videotapes of the trial may finally be available, despite the objections of Prop. 8 supporters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Federal District Court Judge William Orrick Thursday rejected a motion by Prop. 8 proponents to permanently seal the videotapes, saying the motion contained \"no justification, much less a compelling one, to keep the trial recordings under seal any longer.\" He ordered the recordings to become public next month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's incredibly important to have it be open, not only for the historical record, but so the people can see this particular trial video,\" said Thomas R. 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But it's particularly troubling in this case where what is being sealed is a record of an admitted historic trial that ultimately allowed in and found in favor of same-sex marriage,\" Burke said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED's Chief Content Officer Holly Kernan said it is a \"victory for transparency and accountability.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the trial began in 2010, District Court Judge Vaughn Walker announced he would allow courtroom cameras to both videotape the proceedings and make the images available in real time to those who wanted to see the trial on a closed circuit system in federal courthouses around the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Prop. 8 proponents objected, and ultimately the U.S. Supreme Court intervened to block televising the trial. Despite the objections of attorneys on behalf of Prop. 8, Judge Walker continued recording the trial, promising that he would only use them privately to help in writing his opinion after the trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The current case has had a lengthy history. Over ten years ago, in 2008 California voters passed Prop. 8 by 52-48%. After the California Supreme Court upheld the measure, opponents sued in federal court, which led to the trial presided over by Judge Walker. In 2010, Walker struck down the law saying it violated the Due Process and Equal Protection clauses of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. In 2013 the U.S. Supreme Court let Walker's decision stand, allowing same-sex marriages to resume in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2017, KQED, supported by other media organizations including the New York Times, AP and CNN, submitted a motion to have the tapes made available to the public. The following year, in 2018, Judge Orrick said that \"compelling justification of judicial integrity\" outweighed the public's right to see the tapes at that time. He based that on Judge Walker's promise to keep the tapes private. But he never suggested they should be sealed indefinitely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Attorneys for Prop. 8 claimed releasing the tapes at any point would risk harm to witnesses who testified their opposition to same-sex marriage. However, as Judge Orrick noted, they \"did not submit evidence\" to support that claim which justified sealing the tapes forever. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"lgbt, proposition 8","label":"More Related Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are deeply disappointed by Judge Orrick’s ruling that 'the compelling justification of judicial integrity' no longer requires the court to honor Judge Walker’s solemn, on the record, commitment that the video tapes of the trial would be used solely for his own in-chambers purposes in rendering his judgment in the case,\" said attorney John Ohlendorf in an email. \"We do not agree that there is a ten-year statute of limitations on judicial integrity, and we are preparing our appeal.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However attorney Thomas Burke said it's never been clear to him why the measure's proponents felt so strongly about preventing the public from seeing the tapes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It begs the question: What are they trying to hide? Because if they had legitimate concerns about risks to witnesses, they could have put in a declaration. They've never done that,\" Burke said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Burke says it's past time to allow the public to see the trial which led to the historic decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The trial's over. No more witnesses are happening. The law has been changed,\" Burke said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unless a higher court intervenes, the videotapes will be made public August 12, 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"documentcloud","attributes":{"named":{"url":"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6986060-2020-07-09-909-Order-Denying-892-Motion-to.html","responsive":"true","text":"false","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Note: At the request of KQED's attorney, the author submitted a declaration to the court describing potential editorial uses of the videotapes if they were released.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11828252/judge-unseals-videotapes-of-historic-same-sex-marriage-trial","authors":["255"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_82","news_17968","news_126","news_322"],"featImg":"news_68606","label":"source_news_11828252"},"news_11737919":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11737919","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11737919","score":null,"sort":[1554410316000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"mormons-repeal-ban-on-baptisms-for-children-of-gay-parents","title":"Mormons Repeal Ban on Baptisms for Children of Gay Parents","publishDate":1554410316,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Thursday repealed rules banning baptisms for children of gay parents and making gay marriage a sin eligible for expulsion — marking a reversal of policies condemned as jarring detours from a push by the faith to be more compassionate about LGBTQ issues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 2015 rules that were approved by global church leaders had prohibited baptisms for children living with gay parents until the children turned 18 and disavowed same-sex relationships.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With the change, children of gay parents can now be baptized as long as their parents approve the baptisms and acknowledge that the children will be taught church doctrine, the church said in a statement from its highest leadership group called the First Presidency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The faith, widely known as the Mormon church, said in a statement that it is not changing its doctrinal opposition to gay marriage and still considers same-sex relationships to be a \"serious transgression.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But people in same-sex relationships will no longer be considered \"apostates\" who can be kicked out of the religion, the statement said. That label given to same-sex couples in the 2015 policy was widely condemned by LGBTQ members and allies as being demeaning and hurtful to people who already struggle to find acceptance in the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The very positive policies announced this morning should help affected families,\" church leaders said in the statement. \"In addition, our members' efforts to show more understanding, compassion and love should increase respect and understanding among all people of goodwill. We want to reduce the hate and contention so common today.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The faith that counts 16 million members worldwide did not apologize for putting the previous policy in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Troy Williams with the LGBT-advocacy group Equality Utah called the announcement a big step forward for the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Clearly this is a great development for the church,\" he said. \"I think this will go a long way toward healing Latter-day Saint families that have LGBT members.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Erika Munson, co-founder of the group Mormons Building Bridges that advocates for LGBTQ members of the faith, said there's a \"great feeling of being heard\" because the change came after an outcry from church members, including a public mass resignation by several hundred people shortly after it was announced.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We saw the church correct a mistake in record time,\" Munson said. \"Usually these things take maybe 100 years or more.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But emotional trauma caused by the policy still lingers, said Lisa Dame, a member of a mothers group called \"Mama Dragons\" that advocates for parents with LGBTQ members of the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dame said the policy did not affect large numbers of church members, but carried an implicit unwelcoming message. She is a heterosexual Mormon who has five children, including a 33-year-old daughter who is a lesbian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Especially in the LGBTQ community that are Mormon, it was like a bomb had gone off,\" Dame said. \"There would have been so much more healing to have had an apology that acknowledged the damage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change marks the biggest move yet by church President Russell M. Nelson, who became the leader of the faith in January 2018 and has made a series of changes to how the church functions since taking over, including a campaign to eradicate well-known nicknames for the faith and severing the faith's longstanding ties with the Boy Scouts of America.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The announcement came two days before Saturday's twice-yearly church conference in Salt Lake City. It was unknown if church leaders will speak more about the changes during the two-day conference, where church leaders give speeches about spirituality and sometimes unveil new church initiatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move marks a reset for the faith on LGBTQ issues, undoing the one major detour from a decade-long path by the faith to carve out a more open and compassionate position on LGBTQ issues while sticking to doctrinal opposition of gay marriage and intimacy between people in same-sex relationships, said, Patrick Mason, a religion professor at Claremont Graduate University in California who studies the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That policy always seemed out of step,\" Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The policy triggered displeasure and protests from liberal and conservative members alike and hurt the church's image from within, Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That struck a nerve with people, even with longtime, faithful otherwise conservative and orthodox members,\" Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change announced Thursday shows that church leaders \"are in fact responsive to people's concerns,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside tag='gay-rights' label='KQED coverage of LGBTQ rights']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Faith leaders had previously explained that the 2015 rules were designed to protect kids by not putting them in a potential tug-of-war between the beliefs of same-sex couples raising them and teachings and activities at church.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nelson, then a member of a governing body that helps the president lead the church, defended the policy in a 2016 speech in which he said a revelation received by then-President Thomas S. Monson and other leaders gave them \"spiritual confirmation\" that the rules were the right thing to do after many states legalized gay marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Church leaders said in the statement that the change reversing the 2015 decisions was made after \"fervent, united prayer to understand the will of the Lord on these matters.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The speed at which church leaders and Nelson in particular changed course on this topic was rare and surprising, said Matthew Bowman, an associate professor of history at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas, who studies the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It seems to indicate that ultimately they decided it was doing more harm than good,\" Bowman said.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The faith, widely known as the Mormon church, said it is not changing its doctrinal opposition to gay marriage and still considers same-sex relationships to be a \"serious transgression.\"","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1554410316,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":29,"wordCount":944},"headData":{"title":"Mormons Repeal Ban on Baptisms for Children of Gay Parents | KQED","description":"The faith, widely known as the Mormon church, said it is not changing its doctrinal opposition to gay marriage and still considers same-sex relationships to be a "serious transgression."","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11737919 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11737919","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2019/04/04/mormons-repeal-ban-on-baptisms-for-children-of-gay-parents/","disqusTitle":"Mormons Repeal Ban on Baptisms for Children of Gay Parents","source":"The Associated Press","nprByline":"Brady McCombs and Lindsay Whitehurst","path":"/news/11737919/mormons-repeal-ban-on-baptisms-for-children-of-gay-parents","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Thursday repealed rules banning baptisms for children of gay parents and making gay marriage a sin eligible for expulsion — marking a reversal of policies condemned as jarring detours from a push by the faith to be more compassionate about LGBTQ issues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 2015 rules that were approved by global church leaders had prohibited baptisms for children living with gay parents until the children turned 18 and disavowed same-sex relationships.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With the change, children of gay parents can now be baptized as long as their parents approve the baptisms and acknowledge that the children will be taught church doctrine, the church said in a statement from its highest leadership group called the First Presidency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The faith, widely known as the Mormon church, said in a statement that it is not changing its doctrinal opposition to gay marriage and still considers same-sex relationships to be a \"serious transgression.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But people in same-sex relationships will no longer be considered \"apostates\" who can be kicked out of the religion, the statement said. That label given to same-sex couples in the 2015 policy was widely condemned by LGBTQ members and allies as being demeaning and hurtful to people who already struggle to find acceptance in the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The very positive policies announced this morning should help affected families,\" church leaders said in the statement. \"In addition, our members' efforts to show more understanding, compassion and love should increase respect and understanding among all people of goodwill. We want to reduce the hate and contention so common today.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The faith that counts 16 million members worldwide did not apologize for putting the previous policy in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Troy Williams with the LGBT-advocacy group Equality Utah called the announcement a big step forward for the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Clearly this is a great development for the church,\" he said. \"I think this will go a long way toward healing Latter-day Saint families that have LGBT members.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Erika Munson, co-founder of the group Mormons Building Bridges that advocates for LGBTQ members of the faith, said there's a \"great feeling of being heard\" because the change came after an outcry from church members, including a public mass resignation by several hundred people shortly after it was announced.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We saw the church correct a mistake in record time,\" Munson said. \"Usually these things take maybe 100 years or more.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But emotional trauma caused by the policy still lingers, said Lisa Dame, a member of a mothers group called \"Mama Dragons\" that advocates for parents with LGBTQ members of the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dame said the policy did not affect large numbers of church members, but carried an implicit unwelcoming message. She is a heterosexual Mormon who has five children, including a 33-year-old daughter who is a lesbian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Especially in the LGBTQ community that are Mormon, it was like a bomb had gone off,\" Dame said. \"There would have been so much more healing to have had an apology that acknowledged the damage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change marks the biggest move yet by church President Russell M. Nelson, who became the leader of the faith in January 2018 and has made a series of changes to how the church functions since taking over, including a campaign to eradicate well-known nicknames for the faith and severing the faith's longstanding ties with the Boy Scouts of America.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The announcement came two days before Saturday's twice-yearly church conference in Salt Lake City. It was unknown if church leaders will speak more about the changes during the two-day conference, where church leaders give speeches about spirituality and sometimes unveil new church initiatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move marks a reset for the faith on LGBTQ issues, undoing the one major detour from a decade-long path by the faith to carve out a more open and compassionate position on LGBTQ issues while sticking to doctrinal opposition of gay marriage and intimacy between people in same-sex relationships, said, Patrick Mason, a religion professor at Claremont Graduate University in California who studies the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That policy always seemed out of step,\" Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The policy triggered displeasure and protests from liberal and conservative members alike and hurt the church's image from within, Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That struck a nerve with people, even with longtime, faithful otherwise conservative and orthodox members,\" Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change announced Thursday shows that church leaders \"are in fact responsive to people's concerns,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"gay-rights","label":"KQED coverage of LGBTQ rights "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Faith leaders had previously explained that the 2015 rules were designed to protect kids by not putting them in a potential tug-of-war between the beliefs of same-sex couples raising them and teachings and activities at church.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nelson, then a member of a governing body that helps the president lead the church, defended the policy in a 2016 speech in which he said a revelation received by then-President Thomas S. Monson and other leaders gave them \"spiritual confirmation\" that the rules were the right thing to do after many states legalized gay marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Church leaders said in the statement that the change reversing the 2015 decisions was made after \"fervent, united prayer to understand the will of the Lord on these matters.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The speed at which church leaders and Nelson in particular changed course on this topic was rare and surprising, said Matthew Bowman, an associate professor of history at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas, who studies the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It seems to indicate that ultimately they decided it was doing more harm than good,\" Bowman 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— said, \"they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Saltzman told \u003ca href=\"https://www.queerty.com/exclusive-bert-ernie-couple-finally-answer-20180916\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cem>Queerty\u003c/em>\u003c/a> that he based his writing on his relationship with his longtime partner, film editor Arnold Glassman saying, \"I don’t think I’d know how else to write them but as a loving couple.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bert and Ernie have lived together for 49 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Bert and Ernie were outed by Sesame Street writer Mark Saltzman, although Sesame Workshop said, \"they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual 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rel=\"noopener\">outed by Sesame Street writer Mark Saltzman\u003c/a>, although Sesame Workshop — the nonprofit behind the renowned children's show — said, \"they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Saltzman told \u003ca href=\"https://www.queerty.com/exclusive-bert-ernie-couple-finally-answer-20180916\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cem>Queerty\u003c/em>\u003c/a> that he based his writing on his relationship with his longtime partner, film editor Arnold Glassman saying, \"I don’t think I’d know how else to write them but as a loving couple.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bert and Ernie have lived together for 49 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv 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Kentucky clerk who was jailed for refusing to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples, has been, well, a godsend to late-night comedians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It has also been an opportunity for one California comedy writer, who created the Twitter account \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/search?q=sit%20next%20to%20kim%20davis&src=tyah\" target=\"_blank\">@sitnexttokimdavis\u003c/a>. It was inspired by the photo of a slightly stunned co-worker sitting next to Davis. And the tweets are in her voice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I reached out to the writer with a Twitter message and he responded right away. Then we talked by phone. He's a comedy writer in Los Angeles who asked that we use only his first name, Dave.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dave said he started the account as a joke on a friend's Facebook page. It now has more than 91,000 followers. \"Five minutes after I created it, (gay columnist) Dan Savage called it his new favorite Twitter account -- and I haven't left my computer since.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The tweets are all in the voice of Davis' co-worker, seen in a photo of the office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"LOL MY BOSS IS IN JAIL RIGHT NOW,\" said one tweet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're going to hide the shredder. That will drive #KimDavis crazy when she gets here,\" said another, after Davis was released from jail Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dave said he \"absolutely\" supports gay marriage and notes that while he was growing up in Montgomery, Alabama, his grandparents were active in the civil rights movement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were also friends with Rosa Parks and, you know, to equate the two things (Davis refusing to give out marriage licenses to gay couples and Parks refusing to give up her seat on a bus) is shocking to me, and little offensive,\" said Dave.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked Dave what surprised him most since the account went live.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The thing that surprises me the most is how much more reaction I get when I mention a piece of office equipment,\" he said in all seriousness. \"Any tweet that refers to a Xerox machine or a chair, people really, really seem to enjoy.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, Dave hopes to de-escalate the whole issue by keeping it all in perspective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This is just one person, not a huge movement, not a huge war,\" Dave said. \"Just one person being kind of a jerk to everybody at her work.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dave came to L.A. five years ago from Chicago, where he worked for the legendary \u003ca href=\"http://www.secondcity.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Second City\u003c/a> comedy club that launched the likes of Dan Aykroyd and Jim Belushi. Now he teaches comedy and improv classes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He realizes this Twitter thing going viral could be a career opportunity for him. Still, he's waiting for advice from his agent before he reveals his full identity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I'm not sure that's a good idea,\" he said. \"I don't want to put myself out on this in a way that's not safe for me.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"It turns out the person behind the viral account is a comedy writer living in Los Angeles. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1441766544,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":501},"headData":{"title":"Meet the Californian Behind the Hilarious @nexttokimdavis Twitter Account | KQED","description":"It turns out the person behind the viral account is a comedy writer living in Los Angeles. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"10673637 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=10673637","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/09/08/meet-the-californian-behind-the-hilarious-nexttokimdavis-twitter-account/","disqusTitle":"Meet the Californian Behind the Hilarious @nexttokimdavis Twitter Account","path":"/news/10673637/meet-the-californian-behind-the-hilarious-nexttokimdavis-twitter-account","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The national hysteria over \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0\" target=\"_blank\">Kim Davis\u003c/a>, the Kentucky clerk who was jailed for refusing to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples, has been, well, a godsend to late-night comedians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It has also been an opportunity for one California comedy writer, who created the Twitter account \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/search?q=sit%20next%20to%20kim%20davis&src=tyah\" target=\"_blank\">@sitnexttokimdavis\u003c/a>. It was inspired by the photo of a slightly stunned co-worker sitting next to Davis. And the tweets are in her voice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I reached out to the writer with a Twitter message and he responded right away. Then we talked by phone. He's a comedy writer in Los Angeles who asked that we use only his first name, Dave.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dave said he started the account as a joke on a friend's Facebook page. It now has more than 91,000 followers. \"Five minutes after I created it, (gay columnist) Dan Savage called it his new favorite Twitter account -- and I haven't left my computer since.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The tweets are all in the voice of Davis' co-worker, seen in a photo of the office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"LOL MY BOSS IS IN JAIL RIGHT NOW,\" said one tweet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're going to hide the shredder. That will drive #KimDavis crazy when she gets here,\" said another, after Davis was released from jail Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dave said he \"absolutely\" supports gay marriage and notes that while he was growing up in Montgomery, Alabama, his grandparents were active in the civil rights movement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were also friends with Rosa Parks and, you know, to equate the two things (Davis refusing to give out marriage licenses to gay couples and Parks refusing to give up her seat on a bus) is shocking to me, and little offensive,\" said Dave.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked Dave what surprised him most since the account went live.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The thing that surprises me the most is how much more reaction I get when I mention a piece of office equipment,\" he said in all seriousness. \"Any tweet that refers to a Xerox machine or a chair, people really, really seem to enjoy.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, Dave hopes to de-escalate the whole issue by keeping it all in perspective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This is just one person, not a huge movement, not a huge war,\" Dave said. \"Just one person being kind of a jerk to everybody at her work.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dave came to L.A. five years ago from Chicago, where he worked for the legendary \u003ca href=\"http://www.secondcity.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Second City\u003c/a> comedy club that launched the likes of Dan Aykroyd and Jim Belushi. Now he teaches comedy and improv classes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He realizes this Twitter thing going viral could be a career opportunity for him. Still, he's waiting for advice from his agent before he reveals his full identity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I'm not sure that's a good idea,\" he said. \"I don't want to put myself out on this in a way that's not safe for me.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/10673637/meet-the-californian-behind-the-hilarious-nexttokimdavis-twitter-account","authors":["255"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_223","news_6188","news_13"],"tags":["news_82","news_322","news_17286"],"featImg":"news_10673754","label":"news_72"},"news_10578528":{"type":"posts","id":"news_10578528","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"10578528","score":null,"sort":[1435362658000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"cleve-jones-marriage-equality-is-an-extraordinary-victory-for-everybody","title":"Cleve Jones: Marriage Equality Is An Extraordinary Victory for Everybody","publishDate":1435362658,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Cleve Jones was on 18th Street in San Francisco's Castro neighborhood when he heard the news.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the AIDS activist and co-founder of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfaf.org/?referrer=https://www.google.com/\">San Francisco AIDS Foundation\u003c/a>, the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage\">U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on gay marriage\u003c/a> brought him to tears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I began the day by weeping,\" said Jones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The former adviser to \u003ca href=\"http://milkfoundation.org/about/harvey-milk-biography/\">Harvey Milk\u003c/a>, the pioneering San Francisco supervisor killed in 1978, is known for creating the enormous \u003ca href=\"http://www.aidsquilt.org/\">NAMES Project AIDS Memorial Quilt\u003c/a>, which celebrated those who died of AIDS or AIDS-related causes. At 54 tons, it's the largest piece of community folk art in the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/\">KQED\u003c/a> News reporter Tara Siler asked Jones about the significance of today:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[soundcloud url=\"https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212155511\" params=\"color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" iframe=\"true\" /]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Cleve Jones: \u003c/strong>I got up at 7:02 a.m. and turned on the computer and totally lost it. I'm 60 years old and I did not think I would live to see this day. I'm so very grateful to be alive, but I also remember all of my wonderful friends and comrades who didn't live long enough to see this day. So they're very much with me and my thoughts, and they'll be with us tonight as we party and dance on Castro Street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tara Siler:\u003c/strong> Well, I thought of that. You conceived the AIDS quilt back in 1985 to commemorate the lives of those who died of AIDS … and there's a lot of people represented on that quilt who did not live to see today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jones:\u003c/strong> Yes, we lost close to 25,000 gay men in this city alone, and most of them lived here in my neighborhood, so it's a poignant day. But it is nonetheless an extraordinary victory not only for gay people but for everybody who cares about our democracy, who cares about human rights and fundamental justice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Siler:\u003c/strong> You know, Cleve, you were fighting for gay rights back in the 1970s. Are there key moments you could point to from that time that you think helped set the stage for this moment today?\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">'I'm 60 years old and I did not think I would live to see this day.'\u003ccite>Cleve Jones, AIDS activist\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jones:\u003c/strong> Well, of course, I can't help but think about Harvey Milk. And the fight against the Briggs Initiative and Proposition 6, back in 1978, was the first time we really had to mobilize our grass-roots troops. And it was a victory, a statewide victory that would not be repeated for 34 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what I'm really reflecting on is the reality that, those times when we have jumped forward have come when people took risks, took bold action. And I'm thinking in particular of 2004 when then-Mayor Gavin Newsom and City Attorney Dennis Herrera began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples in San Francisco City Hall, and they were condemned vociferously by all of the national gay and lesbian organizations, by the Democratic Party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But that set the stage for Prop. 8. And when Prop. 8 passed, that unleashed a new explosion of grass-roots energy that propelled us to this point. But even then, as late as the spring and summer of 2009, all of the national gay organizations and our Democratic Party allies were saying, \"Don't go to federal court, it's too risky.\" Fortunately, they were ignored and today we are celebrating the results of that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Siler:\u003c/strong> Well, are you surprised that this issue -- marriage equality -- took hold and moved public opinion, frankly, and the Supreme Court?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jones:\u003c/strong> Well, certainly back in the '70s, I would have thought that marriage equality would have come after we achieved protection against discrimination in employment and housing and public accommodation. So I was startled by the speed with which the \"Don't Ask, Don't Tell\" policy was overturned and gay people were welcomed into the armed forces, that came much more quickly than I expected it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But this focus on marriage equality, many young people think that this focus on marriage equality was imposed on the community by the big national groups in an effort to raise money and make this more respectable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in reality, they all opposed it. And the push for this, I believe, is rooted in our experience with the AIDS pandemic. After what we went through -- the losses we endured -- and all of the loving couples then who cared for partners as they died, sometimes for many years, and the millions of dollars we had to raise to care for our brothers and sisters, all of that, I think, left us with this feeling of: \"How dare you say this isn't a marriage? How dare you say this isn't a family? This is what a marriage looks like, this is what families are.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Gay rights activist says bonds formed during AIDS epidemic helped reshape meaning of marriage and family.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1435362864,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":19,"wordCount":841},"headData":{"title":"Cleve Jones: Marriage Equality Is An Extraordinary Victory for Everybody | KQED","description":"Gay rights activist says bonds formed during AIDS epidemic helped reshape meaning of marriage and family.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"10578528 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=10578528","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/cleve-jones-marriage-equality-is-an-extraordinary-victory-for-everybody/","disqusTitle":"Cleve Jones: Marriage Equality Is An Extraordinary Victory for Everybody","path":"/news/10578528/cleve-jones-marriage-equality-is-an-extraordinary-victory-for-everybody","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Cleve Jones was on 18th Street in San Francisco's Castro neighborhood when he heard the news.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the AIDS activist and co-founder of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfaf.org/?referrer=https://www.google.com/\">San Francisco AIDS Foundation\u003c/a>, the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage\">U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on gay marriage\u003c/a> brought him to tears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I began the day by weeping,\" said Jones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The former adviser to \u003ca href=\"http://milkfoundation.org/about/harvey-milk-biography/\">Harvey Milk\u003c/a>, the pioneering San Francisco supervisor killed in 1978, is known for creating the enormous \u003ca href=\"http://www.aidsquilt.org/\">NAMES Project AIDS Memorial Quilt\u003c/a>, which celebrated those who died of AIDS or AIDS-related causes. At 54 tons, it's the largest piece of community folk art in the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/\">KQED\u003c/a> News reporter Tara Siler asked Jones about the significance of today:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__shortcodes__shortcodeWrapper'>\n \u003ciframe width='100%' height='166'\n scrolling='no' frameborder='no'\n src='https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212155511&visual=true&color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false'\n title='https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212155511'>\n \u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Cleve Jones: \u003c/strong>I got up at 7:02 a.m. and turned on the computer and totally lost it. I'm 60 years old and I did not think I would live to see this day. I'm so very grateful to be alive, but I also remember all of my wonderful friends and comrades who didn't live long enough to see this day. So they're very much with me and my thoughts, and they'll be with us tonight as we party and dance on Castro Street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tara Siler:\u003c/strong> Well, I thought of that. You conceived the AIDS quilt back in 1985 to commemorate the lives of those who died of AIDS … and there's a lot of people represented on that quilt who did not live to see today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jones:\u003c/strong> Yes, we lost close to 25,000 gay men in this city alone, and most of them lived here in my neighborhood, so it's a poignant day. But it is nonetheless an extraordinary victory not only for gay people but for everybody who cares about our democracy, who cares about human rights and fundamental justice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Siler:\u003c/strong> You know, Cleve, you were fighting for gay rights back in the 1970s. Are there key moments you could point to from that time that you think helped set the stage for this moment today?\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">'I'm 60 years old and I did not think I would live to see this day.'\u003ccite>Cleve Jones, AIDS activist\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jones:\u003c/strong> Well, of course, I can't help but think about Harvey Milk. And the fight against the Briggs Initiative and Proposition 6, back in 1978, was the first time we really had to mobilize our grass-roots troops. And it was a victory, a statewide victory that would not be repeated for 34 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what I'm really reflecting on is the reality that, those times when we have jumped forward have come when people took risks, took bold action. And I'm thinking in particular of 2004 when then-Mayor Gavin Newsom and City Attorney Dennis Herrera began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples in San Francisco City Hall, and they were condemned vociferously by all of the national gay and lesbian organizations, by the Democratic Party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But that set the stage for Prop. 8. And when Prop. 8 passed, that unleashed a new explosion of grass-roots energy that propelled us to this point. But even then, as late as the spring and summer of 2009, all of the national gay organizations and our Democratic Party allies were saying, \"Don't go to federal court, it's too risky.\" Fortunately, they were ignored and today we are celebrating the results of that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Siler:\u003c/strong> Well, are you surprised that this issue -- marriage equality -- took hold and moved public opinion, frankly, and the Supreme Court?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jones:\u003c/strong> Well, certainly back in the '70s, I would have thought that marriage equality would have come after we achieved protection against discrimination in employment and housing and public accommodation. So I was startled by the speed with which the \"Don't Ask, Don't Tell\" policy was overturned and gay people were welcomed into the armed forces, that came much more quickly than I expected it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But this focus on marriage equality, many young people think that this focus on marriage equality was imposed on the community by the big national groups in an effort to raise money and make this more respectable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in reality, they all opposed it. And the push for this, I believe, is rooted in our experience with the AIDS pandemic. After what we went through -- the losses we endured -- and all of the loving couples then who cared for partners as they died, sometimes for many years, and the millions of dollars we had to raise to care for our brothers and sisters, all of that, I think, left us with this feeling of: \"How dare you say this isn't a marriage? How dare you say this isn't a family? This is what a marriage looks like, this is what families are.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/10578528/cleve-jones-marriage-equality-is-an-extraordinary-victory-for-everybody","authors":["257","5432"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_5438","news_322","news_1172"],"featImg":"news_10578529","label":"news_72"},"news_10578188":{"type":"posts","id":"news_10578188","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"10578188","score":null,"sort":[1435338800000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bay-area-reacts-to-the-same-sex-marriage-supreme-court-decision","title":"Bay Area Reacts to the Same-Sex Marriage Supreme Court Decision","publishDate":1435338800,"format":"video","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Starting at 7 a.m. thousands of people poured out into the streets to celebrate -- and some to protest -- the Supreme Court's decision to overturn same-sex marriage bans on Friday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578909\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578909\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"The Trans March began in Dolores Park.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-400x267.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-1440x960.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Trans March began in Dolores Park. \u003ccite>(Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Hundreds of people walked from Dolores Park at San Francisco's Trans March.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578910\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578910\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Three children march with their mother.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-400x267.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-1440x960.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Three children march with their mother. \u003ccite>(Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Sabina, Amia and Nevavah shout during the Trans March. Their mom says that transgender equality is an important issue in their family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578964\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578964\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"The party continues after the Trans March.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-400x267.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-1440x960.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The party continues after the Trans March. \u003ccite>(Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A group takes a cable car downtown after the Trans March.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>17th and Market was electric as the crowd began to swell for the night's festivities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578845\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6865.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578845 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6865-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Tourists joined locals in celebrating the Supreme Court's decision (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tourists joined locals in celebrating the Supreme Court's decision. From left: Gina DeNoble, Jennifer Bunnell, Rachel Cortes, and Matthew Taylor (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"We're on a gay road trip through California. We just came out of Yosemite with no cell reception and were like woah, marriage equality! We were looking at bears yesterday. This is awesome!\" -- \u003cstrong>Matthew Taylor (far right), from Australia\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578851\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6944.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578851 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6944-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Walter Gaylor had an ecstatic message for everyone within earshot (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Walter Gaylor had an ecstatic message for everyone within earshot (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Love, peace, happiness, joy, multiple organisms, and equality! For all 50 states, and all of humanity!\" \u003cstrong>– Walter Gaylord\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578853\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6922.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578853 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6922-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"These two friends are visiting from San Diego (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">These two friends are visiting from San Diego (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"It's about damn time, America! But I'm afraid this will make hateful people worse. I'm worried you will see more protesters than usual at the pride parade. \u003cstrong>-- Maurice Egan (right) and Marco Bullock from San Diego\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578859\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6915.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578859 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6915-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Lisa Cacari Stone and Roberta Duran are visiting from New Mexico (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lisa Cacari Stone and Roberta Duran are visiting from New Mexico (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"We're part of the Sandoval 64 -- we were married in 2004 when our county clerk issued marriage licenses for a short time. We were in limbo until last winter. I can't believe we're seeing this in our lifetime. But it's a sweet sorrow today because with the funeral in Charleston -- we're still killing people if you're visibly gay or black.\" \u003cstrong>-- Lisa Cacari Stone (left) and partner of 20 years Roberta Duran, from New Mexico.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kate Kendell, who leads the National Center for Lesbian Rights, has been at the forefront of this political and legal movement. She spoke to KQED's Tara Siler, \"I want to harness this momentum. Economic inequality still festers, racism is still corrosive and in so many places in this country. LGBT people are in every community and we are impacted by inequality.\"\u003cbr>\n[soundcloud url=\"https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212158991\" params=\"color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" iframe=\"true\" /]\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578855\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6888.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578855 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6888-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"Some Castro dignitaries joined the celebration (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Some Castro dignitaries joined the celebration (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I'm the creator of the rainbow flag-- Google it! \u003cstrong>-- Gilbert Baker\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I began the day by weeping,” Cleve Jones, AIDS activist and former adviser to Harvey Milk, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/cleve-jones-marriage-equality-is-an-extraordinary-victory-for-everybody\" target=\"_blank\">told KQED's Tara Siler\u003c/a>. \"I got up at 7:02 a.m. and turned on the computer and totally lost it. I’m 60 years old and I did not think I would live to see this day. I’m so very grateful to be alive, but I also remember all of my wonderful friends and comrades who didn’t live long enough to see this day. So they’re very much with me and my thoughts, and they’ll be with us tonight as we party and dance on Castro Street.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[soundcloud url=\"https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212155511\" params=\"color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" iframe=\"true\" /]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>-- Earlier --\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hundreds gathered outside San Francisco's City Hall Friday morning after \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage\" target=\"_blank\">the U.S. Supreme Court struck down bans\u003c/a> on same-sex marriage nationally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578256\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578256\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-800x293.jpg\" alt=\"Elected officials spoke at a press conference outside San Francisco City Hall.\" width=\"800\" height=\"293\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-800x293.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-400x146.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-1440x527.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-1180x432.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-960x351.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan.jpg 1640w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Elected officials spoke at a press conference outside San Francisco City Hall. \u003ccite>(Nicole Reinert/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"What a wonderful day,\" said San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera. Reflecting on \"where we were 11 years ago, and the challenges we knew we were going to face,\" Herrera said, \"We've had a lot of ups, we've had some downs. But all of us collectively never ever wavered in doing what was right.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Herrera added that he believes there is more work to be done to end discriminatory practices against same-sex couples. \"This is another brick in the wall of equality,\" he said. \"But there is still discrimination we have to fight.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578379\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578379 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"“Today, San Francisco’s values become America’s values,” said State Senator Mark Leno (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-400x600.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-1440x2160.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-1180x1770.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-960x1440.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">“Today, San Francisco’s values become America’s values,” said state Sen. Mark Leno. (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>State Sen. Mark Leno hailed the U.S. Supreme Court decision as a milestone, saying, \"Today, San Francisco's values become America's values.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet he echoed the sentiment that there is more to be done. \"How can you get married this morning and get fired this afternoon, because of the gender of your spouse?\" he asked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Time and time again, this community has said, 'Hell no, we're not going anywhere,' \" said Supervisor Scott Wiener. \"Today we win again. It's a giant step forward, but our work isn't done.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supervisor David Campos linked the battle for marriage equality to broader social justice issues. \"Forty percent of our homeless are queer,\" he said. \"It's not just legal equality, but socioeconomic equality for everyone in the community.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578382\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578382 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, standing in front of City Hall Friday, was mayor in 2004 when he ordered the San Francisco county clerk to issue same-sex marriage licenses, which was against state law (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-400x267.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-1440x960.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-960x640.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, standing in front of City Hall Friday, was mayor in 2004 when he ordered the San Francisco county clerk to issue same-sex marriage licenses, which was against state law (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Today is the antidote to cynicism,\" said Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, former mayor of San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Had it not been for all of you and millions and millions of conversations that were held and won, there would be no Supreme Court decision like the one held today.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee praised the decision. “Never have we been more committed, and more united, as a city and a nation, behind marriage equality in our country,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, same-sex couples were up early to celebrate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578190\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578190\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"San Francisco City Hall\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-400x300.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-1440x1080.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut.jpg 1632w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Francisco City Hall \u003ccite>(Jeremy Raff/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"They're vintage shirts, from 2004. In 2000, at our first marriage, the minister refused to sign any marriage licenses, gay or straight, until we could all get married. (It was) at the Unitarian Church on Franklin where we first met. We've been together 35 years. Over time you become less of just one person and more of a couple. And the communication develops.\" \u003cstrong> -- Don Williams (left) and David Jones\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578321\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578321\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-800x600.jpeg\" alt=\"Beatrice and Jennifer Deavers were spotted waiting outside Orphan Andy's restaurant, with their 1-year-old daughter. \" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-400x300.jpeg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-1440x1080.jpeg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-1180x885.jpeg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-960x720.jpeg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Beatrice and Jennifer Deavers were spotted waiting outside Orphan Andy's restaurant, with their 1-year-old daughter. \u003ccite>(Bryan Goebel/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"\u003cspan class=\"s1\">It's eight years living in the closet, it's having to deliver in D.C. because I couldn't be in Virginia because we couldn't both be on the birth certificate of my daughter. A lot of shackles have been opened up and released today, you know? I now will never, ever doubt whether or not I should hold my wife's hand when I walk down the sidewalk in any street, across this nation. It's a big deal, it's a big deal. I don't think I've actually processed everything that's been happening just in the last few hours when this got released. I'm thankful to those little interns that were running back and forth across the marble steps of the Supreme Court to deliver this news. They have no idea what they've probably just did for all of us, so it was great. \" \u003cstrong>-- Jennifer Deavers with wife Beatrice\u003c/strong>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578189\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578189\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-800x1067.jpeg\" alt=\"San Francisco City Hall\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-800x1067.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-400x533.jpeg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-1180x1573.jpeg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-960x1280.jpeg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105.jpeg 1224w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Francisco City Hall \u003ccite>(Jeremy Raff/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I work a few blocks from here at at St. Anthony's. I mean, I knew this would happen, but once it becomes reality, I just have chills. I've been dating someone for five months. The conversation about the future changes. And he's my strongest relationship so far, so for this to happen in the country at large, it just feels really personal.\" --\u003cstrong> Karl Robillard\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578396\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578396\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\""It's amazing," said Jackie Omotalade, who lives in the Mission District (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-400x600.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-1440x2160.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-1180x1770.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-960x1440.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">\"It's amazing,\" said Jackie Omotalade, who lives in the Mission District. (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I can go get married in Alabama now. It's just amazing to think about. I never thought I'd be able to do that in a true red state.\" \u003cstrong>- Jackie Omotalade\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578391\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578391\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-800x394.jpg\" alt=\"Gary Mendleson and David Varela have been together four years. When they heard the news this morning, they got engaged (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"394\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-800x394.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-400x197.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-1440x710.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-1180x582.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-960x473.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2.jpg 1826w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gary Mendleson and David Varela have been together four years. When they heard the news this morning, they got engaged. (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I'm Gary Mendleson, soon to be Mendleson-Varela. Or the other way around, we haven't decided. We just got engaged this morning after it was announced!\" \u003cstrong>- Gary Mendleson, right\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578462\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578462\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-800x600.jpeg\" alt=\"Alex Morrison from Berkeley is thrilled, but says there is more work to be done (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-400x300.jpeg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-1440x1080.jpeg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-1180x885.jpeg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-960x720.jpeg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison.jpeg 1632w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alex Morrison from Berkeley is thrilled, but says there is more work to be done (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"We've got to work on the racism and homophobia in this country. There are going to be hate crimes in other places in reaction to this. We're insulated in the Bay Area.\" -- \u003cstrong>Alex Morrison \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578630\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578630\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-800x531.jpg\" alt=\"Protesters in Berkeley wave a sign opposing same-sex marriage.\" width=\"800\" height=\"531\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-800x531.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-400x266.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-1440x956.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-1180x784.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-960x638.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters in Berkeley wave a sign opposing same-sex marriage. \u003ccite>(Alan Toth/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But not everyone was excited about the decision. Protesters were spotted standing on the Berkeley pedestrian bridge over Interstate 80, waving signs opposing same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED also caught up with Californians in Washington, D.C., who went to the Supreme Court after the ruling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578455\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578455\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-800x903.jpg\" alt=\"Nick Neese attends UC Santa Cruz.\" width=\"800\" height=\"903\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-800x903.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-400x451.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-1440x1625.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-1180x1331.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-960x1083.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nick Neese attends UC Santa Cruz. \u003ccite>(Rachael Bale/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I was really nervous because if they kept the ban I wouldn't be able to get married, so it was really crucial that this was going to happen. My roommate actually sent me a text that said 'marriage is happening.' I got really excited and then I just stared at my screen to be sure it was true. And then I left work. I told everyone I was leaving and I rushed over here, and I still can't even believe it happened. I'm still in a little bit of a shock, I haven't gotten my full cry on, but I will later.\" \u003cstrong>-- Nick Neese from Santa Cruz\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578456\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578456\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"Ashelen Vicuña from Stockton at the U.S. Supreme Court.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-400x533.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-1180x1573.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-960x1280.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ashelen Vicuña from Stockton at the U.S. Supreme Court. \u003ccite>(Rachael Bale/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I'm here supporting a great ruling that should have been passed years and years ago and we still have a long way to go, especially with LGBTQ, but at least it's a good step forward. The 5-4 is a little discouraging, I wish it was more but we'll take what we can get and hope that we can continue fighting for even more equality broadening.\" -- \u003cstrong>Ashelen Vicuña from Stockton\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Jeremy Raff, Deborah Svoboda, Bryan Goebel, Nicole Reinert and Rachael Bale contributed to this report. Felix Berzabal shot video.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"People came out to the streets -- most to celebrate -- after high court struck down same-sex marriage bans.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1435376456,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":38,"wordCount":1816},"headData":{"title":"Bay Area Reacts to the Same-Sex Marriage Supreme Court Decision | KQED","description":"People came out to the streets -- most to celebrate -- after high court struck down same-sex marriage bans.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"10578188 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=10578188","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/bay-area-reacts-to-the-same-sex-marriage-supreme-court-decision/","disqusTitle":"Bay Area Reacts to the Same-Sex Marriage Supreme Court Decision","videoEmbed":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk32Kku3ED4","path":"/news/10578188/bay-area-reacts-to-the-same-sex-marriage-supreme-court-decision","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Starting at 7 a.m. thousands of people poured out into the streets to celebrate -- and some to protest -- the Supreme Court's decision to overturn same-sex marriage bans on Friday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578909\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578909\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"The Trans March began in Dolores Park.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-400x267.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-1440x960.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15858_7-qut1.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Trans March began in Dolores Park. \u003ccite>(Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Hundreds of people walked from Dolores Park at San Francisco's Trans March.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578910\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578910\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Three children march with their mother.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-400x267.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-1440x960.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15857_8-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Three children march with their mother. \u003ccite>(Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Sabina, Amia and Nevavah shout during the Trans March. Their mom says that transgender equality is an important issue in their family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578964\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578964\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"The party continues after the Trans March.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-400x267.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-1440x960.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15864_5-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The party continues after the Trans March. \u003ccite>(Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A group takes a cable car downtown after the Trans March.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>17th and Market was electric as the crowd began to swell for the night's festivities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578845\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6865.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578845 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6865-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Tourists joined locals in celebrating the Supreme Court's decision (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tourists joined locals in celebrating the Supreme Court's decision. From left: Gina DeNoble, Jennifer Bunnell, Rachel Cortes, and Matthew Taylor (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"We're on a gay road trip through California. We just came out of Yosemite with no cell reception and were like woah, marriage equality! We were looking at bears yesterday. This is awesome!\" -- \u003cstrong>Matthew Taylor (far right), from Australia\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578851\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6944.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578851 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6944-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Walter Gaylor had an ecstatic message for everyone within earshot (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Walter Gaylor had an ecstatic message for everyone within earshot (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Love, peace, happiness, joy, multiple organisms, and equality! For all 50 states, and all of humanity!\" \u003cstrong>– Walter Gaylord\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578853\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6922.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578853 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6922-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"These two friends are visiting from San Diego (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">These two friends are visiting from San Diego (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"It's about damn time, America! But I'm afraid this will make hateful people worse. I'm worried you will see more protesters than usual at the pride parade. \u003cstrong>-- Maurice Egan (right) and Marco Bullock from San Diego\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578859\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6915.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578859 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6915-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Lisa Cacari Stone and Roberta Duran are visiting from New Mexico (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lisa Cacari Stone and Roberta Duran are visiting from New Mexico (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"We're part of the Sandoval 64 -- we were married in 2004 when our county clerk issued marriage licenses for a short time. We were in limbo until last winter. I can't believe we're seeing this in our lifetime. But it's a sweet sorrow today because with the funeral in Charleston -- we're still killing people if you're visibly gay or black.\" \u003cstrong>-- Lisa Cacari Stone (left) and partner of 20 years Roberta Duran, from New Mexico.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kate Kendell, who leads the National Center for Lesbian Rights, has been at the forefront of this political and legal movement. She spoke to KQED's Tara Siler, \"I want to harness this momentum. Economic inequality still festers, racism is still corrosive and in so many places in this country. LGBT people are in every community and we are impacted by inequality.\"\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__shortcodes__shortcodeWrapper'>\n \u003ciframe width='100%' height='166'\n scrolling='no' frameborder='no'\n src='https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212158991&visual=true&color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false'\n title='https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212158991'>\n \u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578855\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6888.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578855 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_6888-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"Some Castro dignitaries joined the celebration (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Some Castro dignitaries joined the celebration (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I'm the creator of the rainbow flag-- Google it! \u003cstrong>-- Gilbert Baker\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I began the day by weeping,” Cleve Jones, AIDS activist and former adviser to Harvey Milk, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/cleve-jones-marriage-equality-is-an-extraordinary-victory-for-everybody\" target=\"_blank\">told KQED's Tara Siler\u003c/a>. \"I got up at 7:02 a.m. and turned on the computer and totally lost it. I’m 60 years old and I did not think I would live to see this day. I’m so very grateful to be alive, but I also remember all of my wonderful friends and comrades who didn’t live long enough to see this day. So they’re very much with me and my thoughts, and they’ll be with us tonight as we party and dance on Castro Street.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__shortcodes__shortcodeWrapper'>\n \u003ciframe width='100%' height='166'\n scrolling='no' frameborder='no'\n src='https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212155511&visual=true&color=ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false'\n title='https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/212155511'>\n \u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>-- Earlier --\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hundreds gathered outside San Francisco's City Hall Friday morning after \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage\" target=\"_blank\">the U.S. Supreme Court struck down bans\u003c/a> on same-sex marriage nationally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578256\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578256\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-800x293.jpg\" alt=\"Elected officials spoke at a press conference outside San Francisco City Hall.\" width=\"800\" height=\"293\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-800x293.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-400x146.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-1440x527.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-1180x432.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan-960x351.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/presser-pan.jpg 1640w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Elected officials spoke at a press conference outside San Francisco City Hall. \u003ccite>(Nicole Reinert/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"What a wonderful day,\" said San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera. Reflecting on \"where we were 11 years ago, and the challenges we knew we were going to face,\" Herrera said, \"We've had a lot of ups, we've had some downs. But all of us collectively never ever wavered in doing what was right.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Herrera added that he believes there is more work to be done to end discriminatory practices against same-sex couples. \"This is another brick in the wall of equality,\" he said. \"But there is still discrimination we have to fight.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578379\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578379 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"“Today, San Francisco’s values become America’s values,” said State Senator Mark Leno (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-400x600.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-1440x2160.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-1180x1770.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3432-e1435347100202-960x1440.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">“Today, San Francisco’s values become America’s values,” said state Sen. Mark Leno. (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>State Sen. Mark Leno hailed the U.S. Supreme Court decision as a milestone, saying, \"Today, San Francisco's values become America's values.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet he echoed the sentiment that there is more to be done. \"How can you get married this morning and get fired this afternoon, because of the gender of your spouse?\" he asked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Time and time again, this community has said, 'Hell no, we're not going anywhere,' \" said Supervisor Scott Wiener. \"Today we win again. It's a giant step forward, but our work isn't done.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supervisor David Campos linked the battle for marriage equality to broader social justice issues. \"Forty percent of our homeless are queer,\" he said. \"It's not just legal equality, but socioeconomic equality for everyone in the community.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578382\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-10578382 size-medium\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, standing in front of City Hall Friday, was mayor in 2004 when he ordered the San Francisco county clerk to issue same-sex marriage licenses, which was against state law (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-400x267.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-1440x960.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/IMG_3494-960x640.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, standing in front of City Hall Friday, was mayor in 2004 when he ordered the San Francisco county clerk to issue same-sex marriage licenses, which was against state law (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Today is the antidote to cynicism,\" said Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, former mayor of San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Had it not been for all of you and millions and millions of conversations that were held and won, there would be no Supreme Court decision like the one held today.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee praised the decision. “Never have we been more committed, and more united, as a city and a nation, behind marriage equality in our country,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, same-sex couples were up early to celebrate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578190\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578190\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"San Francisco City Hall\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-400x300.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-1440x1080.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15780_image1-qut.jpg 1632w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Francisco City Hall \u003ccite>(Jeremy Raff/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"They're vintage shirts, from 2004. In 2000, at our first marriage, the minister refused to sign any marriage licenses, gay or straight, until we could all get married. (It was) at the Unitarian Church on Franklin where we first met. We've been together 35 years. Over time you become less of just one person and more of a couple. And the communication develops.\" \u003cstrong> -- Don Williams (left) and David Jones\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578321\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578321\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-800x600.jpeg\" alt=\"Beatrice and Jennifer Deavers were spotted waiting outside Orphan Andy's restaurant, with their 1-year-old daughter. \" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-400x300.jpeg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-1440x1080.jpeg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-1180x885.jpeg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508-960x720.jpeg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15785_IMG_1508.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Beatrice and Jennifer Deavers were spotted waiting outside Orphan Andy's restaurant, with their 1-year-old daughter. \u003ccite>(Bryan Goebel/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"\u003cspan class=\"s1\">It's eight years living in the closet, it's having to deliver in D.C. because I couldn't be in Virginia because we couldn't both be on the birth certificate of my daughter. A lot of shackles have been opened up and released today, you know? I now will never, ever doubt whether or not I should hold my wife's hand when I walk down the sidewalk in any street, across this nation. It's a big deal, it's a big deal. I don't think I've actually processed everything that's been happening just in the last few hours when this got released. I'm thankful to those little interns that were running back and forth across the marble steps of the Supreme Court to deliver this news. They have no idea what they've probably just did for all of us, so it was great. \" \u003cstrong>-- Jennifer Deavers with wife Beatrice\u003c/strong>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578189\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578189\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-800x1067.jpeg\" alt=\"San Francisco City Hall\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-800x1067.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-400x533.jpeg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-1180x1573.jpeg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105-960x1280.jpeg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15778_image1-e1435336525105.jpeg 1224w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">San Francisco City Hall \u003ccite>(Jeremy Raff/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I work a few blocks from here at at St. Anthony's. I mean, I knew this would happen, but once it becomes reality, I just have chills. I've been dating someone for five months. The conversation about the future changes. And he's my strongest relationship so far, so for this to happen in the country at large, it just feels really personal.\" --\u003cstrong> Karl Robillard\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578396\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578396\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\""It's amazing," said Jackie Omotalade, who lives in the Mission District (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-400x600.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-1440x2160.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-1180x1770.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Omotalade-960x1440.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">\"It's amazing,\" said Jackie Omotalade, who lives in the Mission District. (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I can go get married in Alabama now. It's just amazing to think about. I never thought I'd be able to do that in a true red state.\" \u003cstrong>- Jackie Omotalade\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578391\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578391\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-800x394.jpg\" alt=\"Gary Mendleson and David Varela have been together four years. When they heard the news this morning, they got engaged (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"394\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-800x394.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-400x197.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-1440x710.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-1180x582.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2-960x473.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Varella-big_2.jpg 1826w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gary Mendleson and David Varela have been together four years. When they heard the news this morning, they got engaged. (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I'm Gary Mendleson, soon to be Mendleson-Varela. Or the other way around, we haven't decided. We just got engaged this morning after it was announced!\" \u003cstrong>- Gary Mendleson, right\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578462\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578462\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-800x600.jpeg\" alt=\"Alex Morrison from Berkeley is thrilled, but says there is more work to be done (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-800x600.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-400x300.jpeg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-1440x1080.jpeg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-1180x885.jpeg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison-960x720.jpeg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/Alex-Morrison.jpeg 1632w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alex Morrison from Berkeley is thrilled, but says there is more work to be done (Jeremy Raff/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"We've got to work on the racism and homophobia in this country. There are going to be hate crimes in other places in reaction to this. We're insulated in the Bay Area.\" -- \u003cstrong>Alex Morrison \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578630\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578630\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-800x531.jpg\" alt=\"Protesters in Berkeley wave a sign opposing same-sex marriage.\" width=\"800\" height=\"531\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-800x531.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-400x266.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-1440x956.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-1180x784.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut-960x638.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/SSMprotesters.JPG-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters in Berkeley wave a sign opposing same-sex marriage. \u003ccite>(Alan Toth/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But not everyone was excited about the decision. Protesters were spotted standing on the Berkeley pedestrian bridge over Interstate 80, waving signs opposing same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED also caught up with Californians in Washington, D.C., who went to the Supreme Court after the ruling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578455\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578455\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-800x903.jpg\" alt=\"Nick Neese attends UC Santa Cruz.\" width=\"800\" height=\"903\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-800x903.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-400x451.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-1440x1625.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-1180x1331.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform-960x1083.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/15819_transform.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nick Neese attends UC Santa Cruz. \u003ccite>(Rachael Bale/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I was really nervous because if they kept the ban I wouldn't be able to get married, so it was really crucial that this was going to happen. My roommate actually sent me a text that said 'marriage is happening.' I got really excited and then I just stared at my screen to be sure it was true. And then I left work. I told everyone I was leaving and I rushed over here, and I still can't even believe it happened. I'm still in a little bit of a shock, I haven't gotten my full cry on, but I will later.\" \u003cstrong>-- Nick Neese from Santa Cruz\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10578456\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-10578456\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"Ashelen Vicuña from Stockton at the U.S. Supreme Court.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-400x533.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664.jpg 1440w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-1180x1573.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2015/06/RS15817_IMG_81547-qut-e1435350356664-960x1280.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ashelen Vicuña from Stockton at the U.S. Supreme Court. \u003ccite>(Rachael Bale/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"I'm here supporting a great ruling that should have been passed years and years ago and we still have a long way to go, especially with LGBTQ, but at least it's a good step forward. The 5-4 is a little discouraging, I wish it was more but we'll take what we can get and hope that we can continue fighting for even more equality broadening.\" -- \u003cstrong>Ashelen Vicuña from Stockton\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Jeremy Raff, Deborah Svoboda, Bryan Goebel, Nicole Reinert and Rachael Bale contributed to this report. 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