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Now a video being circulated on the Internet apparently offers an unobstructed view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/nSXmUWbyGpQ?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"420\" height=\"315\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nothing much happens in this video. AnteboyanROX, who posted it, \u003ca href=\"http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%C3%96ppnade%20en%20ny%20HP%20laptop%20ur%20f%C3%B6rpackningen%20och%20skulle%20starta%20ig%C3%A5ng%20den%20men%20m%C3%A4rkte%20att%20den%20va%20redan%20installerad%20och%20klar%2C%20verkade%20lite%20konstigt!%20Letade%20runt%20i%20datorn%20och%20hittade%20efter%20ett%20tag%20en%20video%20bland%20%22Mina%20Dokument%22%20d%C3%A4r%20man%20kan%20se%20anst%C3%A4llda%20prova%20och%20testa%20HP%20datorer%20i%20n%C3%A5gon%20av%20deras%20favoriter!%20N%C3%A5gon%20gl%C3%B6mde%20visst%20att%20%C3%A5terst%C3%A4lla%20just%20denna%20datorn!\">explains\u003c/a> that he or she found the video on a Hewlett Packard laptop and surmised that someone made it to test the machine in the factory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://redux.com/view/post/2333623/HP-testar-laptops-innan-leverans\">Redux\u003c/a> and other blogs say that the video was made in Quanta Chongqing Manufacturing City in Chongqing, China. Hewlett Packard's headquarters are in Palo Alto.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So why is this of interest?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Human rights groups have raised questions about labor practices at factories in China that manufacture products for American computer companies, including Quanta Computer, reportedly the largest laptop maker in the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In February, \u003ca href=\"http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-14/apple-says-fair-labor-association-began-foxconn-inspection-3-\">Apple Computer reported\u003c/a> that it was auditing Quanta factories where its products are made, according to Bloomberg..\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And in July, \u003ca href=\"http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2104&context=globaldocs\">China Labor Watch \u003c/a> reported violations at another Quanta factory, in Shanghai. Among the allegations: Workers at HP factories must stand for 10 hours at a time. Quanta hires underage workers. Works get only one or two days of rest per month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This video doesn’t prove or disprove those allegations. But it does give the kind of fly-on-the-wall view that highly produced documentaries do not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's hard to evaluate the HP video. In the last couple of minutes, the images it shows are apparently manipulated to appear as if they were coming first out of a handheld device and next as if they were on a theater screen in front of an audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I called HP to see if the video is real. Spokesman Michael Thacker confirmed that Quanta manufacturers some of its hardware. And he said he had watched the video. “I don’t know where the video came from,” he said. \"I did not see anything that led me to believe one way or the other in its authenticity,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I've also emailed Quanta, but have not yet heard back. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So for now you'll just have to watch and decide for yourself whether you've had a realistic glimpse behind the screens we spend so much time watching.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1344644869,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":16,"wordCount":377},"headData":{"title":"Video Appears to Offer Peek Inside HP Factory | KQED","description":"You may have wondered from time to time who made the device you are using to read this blog post. 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Now a video being circulated on the Internet apparently offers an unobstructed view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/nSXmUWbyGpQ?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"420\" height=\"315\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nothing much happens in this video. AnteboyanROX, who posted it, \u003ca href=\"http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%C3%96ppnade%20en%20ny%20HP%20laptop%20ur%20f%C3%B6rpackningen%20och%20skulle%20starta%20ig%C3%A5ng%20den%20men%20m%C3%A4rkte%20att%20den%20va%20redan%20installerad%20och%20klar%2C%20verkade%20lite%20konstigt!%20Letade%20runt%20i%20datorn%20och%20hittade%20efter%20ett%20tag%20en%20video%20bland%20%22Mina%20Dokument%22%20d%C3%A4r%20man%20kan%20se%20anst%C3%A4llda%20prova%20och%20testa%20HP%20datorer%20i%20n%C3%A5gon%20av%20deras%20favoriter!%20N%C3%A5gon%20gl%C3%B6mde%20visst%20att%20%C3%A5terst%C3%A4lla%20just%20denna%20datorn!\">explains\u003c/a> that he or she found the video on a Hewlett Packard laptop and surmised that someone made it to test the machine in the factory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://redux.com/view/post/2333623/HP-testar-laptops-innan-leverans\">Redux\u003c/a> and other blogs say that the video was made in Quanta Chongqing Manufacturing City in Chongqing, China. Hewlett Packard's headquarters are in Palo Alto.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So why is this of interest?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Human rights groups have raised questions about labor practices at factories in China that manufacture products for American computer companies, including Quanta Computer, reportedly the largest laptop maker in the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In February, \u003ca href=\"http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-14/apple-says-fair-labor-association-began-foxconn-inspection-3-\">Apple Computer reported\u003c/a> that it was auditing Quanta factories where its products are made, according to Bloomberg..\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And in July, \u003ca href=\"http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2104&context=globaldocs\">China Labor Watch \u003c/a> reported violations at another Quanta factory, in Shanghai. Among the allegations: Workers at HP factories must stand for 10 hours at a time. Quanta hires underage workers. Works get only one or two days of rest per month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This video doesn’t prove or disprove those allegations. But it does give the kind of fly-on-the-wall view that highly produced documentaries do not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's hard to evaluate the HP video. In the last couple of minutes, the images it shows are apparently manipulated to appear as if they were coming first out of a handheld device and next as if they were on a theater screen in front of an audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I called HP to see if the video is real. Spokesman Michael Thacker confirmed that Quanta manufacturers some of its hardware. And he said he had watched the video. “I don’t know where the video came from,” he said. \"I did not see anything that led me to believe one way or the other in its authenticity,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I've also emailed Quanta, but have not yet heard back. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So for now you'll just have to watch and decide for yourself whether you've had a realistic glimpse behind the screens we spend so much time watching.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/72852/video-appears-to-offer-peak-inside-hp-factory","authors":["1367"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_1758","news_248"],"tags":["news_713","news_450","news_694","news_2938","news_205","news_710","news_2937","news_150"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_66682":{"type":"posts","id":"news_66682","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"66682","score":null,"sort":[1338394391000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"kara-swisher-mike-daisey-go-at-it-on-twitter","title":"Kara Swisher, Mike Daisey Go at it on Twitter","publishDate":1338394391,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Remember when monologist Mike Daisey was \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/16/listen-to-marketplace-correspondant-and-ira-glass-confront-mike-daisey-about-monologue-discrepancies/\">forced to admit\u003c/a> on \u003cem>This American Life\u003c/em> that significant parts of his popular show about worker abuses at Apple contractor Foxconn's Shenzen, China plant were fabricated?\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\u003ca href=\"http://storify.com/kqednews/apple-ceo-interview-leads-to-twitter-dispute\">Exchanges between Mike Daisey and journalists Kara Swisher and Walt Mossberg over Twitter\u003c/a>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Well sensitivities around that issue are running high today, as Daisey took offense at a dig aimed at him by tech journalist Kara Swisher at AllThingsD's \u003ca href=\"http://allthingsd.com/conferences/d/d10/about/\">d10 conference\u003c/a> during an interview with Apple CEO Tim Cook.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The feud started when a \u003ca href=\"http://allthingsd.com/20120529/live-apple-ceo-tim-cooks-first-time-in-the-hot-seat-at-d/\">live blog of the interview\u003c/a> reported this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>6:43 pm: On China, Kara notes, you have many critics, and not just fictional ones (a reference to Mike Daisey). Why doesn’t Apple have its own factories in China?\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>This morning, Daisey wrote \"\u003ca href=\"http://mikedaisey.blogspot.com/2012/05/open-letter-to-allthingsd.html\">An Open Letter to AllThingsD\u003c/a>\" on his blog. From that post:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Kara and Walt—do you really think you asked hard questions tonight? Goodness, you got Cook to admit… that Ping was a failure! That’s amazing. If only you had another hour, so you could get him to tell us who he liked best on Dawson’s Creek and what kind of ice cream is best: vanilla or cookies and cream. (Trick question: it’s always cookies and cream.)\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Daisey then goes on to criticize Swisher and Mossberg in particular and tech journalists in general for fumbling the ball on the Foxconn story and functioning as cheerleaders for the industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Swisher and Daisey, naturally, have taken offense, and KQED's Ian Hill has \u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://storify.com/kqednews/apple-ceo-interview-leads-to-twitter-dispute\">Storified the online feud\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>, below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the exchanges do read a little like an online food fight, they also evoke some interesting issues. There's no doubt Daisey's theatrical monologue, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/24/mike-daisey-monologue-the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs/\">The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\u003c/a>, along with media appearances he made criticizing Apple for its relationship with Foxconn, contributed to awareness about a \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human-costs-for-workers-in-china.html?_r=1\">real issue\u003c/a>. But his piece -- which he presented as the literal truth on stage, in media appearances, and on \u003cem>This American Life\u003c/em> -- turned out to be a hyperbolic narrative about labor conditions at Foxconn that used significant fictional elements, when in fact the story was \u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/retraction?act=3\">more nuanced\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After \u003cem>This American Life\u003c/em>, which had aired the piece in its entirety, ran an \u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=460&podcast=1\">excruciatingly uncomfortable segment\u003c/a> confronting Daisey on the fabrications, Daisey struck back in a blog post:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Especially galling is how many are gleefully eager to dance on my grave expressly so they can return to ignoring everything about the circumstances under which their devices are made. Given the tone, you would think I had fabulated an elaborate hoax, filled with astonishing horrors that no one had ever seen before. Except that we all know that isn’t true.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>So is Apple getting a free pass now, because one of its leading critics was found to have misrepresented relevant information? And does Daisey have any credibility left as a critic of the company or the press? And did he ultimately do more harm than good by taking liberties with the story, as a \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/ahess247/status/207903154581405697\">Tweet by another AllThingsD journalist suggests\u003c/a>? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's how Cook responded to Kara Swisher's question about the criticism on China, from the \u003ca href=\"http://allthingsd.com/20120529/live-apple-ceo-tim-cooks-first-time-in-the-hot-seat-at-d/\">AllThingsD live blog\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"Cook: We decided a decade ago there were things Apple could do best, and that there were other things that somebody else can do as well or better.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"'Manufacturing was one of those,' Cook says, adding later, 'I think that’s still true.'\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As for China, Cook notes that Apple has been working to reduce overtime. That, he says, is tricky.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“'Some people want to work a lot. They want to move and work for a year or two, and then move back to their village and bring back as much money as they can.'\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Apple, he says, now has 95 percent compliance, and is tracking 700,000 workers in China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“'I don’t know anyone else [that] is doing this,' Cook says. 'We’re micromanaging this.'\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>In January, Apple joined the Fabor Labor Association, a watchdog group that aims to protect workers' rights around the world. In March, the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/30/significant-issues-at-foxconn-factories/\">group issued a report \u003c/a>that found \"significant\" issues with Foxconn's China operations, including more than 50 violations at three factories. \"Thousands of workers weren't properly compensated for overtime, and 43 percent of workers reported either experiencing or witnessing an accident,\" KQED's Caitlin Esch reported.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A couple of days ago, a \u003ca href=\"http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20120527000081&cid=1206&MainCatID=12\">Taiwanese business publication\u003c/a> reported that Foxconn's chairman and president said the company will \"double the minimum monthly salary of its workers in mainland China by the end of next year.\" The pay hike would come on top of earlier \u003ca href=\"http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/17/us-foxconn-pay-idUSTRE81G0M920120217\">increases\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>http://storify.com/kqednews/apple-ceo-interview-leads-to-twitter-dispute\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1338403375,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":24,"wordCount":799},"headData":{"title":"Kara Swisher, Mike Daisey Go at it on Twitter | KQED","description":"Remember when monologist Mike Daisey was forced to admit on This American Life that significant parts of his popular show about worker abuses at Apple contractor Foxconn's Shenzen, China plant were fabricated? 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Why doesn’t Apple have its own factories in China?\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>This morning, Daisey wrote \"\u003ca href=\"http://mikedaisey.blogspot.com/2012/05/open-letter-to-allthingsd.html\">An Open Letter to AllThingsD\u003c/a>\" on his blog. From that post:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Kara and Walt—do you really think you asked hard questions tonight? Goodness, you got Cook to admit… that Ping was a failure! That’s amazing. If only you had another hour, so you could get him to tell us who he liked best on Dawson’s Creek and what kind of ice cream is best: vanilla or cookies and cream. (Trick question: it’s always cookies and cream.)\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Daisey then goes on to criticize Swisher and Mossberg in particular and tech journalists in general for fumbling the ball on the Foxconn story and functioning as cheerleaders for the industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Swisher and Daisey, naturally, have taken offense, and KQED's Ian Hill has \u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://storify.com/kqednews/apple-ceo-interview-leads-to-twitter-dispute\">Storified the online feud\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>, below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the exchanges do read a little like an online food fight, they also evoke some interesting issues. There's no doubt Daisey's theatrical monologue, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/24/mike-daisey-monologue-the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs/\">The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\u003c/a>, along with media appearances he made criticizing Apple for its relationship with Foxconn, contributed to awareness about a \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human-costs-for-workers-in-china.html?_r=1\">real issue\u003c/a>. But his piece -- which he presented as the literal truth on stage, in media appearances, and on \u003cem>This American Life\u003c/em> -- turned out to be a hyperbolic narrative about labor conditions at Foxconn that used significant fictional elements, when in fact the story was \u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/retraction?act=3\">more nuanced\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After \u003cem>This American Life\u003c/em>, which had aired the piece in its entirety, ran an \u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=460&podcast=1\">excruciatingly uncomfortable segment\u003c/a> confronting Daisey on the fabrications, Daisey struck back in a blog post:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Especially galling is how many are gleefully eager to dance on my grave expressly so they can return to ignoring everything about the circumstances under which their devices are made. Given the tone, you would think I had fabulated an elaborate hoax, filled with astonishing horrors that no one had ever seen before. Except that we all know that isn’t true.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>So is Apple getting a free pass now, because one of its leading critics was found to have misrepresented relevant information? And does Daisey have any credibility left as a critic of the company or the press? And did he ultimately do more harm than good by taking liberties with the story, as a \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/ahess247/status/207903154581405697\">Tweet by another AllThingsD journalist suggests\u003c/a>? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's how Cook responded to Kara Swisher's question about the criticism on China, from the \u003ca href=\"http://allthingsd.com/20120529/live-apple-ceo-tim-cooks-first-time-in-the-hot-seat-at-d/\">AllThingsD live blog\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"Cook: We decided a decade ago there were things Apple could do best, and that there were other things that somebody else can do as well or better.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"'Manufacturing was one of those,' Cook says, adding later, 'I think that’s still true.'\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As for China, Cook notes that Apple has been working to reduce overtime. That, he says, is tricky.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“'Some people want to work a lot. They want to move and work for a year or two, and then move back to their village and bring back as much money as they can.'\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Apple, he says, now has 95 percent compliance, and is tracking 700,000 workers in China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“'I don’t know anyone else [that] is doing this,' Cook says. 'We’re micromanaging this.'\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>In January, Apple joined the Fabor Labor Association, a watchdog group that aims to protect workers' rights around the world. In March, the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/30/significant-issues-at-foxconn-factories/\">group issued a report \u003c/a>that found \"significant\" issues with Foxconn's China operations, including more than 50 violations at three factories. \"Thousands of workers weren't properly compensated for overtime, and 43 percent of workers reported either experiencing or witnessing an accident,\" KQED's Caitlin Esch reported.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A couple of days ago, a \u003ca href=\"http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20120527000081&cid=1206&MainCatID=12\">Taiwanese business publication\u003c/a> reported that Foxconn's chairman and president said the company will \"double the minimum monthly salary of its workers in mainland China by the end of next year.\" The pay hike would come on top of earlier \u003ca href=\"http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/17/us-foxconn-pay-idUSTRE81G0M920120217\">increases\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>http://storify.com/kqednews/apple-ceo-interview-leads-to-twitter-dispute\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/66682/kara-swisher-mike-daisey-go-at-it-on-twitter","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_223","news_1758","news_248"],"tags":["news_713","news_740","news_662","news_19904","news_710"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_59740":{"type":"posts","id":"news_59740","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"59740","score":null,"sort":[1332171179000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"read-mike-daiseys-response-to-this-american-life-retraction","title":"Mike Daisey Pushes Back in Blog Post ","publishDate":1332171179,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_59753\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 128px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/03/mikedaisey.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/03/mikedaisey.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"mikedaisey\" width=\"128\" height=\"128\" class=\"size-full wp-image-59753\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Monologist Mike Daisey, from his web site\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Mike Daisey is pushing back today on the mesmerizing if excruciating 57 minutes of radio that was this weekend's \"This American Life\" show. The program, titled \"\u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=460&podcast=1\">\u003cstrong>Retraction\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>,\" was an investigation and mea culpa regarding falsehoods in Daisey's monologue about abuses at Apple contractor Foxconn in China, which was broadcast on the show in January. The retraction included host Ira Glass confronting Daisey on what Glass characterized as lies in both the original program and correspondence with \"This American Life\" staff. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's Daisey's response today, \u003ca href=\"http://mikedaisey.blogspot.com/index.html\">\u003cstrong>\u003cstrong>posted on his web site\u003c/strong>\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>“Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.”\u003cbr>\n—another American monologist\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many consider this week’s THIS AMERICAN LIFE episode one of the most painful they’ve ever listened to. In particular the segment with me is excruciating—four hours of grilling edited down to fifteen minutes. I thought the dead air was a nice touch, and finishing the episode with audio pulled from my performance was masterful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s Ira’s choice, and it’s his show. He’s a storyteller within the context of radio journalism, and I am a storyteller in the theater.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">Especially galling is how many are gleefully eager to dance on my grave expressly so they can return to ignoring everything about the circumstances under which their devices are made. \u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>In the last forty-eight hours I have been equated with Stephen Glass, James Frey, and Greg Mortenson. Given the tenor of the condemnation, you would think I had concocted an elaborate, fanciful universe filled with furnaces in which babies are burned to make iPhone components, or that I never went to China, never stood outside the gates of Foxconn, never pretended to be a businessman to get inside of factories, never spoke to any workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Especially galling is how many are gleefully eager to dance on my grave expressly so they can return to ignoring everything about the circumstances under which their devices are made. Given the tone, you would think I had fabulated an elaborate hoax, filled with astonishing horrors that no one had ever seen before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Except that we all know that isn’t true.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is nothing in this controversy that contests the facts in my work about the nature of Chinese manufacturing. Nothing. I think we all know if there was, Ira would have brought it up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You certainly don’t need to listen to me. Read the New York Times reporting. Listen to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2012/03/12/148421415/apple-workers-plant-inspected-hours-before-blast\">NPR piece\u003c/a> that ran just last week in which workers at an iPad plant go on record saying the plant was inspected by Apple just hours before it exploded, and that the inspection lasted all of ten minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you think this story is bigger than that story, something is wrong with your priorities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If people want to use me as an excuse to return to denialism about the state of our manufacturing, about the shape of our world, they are doing that to themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To radio listeners: I apologized in this week’s episode to anyone who felt betrayed. I stand by that apology. But understand that if you felt something that connected you with where your devices come from—that is not a lie. That is art. That is human empathy, and it is real, and even if you curse my name I hope you’ll recognize that and continue reading, caring, and thinking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To my audiences: It’s you that I owe the most to. I want you all to know that I will not go silent—I will be making a full accounting of this work, shining a light through this monologue and telling the story of its origins, construction, and details.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I believe the truth is vitally important. I continue to believe that. I believe that I will answer for the things I have done. I told Ira that story should always be subordinate to the truth, and I still believe that. Sometimes I fall short of that goal, but I will never stop trying to achieve it.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1332173422,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":698},"headData":{"title":"Mike Daisey Pushes Back in Blog Post | KQED","description":"Mike Daisey is pushing back today on the mesmerizing if excruciating 57 minutes of radio that was this weekend's "This American Life" show. The program, titled "Retraction," was an investigation and mea culpa regarding falsehoods in Daisey's monologue about abuses at Apple contractor Foxconn in China, which was broadcast on the show in January. 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The program, titled \"\u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=460&podcast=1\">\u003cstrong>Retraction\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>,\" was an investigation and mea culpa regarding falsehoods in Daisey's monologue about abuses at Apple contractor Foxconn in China, which was broadcast on the show in January. The retraction included host Ira Glass confronting Daisey on what Glass characterized as lies in both the original program and correspondence with \"This American Life\" staff. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's Daisey's response today, \u003ca href=\"http://mikedaisey.blogspot.com/index.html\">\u003cstrong>\u003cstrong>posted on his web site\u003c/strong>\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>“Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.”\u003cbr>\n—another American monologist\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many consider this week’s THIS AMERICAN LIFE episode one of the most painful they’ve ever listened to. In particular the segment with me is excruciating—four hours of grilling edited down to fifteen minutes. I thought the dead air was a nice touch, and finishing the episode with audio pulled from my performance was masterful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s Ira’s choice, and it’s his show. He’s a storyteller within the context of radio journalism, and I am a storyteller in the theater.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">Especially galling is how many are gleefully eager to dance on my grave expressly so they can return to ignoring everything about the circumstances under which their devices are made. \u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>In the last forty-eight hours I have been equated with Stephen Glass, James Frey, and Greg Mortenson. Given the tenor of the condemnation, you would think I had concocted an elaborate, fanciful universe filled with furnaces in which babies are burned to make iPhone components, or that I never went to China, never stood outside the gates of Foxconn, never pretended to be a businessman to get inside of factories, never spoke to any workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Especially galling is how many are gleefully eager to dance on my grave expressly so they can return to ignoring everything about the circumstances under which their devices are made. Given the tone, you would think I had fabulated an elaborate hoax, filled with astonishing horrors that no one had ever seen before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Except that we all know that isn’t true.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is nothing in this controversy that contests the facts in my work about the nature of Chinese manufacturing. Nothing. I think we all know if there was, Ira would have brought it up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You certainly don’t need to listen to me. Read the New York Times reporting. Listen to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/2012/03/12/148421415/apple-workers-plant-inspected-hours-before-blast\">NPR piece\u003c/a> that ran just last week in which workers at an iPad plant go on record saying the plant was inspected by Apple just hours before it exploded, and that the inspection lasted all of ten minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you think this story is bigger than that story, something is wrong with your priorities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If people want to use me as an excuse to return to denialism about the state of our manufacturing, about the shape of our world, they are doing that to themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To radio listeners: I apologized in this week’s episode to anyone who felt betrayed. I stand by that apology. But understand that if you felt something that connected you with where your devices come from—that is not a lie. That is art. That is human empathy, and it is real, and even if you curse my name I hope you’ll recognize that and continue reading, caring, and thinking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To my audiences: It’s you that I owe the most to. I want you all to know that I will not go silent—I will be making a full accounting of this work, shining a light through this monologue and telling the story of its origins, construction, and details.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I believe the truth is vitally important. I continue to believe that. I believe that I will answer for the things I have done. I told Ira that story should always be subordinate to the truth, and I still believe that. Sometimes I fall short of that goal, but I will never stop trying to achieve it.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/59740/read-mike-daiseys-response-to-this-american-life-retraction","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_223","news_1758","news_248"],"tags":["news_713","news_2398","news_19904","news_205","news_710","news_2396"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_59689":{"type":"posts","id":"news_59689","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"59689","score":null,"sort":[1331999720000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"listen-to-this-american-lifes-mike-daisey-retraction","title":"Listen to This American Life's Mike Daisey Retraction ","publishDate":1331999720,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>In January, the radio show \"This American Life\" ran an excerpt from monologist Mike Daisey's show \"The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs,\" but now it's retracted the segment after Rob Schmitz, a reporter for another radio show, \"Marketplace,\" discovered that many of Daisey's claims were false. The show includes a highly emotional interview with Daisey about the discrepancies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/retraction\">\u003cstrong>Audio: \"This American Life\" retraction of the Mike Daisey show\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://podcast.thisamericanlife.org/special/TAL_460_Retraction_Transcript.pdf\">\u003cstrong>Transcript of the show\u003c/strong>\u003c/a> (pdf)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>KQED Radio 88.5 will also air the show at 12 p.m.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We've been covering the story -- more in these posts:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/16/this-american-life-retracts-mikes-daisey-story-of-foxconn-visit/\">'This American Life' Retracts Mike Daisey's Story of Visit to Apple Contractor Foxconn; Daisey's Response\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/16/listen-to-marketplace-correspondant-and-ira-glass-confront-mike-daisey-about-monologue-discrepancies/\">Audio: 'Marketplace' Correspondent and Ira Glass Confront Mike Daisey on Monologue Discrepancies\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://mikedaisey.com/Mike_Daisey_TATESJ_transcript.pdf\">The script of the entire \"Steve Jobs\" show\u003c/a> is available at Daisey's web site (pdf).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1332007679,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":6,"wordCount":148},"headData":{"title":"Listen to This American Life's Mike Daisey Retraction | KQED","description":"In January, the radio show "This American Life" ran an excerpt from monologist Mike Daisey's show "The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs," but now it's retracted the segment after Rob Schmitz, a reporter for another radio show, "Marketplace," discovered that many of Daisey's claims were false. 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The piece is done in conjunction with another radio program, \"This American Life,\" which said today it's retracting an excerpt it aired from Daisey's well-received theatrical monologue about abuses at Foxconn, the giant electronics manufacturer that is an important contractor of Apple's.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marketplace's China correspondent, Rob Schmitz, who first tipped off \"This American Life\" that some aspects of Daisey's \"The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\" did not jibe with his experience of Foxconn, \u003ca href=\"http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/ieconomy/acclaimed-apple-critic-made-details\">reports on what led him to believe parts of Daisey's show were fiction\u003c/a>. In the audio, you'll hear Schmitz and \"This American Life\" host Ira Glass confront Daisey personally...\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.marketplace.org/node/52210/player/storyplayer\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"650\" height=\"200\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From the transcript. (The Cathy mentioned is Cathy Lee, Daisey's translator during his trip to the Foxconn factory in China, who revealed that various details Daisey used in his monologue were false.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Rob Schmitz: Cathy says you did not talk to workers who were poisoned with hexane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Daisey: That’s correct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>RS: So you lied about that? That wasn’t what you saw?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MD: I wouldn’t express it that way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>RS: How would you express it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MD: I would say that I wanted to tell a story that captured the totality of my trip.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ira Glass: Did you meet workers like that? Or did you just read about the issue?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MD: I met workers in, um, Hong Kong, going to Apple protests who had not been poisoned by hexane but had known people who had been, and it was a constant conversation among those workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>IG: So you didn’t meet an actual worker who’d been poisoned by hexane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MD: That’s correct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daisey apologized to Ira Glass for not telling the truth to him and his listeners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Look. I’m not going to say that I didn’t take a few shortcuts in my passion to be heard. But I stand behind the work,” Daisey said. “My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your show as journalism. And it’s not journalism. It’s theater.”\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Schmitz also reports the following:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>What makes this a little complicated is that the things Daisey lied about seeing are things that have actually happened in China: Workers making Apple products have been poisoned by Hexane. Apple’s own audits show (PDF) the company has caught underage workers at a handful of its suppliers. These things are rare, but together, they form an easy-to-understand narrative about Apple.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Read the \u003ca href=\"http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/ieconomy/acclaimed-apple-critic-made-details\">full transcript here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"schmitz\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED's Kelly Wilkinson this afternoon talked to Rob Schmitz about the Daisey situation. Edited transcript:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>HOST KELLY WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Walk us through what happened when you heard about this. How did this all start?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ROB SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> Well, this started because I’m a listener to “This American Life.” I listen to the podcasts at my home in Shanghai. And I heard the broadcast that featured the adaptation of Mike Daisey’s play. And when I heard that, there were a few things in it that didn’t ring true to me as somebody who lives and works in China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of those things was he mentioned that he went to the gates of Foxconn and he saw the guards outside with guns. And I reported from several factories in China and I’ve never seen security guards with guns. In fact, security guards cannot have guns in China. It’s illegal. Only the military and the police can have guns in China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s also another part where he talks about meeting with factory workers who met in secret unions and have these meetings at Starbucks. And factory workers in China make about $200, $300 a month, and Starbucks is pricier here than it is in the States. So it didn’t make sense to me that factory workers who make so little would be meeting at Starbucks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> So then you found his translator, and what happened from there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> I was able to find his translator, and I called her and confirmed she worked with Mike Daisey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Rob, how hard was that to find her?\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\n\u003cp>He’s allowed journalists to treat him like a journalist.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> It wasn’t difficult at all. I did a Google search, and within about 10 seconds I found her phone number. When I found her, I asked her some of the details that were in the monologue, and she said that she didn’t remember it that way. And so at that point I decided to fly to Shenzhen to talk to her in person. And I downloaded a transcript of Mike Daisey’s monologue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I went to the gates of Foxconn where he went with his translator, Cathy Lee, and while we were there in front of Foxconn I went point by point through the transcript with her to confirm what happened and what didn’t happen. And I discovered that many of the details in his play, according to his translator, did not happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> What kind of details?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> Well, for example, there’s a point in the monologue where he meets workers who he says were poisoned by a neurotoxin called N-hexane. He says their hands shake uncontrollably, and they can’t pick up a glass. She doesn’t remember meeting workers like that at all. And when I confronted Mike Daisey about this, he admitted that he did not see that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> How did you come to interview Mike Daisey?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> I’m the China correspondent for “Marketplace,” so the reporting that I do, I present to my editors, and my editors then presented what they had to “This American Life.” At that point, they decided that a collaboration would be a good idea. I was then called by Ira Glass the next day, and at that point Ira set up an interview with Mike Daisey for both of us at the same time. We actually interviewed him on two separate occasions in the past week-and-a-half.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Talk about what he said when you confronted him with your investigation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> Some of the details he admitted that he did not tell the truth about. He also admitted that he lied to the producers of “This American Life” when they were fact-checking this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, he stood by a few of the details in his monologue, and he disagrees with his translator’s account of them. They are the two most emotional parts of his play. One of them is when he’s talking about underage workers that he says he met. The other part is where a man with a hand that’s been twisted into a claw talks to him and plays with his iPad. Those two parts Mike Daisey claims are true, but his translator Cathy insists -- and she says she is certain about this -- they never happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Daisey admits that in the monologue, he says he spoke with 12-year-old, 13-year-old and 14-year-old workers within the first two hours of his time outside Foxconn. When I questioned him about it he changed it to just one 13-year-old, because he wasn’t sure how old the other women were who he was talking to. But his translator Cathy says they did not speak to any underage workers. He says that she would know if they were underage, because she goes to factories all the time and this is her job. She’s been doing this for 10 years, and she would be shocked if she saw an underage worker of that age.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> You say in your piece on “Marketplace” that the reality is complicated because the things that he mentions in his play actually have happened in China, but not necessarily in the way that he describes them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> That is correct. Yes. Everything, well not everything... but, for example let’s talk about the hexane worker. That’s a story that I myself covered as a “Marketplace” reporter. I interviewed those workers. There were more than 100 workers poisoned with this chemical at a factory outside of Shanghai in the city of Suzhou. So when I heard that part of the story I thought to myself, how did these workers travel 1,000 miles away to be interviewed by Mike Daisey? It just didn’t make any sense, because these are workers that don’t have money to travel that far, plus the workers that were poisoned were not employed anymore. It just didn't make any sense to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Mike Daisey, I’m sure you’ve seen, has released a statement that he regrets airing this on “This American Life,” because it’s a journalism show, not a theatrical show. What do you make of his explanation?\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\n\u003cp>His message resonated with people because it was a simple message.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> Well, I think it’s an interesting explanation, and I think it’s disingenuous primarily because if you look at the media appearances he’s made since the running of this show began, he’s been in newspaper articles, he’s written op-eds, he’s been in magazine profiles, he’s been on CNN, he’s been on MSNBC and the list goes on and on. And in each appearance he’s allowed journalists to treat him like a journalist. And so on these appearances he says, “I have seen underage workers, I have seen poisoned workers.” He says what he saw, and then that media or that news organization takes that message and gives it to their viewers or their listeners or their readers as journalism. So I think that, in many ways, he is playing the role and has played the role of a journalist. And now what he’s saying is that he is an artist and what he’s doing is theater. I think the message seems to be changing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> And what has the reaction been like for you as you revealed that at least some of this story was fabricated?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> I’ll tell you something. I’ve had a long relationship with China. I first came here in 1996 as a Peace Corps volunteer and I’ve been back frequently. China is sort of the reason why I became a journalist. It inspired me to want to write about it and tell stories about it. I’ve invested a lot of my career in trying to accurately portray and explain this country to my listeners. So when someone like Mike Daisey comes to China, spends less than a week here and later on tells people that what he thought he saw is in fact not true, that makes my job and the job of other China correspondents here much more difficult.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Daisey’s account of being in China and talking to workers has gotten so much attention. How does that undercut the work journalists are doing in China?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> I think his message resonated with people because it was a simple message. It's easy to understand if it’s a black and white message where you know that children are making your iPhones and that the people who made your iPhones are being poisoned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The thing is, these things have happened, but the fact is these occurrences are quite rare. China has 1.2 million people right now making Apple products in the country. I think that in order to understand what life is like for all of these people, you have to just sit and think about the scale of this. At what point in our own country’s history have we had 1.2 million people making one product? Or one product for one company? I don’t think we’re ever had that. And so this is something I think that’s very complicated to understand. It’s complicated to understand that, on one hand, working at a factory in China is very grueling, and when you’re ramping up production your bosses will ask you to work more time than you might be willing to. But at the same time, these workers who I’ve talked to on many occasions, for the most part, are satisfied with the work they’re doing, and if they’re not, they can go somewhere else, because right now there’s a labor shortage in many of the factory towns in China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I think that’s a complicated message, and that doesn’t resonate as easily as this simple message that he’s putting out there which is: iPhones are made by children, Apple bad, Foxconn bad. One of my sources told me, “sign a petition, and now you’re good.” That’s a simple message.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1332173177,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":52,"wordCount":2271},"headData":{"title":"Audio: 'Marketplace' Correspondent and Ira Glass Confront Mike Daisey on Monologue Discrepancies | KQED","description":"Listen to the This American Life retraction KQED interview with Rob Schmitz Update Monday: Daisey pushes back in blog post More... Here's "Marketplace"'s segment today about the Mike Daisey-Foxconn controversy. 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The piece is done in conjunction with another radio program, \"This American Life,\" which said today it's retracting an excerpt it aired from Daisey's well-received theatrical monologue about abuses at Foxconn, the giant electronics manufacturer that is an important contractor of Apple's.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marketplace's China correspondent, Rob Schmitz, who first tipped off \"This American Life\" that some aspects of Daisey's \"The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\" did not jibe with his experience of Foxconn, \u003ca href=\"http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/ieconomy/acclaimed-apple-critic-made-details\">reports on what led him to believe parts of Daisey's show were fiction\u003c/a>. In the audio, you'll hear Schmitz and \"This American Life\" host Ira Glass confront Daisey personally...\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.marketplace.org/node/52210/player/storyplayer\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"650\" height=\"200\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From the transcript. (The Cathy mentioned is Cathy Lee, Daisey's translator during his trip to the Foxconn factory in China, who revealed that various details Daisey used in his monologue were false.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Rob Schmitz: Cathy says you did not talk to workers who were poisoned with hexane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Daisey: That’s correct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>RS: So you lied about that? That wasn’t what you saw?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MD: I wouldn’t express it that way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>RS: How would you express it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MD: I would say that I wanted to tell a story that captured the totality of my trip.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ira Glass: Did you meet workers like that? Or did you just read about the issue?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MD: I met workers in, um, Hong Kong, going to Apple protests who had not been poisoned by hexane but had known people who had been, and it was a constant conversation among those workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>IG: So you didn’t meet an actual worker who’d been poisoned by hexane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MD: That’s correct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daisey apologized to Ira Glass for not telling the truth to him and his listeners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Look. I’m not going to say that I didn’t take a few shortcuts in my passion to be heard. But I stand behind the work,” Daisey said. “My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your show as journalism. And it’s not journalism. It’s theater.”\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Schmitz also reports the following:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>What makes this a little complicated is that the things Daisey lied about seeing are things that have actually happened in China: Workers making Apple products have been poisoned by Hexane. Apple’s own audits show (PDF) the company has caught underage workers at a handful of its suppliers. These things are rare, but together, they form an easy-to-understand narrative about Apple.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Read the \u003ca href=\"http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/ieconomy/acclaimed-apple-critic-made-details\">full transcript here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"schmitz\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED's Kelly Wilkinson this afternoon talked to Rob Schmitz about the Daisey situation. Edited transcript:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>HOST KELLY WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Walk us through what happened when you heard about this. How did this all start?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ROB SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> Well, this started because I’m a listener to “This American Life.” I listen to the podcasts at my home in Shanghai. And I heard the broadcast that featured the adaptation of Mike Daisey’s play. And when I heard that, there were a few things in it that didn’t ring true to me as somebody who lives and works in China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of those things was he mentioned that he went to the gates of Foxconn and he saw the guards outside with guns. And I reported from several factories in China and I’ve never seen security guards with guns. In fact, security guards cannot have guns in China. It’s illegal. Only the military and the police can have guns in China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s also another part where he talks about meeting with factory workers who met in secret unions and have these meetings at Starbucks. And factory workers in China make about $200, $300 a month, and Starbucks is pricier here than it is in the States. So it didn’t make sense to me that factory workers who make so little would be meeting at Starbucks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> So then you found his translator, and what happened from there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> I was able to find his translator, and I called her and confirmed she worked with Mike Daisey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Rob, how hard was that to find her?\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\n\u003cp>He’s allowed journalists to treat him like a journalist.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> It wasn’t difficult at all. I did a Google search, and within about 10 seconds I found her phone number. When I found her, I asked her some of the details that were in the monologue, and she said that she didn’t remember it that way. And so at that point I decided to fly to Shenzhen to talk to her in person. And I downloaded a transcript of Mike Daisey’s monologue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I went to the gates of Foxconn where he went with his translator, Cathy Lee, and while we were there in front of Foxconn I went point by point through the transcript with her to confirm what happened and what didn’t happen. And I discovered that many of the details in his play, according to his translator, did not happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> What kind of details?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> Well, for example, there’s a point in the monologue where he meets workers who he says were poisoned by a neurotoxin called N-hexane. He says their hands shake uncontrollably, and they can’t pick up a glass. She doesn’t remember meeting workers like that at all. And when I confronted Mike Daisey about this, he admitted that he did not see that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> How did you come to interview Mike Daisey?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> I’m the China correspondent for “Marketplace,” so the reporting that I do, I present to my editors, and my editors then presented what they had to “This American Life.” At that point, they decided that a collaboration would be a good idea. I was then called by Ira Glass the next day, and at that point Ira set up an interview with Mike Daisey for both of us at the same time. We actually interviewed him on two separate occasions in the past week-and-a-half.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Talk about what he said when you confronted him with your investigation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> Some of the details he admitted that he did not tell the truth about. He also admitted that he lied to the producers of “This American Life” when they were fact-checking this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, he stood by a few of the details in his monologue, and he disagrees with his translator’s account of them. They are the two most emotional parts of his play. One of them is when he’s talking about underage workers that he says he met. The other part is where a man with a hand that’s been twisted into a claw talks to him and plays with his iPad. Those two parts Mike Daisey claims are true, but his translator Cathy insists -- and she says she is certain about this -- they never happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Daisey admits that in the monologue, he says he spoke with 12-year-old, 13-year-old and 14-year-old workers within the first two hours of his time outside Foxconn. When I questioned him about it he changed it to just one 13-year-old, because he wasn’t sure how old the other women were who he was talking to. But his translator Cathy says they did not speak to any underage workers. He says that she would know if they were underage, because she goes to factories all the time and this is her job. She’s been doing this for 10 years, and she would be shocked if she saw an underage worker of that age.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> You say in your piece on “Marketplace” that the reality is complicated because the things that he mentions in his play actually have happened in China, but not necessarily in the way that he describes them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> That is correct. Yes. Everything, well not everything... but, for example let’s talk about the hexane worker. That’s a story that I myself covered as a “Marketplace” reporter. I interviewed those workers. There were more than 100 workers poisoned with this chemical at a factory outside of Shanghai in the city of Suzhou. So when I heard that part of the story I thought to myself, how did these workers travel 1,000 miles away to be interviewed by Mike Daisey? It just didn’t make any sense, because these are workers that don’t have money to travel that far, plus the workers that were poisoned were not employed anymore. It just didn't make any sense to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Mike Daisey, I’m sure you’ve seen, has released a statement that he regrets airing this on “This American Life,” because it’s a journalism show, not a theatrical show. What do you make of his explanation?\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\n\u003cp>His message resonated with people because it was a simple message.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> Well, I think it’s an interesting explanation, and I think it’s disingenuous primarily because if you look at the media appearances he’s made since the running of this show began, he’s been in newspaper articles, he’s written op-eds, he’s been in magazine profiles, he’s been on CNN, he’s been on MSNBC and the list goes on and on. And in each appearance he’s allowed journalists to treat him like a journalist. And so on these appearances he says, “I have seen underage workers, I have seen poisoned workers.” He says what he saw, and then that media or that news organization takes that message and gives it to their viewers or their listeners or their readers as journalism. So I think that, in many ways, he is playing the role and has played the role of a journalist. And now what he’s saying is that he is an artist and what he’s doing is theater. I think the message seems to be changing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> And what has the reaction been like for you as you revealed that at least some of this story was fabricated?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> I’ll tell you something. I’ve had a long relationship with China. I first came here in 1996 as a Peace Corps volunteer and I’ve been back frequently. China is sort of the reason why I became a journalist. It inspired me to want to write about it and tell stories about it. I’ve invested a lot of my career in trying to accurately portray and explain this country to my listeners. So when someone like Mike Daisey comes to China, spends less than a week here and later on tells people that what he thought he saw is in fact not true, that makes my job and the job of other China correspondents here much more difficult.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>WILKINSON:\u003c/strong> Daisey’s account of being in China and talking to workers has gotten so much attention. How does that undercut the work journalists are doing in China?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>SCHMITZ:\u003c/strong> I think his message resonated with people because it was a simple message. It's easy to understand if it’s a black and white message where you know that children are making your iPhones and that the people who made your iPhones are being poisoned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The thing is, these things have happened, but the fact is these occurrences are quite rare. China has 1.2 million people right now making Apple products in the country. I think that in order to understand what life is like for all of these people, you have to just sit and think about the scale of this. At what point in our own country’s history have we had 1.2 million people making one product? Or one product for one company? I don’t think we’re ever had that. And so this is something I think that’s very complicated to understand. It’s complicated to understand that, on one hand, working at a factory in China is very grueling, and when you’re ramping up production your bosses will ask you to work more time than you might be willing to. But at the same time, these workers who I’ve talked to on many occasions, for the most part, are satisfied with the work they’re doing, and if they’re not, they can go somewhere else, because right now there’s a labor shortage in many of the factory towns in China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I think that’s a complicated message, and that doesn’t resonate as easily as this simple message that he’s putting out there which is: iPhones are made by children, Apple bad, Foxconn bad. One of my sources told me, “sign a petition, and now you’re good.” That’s a simple message.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/59634/listen-to-marketplace-correspondant-and-ira-glass-confront-mike-daisey-about-monologue-discrepancies","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_223"],"tags":["news_205","news_710","news_301"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_59581":{"type":"posts","id":"news_59581","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"59581","score":null,"sort":[1331921678000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"this-american-life-retracts-mikes-daisey-story-of-foxconn-visit","title":"'This American Life' Retracts Mike Daisey's Story of Visit to Apple Contractor Foxconn; Daisey's Response","publishDate":1331921678,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_59614\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 240px\">\u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/retraction\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/03/ThisAmericanLiferetracted.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"ThisAmericanLiferetracted\" width=\"240\" height=\"180\" class=\"size-full wp-image-59614\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">'This American Life' web site\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Mike Daisey's \"The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs,\" a one-man show about his trip to Apple contractor Foxconn in China, caused quite a stir and served as another chunk of bad public relations for both companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The radio show \"This American Life\" ran an excerpt from the piece in January, but now it says it's retracting the segment due to discrepancies between what Daisey's Chinese translator told the show and what Daisey said.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/16/this-american-life-retracts-mikes-daisey-story-of-foxconn-visit/#glass\">\u003cstrong>Host Ira Glass'statement\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/16/this-american-life-retracts-mikes-daisey-story-of-foxconn-visit/#statement\">\u003cstrong>'This American Life' statement\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/ieconomy/acclaimed-apple-critic-made-details\">\u003cstrong>'Marketplace' China correspondent describes confronting Daisey\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://mikedaisey.blogspot.com/2012/03/statement-on-tal.html#statement\">\u003cstrong>Mike Daisey's response\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.facebook.com/thislife\">\u003cstrong>Comments on This American Life Facebook page\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3\">\u003cstrong>KQED interview with Mike Daisey last year\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>\"The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\" ran at Berkeley Rep last winter. The show recounted Daisey's version of working conditions at Foxconn's now-notorious plant in Shenzen, China. Foxconn is often cited as the world's largest contract manufacturer of electronics and makes Apple iPhones, iPads and the like, as well as products for other manufacturers like Dell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In May, 2010, reports surfaced of Foxconn workers killing themselves amid brutal working conditions. Multiple \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/02/06/video-chinese-foxconn-worker-who-works-60-hours-a-week-making-ipads-but-has-never-seen-one/\">media reports\u003c/a> about the awful environment at the plant followed, prompting Apple to \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/02/13/apple-says-independent-inspections-of-foxconn-have-begun/\">join the Fair Labor Association\u003c/a>, which audits working conditions at the offshore contractors of American corporations. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This American Life\" and WBEZ Chicago also \u003ca href=\"http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/theater/theaterloop/chi-mike-daiseys-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs-cancelled-after-reports-of-fabrications-20120316,0,4716203.story\">cancelled and is refunding tickets to a planned Apr 7th presentation of Daisey's monologue at the Chicago Theatre\u003c/a>. The show was to be followed by a Q&A with Glass afterwards. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last year, KQED's Cy Musiker \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/24/mike-daisey-monologue-the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs/\">interviewed Daisey about his show\u003c/a>. In the interview, Daisey says, \"I engaged in a lot of, sort of, undercover journalism.\" Listen to the full interview here:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3\">\u003cem>Cy Musiker interviews Mike Daise\u003c/em>y\u003c/a>[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3]\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"glass\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From Ira Glass' introduction to a longer press release on the \"This American Life\" web page for the Daisey segment. \u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I have difficult news. We've learned that Mike Daisey's story about Apple in China - which we broadcast in January - contained significant fabrications. We're retracting the story because we can’t vouch for its truth. This is not a story we commissioned. It was an excerpt of Mike Daisey's acclaimed one-man show \"The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs,\" in which he talks about visiting a factory in China that makes iPhones and other Apple products...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daisey lied to me and to This American Life producer Brian Reed during the fact checking we did on the story, before it was broadcast. That doesn't excuse the fact that we never should've put this on the air. In the end, this was our mistake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're horrified to have let something like this onto public radio. Many dedicated reporters and editors - our friends and colleagues - have worked for years to build the reputation for accuracy and integrity that the journalism on public radio enjoys. It's trusted by so many people for good reason. Our program adheres to the same journalistic standards as the other national shows, and in this case, we did not live up to those standards...\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"statement\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's the full press release from \"This American Life,\" followed by \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/16/this-american-life-retracts-mikes-daisey-story-of-foxconn-visit/#daisey\">Mike Daisey's posted response\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>This American Life and American Public Media’s Marketplace will reveal that a story first broadcast in January on This American Life contained numerous fabrications.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This American Life will devote its entire program this weekend to detailing the errors in the story, which was an excerpt of Mike Daisey's critically acclaimed one-man show, \"The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs.\" In it, Daisey tells how he visited a factory owned by Foxconn that manufactures iPhones and iPads in Shenzhen China. He has performed the monologue in theaters around the country; it's currently at the Public Theater in New York. Tonight’s This American Life program will include a segment from Marketplace’s Rob Schmitz, and interviews with Daisey himself. Marketplace will feature a shorter version of Schmitz's report earlier in the evening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When the original 39-minute excerpt was broadcast on This American Life on January 6, 2012, Marketplace China Correspondent Rob Schmitz wondered about its truth. Marketplace had done a lot of reporting on Foxconn and Apple’s supply chain in China in the past, and Schmitz had first-hand knowledge of the issues. He located and interviewed Daisey's Chinese interpreter Li Guifen (who goes by the name Cathy Lee professionally with westerners). She disputed much of what Daisey has been telling theater audiences since 2010 and much of what he said on the radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During fact checking before the broadcast of Daisey's story, This American Life staffers asked Daisey for this interpreter's contact information. Daisey told them her real name was Anna, not Cathy as he says in his monologue, and he said that the cell phone number he had for her didn't work any more. He said he had no way to reach her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"At that point, we should've killed the story,\" says Ira Glass, Executive Producer and Host of This American Life. \"But other things Daisey told us about Apple's operations in China checked out, and we saw no reason to doubt him. We didn't think that he was lying to us and to audiences about the details of his story. That was a mistake.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The response to the original episode, “Mr. Daisey and the Apple Factory,” was significant. It quickly became the single most popular podcast in This American Life’s history, with 888,000 downloads (typically the number is 750,000) and 206,000 streams to date. After hearing the broadcast, listener Mark Shields started a petition calling for better working conditions for Apple's Chinese workers, and soon delivered almost a quarter-million signatures to Apple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The same month the episode aired, The New York Times ran a front-page investigative series about Apple's overseas manufacturing, and there were news reports about Foxconn workers threatening group suicide in a protest over their treatment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Faced with all this scrutiny of its manufacturing practices, Apple announced that for the first time it will allow an outside third party to audit working conditions at those factories and – for the first time ever – it released a list of its suppliers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Daisey, meanwhile, became one of the company's most visible and outspoken critics, appearing on television and giving dozens of interviews about Apple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of the falsehoods found in Daisey's monologue are small ones: the number of factories Daisey visited in China, for instance, and the number of workers he spoke with. Others are large. In his monologue he claims to have met a group of workers who were poisoned on an iPhone assembly line by a chemical called n-hexane. Apple's audits of its suppliers show that an incident like this occurred in a factory in China, but the factory wasn’t located in Shenzhen, where Daisey visited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It happened nearly a thousand miles away, in a city called Suzhou,\" Marketplace’s Schmitz says in his report. \"I’ve interviewed these workers, so I knew the story. And when I heard Daisey’s monologue on the radio, I wondered: How’d they get all the way down to Shenzhen? It seemed crazy, that somehow Daisey could’ve met a few of them during his trip.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Schmitz's report, he confronts Daisey and Daisey admits to fabricating these characters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I'm not going to say that I didn't take a few shortcuts in my passion to be heard,\" Daisey tells Schmitz and Glass. \"My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your show as journalism, and it's not journalism. It's theater.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daisey's interpreter Cathy also disputes two of the most dramatic moments in Daisey's story: that he met underage workers at Foxconn, and that a man with a mangled hand was injured at Foxconn making iPads (and that Daisey's iPad was the first one he ever saw in operation). Daisey says in his monologue:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He's never actually seen one on, this thing that took his hand. I turn it on, unlock the screen, and pass it to him. He takes it. The icons flare into view, and he strokes the screen with his ruined hand, and the icons slide back and forth. And he says something to Cathy, and Cathy says, \"he says it's a kind of magic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cathy Lee tells Schmitz that nothing of the sort occurred.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In our original broadcast, we fact checked all the things that Daisey said about Apple's operations in China,\" says Glass, \"and those parts of his story were true, except for the underage workers, who are rare.\u003cbr>\nWe reported that discrepancy in the original show. But with this week’s broadcast, we're letting the audience know that too many of the details about the people he says he met are in dispute for us to stand by the story. I suspect that many things that Mike Daisey claims to have experienced personally did not actually happen, but listeners can judge for themselves.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It was completely wrong for me to have it on your show,\" Daisey tells Glass on the program, \"and that's something I deeply regret.\" He also expressed his regret to \"the people who are listening, the audience of This American Life, who know that it is a journalism enterprise, if they feel betrayed.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This American Life and its home station WBEZ Chicago had been planning a live presentation of Daisey's monologue on stage at the Chicago Theatre on April 7th, with Glass leading a Q&A afterwards. That show will be cancelled and all tickets will be refunded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This American Life will air on WBEZ at 8pm EST/7pm CT tonight and will be also be available to stream and download on thisamericanlife.org at that time, and it can be heard on public radio stations around the country this weekend.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"daisey\">\u003c/a>Mike Daisey responds:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"This American Life\" has raised questions about the adaptation of AGONY/ECSTASY we created for their program. Here is my response:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I stand by my work. My show is a theatrical piece whose goal is to create a human connection between our gorgeous devices and the brutal circumstances from which they emerge. It uses a combination of fact, memoir, and dramatic license to tell its story, and I believe it does so with integrity. Certainly, the comprehensive investigations undertaken by The New York Times and a number of labor rights groups to document conditions in electronics manufacturing would seem to bear this out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What I do is not journalism. The tools of the theater are not the same as the tools of journalism. For this reason, I regret that I allowed THIS AMERICAN LIFE to air an excerpt from my monologue. THIS AMERICAN LIFE is essentially a journalistic - not a theatrical - enterprise, and as such it operates under a different set of rules and expectations. But this is my only regret. I am proud that my work seems to have sparked a growing storm of attention and concern over the often appalling conditions under which many of the high-tech products we love so much are assembled in China.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1331935327,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":40,"wordCount":1929},"headData":{"title":"'This American Life' Retracts Mike Daisey's Story of Visit to Apple Contractor Foxconn; Daisey's Response | KQED","description":"Mike Daisey's "The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs," a one-man show about his trip to Apple contractor Foxconn in China, caused quite a stir and served as another chunk of bad public relations for both companies. 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The show recounted Daisey's version of working conditions at Foxconn's now-notorious plant in Shenzen, China. Foxconn is often cited as the world's largest contract manufacturer of electronics and makes Apple iPhones, iPads and the like, as well as products for other manufacturers like Dell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In May, 2010, reports surfaced of Foxconn workers killing themselves amid brutal working conditions. Multiple \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/02/06/video-chinese-foxconn-worker-who-works-60-hours-a-week-making-ipads-but-has-never-seen-one/\">media reports\u003c/a> about the awful environment at the plant followed, prompting Apple to \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/02/13/apple-says-independent-inspections-of-foxconn-have-begun/\">join the Fair Labor Association\u003c/a>, which audits working conditions at the offshore contractors of American corporations. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This American Life\" and WBEZ Chicago also \u003ca href=\"http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/theater/theaterloop/chi-mike-daiseys-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs-cancelled-after-reports-of-fabrications-20120316,0,4716203.story\">cancelled and is refunding tickets to a planned Apr 7th presentation of Daisey's monologue at the Chicago Theatre\u003c/a>. The show was to be followed by a Q&A with Glass afterwards. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last year, KQED's Cy Musiker \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/24/mike-daisey-monologue-the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs/\">interviewed Daisey about his show\u003c/a>. In the interview, Daisey says, \"I engaged in a lot of, sort of, undercover journalism.\" Listen to the full interview here:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3\">\u003cem>Cy Musiker interviews Mike Daise\u003c/em>y\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"glass\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From Ira Glass' introduction to a longer press release on the \"This American Life\" web page for the Daisey segment. \u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I have difficult news. We've learned that Mike Daisey's story about Apple in China - which we broadcast in January - contained significant fabrications. We're retracting the story because we can’t vouch for its truth. This is not a story we commissioned. It was an excerpt of Mike Daisey's acclaimed one-man show \"The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs,\" in which he talks about visiting a factory in China that makes iPhones and other Apple products...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daisey lied to me and to This American Life producer Brian Reed during the fact checking we did on the story, before it was broadcast. That doesn't excuse the fact that we never should've put this on the air. In the end, this was our mistake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're horrified to have let something like this onto public radio. Many dedicated reporters and editors - our friends and colleagues - have worked for years to build the reputation for accuracy and integrity that the journalism on public radio enjoys. It's trusted by so many people for good reason. Our program adheres to the same journalistic standards as the other national shows, and in this case, we did not live up to those standards...\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"statement\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's the full press release from \"This American Life,\" followed by \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/03/16/this-american-life-retracts-mikes-daisey-story-of-foxconn-visit/#daisey\">Mike Daisey's posted response\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>This American Life and American Public Media’s Marketplace will reveal that a story first broadcast in January on This American Life contained numerous fabrications.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This American Life will devote its entire program this weekend to detailing the errors in the story, which was an excerpt of Mike Daisey's critically acclaimed one-man show, \"The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs.\" In it, Daisey tells how he visited a factory owned by Foxconn that manufactures iPhones and iPads in Shenzhen China. He has performed the monologue in theaters around the country; it's currently at the Public Theater in New York. Tonight’s This American Life program will include a segment from Marketplace’s Rob Schmitz, and interviews with Daisey himself. Marketplace will feature a shorter version of Schmitz's report earlier in the evening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When the original 39-minute excerpt was broadcast on This American Life on January 6, 2012, Marketplace China Correspondent Rob Schmitz wondered about its truth. Marketplace had done a lot of reporting on Foxconn and Apple’s supply chain in China in the past, and Schmitz had first-hand knowledge of the issues. He located and interviewed Daisey's Chinese interpreter Li Guifen (who goes by the name Cathy Lee professionally with westerners). She disputed much of what Daisey has been telling theater audiences since 2010 and much of what he said on the radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During fact checking before the broadcast of Daisey's story, This American Life staffers asked Daisey for this interpreter's contact information. Daisey told them her real name was Anna, not Cathy as he says in his monologue, and he said that the cell phone number he had for her didn't work any more. He said he had no way to reach her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"At that point, we should've killed the story,\" says Ira Glass, Executive Producer and Host of This American Life. \"But other things Daisey told us about Apple's operations in China checked out, and we saw no reason to doubt him. We didn't think that he was lying to us and to audiences about the details of his story. That was a mistake.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The response to the original episode, “Mr. Daisey and the Apple Factory,” was significant. It quickly became the single most popular podcast in This American Life’s history, with 888,000 downloads (typically the number is 750,000) and 206,000 streams to date. After hearing the broadcast, listener Mark Shields started a petition calling for better working conditions for Apple's Chinese workers, and soon delivered almost a quarter-million signatures to Apple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The same month the episode aired, The New York Times ran a front-page investigative series about Apple's overseas manufacturing, and there were news reports about Foxconn workers threatening group suicide in a protest over their treatment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Faced with all this scrutiny of its manufacturing practices, Apple announced that for the first time it will allow an outside third party to audit working conditions at those factories and – for the first time ever – it released a list of its suppliers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Daisey, meanwhile, became one of the company's most visible and outspoken critics, appearing on television and giving dozens of interviews about Apple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of the falsehoods found in Daisey's monologue are small ones: the number of factories Daisey visited in China, for instance, and the number of workers he spoke with. Others are large. In his monologue he claims to have met a group of workers who were poisoned on an iPhone assembly line by a chemical called n-hexane. Apple's audits of its suppliers show that an incident like this occurred in a factory in China, but the factory wasn’t located in Shenzhen, where Daisey visited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It happened nearly a thousand miles away, in a city called Suzhou,\" Marketplace’s Schmitz says in his report. \"I’ve interviewed these workers, so I knew the story. And when I heard Daisey’s monologue on the radio, I wondered: How’d they get all the way down to Shenzhen? It seemed crazy, that somehow Daisey could’ve met a few of them during his trip.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Schmitz's report, he confronts Daisey and Daisey admits to fabricating these characters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I'm not going to say that I didn't take a few shortcuts in my passion to be heard,\" Daisey tells Schmitz and Glass. \"My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your show as journalism, and it's not journalism. It's theater.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daisey's interpreter Cathy also disputes two of the most dramatic moments in Daisey's story: that he met underage workers at Foxconn, and that a man with a mangled hand was injured at Foxconn making iPads (and that Daisey's iPad was the first one he ever saw in operation). Daisey says in his monologue:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He's never actually seen one on, this thing that took his hand. I turn it on, unlock the screen, and pass it to him. He takes it. The icons flare into view, and he strokes the screen with his ruined hand, and the icons slide back and forth. And he says something to Cathy, and Cathy says, \"he says it's a kind of magic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cathy Lee tells Schmitz that nothing of the sort occurred.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In our original broadcast, we fact checked all the things that Daisey said about Apple's operations in China,\" says Glass, \"and those parts of his story were true, except for the underage workers, who are rare.\u003cbr>\nWe reported that discrepancy in the original show. But with this week’s broadcast, we're letting the audience know that too many of the details about the people he says he met are in dispute for us to stand by the story. I suspect that many things that Mike Daisey claims to have experienced personally did not actually happen, but listeners can judge for themselves.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It was completely wrong for me to have it on your show,\" Daisey tells Glass on the program, \"and that's something I deeply regret.\" He also expressed his regret to \"the people who are listening, the audience of This American Life, who know that it is a journalism enterprise, if they feel betrayed.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This American Life and its home station WBEZ Chicago had been planning a live presentation of Daisey's monologue on stage at the Chicago Theatre on April 7th, with Glass leading a Q&A afterwards. That show will be cancelled and all tickets will be refunded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This American Life will air on WBEZ at 8pm EST/7pm CT tonight and will be also be available to stream and download on thisamericanlife.org at that time, and it can be heard on public radio stations around the country this weekend.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"daisey\">\u003c/a>Mike Daisey responds:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"This American Life\" has raised questions about the adaptation of AGONY/ECSTASY we created for their program. Here is my response:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I stand by my work. My show is a theatrical piece whose goal is to create a human connection between our gorgeous devices and the brutal circumstances from which they emerge. It uses a combination of fact, memoir, and dramatic license to tell its story, and I believe it does so with integrity. Certainly, the comprehensive investigations undertaken by The New York Times and a number of labor rights groups to document conditions in electronics manufacturing would seem to bear this out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What I do is not journalism. The tools of the theater are not the same as the tools of journalism. For this reason, I regret that I allowed THIS AMERICAN LIFE to air an excerpt from my monologue. THIS AMERICAN LIFE is essentially a journalistic - not a theatrical - enterprise, and as such it operates under a different set of rules and expectations. But this is my only regret. I am proud that my work seems to have sparked a growing storm of attention and concern over the often appalling conditions under which many of the high-tech products we love so much are assembled in China.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/59581/this-american-life-retracts-mikes-daisey-story-of-foxconn-visit","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_223","news_248"],"tags":["news_740","news_205","news_710","news_301"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_53433":{"type":"posts","id":"news_53433","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"53433","score":null,"sort":[1326825503000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"video-jon-stewart-takes-on-controversial-apple-supplier-foxconn","title":"Video: Jon Stewart Takes on Controversial Apple Supplier Foxconn","publishDate":1326825503,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Last night on \"The Daily Show,\" Jon Stewart and Co. \u003ca href=\"http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-16-2012/fear-factory?xrs=synd_twitter\">took on Foxconn\u003c/a>, the giant Taiwan-based company that is often cited as the world's largest contract manufacturer of electronics, and especially Apple products -- it turns out tens of millions of iPhones and iPads annually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The huge Foxconn complex in Shenzen, China, however, has become especially notorious for harsh working conditions, which have frequently been blamed for a \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/business/global/07suicide.html\">rash of employee suicides\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last night, after Stewart called the plant \"an abomination,\" he had a little debate with Siri, the iPhone's chatty personal assistant, about the costs/benefits of cheaper Apple products at the expense of inhumane working conditions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"background-color: #000000;width: 520px\">\n\u003cdiv style=\"padding: 4px\">\n\u003cp>\u003cobject width=\"512\" height=\"288\" classid=\"d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\">\u003cparam name=\"src\" value=\"http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:video:thedailyshow.com:405953\">\u003cparam name=\"allowfullscreen\" value=\"true\">\u003cparam name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\">\u003cparam name=\"base\" value=\".\">\u003cparam name=\"flashvars\" value=\"\">\u003cembed width=\"512\" height=\"288\" type=\"application/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:video:thedailyshow.com:405953\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" base=\".\" flashvars=\"\">\u003c/embed>\u003c/object>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: left;background-color: #ffffff;padding: 4px;margin-top: 4px;margin-bottom: 0px;font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 12px\">\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-16-2012/fear-factory\">The Daily Show\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nGet More: \u003ca href=\"http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/\">Daily Show Full Episodes\u003c/a>,\u003ca href=\"http://www.indecisionforever.com/\">Political Humor & Satire Blog\u003c/a>,\u003ca href=\"http://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow\">The Daily Show on Facebook\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\n\u003c/div>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stewart is not the first humorist to address the dichotomy between the company's sleek, cutting-edge products and the squalid environment the people who make them labor in. A year ago, KQED's Cy Musiker \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/24/mike-daisey-monologue-the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs/\">talked to monogolist Mike Daisey\u003c/a>, whose Berkeley Rep show \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyrep.org/season/1011/4550.asp\">The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\u003c/a> recounted his trip to Foxconn, where he gained access to workers by posing as a prospective company client.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Rarely are two worlds more divorced that are so integrated,\" Daisey said. \"Our choices of devices are a little bit like a religion...I was a very devout follower of Apple and of technology...the consequence of the trip for me is that I lost my faith. I don't enjoy technology...in the same way (because) I know intimately what went into their creation. We are obsessed with design, and then we do everything in our power to have no idea how these things are actually made. It's an incredible, pathetic disgrace... There's an utter silence over the entire field.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perhaps not an \u003cem>utter\u003c/em> silence, anymore. Last week, Apple announced it \u003ca href=\"https://www.fairlabor.org/fla/Public/pub/Images_XFile/R514/Apple_Joins_FLA.pdf\">would become a Participating Company in the Fair Labor Association\u003c/a> (pdf), a watchdog group that \"places the onus on companies to voluntarily achieve the FLA’s labor standards in the factories manufacturing their products.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From a \u003ca href=\"http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-13/apple-opens-suppliers-doors-to-labor-group-after-foxconn-worker-suicides.html\">Bloomberg article on the announcement\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Apple’s biggest supplier, Taiwan’s Foxconn, has been a subject of scrutiny after at least 12 workers have committed suicide at its plants in China. Three died last year and more than 70 were hurt in blasts at two iPad facilities, one of which was also owned by Foxconn. In response to pressure from Apple and the media, Foxconn more than doubled wages in 2010 for some workers in China and employed counselors.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Problems, however, still remain. A protest last week \"involved threats from some workers to commit suicide,\" according to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/technology/foxconn-resolves-pay-dispute-with-workers.html\">New York Times\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED Radio's Forum program discussed the issue today. 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A year ago, KQED's Cy Musiker \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/24/mike-daisey-monologue-the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs/\">talked to monogolist Mike Daisey\u003c/a>, whose Berkeley Rep show \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyrep.org/season/1011/4550.asp\">The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\u003c/a> recounted his trip to Foxconn, where he gained access to workers by posing as a prospective company client.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Rarely are two worlds more divorced that are so integrated,\" Daisey said. \"Our choices of devices are a little bit like a religion...I was a very devout follower of Apple and of technology...the consequence of the trip for me is that I lost my faith. I don't enjoy technology...in the same way (because) I know intimately what went into their creation. We are obsessed with design, and then we do everything in our power to have no idea how these things are actually made. It's an incredible, pathetic disgrace... There's an utter silence over the entire field.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perhaps not an \u003cem>utter\u003c/em> silence, anymore. Last week, Apple announced it \u003ca href=\"https://www.fairlabor.org/fla/Public/pub/Images_XFile/R514/Apple_Joins_FLA.pdf\">would become a Participating Company in the Fair Labor Association\u003c/a> (pdf), a watchdog group that \"places the onus on companies to voluntarily achieve the FLA’s labor standards in the factories manufacturing their products.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From a \u003ca href=\"http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-13/apple-opens-suppliers-doors-to-labor-group-after-foxconn-worker-suicides.html\">Bloomberg article on the announcement\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Apple’s biggest supplier, Taiwan’s Foxconn, has been a subject of scrutiny after at least 12 workers have committed suicide at its plants in China. Three died last year and more than 70 were hurt in blasts at two iPad facilities, one of which was also owned by Foxconn. In response to pressure from Apple and the media, Foxconn more than doubled wages in 2010 for some workers in China and employed counselors.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Problems, however, still remain. A protest last week \"involved threats from some workers to commit suicide,\" according to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/technology/foxconn-resolves-pay-dispute-with-workers.html\">New York Times\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED Radio's Forum program discussed the issue today. The show will be \u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201201170900\">archived here\u003c/a> and has already generated a fair amount of\u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201201170900#disqus_thread\"> comments\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You can also \u003ca href=\"http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/454/mr-daisey-and-the-apple-factory\">listen to Mike Daisey perform an adapted excerpt\u003c/a> from his \"Steve Jobs\" show at \u003cem>This American Life\u003c/em>'s web site.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/53433/video-jon-stewart-takes-on-controversial-apple-supplier-foxconn","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_223","news_1758","news_248"],"tags":["news_713","news_710"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_13881":{"type":"posts","id":"news_13881","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"13881","score":null,"sort":[1295915103000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"mike-daisey-monologue-the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs","title":"Interview: Monologist Mike Daisey Discusses \"The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\"","publishDate":1295915103,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/agonystevejobs1.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/agonystevejobs1.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"agonystevejobs\" width=\"183\" height=\"122\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-14061\">\u003c/a>Mike Daisey bringing his monologue \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyrep.org/season/1011/4550.asp\">\u003cstrong>\u003cem>The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/a> to Berkeley Rep is not quite tantamount to someone producing \"Angels in America\" at, like, the Crawford, Texas community theater. But an analogy exists in that Daisey's show delivers a message many in the crowd will simply not want to hear. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The show in large part is about working conditions Daisey discovered while visiting the Foxconn manufacturing plant in Shenzen, China. The company, often cited as the world's largest contract manufacturer of electronics, turns out all those Apple iPhones and iPads, as well as products for other manufacturers like Dell. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In May, 2010, reports surfaced that 10 Foxconn workers over the since the beginning of the year had \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/business/global/07suicide.html\">killed themselves\u003c/a> amid brutal working conditions \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The story created a \u003ca href=\"http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37510167/ns/business-bloomberg_businessweek/\">public relations headache\u003c/a>, to say the least, for Apple. (For a refutation of the media's portrayal of the Foxconn suicides as a cluster, \u003ca href=\"http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/media-gets-its-facts-wrong-working-at-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356\">see here\u003c/a>. Update Jan 25: See \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/24/mike-daisey-monologue-the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs/#refutation\">below\u003c/a> for a refutation of the refutation that Daisey sent us.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From a \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainment/ci_17184600\">\u003cstrong>review\u003c/strong>\u003c/a> of Daisey's show in today's San Jose Mercury News:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>In this freewheeling theatrical essay, (Daisey) doesn't just hold Jobs' feet to the fire. He doesn't just question the morality of capitalism. He forces theatergoers to take a hard look at the glowing screens in their pockets and ask where they came from and at what cost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Only a true believer, a man who fieldstrips his MacBook Pro down to its 43 components parts to unwind, could be this shocked and heartbroken to find that the gadgets he adores, those glossy pieces of electronic sculpture known as the iPad and the iPhone, might have been produced under brutal working conditions in China...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What makes Daisey so addictive as a performer is his ability to fuse snarkiness with sociological insight. He has a gift for lacerating self-exposure that also touches the pulse of the culture. He reveals his foibles at length (and indeed this show may be a tad too long) to illuminate our collective blind spots. This time, it's our fetish for high-tech toys.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As an alpha geek who streams Apple keynote speeches while live blogging in his underwear, he knows that the lust for technology is a powerful aphrodisiac for many of us. He understands the sexiness of \"a laptop so thin you could slice a sandwich with it.\" An early adopter, he also feels the tug of nostalgia for dot matrix printers so loud they shook the whole house and those terrifying unhappy Mac faces. Good times. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>KQED's Cy Musiker interviewed Daisey on Friday, and it makes for compelling listening. Daisey, who gained access to Foxconn workers by posing as a prospective client of the company, contrasts the grim lives of factory workers to the elegant products created by Apple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Rarely are two worlds more divorced that are so integrated,\" Daisey says. \"Our choices of devices are a little bit like a religion...I was a very devout follower of Apple and of technology...the consequence of the trip for me is that I lost my faith. I don't enjoy technology...in the same way (because) I know intimately what went into their creation.\" \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are obsessed with design,\" Daisey says, \"and then we do everything in our power to have no idea how these things are actually made.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's an incredible, pathetic disgrace...There's an utter silence over the entire field,\" about the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daisey also discusses what some Apple employees think about the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listen here:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3\">\u003cem>Cy Musiker interviews Mike Daise\u003c/em>y\u003c/a>[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3] \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The show is in rep with Daisey's \u003ca href=\"http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-01-14/entertainment/27028331_1_mike-daisey-jean-michele-gregory-money-talks\">\u003cem>The Last Cargo Cult\u003c/em>\u003c/a> until Feb 27 at Berkeley Rep.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You may not agree that there is a moral imperative for users of Apple and other company products to insist they are manufactured under humane conditions. But even if you don't, after listening to Daisey's rap those electronic goodies, which so many of us fetishize to some degree, may lose just a little of that come-hither sheen...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"refutation\">\u003cem>Update Jan 25:\u003c/em> Mike Daisey himself sends us this \u003c/a>\u003ca href=\"http://www.fakesteve.net/2010/05/our-new-spin-on-the-foxconn-suicide-epidemic.html\">\u003cstrong>post\u003c/strong>\u003c/a> from \u003ca href=\"http://www.fakesteve.net/\">The Secret Diary of Steve Jobs\u003c/a>. Daisey calls it a \"refutation of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/media-gets-its-facts-wrong-working-at-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356\">refutation\u003c/a>,\" posted above, about the validity of treating the FoxConn suicides as a cluster of significance. The argument being debunked here is that the suicides at Foxconn are well within the national average of China so should not be taken as an indicator of desperate working conditions. From the post:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\n...arguments about national averages are a smokescreen. Sure, people kill themselves all the time. But the Foxconn people all work for the same company, in the same place, and they’re all doing it in the same way, and that way happens to be a gruesome, public way that makes a spectacle of their death. They’re not pill-takers or wrist-slitters or hangers. They’re not Sylvia Plath wannabes, sealing off the kitchen and quietly sticking their head in the oven. They’re jumpers. And jumpers, my friends, are a different breed. Ask any cop or shrink who deals with this stuff. Jumpers want to make a statement. Jumpers are trying to tell you something.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, consider this. Walmart has 1.4 million employees in the United States. Can you remember a time when 10 or 15 Walmart workers jumped to their deaths from the roofs of Walmart stores over the course of a few months? Have you ever heard of Walmart asking employees to sign a no-suicide contract, or putting safety nets up on all of its buildings? If this did happen, would you think maybe something is going on at Walmart? Or would you just say, well, 10 or 15 people out of 1.4 million is still waaaay below the national average?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Britain’s National Health Service has 1.3 million employees. Number of suicides last year involving NHS workers jumping from NHS buildings: zero. Indian Railways has 1.6 million employees. Can you recall the last time 10 or 15 of them threw themselves under trains over the course of a few months? Deutsche Post has half a million employees. Ever heard a story about a dozen of them hurling themselves into letter-sorting machines?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And yes, France Telecom did have a suicide epidemic last year. Guess what. Nobody went around saying that it was no big deal because it was still below the national average in France — instead the official explanation was that the suicides were caused by brutal management harassing workers. 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(For a refutation of the media's portrayal of the Foxconn suicides as a cluster, \u003ca href=\"http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/media-gets-its-facts-wrong-working-at-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356\">see here\u003c/a>. 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He forces theatergoers to take a hard look at the glowing screens in their pockets and ask where they came from and at what cost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Only a true believer, a man who fieldstrips his MacBook Pro down to its 43 components parts to unwind, could be this shocked and heartbroken to find that the gadgets he adores, those glossy pieces of electronic sculpture known as the iPad and the iPhone, might have been produced under brutal working conditions in China...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What makes Daisey so addictive as a performer is his ability to fuse snarkiness with sociological insight. He has a gift for lacerating self-exposure that also touches the pulse of the culture. He reveals his foibles at length (and indeed this show may be a tad too long) to illuminate our collective blind spots. This time, it's our fetish for high-tech toys.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As an alpha geek who streams Apple keynote speeches while live blogging in his underwear, he knows that the lust for technology is a powerful aphrodisiac for many of us. He understands the sexiness of \"a laptop so thin you could slice a sandwich with it.\" An early adopter, he also feels the tug of nostalgia for dot matrix printers so loud they shook the whole house and those terrifying unhappy Mac faces. Good times. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>KQED's Cy Musiker interviewed Daisey on Friday, and it makes for compelling listening. Daisey, who gained access to Foxconn workers by posing as a prospective client of the company, contrasts the grim lives of factory workers to the elegant products created by Apple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Rarely are two worlds more divorced that are so integrated,\" Daisey says. \"Our choices of devices are a little bit like a religion...I was a very devout follower of Apple and of technology...the consequence of the trip for me is that I lost my faith. I don't enjoy technology...in the same way (because) I know intimately what went into their creation.\" \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are obsessed with design,\" Daisey says, \"and then we do everything in our power to have no idea how these things are actually made.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's an incredible, pathetic disgrace...There's an utter silence over the entire field,\" about the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daisey also discusses what some Apple employees think about the show.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listen here:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3\">\u003cem>Cy Musiker interviews Mike Daise\u003c/em>y\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/01/Mike-Daisy.mp3"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The show is in rep with Daisey's \u003ca href=\"http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-01-14/entertainment/27028331_1_mike-daisey-jean-michele-gregory-money-talks\">\u003cem>The Last Cargo Cult\u003c/em>\u003c/a> until Feb 27 at Berkeley Rep.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You may not agree that there is a moral imperative for users of Apple and other company products to insist they are manufactured under humane conditions. But even if you don't, after listening to Daisey's rap those electronic goodies, which so many of us fetishize to some degree, may lose just a little of that come-hither sheen...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca name=\"refutation\">\u003cem>Update Jan 25:\u003c/em> Mike Daisey himself sends us this \u003c/a>\u003ca href=\"http://www.fakesteve.net/2010/05/our-new-spin-on-the-foxconn-suicide-epidemic.html\">\u003cstrong>post\u003c/strong>\u003c/a> from \u003ca href=\"http://www.fakesteve.net/\">The Secret Diary of Steve Jobs\u003c/a>. Daisey calls it a \"refutation of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/media-gets-its-facts-wrong-working-at-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356\">refutation\u003c/a>,\" posted above, about the validity of treating the FoxConn suicides as a cluster of significance. The argument being debunked here is that the suicides at Foxconn are well within the national average of China so should not be taken as an indicator of desperate working conditions. From the post:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\n...arguments about national averages are a smokescreen. Sure, people kill themselves all the time. But the Foxconn people all work for the same company, in the same place, and they’re all doing it in the same way, and that way happens to be a gruesome, public way that makes a spectacle of their death. They’re not pill-takers or wrist-slitters or hangers. They’re not Sylvia Plath wannabes, sealing off the kitchen and quietly sticking their head in the oven. They’re jumpers. And jumpers, my friends, are a different breed. Ask any cop or shrink who deals with this stuff. Jumpers want to make a statement. Jumpers are trying to tell you something.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, consider this. Walmart has 1.4 million employees in the United States. Can you remember a time when 10 or 15 Walmart workers jumped to their deaths from the roofs of Walmart stores over the course of a few months? Have you ever heard of Walmart asking employees to sign a no-suicide contract, or putting safety nets up on all of its buildings? If this did happen, would you think maybe something is going on at Walmart? Or would you just say, well, 10 or 15 people out of 1.4 million is still waaaay below the national average?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Britain’s National Health Service has 1.3 million employees. Number of suicides last year involving NHS workers jumping from NHS buildings: zero. Indian Railways has 1.6 million employees. 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