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Can Conversation Between Survivors Help?","publishDate":1508602957,"format":"audio","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Jill Permutt and Joan Tanzer live in different cities, and have never met in person, but now they are connected through a tragic similarity: they have both lost their homes in fires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Permutt and her husband fled their home in Santa Rosa during the wildfires last week. Tanzer lost her house in the Oakland Hills fire in 1991.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Until last week, the two women were strangers. But then a mutual friend told Tanzer about Permutt, about how her entire neighborhood in Santa Rosa had just burned to the ground. Tanzer called her right away, and since then they’ve talked several times on the phone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cb>\"You've lost everything in your life. Now you have to write it all down.\"\u003c/b>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tanzer and her husband are retired and now live in the small town of Aptos, south of Santa Cruz. Permutt and her husband are staying at a hotel in Santa Rosa. During her conversations with Permutt, Tanzer is \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">sympathetic, but also blunt about how hard the recovery process can be. She says it took her 15 years to really rebuild her life and identity after the Oakland fire.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11625182\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11625182 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jill Permutt and her husband are staying in a hotel in Santa Rosa. Their house burned down in the recent fires. \u003ccite>(Sarah Hossaini/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tanzer's daughter was only 8 at the time of the Oakland fire, so helping her cope was an important part of the process. And that disaster occurred during the pre-Internet age, when you couldn't save electronic copies of anything to \"the cloud.\" When the Tanzers fled their home, Joan managed to grab a few photo albums, but the rest of the photos were lost. She did manage to rebuild some of the family history later, by asking friends and relatives to comb through their own collections for photos of the Tanzers, and send her copies. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624984\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624984\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-800x526.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"526\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-800x526.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-160x105.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-1020x670.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-960x631.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-240x158.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-375x246.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-520x342.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut.jpg 1166w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tanzer and her family in front of their home before it burned down in a fire. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Joan Tanzer)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624990\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624990\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A sculpture Joan Tanzer's then 8-year old daughter made from burned forks salvaged from the fire that destroyed their home. Sasha Khokha/KQED \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In some ways, the recovery process will be different for Permutt. She kept a lot of financial documents online. Some of her treasured photos are backed up. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And all three of her kids are grown and gone, living elsewhere, with their own careers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Tazner warned Permutt that she and her husband are in for a stressful time.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Kiss your hubby a lot,\" Tanzer advised. \"Really, you've got to take care of yourself and your twosome. I really think that that got overlooked. We had a support group afterwards. There were 13 of us, seven divorces. These weren't new marriages, these were established marriages. The strain of even renovation is a big factor in divorce. But doing this is just crazy.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tanzer's support group in Oakland was called the Optimists. The neighbors swapped tips on dealing with insurance, and talked about how to help their kids feel safe again. Tanzer, for example, changed her work schedule so she could spend more time with her young daughter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Life after fire can be surprising\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tanzer says life after the fire was full of surprises, both good and bad. Stores gave her discounts , and co-workers left little gifts on her desk — practical things, like pantyhose and underwear. They even threw her a fire recovery shower — kind of like a bridal shower, to replace all the pots and pans and household things she had lost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Santa Rosa, people have been doing wonderful things for Permutt and her husband, too. Some have dropped meals off at the hotel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11625256\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 699px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11625256\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117.jpg\" alt=\"The Oakland Tribune's cover showing the aftermath of the Oakland Hills Fire. \" width=\"699\" height=\"1014\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117.jpg 699w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117-160x232.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117-240x348.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117-375x544.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117-520x754.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 699px) 100vw, 699px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Oakland Tribune's cover showing the aftermath of the Oakland Hills fire.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>All that attention can be healing for fire victims, Tanzer said. But it can sometimes feel invasive, too. After the Oakland fire, her neighborhood became a kind of spectacle. For example, a bus full of Japanese tourists once drove through the neighborhood while she was digging through the rubble of her home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were coming out of the bus to take our picture, as if it were some other kind of entertainment. That really upset us,\" Tanzer recalled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was almost Halloween, so Tanzer put a pumpkin out, right in front of her burned house. She wrote on it with a marker: \"Keep Out! This is still our home!!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624987\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624987\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-800x522.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"522\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-800x522.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-160x104.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-1020x666.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-1180x770.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-960x627.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-240x157.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-375x245.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-520x339.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut.jpg 1345w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tanzer says her burnt neighborhood became a tourist spectacle after the 1991 Oakland firestorm. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Joan Tanzer)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When she’s talking to Permutt, Tanzer shares lots of stories like that one — the bizarre and surprising tales, along with the moments of loss.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One surprise for her was feeling the trauma of losing her home in her body, physically. \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When she was cooking in her new kitchen, she’d still reach out to grab for a spatula in the place it used to be, and her had would grab emptiness. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You can't figure out why you have such a bad headache after you made a bunch of pancakes,\" Tanzer said. \"Because nothing is where you thought it was.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One way Tanzer coped with the fire was through art. For months after the fire, she collected boxes of debris from their old property, remnants of her old life, like blackened coins, twisted forks, and a melted menorah. She used some of the materials to make sculptures and collages. It was a kind of therapy for her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624988\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624988\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Debris collected from the rubble of Tanzer's house. She uses the pieces to make art pieces. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624989\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624989\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-160x240.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-1180x1770.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-960x1440.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-240x360.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-375x563.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-520x780.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Art made from the rubble of Tanzer's burnt home. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Tanzer hopes her stories will help Permutt prepare for the strange psychological space she will have to inhabit in the coming months and years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11625183\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11625183\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-800x1242.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1242\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-800x1242.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-160x248.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-1020x1584.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-1920x2981.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-1180x1832.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-960x1490.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-240x373.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-375x582.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-520x807.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jill Permutt shows off a dress that she got as a donation from a thrift store. The dress she planned to wear to her son's wedding was destroyed in the fire. \u003ccite>(Sarah Hossaini/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Permutt said some of Tanzer's advice has been great, but she can’t absorb all of it right away. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the practical tips have been quite helpful, Permutt said, including Tanzer's referring her to a trustworthy public adjuster, the same one Tanzer used after the Oakland Hills fire. Public adjusters help catalogue lost belongings and negotiate with insurance, in return for a cut of the claim.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Tanzer knows that many people affected by the fire don't even have insurance. \"This is a disaster upon disaster. It's not just an emotional disaster but it's such a huge financial disaster. The people who will lose their jobs, as well as their dwellings. And what happens to them? What resources are available to them? What about the people who work for the wineries?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What not to say to a fire survivor\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For the many Californians who want to reach out and help , Tanzer has advice about what \u003cem>not\u003c/em> to say to a fire victim: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\"\u003c/span>Don't say 'What can I do for you?'\" she instructed. \"Say 'First I'm going to bring over this to you' [or] 'Where will you be? I'm going to bring this for you,' 'What do you want me to store for you because you don't have a big place...'\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Say what you're going to do,\" Tanzer explained. \"Don't make them think. Just make the offer.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tanzer's phone is ringing a lot these days. Other survivors of the Wine Country fires are calling, eager to hear from someone who’s actually gotten through this, and can talk to them from the other side.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s therapeutic for her, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It makes me feel like something good can come out of the fire, if I can help somebody else.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Bay Curious recently gathered \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/20/advice-from-one-wildfire-survivor-to-another/\">advice from fire survivors\u003c/a> and a KQED listener gave \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/19/parenting-through-disaster-advice-from-a-mom-who-did-it/\">advice to parents\u003c/a> during the recovery process.\u003c/em> \u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"An Oakland Hills fire survivor reaches out to a woman in Santa Rosa, with some tips for getting through the tragedy - and some unexpected advice. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1508614759,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":34,"wordCount":1354},"headData":{"title":"Two Wildfires, 26 Years Apart. Can Conversation Between Survivors Help? | KQED","description":"An Oakland Hills fire survivor reaches out to a woman in Santa Rosa, with some tips for getting through the tragedy - and some unexpected advice. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"11624948 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11624948","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/21/two-wildfires-26-years-apart-can-conversation-between-survivors-help/","disqusTitle":"Two Wildfires, 26 Years Apart. Can Conversation Between Survivors Help?","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/10/FireSurvivorAdvice.mp3","nprByline":"\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha\u003c/strong>","path":"/news/11624948/two-wildfires-26-years-apart-can-conversation-between-survivors-help","audioDuration":423000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Jill Permutt and Joan Tanzer live in different cities, and have never met in person, but now they are connected through a tragic similarity: they have both lost their homes in fires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Permutt and her husband fled their home in Santa Rosa during the wildfires last week. Tanzer lost her house in the Oakland Hills fire in 1991.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Until last week, the two women were strangers. But then a mutual friend told Tanzer about Permutt, about how her entire neighborhood in Santa Rosa had just burned to the ground. Tanzer called her right away, and since then they’ve talked several times on the phone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cb>\"You've lost everything in your life. Now you have to write it all down.\"\u003c/b>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tanzer and her husband are retired and now live in the small town of Aptos, south of Santa Cruz. Permutt and her husband are staying at a hotel in Santa Rosa. During her conversations with Permutt, Tanzer is \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">sympathetic, but also blunt about how hard the recovery process can be. She says it took her 15 years to really rebuild her life and identity after the Oakland fire.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11625182\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11625182 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27663_IMG_6238-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jill Permutt and her husband are staying in a hotel in Santa Rosa. Their house burned down in the recent fires. \u003ccite>(Sarah Hossaini/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tanzer's daughter was only 8 at the time of the Oakland fire, so helping her cope was an important part of the process. And that disaster occurred during the pre-Internet age, when you couldn't save electronic copies of anything to \"the cloud.\" When the Tanzers fled their home, Joan managed to grab a few photo albums, but the rest of the photos were lost. She did manage to rebuild some of the family history later, by asking friends and relatives to comb through their own collections for photos of the Tanzers, and send her copies. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624984\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624984\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-800x526.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"526\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-800x526.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-160x105.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-1020x670.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-960x631.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-240x158.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-375x246.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut-520x342.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27573_Joan1-qut.jpg 1166w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tanzer and her family in front of their home before it burned down in a fire. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Joan Tanzer)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624990\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624990\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27630__DSC0619-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A sculpture Joan Tanzer's then 8-year old daughter made from burned forks salvaged from the fire that destroyed their home. Sasha Khokha/KQED \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In some ways, the recovery process will be different for Permutt. She kept a lot of financial documents online. Some of her treasured photos are backed up. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And all three of her kids are grown and gone, living elsewhere, with their own careers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Tazner warned Permutt that she and her husband are in for a stressful time.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Kiss your hubby a lot,\" Tanzer advised. \"Really, you've got to take care of yourself and your twosome. I really think that that got overlooked. We had a support group afterwards. There were 13 of us, seven divorces. These weren't new marriages, these were established marriages. The strain of even renovation is a big factor in divorce. But doing this is just crazy.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tanzer's support group in Oakland was called the Optimists. The neighbors swapped tips on dealing with insurance, and talked about how to help their kids feel safe again. Tanzer, for example, changed her work schedule so she could spend more time with her young daughter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Life after fire can be surprising\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tanzer says life after the fire was full of surprises, both good and bad. Stores gave her discounts , and co-workers left little gifts on her desk — practical things, like pantyhose and underwear. They even threw her a fire recovery shower — kind of like a bridal shower, to replace all the pots and pans and household things she had lost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Santa Rosa, people have been doing wonderful things for Permutt and her husband, too. Some have dropped meals off at the hotel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11625256\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 699px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11625256\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117.jpg\" alt=\"The Oakland Tribune's cover showing the aftermath of the Oakland Hills Fire. \" width=\"699\" height=\"1014\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117.jpg 699w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117-160x232.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117-240x348.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117-375x544.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Screencap-102117-520x754.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 699px) 100vw, 699px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Oakland Tribune's cover showing the aftermath of the Oakland Hills fire.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>All that attention can be healing for fire victims, Tanzer said. But it can sometimes feel invasive, too. After the Oakland fire, her neighborhood became a kind of spectacle. For example, a bus full of Japanese tourists once drove through the neighborhood while she was digging through the rubble of her home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were coming out of the bus to take our picture, as if it were some other kind of entertainment. That really upset us,\" Tanzer recalled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was almost Halloween, so Tanzer put a pumpkin out, right in front of her burned house. She wrote on it with a marker: \"Keep Out! This is still our home!!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624987\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624987\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-800x522.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"522\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-800x522.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-160x104.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-1020x666.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-1180x770.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-960x627.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-240x157.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-375x245.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut-520x339.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27572_Joan4-qut.jpg 1345w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tanzer says her burnt neighborhood became a tourist spectacle after the 1991 Oakland firestorm. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Joan Tanzer)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When she’s talking to Permutt, Tanzer shares lots of stories like that one — the bizarre and surprising tales, along with the moments of loss.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One surprise for her was feeling the trauma of losing her home in her body, physically. \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When she was cooking in her new kitchen, she’d still reach out to grab for a spatula in the place it used to be, and her had would grab emptiness. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You can't figure out why you have such a bad headache after you made a bunch of pancakes,\" Tanzer said. \"Because nothing is where you thought it was.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One way Tanzer coped with the fire was through art. For months after the fire, she collected boxes of debris from their old property, remnants of her old life, like blackened coins, twisted forks, and a melted menorah. She used some of the materials to make sculptures and collages. It was a kind of therapy for her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624988\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624988\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27622__DSC0611-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Debris collected from the rubble of Tanzer's house. She uses the pieces to make art pieces. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11624989\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11624989\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-800x1200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-160x240.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-1180x1770.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-960x1440.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-240x360.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-375x563.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut-520x780.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27646__DSC0635-qut.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Art made from the rubble of Tanzer's burnt home. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Tanzer hopes her stories will help Permutt prepare for the strange psychological space she will have to inhabit in the coming months and years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11625183\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11625183\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-800x1242.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1242\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-800x1242.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-160x248.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-1020x1584.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-1920x2981.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-1180x1832.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-960x1490.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-240x373.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-375x582.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27664_alt_646-520x807.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jill Permutt shows off a dress that she got as a donation from a thrift store. The dress she planned to wear to her son's wedding was destroyed in the fire. \u003ccite>(Sarah Hossaini/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Permutt said some of Tanzer's advice has been great, but she can’t absorb all of it right away. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the practical tips have been quite helpful, Permutt said, including Tanzer's referring her to a trustworthy public adjuster, the same one Tanzer used after the Oakland Hills fire. Public adjusters help catalogue lost belongings and negotiate with insurance, in return for a cut of the claim.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Tanzer knows that many people affected by the fire don't even have insurance. \"This is a disaster upon disaster. It's not just an emotional disaster but it's such a huge financial disaster. The people who will lose their jobs, as well as their dwellings. And what happens to them? What resources are available to them? What about the people who work for the wineries?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What not to say to a fire survivor\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For the many Californians who want to reach out and help , Tanzer has advice about what \u003cem>not\u003c/em> to say to a fire victim: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\"\u003c/span>Don't say 'What can I do for you?'\" she instructed. \"Say 'First I'm going to bring over this to you' [or] 'Where will you be? I'm going to bring this for you,' 'What do you want me to store for you because you don't have a big place...'\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Say what you're going to do,\" Tanzer explained. \"Don't make them think. Just make the offer.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tanzer's phone is ringing a lot these days. Other survivors of the Wine Country fires are calling, eager to hear from someone who’s actually gotten through this, and can talk to them from the other side.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s therapeutic for her, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It makes me feel like something good can come out of the fire, if I can help somebody else.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Bay Curious recently gathered \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/20/advice-from-one-wildfire-survivor-to-another/\">advice from fire survivors\u003c/a> and a KQED listener gave \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/19/parenting-through-disaster-advice-from-a-mom-who-did-it/\">advice to parents\u003c/a> during the recovery process.\u003c/em> \u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11624948/two-wildfires-26-years-apart-can-conversation-between-survivors-help","authors":["byline_news_11624948"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_18159","news_18","news_20260","news_1986","news_474","news_21816","news_17286"],"featImg":"news_11624982","label":"news_72"},"news_43840":{"type":"posts","id":"news_43840","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"43840","score":null,"sort":[1319248147000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"oakland-firestorm-anniversary-events-on-saturday-photographers-audio-diary","title":"Oakland Firestorm Anniversary: Events on Saturday, Photographer's Audio Diary","publishDate":1319248147,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Events on Saturday, from the \u003ca href=\"http://www.contracostatimes.com/bay-area-news/ci_19158331\">\u003cstrong>Oakland Tribune\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>: \u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>9 a.m.: Reflection at Firestorm Tile Wall, Rockridge BART station.\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>10:30 a.m.: Remembrance at Gateway Emergency, Preparedness Exhibit Center at Tunnel Road and Caldecott Lane. Formal civic ceremony with leaders from Oakland, Berkeley and firestorm community.\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>Noon: Family Preparedness Fair, Lake Temescal, 6500 Broadway (north entrance). Fun and informative event for families and friends, Smokey Bear, firetrucks, face painting and jumpy house; information on family preparedness for earthquakes and fires.\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>10 a.m.-2 p.m. Disaster Preparedness Workshop, King Middle School, 1781 Rose St. in Berkeley. \u003c/li>\u003c/ul>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Check out this compelling \u003ca href=\"http://bcove.me/vn8szec0\">audio slideshow\u003c/a> from the Contra Costa Times, called \"20 Years Later: A photographer's diary of the Oakland firestorm.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cobject id=\"flashObj\" width=\"620\" height=\"349\" classid=\"D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=9,0,47,0\">\u003cparam name=\"movie\" value=\"http://c.brightcove.com/services/viewer/federated_f9?isVid=1&isUI=1\">\u003cparam name=\"bgcolor\" value=\"#FFFFFF\">\u003cparam name=\"flashVars\" value=\"videoId=1229289561001&playerID=76675347001&playerKey=AQ~~,AAAAAGAhL8Q~,DBXxue4IU-drX4cFtzhMJl0L0OZn0fe6&domain=embed&dynamicStreaming=true\">\u003cparam name=\"base\" value=\"http://admin.brightcove.com\">\u003cparam name=\"seamlesstabbing\" value=\"false\">\u003cparam name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\">\u003cparam name=\"swLiveConnect\" value=\"true\">\u003cparam name=\"allowScriptAccess\" value=\"always\">\u003cembed src=\"http://c.brightcove.com/services/viewer/federated_f9?isVid=1&isUI=1\" bgcolor=\"#FFFFFF\" flashvars=\"videoId=1229289561001&playerID=76675347001&playerKey=AQ~~,AAAAAGAhL8Q~,DBXxue4IU-drX4cFtzhMJl0L0OZn0fe6&domain=embed&dynamicStreaming=true\" base=\"http://admin.brightcove.com\" name=\"flashObj\" width=\"620\" height=\"349\" type=\"application/x-shockwave-flash\" pluginspage=\"http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash\">\u003c/embed>\u003c/object>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1398475648,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":5,"wordCount":122},"headData":{"title":"Oakland Firestorm Anniversary: Events on Saturday, Photographer's Audio Diary | KQED","description":"Events on Saturday, from the Oakland Tribune: 9 a.m.: Reflection at Firestorm Tile Wall, Rockridge BART station. 10:30 a.m.: Remembrance at Gateway Emergency, Preparedness Exhibit Center at Tunnel Road and Caldecott Lane. 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The catastrophe predated digital cameras, but that hasn’t stopped the community from scanning and uploading photographs into Flickr.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Emergency Management Agency (CalEMA) was gracious enough to add some of their archive to our group. Some Flickr users have uploaded their photos too, including some incredibly haunting black and white images by Ellen Soohoo and some dramatic color images by Mary MacTavish.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We started a Flickr Pool for archive photos \u003ca href=\"http://www.flickr.com/groups/oaklandhillsfire/pool/with/183739024/\">here\u003c/a>, so if you have some you’d like to share, please join the group and \u003ca href=\"http://www.flickr.com/groups/oaklandhillsfire/pool/add/\">add yours\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you haven’t already seen them, the Oakland Museum of California and BAM/PFA are showing \u003ca href=\"http://museumca.org/exhibit/in-memory-photos-richard-misrach\">a new exhibit\u003c/a> of photographs by Richard Misrach, which “have remained in storage with limited visibility to the public.” The museum made a selection available to the media to use, which are in the slideshow below, produced by our web intern Michelle Gachet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http://www.kqed.org/assets/slideshow/oaklandfire/_files/iframe.html\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"500\" height=\"400\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/43647/oakland-hills-fire-archival-photos","authors":["1249"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8"],"tags":["news_881","news_18","news_1986"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_43499":{"type":"posts","id":"news_43499","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"43499","score":null,"sort":[1319057215000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"oakland-firestorm-anniversary-the-fight-over-eucalyptus-trees-continues","title":"Oakland Firestorm Anniversary: The Fight Over Eucalyptus Trees Continues","publishDate":1319057215,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Oakland Firestorm Anniversary: The Fight Over Eucalyptus Trees Continues | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Another tree, another controversy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anyone around for the Oakland-Berkeley Hills fire remembers eucalyptus trees got a lot of blame for fueling the blaze. The problem with eucalyptus? One vegetation manager I spoke to called them “junky,” meaning they spread lots of dry debris: leaves, seed pods and lower branches. They grow quickly and in dense stands, and if they catch fire their flaming bark can fly off and spread the flames. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the turn of the 20th century, developers planted two million of the trees in the East Bay hills. In their native Australia, their oils were blamed for exacerbating a series of fires in 2009, which killed almost 200 people. This \u003ca href=\"http://www.veoh.com/watch/v199623493Tc9Hnfe\">animation about eucalyptus trees’ high flammability\u003c/a> was done for a TV special:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://science.kqed.org/quest/2011/10/17/eucalyptus-fuel-for-fire/\">This post\u003c/a> by KQED’s Quest unit says “The Park Service estimates that eucalyptus was responsible for 70% of the energy released though combustion of vegetation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/29525987/index.html\">A report on KTVU\u003c/a> today quoted Sean Walsh with the Wildfire Prevention District Citizen Committee (this comes around 2:36 in the video):\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Fifteen years the Oakland Park district has been trying to work on a plan to do major hazardous brush mitigation. Eucalyptus is sort of enemy number one. 15 years we’ve been trying to take the trees out and we’re still stuck not removing them.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>The report says Walsh and others say a small band of reactionary critics are holding up the removal of the non-native fire danger, and that the Sierra Club has weighed in in favor of removing the trees and brush.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So who are the groups championing the eucalyptus and what are their arguments?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One group called POET (Preserve Our Eucalyptus Trees) was \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/1987-10-30/news/mn-11728_1_eucalyptus\">fighting for the eucalyptus\u003c/a> well before the Oakland fire. They took on the state Department of Parks and Recreation when they wanted to cut eucalyptus on Angel Island. The trees were removed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another group – the \u003ca href=\"http://www.hillsconservationnetwork.org/\">Hills Conservation Network\u003c/a> (HCN) – started 6 years ago in response to what founders saw as clear cutting in the hills by UC Berkeley. The university received 6 million dollars from FEMA to continue clearing trees, but HCN leader Dan Grassetti says the group intervened and got FEMA to ask for an Environmental Impact Study and more nuanced vegetation control strategy. A new version of the university’s plan for the hills is due for public review in January. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile HCN \u003ca href=\"http://www.hillsconservationnetwork.org/HillsConservation3/Blog/Entries/2010/5/26_HCN_files_suit_against_EBRPD.html\">filed a lawsuit\u003c/a> last year against the East Bay Regional Park District when the park district created a plan to remove eucalyptus from the East Bay hills. From HCN’s press release:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>The East Bay Regional Park District (EBRPD) plans to destroy more than 500,000 trees, adding some 100,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and a massive amount of pesticides to the environment…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Hills Conservation Network (HCN) filed suit challenging EBRPD’s vegetation management program. The lawsuit alleges numerous violations of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). If implemented, EBRPD’s program will irreparably harm the beautiful, vibrant and diverse ecosystem of the East Bay hills.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>The lawsuit settled in August 2011. Grassetti says there are plant species that everyone can agree are bad for fire control, like \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broom_%28shrub%29\">broom\u003c/a>. He says eucalyptus are a problem not because of the tree, but because of the debris it drops and advocates that the debris be cleaned more thoroughly. His argument is that native plant proponents have seized on the fire as a way of getting rid of trees that are not native to the area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2010, the New York Times ran an \u003ca href=\"http://bayarea.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/trees-fire-and-the-east-bay-hills/\">excellent story\u003c/a> about the controversy and Dan Grassetti:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Mr. Grassetti, who runs a technology training company, disputes the claim that the eucalyptus poses any more fire risks than other tree. His group, using a big fan, has done its own experiments, lighting eucalyptus leaves and and bay leaves, and seeing how far each traveled. (Eucalyptus leaves dropped to the ground.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fire management, he said, has become tangled with an effort to rid the hills of non-native plants for native ones. After the Oakland Hills 1991 fire, “the eucalyptus was scapegoated for what amounted to human failure,” he said. “There’s been a systematic effort among several agencies to take advantage of \u003ca href=\"http://www.hillsconservationnetwork.org/HillsConservation3/Native_versus_invasive.html\">people’s fear of eucalyptus\u003c/a> to get funding to do what they want to do to the land.”\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_43588\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 155px\">\u003ca href=\"http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinhaney/439357665/\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/10/eucalyptustreeSM.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"eucalyptustreeSM\" width=\"155\" height=\"206\" class=\"size-full wp-image-43588\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Eucalyptus tree on the University of California, Berkeley campus, 2007. (Photo: light7wave, Flickr)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Related: \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ebparks.org/stewardship/fireplan/bg_report#background\">East Bay Regional Park District Background on Wildfire risks\u003c/a> – “Major increases in flammable vegetation, over the past 70 years, have significantly increased the wildfire risk. Steep hillsides have been converted from grazed grasslands to brush with hillside and ridge top homes, surrounded with flammable vegetation, often under or adjacent to groves of unmaintained pine or eucalyptus.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://milliontrees.wordpress.com/fire-the-cover-story/\">Death of a Million Trees\u003c/a> – “The most frequently cited “evidence” of the flammability of eucalypts is the 1991 firestorm in the Oakland/Berkeley hills. The conventional wisdom is that eucalypts were the cause of that fire. The role the eucalypts played in the 1991 fire in the East Bay is greatly exaggerated.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1685491778,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":875},"headData":{"title":"Oakland Firestorm Anniversary: The Fight Over Eucalyptus Trees Continues | KQED","description":"Another tree, another controversy. Anyone around for the Oakland-Berkeley Hills fire remembers eucalyptus trees got a lot of blame for fueling the blaze. The problem with eucalyptus? One vegetation manager I spoke to called them "junky," meaning they spread lots of dry debris: leaves, seed pods and lower branches. They grow quickly and in dense","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/43499/oakland-firestorm-anniversary-the-fight-over-eucalyptus-trees-continues","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Another tree, another controversy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anyone around for the Oakland-Berkeley Hills fire remembers eucalyptus trees got a lot of blame for fueling the blaze. The problem with eucalyptus? One vegetation manager I spoke to called them “junky,” meaning they spread lots of dry debris: leaves, seed pods and lower branches. They grow quickly and in dense stands, and if they catch fire their flaming bark can fly off and spread the flames. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the turn of the 20th century, developers planted two million of the trees in the East Bay hills. In their native Australia, their oils were blamed for exacerbating a series of fires in 2009, which killed almost 200 people. This \u003ca href=\"http://www.veoh.com/watch/v199623493Tc9Hnfe\">animation about eucalyptus trees’ high flammability\u003c/a> was done for a TV special:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://science.kqed.org/quest/2011/10/17/eucalyptus-fuel-for-fire/\">This post\u003c/a> by KQED’s Quest unit says “The Park Service estimates that eucalyptus was responsible for 70% of the energy released though combustion of vegetation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/29525987/index.html\">A report on KTVU\u003c/a> today quoted Sean Walsh with the Wildfire Prevention District Citizen Committee (this comes around 2:36 in the video):\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Fifteen years the Oakland Park district has been trying to work on a plan to do major hazardous brush mitigation. Eucalyptus is sort of enemy number one. 15 years we’ve been trying to take the trees out and we’re still stuck not removing them.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>The report says Walsh and others say a small band of reactionary critics are holding up the removal of the non-native fire danger, and that the Sierra Club has weighed in in favor of removing the trees and brush.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So who are the groups championing the eucalyptus and what are their arguments?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One group called POET (Preserve Our Eucalyptus Trees) was \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/1987-10-30/news/mn-11728_1_eucalyptus\">fighting for the eucalyptus\u003c/a> well before the Oakland fire. They took on the state Department of Parks and Recreation when they wanted to cut eucalyptus on Angel Island. The trees were removed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another group – the \u003ca href=\"http://www.hillsconservationnetwork.org/\">Hills Conservation Network\u003c/a> (HCN) – started 6 years ago in response to what founders saw as clear cutting in the hills by UC Berkeley. The university received 6 million dollars from FEMA to continue clearing trees, but HCN leader Dan Grassetti says the group intervened and got FEMA to ask for an Environmental Impact Study and more nuanced vegetation control strategy. A new version of the university’s plan for the hills is due for public review in January. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile HCN \u003ca href=\"http://www.hillsconservationnetwork.org/HillsConservation3/Blog/Entries/2010/5/26_HCN_files_suit_against_EBRPD.html\">filed a lawsuit\u003c/a> last year against the East Bay Regional Park District when the park district created a plan to remove eucalyptus from the East Bay hills. From HCN’s press release:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>The East Bay Regional Park District (EBRPD) plans to destroy more than 500,000 trees, adding some 100,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and a massive amount of pesticides to the environment…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Hills Conservation Network (HCN) filed suit challenging EBRPD’s vegetation management program. The lawsuit alleges numerous violations of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). If implemented, EBRPD’s program will irreparably harm the beautiful, vibrant and diverse ecosystem of the East Bay hills.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>The lawsuit settled in August 2011. Grassetti says there are plant species that everyone can agree are bad for fire control, like \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broom_%28shrub%29\">broom\u003c/a>. He says eucalyptus are a problem not because of the tree, but because of the debris it drops and advocates that the debris be cleaned more thoroughly. His argument is that native plant proponents have seized on the fire as a way of getting rid of trees that are not native to the area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2010, the New York Times ran an \u003ca href=\"http://bayarea.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/trees-fire-and-the-east-bay-hills/\">excellent story\u003c/a> about the controversy and Dan Grassetti:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Mr. Grassetti, who runs a technology training company, disputes the claim that the eucalyptus poses any more fire risks than other tree. His group, using a big fan, has done its own experiments, lighting eucalyptus leaves and and bay leaves, and seeing how far each traveled. (Eucalyptus leaves dropped to the ground.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fire management, he said, has become tangled with an effort to rid the hills of non-native plants for native ones. After the Oakland Hills 1991 fire, “the eucalyptus was scapegoated for what amounted to human failure,” he said. “There’s been a systematic effort among several agencies to take advantage of \u003ca href=\"http://www.hillsconservationnetwork.org/HillsConservation3/Native_versus_invasive.html\">people’s fear of eucalyptus\u003c/a> to get funding to do what they want to do to the land.”\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_43588\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 155px\">\u003ca href=\"http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinhaney/439357665/\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/10/eucalyptustreeSM.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"eucalyptustreeSM\" width=\"155\" height=\"206\" class=\"size-full wp-image-43588\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Eucalyptus tree on the University of California, Berkeley campus, 2007. (Photo: light7wave, Flickr)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Related: \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ebparks.org/stewardship/fireplan/bg_report#background\">East Bay Regional Park District Background on Wildfire risks\u003c/a> – “Major increases in flammable vegetation, over the past 70 years, have significantly increased the wildfire risk. Steep hillsides have been converted from grazed grasslands to brush with hillside and ridge top homes, surrounded with flammable vegetation, often under or adjacent to groves of unmaintained pine or eucalyptus.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://milliontrees.wordpress.com/fire-the-cover-story/\">Death of a Million Trees\u003c/a> – “The most frequently cited “evidence” of the flammability of eucalypts is the 1991 firestorm in the Oakland/Berkeley hills. The conventional wisdom is that eucalypts were the cause of that fire. The role the eucalypts played in the 1991 fire in the East Bay is greatly exaggerated.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/43499/oakland-firestorm-anniversary-the-fight-over-eucalyptus-trees-continues","authors":["252"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8"],"tags":["news_787","news_881","news_18","news_1986"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_43381":{"type":"posts","id":"news_43381","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"43381","score":null,"sort":[1318977303000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"oakland-firestorm-anniversary-citys-interim-chief-recalls-hard-decisions-act-of-selflessness","title":"Oakland Firestorm Anniversary: City's Interim Chief Recalls Hard Decisions, Act of Selflessness","publishDate":1318977303,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>As part of KQED's coverage of the 20th anniversary of the Oakland firestorm, Rachel Dornhelm talked to Mark Hoffman, currently the city's Interim Fire Chief who in 1991 was a lieutenant on the front lines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The conversation occurred just above Hillcrest School in the Oakland Hills last Tuesday, on the corner of Margurite and Hermosa, where firefighters established a line after having to abandon a spot at which they first tried to make a stand just down the street. At that location, Hoffman said, they watched a whole cul-de-sac of houses go up, throwing all their hoses haphazardly into a truck before racing away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">[googlemaps https://maps.google.com/maps?q=marguerite+drive+and+hermosa,+oakland,+ca&hl=en&sll=37.840191,-122.232224&sspn=0.004058,0.008433&vpsrc=6&hnear=Hermosa+Ave+%26+Marguerite+Dr,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94618&t=m&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=37.840443,-122.23204&spn=0.007541,0.019183&z=14&output=embed&w=425&h=350]\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"http://maps.google.com/maps?q=marguerite+drive+and+hermosa,+oakland,+ca&hl=en&sll=37.840191,-122.232224&sspn=0.004058,0.008433&vpsrc=6&hnear=Hermosa+Ave+%26+Marguerite+Dr,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94618&t=m&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=37.840443,-122.23204&spn=0.007541,0.019183&z=14&source=embed\">View Larger Map\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hoffman talked about his assignment that day: coordinating 50-60 firefighters in an effort to extinguish the conflagration. Transcript below the audio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/10/HoffmanOakFire.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Oakland Interim Fire Chief Hoffman recalls the 1991 firestorm\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/10/HoffmanOakFire.mp3|titles=HoffmanOakFire]\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mark Hoffman\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nI was off duty on the day the fire broke out. I became aware of it early on when my parents called me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I responded to my normal assignment. I was coordinating all the people who showed up. It looked like a hiring hall. There were probably 50-60 firefighters out in front of the station holding their equipment. A handful were Oakland firefighters and a lot were from other agencies\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you drive around this neighborhood now, you'll see all the homes this way that were saved. And we just gave up this one area; we did not have the resources to protect everything. We started to deploy lines, and I started to put together a game plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The gentleman who lived in that house at the time ran up and said thank God you're here, are you going to be able to save my house? I said no, you're on the wrong side, I've given up this block. We're protecting this side and keeping the fire from going down the hill.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\n\u003cp>I choke up even now. You're told you're going to lose all your belongings, and to process it almost immediately and to say well how can I help my neighbors?\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>He didn't even skip a beat and said \"well how can I help you?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I choke up even now. You're told you're going to lose all your belongings, and to process it almost immediately and to say well how can I help my neighbors? This guy wins the award for selfless acts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When we were up here fighting the fire we were wearing heavy coats and boots and helmets; we didn't have the right equipment to do wildland suppression effectively. A lot of fatigue, a lot of dehydration occurred because of how we were attired. And other than maybe half a day talking about how fires sometimes occur in the wilderness, when I came in way back when that was all the training I had in the way of wildland firefighting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now hopefully with vegetation management and dependable space and better building materials it won't impact the residents as severely, but it still will impact some residents and it will burn at some point again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're training better and we're vigilant. 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