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It really is a gag order, and it compounds the harm, because you’ve already experienced the discrimination, or harassment, you’ve been pushed out of your job, and you can’t even explain why you left.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You can't fix a problem if you don’t know there’s a problem,\" said state Sen. Connie Leyva, D-Chino. She authored one of two laws passed in 2018 that made it illegal for companies to bar people from going public about misconduct involving sex or gender.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If someone is not allowed to speak out about what happened to them, it’s never gonna change,\" she said. \"Sure, if you're Coca-Cola and you don't want somebody giving away the secret ingredients, no problem. We understand that. But people should always have the right to be able to speak out against any form of discrimination.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Leyva has introduced a new bill, \u003ca href=\"https://sd20.senate.ca.gov/news/2021-02-08-senator-leyva-introduces-%E2%80%9Csilenced-no-more-act%E2%80%9D\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Senate Bill 331\u003c/a>, which casts a wider net — covering workplace discrimination involving race, ethnicity, age, disability and religion. Even, and perhaps especially, in a severance settlement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They’re multibillion-dollar corporations. If Pinterest decided to sue me, I would be bankrupted,\" said Ifeoma Ozoma, a former tech policy manager at Google, Facebook and Pinterest. Ozoma \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11824857/silicon-valleys-black-employees-question-corporate-claims-that-black-lives-matter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">went public\u003c/a> last year against Pinterest with allegations she was underpaid and subjected to racist comments and retaliation. These days, she’s lobbying for Leyva’s bill. [ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The agreements are written so broadly, you can’t even speak to your spouse about what happened. It really is a gag order, and it compounds the harm, because you’ve already experienced the discrimination, or harassment, you’ve been pushed out of your job, and you can’t even explain why you left,\" Ozoma said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She added that even new agreements, which are crafted to comply with California's new laws about sexual and gender harassment and discrimination, are still written in language designed to confuse and intimidate. \"I would not be surprised if folks who could not afford legal help or did not understand that the [new] statutes existed, think that they are under a gag order, even if they fall under those categories,\" Ozoma said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Political analysts say you won't see individual tech titans openly oppose this bill, because when a political position is unpopular, California companies typically leave the public lobbying to groups like the \u003ca href=\"https://www.thesvo.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Silicon Valley Organization\u003c/a>, formerly the San Jose Silicon Valley Chamber of Commerce. But just a few months ago, that organization ousted its CEO over a racist campaign ad \u003ca href=\"https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-councilmember-denounces-racist-message-from-backer-targeting-her-opponent/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">scandal\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside tag=\"silicon-valley\" label=\"more coverage\"]\"I don’t think that you will get a lot of pushback anywhere in Silicon Valley on this type of legislation. That day is past,\" said Russell Hancock, president and CEO of \u003ca href=\"https://jointventure.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Joint Venture Silicon Valley\u003c/a>, a think tank in San Jose that studies the regional economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s been a well-established gap over the last half century between the progressive political rhetoric of Silicon Valley leaders and their companies' behavior behind the scenes with employees. But Hancock says the industry is facing increasing pressure to change from the outside, as well as the inside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Workforce, stock holders, other stake holders are becoming outspoken, vociferous and even demanding on management, workplace culture and other ethical issues,\" he said. \"We've been famously non-unionized, a Wild West. That is actually starting to change, even at big companies. I don't mean to be naive or sentimental, but I think 2020 was an important year and people have come to feel differently.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The biggest Silicon Valley companies are multinational, employing hundreds of thousands of people far beyond the reach of California law. But as the #MeToo movement and the Black Lives Matter movement demonstrate, the court of public opinion is increasingly global.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This bill covers every single form of workplace harassment or discrimination,\" Ozoma said. \"I'm hoping this lays the groundwork for similar bills in New York and in other states, and maybe even at the federal level.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"If passed, the new bill would cover workplace discrimination involving race, ethnicity, age, disability and religion. Even, and perhaps especially, in a severance settlement.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1630006355,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":16,"wordCount":842},"headData":{"title":"New California Bill Takes Aim at Non-Disclosure Agreements That Block Talk of Harassment | KQED","description":"If passed, the new bill would cover workplace discrimination involving race, ethnicity, age, disability and religion. Even, and perhaps especially, in a severance settlement.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11860458 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11860458","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2021/02/16/new-california-bill-takes-aim-at-non-disclosure-agreements-that-block-talk-of-harassment/","disqusTitle":"New California Bill Takes Aim at Non-Disclosure Agreements That Block Talk of Harassment","audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-4[…]f-aaef00f5a073/8d88ceb0-a45c-459f-a4da-acd10112f4fe/audio.mp3","path":"/news/11860458/new-california-bill-takes-aim-at-non-disclosure-agreements-that-block-talk-of-harassment","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Silicon Valley is \u003ca href=\"https://www.teamblind.com/blog/index.php/2018/09/04/15-percent-of-tech-workers-silenced-by-an-nda/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">infamous\u003c/a> for making prospective and departing employees sign agreements designed to prevent them from speaking out about just about everything. But in recent years, state lawmakers have been chipping away at that legal practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They go by many names: non-disclosure, non-disparagement and confidentiality agreements. Some you sign to get the job, some you sign on the way out. They’re all intended to keep people silent about what goes on behind closed doors. And while initially “NDAs” were mainly about protecting trade secrets, the #MeToo movement and the Black Lives Matter movement — along with the broader effort toward racial justice — have exposed the way the NDA also serves as corporate cover for illegal behavior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The agreements are written so broadly, you can’t even speak to your spouse about what happened. It really is a gag order, and it compounds the harm, because you’ve already experienced the discrimination, or harassment, you’ve been pushed out of your job, and you can’t even explain why you left.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Ifeoma Ozoma","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You can't fix a problem if you don’t know there’s a problem,\" said state Sen. Connie Leyva, D-Chino. She authored one of two laws passed in 2018 that made it illegal for companies to bar people from going public about misconduct involving sex or gender.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If someone is not allowed to speak out about what happened to them, it’s never gonna change,\" she said. \"Sure, if you're Coca-Cola and you don't want somebody giving away the secret ingredients, no problem. We understand that. But people should always have the right to be able to speak out against any form of discrimination.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Leyva has introduced a new bill, \u003ca href=\"https://sd20.senate.ca.gov/news/2021-02-08-senator-leyva-introduces-%E2%80%9Csilenced-no-more-act%E2%80%9D\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Senate Bill 331\u003c/a>, which casts a wider net — covering workplace discrimination involving race, ethnicity, age, disability and religion. Even, and perhaps especially, in a severance settlement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They’re multibillion-dollar corporations. If Pinterest decided to sue me, I would be bankrupted,\" said Ifeoma Ozoma, a former tech policy manager at Google, Facebook and Pinterest. Ozoma \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11824857/silicon-valleys-black-employees-question-corporate-claims-that-black-lives-matter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">went public\u003c/a> last year against Pinterest with allegations she was underpaid and subjected to racist comments and retaliation. These days, she’s lobbying for Leyva’s bill. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The agreements are written so broadly, you can’t even speak to your spouse about what happened. It really is a gag order, and it compounds the harm, because you’ve already experienced the discrimination, or harassment, you’ve been pushed out of your job, and you can’t even explain why you left,\" Ozoma said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She added that even new agreements, which are crafted to comply with California's new laws about sexual and gender harassment and discrimination, are still written in language designed to confuse and intimidate. \"I would not be surprised if folks who could not afford legal help or did not understand that the [new] statutes existed, think that they are under a gag order, even if they fall under those categories,\" Ozoma said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Political analysts say you won't see individual tech titans openly oppose this bill, because when a political position is unpopular, California companies typically leave the public lobbying to groups like the \u003ca href=\"https://www.thesvo.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Silicon Valley Organization\u003c/a>, formerly the San Jose Silicon Valley Chamber of Commerce. But just a few months ago, that organization ousted its CEO over a racist campaign ad \u003ca href=\"https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-councilmember-denounces-racist-message-from-backer-targeting-her-opponent/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">scandal\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"silicon-valley","label":"more coverage "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\"I don’t think that you will get a lot of pushback anywhere in Silicon Valley on this type of legislation. That day is past,\" said Russell Hancock, president and CEO of \u003ca href=\"https://jointventure.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Joint Venture Silicon Valley\u003c/a>, a think tank in San Jose that studies the regional economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s been a well-established gap over the last half century between the progressive political rhetoric of Silicon Valley leaders and their companies' behavior behind the scenes with employees. But Hancock says the industry is facing increasing pressure to change from the outside, as well as the inside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Workforce, stock holders, other stake holders are becoming outspoken, vociferous and even demanding on management, workplace culture and other ethical issues,\" he said. \"We've been famously non-unionized, a Wild West. That is actually starting to change, even at big companies. I don't mean to be naive or sentimental, but I think 2020 was an important year and people have come to feel differently.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The biggest Silicon Valley companies are multinational, employing hundreds of thousands of people far beyond the reach of California law. But as the #MeToo movement and the Black Lives Matter movement demonstrate, the court of public opinion is increasingly global.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This bill covers every single form of workplace harassment or discrimination,\" Ozoma said. \"I'm hoping this lays the groundwork for similar bills in New York and in other states, and maybe even at the federal level.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11860458/new-california-bill-takes-aim-at-non-disclosure-agreements-that-block-talk-of-harassment","authors":["251"],"categories":["news_1758","news_8","news_248"],"tags":["news_19971","news_23186","news_25057","news_22464","news_2706","news_2011","news_29170","news_353"],"featImg":"news_11860547","label":"news"},"news_11824857":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11824857","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11824857","score":null,"sort":[1592485236000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"silicon-valleys-black-employees-question-corporate-claims-that-black-lives-matter","title":"Silicon Valley's Black Employees Question Corporate Claims That Black Lives Matter","publishDate":1592485236,"format":"audio","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Many people consider San Francisco-based Pinterest one of the friendlier social media platforms. That, at least, is what initially drew former public policy and social impact manager Ifeoma Ozoma to Pinterest in July of 2018 from her previous job at Facebook\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I thought this is a company that believes in diversity, or at least says it does,\" she said. But less than a year later, Ozoma raised concerns about being underpaid for the level of work she was performing at the company.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I wasn’t being paid fairly, and according to the company’s own chart, while I was still the public face of the all of the work that was being used to prop the company up as a responsible tech company in a sea of irresponsible ones,\" Ozoma said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent weeks, companies across America have gone all out declaring their corporate allyship with Black Lives Matter. Silicon Valley companies have done the same, but that's generated public backlash from current and former Black employees. None became more viral than Ozoma's tweet thread earlier this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/IfeomaOzoma/status/1272546213322080258?s=20\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Ozoma was still working for Pinterest, she said she led a number of initiatives she felt really good about, like taking down \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.pinterest.com/en/post/bringing-authoritative-vaccine-results-to-pinterest-search\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">misinformation about vaccines\u003c/a> on Pinterest. She also got the platform to end its practices promoting \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/style/plantation-weddings-pinterest-knot-zola.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">slave plantations as wedding venues\u003c/a> — although she took heat in her performance review later and was told it was because she hadn’t made the case for not ending the practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I should have come up with the pros for promoting slave plantations. Like, to this day, I think about that, and the fact that it was put in writing — in a performance review that then impacted my pay,\" Ozoma said. \"Even though externally, the company really took advantage of the press that came with that decision.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After going in circles with her manager, his manager and HR for five months, Ozoma finally hired a lawyer. The office atmosphere was already charged when a white male engineer at the company decided to share her personal information with an online group known for “doxxing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My cell phone number, my full name, my photo, my email was shared all over the Internet,\" Ozoma said. \"It was on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, the 'chans,' so 4chan and 8chan.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ozoma said the engineer was fired a week later but, by then, she was traumatized — and so was another Black colleague on her team she’d brought in to Pinterest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11824893\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1600px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11824893\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0.jpg\" alt=\"On June 2, 2020, Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann publicly pledged to take a host of steps to prove the company's pronouncement that "Black Lives Matter."\" width=\"1600\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0.jpg 1600w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0-160x80.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0-800x400.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0-1020x510.jpg 1020w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">On June 2, 2020, Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.pinterest.com/en/post/listening-and-acting\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">publicly pledged\u003c/a> to take a host of steps to prove the company's pronouncement that \"Black Lives Matter.\" \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Pinterest)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Our Black lives were treated like they didn’t matter,\" said Aerica Shimizu Banks, who left Google for Pinterest to head its office in Washington D.C. Banks said she hired Ozoma’s lawyer after her own struggles with their manager and HR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Interacting with members of Congress; traveling around the country speaking on panels and events; representing the company — and yet the only expenses that I accrued that were challenged, continuously, were expenses dedicated to Black organizations and Black businesses I had partnered with,\" Banks said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She’s also since left the company, and like Ozoma, also tweeted her displeasure with Pinterest engaging in “performative allyship.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/erikashimizu/status/1272547227177713664?s=20\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Asked for comment, Pinterest offered a statement: “We took these issues seriously and conducted a thorough investigation when they were raised, and we’re confident both employees were treated fairly.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thirteen percent of the U.S. population is Black. But according to the company’s annual \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.pinterest.com/en/post/diversity-report-2020\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">diversity report\u003c/a>, Black people made up roughly 4 percent of its total workforce last year. That puts Pinterest in line with many other tech companies that report their numbers (some, like \u003ca href=\"https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/11/21288491/snap-ceo-spiegel-diversity-report-numbers-release-publicly\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Snap\u003c/a>, don't) in an industry long dominated by white and Asian males.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consider the most recent publicly available company data from these locally headquartered companies: 9 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://www.apple.com/diversity/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple\u003c/a>, 3.8 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://diversity.fb.com/read-report/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Facebook\u003c/a>, 5.5 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://kstatic.googleusercontent.com/files/25badfc6b6d1b33f3b87372ff7545d79261520d821e6ee9a82c4ab2de42a01216be2156bc5a60ae3337ffe7176d90b8b2b3000891ac6e516a650ecebf0e3f866\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Google\u003c/a>, 3.7 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://www.oracle.com/corporate/careers/culture/diversity.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Oracle\u003c/a>, 4.4 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://slackhq.com/diversity-at-slack-2020\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Slack\u003c/a>, 5.7 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/inclusion-and-diversity-report-december-2019.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Twitter\u003c/a>. Isolate diversity numbers for the engineering or tech departments alone, or leadership, and the numbers are invariably even smaller.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11824924\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1294px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11824924\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM.png\" alt=\"The most recent diversity report for Oracle, the largest tech employer in San Mateo County, reflects industry trends.\" width=\"1294\" height=\"858\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM.png 1294w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM-160x106.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM-800x530.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM-1020x676.png 1020w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1294px) 100vw, 1294px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The most recent diversity report for Oracle, the largest tech employer in San Mateo County, reflects industry trends. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Oracle)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>So should Silicon Valley companies even be issuing statements of support for racial justice? Yes, says Sarah Kunst, managing director of \u003ca href=\"https://www.cleocap.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Cleo Capital\u003c/a>, an early stage venture capital firm in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You know, it would be very awkward in this context if you were telling me my life didn’t matter. I think that is a bare minimum. It is far from all anyone should be doing,\" said Kunst (who was recently on KQED’s board for a year).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Google, Facebook and other companies have blamed their lack of Black employees on the “pipeline” problem — arguing there aren’t enough qualified people to hire, especially in their technical departments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Sarah Kunst, Cleo Capital\"]'It would be very awkward in this context if you were telling me my life didn’t matter. I think that is a bare minimum. It is far from all anyone should be doing.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But many Silicon Valley watchers disagree it's primarily a pipeline problem. Kunst, for instance, argued she's observed a number of hiring managers fixated on a short list of Ivy League universities, unable to broaden their definition of \"qualified.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She added it's important to get rid of individuals who make the corporate culture toxic for Black employees and drive them away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This feels like a really good time to really dig deep and do an overhaul so that you create a culture that everyone loves and everyone is welcome in,\" Kunst said, noting many Silicon Valley executives are already rethinking their corporate culture during the coronavirus pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A few years ago, companies, people, couldn't even say the word 'race.' Like, not a particular race, just the word 'race,'\" said Y-Vonne Hutchinson of \u003ca href=\"https://www.thereadyset.co\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ReadySet\u003c/a>, a diversity, equity and inclusion consulting firm that works with a number of Silicon Valley companies. \"The fact that the conversation has shifted so far in such a short period of time is encouraging. At the same time, it takes more than statements. What is it really like inside of your organization? Can Black people succeed?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='medium' align='left' citation=\"Y-Vonne Hutchinson, ReadySet\"]'The fact that the conversation has shifted so far in such a short period of time is encouraging. At the same time, it takes more than statements. What is it really like inside of your organization? Can Black people succeed?'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hutchinson added, \"Because for a lot of these companies, we do see investments in recruiting. We do see some people coming through the door. Those people don't advance. Those people leave, and a lot of times that's because they're experiencing microaggressions. They're experiencing racism at work, and there's no accountability for it.\".\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Karla Monterroso, CEO of the diversity-focused nonprofit \u003ca href=\"http://www.code2040.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Code 2040\u003c/a>, said companies need to focus less on job fairs and turn instead to the internal work needed to become welcoming places for more Black and Latinx employees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"For the longest time, we have focused on the wrong things,\" said Monterroso. \"You will not get the full benefit of their thoughts and innovation because it's more dangerous for them to swim against the current. Advocacy for people of color, especially Black people, will look like insubordination to many people. Until we examine that, it's going to have a disproportionate impact on our workplace.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Pinterest announced solidarity with Black Lives Matter. But two Black women. who are former employees, say the company's move is nothing but \"performative allyship.\"","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1592877510,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":29,"wordCount":1336},"headData":{"title":"Silicon Valley's Black Employees Question Corporate Claims That Black Lives Matter | KQED","description":"Pinterest announced solidarity with Black Lives Matter. But two Black women. who are former employees, say the company's move is nothing but "performative allyship."","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11824857 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11824857","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2020/06/18/silicon-valleys-black-employees-question-corporate-claims-that-black-lives-matter/","disqusTitle":"Silicon Valley's Black Employees Question Corporate Claims That Black Lives Matter","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/RDnews/2020/06/MyrowPinterest.mp3","path":"/news/11824857/silicon-valleys-black-employees-question-corporate-claims-that-black-lives-matter","audioDuration":239000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Many people consider San Francisco-based Pinterest one of the friendlier social media platforms. That, at least, is what initially drew former public policy and social impact manager Ifeoma Ozoma to Pinterest in July of 2018 from her previous job at Facebook\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I thought this is a company that believes in diversity, or at least says it does,\" she said. But less than a year later, Ozoma raised concerns about being underpaid for the level of work she was performing at the company.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I wasn’t being paid fairly, and according to the company’s own chart, while I was still the public face of the all of the work that was being used to prop the company up as a responsible tech company in a sea of irresponsible ones,\" Ozoma said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent weeks, companies across America have gone all out declaring their corporate allyship with Black Lives Matter. Silicon Valley companies have done the same, but that's generated public backlash from current and former Black employees. None became more viral than Ozoma's tweet thread earlier this week.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1272546213322080258"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>When Ozoma was still working for Pinterest, she said she led a number of initiatives she felt really good about, like taking down \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.pinterest.com/en/post/bringing-authoritative-vaccine-results-to-pinterest-search\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">misinformation about vaccines\u003c/a> on Pinterest. She also got the platform to end its practices promoting \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/style/plantation-weddings-pinterest-knot-zola.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">slave plantations as wedding venues\u003c/a> — although she took heat in her performance review later and was told it was because she hadn’t made the case for not ending the practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I should have come up with the pros for promoting slave plantations. Like, to this day, I think about that, and the fact that it was put in writing — in a performance review that then impacted my pay,\" Ozoma said. \"Even though externally, the company really took advantage of the press that came with that decision.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After going in circles with her manager, his manager and HR for five months, Ozoma finally hired a lawyer. The office atmosphere was already charged when a white male engineer at the company decided to share her personal information with an online group known for “doxxing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My cell phone number, my full name, my photo, my email was shared all over the Internet,\" Ozoma said. \"It was on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, the 'chans,' so 4chan and 8chan.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ozoma said the engineer was fired a week later but, by then, she was traumatized — and so was another Black colleague on her team she’d brought in to Pinterest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11824893\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1600px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11824893\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0.jpg\" alt=\"On June 2, 2020, Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann publicly pledged to take a host of steps to prove the company's pronouncement that "Black Lives Matter."\" width=\"1600\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0.jpg 1600w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0-160x80.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0-800x400.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/NewsroomPost-Header-200602_0-1020x510.jpg 1020w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">On June 2, 2020, Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.pinterest.com/en/post/listening-and-acting\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">publicly pledged\u003c/a> to take a host of steps to prove the company's pronouncement that \"Black Lives Matter.\" \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Pinterest)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Our Black lives were treated like they didn’t matter,\" said Aerica Shimizu Banks, who left Google for Pinterest to head its office in Washington D.C. Banks said she hired Ozoma’s lawyer after her own struggles with their manager and HR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Interacting with members of Congress; traveling around the country speaking on panels and events; representing the company — and yet the only expenses that I accrued that were challenged, continuously, were expenses dedicated to Black organizations and Black businesses I had partnered with,\" Banks said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She’s also since left the company, and like Ozoma, also tweeted her displeasure with Pinterest engaging in “performative allyship.”\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1272547227177713664"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Asked for comment, Pinterest offered a statement: “We took these issues seriously and conducted a thorough investigation when they were raised, and we’re confident both employees were treated fairly.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thirteen percent of the U.S. population is Black. But according to the company’s annual \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.pinterest.com/en/post/diversity-report-2020\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">diversity report\u003c/a>, Black people made up roughly 4 percent of its total workforce last year. That puts Pinterest in line with many other tech companies that report their numbers (some, like \u003ca href=\"https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/11/21288491/snap-ceo-spiegel-diversity-report-numbers-release-publicly\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Snap\u003c/a>, don't) in an industry long dominated by white and Asian males.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consider the most recent publicly available company data from these locally headquartered companies: 9 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://www.apple.com/diversity/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple\u003c/a>, 3.8 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://diversity.fb.com/read-report/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Facebook\u003c/a>, 5.5 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://kstatic.googleusercontent.com/files/25badfc6b6d1b33f3b87372ff7545d79261520d821e6ee9a82c4ab2de42a01216be2156bc5a60ae3337ffe7176d90b8b2b3000891ac6e516a650ecebf0e3f866\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Google\u003c/a>, 3.7 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://www.oracle.com/corporate/careers/culture/diversity.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Oracle\u003c/a>, 4.4 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://slackhq.com/diversity-at-slack-2020\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Slack\u003c/a>, 5.7 percent at \u003ca href=\"https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/inclusion-and-diversity-report-december-2019.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Twitter\u003c/a>. Isolate diversity numbers for the engineering or tech departments alone, or leadership, and the numbers are invariably even smaller.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11824924\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1294px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11824924\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM.png\" alt=\"The most recent diversity report for Oracle, the largest tech employer in San Mateo County, reflects industry trends.\" width=\"1294\" height=\"858\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM.png 1294w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM-160x106.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM-800x530.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-17-at-3.18.58-PM-1020x676.png 1020w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1294px) 100vw, 1294px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The most recent diversity report for Oracle, the largest tech employer in San Mateo County, reflects industry trends. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Oracle)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>So should Silicon Valley companies even be issuing statements of support for racial justice? Yes, says Sarah Kunst, managing director of \u003ca href=\"https://www.cleocap.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Cleo Capital\u003c/a>, an early stage venture capital firm in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You know, it would be very awkward in this context if you were telling me my life didn’t matter. I think that is a bare minimum. It is far from all anyone should be doing,\" said Kunst (who was recently on KQED’s board for a year).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Google, Facebook and other companies have blamed their lack of Black employees on the “pipeline” problem — arguing there aren’t enough qualified people to hire, especially in their technical departments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'It would be very awkward in this context if you were telling me my life didn’t matter. I think that is a bare minimum. It is far from all anyone should be doing.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Sarah Kunst, Cleo Capital","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But many Silicon Valley watchers disagree it's primarily a pipeline problem. Kunst, for instance, argued she's observed a number of hiring managers fixated on a short list of Ivy League universities, unable to broaden their definition of \"qualified.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She added it's important to get rid of individuals who make the corporate culture toxic for Black employees and drive them away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This feels like a really good time to really dig deep and do an overhaul so that you create a culture that everyone loves and everyone is welcome in,\" Kunst said, noting many Silicon Valley executives are already rethinking their corporate culture during the coronavirus pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A few years ago, companies, people, couldn't even say the word 'race.' Like, not a particular race, just the word 'race,'\" said Y-Vonne Hutchinson of \u003ca href=\"https://www.thereadyset.co\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ReadySet\u003c/a>, a diversity, equity and inclusion consulting firm that works with a number of Silicon Valley companies. \"The fact that the conversation has shifted so far in such a short period of time is encouraging. At the same time, it takes more than statements. What is it really like inside of your organization? Can Black people succeed?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The fact that the conversation has shifted so far in such a short period of time is encouraging. At the same time, it takes more than statements. What is it really like inside of your organization? Can Black people succeed?'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"left","citation":"Y-Vonne Hutchinson, ReadySet","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hutchinson added, \"Because for a lot of these companies, we do see investments in recruiting. We do see some people coming through the door. Those people don't advance. Those people leave, and a lot of times that's because they're experiencing microaggressions. They're experiencing racism at work, and there's no accountability for it.\".\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Karla Monterroso, CEO of the diversity-focused nonprofit \u003ca href=\"http://www.code2040.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Code 2040\u003c/a>, said companies need to focus less on job fairs and turn instead to the internal work needed to become welcoming places for more Black and Latinx employees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"For the longest time, we have focused on the wrong things,\" said Monterroso. \"You will not get the full benefit of their thoughts and innovation because it's more dangerous for them to swim against the current. Advocacy for people of color, especially Black people, will look like insubordination to many people. Until we examine that, it's going to have a disproportionate impact on our workplace.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11824857/silicon-valleys-black-employees-question-corporate-claims-that-black-lives-matter","authors":["251"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_1758","news_8","news_248"],"tags":["news_19971","news_17687","news_28129","news_249","news_93","news_2706","news_20219","news_2011","news_28133","news_19216","news_353","news_346"],"featImg":"news_11824998","label":"news_72"},"news_141348":{"type":"posts","id":"news_141348","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"141348","score":null,"sort":[1404918042000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"proposal-for-new-pinterest-hq-derailed","title":"Proposal for New Pinterest HQ Derailed","publishDate":1404918042,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Priced Out | News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_140021\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/06/ShowplaceSquareBldgCrop.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-140021\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/06/ShowplaceSquareBldgCrop.jpg\" alt=\"The building at 2 Henry Adams St. in San Francisco's Showplace Square district. (Google Street View)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The building at 2 Henry Adams St. in San Francisco's Showplace Square district. (Google Street View)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Tenants of a South of Market building that Pinterest has been eyeing for its headquarters say they're relieved the proposal has been derailed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Monday evening, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors Land Use and Economic Development Committee tabled \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfbos.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/bdsupvrs/committees/materials/LU061614_140307.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">an ordinance that would have designated 2 Henry Adams St.\u003c/a> as a historic landmark. That designation would have allowed owners to convert the building, now occupied by dozens of interior design industry tenants, to office space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The building, part of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfdesigncenter.com/\" target=\"_blank\">San Francisco Design Center\u003c/a> and located in the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sf-planning.org/ftp/general_plan/Showplace_Square_Potrero.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Showplace Square district\u003c/a>, is currently zoned \u003ca href=\"http://www.sf-planning.org/index.aspx?page=1677#3\" target=\"_blank\">PDR, for production, distribution and repair establishments\u003c/a>. The zoning means it can’t be converted into office space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Now that we know this is a safely protected PDR building we can move on to getting back to our businesses again,\" said Jim Gallagher, general manager at Garden Court Antiques, which faced relocation if Pinterest moved in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ordinance to designate 2 Henry Adams as a landmark was tabled after Supervisor Malia Cohen, its sponsor, said she opposed the displacement of long-term tenants and small businesses. She said she was also concerned the ordinance could touch off a wave of landmark applications around Showplace Square.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The building owner had already signed a deal with Pinterest to move into the four-story building, and property managers have begun efforts to persuade the building's 77 tenants to relocate to nearby space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Pinterest-s-Design-District-deal-would-push-out-5566906.php\" target=\"_blank\"> As the San Francisco Chronicle's J.K. Dineen reported\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>While ... Cohen said the Design Center building deserves landmark designation, she was uncomfortable with the property owner's plans to move many longtime design businesses out. As the sponsor of the property's landmark legislation, Cohen is the only supervisor who can revive it. She said she has no intention of doing so. ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>... She said the legislation allowing landmarked property to convert to office space is meant as an economic incentive for property owners to do expensive seismic retrofits and renovation. But 2 Henry Adams has been \"impeccably maintained through the downturn.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This isn't in the spirit of the code or the landmark legislation,\" she said. \"We are not talking about one building, but 15.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\"Yesterday was about standing up for the little guy and gal,\" Supervisor Malia Cohen said Tuesday. She added: \"Although this is one isolated incident, the overall policy is what we need to began to address. It is important to the entire face of San Francisco.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These PDR spaces support a large community of both blue- and white-collar workers, Cohen said. Fabricators, upholsterers and cabinet designers that make up the design community depend on spaces like those at 2 Henry Adams.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It wasn't just tenants. Part of the issue around the design center is that we are a community that is very interdependent,\" said Jim Gallagher of Garden Court Antiques. \"We are a part of the network.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay West Development, the firm that manages the property, told the Chronicle it would continue to work on plans for the building:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>After the vote, a spokesman for Bay West said the group was \"disappointed the item was tabled\" but that it would continue to seek a compromise. \"We agree with them that what the Design District has always been about is finding a good mix of uses,\" said spokesman Charlie Goodyear.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Supervisors back away from plan that would have allowed Design Center building to convert to offices.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1404927966,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":570},"headData":{"title":"Proposal for New Pinterest HQ Derailed | KQED","description":"Supervisors back away from plan that would have allowed Design Center building to convert to offices.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"141348 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=141348","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2014/07/09/proposal-for-new-pinterest-hq-derailed/","disqusTitle":"Proposal for New Pinterest HQ Derailed","customPermalink":"2014/07/08/san-francisco-tables-landmark-proposal-pinterest/","path":"/news/141348/proposal-for-new-pinterest-hq-derailed","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_140021\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/06/ShowplaceSquareBldgCrop.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-140021\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/06/ShowplaceSquareBldgCrop.jpg\" alt=\"The building at 2 Henry Adams St. in San Francisco's Showplace Square district. (Google Street View)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The building at 2 Henry Adams St. in San Francisco's Showplace Square district. (Google Street View)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Tenants of a South of Market building that Pinterest has been eyeing for its headquarters say they're relieved the proposal has been derailed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Monday evening, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors Land Use and Economic Development Committee tabled \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfbos.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/bdsupvrs/committees/materials/LU061614_140307.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">an ordinance that would have designated 2 Henry Adams St.\u003c/a> as a historic landmark. That designation would have allowed owners to convert the building, now occupied by dozens of interior design industry tenants, to office space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The building, part of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfdesigncenter.com/\" target=\"_blank\">San Francisco Design Center\u003c/a> and located in the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sf-planning.org/ftp/general_plan/Showplace_Square_Potrero.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Showplace Square district\u003c/a>, is currently zoned \u003ca href=\"http://www.sf-planning.org/index.aspx?page=1677#3\" target=\"_blank\">PDR, for production, distribution and repair establishments\u003c/a>. The zoning means it can’t be converted into office space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Now that we know this is a safely protected PDR building we can move on to getting back to our businesses again,\" said Jim Gallagher, general manager at Garden Court Antiques, which faced relocation if Pinterest moved in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ordinance to designate 2 Henry Adams as a landmark was tabled after Supervisor Malia Cohen, its sponsor, said she opposed the displacement of long-term tenants and small businesses. She said she was also concerned the ordinance could touch off a wave of landmark applications around Showplace Square.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The building owner had already signed a deal with Pinterest to move into the four-story building, and property managers have begun efforts to persuade the building's 77 tenants to relocate to nearby space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Pinterest-s-Design-District-deal-would-push-out-5566906.php\" target=\"_blank\"> As the San Francisco Chronicle's J.K. Dineen reported\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>While ... Cohen said the Design Center building deserves landmark designation, she was uncomfortable with the property owner's plans to move many longtime design businesses out. As the sponsor of the property's landmark legislation, Cohen is the only supervisor who can revive it. She said she has no intention of doing so. ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>... She said the legislation allowing landmarked property to convert to office space is meant as an economic incentive for property owners to do expensive seismic retrofits and renovation. But 2 Henry Adams has been \"impeccably maintained through the downturn.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This isn't in the spirit of the code or the landmark legislation,\" she said. \"We are not talking about one building, but 15.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\"Yesterday was about standing up for the little guy and gal,\" Supervisor Malia Cohen said Tuesday. She added: \"Although this is one isolated incident, the overall policy is what we need to began to address. It is important to the entire face of San Francisco.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These PDR spaces support a large community of both blue- and white-collar workers, Cohen said. Fabricators, upholsterers and cabinet designers that make up the design community depend on spaces like those at 2 Henry Adams.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It wasn't just tenants. Part of the issue around the design center is that we are a community that is very interdependent,\" said Jim Gallagher of Garden Court Antiques. \"We are a part of the network.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay West Development, the firm that manages the property, told the Chronicle it would continue to work on plans for the building:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>After the vote, a spokesman for Bay West said the group was \"disappointed the item was tabled\" but that it would continue to seek a compromise. \"We agree with them that what the Design District has always been about is finding a good mix of uses,\" said spokesman Charlie Goodyear.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/141348/proposal-for-new-pinterest-hq-derailed","authors":["261"],"programs":["news_6944"],"series":["news_18549"],"categories":["news_1758","news_13"],"tags":["news_2819","news_6591","news_2706"],"featImg":"news_140021","label":"news_6944"},"news_139909":{"type":"posts","id":"news_139909","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"139909","score":null,"sort":[1403307807000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"pinterest-move-threatens-long-time-san-francisco-tenants-with-eviction","title":"Pinterest Move Threatens Long-Time San Francisco Tenants With Eviction","publishDate":1403307807,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Priced Out | News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_140021\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/06/2979_transform.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-140021 size-full\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/06/ShowplaceSquareBldgCrop.jpg\" alt=\"The building at 2 Henry Adams St. in San Francisco's Showplace Square district. (Google Street View)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The building at 2 Henry Adams St. in San Francisco's Showplace Square district. (Google Street View)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Dozens of design and production businesses in San Francisco's Showplace Square District likely face eviction as Pinterest plans to take over the building at 2 Henry Adams St.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The building is currently zoned for PDR--production, distribution, and repair--and can't be used for office space, like Pinterest plans to build. But a loophole in zoning regulations allows building owners to convert PDR-zoned buildings to office spaces if they are designated as historic landmarks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The property manager filed the paperwork to start that process last year. The San Francisco Historic Preservation Commission unanimously approved the historic designation on the almost 100-year-old building and now it just needs the official stamp from the Board of Supervisors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If 2 Henry Adams St., which was built in 1915 during the post-earthquake reconstruction, is designated as an historic landmark and Pinterest moves in, all tenants but a few on the first floor face eviction. Some of the tenants have been there for several decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"At the moment we don't know exactly what is happening. That is part of the problem,\" says Jim Gallagher, General Manager at Garden Court Antiques, which is currently on the first floor of 2 Henry Adams St. \"Everyone has been sort of paralyzed and we realized that we need to speak up.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rumors Proved True\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rumors began circulating months ago and several companies started to get worried as the property owner stopped renewing leases.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Country Floor, which has been on the first floor for 21 years, tried to renew their long-term lease several months ago, but were told (without being given a reason) that they could only sign a month-to-month lease, says Jeanne Reynolds, showroom manager at Country Floors. They were also told they couldn't remodel after hiring an expensive architect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They weren't telling us the truth about anything. They were telling different people different things. Not all tenants got notices about meetings.\" Reynolds says. \"We never even knew about the hearings. We felt threatened.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The property owner, who is pursuing the lease with Pinterest, plans to attempt to relocate some of the tenants with longer leases, like Garden Court Antiques, to spaces in the Galleria building across the street at 101 Henry Adams St. But that building is currently 80 percent leased, leaving little room for new tenants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While relocation and eviction details are still murky, it is clear that many of the current tenants don't want to leave their space or their community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I know for a fact, because I am in the location I am in, I work with the top designers. My clients are the top designers,\" says Reynolds. \"I would lose all my top clients.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Garden Court Antiques has been on the ground floor, surrounded by big windows for years. Gallagher fears that moving the business will result in less foot traffic and business overflow from other business in the building.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are a community of folks and part of how we have survived is because of what we draw in for one another,\" Gallagher says. \"If we are all spread out, we don't have critical mass.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gallagher adds that one of the important things to keep in mind are the blue-collar workers who rely on the businesses in 2 Henry Adams St.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, Supervisor Malia Cohen is preparing legislation that could change the historic landmark designation loophole, mandating that even historic buildings can't fully convert to office space. Her office says that fourteen other buildings in the area are vulnerable because of that loophole.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I am not comfortable with what the building is being proposed to be used for,\" Cohen told KQED's Cyrus Musiker. \"I believe that the design center is one of the most unique and important aspects that we have inside San Francisco and I want to acknowledge that office space is being built all over the city right now and i don't see why we need to convert precious PDR spaces into offices.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Board of Supervisors heard a review on the historic designation of 2 Henry Adams St. last Monday and will continue reviewing for the next three weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I do believe that [the building] is of landmark quality,\" Cohen says. \"I just don't feel comfortable moving forward until all the tenants have their questions answered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"margin: 12px auto 6px auto;font-family: Helvetica,Arial,Sans-serif;font-style: normal;font-variant: normal;font-weight: normal;font-size: 14px;line-height: normal\">\u003ca style=\"text-decoration: underline\" title=\"View Landmark Recommendation Resolution on Scribd\" href=\"http://www.scribd.com/doc/230640618/Landmark-Recommendation-Resolution\">Landmark Recommendation Resolution\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe id=\"doc_2112\" class=\"scribd_iframe_embed\" src=\"//www.scribd.com/embeds/230640618/content?start_page=1&view_mode=scroll&show_recommendations=true\" width=\"100%\" height=\"600\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In city's Showplace Square District, a large number of design and production businesses may lose out.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1403561080,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":22,"wordCount":747},"headData":{"title":"Pinterest Move Threatens Long-Time San Francisco Tenants With Eviction | KQED","description":"In city's Showplace Square District, a large number of design and production businesses may lose out.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"139909 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=139909","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2014/06/20/pinterest-move-threatens-long-time-san-francisco-tenants-with-eviction/","disqusTitle":"Pinterest Move Threatens Long-Time San Francisco Tenants With Eviction","customPermalink":"2014/06/20/-pinterest-eviction-design-businesses-at-showplace-square/","path":"/news/139909/pinterest-move-threatens-long-time-san-francisco-tenants-with-eviction","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_140021\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/06/2979_transform.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-140021 size-full\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/06/ShowplaceSquareBldgCrop.jpg\" alt=\"The building at 2 Henry Adams St. in San Francisco's Showplace Square district. 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The San Francisco Historic Preservation Commission unanimously approved the historic designation on the almost 100-year-old building and now it just needs the official stamp from the Board of Supervisors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If 2 Henry Adams St., which was built in 1915 during the post-earthquake reconstruction, is designated as an historic landmark and Pinterest moves in, all tenants but a few on the first floor face eviction. Some of the tenants have been there for several decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"At the moment we don't know exactly what is happening. That is part of the problem,\" says Jim Gallagher, General Manager at Garden Court Antiques, which is currently on the first floor of 2 Henry Adams St. \"Everyone has been sort of paralyzed and we realized that we need to speak up.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rumors Proved True\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rumors began circulating months ago and several companies started to get worried as the property owner stopped renewing leases.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Country Floor, which has been on the first floor for 21 years, tried to renew their long-term lease several months ago, but were told (without being given a reason) that they could only sign a month-to-month lease, says Jeanne Reynolds, showroom manager at Country Floors. They were also told they couldn't remodel after hiring an expensive architect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They weren't telling us the truth about anything. They were telling different people different things. Not all tenants got notices about meetings.\" Reynolds says. \"We never even knew about the hearings. We felt threatened.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The property owner, who is pursuing the lease with Pinterest, plans to attempt to relocate some of the tenants with longer leases, like Garden Court Antiques, to spaces in the Galleria building across the street at 101 Henry Adams St. But that building is currently 80 percent leased, leaving little room for new tenants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While relocation and eviction details are still murky, it is clear that many of the current tenants don't want to leave their space or their community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I know for a fact, because I am in the location I am in, I work with the top designers. My clients are the top designers,\" says Reynolds. \"I would lose all my top clients.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Garden Court Antiques has been on the ground floor, surrounded by big windows for years. Gallagher fears that moving the business will result in less foot traffic and business overflow from other business in the building.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are a community of folks and part of how we have survived is because of what we draw in for one another,\" Gallagher says. \"If we are all spread out, we don't have critical mass.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gallagher adds that one of the important things to keep in mind are the blue-collar workers who rely on the businesses in 2 Henry Adams St.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, Supervisor Malia Cohen is preparing legislation that could change the historic landmark designation loophole, mandating that even historic buildings can't fully convert to office space. Her office says that fourteen other buildings in the area are vulnerable because of that loophole.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I am not comfortable with what the building is being proposed to be used for,\" Cohen told KQED's Cyrus Musiker. \"I believe that the design center is one of the most unique and important aspects that we have inside San Francisco and I want to acknowledge that office space is being built all over the city right now and i don't see why we need to convert precious PDR spaces into offices.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Board of Supervisors heard a review on the historic designation of 2 Henry Adams St. last Monday and will continue reviewing for the next three weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I do believe that [the building] is of landmark quality,\" Cohen says. \"I just don't feel comfortable moving forward until all the tenants have their questions answered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"margin: 12px auto 6px auto;font-family: Helvetica,Arial,Sans-serif;font-style: normal;font-variant: normal;font-weight: normal;font-size: 14px;line-height: normal\">\u003ca style=\"text-decoration: underline\" title=\"View Landmark Recommendation Resolution on Scribd\" href=\"http://www.scribd.com/doc/230640618/Landmark-Recommendation-Resolution\">Landmark Recommendation Resolution\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe id=\"doc_2112\" class=\"scribd_iframe_embed\" src=\"//www.scribd.com/embeds/230640618/content?start_page=1&view_mode=scroll&show_recommendations=true\" width=\"100%\" height=\"600\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/139909/pinterest-move-threatens-long-time-san-francisco-tenants-with-eviction","authors":["261"],"programs":["news_6944"],"series":["news_18549"],"categories":["news_1758","news_6266","news_13","news_248"],"tags":["news_6511","news_6509","news_2706"],"featImg":"news_140021","label":"news_6944"},"news_69802":{"type":"posts","id":"news_69802","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"69802","score":null,"sort":[1341869692000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"pinterest-ed-lee-say-company-moving-to-san-francisco","title":"Our Social Media Dude Discusses Pinterest's Planned Move to San Francisco","publishDate":1341869692,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Pinterest is moving to San Francisco, say those who should know.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/07/pinterest.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-69809\" title=\"pinterest\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/07/pinterest.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"168\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Press release from Ed Lee's office this afternoon...\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Mayor Edwin M. Lee and Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann announced today that Pinterest, one of the fastest growing social media firms, will move from Palo Alto to San Francisco. Pinterest is currently finalizing plans for a long-term home in the SoMa neighborhood and has signed a short-term lease for space in the area to accommodate immediate growth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I am thrilled to welcome Pinterest to the ‘Innovation Capital of the World,’ and am pleased that our efforts to attract and retain the industry’s best and most innovative companies are working,” said Mayor Lee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re pleased to now call one of the world’s great cities home,” said Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann. “Thanks to Mayor Lee, his team and everyone who has helped make this move possible...”\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Mayor Lee also debuted his new \u003ca href=\"http://pinterest.com/mayoredlee\">Pinterest page\u003c/a>. Call me cynical, but I'm guessing he didn't post those all himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pinterest has \"around 50\" employees, company spokesperson Barry Schnitt said in an e-mail. (And that's all he'd say. The company isn't sharing additional details at this time.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Frankly, I have never used Pinterest and even more frankly, I only have the vaguest notion of what it is. So I asked our Social Media Dude, Ian Hill, to illuminate, because he knows a lot about companies I've never heard of doing things I don't understand in ways I don't necessarily approve of, but wudduya gonna do? \u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>JON BROOKS\u003c/strong>: So what is Pinterest?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>IAN HILL\u003c/strong>: PinterEst is essentially a social photo sharing application. It takes photo sharing to a new level by linking photos to web sites. What it's really developed into is an online catalogue. You can follow other users on Pinterest. They \"pin\" photos that reflect their interests. There's a lot of food and wedding stuff and products. And you can click through to the web site where that photo originally appeared and just see whatever the content is around that photo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>JON BROOKS\u003c/strong>: How popular is this? It seemed to become big rather quickly. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>IAN HILL\u003c/strong>: It went from probably something late last year that most people had never heard of to, in March, when it had 2.2 million daily users, 12 million monthly users. They're not Facebook numbers, but that's pretty impressive for something that had only been around for a few months. I think people were really hooked on the presentation, the ability go to just one web site and see a bunch of professional photos that your friends like. That drew a lot of women, in particular. As of march, 90% of Pinterest users were women. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>JON BROOKS\u003c/strong>: Does the company make any money? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>IAN HILL\u003c/strong>: I have not heard of a business plan for Pinterest just yet. Like any other social media organization, I imagine it's going to be built on one of two things: Either they're going to sell advertising, or they're looking to be purchased by a Facebook or a Google. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>JON BROOKS\u003c/strong>: What do you think about them coming to San Francisco? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>IAN HILL\u003c/strong>: It is interesting. If you think about the Big Six social networks, you're talking Facebook, Google Plus, Twitter, Pinterest, YouTube, Tumblr. Two of those are now in San Francisco as opposed to Silicon Valley. I don't think this will be a huge blow to the Silicon Valley scene, but Silicon Valley has its own community, and when you have big names that are willing to leave that community, it's notable. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>JON BROOKS\u003c/strong>: So you would consider Pinterest a big name in the social media space at this point? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>IAN HILL\u003c/strong> Oh yeah. I think the biggest benefit that people are seeing out of Pinterest is the brands that are going on there and selling clothes, in particular. Some of those companies have reported seeing some significant traffic and sales. People see for instance a dress they like on Pinterest and then buy it off The Gap or somewhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When you look a the Facbook and Google Plus model, where they're trying to be everything to everybody, Pinterest is different in that it's just photos that link to web sites, curated by the user. How long is that going to hold the public's interest, and can it? It's really grown in popularity really quickly, but it's anybody's guess as to whether it will still be around a year from now or whether it will be part of the Facebook empire. \u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1341878129,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":22,"wordCount":789},"headData":{"title":"Our Social Media Dude Discusses Pinterest's Planned Move to San Francisco | KQED","description":"Pinterest is moving to San Francisco, say those who should know. Press release from Ed Lee's office this afternoon... Mayor Edwin M. Lee and Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann announced today that Pinterest, one of the fastest growing social media firms, will move from Palo Alto to San Francisco. 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Lee and Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann announced today that Pinterest, one of the fastest growing social media firms, will move from Palo Alto to San Francisco. Pinterest is currently finalizing plans for a long-term home in the SoMa neighborhood and has signed a short-term lease for space in the area to accommodate immediate growth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I am thrilled to welcome Pinterest to the ‘Innovation Capital of the World,’ and am pleased that our efforts to attract and retain the industry’s best and most innovative companies are working,” said Mayor Lee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re pleased to now call one of the world’s great cities home,” said Pinterest CEO Ben Silbermann. “Thanks to Mayor Lee, his team and everyone who has helped make this move possible...”\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Mayor Lee also debuted his new \u003ca href=\"http://pinterest.com/mayoredlee\">Pinterest page\u003c/a>. Call me cynical, but I'm guessing he didn't post those all himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pinterest has \"around 50\" employees, company spokesperson Barry Schnitt said in an e-mail. (And that's all he'd say. The company isn't sharing additional details at this time.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Frankly, I have never used Pinterest and even more frankly, I only have the vaguest notion of what it is. So I asked our Social Media Dude, Ian Hill, to illuminate, because he knows a lot about companies I've never heard of doing things I don't understand in ways I don't necessarily approve of, but wudduya gonna do? \u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>JON BROOKS\u003c/strong>: So what is Pinterest?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>IAN HILL\u003c/strong>: PinterEst is essentially a social photo sharing application. It takes photo sharing to a new level by linking photos to web sites. What it's really developed into is an online catalogue. You can follow other users on Pinterest. They \"pin\" photos that reflect their interests. There's a lot of food and wedding stuff and products. And you can click through to the web site where that photo originally appeared and just see whatever the content is around that photo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>JON BROOKS\u003c/strong>: How popular is this? It seemed to become big rather quickly. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>IAN HILL\u003c/strong>: It went from probably something late last year that most people had never heard of to, in March, when it had 2.2 million daily users, 12 million monthly users. They're not Facebook numbers, but that's pretty impressive for something that had only been around for a few months. I think people were really hooked on the presentation, the ability go to just one web site and see a bunch of professional photos that your friends like. That drew a lot of women, in particular. As of march, 90% of Pinterest users were women. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>JON BROOKS\u003c/strong>: Does the company make any money? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>IAN HILL\u003c/strong>: I have not heard of a business plan for Pinterest just yet. 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