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converting to Islam as a teenager after seeing the film \"Malcolm X\" and going overseas to study Arabic and the Quran. In November 2000, he went to Pakistan and from there made his way to Afghanistan. He joined the Taliban — an extremist Islamic movement that ruled Afghanistan at the time — and was with them on Sept. 11, 2001, when al-Qaida terrorists attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. attacked Afghanistan after the country failed to turn over al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Lindh was captured in a battle with Northern Alliance fighters in late 2001. He was present when a group of Taliban prisoners launched an attack that killed Johnny Micheal \"Mike\" Spann, a CIA officer who had been interrogating Lindh and other Taliban prisoners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='small' align='right' citation='Frank Lindh told KQED Forum host Dave Iverson in 2011']'I don't feel that John committed the kind of crimes he was accused of, and that many of your listeners and even you continue to believe that John committed. He did not commit terrorism, he never fought against the United States of America.'[/pullquote]Television footage of a bearded, wounded Lindh captured among Taliban fighters created an international sensation, and he was brought to the U.S. to face charges of conspiring to kill Spann and providing support to terrorists. Eventually, he struck a plea bargain in which he admitted illegally providing support to the Taliban but denied a role in Spann's death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh received a 20-year prison sentence. He served roughly 17 years and five months, including two months when he was in military detention. Federal inmates who exhibit good behavior typically serve 85 percent of their sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His probation officer asked the court to impose additional restrictions on Lindh while he remains on supervised release for the next three years. Lindh initially opposed but eventually acquiesced to the restrictions, which include monitoring software on his internet devices; requiring that his online communications be conducted in English and that he undergo mental health counseling; and forbidding him from possessing or viewing extremist material, holding a passport of any kind or leaving the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Authorities never specified their rationale for seeking such restrictions. A hearing on the issue was canceled after Lindh agreed to them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Bureau of Prisons said Lindh rejected an interview request submitted by The Associated Press, and his lawyer declined to comment. KQED efforts to reach his father, Frank Lindh, were unsuccessful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A Marin County Teenager Who Wanted to Travel to the Middle East\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11749330\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11749330\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-800x2985.jpg\" alt=\"A 14-year-old John Walker Lindh appears in this file photo. \" width=\"800\" height=\"2985\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-800x2985.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-160x597.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-322x1200.jpg 322w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY.jpg 549w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A 14-year-old John Walker Lindh appears in this file photo. \u003ccite>(Lindh Family/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2007, Frank Lindh \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17668932\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">told NPR\u003c/a> that his son was a proxy for Osama bin Laden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The entire country turned on our son as if he were the terrorist, as if he had perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. It was this overwhelming and emotional response, and it was like being in a vortex. It was a real nightmare for all of us in John's family,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh was one of three children: He has an older brother and a younger sister. At 17, Lindh, who \u003ca href=\"https://www.marinij.com/2019/05/20/a-generation-after-9-11-american-taliban-john-walker-lindh-leaves-prison-this-week/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">graduated from Tamiscal High School in Larkspur\u003c/a>, told his parents he wanted to go to Yemen to study Arabic, NPR reported.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I did with John research as best I could,\" said his mom, Marilyn Lindh. \"I talked to people about the school he was looking into to attend. And I got encouragement that it was safe and the fact that many kids go abroad to study.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But they didn't know he would go on to Pakistan and Afghanistan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nevertheless, Lindh's parents were criticized for poor parenting from angry emailers and for their residence in affluent Marin County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"All three of our kids have grown up here. The schools are good. The neighborhoods are friendly. It's got a strong community sense. There are good family values in Marin. There are very wealthy enclaves in Marin, but most people who live here are just middle-income people,\" said Frank Lindh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nearly a decade into his imprisonment, in May 2011, Frank Lindh told \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/201105250931/frank-lindh\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">KQED Forum\u003c/a> that his son remained \"the same young man he always was.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He's a nice kid. He's spiritual. He does his prayers every day. He's highly intellectual. He studies constantly. He's got a really very positive attitude, a sparkling sense of humor,\" he added. \"He's a wonderful son.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Emigrate to Ireland?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's unclear where Lindh will go when he is released. The Bureau of Prisons said it doesn't comment on individual release plans, citing safety, security and privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Foreign Policy \u003ca href=\"https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/23/john-walker-lindh-detainee-001-in-the-global-war-on-terror-will-go-free-in-two-years-what-then/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">reported\u003c/a> in June 2017 that Lindh, who got Irish citizenship in 2013, had considered potentially moving to Ireland after he got out, citing a Bureau of Prisons intelligence summary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Irish government could deny him a passport on grounds that he poses a threat to national security, the publication reported. Lindh's release conditions also prohibit him from holding a passport of any kind or leaving the U.S. while he remains on supervised release for the next three years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Behavior in Prison That's Cause for Concern?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=news_201105250931,news_201105261000]There have been reports that Lindh's behavior in prison has created cause for concern. Foreign Policy magazine reported in 2017 that an investigation by the National Counterterrorism Center found that Lindh \"continued to advocate for global jihad and to write and translate violent extremist texts.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A former inmate who knew Lindh from the time they spent at the same federal prison said he never heard Lindh espouse support for al-Qaida or indicate a risk for violence, but he found Lindh to be anti-social and awkward around others, with an unyielding, black-and-white view of religion. The inmate spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he wanted to avoid further stigmatization from his time in Lindh's prison unit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Michael Jensen, a terrorism researcher at the University of Maryland's National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, said it's clear the government has concerns about Lindh's mindset.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"For three years he's going to be watched like a hawk,\" Jensen said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='small' align='right' citation='Michael Jensen, terrorism researcher at University of Maryland']'For three years he's going to be watched like a hawk.'[/pullquote]He said Lindh represents an interesting test case, as he is on the leading edge of dozens of inmates who were convicted on terror-related offenses in the aftermath of Sept. 11 and are eligible for release in the next five years. He said there's little research to indicate the efficacy of de-radicalizing inmates with connections to radical Islam, but he said the research shows that recidivism rates for those connected to white supremacy and other forms of extremism are high.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh has been housed in Terre Haute, Indiana, with other Muslim inmates convicted on terror-related charges. The rationale was to keep those inmates from radicalizing others in the general prison population, Jensen said. Those inside the unit were supposed to be limited in their ability to communicate with each other.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"But the reality is these guys still talk to each other,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh, for his part, admitted his role and his wrongdoing in supporting the Taliban, but he and his family have bristled at any notion that he should be considered a terrorist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I don't feel that John committed the kind of crimes he was accused of, and that many of your listeners and even you continue to believe that John committed. He did not commit terrorism, he never fought against the United States of America,\" Frank Lindh told KQED Forum host Dave Iverson in May 2011. \"And I can't express contrition for things that my son didn't do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he was sentenced, Lindh said he never would have joined the Taliban if he fully understood what they were about. He also issued a short essay condemning acts of violence in the name of Islam that kill or harm innocent civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some have criticized Lindh's pending release. In March, the legislature in Alabama, where Spann grew up, adopted a resolution calling it \"an insult\" to Spann's \"heroic legacy and his remaining family members.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>NPR and KQED's Miranda Leitsinger, Scott Shafer and Tara Siler contributed to this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Lindh, who has an older brother and a younger sister, graduated from Tamiscal High School in Larkspur, and at age 17 told his parents he wanted to go to Yemen to study Arabic.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1558726110,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":39,"wordCount":1493},"headData":{"title":"Marin's John Walker Lindh, 'American Taliban' Captured in 2001, Freed From Prison | KQED","description":"Lindh, who has an older brother and a younger sister, graduated from Tamiscal High School in Larkspur, and at age 17 told his parents he wanted to go to Yemen to study Arabic.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Marin's John Walker Lindh, 'American Taliban' Captured in 2001, Freed From Prison","datePublished":"2019-05-23T00:18:30.000Z","dateModified":"2019-05-24T19:28:30.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11749134 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11749134","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2019/05/22/american-taliban-lindh-of-marin-county-set-for-release-nearly-2-decades-after-9-11/","disqusTitle":"Marin's John Walker Lindh, 'American Taliban' Captured in 2001, Freed From Prison","nprByline":"\u003cstrong>Associated Press\u003c/strong>","path":"/news/11749134/american-taliban-lindh-of-marin-county-set-for-release-nearly-2-decades-after-9-11","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 9 a.m. Thursday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Walker Lindh, the Marin County man who became known as the \"American Taliban\" after he was captured by U.S. forces in the invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, was released on Thursday after nearly two decades in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But conditions imposed recently on Lindh's release make clear that authorities remain concerned about the threat he could pose once free.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh, now 38, was raised as Catholic, converting to Islam as a teenager after seeing the film \"Malcolm X\" and going overseas to study Arabic and the Quran. In November 2000, he went to Pakistan and from there made his way to Afghanistan. He joined the Taliban — an extremist Islamic movement that ruled Afghanistan at the time — and was with them on Sept. 11, 2001, when al-Qaida terrorists attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. attacked Afghanistan after the country failed to turn over al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Lindh was captured in a battle with Northern Alliance fighters in late 2001. He was present when a group of Taliban prisoners launched an attack that killed Johnny Micheal \"Mike\" Spann, a CIA officer who had been interrogating Lindh and other Taliban prisoners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I don't feel that John committed the kind of crimes he was accused of, and that many of your listeners and even you continue to believe that John committed. He did not commit terrorism, he never fought against the United States of America.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"small","align":"right","citation":"Frank Lindh told KQED Forum host Dave Iverson in 2011","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Television footage of a bearded, wounded Lindh captured among Taliban fighters created an international sensation, and he was brought to the U.S. to face charges of conspiring to kill Spann and providing support to terrorists. Eventually, he struck a plea bargain in which he admitted illegally providing support to the Taliban but denied a role in Spann's death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh received a 20-year prison sentence. He served roughly 17 years and five months, including two months when he was in military detention. Federal inmates who exhibit good behavior typically serve 85 percent of their sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His probation officer asked the court to impose additional restrictions on Lindh while he remains on supervised release for the next three years. Lindh initially opposed but eventually acquiesced to the restrictions, which include monitoring software on his internet devices; requiring that his online communications be conducted in English and that he undergo mental health counseling; and forbidding him from possessing or viewing extremist material, holding a passport of any kind or leaving the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Authorities never specified their rationale for seeking such restrictions. A hearing on the issue was canceled after Lindh agreed to them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Bureau of Prisons said Lindh rejected an interview request submitted by The Associated Press, and his lawyer declined to comment. KQED efforts to reach his father, Frank Lindh, were unsuccessful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A Marin County Teenager Who Wanted to Travel to the Middle East\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11749330\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11749330\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-800x2985.jpg\" alt=\"A 14-year-old John Walker Lindh appears in this file photo. \" width=\"800\" height=\"2985\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-800x2985.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-160x597.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-322x1200.jpg 322w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY.jpg 549w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A 14-year-old John Walker Lindh appears in this file photo. \u003ccite>(Lindh Family/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2007, Frank Lindh \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17668932\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">told NPR\u003c/a> that his son was a proxy for Osama bin Laden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The entire country turned on our son as if he were the terrorist, as if he had perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. It was this overwhelming and emotional response, and it was like being in a vortex. It was a real nightmare for all of us in John's family,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh was one of three children: He has an older brother and a younger sister. At 17, Lindh, who \u003ca href=\"https://www.marinij.com/2019/05/20/a-generation-after-9-11-american-taliban-john-walker-lindh-leaves-prison-this-week/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">graduated from Tamiscal High School in Larkspur\u003c/a>, told his parents he wanted to go to Yemen to study Arabic, NPR reported.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I did with John research as best I could,\" said his mom, Marilyn Lindh. \"I talked to people about the school he was looking into to attend. And I got encouragement that it was safe and the fact that many kids go abroad to study.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But they didn't know he would go on to Pakistan and Afghanistan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nevertheless, Lindh's parents were criticized for poor parenting from angry emailers and for their residence in affluent Marin County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"All three of our kids have grown up here. The schools are good. The neighborhoods are friendly. It's got a strong community sense. There are good family values in Marin. There are very wealthy enclaves in Marin, but most people who live here are just middle-income people,\" said Frank Lindh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nearly a decade into his imprisonment, in May 2011, Frank Lindh told \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/201105250931/frank-lindh\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">KQED Forum\u003c/a> that his son remained \"the same young man he always was.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He's a nice kid. He's spiritual. He does his prayers every day. He's highly intellectual. He studies constantly. He's got a really very positive attitude, a sparkling sense of humor,\" he added. \"He's a wonderful son.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Emigrate to Ireland?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's unclear where Lindh will go when he is released. The Bureau of Prisons said it doesn't comment on individual release plans, citing safety, security and privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Foreign Policy \u003ca href=\"https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/23/john-walker-lindh-detainee-001-in-the-global-war-on-terror-will-go-free-in-two-years-what-then/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">reported\u003c/a> in June 2017 that Lindh, who got Irish citizenship in 2013, had considered potentially moving to Ireland after he got out, citing a Bureau of Prisons intelligence summary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Irish government could deny him a passport on grounds that he poses a threat to national security, the publication reported. Lindh's release conditions also prohibit him from holding a passport of any kind or leaving the U.S. while he remains on supervised release for the next three years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Behavior in Prison That's Cause for Concern?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_201105250931,news_201105261000","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>There have been reports that Lindh's behavior in prison has created cause for concern. Foreign Policy magazine reported in 2017 that an investigation by the National Counterterrorism Center found that Lindh \"continued to advocate for global jihad and to write and translate violent extremist texts.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A former inmate who knew Lindh from the time they spent at the same federal prison said he never heard Lindh espouse support for al-Qaida or indicate a risk for violence, but he found Lindh to be anti-social and awkward around others, with an unyielding, black-and-white view of religion. The inmate spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he wanted to avoid further stigmatization from his time in Lindh's prison unit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Michael Jensen, a terrorism researcher at the University of Maryland's National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, said it's clear the government has concerns about Lindh's mindset.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"For three years he's going to be watched like a hawk,\" Jensen said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'For three years he's going to be watched like a hawk.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"small","align":"right","citation":"Michael Jensen, terrorism researcher at University of Maryland","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>He said Lindh represents an interesting test case, as he is on the leading edge of dozens of inmates who were convicted on terror-related offenses in the aftermath of Sept. 11 and are eligible for release in the next five years. He said there's little research to indicate the efficacy of de-radicalizing inmates with connections to radical Islam, but he said the research shows that recidivism rates for those connected to white supremacy and other forms of extremism are high.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh has been housed in Terre Haute, Indiana, with other Muslim inmates convicted on terror-related charges. The rationale was to keep those inmates from radicalizing others in the general prison population, Jensen said. Those inside the unit were supposed to be limited in their ability to communicate with each other.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"But the reality is these guys still talk to each other,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh, for his part, admitted his role and his wrongdoing in supporting the Taliban, but he and his family have bristled at any notion that he should be considered a terrorist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I don't feel that John committed the kind of crimes he was accused of, and that many of your listeners and even you continue to believe that John committed. He did not commit terrorism, he never fought against the United States of America,\" Frank Lindh told KQED Forum host Dave Iverson in May 2011. \"And I can't express contrition for things that my son didn't do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he was sentenced, Lindh said he never would have joined the Taliban if he fully understood what they were about. He also issued a short essay condemning acts of violence in the name of Islam that kill or harm innocent civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some have criticized Lindh's pending release. In March, the legislature in Alabama, where Spann grew up, adopted a resolution calling it \"an insult\" to Spann's \"heroic legacy and his remaining family members.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>NPR and KQED's Miranda Leitsinger, Scott Shafer and Tara Siler contributed to this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11749134/american-taliban-lindh-of-marin-county-set-for-release-nearly-2-decades-after-9-11","authors":["byline_news_11749134"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_1849","news_19537","news_1485","news_1484","news_1324"],"featImg":"news_11749315","label":"news"},"news_89116":{"type":"posts","id":"news_89116","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"89116","score":null,"sort":[1360803843000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"navy-seal-killed-bin-lade","title":"Navy SEAL Involved in bin Laden Killing Finds Support in Washington","publishDate":1360803843,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cstrong>By Aaron Glantz, Center for Investigative Reporting\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Navy SEAL who says he killed Osama bin Laden was on Capitol Hill attending a series of private conversations Tuesday with congressional leaders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The meetings came a day after a \u003ca href=\"http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>story in Esquire\u003c/strong>\u003c/a> revealed that the man who killed the al-Qaida leader was unemployed and waiting for disability benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs. The man is identified in the story, done in cooperation with the Center for Investigative Reporting, only as “the Shooter” to protect his identity and his family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The Navy SEAL in the Esquire article has come forward in an effort to assist all our special forces, who are American heroes often unknown to the public, to get the benefits and assistance they need to transition back to civilian life,” said Eve Burton, senior vice president of Hearst Corp., which publishes Esquire. Burton attended the meetings as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The SEAL met with nine lawmakers from both parties, including members of the leadership of both houses, and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EHvmRBQHxNU\" target=\"_blank\">Video: Phil Bronstein on The Shooter\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/EHvmRBQHxNU\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen>\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., chairwoman of the Senate Budget Committee, reportedly was moved by the Navy SEAL’s plight and the challenges he and other veterans face as they transition back into civilian life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Sen. Murray certainly thought his advocacy will go a long way,” said a congressional aide who attended the meeting, adding that the challenges faced by the SEAL are far too common.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He was very compelling,” said the aide. “Very few times did he talk about himself, he talked about his unit … and the universal issues faced by veterans.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The author of the magazine article, CIR’s Executive Chairman Phil Bronstein, also attended the meetings as a journalist – along with representatives from Esquire and a former CIA official.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It went really well,” the SEAL told Bronstein. “I think we raised awareness. Now it’s just a question of acting.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the Esquire article, the former SEAL said he fired the fatal shots that killed bin Laden, recounting minute details of the May 2011 raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But perhaps the story’s most explosive revelation was that nearly six months after leaving the military, the SEAL feels abandoned by the government. He left the military a few years short of the retirement requirement with no pension and no job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday, Bronstein said that the former SEAL advocated for an earlier vesting period for pension benefits, automatic enrollment for veterans in VA health care and special job placement services for veterans of special operations, who are forbidden by law from talking about details of their military service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They thanked me for what I was doing now, which was giving a voice to those who were in my circumstance,” the SEAL told Bronstein.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Treatment of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans is a topic of rising concern on Capitol Hill, with a series of hearings scheduled for Wednesday and beyond. On Monday, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said it was time to rethink pension requirements in the wake of the Esquire story. Sanders announced he would be holding hearings next month on what he called the VA’s “broken claims system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his State of the Union address Tuesday night, President Barack Obama also renewed his vow to help the country's veterans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We will keep faith with our veterans – investing in world-class care, including mental health care, for our wounded warriors; supporting our military families; and giving our veterans the benefits, education and job opportunities they have earned,\" the president said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the SEAL’s account was published Monday morning, a number of media outlets, including Stars and Stripes, have questioned why bin Laden’s killer lacked health insurance. The VA offers the option of virtually free medical care to all honorably discharged Iraq and Afghanistan veterans for the first five years after their discharge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday afternoon, Tommy Sowers, the VA’s assistant secretary for public and intergovernmental affairs, tweeted his thanks to Stars and Stripes national reporter Megan McCloskey, who wrote a blog challenging the claim that the SEAL didn’t have access to health care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CIR has since issued a correction, expanding on the availability of health care during the five years after discharge: “The Department of Veterans Affairs offers health care during that period and not just for service-related injuries.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to Bronstein, the SEAL told members of Congress that he was not aware of the benefit, which does not extend to family members. Nationwide, VA documents show that nearly 681,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans discharged from the military have not sought health care from the VA. According to a study last year from the Urban Institute, 291,000 are uninsured – with neither private health insurance nor VA coverage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the story ran Monday morning, CIR has received more than 200 emails from individuals offering help to the SEAL and his family. They ranged from a reader in Washington state who offered the man use of a home outside Seattle, to a job offer from a captain in the Bakersfield, Calif., fire department, to an opportunity to be part of pit teams at NASCAR races.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But bin Laden’s killer made it clear he hopes to raise awareness about the straits faced by other special operations veterans but does not want any handouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think that’s cool, but this is not about me,” he said of the many offers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday afternoon, Sowers, the assistant VA secretary, tweeted his willingness to help the SEAL, who still is waiting for the agency to approve his disability claim. Sowers is a former Green Beret, deployed twice to Iraq.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If ‘Shooter’ wants direct help from me,” he tweeted, “DM (direct message) me.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Bobby Caina Calvan contributed to this story from Washington.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003c/em>\u003cstrong>The independent, nonprofit Center for Investigative Reporting is the country’s largest investigative reporting team. For more, visit \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.cironline.org/\">\u003cstrong>www.cironline.org\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong>. Contact the reporter at aglantz@cironline.org.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1360804687,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":33,"wordCount":1060},"headData":{"title":"Navy SEAL Involved in bin Laden Killing Finds Support in Washington | KQED","description":"By Aaron Glantz, Center for Investigative Reporting The Navy SEAL who says he killed Osama bin Laden was on Capitol Hill attending a series of private conversations Tuesday with congressional leaders. 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The man is identified in the story, done in cooperation with the Center for Investigative Reporting, only as “the Shooter” to protect his identity and his family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The Navy SEAL in the Esquire article has come forward in an effort to assist all our special forces, who are American heroes often unknown to the public, to get the benefits and assistance they need to transition back to civilian life,” said Eve Burton, senior vice president of Hearst Corp., which publishes Esquire. Burton attended the meetings as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The SEAL met with nine lawmakers from both parties, including members of the leadership of both houses, and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EHvmRBQHxNU\" target=\"_blank\">Video: Phil Bronstein on The Shooter\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/EHvmRBQHxNU\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen>\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., chairwoman of the Senate Budget Committee, reportedly was moved by the Navy SEAL’s plight and the challenges he and other veterans face as they transition back into civilian life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Sen. Murray certainly thought his advocacy will go a long way,” said a congressional aide who attended the meeting, adding that the challenges faced by the SEAL are far too common.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He was very compelling,” said the aide. “Very few times did he talk about himself, he talked about his unit … and the universal issues faced by veterans.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The author of the magazine article, CIR’s Executive Chairman Phil Bronstein, also attended the meetings as a journalist – along with representatives from Esquire and a former CIA official.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It went really well,” the SEAL told Bronstein. “I think we raised awareness. Now it’s just a question of acting.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the Esquire article, the former SEAL said he fired the fatal shots that killed bin Laden, recounting minute details of the May 2011 raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But perhaps the story’s most explosive revelation was that nearly six months after leaving the military, the SEAL feels abandoned by the government. He left the military a few years short of the retirement requirement with no pension and no job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday, Bronstein said that the former SEAL advocated for an earlier vesting period for pension benefits, automatic enrollment for veterans in VA health care and special job placement services for veterans of special operations, who are forbidden by law from talking about details of their military service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They thanked me for what I was doing now, which was giving a voice to those who were in my circumstance,” the SEAL told Bronstein.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Treatment of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans is a topic of rising concern on Capitol Hill, with a series of hearings scheduled for Wednesday and beyond. On Monday, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said it was time to rethink pension requirements in the wake of the Esquire story. Sanders announced he would be holding hearings next month on what he called the VA’s “broken claims system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his State of the Union address Tuesday night, President Barack Obama also renewed his vow to help the country's veterans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We will keep faith with our veterans – investing in world-class care, including mental health care, for our wounded warriors; supporting our military families; and giving our veterans the benefits, education and job opportunities they have earned,\" the president said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the SEAL’s account was published Monday morning, a number of media outlets, including Stars and Stripes, have questioned why bin Laden’s killer lacked health insurance. The VA offers the option of virtually free medical care to all honorably discharged Iraq and Afghanistan veterans for the first five years after their discharge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday afternoon, Tommy Sowers, the VA’s assistant secretary for public and intergovernmental affairs, tweeted his thanks to Stars and Stripes national reporter Megan McCloskey, who wrote a blog challenging the claim that the SEAL didn’t have access to health care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CIR has since issued a correction, expanding on the availability of health care during the five years after discharge: “The Department of Veterans Affairs offers health care during that period and not just for service-related injuries.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to Bronstein, the SEAL told members of Congress that he was not aware of the benefit, which does not extend to family members. Nationwide, VA documents show that nearly 681,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans discharged from the military have not sought health care from the VA. According to a study last year from the Urban Institute, 291,000 are uninsured – with neither private health insurance nor VA coverage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the story ran Monday morning, CIR has received more than 200 emails from individuals offering help to the SEAL and his family. They ranged from a reader in Washington state who offered the man use of a home outside Seattle, to a job offer from a captain in the Bakersfield, Calif., fire department, to an opportunity to be part of pit teams at NASCAR races.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But bin Laden’s killer made it clear he hopes to raise awareness about the straits faced by other special operations veterans but does not want any handouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think that’s cool, but this is not about me,” he said of the many offers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday afternoon, Sowers, the assistant VA secretary, tweeted his willingness to help the SEAL, who still is waiting for the agency to approve his disability claim. Sowers is a former Green Beret, deployed twice to Iraq.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If ‘Shooter’ wants direct help from me,” he tweeted, “DM (direct message) me.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Bobby Caina Calvan contributed to this story from Washington.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003c/em>\u003cstrong>The independent, nonprofit Center for Investigative Reporting is the country’s largest investigative reporting team. For more, visit \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.cironline.org/\">\u003cstrong>www.cironline.org\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong>. Contact the reporter at aglantz@cironline.org.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/89116/navy-seal-killed-bin-lade","authors":["236"],"programs":["news_6944"],"tags":["news_740","news_80","news_1324"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_88709":{"type":"posts","id":"news_88709","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"88709","score":null,"sort":[1360611950000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"phil-bronstein-profiles-navy-seal-who-killed-bin-laden","title":"Navy Seal Who Killed Osama bin Laden Unemployed, Waiting For Disability Benefits","publishDate":1360611950,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>By Aaron Glantz, Center for Investigative Reporting\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Navy SEAL who says \u003ca href=\"http://cironline.org/theshooter\">he killed Osama bin Laden\u003c/a> is unemployed and waiting for disability benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an exclusive\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313?click=pp\" target=\"_blank\"> story for Esquire\u003c/a>\u003c/strong> by Phil Bronstein of the Center for Investigative Reporting, the Shooter adds many details to what already is known about the death of the al-Qaida leader. His name is withheld to protect his identity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter told Bronstein, CIR’s executive chairman, that he alone killed the terrorist leader, recounting minute details of those brief seconds. As the second Navy SEAL up a staircase, he saw bin Laden inside a room.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\nPhil Bronstein met \"the Shooter\" through mutual friends, he says in this accompanying video:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/EHvmRBQHxNU\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For me it was a snapshot of a target ID, definitely him,” he said. “Even in our kill houses where we train, there are targets with his face on them. This was repetition and muscle memory. That’s him, boom, done.”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313?click=pp\" target=\"_blank\">The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden ... Is Screwed\u003c/a>\u003c/strong> (Esquire)\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>But perhaps the Shooter’s most explosive revelation is that nearly six months after leaving the military, he feels abandoned by the government. Physically aching and psychologically wrecked after hundreds of combat missions, he left the military a few years short of the retirement requirement with no pension and no job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Navy SEALs go through a highly demanding selection process. They are selected for physical, mental and psychological qualities that are exceptional. The fact that this hero, with these qualities, cannot find employment is shocking to me,\" said retired Gen. Anthony Zinni, former commander in chief of U.S. Central Command.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like 820,000 other veterans, the Shooter has a disability claim that is stuck in a seemingly interminable backlog at the VA, where the average wait time currently exceeds nine months, based on the \u003ca href=\"http://cironline.org/reports/map-where-veterans-backlog-worst-3792\">agency’s own data\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The speedier special track for Special Forces veterans appears to have eluded him, and so his neck, back and eye injuries remain uncompensated, removing a chance for a modicum of financial stability.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since a required medical exam in August, which he said he attended in full dress uniform including his gold SEAL Trident and combat awards, the Shooter’s only communication from the VA has been computer-generated form letters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is our sincere desire to decide your case promptly. However, as we have a great number of claims, action on yours may be delayed,” reads one letter dated Dec. 10. “If we need anything else from you, we will contact you, so there is no need to contact us.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The fact that even bin Laden’s killer has to wait for his benefits “just underscores how much you’re squandering the talents of the generation,” said Paul Rieckhoff, founder and CEO of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is a widespread frustration with the inability of veterans to get their benefits when they come home, and that includes SEALS,” he added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The VA did not immediately return calls seeking comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Calls and emails to the Pentagon, Naval Special Warfare Command and Special Forces were not immediately returned either. In a statement to NBC News, the Navy declined to either confirm or dispute the Shooter’s account.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We take seriously the safety and security of our people as well as our responsibility to assist sailors making the transition to civilian life,” the statement reads. “Without more information about this particular case, it would be difficult to determine the degree to which our transition programs succeeded.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the Shooter’s account of the May 2011 mission, bin Laden stood in front of him, an AK-47 within reach. The terrorist, he said, pushed his youngest wife, Amal, in front of him in the pitch-black room. The Navy SEAL, wearing night-vision goggles, had to raise his gun higher than he expected before shooting three bullets into bin Laden’s forehead at close range.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He looked confused. And way taller than I was expecting,” the Shooter said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In that moment, the Shooter said he felt a deep inner conflict, about whether he had done the right thing by killing the world’s most wanted man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I remember as I watched him breathe out the last part of air, I thought: Is this the best thing I’ve done, or the worst thing I’ve ever done?” he said. “His forehead was gruesome. It was split open in a shape of a V. I could see his brains spilling out over his face. The American public doesn’t want to know what that looks like.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter’s account differs from other descriptions of bin Laden’s death and contradicts some statements by Matt Bissonnette, another member of Navy SEAL Team 6. In his book, “No Easy Day,” Bissonnette said he stood directly behind the SEAL team’s point man when the point man shot bin Laden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the Shooter, the point man took a shot or two at bin Laden when bin Laden peeked around a curtain in the hallway a floor above them, but even after that the terrorist leader was still standing and moving. The point man was not in the room when bin Laden was killed, the Shooter said, because he had tackled two women into the hallway, believing they were wearing suicide vests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was the most heroic thing I’ve ever seen,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Addressing the differences, CIR Executive Director Robert J. Rosenthal said: “The Shooter’s version of events is not the only one out there. But we believe his version of events is the most credible.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter does not dispute Bissonnette’s account that Bissonnette entered the third-floor room after bin Laden already was fatally wounded, and along with another SEAL, continued to fire shots into the al-Qaida leader until his body was torn apart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Together with Bronstein, the Shooter saw “Zero Dark Thirty,” the Oscar-nominated film by Kathryn Bigelow about the killing of bin Laden. While Bigelow “Hollywooded it up some,” most of the Shooter’s criticisms of the film were minor. The stairs inside bin Laden’s compound were not properly configured, he said, and none of the SEALs uttered the al-Qaida leader’s name.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The mission in the damn movie took way too long,” the Shooter said. But the portrayal of “Maya,” the CIA operative who identified the complex where bin Laden was hiding, was right on target, he said, adding, “They made her a tough woman, which she is.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter said the CIA operative broke down in tears at the sight of bin Laden’s body back at the Afghanistan base and that he gave her his magazine, which still contained 27 shots, as a souvenir.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We looked down and I asked, ‘Is that your guy?’ ” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, the Shooter served one more deployment in Afghanistan and then left the military, a few years shy of his pension.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I wanted to see my children graduate and get married,” he said. He hoped to sleep through the night for the first time in years. “I was burned out,” he said. “And I realized that when I stopped getting an adrenaline rush from gunfights, it was time to go.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now out of the military, the Shooter has separated from his wife, but the two still live together for financial reasons. Since the raid in Abbottabad, the story says, “he has trained his children to hide in their bathtub at the first sign of a problem as the safest, most fortified place in their house.” He keeps a shotgun on the armoire and a knife on the dresser. The military provides no protection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says his disability claim is less about the money it would provide than the right to free health care it would bring. While the VA now provides five years of virtually free health care to all honorably discharged Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, they can face bureaucratic nightmares later on if their conditions are not deemed service-connected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite 16 years serving his country, the Shooter says he has never accessed – or been informed of – unique services available to Special Forces veterans, including an effort called the Care Coalition launched by Special Operations Command in 2005.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter also says he has seen no evidence that he has been routed through a special track for disability claims that the Department of Veterans Affairs set up for Special Forces veterans in 2009.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under this policy, if a veteran files a disability claim based on involvement in a secret mission, VA claims examiners are supposed to turn files over to a special liaison at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla., where Special Operations Command is located.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move was meant to speed processing of claims by Special Forces veterans, who had difficulty proving their injuries were caused by military service because of the classified nature of their work.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1360616030,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":40,"wordCount":1580},"headData":{"title":"Navy Seal Who Killed Osama bin Laden Unemployed, Waiting For Disability Benefits | KQED","description":"By Aaron Glantz, Center for Investigative Reporting The Navy SEAL who says he killed Osama bin Laden is unemployed and waiting for disability benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs. 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His name is withheld to protect his identity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter told Bronstein, CIR’s executive chairman, that he alone killed the terrorist leader, recounting minute details of those brief seconds. As the second Navy SEAL up a staircase, he saw bin Laden inside a room.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\nPhil Bronstein met \"the Shooter\" through mutual friends, he says in this accompanying video:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/EHvmRBQHxNU\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For me it was a snapshot of a target ID, definitely him,” he said. “Even in our kill houses where we train, there are targets with his face on them. This was repetition and muscle memory. That’s him, boom, done.”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313?click=pp\" target=\"_blank\">The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden ... Is Screwed\u003c/a>\u003c/strong> (Esquire)\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>But perhaps the Shooter’s most explosive revelation is that nearly six months after leaving the military, he feels abandoned by the government. Physically aching and psychologically wrecked after hundreds of combat missions, he left the military a few years short of the retirement requirement with no pension and no job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Navy SEALs go through a highly demanding selection process. They are selected for physical, mental and psychological qualities that are exceptional. The fact that this hero, with these qualities, cannot find employment is shocking to me,\" said retired Gen. Anthony Zinni, former commander in chief of U.S. Central Command.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like 820,000 other veterans, the Shooter has a disability claim that is stuck in a seemingly interminable backlog at the VA, where the average wait time currently exceeds nine months, based on the \u003ca href=\"http://cironline.org/reports/map-where-veterans-backlog-worst-3792\">agency’s own data\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The speedier special track for Special Forces veterans appears to have eluded him, and so his neck, back and eye injuries remain uncompensated, removing a chance for a modicum of financial stability.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since a required medical exam in August, which he said he attended in full dress uniform including his gold SEAL Trident and combat awards, the Shooter’s only communication from the VA has been computer-generated form letters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is our sincere desire to decide your case promptly. However, as we have a great number of claims, action on yours may be delayed,” reads one letter dated Dec. 10. “If we need anything else from you, we will contact you, so there is no need to contact us.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The fact that even bin Laden’s killer has to wait for his benefits “just underscores how much you’re squandering the talents of the generation,” said Paul Rieckhoff, founder and CEO of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is a widespread frustration with the inability of veterans to get their benefits when they come home, and that includes SEALS,” he added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The VA did not immediately return calls seeking comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Calls and emails to the Pentagon, Naval Special Warfare Command and Special Forces were not immediately returned either. In a statement to NBC News, the Navy declined to either confirm or dispute the Shooter’s account.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We take seriously the safety and security of our people as well as our responsibility to assist sailors making the transition to civilian life,” the statement reads. “Without more information about this particular case, it would be difficult to determine the degree to which our transition programs succeeded.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the Shooter’s account of the May 2011 mission, bin Laden stood in front of him, an AK-47 within reach. The terrorist, he said, pushed his youngest wife, Amal, in front of him in the pitch-black room. The Navy SEAL, wearing night-vision goggles, had to raise his gun higher than he expected before shooting three bullets into bin Laden’s forehead at close range.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He looked confused. And way taller than I was expecting,” the Shooter said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In that moment, the Shooter said he felt a deep inner conflict, about whether he had done the right thing by killing the world’s most wanted man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I remember as I watched him breathe out the last part of air, I thought: Is this the best thing I’ve done, or the worst thing I’ve ever done?” he said. “His forehead was gruesome. It was split open in a shape of a V. I could see his brains spilling out over his face. The American public doesn’t want to know what that looks like.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter’s account differs from other descriptions of bin Laden’s death and contradicts some statements by Matt Bissonnette, another member of Navy SEAL Team 6. In his book, “No Easy Day,” Bissonnette said he stood directly behind the SEAL team’s point man when the point man shot bin Laden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the Shooter, the point man took a shot or two at bin Laden when bin Laden peeked around a curtain in the hallway a floor above them, but even after that the terrorist leader was still standing and moving. The point man was not in the room when bin Laden was killed, the Shooter said, because he had tackled two women into the hallway, believing they were wearing suicide vests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was the most heroic thing I’ve ever seen,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Addressing the differences, CIR Executive Director Robert J. Rosenthal said: “The Shooter’s version of events is not the only one out there. But we believe his version of events is the most credible.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter does not dispute Bissonnette’s account that Bissonnette entered the third-floor room after bin Laden already was fatally wounded, and along with another SEAL, continued to fire shots into the al-Qaida leader until his body was torn apart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Together with Bronstein, the Shooter saw “Zero Dark Thirty,” the Oscar-nominated film by Kathryn Bigelow about the killing of bin Laden. While Bigelow “Hollywooded it up some,” most of the Shooter’s criticisms of the film were minor. The stairs inside bin Laden’s compound were not properly configured, he said, and none of the SEALs uttered the al-Qaida leader’s name.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The mission in the damn movie took way too long,” the Shooter said. But the portrayal of “Maya,” the CIA operative who identified the complex where bin Laden was hiding, was right on target, he said, adding, “They made her a tough woman, which she is.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter said the CIA operative broke down in tears at the sight of bin Laden’s body back at the Afghanistan base and that he gave her his magazine, which still contained 27 shots, as a souvenir.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We looked down and I asked, ‘Is that your guy?’ ” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, the Shooter served one more deployment in Afghanistan and then left the military, a few years shy of his pension.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I wanted to see my children graduate and get married,” he said. He hoped to sleep through the night for the first time in years. “I was burned out,” he said. “And I realized that when I stopped getting an adrenaline rush from gunfights, it was time to go.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now out of the military, the Shooter has separated from his wife, but the two still live together for financial reasons. Since the raid in Abbottabad, the story says, “he has trained his children to hide in their bathtub at the first sign of a problem as the safest, most fortified place in their house.” He keeps a shotgun on the armoire and a knife on the dresser. The military provides no protection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says his disability claim is less about the money it would provide than the right to free health care it would bring. While the VA now provides five years of virtually free health care to all honorably discharged Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, they can face bureaucratic nightmares later on if their conditions are not deemed service-connected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite 16 years serving his country, the Shooter says he has never accessed – or been informed of – unique services available to Special Forces veterans, including an effort called the Care Coalition launched by Special Operations Command in 2005.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Shooter also says he has seen no evidence that he has been routed through a special track for disability claims that the Department of Veterans Affairs set up for Special Forces veterans in 2009.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under this policy, if a veteran files a disability claim based on involvement in a secret mission, VA claims examiners are supposed to turn files over to a special liaison at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla., where Special Operations Command is located.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move was meant to speed processing of claims by Special Forces veterans, who had difficulty proving their injuries were caused by military service because of the classified nature of their work.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/88709/phil-bronstein-profiles-navy-seal-who-killed-bin-laden","authors":["1367"],"programs":["news_6944"],"tags":["news_18544","news_740","news_205","news_80","news_3871","news_1324","news_3872"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_84709":{"type":"posts","id":"news_84709","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"84709","score":null,"sort":[1357341671000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"zero-dark-thirty-film-provokes-protests-over-glorification-of-torture","title":"'Zero Dark Thirty' Protesters Say It Glorifies Torture","publishDate":1357341671,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Osama bin Laden may be dead, but the controversy over his pursuit has never been more alive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_84724\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 225px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/01/Zero-Dark-Thirty-protester-Andrew-Stelzer.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-84724\" title=\"Zero Dark Thirty protester Andrew Stelzer\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/01/Zero-Dark-Thirty-protester-Andrew-Stelzer-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A protester says \"Zero Dark Thirty\" gives a wrong impression of torture. (Andrew Stelzer/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Protests are springing up against the film \"Zero Dark Thirty,\" which opened in 25 cities on Friday, including Emeryville. Demonstrators outside a theater there warned that it inaccurately depicts torture as a helpful tool in hunting down the Al Qaeda leader.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California Sen. Dianne Feinstein has waded into the controversy as well, demanding that the CIA account for the way it influenced the film.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's how \u003ca href=\"http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/14/zero-dark-thirty-cia-propaganda\">Guardian columnist Glenn Greenwald\u003c/a>, who has been engaged in an online debate over the film, describes his main objections:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>It immediately goes from its emotionally exploitative start - harrowing audio tapes of 9/11 victims crying for help - into CIA torture sessions of Muslim terrorists that take up a good portion of the film's first forty-five minutes. The key evidence - the identity of bin Laden's courier - is revealed only after a detainee is brutally and repeatedly abused.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>According to Feinstein's \u003ca href=\"http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=0d4e72c7-361a-4271-922f-6e2ccaa3f609\">media release\u003c/a>, it just didn't happen that way:\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>The Senate Intelligence Committee’s recently-adopted Study of the CIA’s Detention and Interrogation program concluded that the CIA did not first learn about the existence of the bin Laden courier from CIA detainees subjected to coercive interrogation techniques and that the CIA detainee who provided the most accurate information about the courier provided the information prior to being subjected to coercive interrogation techniques.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Senate Armed Service Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and Senate Armed Service Committee Ranking Member John McCain (R-Ariz.) are asking the CIA to to document how the agency communicated with the filmmakers and its own employees about the film.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Emeryville Friday afternoon, a man dressed in an orange jumpsuit and a black hood over his head was chained to a sign reading\"‘Don’t Buy CIA Lies!” Meanwhile half a dozen people handed out fliers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you see it, realize that it’s full of lies.” protester Mary Ann Thomas told KQED's Andrew Stelzer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But on his way in to see the film, Nathan Jongewaard said he wasn't concerned. “I think that audiences are intelligent enough to understand that a Hollywood movie is not gonna depict an absolute truth.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The controversy is particularly lively because the filmmakers have made unusual claims about its authenticity. In an \u003ca href=\"http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2012/12/17/121217ta_talk_filkins\">interview with The New Yorker magazine\u003c/a>, director Kathryn Bigelow, who was born in San Carlos and graduated from the San Francisco Art Institute, said she was striving for realism. \"What we were attempting is almost a journalistic approach to film,\" she reportedly said. The film opens with the words \"based on first-hand accounts of actual events.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When The New Yorker writer challenged her about the information leading to the courier, however, Bigelow said, \"It’s a movie, not a documentary.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In this video, two actors from the film, Jessica Chastain and Jason Clarke, argue that the film does not depict torture as helpful in the bin Laden hunt, notably because the captive discloses the courier's identity during a meal rather than while being tortured:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/hDHLzt_MZ84?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some critics agree, including Andrew Sullivan \u003ca href=\"http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/the-torture-narrative.html\">writing in the Daily Beast\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>...the movie is not an apology for torture, as so many have said, and as I have worried about. It is an exposure of torture. It removes any doubt that war criminals ran this country for seven years and remain at large, while they scapegoated the grunts at Abu Ghraib who were, yes, merely following their superior's own orders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So why include the torture at all? The breakthroughs to finding bin Laden in the movie come from traditional interrogation and intelligence. I think it reveals the core truth behind Cheney's armchair warrior mindset. The torture was not for intelligence (and it provided nothing reliable as well as countless leads that were dead ends). It was for revenge.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1357407571,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":20,"wordCount":685},"headData":{"title":"'Zero Dark Thirty' Protesters Say It Glorifies Torture | KQED","description":"Osama bin Laden may be dead, but the controversy over his pursuit has never been more alive. Protests are springing up against the film "Zero Dark Thirty," which opened in 25 cities on Friday, including Emeryville. 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(Andrew Stelzer/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Protests are springing up against the film \"Zero Dark Thirty,\" which opened in 25 cities on Friday, including Emeryville. Demonstrators outside a theater there warned that it inaccurately depicts torture as a helpful tool in hunting down the Al Qaeda leader.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California Sen. Dianne Feinstein has waded into the controversy as well, demanding that the CIA account for the way it influenced the film.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's how \u003ca href=\"http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/14/zero-dark-thirty-cia-propaganda\">Guardian columnist Glenn Greenwald\u003c/a>, who has been engaged in an online debate over the film, describes his main objections:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>It immediately goes from its emotionally exploitative start - harrowing audio tapes of 9/11 victims crying for help - into CIA torture sessions of Muslim terrorists that take up a good portion of the film's first forty-five minutes. The key evidence - the identity of bin Laden's courier - is revealed only after a detainee is brutally and repeatedly abused.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>According to Feinstein's \u003ca href=\"http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=0d4e72c7-361a-4271-922f-6e2ccaa3f609\">media release\u003c/a>, it just didn't happen that way:\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>The Senate Intelligence Committee’s recently-adopted Study of the CIA’s Detention and Interrogation program concluded that the CIA did not first learn about the existence of the bin Laden courier from CIA detainees subjected to coercive interrogation techniques and that the CIA detainee who provided the most accurate information about the courier provided the information prior to being subjected to coercive interrogation techniques.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Senate Armed Service Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and Senate Armed Service Committee Ranking Member John McCain (R-Ariz.) are asking the CIA to to document how the agency communicated with the filmmakers and its own employees about the film.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Emeryville Friday afternoon, a man dressed in an orange jumpsuit and a black hood over his head was chained to a sign reading\"‘Don’t Buy CIA Lies!” Meanwhile half a dozen people handed out fliers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you see it, realize that it’s full of lies.” protester Mary Ann Thomas told KQED's Andrew Stelzer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But on his way in to see the film, Nathan Jongewaard said he wasn't concerned. “I think that audiences are intelligent enough to understand that a Hollywood movie is not gonna depict an absolute truth.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The controversy is particularly lively because the filmmakers have made unusual claims about its authenticity. In an \u003ca href=\"http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2012/12/17/121217ta_talk_filkins\">interview with The New Yorker magazine\u003c/a>, director Kathryn Bigelow, who was born in San Carlos and graduated from the San Francisco Art Institute, said she was striving for realism. \"What we were attempting is almost a journalistic approach to film,\" she reportedly said. The film opens with the words \"based on first-hand accounts of actual events.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When The New Yorker writer challenged her about the information leading to the courier, however, Bigelow said, \"It’s a movie, not a documentary.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In this video, two actors from the film, Jessica Chastain and Jason Clarke, argue that the film does not depict torture as helpful in the bin Laden hunt, notably because the captive discloses the courier's identity during a meal rather than while being tortured:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/hDHLzt_MZ84?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some critics agree, including Andrew Sullivan \u003ca href=\"http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/the-torture-narrative.html\">writing in the Daily Beast\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>...the movie is not an apology for torture, as so many have said, and as I have worried about. It is an exposure of torture. It removes any doubt that war criminals ran this country for seven years and remain at large, while they scapegoated the grunts at Abu Ghraib who were, yes, merely following their superior's own orders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So why include the torture at all? The breakthroughs to finding bin Laden in the movie come from traditional interrogation and intelligence. I think it reveals the core truth behind Cheney's armchair warrior mindset. The torture was not for intelligence (and it provided nothing reliable as well as countless leads that were dead ends). It was for revenge.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/84709/zero-dark-thirty-film-provokes-protests-over-glorification-of-torture","authors":["1367"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_223"],"tags":["news_3671","news_3670","news_3668","news_1324","news_3669","news_3667"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_26771":{"type":"posts","id":"news_26771","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"26771","score":null,"sort":[1304957293000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"watch-osama-bin-laden-videos-released-this-weekend-obama-on-60-minutes","title":"Watch Osama bin Laden Videos Released This Weekend, Obama on \"60 Minutes\"","publishDate":1304957293,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/BinLadenVideo.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/BinLadenVideo-300x169.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"BinLadenVideo\" width=\"200\" height=\"113\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-26779\">\u003c/a>The Pentagon on Saturday \u003ca href=\"http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-07/world/pakistan.bin.laden.intelligence_1_bin-terror-mastermind-laden-s-pakistan?_s=PM:WORLD\">released video\u003c/a> of Osama bin Laden that the U.S. says was confiscated during the raid that killed the Al Qaeda leader.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The videos show bin Laden watching television and outtakes from his propaganda messages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20060771-503543.html\">\u003cstrong>Watch the videos and a CBS News special report\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also this weekend, President Obama was on \"60 Minutes\" discussing the bin Laden operation. \u003ca href=\"http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20060530-10391709.html?tag=pop;stories\">\u003cstrong>Full video and transcript\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1304957545,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":6,"wordCount":68},"headData":{"title":"Watch Osama bin Laden Videos Released This Weekend, Obama on \"60 Minutes\" | KQED","description":"The Pentagon on Saturday released video of Osama bin Laden that the U.S. says was confiscated during the raid that killed the Al Qaeda leader. 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While that tabloid, which has become almost synonymous with screaming, id-pandering front-page descriptions, did its best yesterday to serve up the reddest meat to the U.S. city that suffered most at the hands of bin Laden (\"\u003ca href=\"http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/05/02/16/197-nypost.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.gif\">Got Him! Vengeance at last. 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Headlines of note:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/05/02/17/CA_BC.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.jpg\">Justice Served\u003c/a> (Bakersfield Californian)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/05/02/16/668-tinleystar.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.gif\">Bin Laden Dead; We Win At Last\u003c/a> (Southtown Star, Illinois)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/05/02/18/TX_FWST.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.jpg\">We got Him!\u003c/a> (Fort Worth Star Telegram)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/05/02/16/255-tbt.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.gif\">Got Him (Shot Him)\u003c/a> (Tampa Bay Times)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Traditionally, the gold standard in \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/Headless-Body-Topless-Bar-Headlines/dp/0061340715#reader_0061340715\">tacky\u003c/a> front page reportage is set by the New York Post. 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U.S. nails the bastard\u003c/a>\"), the paper may have fallen short of the simple, regionally flavored prose dished out by its bitter rival, the New York Daily News:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"\u003ca href=\"http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/05/02/16/533-dailynews.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.gif\">Rot in Hell!\u003c/a>\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Related:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/05/03/author-chris-hedges-on-reaction-to-the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden/\">Chris Hedges on American \"triumphalism\" upon bin Laden's death\u003c/a> (News Fix)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2011/05/03/135927693/is-it-wrong-to-celebrate-bin-ladens-death\">Is it Wrong to Celebrate Bin Laden's Death?\u003c/a> (NPR)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Update 3:32 p.m.\u003c/em> The Mother of All bin Laden headline aggregations is at \u003ca href=\"http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default_archive.asp?fpArchive=050211\">Newseum\u003c/a>...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/26188/bay-area-and-world-newspaper-headlines-about-bin-laden-death","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"tags":["news_740","news_205","news_1324"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_26146":{"type":"posts","id":"news_26146","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"26146","score":null,"sort":[1304444906000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"author-chris-hedges-on-reaction-to-the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden","title":"Reactions to bin Laden Death Abound; Interview With Chris Hedges on Americans' \"Triumphalism\"","publishDate":1304444906,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>For a true eye-of-the-beholder experience, check out these two headlines today from the Chronicle and the Mercury News:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/03/MN271JAS44.DTL\">For Sept. 11 victims' families, quiet relief\u003c/a> (Chronicle)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/osama-bin-laden/ci_17976294\">Bay Area families of war dead, 9/11 victims unsettled by bin Laden's death\u003c/a> (Mercury News)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Relieved? Or unsettled? In journalism, as in in life, the story often depends on whom you talk to. In the aggregate, local media are doing their part to get to the many hearts of the matter: \u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/27752858/index.html\">military families\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2011/05/03/135927693/is-it-wrong-to-celebrate-bin-ladens-death?sc=fb&cc=fp\">East Bay students\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_17981058\">Flight 93 relatives\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/27752423/index.html\">San Francisco Muslims\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.timesheraldonline.com/news/ci_17980817\">Bay Area Muslims\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/27752840/index.html\">ex-Navy Seals\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.baycitizen.org/osama-bin-laden-1/story/anger-disappointment-pakistan-leadership/\">Pakistani Americans\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.baycitizen.org/military/story/vets-greet-bin-laden-news-guarded/\">Bay Area veterans\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17976843\">congressional members\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.marinij.com/marinnews/ci_17977730\">Marinites\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.timesheraldonline.com/news/ci_17980816?source=rss\">Vallejo students\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/05/02/fremonts-afghanis-react-to-osama-bin-ladens-death/\">Fremont Afghans\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/bay-area/2011/05/locals-react-osama-bin-laden-s-death\">morning commuters\u003c/a> -- you name it, they've been interviewed about their reaction to the death of American Enemy No. 1.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taking the pulse of the wider culture, a fair amount of \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumphalism\">triumphalism\u003c/a> has obtained. To view that in its purest form, watch this \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8ko4x5ukg&feature=player_embedded\">video\u003c/a> of Philadelphians reacting to the announcement of bin Laden's death at a Mets-Phillies game:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_26171\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 180px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/Chris_hedges.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/Chris_hedges-240x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"Chris_hedges\" width=\"180\" height=\"225\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-26171\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chris Hedges\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Yesterday, journalist/author/contrarian Chris Hedges was on KQED Radio's \u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201105020900\">Forum\u003c/a> discussing bin Laden's death. Hedges, who was the Middle East Bureau Chief for The New York Times and has written extensively on terrorism and the war on terror, was speaking at a fundraising event for the web site TruthDig when he was informed of the news. (Here's the \u003ca href=\"http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/chris_hedges_speaks_on_osama_bin_ladens_death_20110502/\">full text\u003c/a> of his expression of dubiousness about any speculated benefits of bin Laden's death.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NPR has a story up called \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2011/05/03/135927693/is-it-wrong-to-celebrate-bin-ladens-death\">Is It Wrong To Celebrate Bin Laden's Death?\u003c/a> Yesterday I asked that, in so many words, of Hedges:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Me: Do you think this kind of emotional reaction is not helpful, this kind of national catharsis and triumphalism?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chris Hedges: Yeah, it's sick. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Me: You think it's sick.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chris Hedges: Of course it is. I'm not in any way against the hunting down of bin Laden. But it's a tragic event; the whole thing is tragic. I was in New York when the plane hit and I walked down the West Side Highway in time to flee with everyone else, when Building 7 collapsed. And I was on the site with the small tiny pieces of flesh that we were finding -- a foot in a shoe, this kind of stuff. The attacks are not in any way an abstraction to me. The full horror of it wsa thrust in my face... \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I support the effort, the intelligence effort to break Al Qaeda. I think that the intelligence operatives probably had no choice in that he certainly resisted capture with violence; at least that's what he said he'd always do. But I don't rejoice in it. And I think I also don't rejoice in it, because as a war correspondent, I've been in so many firefights, that I know how venal, dirty, and ugly that kind of activity is. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>An opposing view to this is expressed in this popular Facebook status, as reported in the previously mentioned NPR article. The quote is attributed to \u003cdel datetime=\"2011-05-03T19:48:24+00:00\">Mark Twain\u003c/del> (It's actually from \u003ca href=\"http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20110503/ts_atlantic/marktwaindidntsaythingaboutobituaries37279_1\">Clarence Darrow\u003c/a>, reader \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/05/03/author-chris-hedges-on-reaction-to-the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden/#comments\">KiltBear\u003c/a> points out):\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1304458361,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":14,"wordCount":549},"headData":{"title":"Reactions to bin Laden Death Abound; Interview With Chris Hedges on Americans' \"Triumphalism\" | KQED","description":"For a true eye-of-the-beholder experience, check out these two headlines today from the Chronicle and the Mercury News: For Sept. 11 victims' families, quiet relief (Chronicle) Bay Area families of war dead, 9/11 victims unsettled by bin Laden's death (Mercury News) Relieved? 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Or unsettled? In journalism, as in in life, the story often depends on whom you talk to. In the aggregate, local media are doing their part to get to the many hearts of the matter: \u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/27752858/index.html\">military families\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2011/05/03/135927693/is-it-wrong-to-celebrate-bin-ladens-death?sc=fb&cc=fp\">East Bay students\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_17981058\">Flight 93 relatives\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/27752423/index.html\">San Francisco Muslims\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.timesheraldonline.com/news/ci_17980817\">Bay Area Muslims\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/27752840/index.html\">ex-Navy Seals\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.baycitizen.org/osama-bin-laden-1/story/anger-disappointment-pakistan-leadership/\">Pakistani Americans\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.baycitizen.org/military/story/vets-greet-bin-laden-news-guarded/\">Bay Area veterans\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17976843\">congressional members\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.marinij.com/marinnews/ci_17977730\">Marinites\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.timesheraldonline.com/news/ci_17980816?source=rss\">Vallejo students\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/05/02/fremonts-afghanis-react-to-osama-bin-ladens-death/\">Fremont Afghans\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/bay-area/2011/05/locals-react-osama-bin-laden-s-death\">morning commuters\u003c/a> -- you name it, they've been interviewed about their reaction to the death of American Enemy No. 1.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taking the pulse of the wider culture, a fair amount of \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumphalism\">triumphalism\u003c/a> has obtained. To view that in its purest form, watch this \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8ko4x5ukg&feature=player_embedded\">video\u003c/a> of Philadelphians reacting to the announcement of bin Laden's death at a Mets-Phillies game:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_26171\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 180px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/Chris_hedges.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/Chris_hedges-240x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"Chris_hedges\" width=\"180\" height=\"225\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-26171\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chris Hedges\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Yesterday, journalist/author/contrarian Chris Hedges was on KQED Radio's \u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201105020900\">Forum\u003c/a> discussing bin Laden's death. Hedges, who was the Middle East Bureau Chief for The New York Times and has written extensively on terrorism and the war on terror, was speaking at a fundraising event for the web site TruthDig when he was informed of the news. (Here's the \u003ca href=\"http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/chris_hedges_speaks_on_osama_bin_ladens_death_20110502/\">full text\u003c/a> of his expression of dubiousness about any speculated benefits of bin Laden's death.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NPR has a story up called \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2011/05/03/135927693/is-it-wrong-to-celebrate-bin-ladens-death\">Is It Wrong To Celebrate Bin Laden's Death?\u003c/a> Yesterday I asked that, in so many words, of Hedges:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Me: Do you think this kind of emotional reaction is not helpful, this kind of national catharsis and triumphalism?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chris Hedges: Yeah, it's sick. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Me: You think it's sick.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chris Hedges: Of course it is. I'm not in any way against the hunting down of bin Laden. But it's a tragic event; the whole thing is tragic. I was in New York when the plane hit and I walked down the West Side Highway in time to flee with everyone else, when Building 7 collapsed. And I was on the site with the small tiny pieces of flesh that we were finding -- a foot in a shoe, this kind of stuff. The attacks are not in any way an abstraction to me. The full horror of it wsa thrust in my face... \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I support the effort, the intelligence effort to break Al Qaeda. I think that the intelligence operatives probably had no choice in that he certainly resisted capture with violence; at least that's what he said he'd always do. But I don't rejoice in it. And I think I also don't rejoice in it, because as a war correspondent, I've been in so many firefights, that I know how venal, dirty, and ugly that kind of activity is. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>An opposing view to this is expressed in this popular Facebook status, as reported in the previously mentioned NPR article. The quote is attributed to \u003cdel datetime=\"2011-05-03T19:48:24+00:00\">Mark Twain\u003c/del> (It's actually from \u003ca href=\"http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20110503/ts_atlantic/marktwaindidntsaythingaboutobituaries37279_1\">Clarence Darrow\u003c/a>, reader \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/05/03/author-chris-hedges-on-reaction-to-the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden/#comments\">KiltBear\u003c/a> points out):\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/26146/author-chris-hedges-on-reaction-to-the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"tags":["news_1330","news_15","news_740","news_205","news_1324"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_26051":{"type":"posts","id":"news_26051","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"26051","score":null,"sort":[1304374478000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"fremonts-afghanis-react-to-osama-bin-ladens-death","title":"Audio: Fremont's Afghans React to Osama Bin Laden's Death","publishDate":1304374478,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Audio: Fremont’s Afghans React to Osama Bin Laden’s Death | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>KQED’s Shuka Kalantari today visited Fremont’s “\u003ca href=\"http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_4_fremont-ca-afghans.html\">Little Kabul\u003c/a>” district to get a feel for how this community of Afghani refugees, many of whom emigrated after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, is reacting to the death of Osama Bin Laden at the hands of American special forces. Her interviews below:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\nAsad Saleh has owned the Little Kabul Market for six years and has been living in Fremont for three decades. He is worried about his cousins, aunts and uncles still living in Afghanistan, whom he fears could experience a backlash from fundamentalists.\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulAsadSaleh.mp3\">Asad Saleh: “The Big Devil is gone”\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulAsadSaleh.mp3|titles=LittleKabulAsadSaleh]\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Sahar Omar, originally from Kabul, works at Afghan Bazaar on Fremont Street, in the heart of Little Kabul. She came to Fremont in 1998 and currently lives in San Ramon. Last night, after the news broke, she got a congralulatory call from her cousins in Kabul. She says she’s happy that Bin Laden was killed and that all the Afghanis she’s talked to today feel the same, but she is scared about what will happen to her family in Afghanistan. She’s afraid that extremists in mourning will retaliate.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulSaharOmar.mp3\">Sahar Omar: “It’s good news that someone like him is dead”\u003c/a> \u003c/em>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulSaharOmar.mp3|titles=LittleKabulSaharOmar]\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cli>Mahamad Atiffi was interviewed while waiting outside of De Afghanan Kabob house on Fremont Blvd to order food. He’s lived in Livermore for 30 years and came to the U.S. because of the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan. He says he worked for the U.S. Army in Afghanistan in 2008 and 2009. “My role was to help to find the terrorists, that’s all I can tell you,” he said. He has brothers, sisters and cousins in Kabul.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/littlekabulmahamedatiffi.mp3\">\u003cem>Mahamad Atiffi: “I never did like the guy.”\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/littlekabulmahamedatiffi.mp3|titles=littlekabulmahamedatiffi]\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Marshall Baber was outside of De Afghanan Kabob House on Fremont Blvd to fix an electrical problem. He’s lived in the Fremont area for over 30 years and has returned to visit Afghanistan a few times. He’s originally from Kandar. He says Bin Laden’s death is good news for Afghanistan and calls Bin Laden an ‘icon of terrorism,’ but he thinks He was in Afghanistan last year, he has his sister there. He’s worried about her, but he says Afghanistan is a country that has been at war for his whole life. He’s concerned the U.S. will drop their commitment to Afghanistan now that Bin Laden is dead. He wants the U.S. to be more aggressive in Pakistan.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulMarshall.mp3\">Marshall Baber: “This guy was an icon of terrorism.”\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulMarshall.mp3|titles=LittleKabulMarshall]\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cp>Related:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_4_fremont-ca-afghans.html\">The Afghans of Fremont\u003c/a> (City Journal)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/ul>\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1685494548,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":530},"headData":{"title":"Audio: Fremont's Afghans React to Osama Bin Laden's Death | KQED","description":"KQED's Shuka Kalantari today visited Fremont's "Little Kabul" district to get a feel for how this community of Afghani refugees, many of whom emigrated after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, is reacting to the death of Osama Bin Laden at the hands of American special forces. 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Her interviews below:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\nAsad Saleh has owned the Little Kabul Market for six years and has been living in Fremont for three decades. He is worried about his cousins, aunts and uncles still living in Afghanistan, whom he fears could experience a backlash from fundamentalists.\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulAsadSaleh.mp3\">Asad Saleh: “The Big Devil is gone”\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulAsadSaleh.mp3|titles=LittleKabulAsadSaleh"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/05/LittleKabulAsadSaleh.mp3|titles=LittleKabulAsadSaleh"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Sahar Omar, originally from Kabul, works at Afghan Bazaar on Fremont Street, in the heart of Little Kabul. She came to Fremont in 1998 and currently lives in San Ramon. 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He’s lived in Livermore for 30 years and came to the U.S. because of the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan. He says he worked for the U.S. Army in Afghanistan in 2008 and 2009. “My role was to help to find the terrorists, that’s all I can tell you,” he said. 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