A Queer Journalist Reflects on the Legacy of the Proposition 8 Trial Tapes
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He shared some of those feelings in this personal audio essay for \u003cem>The California Report Magazine\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Editor’s Note: Carlos’ reflections draw on memories of some incidents that involve upsetting homophobic slurs in English and Spanish. 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In 2004, just 42% of Americans said they were in support of same-sex marriage, according to \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/393197/same-sex-marriage-support-inches-new-high.aspx\">Gallup\u003c/a>. Today, it's 68%, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll to be released Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A dozen Republican senators (out of 50) and 39 Republican House members (out of 208) voted in favor of the legislation. That's far from a majority of Republicans, and it's reflective of the fact that rank-and-file Republican voters have lagged in support of same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2004, according to \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same-sex-marriage.aspx\">Gallup\u003c/a>, just 19% of Republicans were in favor. This week's NPR/PBS \u003cem>NewsHour\u003c/em>/Marist poll found now that number has more than doubled to 43%, but is still shy of a majority.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://apps.npr.org/datawrapper/AHzVD/4/?initialWidth=763&childId=responsive-embed-AHzVD&parentTitle=Same%20sex%20marriage%20bill%20will%20be%20signed%20into%20law%20by%20President%20Biden%20%3A%20NPR&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2022%2F12%2F13%2F1142331501%2Fbiden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution\" width=\"800\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A massive cultural shift on interracial marriage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When it comes to interracial marriage, the country has seen a wholesale change in public opinion and societal acceptance since 1967 when the Supreme Court ruled in Loving v. 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Through the mid-'90s, Americans were still split on the subject.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But by the late-'90s and early 2000s, support for interracial marriage soared and, by 2021, approval hit a sky-high 94%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in 1967, just 3% of Americans were in interracial marriages, and that's up to at least 19%, as of last year, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/02/25/in-vice-president-kamala-harris-we-can-see-how-america-has-changed/\">Pew Research Center\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Biden's evolution on gay rights and same-sex marriage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>On almost no other issue has American public opinion shifted so dramatically so quickly. Biden, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/us/politics/biden-gay-rights-lgbt.html\">who has a grandchild who identifies as LGBTQ\u003c/a>, is included in that evolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1973, as a young senator, a gay rights activist confronted Biden about discriminatory federal regulations. Biden was taken aback.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My gut reaction is they are security risks,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/clip/53510488/the-morning-news/\">Biden said\u003c/a> of people who were gay in the military and Civil Service, \"but I'll admit, I haven't given this much thought.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1990s, like many other senators, Biden cast a series of votes that hurt the push for gay rights — from cutting off funding from public schools that were \"\u003ca href=\"https://webarchive.loc.gov/congressional-record/20160316130607/http:/thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r103:30:./temp/~r103NHPJaT::\">encouraging or supporting homosexuality as a positive lifestyle alternative\u003c/a>\" to the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. DOMA defined marriage as between a man and a woman and blocked federal recognition of same-sex marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, as president, Biden rebuked the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/03/28/1089221657/dont-say-gay-florida-desantis\">Florida law that constrains teachers talking about sexual orientation or gender identity\u003c/a>, calling it \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60326418\">hateful\u003c/a>\" and vowed to \"continue to fight for the protections and safety you deserve.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And his signing of the Respect for Marriage Act Tuesday repeals DOMA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's been quite the turnabout — and really it's come in the last 10 years.[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"same-sex-marriage\"]During the 2008 campaign, Biden, as former President Barack Obama's running mate, \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-gaymarriage/palin-biden-agree-on-gay-rights-at-debate-idUSTRE49212F20081003\">affirmed in a vice-presidential debate\u003c/a>, \"No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a delicate line the Democrats were walking then. In 2004, the issue of same-sex marriage was a lightning rod. Anti-same-sex marriage amendments were put on various state ballots. Then-President George W. Bush backed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, and white Christian evangelicals helped Bush win reelection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democrats had moved toward the half-measure of civil unions — giving legal rights to gay couples, but, largely because of the politics, were not ready to come out fully in support of \"marriage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All that changed with Biden in 2012.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As vice president, Biden got out ahead of President Obama in advocating for same-sex marriage — on national television.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marriage is about \"who do you love?\" Biden \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47311900\">said on NBC's \u003cem>Meet the Press\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"And will you be loyal to the person you love? ... whether they're marriages of lesbians or gay men or heterosexuals.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He continued: \"Look, I am vice president of the United States of America. The president sets the policy. I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://youtu.be/vyjYg3ZYFfQ\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With that, Biden endeared himself to the LGBTQI+ community and pushed Obama to publicly embrace the position.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Days later, Obama went on ABC's \u003cem>Good Morning America\u003c/em>, saying Biden's \"probably got a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity of spirit.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Would I have preferred to have done this in my own way, in my own terms, without there being a lot of notice to everybody?\" Obama \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obama-says-he-decided-to-support-same-sex-marriage-before-bidens-comments/2012/05/10/gIQALwLIFU_blog.html\">said\u003c/a>. \"Sure, but all's well that ends well.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biden's appearance came at something of an inflection point. This was in an election year and at a time when the country was still split on acceptance of same-sex marriage. Three days before he went on \u003cem>Meet the Press\u003c/em>, Gallup found 50% of Americans approved of same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afterward, support continued to rise. In June 2015, the Supreme Court ruled in the \u003cem>Obergefell \u003c/em>case that same-sex marriage is constitutionally protected by the 14th Amendment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That night, the White House \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417731614/obama-supreme-court-ruling-on-gay-marriage-a-victory-for-america\">lit up in rainbow colors\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What the bill does and doesn't do\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For advocates of the Respect for Marriage Act and the White House, Tuesday \u003cstrong>was \u003c/strong>a big day. But the bill's potential impact is limited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"No, I am not celebrating,\" Jim Obergefell, of the \u003cem>Obergefell \u003c/em>case that won the right to same-sex marriage, said on \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/11/30/senate-same-sex-marriage-bill-obergefell-sot-cnnt-vpx.cnn\">CNN\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This bill does not guarantee the right to marry. It makes it so that other states have to recognize same-sex marriages across state lines and that same-sex couples are entitled to the same federal benefits of any other married couple, like \u003ca href=\"https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-respect-for-marriage-act\">Social Security survivor benefits\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I will say I'm happy that at least something has been done, something that we will have to fall back on should the Supreme Court overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em> in the future, but this act, I find it curious that it's called the Respect for Marriage Act because this act does not respect LGBTQ+ community, our marriages, our relationships or our families.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's because, though the bill attempts to buttress key Supreme Court decisions, it does nothing to prevent same-sex marriages from becoming illegal again in states that might oppose them if the Supreme Court decides to overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The potential for its overturning was the impetus for passing the Respect for Marriage Act in the first place. In the \u003cem>Dobbs\u003c/em> decision, which overturned the right to an abortion earlier this year, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that the court \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abortion-roe-v-wade-decision-overturn\">should reconsider\u003c/a>\" decisions that legalized same-sex marriage and even protected the rights of married people to have access to contraception.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/08/1140808263/what-does-the-respect-for-marriage-act-do-the-answer-will-vary-by-state\">As NPR has reported\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"If the Court were to overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em>, the legality of same-sex marriages would revert to state law — and the majority of states would prohibit it. The Respect for Marriage Act wouldn't change that, but it requires all states to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states and federally recognizes these marriages.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/rfma-state-laws-20221130/?initialWidth=763&childId=responsive-embed-rfma-state-laws-20221130&parentTitle=Same%20sex%20marriage%20bill%20will%20be%20signed%20into%20law%20by%20President%20Biden%20%3A%20NPR&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2022%2F12%2F13%2F1142331501%2Fbiden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution\" width=\"800\" height=\"880\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But others see this as an important step to be celebrated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We saw after the \u003cem>Dobbs\u003c/em> decision, that in so many ways, too many of our rights are just one Supreme Court decision from being lost,\" Kelley Robinson, president of the Human Rights Campaign, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/12/1142320308/hrc-president-reacts-to-respect-for-marriage-act-ahead-of-signing\">told NPR's \u003cem>All Things Considered\u003c/em>\u003c/a> Monday. \"As a queer woman, as a queer woman of color in this country, who's married, I was worried that at some point that the courts would also invalidate my marriage. Now, I'm relieved because that's not the case. Congress has taken action to ensure that our marriages are valid, that our love will be respected.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Biden+signs+Respect+for+Marriage+Act%2C+reflecting+his+and+the+country%27s+evolution&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The bill signing comes after months of work on Capitol Hill and years of changing attitudes — even as the threat looms that the conservative Supreme Court could roll back same-sex marriage rights.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1670992376,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":true,"iframeSrcs":["https://apps.npr.org/datawrapper/AHzVD/4/","https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/rfma-state-laws-20221130/"],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":43,"wordCount":1436},"headData":{"title":"Biden Signs Respect for Marriage Act, Reflecting His and America's Evolution | KQED","description":"The bill signing comes after months of work on Capitol Hill and years of changing attitudes — even as the threat looms that the conservative Supreme Court could roll back same-sex marriage rights.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Biden Signs Respect for Marriage Act, Reflecting His and America's Evolution","datePublished":"2022-12-13T21:58:58.000Z","dateModified":"2022-12-14T04:32:56.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"nprImageCredit":"Chip Somodevilla","nprByline":"Domenico Montanaro","nprImageAgency":"Getty Images","nprStoryId":"1142331501","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=1142331501&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/13/1142331501/biden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution?ft=nprml&f=1142331501","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Tue, 13 Dec 2022 16:36:00 -0500","nprStoryDate":"Tue, 13 Dec 2022 05:01:05 -0500","nprLastModifiedDate":"Tue, 13 Dec 2022 16:36:09 -0500","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","path":"/news/11935150/biden-signs-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-americas-evolution-on-the-issue","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"storyMajorUpdateDate\">\u003cstrong>Updated December 13, 2022 at 4:36 PM ET\u003c/strong>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>President Biden on Tuesday signed into law a bipartisan bill that codifies same-sex and interracial marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a celebration on the South Lawn of the White House, the president spoke before a crowd of thousands gathered to celebrate the federal protections in the Respect for Marriage Act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The road to this moment has been long, but those who believe in equality and justice – you never gave up,\" Biden said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That long road is one Biden and the country have been on together. In 2004, just 42% of Americans said they were in support of same-sex marriage, according to \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/393197/same-sex-marriage-support-inches-new-high.aspx\">Gallup\u003c/a>. Today, it's 68%, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll to be released Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A dozen Republican senators (out of 50) and 39 Republican House members (out of 208) voted in favor of the legislation. That's far from a majority of Republicans, and it's reflective of the fact that rank-and-file Republican voters have lagged in support of same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2004, according to \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same-sex-marriage.aspx\">Gallup\u003c/a>, just 19% of Republicans were in favor. This week's NPR/PBS \u003cem>NewsHour\u003c/em>/Marist poll found now that number has more than doubled to 43%, but is still shy of a majority.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://apps.npr.org/datawrapper/AHzVD/4/?initialWidth=763&childId=responsive-embed-AHzVD&parentTitle=Same%20sex%20marriage%20bill%20will%20be%20signed%20into%20law%20by%20President%20Biden%20%3A%20NPR&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2022%2F12%2F13%2F1142331501%2Fbiden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution\" width=\"800\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A massive cultural shift on interracial marriage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When it comes to interracial marriage, the country has seen a wholesale change in public opinion and societal acceptance since 1967 when the Supreme Court ruled in Loving v. Virginia that prohibitions on interracial marriages were unconstitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1958, when \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx\">Gallup \u003c/a>first asked the question, just 4% said they approved of marriage between Black people and white people. Through the mid-'90s, Americans were still split on the subject.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But by the late-'90s and early 2000s, support for interracial marriage soared and, by 2021, approval hit a sky-high 94%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in 1967, just 3% of Americans were in interracial marriages, and that's up to at least 19%, as of last year, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/02/25/in-vice-president-kamala-harris-we-can-see-how-america-has-changed/\">Pew Research Center\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Biden's evolution on gay rights and same-sex marriage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>On almost no other issue has American public opinion shifted so dramatically so quickly. Biden, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/us/politics/biden-gay-rights-lgbt.html\">who has a grandchild who identifies as LGBTQ\u003c/a>, is included in that evolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1973, as a young senator, a gay rights activist confronted Biden about discriminatory federal regulations. Biden was taken aback.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My gut reaction is they are security risks,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/clip/53510488/the-morning-news/\">Biden said\u003c/a> of people who were gay in the military and Civil Service, \"but I'll admit, I haven't given this much thought.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1990s, like many other senators, Biden cast a series of votes that hurt the push for gay rights — from cutting off funding from public schools that were \"\u003ca href=\"https://webarchive.loc.gov/congressional-record/20160316130607/http:/thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r103:30:./temp/~r103NHPJaT::\">encouraging or supporting homosexuality as a positive lifestyle alternative\u003c/a>\" to the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. DOMA defined marriage as between a man and a woman and blocked federal recognition of same-sex marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, as president, Biden rebuked the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/03/28/1089221657/dont-say-gay-florida-desantis\">Florida law that constrains teachers talking about sexual orientation or gender identity\u003c/a>, calling it \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60326418\">hateful\u003c/a>\" and vowed to \"continue to fight for the protections and safety you deserve.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And his signing of the Respect for Marriage Act Tuesday repeals DOMA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's been quite the turnabout — and really it's come in the last 10 years.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"same-sex-marriage"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>During the 2008 campaign, Biden, as former President Barack Obama's running mate, \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-gaymarriage/palin-biden-agree-on-gay-rights-at-debate-idUSTRE49212F20081003\">affirmed in a vice-presidential debate\u003c/a>, \"No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a delicate line the Democrats were walking then. In 2004, the issue of same-sex marriage was a lightning rod. Anti-same-sex marriage amendments were put on various state ballots. Then-President George W. Bush backed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, and white Christian evangelicals helped Bush win reelection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democrats had moved toward the half-measure of civil unions — giving legal rights to gay couples, but, largely because of the politics, were not ready to come out fully in support of \"marriage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All that changed with Biden in 2012.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As vice president, Biden got out ahead of President Obama in advocating for same-sex marriage — on national television.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marriage is about \"who do you love?\" Biden \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47311900\">said on NBC's \u003cem>Meet the Press\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"And will you be loyal to the person you love? ... whether they're marriages of lesbians or gay men or heterosexuals.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He continued: \"Look, I am vice president of the United States of America. The president sets the policy. I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/vyjYg3ZYFfQ'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/vyjYg3ZYFfQ'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>With that, Biden endeared himself to the LGBTQI+ community and pushed Obama to publicly embrace the position.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Days later, Obama went on ABC's \u003cem>Good Morning America\u003c/em>, saying Biden's \"probably got a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity of spirit.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Would I have preferred to have done this in my own way, in my own terms, without there being a lot of notice to everybody?\" Obama \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obama-says-he-decided-to-support-same-sex-marriage-before-bidens-comments/2012/05/10/gIQALwLIFU_blog.html\">said\u003c/a>. \"Sure, but all's well that ends well.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biden's appearance came at something of an inflection point. This was in an election year and at a time when the country was still split on acceptance of same-sex marriage. Three days before he went on \u003cem>Meet the Press\u003c/em>, Gallup found 50% of Americans approved of same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afterward, support continued to rise. In June 2015, the Supreme Court ruled in the \u003cem>Obergefell \u003c/em>case that same-sex marriage is constitutionally protected by the 14th Amendment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That night, the White House \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417731614/obama-supreme-court-ruling-on-gay-marriage-a-victory-for-america\">lit up in rainbow colors\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What the bill does and doesn't do\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For advocates of the Respect for Marriage Act and the White House, Tuesday \u003cstrong>was \u003c/strong>a big day. But the bill's potential impact is limited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"No, I am not celebrating,\" Jim Obergefell, of the \u003cem>Obergefell \u003c/em>case that won the right to same-sex marriage, said on \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/11/30/senate-same-sex-marriage-bill-obergefell-sot-cnnt-vpx.cnn\">CNN\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This bill does not guarantee the right to marry. It makes it so that other states have to recognize same-sex marriages across state lines and that same-sex couples are entitled to the same federal benefits of any other married couple, like \u003ca href=\"https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-respect-for-marriage-act\">Social Security survivor benefits\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I will say I'm happy that at least something has been done, something that we will have to fall back on should the Supreme Court overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em> in the future, but this act, I find it curious that it's called the Respect for Marriage Act because this act does not respect LGBTQ+ community, our marriages, our relationships or our families.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's because, though the bill attempts to buttress key Supreme Court decisions, it does nothing to prevent same-sex marriages from becoming illegal again in states that might oppose them if the Supreme Court decides to overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The potential for its overturning was the impetus for passing the Respect for Marriage Act in the first place. In the \u003cem>Dobbs\u003c/em> decision, which overturned the right to an abortion earlier this year, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that the court \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abortion-roe-v-wade-decision-overturn\">should reconsider\u003c/a>\" decisions that legalized same-sex marriage and even protected the rights of married people to have access to contraception.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/08/1140808263/what-does-the-respect-for-marriage-act-do-the-answer-will-vary-by-state\">As NPR has reported\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"If the Court were to overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em>, the legality of same-sex marriages would revert to state law — and the majority of states would prohibit it. The Respect for Marriage Act wouldn't change that, but it requires all states to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states and federally recognizes these marriages.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/rfma-state-laws-20221130/?initialWidth=763&childId=responsive-embed-rfma-state-laws-20221130&parentTitle=Same%20sex%20marriage%20bill%20will%20be%20signed%20into%20law%20by%20President%20Biden%20%3A%20NPR&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2022%2F12%2F13%2F1142331501%2Fbiden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution\" width=\"800\" height=\"880\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But others see this as an important step to be celebrated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We saw after the \u003cem>Dobbs\u003c/em> decision, that in so many ways, too many of our rights are just one Supreme Court decision from being lost,\" Kelley Robinson, president of the Human Rights Campaign, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/12/1142320308/hrc-president-reacts-to-respect-for-marriage-act-ahead-of-signing\">told NPR's \u003cem>All Things Considered\u003c/em>\u003c/a> Monday. \"As a queer woman, as a queer woman of color in this country, who's married, I was worried that at some point that the courts would also invalidate my marriage. Now, I'm relieved because that's not the case. Congress has taken action to ensure that our marriages are valid, that our love will be respected.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Biden+signs+Respect+for+Marriage+Act%2C+reflecting+his+and+the+country%27s+evolution&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11935150/biden-signs-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-americas-evolution-on-the-issue","authors":["byline_news_11935150"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_20149","news_2626","news_32160","news_717","news_3877","news_932"],"affiliates":["news_253"],"featImg":"news_11935151","label":"news_253"},"news_11919970":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11919970","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11919970","score":null,"sort":[1658278509000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"u-s-house-passes-same-sex-marriage-bill-in-retort-to-conservative-supreme-court","title":"US House Passes Same-Sex Marriage Bill in Retort to Conservative Supreme Court","publishDate":1658278509,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>The U.S. House overwhelmingly approved legislation Tuesday to protect same-sex and interracial marriages amid concerns that the Supreme Court ruling overturning \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0\">Roe v. Wade\u003c/a> could jeopardize other rights criticized by many conservatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a robust but lopsided debate, Democrats argued intensely and often personally in favor of enshrining marriage equality in federal law, while Republicans steered clear of openly rejecting same-sex marriage. Instead, leading Republicans portrayed the bill as unnecessary amid other issues facing the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tuesday's \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-bills-house-vote-fc24d99f184d7aeec4926a6520311da5\">election-year roll call,\u003c/a> 267-157, was partly political strategy, forcing all House members, Republicans and Democrats, to go on the record. It also reflected the legislative branch pushing back against \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-biden-us-supreme-court-right-to-privacy-6e1d7ee2a6d26bef09392971fd4948b5\">an aggressive court that has raised questions about revisiting other apparently settled U.S. laws\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wary of political fallout, GOP leaders did not press their members to hold the party line against the bill, aides said. In all, 47 Republicans joined all Democrats in voting for passage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For me, this is personal,” said Rep. Mondaire Jones, D-N.Y., who said he was among the openly gay members of the House.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Imagine telling the next generation of Americans, my generation, we no longer have the right to marry who we love,” he said. “Congress can't allow that to happen.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the Respect for Marriage Act easily passed the House with a Democratic majority, it is likely to stall in the evenly split Senate, where most Republicans would probably join a filibuster to block it. It's one of several bills, including those enshrining abortion access, that Democrats are proposing to confront the court's conservative majority. Another bill, guaranteeing access to contraceptive services, is set for a vote later this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>House GOP leaders split over the issue, with Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Whip Steve Scalise voting against the marriage rights bill, but the No. 3 Republican, Rep. Elise Stefanik, of New York voting in favor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11918028,news_11918010,news_11917975\" label=\"Related Coverage\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a notable silence, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell declined to express his view on the bill, leaving an open question over how strongly his party would fight it, if it should come up for a vote in the upper chamber.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Key Republicans in the House have shifted in recent years on the same-sex marriage issue, including Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, who joined those voting in favor on Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Said another Republican, Rep. Nancy Mace of South Carolina, in a statement about her yes vote: “If gay couples want to be as happily or miserably married as straight couples, more power to them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Polling shows that a majority of Americans favor preserving rights to marry, regardless of sex, gender, race or ethnicity, a long-building shift in modern mores toward inclusion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A Gallup poll in June showed broad and increasing support for same-sex marriage, with 70% of U.S. adults saying they think such unions should be recognized by law as valid. The poll showed majority support among both Democrats (83%) and Republicans (55%).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Approval of interracial marriage in the U.S. hit a six-decade high at 94% in September, according to Gallup.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ahead of Tuesday's voting, a number of lawmakers joined protesters demonstrating against the abortion ruling outside the Supreme Court, which sits across from the Capitol and remains fenced off for security during tumultuous political times. Capitol Police said among those arrested were 16 members of Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The extremist right-wing majority on the Supreme Court has put our country down a perilous path,” said Rep. Mary Gay Scanlon, D-Pa., in a floor speech, setting Tuesday’s debate in motion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s time for our colleagues across the aisle to stand up and be counted. Will they vote to protect these fundamental freedoms? Or will they vote to let states take those freedoms away?”[pullquote size='medium' align='left' citation=\"Rep. Mary Gay Scanlon, D-Pa. \"]'It's time for our colleagues across the aisle to stand up and be counted. Will they vote to protect these fundamental freedoms? Or will they vote to let states take those freedoms away?'[/pullquote]But Republicans insisted the court was focused only on abortion access in June when it struck down the nearly 50-year-old Roe v. Wade ruling, and they argued that same-sex marriage and other rights were not threatened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, almost none of the Republicans who rose to speak during the debate directly broached the subject of same-sex or interracial marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are here for a political charade, we are here for political messaging,” said Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That same tack could be expected in the Senate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., said, “The predicate of this is just wrong. I don’t think the Supreme Court is going to overturn any of that stuff.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As several Democrats spoke of inequalities they said they or their loved ones had faced in same-sex marriages, the Republicans talked about rising gas prices, inflation and crime, including recent threats to justices in connection with the abortion ruling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Republicans in Congress, the Trump-era confirmation of conservative justices to the Supreme Court has fulfilled a long-term GOP goal of revisiting many social, environmental and regulatory issues the party has been unable to tackle on its own by passing bills that could be signed into law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Respect for Marriage Act would repeal a law from the Clinton era that defines marriage as a heterogeneous relationship between a man and a woman. It would also provide legal protections for interracial marriages by prohibiting any state from denying out-of-state marriage licenses and benefits on the basis of sex, race, ethnicity or national origin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 1996 law, the Defense of Marriage Act, had basically been sidelined by Obama-era court rulings, including \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-courts-marriage-supreme-court-of-the-united-states-united-states-government-9e1933cd1e1a4e969ab45f5952bbb45f\">Obergefell v. Hodges, which established the rights of same-sex couples to marry nationwide\u003c/a>, a landmark case for gay rights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But last month, writing for the majority in overturning Roe v. Wade, Justice Samuel Alito argued for a more narrow interpretation of the rights guaranteed to Americans, noting that the right to an abortion was not spelled out in the Constitution.[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.\"]'The MAGA radicals that are taking over the Republican Party have made it abundantly clear they are not satisfied with repealing Roe.'[/pullquote]In a concurring opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas went further, saying other rulings similar to Roe, including those around same-sex marriage and the right for married couples to use contraception, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-health-government-and-politics-marriage-a0cee537c6f9f10d29fa71f6e7a4d19d\">should be reconsidered\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Alito insisted in the majority opinion that “this decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” others have taken notice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The MAGA radicals that are taking over the Republican Party have made it abundantly clear they are not satisfied with repealing Roe,” said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., referring to Trump's backers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He pointed to comments from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who said over the weekend that the Supreme Court’s decision protecting marriage equality was “clearly wrong” and state legislatures should visit the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Schumer did not commit to holding a vote on the marriage bill.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Lawmakers overwhelmingly approved legislation Tuesday to protect same-sex and interracial marriages amid concerns that the Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe v. 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Wade\u003c/a> could jeopardize other rights criticized by many conservatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a robust but lopsided debate, Democrats argued intensely and often personally in favor of enshrining marriage equality in federal law, while Republicans steered clear of openly rejecting same-sex marriage. Instead, leading Republicans portrayed the bill as unnecessary amid other issues facing the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tuesday's \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-bills-house-vote-fc24d99f184d7aeec4926a6520311da5\">election-year roll call,\u003c/a> 267-157, was partly political strategy, forcing all House members, Republicans and Democrats, to go on the record. It also reflected the legislative branch pushing back against \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-biden-us-supreme-court-right-to-privacy-6e1d7ee2a6d26bef09392971fd4948b5\">an aggressive court that has raised questions about revisiting other apparently settled U.S. laws\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wary of political fallout, GOP leaders did not press their members to hold the party line against the bill, aides said. In all, 47 Republicans joined all Democrats in voting for passage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For me, this is personal,” said Rep. Mondaire Jones, D-N.Y., who said he was among the openly gay members of the House.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Imagine telling the next generation of Americans, my generation, we no longer have the right to marry who we love,” he said. “Congress can't allow that to happen.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the Respect for Marriage Act easily passed the House with a Democratic majority, it is likely to stall in the evenly split Senate, where most Republicans would probably join a filibuster to block it. It's one of several bills, including those enshrining abortion access, that Democrats are proposing to confront the court's conservative majority. Another bill, guaranteeing access to contraceptive services, is set for a vote later this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>House GOP leaders split over the issue, with Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Whip Steve Scalise voting against the marriage rights bill, but the No. 3 Republican, Rep. 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Nancy Mace of South Carolina, in a statement about her yes vote: “If gay couples want to be as happily or miserably married as straight couples, more power to them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Polling shows that a majority of Americans favor preserving rights to marry, regardless of sex, gender, race or ethnicity, a long-building shift in modern mores toward inclusion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A Gallup poll in June showed broad and increasing support for same-sex marriage, with 70% of U.S. adults saying they think such unions should be recognized by law as valid. The poll showed majority support among both Democrats (83%) and Republicans (55%).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Approval of interracial marriage in the U.S. hit a six-decade high at 94% in September, according to Gallup.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ahead of Tuesday's voting, a number of lawmakers joined protesters demonstrating against the abortion ruling outside the Supreme Court, which sits across from the Capitol and remains fenced off for security during tumultuous political times. Capitol Police said among those arrested were 16 members of Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The extremist right-wing majority on the Supreme Court has put our country down a perilous path,” said Rep. Mary Gay Scanlon, D-Pa., in a floor speech, setting Tuesday’s debate in motion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s time for our colleagues across the aisle to stand up and be counted. Will they vote to protect these fundamental freedoms? Or will they vote to let states take those freedoms away?”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'It's time for our colleagues across the aisle to stand up and be counted. Will they vote to protect these fundamental freedoms? Or will they vote to let states take those freedoms away?'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"left","citation":"Rep. Mary Gay Scanlon, D-Pa. ","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>But Republicans insisted the court was focused only on abortion access in June when it struck down the nearly 50-year-old Roe v. Wade ruling, and they argued that same-sex marriage and other rights were not threatened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, almost none of the Republicans who rose to speak during the debate directly broached the subject of same-sex or interracial marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are here for a political charade, we are here for political messaging,” said Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That same tack could be expected in the Senate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., said, “The predicate of this is just wrong. I don’t think the Supreme Court is going to overturn any of that stuff.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As several Democrats spoke of inequalities they said they or their loved ones had faced in same-sex marriages, the Republicans talked about rising gas prices, inflation and crime, including recent threats to justices in connection with the abortion ruling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Republicans in Congress, the Trump-era confirmation of conservative justices to the Supreme Court has fulfilled a long-term GOP goal of revisiting many social, environmental and regulatory issues the party has been unable to tackle on its own by passing bills that could be signed into law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Respect for Marriage Act would repeal a law from the Clinton era that defines marriage as a heterogeneous relationship between a man and a woman. It would also provide legal protections for interracial marriages by prohibiting any state from denying out-of-state marriage licenses and benefits on the basis of sex, race, ethnicity or national origin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 1996 law, the Defense of Marriage Act, had basically been sidelined by Obama-era court rulings, including \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-courts-marriage-supreme-court-of-the-united-states-united-states-government-9e1933cd1e1a4e969ab45f5952bbb45f\">Obergefell v. Hodges, which established the rights of same-sex couples to marry nationwide\u003c/a>, a landmark case for gay rights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But last month, writing for the majority in overturning Roe v. Wade, Justice Samuel Alito argued for a more narrow interpretation of the rights guaranteed to Americans, noting that the right to an abortion was not spelled out in the Constitution.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The MAGA radicals that are taking over the Republican Party have made it abundantly clear they are not satisfied with repealing Roe.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>In a concurring opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas went further, saying other rulings similar to Roe, including those around same-sex marriage and the right for married couples to use contraception, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-health-government-and-politics-marriage-a0cee537c6f9f10d29fa71f6e7a4d19d\">should be reconsidered\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Alito insisted in the majority opinion that “this decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” others have taken notice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The MAGA radicals that are taking over the Republican Party have made it abundantly clear they are not satisfied with repealing Roe,” said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., referring to Trump's backers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He pointed to comments from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who said over the weekend that the Supreme Court’s decision protecting marriage equality was “clearly wrong” and state legislatures should visit the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Schumer did not commit to holding a vote on the marriage bill.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11919970/u-s-house-passes-same-sex-marriage-bill-in-retort-to-conservative-supreme-court","authors":["byline_news_11919970"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_866","news_30251","news_4750","news_31238","news_31344","news_31343","news_3877","news_932"],"featImg":"news_10578186","label":"news"},"news_11537159":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11537159","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11537159","score":null,"sort":[1498679820000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"kqed-urges-court-to-release-recordings-of-gay-marriage-trial","title":"Judge Skeptical of KQED Motion to Release Recordings of Gay Marriage Trial","publishDate":1498679820,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Updated 4:40 p.m. Wednesday:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A federal judge in San Francisco Wednesday indicated he was unlikely to grant a motion by KQED to unseal video recordings of the 2010 U.S. District Court trial that found Proposition 8 unconstitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While KQED established \"a strong public interest in having the recordings published,\" Judge William Orrick said he also agreed with attorneys representing proponents of Proposition 8, who argued that reversing an earlier ruling sealing the recordings would undermine \"judicial integrity.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Orrick did not issue a formal ruling Wednesday, but he made it clear he was disinclined to approve KQED's motion at this time. He said waiting 10 years, until early 2021, would likely strike the \"appropriate balance.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's been almost seven years since a federal court judge in San Francisco \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/documents/us-district-court-decision-perry-v-schwarzenegger?ref=us\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">declared\u003c/a> California's ban on same-sex marriage a violation of the U.S. Constitution. The video and audio of that historic Proposition 8 trial have never seen the light of day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although the entire 2010 trial was scheduled to be broadcast live, the U.S. Supreme Court intervened, ruling that the trial court did not follow proper procedures before allowing the live video streaming.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The entire trial and closing arguments were videotaped anyway, but objections from opponents of same-sex marriage and a federal court order have kept the recordings from being released.\u003cbr>\n[contextly_sidebar id=\"j3YCzPC5dH8M9FwApzh4h2PIUbMeIQvo\"]\u003cbr>\n\"The sealing of the videotape of the Prop. 8 trial can no longer be justified by any compelling interest,\" KQED attorney Thomas Burke wrote in the court filing. KQED argues that the value of unsealing the tapes \"now far outweighs the privacy or other interests of judicial administration.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the trial proceeded, attorneys representing Proposition 8 (the California attorney general declined to defend the measure as it ordinarily would) argued against broadcasting the trial for fear it could invade the privacy or even threaten the safety of their witnesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its brief, KQED argues that seven years after Judge Vaughn Walker issued his \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/documents/us-district-court-decision-perry-v-schwarzenegger?ref=us\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ruling\u003c/a> in the case, \"any meaningful threat of public broadcast has now fully dissipated.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED's case is being supported by the original plaintiffs, the City and County of San Francisco, the American Civil Liberties Union and others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In opposition to unsealing the recordings, Proposition 8 proponents' attorney Charles Cooper quotes the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which in 2012 rejected an earlier request by a coalition of media, including KQED, to release them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The trial judge on several occasions unequivocally promised that the recording of the trial would be used only in chambers and not publicly broadcast,\" Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote. \"He made these commitments because the Supreme Court had intervened in this very case in a manner that required him to do so.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cooper also argues that because Walker’s assurances that the recordings were only for his private use \"were unequivocal, the harm to judicial integrity that would result from revoking them is no less severe today than it was when the Ninth Circuit ruled five years ago.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Representing Proposition 8 proponents on Wednesday, attorney Pete Patterson added little to their written arguments. He didn't really have to, given Judge Orrick's opening comments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Orrick said he did not believe Judge Reinhardt intended to keep the trial recordings permanently sealed, suggesting a motion to unseal them could be reconsidered in 2021, 10 years after the Proposition 8 trial decision went up to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the passage of time, and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_6j37.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">legal resolution\u003c/a> of the same-sex marriage issue by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2013, Proposition 8 proponents argue that releasing the videotapes would \"increase the risk of harm to proponents and witnesses\" from LGBT rights supporters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They also argue that ignoring the earlier promise to keep the recordings sealed \"would cause tangible harm to our system of justice. Witness cooperation would be more difficult to obtain if the public were unable to trust promises about the broadcast of trial proceedings.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>About a dozen LGBT advocates showed up for the hearing to support unsealing the recordings. One of them was Ryan Kendall, who testified during the trial about the damage done to him by so-called reparative therapy that falsely claims to \"convert\" sexual orientation from gay to straight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When I walked into that courtroom seven years ago, it was with a full expectation that it would eventually be broadcast,\" Kendall said after the hearing on Wednesday. \"Clearly I think this is a matter of great public importance and that it would only benefit individuals and families and protect children by letting people see my testimony in particular and the testimony of this case in general.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kendall said he hopes the court will consider releasing parts of the trial testimony, while maintaining a seal on testimony from witnesses who testified in support of California's same-sex marriage ban, if that's what those witnesses want.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We need to change everyone’s hearts and minds so that people are no longer targeted for being gay, tortured for being gay, murdered for being trans or gay,\" he said. \"These things happen in the real world, and we’re not fighting for tapes, we’re fighting for lives.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I have nothing to fear from the truth,\" Kendall added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Support for same-sex marriage throughout the U.S. has grown dramatically in recent years, according to the results of a \u003ca href=\"http://www.people-press.org/2017/06/26/support-for-same-sex-marriage-grows-even-among-groups-that-had-been-skeptical/?utm_source=Pew+Research+Center&utm_campaign=1f473c5639-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_06_28&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3e953b9b70-1f473c5639-399366821\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pew Research Center survey\u003c/a> published this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Scott Shafer filed a declaration in support of KQED's motion.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A federal judge is considering whether there is a compelling public interest in unsealing video recordings of a historic trial that found Proposition 8 unconstitutional and legalized same-sex marriage in California in 2010.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1498694819,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":934},"headData":{"title":"Judge Skeptical of KQED Motion to Release Recordings of Gay Marriage Trial | KQED","description":"A federal judge is considering whether there is a compelling public interest in unsealing video recordings of a historic trial that found Proposition 8 unconstitutional and legalized same-sex marriage in California in 2010.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Judge Skeptical of KQED Motion to Release Recordings of Gay Marriage Trial","datePublished":"2017-06-28T19:57:00.000Z","dateModified":"2017-06-29T00:06:59.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11537159 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11537159","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/06/28/kqed-urges-court-to-release-recordings-of-gay-marriage-trial/","disqusTitle":"Judge Skeptical of KQED Motion to Release Recordings of Gay Marriage Trial","path":"/news/11537159/kqed-urges-court-to-release-recordings-of-gay-marriage-trial","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Updated 4:40 p.m. Wednesday:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A federal judge in San Francisco Wednesday indicated he was unlikely to grant a motion by KQED to unseal video recordings of the 2010 U.S. District Court trial that found Proposition 8 unconstitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While KQED established \"a strong public interest in having the recordings published,\" Judge William Orrick said he also agreed with attorneys representing proponents of Proposition 8, who argued that reversing an earlier ruling sealing the recordings would undermine \"judicial integrity.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Orrick did not issue a formal ruling Wednesday, but he made it clear he was disinclined to approve KQED's motion at this time. He said waiting 10 years, until early 2021, would likely strike the \"appropriate balance.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's been almost seven years since a federal court judge in San Francisco \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/documents/us-district-court-decision-perry-v-schwarzenegger?ref=us\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">declared\u003c/a> California's ban on same-sex marriage a violation of the U.S. Constitution. The video and audio of that historic Proposition 8 trial have never seen the light of day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although the entire 2010 trial was scheduled to be broadcast live, the U.S. Supreme Court intervened, ruling that the trial court did not follow proper procedures before allowing the live video streaming.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The entire trial and closing arguments were videotaped anyway, but objections from opponents of same-sex marriage and a federal court order have kept the recordings from being released.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cbr>\n\"The sealing of the videotape of the Prop. 8 trial can no longer be justified by any compelling interest,\" KQED attorney Thomas Burke wrote in the court filing. KQED argues that the value of unsealing the tapes \"now far outweighs the privacy or other interests of judicial administration.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the trial proceeded, attorneys representing Proposition 8 (the California attorney general declined to defend the measure as it ordinarily would) argued against broadcasting the trial for fear it could invade the privacy or even threaten the safety of their witnesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its brief, KQED argues that seven years after Judge Vaughn Walker issued his \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/documents/us-district-court-decision-perry-v-schwarzenegger?ref=us\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ruling\u003c/a> in the case, \"any meaningful threat of public broadcast has now fully dissipated.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED's case is being supported by the original plaintiffs, the City and County of San Francisco, the American Civil Liberties Union and others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In opposition to unsealing the recordings, Proposition 8 proponents' attorney Charles Cooper quotes the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which in 2012 rejected an earlier request by a coalition of media, including KQED, to release them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The trial judge on several occasions unequivocally promised that the recording of the trial would be used only in chambers and not publicly broadcast,\" Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote. \"He made these commitments because the Supreme Court had intervened in this very case in a manner that required him to do so.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cooper also argues that because Walker’s assurances that the recordings were only for his private use \"were unequivocal, the harm to judicial integrity that would result from revoking them is no less severe today than it was when the Ninth Circuit ruled five years ago.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Representing Proposition 8 proponents on Wednesday, attorney Pete Patterson added little to their written arguments. He didn't really have to, given Judge Orrick's opening comments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Orrick said he did not believe Judge Reinhardt intended to keep the trial recordings permanently sealed, suggesting a motion to unseal them could be reconsidered in 2021, 10 years after the Proposition 8 trial decision went up to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the passage of time, and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_6j37.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">legal resolution\u003c/a> of the same-sex marriage issue by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2013, Proposition 8 proponents argue that releasing the videotapes would \"increase the risk of harm to proponents and witnesses\" from LGBT rights supporters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They also argue that ignoring the earlier promise to keep the recordings sealed \"would cause tangible harm to our system of justice. Witness cooperation would be more difficult to obtain if the public were unable to trust promises about the broadcast of trial proceedings.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>About a dozen LGBT advocates showed up for the hearing to support unsealing the recordings. One of them was Ryan Kendall, who testified during the trial about the damage done to him by so-called reparative therapy that falsely claims to \"convert\" sexual orientation from gay to straight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When I walked into that courtroom seven years ago, it was with a full expectation that it would eventually be broadcast,\" Kendall said after the hearing on Wednesday. \"Clearly I think this is a matter of great public importance and that it would only benefit individuals and families and protect children by letting people see my testimony in particular and the testimony of this case in general.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kendall said he hopes the court will consider releasing parts of the trial testimony, while maintaining a seal on testimony from witnesses who testified in support of California's same-sex marriage ban, if that's what those witnesses want.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We need to change everyone’s hearts and minds so that people are no longer targeted for being gay, tortured for being gay, murdered for being trans or gay,\" he said. \"These things happen in the real world, and we’re not fighting for tapes, we’re fighting for lives.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I have nothing to fear from the truth,\" Kendall added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Support for same-sex marriage throughout the U.S. has grown dramatically in recent years, according to the results of a \u003ca href=\"http://www.people-press.org/2017/06/26/support-for-same-sex-marriage-grows-even-among-groups-that-had-been-skeptical/?utm_source=Pew+Research+Center&utm_campaign=1f473c5639-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_06_28&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3e953b9b70-1f473c5639-399366821\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pew Research Center survey\u003c/a> published this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Scott Shafer filed a declaration in support of KQED's motion.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11537159/kqed-urges-court-to-release-recordings-of-gay-marriage-trial","authors":["255"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_126","news_3877","news_17286"],"featImg":"news_11537327","label":"news_72"},"news_11431636":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11431636","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11431636","score":null,"sort":[1493421933000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"kqed-seeks-to-unseal-prop-8-trial-tapes","title":"KQED Seeks to Unseal Prop. 8 Trial Tapes","publishDate":1493421933,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>KQED today \u003ca href=\"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3680386-Motion-to-Unseal-Videotaped-Trial-Records.html\" target=\"_blank\">filed a motion\u003c/a> in the United States District Court of Northern California requesting that videotapes from the 2010 trial over the constitutionality of California's ban on same-sex marriage be released to the public.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the San Francisco \u003ca href=\"http://www.lambdalegal.org/in-court/cases/perry-v-schwarzenegger\" target=\"_blank\">trial \u003c/a>began in January 2010, Judge Vaughn Walker was set to broadcast the entire trial via closed circuit. But supporters of Proposition 8 objected, taking the matter up to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 that trial should not be broadcast. However, the proceedings were still recorded and kept under seal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Later that year Judge Walker issued a \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollingsworth_v._Perry\" target=\"_blank\">decision\u003c/a> striking down Proposition 8 as a violation of the U.S. Constitution's guarantees of equal protection and due process. It was the nation's first court decision overturning a same sex marriage ban on federal constitution grounds. Walker's decision was later \u003ca href=\"https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/view.php?pk_id=0000000580\" target=\"_blank\">upheld \u003c/a>by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The U.S. Supreme Court let the trial court decision stand, saying the backers of Proposition 8 lacked legal standing to challenge it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today's motion, which is supported by the two same-sex couples that challenged Proposition 8 in federal court as well as the National Center for Lesbian Rights and other LGBT groups, asserts that there is no longer a compelling reason to prevent people from seeing the tapes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Unsealing is appropriate because so much has changed since the Ninth Circuit ordered that the tapes remain sealed over five years ago,\" KQED attorney Thomas R. Burke wrote in the motion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He notes that since the \u003ca href=\"https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_8,_the_%22Eliminates_Right_of_Same-Sex_Couples_to_Marry%22_Initiative_(2008)\" target=\"_blank\">Proposition 8\u003c/a> trial, the U.S. Supreme Court let stand that lower court decision striking it down in 2013.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"P3bjx6Zw5Qz8nZK7PCzMV1L9Tz6h88yE\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The justices also struck down parts of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_6j37.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Defense of Marriage Act, \u003c/a>and ultimately in 2015 in \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Obergefell v. Hodges \u003c/a>made same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In other words,\" Burke wrote, \"the legal issue at the core of the case has now moved from the category of hotly litigated controversies to settled law.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The sealing of the video of the Prop. 8 trial proceedings can no longer be justified by any compelling interest,\" the motion reads. \"Rather, the interests to the public in unsealing the videotapes now far outweigh the privacy or other interests of judicial administration.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Proposition 8 trial included emotional testimony from the four plaintiffs and others, including a young man who had been forced by his parents to undergo discredited \"conversion therapy\" to make him straight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters of Proposition 8 are expected to oppose this motion to unseal the tapes. At the time their attorneys argued that broadcasting the trial could threaten the safety and privacy of its witnesses. One of those witnesses has since publicly stated that his position changed, and that he now supports the right of same-sex couples to marry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The case has not yet been assigned to a judge, nor has a hearing date been set.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Videotapes of the historic trial that resulted in striking down California's ban on same-sex marriage have been locked away for years. Now, KQED wants a court to make them public.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1493477326,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":15,"wordCount":507},"headData":{"title":"KQED Seeks to Unseal Prop. 8 Trial Tapes | KQED","description":"Videotapes of the historic trial that resulted in striking down California's ban on same-sex marriage have been locked away for years. Now, KQED wants a court to make them public.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"KQED Seeks to Unseal Prop. 8 Trial Tapes","datePublished":"2017-04-28T23:25:33.000Z","dateModified":"2017-04-29T14:48:46.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11431636 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11431636","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/04/28/kqed-seeks-to-unseal-prop-8-trial-tapes/","disqusTitle":"KQED Seeks to Unseal Prop. 8 Trial Tapes","path":"/news/11431636/kqed-seeks-to-unseal-prop-8-trial-tapes","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>KQED today \u003ca href=\"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3680386-Motion-to-Unseal-Videotaped-Trial-Records.html\" target=\"_blank\">filed a motion\u003c/a> in the United States District Court of Northern California requesting that videotapes from the 2010 trial over the constitutionality of California's ban on same-sex marriage be released to the public.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the San Francisco \u003ca href=\"http://www.lambdalegal.org/in-court/cases/perry-v-schwarzenegger\" target=\"_blank\">trial \u003c/a>began in January 2010, Judge Vaughn Walker was set to broadcast the entire trial via closed circuit. But supporters of Proposition 8 objected, taking the matter up to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 that trial should not be broadcast. However, the proceedings were still recorded and kept under seal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Later that year Judge Walker issued a \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollingsworth_v._Perry\" target=\"_blank\">decision\u003c/a> striking down Proposition 8 as a violation of the U.S. Constitution's guarantees of equal protection and due process. It was the nation's first court decision overturning a same sex marriage ban on federal constitution grounds. Walker's decision was later \u003ca href=\"https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/view.php?pk_id=0000000580\" target=\"_blank\">upheld \u003c/a>by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The U.S. Supreme Court let the trial court decision stand, saying the backers of Proposition 8 lacked legal standing to challenge it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today's motion, which is supported by the two same-sex couples that challenged Proposition 8 in federal court as well as the National Center for Lesbian Rights and other LGBT groups, asserts that there is no longer a compelling reason to prevent people from seeing the tapes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Unsealing is appropriate because so much has changed since the Ninth Circuit ordered that the tapes remain sealed over five years ago,\" KQED attorney Thomas R. Burke wrote in the motion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He notes that since the \u003ca href=\"https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_8,_the_%22Eliminates_Right_of_Same-Sex_Couples_to_Marry%22_Initiative_(2008)\" target=\"_blank\">Proposition 8\u003c/a> trial, the U.S. Supreme Court let stand that lower court decision striking it down in 2013.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The justices also struck down parts of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_6j37.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Defense of Marriage Act, \u003c/a>and ultimately in 2015 in \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Obergefell v. Hodges \u003c/a>made same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In other words,\" Burke wrote, \"the legal issue at the core of the case has now moved from the category of hotly litigated controversies to settled law.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The sealing of the video of the Prop. 8 trial proceedings can no longer be justified by any compelling interest,\" the motion reads. \"Rather, the interests to the public in unsealing the videotapes now far outweigh the privacy or other interests of judicial administration.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Proposition 8 trial included emotional testimony from the four plaintiffs and others, including a young man who had been forced by his parents to undergo discredited \"conversion therapy\" to make him straight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters of Proposition 8 are expected to oppose this motion to unseal the tapes. At the time their attorneys argued that broadcasting the trial could threaten the safety and privacy of its witnesses. One of those witnesses has since publicly stated that his position changed, and that he now supports the right of same-sex couples to marry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The case has not yet been assigned to a judge, nor has a hearing date been set.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11431636/kqed-seeks-to-unseal-prop-8-trial-tapes","authors":["255"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8"],"tags":["news_82","news_126","news_3877","news_17286","news_1244"],"featImg":"news_68606","label":"news_72"},"news_92269":{"type":"posts","id":"news_92269","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"92269","score":null,"sort":[1364245238000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-other-ted-no-on-8-attorney-prepares-for-supreme-court-oral-arguements","title":"The 'Other' Ted: No on 8 Attorney Prepares for Supreme Court Oral Arguments","publishDate":1364245238,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>When Theodore Boutrous Jr. hopped on the phone the other day from Washington, he was giddy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We just got a unanimous ruling at the Supreme Court!\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He was referring to the 9-0 decision on behalf of his client, an insurance company fighting a class-action case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked Boutrous, who goes by \"Ted,\" how many times he has argued in front of the Supreme Court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_92270\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 195px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/03/25/the-other-ted-no-on-8-attorney-prepares-for-supreme-court-oral-arguements/michael-jacksons/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-92270\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-92270 \" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/03/50997687-195x300.jpg\" alt=\"File photo. Theodore Boutros, Media attorney speaks at a press conference after the Michael Jackson's pre-trial hearing on June 25, 2004. (Joshua Gates Weisberg-Pool/Getty Images)\" width=\"195\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Theodore Boutros, media attorney speaks at a press conference after the Michael Jackson's pre-trial hearing in 2004. (Joshua Gates Weisberg-Pool/Getty Images) Supreme Court.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Twice,\" he said. \"And I’ve got 18 votes!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I suggested he should retire while he has a perfect record -- 18 votes mean all the justices ruled in his favor both times he appeared before them -- he emailed back, “It’s tempting!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the start of the Proposition 8 debate in federal court four years ago, \u003ca href=\"http://www.gibsondunn.com/lawyers/tboutrous\">Boutrous\u003c/a> has been overshadowed by a higher-profile Ted, colleague \u003ca href=\"http://www.gibsondunn.com/lawyers/tolson\">Theodore Olson\u003c/a>. Both are partners at \u003ca href=\"http://www.gibsondunn.com/lawyers/tboutrous\" target=\"_blank\">Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher\u003c/a> (Boutrous in Los Angeles, Olson in D.C.) and have worked together for nearly 30 years. Both are part of the high-powered No on 8 legal team.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Olson is renowned in legal circles as a leading conservative, which makes his pairing with David Boies (whom he faced on opposite sides of the Bush v. Gore case in 2000) so interesting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Preparing for the Big Day\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Olson will be the attorney arguing before the justices on behalf of the No on 8 team on Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To prepare for oral arguments, the team has been doing simulations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We’ll have done four moot courts by Tuesday,\" Boutrous said, referring to the practice arguments. \"We’ve had a mix of experienced Supreme Court litigators from inside and outside the firm join us for the preparation.\"\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\"Ted [Olson] walks up to the podium,\" Boutrous said. \"The four or five lawyers playing the roles of justices stay in character during the hourlong session. They let him get off a few sentences, and then they just go at him.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People like playing justices,\" Boutrous joked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_92284\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/03/25/behind-the-scenes-with-the-no-on-8-team/federal-appeals-court-holds-hearing-on-prop-8-6/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-92284\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-92284\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/03/RS4279_107361311-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"No on 8 attorneys\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">No on 8 attorneys Ted Boutrous (R), Ted Olson (2nd R) David Boies (L) speak to reporters following a hearing at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in 2010. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The moot courts, he said, allow the No on 8 legal team to try out and edit their best arguments, to see where a particular argument will lead and to practice avoiding the creation of unnecessary issues that could bog down the argument or distract from the main points.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The No on 8 team will have 20 minutes to argue its case. The U.S. Solicitor General, also opposing Prop. 8, gets 10 minutes. The Yes on 8 team gets the other 30 minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reading the Justices\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Don’t get too happy or too depressed about the questions they ask during the arguments,\" Boutrous said. \"You just don’t know what the purpose of the question is. You have to stay even-keeled.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, he noted, he was stunned to see he’d gotten Justice Elena Kagan’s vote in that recent 9-0 decision because her questions during oral arguments seemed so hostile to his side.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Looking Sharp\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On a lighter matter, I asked how they decide what to wear in court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You always keep to dark colors,\" Boutrous said. \"I remember once I saw a lawyer came into court with a powder-blue jacket. I thought, 'This isn’t going to go well!'\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>'Abstract Principles Versus Real People'\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Boutrous and the rest of team appear confident.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked what is the biggest hurdle his opponents face.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They’ve never been able to prove that excluding gay people is necessary to anyone or anything,\" Boutrous said. \"They can’t point to any harm done by same-sex marriage. It’s their abstract principles versus real people and their children being harmed. They just want to be like everybody else.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"When Theodore Boutrous, Jr. hopped on the phone the other day from Washington, he was giddy. “We just got a unanimous ruling at the Supreme Court!” He was referring to the 9-0 decision on behalf of his client, an insurance company fighting a class action case.\r\n\r\nI asked Boutrous, who goes by “Ted”, how many times he’s argued in front of the Supreme Court. “Twice, “ he said. “And I’ve got 18 votes!” When I suggested he should retire while he has a perfect record, he emailed back “It’s tempting!”\r\n\r\n\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-92270\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/files/2013/03/50997687-195x300.jpg\" alt=\"File photo. Theodore Boutros, Media attorney speaks at a press conference after the Michael Jackson's pre-trial hearing on June 25, 2004. (Joshua Gates Weisberg-Pool/Getty Images)\" width=\"195\" height=\"300\" style=\"padding:10px 10px 10px 10 px\" align=\"right\" />\u003c/a> \r\nSince the start of the Prop. 8 debate in federal court four years ago, Boutrous has been overshadowed by his high profile colleague, attorney Theodore Olson. Both are partners at \u003ca href=\"http://www.gibsondunn.com/lawyers/tboutrous\" target=\"_blank\">Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher\u003c/a> (Boutrous in the Los Angeles office, Olson in D.C.) and have worked together for nearly 30 years. Olson is renowned in legal circles as a leading conservative, which makes his pairing with David Boies (whom he faced on opposite sides of the Bush v. Gore case in 2000) so interesting.\r\n\r\nBoutrous may not get the “ink” they get, but he’s been an integral part of the legal strategy against Prop. 8.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1398733234,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":28,"wordCount":683},"headData":{"title":"The 'Other' Ted: No on 8 Attorney Prepares for Supreme Court Oral Arguments | KQED","description":"When Theodore Boutrous, Jr. hopped on the phone the other day from Washington, he was giddy. “We just got a unanimous ruling at the Supreme Court!” He was referring to the 9-0 decision on behalf of his client, an insurance company fighting a class action case.\r\n\r\nI asked Boutrous, who goes by “Ted”, how many times he’s argued in front of the Supreme Court. “Twice, “ he said. “And I’ve got 18 votes!” When I suggested he should retire while he has a perfect record, he emailed back “It’s tempting!”\r\n\r\n \r\nSince the start of the Prop. 8 debate in federal court four years ago, Boutrous has been overshadowed by his high profile colleague, attorney Theodore Olson. Both are partners at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher (Boutrous in the Los Angeles office, Olson in D.C.) and have worked together for nearly 30 years. Olson is renowned in legal circles as a leading conservative, which makes his pairing with David Boies (whom he faced on opposite sides of the Bush v. Gore case in 2000) so interesting.\r\n\r\nBoutrous may not get the “ink” they get, but he’s been an integral part of the legal strategy against Prop. 8.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"The 'Other' Ted: No on 8 Attorney Prepares for Supreme Court Oral Arguments","datePublished":"2013-03-25T21:00:38.000Z","dateModified":"2014-04-29T01:00:34.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"92269 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=92269","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/03/25/the-other-ted-no-on-8-attorney-prepares-for-supreme-court-oral-arguements/","disqusTitle":"The 'Other' Ted: No on 8 Attorney Prepares for Supreme Court Oral Arguments","path":"/news/92269/the-other-ted-no-on-8-attorney-prepares-for-supreme-court-oral-arguements","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>When Theodore Boutrous Jr. hopped on the phone the other day from Washington, he was giddy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We just got a unanimous ruling at the Supreme Court!\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He was referring to the 9-0 decision on behalf of his client, an insurance company fighting a class-action case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked Boutrous, who goes by \"Ted,\" how many times he has argued in front of the Supreme Court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_92270\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 195px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/03/25/the-other-ted-no-on-8-attorney-prepares-for-supreme-court-oral-arguements/michael-jacksons/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-92270\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-92270 \" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/03/50997687-195x300.jpg\" alt=\"File photo. Theodore Boutros, Media attorney speaks at a press conference after the Michael Jackson's pre-trial hearing on June 25, 2004. (Joshua Gates Weisberg-Pool/Getty Images)\" width=\"195\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Theodore Boutros, media attorney speaks at a press conference after the Michael Jackson's pre-trial hearing in 2004. (Joshua Gates Weisberg-Pool/Getty Images) Supreme Court.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Twice,\" he said. \"And I’ve got 18 votes!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I suggested he should retire while he has a perfect record -- 18 votes mean all the justices ruled in his favor both times he appeared before them -- he emailed back, “It’s tempting!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the start of the Proposition 8 debate in federal court four years ago, \u003ca href=\"http://www.gibsondunn.com/lawyers/tboutrous\">Boutrous\u003c/a> has been overshadowed by a higher-profile Ted, colleague \u003ca href=\"http://www.gibsondunn.com/lawyers/tolson\">Theodore Olson\u003c/a>. Both are partners at \u003ca href=\"http://www.gibsondunn.com/lawyers/tboutrous\" target=\"_blank\">Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher\u003c/a> (Boutrous in Los Angeles, Olson in D.C.) and have worked together for nearly 30 years. Both are part of the high-powered No on 8 legal team.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Olson is renowned in legal circles as a leading conservative, which makes his pairing with David Boies (whom he faced on opposite sides of the Bush v. Gore case in 2000) so interesting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Preparing for the Big Day\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Olson will be the attorney arguing before the justices on behalf of the No on 8 team on Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To prepare for oral arguments, the team has been doing simulations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We’ll have done four moot courts by Tuesday,\" Boutrous said, referring to the practice arguments. \"We’ve had a mix of experienced Supreme Court litigators from inside and outside the firm join us for the preparation.\"\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\"Ted [Olson] walks up to the podium,\" Boutrous said. \"The four or five lawyers playing the roles of justices stay in character during the hourlong session. They let him get off a few sentences, and then they just go at him.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People like playing justices,\" Boutrous joked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_92284\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/03/25/behind-the-scenes-with-the-no-on-8-team/federal-appeals-court-holds-hearing-on-prop-8-6/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-92284\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-92284\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/03/RS4279_107361311-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"No on 8 attorneys\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">No on 8 attorneys Ted Boutrous (R), Ted Olson (2nd R) David Boies (L) speak to reporters following a hearing at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in 2010. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The moot courts, he said, allow the No on 8 legal team to try out and edit their best arguments, to see where a particular argument will lead and to practice avoiding the creation of unnecessary issues that could bog down the argument or distract from the main points.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The No on 8 team will have 20 minutes to argue its case. The U.S. Solicitor General, also opposing Prop. 8, gets 10 minutes. The Yes on 8 team gets the other 30 minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reading the Justices\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Don’t get too happy or too depressed about the questions they ask during the arguments,\" Boutrous said. \"You just don’t know what the purpose of the question is. You have to stay even-keeled.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, he noted, he was stunned to see he’d gotten Justice Elena Kagan’s vote in that recent 9-0 decision because her questions during oral arguments seemed so hostile to his side.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Looking Sharp\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On a lighter matter, I asked how they decide what to wear in court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You always keep to dark colors,\" Boutrous said. \"I remember once I saw a lawyer came into court with a powder-blue jacket. I thought, 'This isn’t going to go well!'\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>'Abstract Principles Versus Real People'\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Boutrous and the rest of team appear confident.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I asked what is the biggest hurdle his opponents face.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They’ve never been able to prove that excluding gay people is necessary to anyone or anything,\" Boutrous said. \"They can’t point to any harm done by same-sex marriage. It’s their abstract principles versus real people and their children being harmed. They just want to be like everybody else.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/92269/the-other-ted-no-on-8-attorney-prepares-for-supreme-court-oral-arguements","authors":["255"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188","news_13"],"tags":["news_152","news_82","news_126","news_3877","news_322","news_1172"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_88732":{"type":"posts","id":"news_88732","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"88732","score":null,"sort":[1360626143000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"new-pope-not-likely-to-soften-same-sex-marriage-opposition","title":"Expert: New Pope Not Likely to Soften Same-Sex Marriage Opposition","publishDate":1360626143,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Don't expect the next pope to preside over a gay couple's marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pope Benedict XVI, who announced on Monday that he will step down as head of the Catholic Church at the end of February, has taken a hard line on same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_88757\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 207px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/02/11/new-pope-not-likely-to-soften-same-sex-marriage-opposition/pope-benedict-wikimedia/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-88757\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-88757\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/02/Pope-Benedict-Wikimedia-207x300.jpg\" alt=\"Pope Benedict XVI (Photo: Office of the President of Poland)\" width=\"207\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Pope Benedict XVII (Photo: Office of the President of Poland)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He worried LGBT Catholics in California when \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/07/27/sfs-new-archbishop-sees-the-evil-one-in-gay-marriag\">he appointed Salvatore Cordileone \u003c/a>as archbishop of San Francisco. Cordileone helped lead the drive for California's Proposition 8, which bans same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And Benedict himself has often spoken out to condemn same-sex marriage, including a Christmas, 2012 speech in which he \u003ca href=\"http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/12/21/pope-gay-marriage/1783911/\">called it\u003c/a> an \"attack\" on the traditional family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's clear that he has been a real tough disciplinarian,\" said Bernard Schlager, a Catholic who teaches at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, and is Executive Director of the Center for Lesbian & Gay Studies in Religion and Ministry. \"Not just on LGBTQ, but other issues he has taken a real hard line.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But none of the cardinals who might take Benedict's place have expressed a more liberal view. \"The bishops around the world right now are so conservative,\" said Schlager.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A heterosexual-only view of marriage is written into the Catechism of the Catholic Church, its guiding principles, and Schlager doesn't foresee the next pope changing it. \"I would be more than shocked if that were to happen.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The new pope could address other concerns high on the list of Californians, however, said Schlager, such as ethnic diversity.\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some Catholics are hoping that the College of Cardinals will chose a pope from the Southern Hemisphere. [pullquote\u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2013/02/11/171742881/popes-resignation-spurs-talk-of-global-south-successor\">]\u003c/a>\u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2013/02/11/171742881/popes-resignation-spurs-talk-of-global-south-successor\">\u003cstrong>More on the church's changing demographics from NPR.org\u003c/strong> \u003c/a>\n\u003c/p>\u003cp>Except in ancient times, there has never been a pope from outside Europe, even though the church is more \"vibrant\" in South America, Africa and Asia, said Schlager.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_88767\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 225px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/02/11/new-pope-not-likely-to-soften-same-sex-marriage-opposition/trish/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-88767\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-88767 \" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/02/Trish-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"Trish Sadaya (Aarti Shahani)\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Trish Sadaya (Aarti Shahani)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On the other hand, Christoph von Schönborn, the Archbishop of Vienna, has said the church should review its requirement of celibacy for priests in light of recent sex abuse scandals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As in other parts of the country, sex abuse scandals have roiled California dioceses, including in Los Angeles where former Archbishop Roger Mahony was accused of covering up abuses. In January his successor, José Horacio Góme Mahony, relieved Mahony of pastoral duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's not inconceivable that the next pope would lift the celibacy requirement. \"Catholic seminaries would fill up over night,\" said Schlager. Also the next pope might hold more priests accountable for committing abuse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other Bay Area Catholics had mixed reactions to the news of Pope Benedict's retirement. At Most Holy Redeemer Catcholic Church Senior Center, Linda Marie Pillay told KQED's Aarti Shahani that she hoped Benedict's successor would be more modern. “He was too conservative,\" she said. \"He wanted to go back to the Latin mass, to put women in their place so to speak, all these things that are not relevant anymore to today’s world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Attending Mass at St. Patrick’s Church, Trish Sadaya told Shahani it's all in God's hands. \"I love the pope and I'll love the next one too. So, unconditional love. Amen.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cordileone praised the retiring pope in a written statement. \"Those of us who know him and who have watched his whole life unfold in service to God, can see that that this decision to step down was motivated by his own discernment of what best serves the good of the Church,\" he said. \"I will pray for him with great filial affection, and ask that we all hold him in prayer at this time.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1360627111,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":622},"headData":{"title":"Expert: New Pope Not Likely to Soften Same-Sex Marriage Opposition | KQED","description":"Don't expect the next pope to preside over a gay couple's marriage. 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Cordileone helped lead the drive for California's Proposition 8, which bans same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And Benedict himself has often spoken out to condemn same-sex marriage, including a Christmas, 2012 speech in which he \u003ca href=\"http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/12/21/pope-gay-marriage/1783911/\">called it\u003c/a> an \"attack\" on the traditional family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's clear that he has been a real tough disciplinarian,\" said Bernard Schlager, a Catholic who teaches at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, and is Executive Director of the Center for Lesbian & Gay Studies in Religion and Ministry. \"Not just on LGBTQ, but other issues he has taken a real hard line.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But none of the cardinals who might take Benedict's place have expressed a more liberal view. \"The bishops around the world right now are so conservative,\" said Schlager.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A heterosexual-only view of marriage is written into the Catechism of the Catholic Church, its guiding principles, and Schlager doesn't foresee the next pope changing it. \"I would be more than shocked if that were to happen.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The new pope could address other concerns high on the list of Californians, however, said Schlager, such as ethnic diversity.\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some Catholics are hoping that the College of Cardinals will chose a pope from the Southern Hemisphere. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"label":"\u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2013/02/11/171742881/popes-resignation-spurs-talk-of-global-south-successor\">"},"numeric":["\u003ca","href=\"http://www.npr.org/2013/02/11/171742881/popes-resignation-spurs-talk-of-global-south-successor\">"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/a>\u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2013/02/11/171742881/popes-resignation-spurs-talk-of-global-south-successor\">\u003cstrong>More on the church's changing demographics from NPR.org\u003c/strong> \u003c/a>\n\u003c/p>\u003cp>Except in ancient times, there has never been a pope from outside Europe, even though the church is more \"vibrant\" in South America, Africa and Asia, said Schlager.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_88767\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 225px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/02/11/new-pope-not-likely-to-soften-same-sex-marriage-opposition/trish/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-88767\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-88767 \" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/02/Trish-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"Trish Sadaya (Aarti Shahani)\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Trish Sadaya (Aarti Shahani)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On the other hand, Christoph von Schönborn, the Archbishop of Vienna, has said the church should review its requirement of celibacy for priests in light of recent sex abuse scandals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As in other parts of the country, sex abuse scandals have roiled California dioceses, including in Los Angeles where former Archbishop Roger Mahony was accused of covering up abuses. In January his successor, José Horacio Góme Mahony, relieved Mahony of pastoral duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's not inconceivable that the next pope would lift the celibacy requirement. \"Catholic seminaries would fill up over night,\" said Schlager. Also the next pope might hold more priests accountable for committing abuse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other Bay Area Catholics had mixed reactions to the news of Pope Benedict's retirement. At Most Holy Redeemer Catcholic Church Senior Center, Linda Marie Pillay told KQED's Aarti Shahani that she hoped Benedict's successor would be more modern. “He was too conservative,\" she said. \"He wanted to go back to the Latin mass, to put women in their place so to speak, all these things that are not relevant anymore to today’s world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Attending Mass at St. Patrick’s Church, Trish Sadaya told Shahani it's all in God's hands. \"I love the pope and I'll love the next one too. So, unconditional love. Amen.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cordileone praised the retiring pope in a written statement. \"Those of us who know him and who have watched his whole life unfold in service to God, can see that that this decision to step down was motivated by his own discernment of what best serves the good of the Church,\" he said. \"I will pray for him with great filial affection, and ask that we all hold him in prayer at this time.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/88732/new-pope-not-likely-to-soften-same-sex-marriage-opposition","authors":["1367"],"programs":["news_6944"],"tags":["news_2828","news_2626","news_82","news_3874","news_3875","news_3876","news_856","news_2826","news_3877"],"label":"news_6944"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. 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