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But sparking a simple discussion on prices might save you some precious dollars in a time of high inflation. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101893325/haggling-your-way-through-a-tricky-economy\">KQED Forum spoke to two experts for some advice\u003c/a> on haggling, or bargaining, on prices:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Veronica Dagher\u003c/strong>, personal finance reporter for \u003cem>The Wall Street Journal\u003c/em>, and author of \u003cem>Wall Street Journal\u003c/em> e-book \u003cem>Resilience: How 20 Ambitious Women Used Obstacles to Fuel Their Success\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Richard Shell\u003c/strong>, professor of legal studies and business ethics, and of management, at the Wharton School, and author of \u003cem>Bargaining for Advantage: Negotiation Strategies for Reasonable People\u003c/em> and \u003cem>The Art of Woo: Using Strategic Persuasion to Sell Your Ideas\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>Negotiation doesn’t have to be adversarial\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When some people think about haggling, they are often imagining going into the discussion forcefully. But the experts agree charm and playfulness can go a long way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It may be a bit [more] outspoken than some people are used to, but it’s not this nasty ‘toe-to-toe fighting’ that’s going to get you the best results,” Dagher said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#tellus\">Tell us: What else do you need information about right now?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>“If they’re probably getting yelled at all day by disgruntled customers … you’re just another person yelling at them for something they probably have zero control over. Why are they going to be motivated to help you?” Dagher continued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They probably won’t. And then you’ll feel yucky afterward. And they will, too. So, I like that nicer approach.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Ask questions — in the spirit of investigation\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Shell says he has a list of stock questions for any sellers or clerks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Rather than say, ‘Can you get it to me for less?,’ it’s ‘Can you do better than that?'” said Shell, who advises asking questions like, “Is there any kind of deal that might apply?” and “Explain a little more why this is being charged the way it is?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, said Shell, you can “investigate the reasons.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Very often, when you are good at asking questions, that tends to open up a little space,” said Shell. “And then you can sort of see if you fit in.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Shift your perspective\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For some, a transaction isn’t complete without haggling. For others, it makes them cringe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But some KQED listeners called in to the show to say it’s sometimes a matter of changing one’s mindset. For example, haggling is simply expected in many other countries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shell adds that in a time of inflation, “just asking” is not a bad habit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Sometimes people say, ‘I feel terrible negotiating for myself. I feel greedy,'” said Shell. “I say, ‘Well, then don’t negotiate for yourself. Think of who you’re negotiating for.’ Is it your children? Is that their college education? Is it your future retirement fund?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, “it’s rare that someone has too \u003cem>much\u003c/em> money to take care of their financial security, or their self-respect, later in life,” said Shell. “And so, again, it’s not what you ask for. It’s how you do it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Plus, addressing your discomfort with haggling can be personally and professionally beneficial in other ways, Shell notes. “It’s just interpersonal conflict,” he said, noting that, like many, he was also “anxious about it” as a younger person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But, said Shell, “I knew that as I get to be a professional, you’re going to have to manage conflict of all kinds. … It’s just about people. It’s social psychology in a very interesting and amazing way because you can create a lot of value — if you know how to manage conflict constructively.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11953043\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11953043\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425.jpg\" alt=\"Two hands with lighter skin exchange an apple over a fruit stand at a market.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">When negotiating for a discount, connecting with the person you’re talking with is key. \u003ccite>(Erik Scheel/Pexels)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Feel uncomfortable? You don’t have to do it\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Some KQED Forum listeners called in and expressed their discomfort with haggling — especially with small businesses or when it appears the seller does not have the same financial background as them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shell emphasized that the key is to do it with respect. “You’re a human first,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dagher expanded on this discomfort, saying that experts she talked to observed that women especially often have a hard time asking for lower prices. An example of an internal conflict, she says, is: “If I go to the farmers market and I’m negotiating with the person who’s the farmer, am I the jerk?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the contrary, said Dagher, “what I have found is actually so many people are expecting the negotiation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So instead of thinking, ‘Am I the jerk for asking for a better price?,’ it might be more like, ‘Am I the jerk for not asking for a better price?'”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think there’s a lot of shifting that needs to be done to get comfortable with this,” said Dagher. And remember: “[The] worst you can hear is ‘No’.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101893325/haggling-your-way-through-a-tricky-economy\">Find more tips on haggling, discounts and negotiation by listening to the full KQED Forum show.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"tellus\">\u003c/a>Tell us: What else do you need information about?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>At KQED News, we know that it can sometimes be hard to track down the answers to navigate life in the Bay Area in 2023. We’ve published \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/coronavirus-resources-and-explainers\">clear, practical explainers and guides about COVID\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11936674/how-to-prepare-for-this-weeks-atmospheric-river-storm-sandbags-emergency-kits-and-more\">how to cope with intense winter weather\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11821950/how-to-safely-attend-a-protest-in-the-bay-area\">how to exercise your right to protest safely\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So tell us: What do you need to know more about? Tell us, and you could see your question answered online or on social media. What you submit will make our reporting stronger, and help us decide what to cover here on our site, and on KQED Public Radio, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[hearken id=\"10483\" src=\"https://modules.wearehearken.com/kqed/embed/10483.js\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Negotiation for a discount or a bargain doesn't come naturally for many folks. We spoke to experts about the best ways to start haggling on cost for many kinds of items.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1686865121,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":true,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":30,"wordCount":1129},"headData":{"title":"New to Negotiation? Haggling Tips to Score Bargains in a Tight Economy | KQED","description":"Negotiation for a discount or a bargain doesn't come naturally for many folks. 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Tried to charm the check-in desk for a nicer seat on the airplane?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You probably were haggling — that is, bargaining with someone on cost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some people have been coached on the art of asking for a discount since childhood. For others, it makes their skin crawl. But sparking a simple discussion on prices might save you some precious dollars in a time of high inflation. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101893325/haggling-your-way-through-a-tricky-economy\">KQED Forum spoke to two experts for some advice\u003c/a> on haggling, or bargaining, on prices:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Veronica Dagher\u003c/strong>, personal finance reporter for \u003cem>The Wall Street Journal\u003c/em>, and author of \u003cem>Wall Street Journal\u003c/em> e-book \u003cem>Resilience: How 20 Ambitious Women Used Obstacles to Fuel Their Success\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Richard Shell\u003c/strong>, professor of legal studies and business ethics, and of management, at the Wharton School, and author of \u003cem>Bargaining for Advantage: Negotiation Strategies for Reasonable People\u003c/em> and \u003cem>The Art of Woo: Using Strategic Persuasion to Sell Your Ideas\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>Negotiation doesn’t have to be adversarial\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When some people think about haggling, they are often imagining going into the discussion forcefully. But the experts agree charm and playfulness can go a long way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It may be a bit [more] outspoken than some people are used to, but it’s not this nasty ‘toe-to-toe fighting’ that’s going to get you the best results,” Dagher said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#tellus\">Tell us: What else do you need information about right now?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>“If they’re probably getting yelled at all day by disgruntled customers … you’re just another person yelling at them for something they probably have zero control over. Why are they going to be motivated to help you?” Dagher continued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They probably won’t. And then you’ll feel yucky afterward. And they will, too. 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For example, haggling is simply expected in many other countries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shell adds that in a time of inflation, “just asking” is not a bad habit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Sometimes people say, ‘I feel terrible negotiating for myself. I feel greedy,'” said Shell. “I say, ‘Well, then don’t negotiate for yourself. Think of who you’re negotiating for.’ Is it your children? Is that their college education? Is it your future retirement fund?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, “it’s rare that someone has too \u003cem>much\u003c/em> money to take care of their financial security, or their self-respect, later in life,” said Shell. “And so, again, it’s not what you ask for. 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It’s social psychology in a very interesting and amazing way because you can create a lot of value — if you know how to manage conflict constructively.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11953043\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11953043\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425.jpg\" alt=\"Two hands with lighter skin exchange an apple over a fruit stand at a market.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/pexels-erik-scheel-95425-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">When negotiating for a discount, connecting with the person you’re talking with is key. \u003ccite>(Erik Scheel/Pexels)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Feel uncomfortable? 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Or maybe something you're hoping to pass down someday?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The answers resulted in a conversation between Kim, New Yorker magazine staff writer Hua Hsu and visual artist Ari Bird about \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101889960/family-heirlooms-unexpected-and-traditional-and-what-they-mean-to-us\">the significance of heirlooms\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bird noted that sometimes the objects that become heirlooms are unexpected, saying, \"These are objects that their loved ones actually used, and maybe they didn't intend necessarily for those to be the heirlooms right there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Those are, I think, the objects that many of us are drawn to — that have that meaning,\" said Bird.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One listener, Ian, commented on KQED Forum's Instagram that his abuela gifted him her brother's stamp collection. It had stamps from all over the Americas and some from Europe, dating back through the 1930s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another listener, Beth, wrote that her favorite heirlooms were her dad's fountain pen and his bamboo fly-fishing rod. She wrote that those had previously been gifted to her father himself when he graduated university during the Great Depression.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We ultimately received so many answers about family heirlooms from listeners that they couldn’t all fit into \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101889960/family-heirlooms-unexpected-and-traditional-and-what-they-mean-to-us\">the hour-long KQED Forum show\u003c/a>, so we’ve compiled more of your stories here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A clear through line in all the responses? It's that our heirlooms, no matter how big or small, can help us feel closer to a loved one who is no longer with us — something that's often totally disconnected from the actual monetary worth of an object. Or as KQED Forum listener Cassandra put it: \"Isn't it funny that our most valued objects have little value?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Submissions have been lightly edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11923438\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11923438\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151.jpg\" alt=\"A handwritten letter lies on a table, with a stack of blue-toned envelopes -- presumably containing more letters -- in the background, tied with twine.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1127\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151-800x470.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151-1020x599.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151-160x94.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151-1536x902.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From letters and jewelry to clothing and furniture, you shared your treasured family heirlooms with us. \u003ccite>(Suzy Hazelwood/Pexels)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As I grew up, I always loved a ring my grandmother wore with multiple diamonds. When she passed, it was going to be broken up so that my half-sisters could each have a piece of it. They voted, unbeknownst to me, that since I was the oldest girl, I should receive it.\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"KQED Forum listener Sparrow\"]'When my dad passed away, I got a gold coin and a chain from him, and I never took it off. It stays right over my heart.'[/pullquote]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I cry twice when I see it sparkle — once missing my grandmother and thinking of memories — sometimes laughing. And twice at the generosity of my sisters. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>— Anonymous\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have two cherished heirlooms from my late mother: her wedding and engagement rings. I wear these only for the Christmas holiday. My mother wore her wedding band often, but rarely wore her one-carat diamond engagement band. I once asked her why and she thought it was \"too much.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mother had a signature scent and it was called Blue Grass. She only wore it when she and my father went out, which wasn't very often. After she passed away, I made sure to take her (almost full) bottle of this cologne, which I still have over 20 years after her passing. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>— Susie\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the early '60s, my father managed a machine shop. Once to thank him, the owner gave him a gold diamond ring. My dad appreciated it but would never wear it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I was 16, I asked my dad for it. He was happy to have to give it to me. I put it on my finger then and I have been wearing it ever since, now as a reminder of my father, who was the most wonderful dad ever. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>— Martin\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My grandma, Ruth Murillo, was an avid crocheter and used to make everyone a very intricate mantle as a wedding gift. She stopped when her eyesight worsened and her hands got tired. But she made an exception for my wedding in 2014. She has since passed, but I hope to pass my mantle to my children to show her amazing craftsmanship.\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"KQED Forum listener Marina, on their grandmother's wedding ring\"]'I wear it every day because I will remember her life, even when she doesn’t.'[/pullquote]\u003c/span>I’m a designer at Levi’s that works on women’s 501s [jeans]. I recently had my initials embroidered onto my personal favorite pair of 501s, as a way to celebrate my success at this company and in this industry. These jeans will be passed on to my kids once they don’t fit anymore. And with proper care, they’ll be worn by generations to come. \u003cem>\u003cstrong>— Marisela\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My grandmother had some beautiful silver that had been passed down to her. I loved to go underneath her bed and look at it, and one day she taught me how to polish it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mom gifted it to me and I cherish it. It reminds me of my childhood, and the joy my grandmother showed when she taught me about all the different pieces. Also, when my dad passed away, I got a gold coin and a chain from him, and I never took it off. It stays right over my heart.\u003cem>\u003cstrong> — Sparrow\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I wear my grandmother's wedding ring every day. In a moment of lucidity a few years ago, before her Alzheimer’s got really bad, she slipped it on my finger and asked me to keep it safe after she was gone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It is the only object she kept since the day she received it. I wear it every day because I will remember her life, even when she doesn’t.\u003cstrong> — \u003cem>Marina\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My grandfather went to the Cleveland School of Art in 1914 and made a living in commercial graphic art. So we have various items that he made that are loved by our family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For instance, a plaster cast of my mother's hand when she was about 5 years old. Also two diaries that he and his wife-to-be kept for five years apart, including through his time in WWI, when he was working in a Base Hospital Unit in Rouen, France. And a pastel portrait of him made by a French artist acquaintance of his during that time. \u003cem>\u003cstrong>— John \u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mother, Irma Maidenberg, was an amateur artist in a small Indiana town. She was inspired by the greats — Picasso, Miró, Klee — in creating whimsical figurines. People saw them and fell in love with them.\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"KQED Forum listener Reed, on their mother's artworks\"]'They make me smile inside, and I love sharing them with visitors. They convey a sense of joy and whimsy she embodied in her life.'[/pullquote]\u003c/span>She made hundreds and I have many. They make me smile inside, and I love sharing them with visitors. They convey a sense of joy and whimsy she embodied in her life. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>— Reed\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My husband died young, at age 47. We discussed what he wanted to keep for our daughter. But something so surprising and wonderful is that I opened his closet and garage to friends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I love to hear that they wore his cuff links to a wedding, or took his ski jacket or bike gear on a far-flung trip. And I know that those friends feel it, too. \u003cem>\u003cstrong>— Anonymous\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My father moved our family to California from Rhode Island in 1955. I was 8 years old and heartbroken at leaving my grandparents and aunts behind. When I got to California, I started writing letters to my grandmother. I kept the letters she sent back to me. She died in 1965, and I flew back to Rhode Island for the funeral. When I was there, I found she had saved the letters I had written to her, and I took them home to California.\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Anonymous KQED Forum listener, on gifting their husband's possessions to friends\"]'I love to hear that they wore his cuff links to a wedding, or took his ski jacket or bike gear on a far-flung trip. And I know that those friends feel it, too.'[/pullquote]\u003c/span>I still have that correspondence and it has prompted me to keep a journal for my 2-year-old granddaughter. I hope she'll treasure this as much as I've treasured the correspondence between me and my grandmother. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>—\u003c/em>\u003c/strong> \u003cem>\u003cstrong>Pat\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mom passed away in December 2020 in Germany. I had little time to choose what I wanted to keep and pack things up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I took what was closest to my heart, her favorite cups, books, photos, her notebooks and the stuff passed down by previous generations. Then I invited my mom's friends and family to take what they wanted to remember her, followed by neighbors and friends to take what they needed. \u003cem>\u003cstrong>—\u003c/strong> \u003cstrong>Anonymous\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have brought back from France the lamp my mother kept on her bedside table. It was one of the gifts she and my father received when they got married in 1943. Because of the war, it is made out of wood — not metal or pottery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I replaced the shade. I have it now in my living room, enjoying its soft light and remembering both of my parents. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>— Genevieve\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"KQED Forum listeners share their most treasured possessions passed down by family.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1661378222,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":33,"wordCount":1619},"headData":{"title":"'They Make Me Smile Inside': The Power of Family Heirlooms to Keep Loved Ones Close | KQED","description":"KQED Forum listeners share their most treasured possessions passed down by family.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"'They Make Me Smile Inside': The Power of Family Heirlooms to Keep Loved Ones Close","datePublished":"2022-08-24T20:39:52.000Z","dateModified":"2022-08-24T21:57:02.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11923381 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11923381","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/08/24/they-make-me-smile-inside-the-power-of-family-heirlooms-to-keep-loved-ones-close/","disqusTitle":"'They Make Me Smile Inside': The Power of Family Heirlooms to Keep Loved Ones Close","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11923381/they-make-me-smile-inside-the-power-of-family-heirlooms-to-keep-loved-ones-close","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Recently, KQED Forum asked listeners: \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101889960/family-heirlooms-unexpected-and-traditional-and-what-they-mean-to-us\">Do you have a treasured possession from your family?\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"What's an object you treasure, that you'd be devastated if you lost?\" asked host Mina Kim. \"Maybe a family heirloom — a portrait, a wedding dress, a chess set linking generations — that speaks to who our families are? Or maybe something you're hoping to pass down someday?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The answers resulted in a conversation between Kim, New Yorker magazine staff writer Hua Hsu and visual artist Ari Bird about \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101889960/family-heirlooms-unexpected-and-traditional-and-what-they-mean-to-us\">the significance of heirlooms\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bird noted that sometimes the objects that become heirlooms are unexpected, saying, \"These are objects that their loved ones actually used, and maybe they didn't intend necessarily for those to be the heirlooms right there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Those are, I think, the objects that many of us are drawn to — that have that meaning,\" said Bird.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One listener, Ian, commented on KQED Forum's Instagram that his abuela gifted him her brother's stamp collection. 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Or as KQED Forum listener Cassandra put it: \"Isn't it funny that our most valued objects have little value?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Submissions have been lightly edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11923438\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11923438\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151.jpg\" alt=\"A handwritten letter lies on a table, with a stack of blue-toned envelopes -- presumably containing more letters -- in the background, tied with twine.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1127\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151-800x470.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151-1020x599.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151-160x94.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/pexels-suzy-hazelwood-1157151-1536x902.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From letters and jewelry to clothing and furniture, you shared your treasured family heirlooms with us. \u003ccite>(Suzy Hazelwood/Pexels)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As I grew up, I always loved a ring my grandmother wore with multiple diamonds. When she passed, it was going to be broken up so that my half-sisters could each have a piece of it. They voted, unbeknownst to me, that since I was the oldest girl, I should receive it.\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'When my dad passed away, I got a gold coin and a chain from him, and I never took it off. It stays right over my heart.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"KQED Forum listener Sparrow","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I cry twice when I see it sparkle — once missing my grandmother and thinking of memories — sometimes laughing. And twice at the generosity of my sisters. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>— Anonymous\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have two cherished heirlooms from my late mother: her wedding and engagement rings. I wear these only for the Christmas holiday. My mother wore her wedding band often, but rarely wore her one-carat diamond engagement band. I once asked her why and she thought it was \"too much.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mother had a signature scent and it was called Blue Grass. She only wore it when she and my father went out, which wasn't very often. After she passed away, I made sure to take her (almost full) bottle of this cologne, which I still have over 20 years after her passing. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>— Susie\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the early '60s, my father managed a machine shop. Once to thank him, the owner gave him a gold diamond ring. My dad appreciated it but would never wear it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I was 16, I asked my dad for it. He was happy to have to give it to me. I put it on my finger then and I have been wearing it ever since, now as a reminder of my father, who was the most wonderful dad ever. \u003cstrong>\u003cem>— Martin\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My grandma, Ruth Murillo, was an avid crocheter and used to make everyone a very intricate mantle as a wedding gift. She stopped when her eyesight worsened and her hands got tired. But she made an exception for my wedding in 2014. She has since passed, but I hope to pass my mantle to my children to show her amazing craftsmanship.\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I wear it every day because I will remember her life, even when she doesn’t.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"KQED Forum listener Marina, on their grandmother's wedding ring","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/span>I’m a designer at Levi’s that works on women’s 501s [jeans]. I recently had my initials embroidered onto my personal favorite pair of 501s, as a way to celebrate my success at this company and in this industry. These jeans will be passed on to my kids once they don’t fit anymore. And with proper care, they’ll be worn by generations to come. \u003cem>\u003cstrong>— Marisela\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My grandmother had some beautiful silver that had been passed down to her. I loved to go underneath her bed and look at it, and one day she taught me how to polish it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mom gifted it to me and I cherish it. It reminds me of my childhood, and the joy my grandmother showed when she taught me about all the different pieces. Also, when my dad passed away, I got a gold coin and a chain from him, and I never took it off. It stays right over my heart.\u003cem>\u003cstrong> — Sparrow\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I wear my grandmother's wedding ring every day. In a moment of lucidity a few years ago, before her Alzheimer’s got really bad, she slipped it on my finger and asked me to keep it safe after she was gone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It is the only object she kept since the day she received it. 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But something so surprising and wonderful is that I opened his closet and garage to friends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I love to hear that they wore his cuff links to a wedding, or took his ski jacket or bike gear on a far-flung trip. And I know that those friends feel it, too. \u003cem>\u003cstrong>— Anonymous\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My father moved our family to California from Rhode Island in 1955. I was 8 years old and heartbroken at leaving my grandparents and aunts behind. When I got to California, I started writing letters to my grandmother. I kept the letters she sent back to me. She died in 1965, and I flew back to Rhode Island for the funeral. 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Problems that we think of as historical in fact continue to impact our lives on a daily basis.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These are the words of historian Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, who has dedicated her career to the impacts of systemic racial inequality resulting from historical and contemporary economic policies — as well as the transformative power of social movements.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her latest book, \"Race for Profit: How Banks and the Real Estate Industry Undermined Black Homeownership,\" was nominated for the 2020 Pulitzer Prize.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor, who is a MacArthur Fellowship, or \"genius grant,\" recipient and professor in the Department of African American Studies at Princeton University, recently spoke to KQED Forum's Alexis Madrigal for \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101885891/historian-keeanga-yamahtta-taylor-on-the-structures-of-racial-inequality-and-the-social-movements-fighting-it\">a conversation on the financial structures of racial inequality in the U.S\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Read on for historical and contextual highlights from their conversation, and listen to the full interview by hitting the pink-and-white play button above.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'Locked out'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>According to Taylor, an \"urban crisis\" developed in the years following World War II — one that had deep and long-lasting impacts for Black communities especially.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the war, she said, African Americans were \"locked out — of not only the emergent spoils that came about through the war effort, but also through the exclusion from the social safety net that had been created in the United States in the 1930s.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The exclusion of many Black people from state-mandated aid and the private sector \"meant that cities, where Black people were concentrated, were undergoing enormous hardship in terms of not enough good-paying jobs,\" Taylor said. Especially as \"jobs were moving to the periphery, to the suburbs for cheaper tax rates, and their housing was in a deplorable state,\" she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The U.S. government's policies from the 1930s had privileged building new housing in the suburbs, and that resulted in the deterioration of housing in American cities,\" said Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>African Americans' imminent migration from rural and southern areas to northern cities was not rewarded with \"the American Dream that earlier waves of immigrant populations had found in American cities,\" said Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Instead, she says, quoting Malcolm X, they found \"an American nightmare.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To Taylor, \"that kind of exclusion and deprivation in the face of enormous wealth and prosperity\" defined the urban crisis, which led to a series of social uprisings in the 1960s. And what became known as the \"urban crisis\" was in fact ultimately \"a crisis of American capitalism that was having its greatest consequence in the lives of ordinary Black people who were city-bound,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'The exclusionary practices of the state'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Learning about the Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Act of 1968 during her time in graduate school would set Taylor on her path of study.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor calls the act, signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in August of that year, \"the first attempt by the federal government to help low-income working-class Black renters become homeowners.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The housing programs of the 1930s HUD Act, which produced white working-class homeowners, \"had now come to be understood as exclusionary and involving\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/lowdown/18486/redlining\">practices that have been described as redlining\u003c/a>,\" Taylor explained, and \"Black people were largely excluded from those programs.\"[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor\"]'It was a crisis of American capitalism that was having its greatest consequence in the lives of ordinary Black people who were city-bound.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor notes how the federal policies enacted in the wake of the uprisings of the 1960s were prefaced by damaging and oppressive sentiments of the Nixon administration. In the late 1960s, Taylor explained, the federal government opened up homeownership to working-class Black families — but under then-president Nixon's popularized idea \"that if they own their own homes, they won't burn down the cities.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Many Republicans who backed this legislation believed that this was an opportunity to give Black people a stake in America's cities,\" she continued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to Taylor, this was \"also a signal from the real estate industry that there was a market to be constructed out of the inner city.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She explained the particular implications of this transitional period, saying, \"the programs of the '30s that had incentivized the movement of white people out of cities into suburban areas had left an abundance of housing in American cities unavailable, and unused.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, in Black neighborhoods, \"that housing was distressed. It was old. There had been very little new building,\" Taylor explained. \"All of a sudden, those conditions that had been created out of the exclusionary practices of the state were now used as evidence to treat Black consumers differently,\" said Taylor — but now \"those neighborhoods were determined to be risky.\"[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor\"]'All of a sudden, those conditions that had been created out of the exclusionary practices of the state were now used as evidence to treat Black consumers differently.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to Taylor, the most socially oppressive change brought about by the 1968 HUD Act was that \"Black people could now become homeowners, but it would be on different terms than had been available to white people in the 1930s.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'T\u003cstrong>he financial roots to segregation'\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>For Taylor, there have been many fundamental misunderstandings about segregation — both historically and continuing in the present day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We often think of segregation as just an expression of the will of white people,\" she says. \"'Do white people want to live near Black people? Do they want Black neighbors?'\" But Taylor advocates a different focus: on \"the financial roots to segregation, and understanding the economy that developed around segregation,\" said Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There was a willingness for the housing industry and the banks to shift their practice in the private sector,\" said Taylor. However, \"it was all done with the unspoken assurance that a new housing market for Black people could be built — but it had to be done so on a segregated basis.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked by Forum's Madrigal about the implications of utilizing a \"colorblind market approach\" to solve for lower-income housing, Taylor explained that it was \"a huge problem.\" The process of making racial discrimination in housing illegal in 1968 \"as if nothing ever happened,\" said Taylor, in fact demonstrated \"no effort to redress or repair the damage that had been done to the physical property in Black-majority neighborhoods.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The systemic oppression of real estate appraisal\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Black neighborhoods, says Taylor, have been \"systematically devalued\" by real estate appraisal — and that has fundamentally changed \"what homeownership means as a wealth-building vehicle\" for Black people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We really need to challenge this assumption that the promotion of single-family homeownership is the most important or even possible way to end the racial wealth gap,\" said Taylor, \"because it assumes that Black people owning homes has the same financial impact of white people owning homes.\" Because in reality, she notes, \"Black houses and Black-majority neighborhoods have been grossly devalued.\"[aside postID='news_11840548,news_11878403,news_11860308' label='Related Stories']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor cites \u003ca href=\"https://www.brookings.edu/research/devaluation-of-assets-in-black-neighborhoods/\">a study co-authored by Andre Perry, a senior fellow with the Metropolitan Policy Program at the Brookings Institution\u003c/a>, which found that homes in majority-Black neighborhoods are devalued by \"$150 billion less than homes of similar quality in white-majority neighborhoods.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And according to Taylor, \"there is not a single moment in the 20th century where the real estate and banking industries in the facilitation of housing creation have \u003cem>not\u003c/em> considered race.\" The exclusion of Black people, she says, is \"absolutely central to constructing, for [the real estate and banking industries], a healthy housing market.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Not only does this mean that homeownership literally functions differently for poor Black people,\" said Taylor, \"but it should compel us to question the role of homeownership in our society and why we have allowed this to become the vehicle through which we solve all of our large financial crises.\"[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor\"]'We really need to challenge this assumption that the promotion of single-family homeownership is the most important or even possible way to end the racial wealth gap.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This is an opportunity to think differently about what social provision is,\" said Taylor. \"For Black people, homeownership is not a 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Johnson in August of that year, \"the first attempt by the federal government to help low-income working-class Black renters become homeowners.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The housing programs of the 1930s HUD Act, which produced white working-class homeowners, \"had now come to be understood as exclusionary and involving\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/lowdown/18486/redlining\">practices that have been described as redlining\u003c/a>,\" Taylor explained, and \"Black people were largely excluded from those programs.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'It was a crisis of American capitalism that was having its greatest consequence in the lives of ordinary Black people who were city-bound.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor notes how the federal policies enacted in the wake of the uprisings of the 1960s were prefaced by damaging and oppressive sentiments of the Nixon administration. In the late 1960s, Taylor explained, the federal government opened up homeownership to working-class Black families — but under then-president Nixon's popularized idea \"that if they own their own homes, they won't burn down the cities.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Many Republicans who backed this legislation believed that this was an opportunity to give Black people a stake in America's cities,\" she continued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to Taylor, this was \"also a signal from the real estate industry that there was a market to be constructed out of the inner city.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She explained the particular implications of this transitional period, saying, \"the programs of the '30s that had incentivized the movement of white people out of cities into suburban areas had left an abundance of housing in American cities unavailable, and unused.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, in Black neighborhoods, \"that housing was distressed. It was old. There had been very little new building,\" Taylor explained. \"All of a sudden, those conditions that had been created out of the exclusionary practices of the state were now used as evidence to treat Black consumers differently,\" said Taylor — but now \"those neighborhoods were determined to be risky.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'All of a sudden, those conditions that had been created out of the exclusionary practices of the state were now used as evidence to treat Black consumers differently.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to Taylor, the most socially oppressive change brought about by the 1968 HUD Act was that \"Black people could now become homeowners, but it would be on different terms than had been available to white people in the 1930s.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'T\u003cstrong>he financial roots to segregation'\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>For Taylor, there have been many fundamental misunderstandings about segregation — both historically and continuing in the present day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We often think of segregation as just an expression of the will of white people,\" she says. \"'Do white people want to live near Black people? Do they want Black neighbors?'\" But Taylor advocates a different focus: on \"the financial roots to segregation, and understanding the economy that developed around segregation,\" said Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There was a willingness for the housing industry and the banks to shift their practice in the private sector,\" said Taylor. However, \"it was all done with the unspoken assurance that a new housing market for Black people could be built — but it had to be done so on a segregated basis.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked by Forum's Madrigal about the implications of utilizing a \"colorblind market approach\" to solve for lower-income housing, Taylor explained that it was \"a huge problem.\" The process of making racial discrimination in housing illegal in 1968 \"as if nothing ever happened,\" said Taylor, in fact demonstrated \"no effort to redress or repair the damage that had been done to the physical property in Black-majority neighborhoods.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The systemic oppression of real estate appraisal\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Black neighborhoods, says Taylor, have been \"systematically devalued\" by real estate appraisal — and that has fundamentally changed \"what homeownership means as a wealth-building vehicle\" for Black people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We really need to challenge this assumption that the promotion of single-family homeownership is the most important or even possible way to end the racial wealth gap,\" said Taylor, \"because it assumes that Black people owning homes has the same financial impact of white people owning homes.\" Because in reality, she notes, \"Black houses and Black-majority neighborhoods have been grossly devalued.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11840548,news_11878403,news_11860308","label":"Related Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor cites \u003ca href=\"https://www.brookings.edu/research/devaluation-of-assets-in-black-neighborhoods/\">a study co-authored by Andre Perry, a senior fellow with the Metropolitan Policy Program at the Brookings Institution\u003c/a>, which found that homes in majority-Black neighborhoods are devalued by \"$150 billion less than homes of similar quality in white-majority neighborhoods.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And according to Taylor, \"there is not a single moment in the 20th century where the real estate and banking industries in the facilitation of housing creation have \u003cem>not\u003c/em> considered race.\" The exclusion of Black people, she says, is \"absolutely central to constructing, for [the real estate and banking industries], a healthy housing market.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Not only does this mean that homeownership literally functions differently for poor Black people,\" said Taylor, \"but it should compel us to question the role of homeownership in our society and why we have allowed this to become the vehicle through which we solve all of our large financial crises.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'We really need to challenge this assumption that the promotion of single-family homeownership is the most important or even possible way to end the racial wealth gap.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This is an opportunity to think differently about what social provision is,\" said Taylor. \"For Black people, homeownership is not a viable road to ending the racial wealth gap in the U.S.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"One of the questions that we have to ask is: How do we get the private sector ... out of the production of housing for ordinary people?\" said Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>To listen to Taylor's full interview, click the pink-and-white play button at the top of this post. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11893704/historian-keeanga-yamahtta-taylor-on-the-racial-wealth-gap-and-the-crisis-of-american-capitalism","authors":["11759","11757"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_30652","news_160","news_30218","news_5946","news_20219"],"featImg":"news_11894775","label":"news"},"news_11877838":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11877838","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11877838","score":null,"sort":[1623787834000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-work-that-makes-all-other-work-possible-ai-jen-poo-on-why-home-care-workers-are-infrastructure-workers","title":"'The Work That Makes All Other Work Possible': Ai-jen Poo on Why Home Care Workers Are Infrastructure Workers","publishDate":1623787834,"format":"audio","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>The COVID-19 pandemic put a spotlight on the importance of child care, in-home care and support for the elderly as well as for members of the disability community across the nation. Now, one of the most contentious parts of negotiations with Republicans over President Biden's infrastructure plan has to do with the administration's inclusion of \u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/why-care-work-infrastructure/618588/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">$400 billion in spending for at-home care for the elderly and people with disabilities\u003c/a>, with the administration arguing that such domestic work is as essential to a functioning economy as roads and bridges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED’s Mina Kim spoke with \u003ca href=\"https://www.pbs.org/newshour/brief/375509/ai-jen-poo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ai-jen Poo\u003c/a>, director of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.domesticworkers.org/press/spokespersons/ai-jen-poo/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">National Domestic Workers Alliance\u003c/a>, about domestic workers and what it means to include this work in the infrastructure plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Why Care Work Is Best Described as Infrastructure\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> We've always talked about how domestic work, the work that happens inside of our homes to take care of our family members, our children, our loved ones with disabilities, our aging loved ones, really is the work that makes all other work possible. Having access to care makes it possible for all of us to go out into the world and do what we do every single day.[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Ai-jen Poo, director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance\"]'If you think about the definition of infrastructure, it's really that which enables society and the economy to function. And what could be more fundamental than having the ability to take care of your loved ones as you prepare to work and participate in our workforce and economy?’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you think about the definition of infrastructure, it's really that which enables society and the economy to function. And what could be more fundamental than having the ability to take care of your loved ones as you prepare to work and participate in our workforce and economy?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even if you think about the traditional definition of infrastructure, roads, bridges, tunnels, all of the people who are rebuilding our bridges and fixing our tunnels, they need care, too. So maybe it's the first form of infrastructure before anything else.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'Single Greatest Opportunity in Generations'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>What do you think about the fact that care work is now in a presidential infrastructure bill?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> I think it's the single greatest opportunity we've had in generations to establish the kind of policies and programs we need to support our ability to care for our families as we work. It's necessary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even before the pandemic, many of us were simmering in a care crisis. We have a situation where the baby boom generation is aging into retirement at a rate of 10,000 people per day, turning 65 every 8 seconds. We've basically added an entire generation onto our lifespan and we haven't adopted any of our systems or policy to support a quality of life and the care we need as we live longer. On both ends of the generational spectrum, we need more care than ever before at a time when we have less of it. Our default care infrastructure in previous generations was just expecting that women will stay home and be full-time family caregivers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Ai-jen Poo, director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance\"]'The fact that the work as a profession has always been associated with women of color has profoundly shaped the way that we've treated this work in law, policy and in culture.'[/pullquote]We need programs, policies, systems and a strong care workforce to support us. There are over 2.5 million [care workers], and they're overwhelmingly women — 92% women and majority women of color, including many immigrant women. This is actually the part of the economy with the highest concentration of undocumented immigrants of any workforce. They are also majority primary income earners for their families and majority mothers of small children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have a workforce who is essential not only to the families they support, but their own families and communities. And it's also a workforce that has always been majority women of color. Some of the first domestic workers in the U.S. were enslaved Black women. And the fact that the work as a profession has always been associated with women of color has profoundly shaped the way that we've treated this work in law, policy and in culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Starting in the 1930s, when we were putting our foundational labor laws into place, this workforce was excluded intentionally as a result of racism and the legacy of slavery in our country. And it created a situation of extreme insecurity when domestic workers entered a crisis like a pandemic — it just became incredibly exacerbated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11877959\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1355px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1355\" height=\"1003\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11877959\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut.jpg 1355w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut-800x592.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut-1020x755.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut-160x118.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1355px) 100vw, 1355px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sen. Alex Padilla speaks with children during a visit to Mission Kids Preschool in San Francisco on June 1, 2021. The visit was part of Padilla's 'Infrastructure Listening Tour.' \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Structural Problems in Pay and Working Conditions\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Could you talk a little bit more about some of the more common structural problems that you see regarding pay and working conditions?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> Eighty-two percent of domestic workers didn't have a single paid sick day. When the second stay-at-home orders came down, you saw dramatic losses in jobs and income because there's no job security, there's no contract or work agreement. The wages are essentially poverty wages. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So most domestic workers didn't have the savings to be able to fall back on. I remember in March of 2020, in the first weeks of the pandemic, we held a meeting on Zoom with some of our members and one of them held her phone up to the Zoom screen to show us that she literally had 1 cent left in her bank account.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What Investing in the Care Economy Looks Like\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>When you say investment in care workers and the care economy, what does it look like?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> The Biden \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/31/fact-sheet-the-american-jobs-plan/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">American Jobs Plan\u003c/a> proposed a $400 billion investment in Medicaid, home and community-based care. What that money would do is expand access to home and community-based services and care for the elderly, and people with disabilities. And it would support raising wages and access to benefits for the workforce.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Right now, the average annual income of a home care worker is $17,000 per year. I don't know a single community where that is sustainable, let alone enough to raise a family on. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Ai-jen Poo, director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance\"]'If you're a parent or you're a primary caregiver for a family member who needs assistance with activities of daily life, you know that it's an impossible choice between work and family members who need you for their basic human needs.'[/pullquote]What we end up seeing is high rates of turnover because people simply cannot survive and sustain themselves doing this work ... because the wages are so poor and the conditions are so tough, we have huge parts of this country that we call home care deserts or direct care deserts because people can't get the support that they need in order to live in their communities. They end up either having to go into a nursing home or having to rely on overstretched family caregivers who have to make impossible choices about whether or not they can work. The money to Medicaid would specifically raise wages for the home care workforce and strengthen that workforce so that they can stay and sustain themselves doing this work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It would expand access to the services for over 800,000 people who are on waiting lists and the millions more who don't even know there's a waiting list to wait on.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>A Cultural Shift\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>What evidence do you have that there is a tangible cultural shift happening here?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> I do feel this incredible rage, we call it the \"mom's rage,\" that incredible frustration that moms are feeling and have felt throughout the pandemic. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you're a parent or you're a primary caregiver for a family member who needs assistance with activities of daily life, you know that it's an impossible choice between work and family members who need you for their basic human needs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The kind of rage that I'm feeling, especially from women who disproportionately bear the brunt of caregiving responsibilities in our country, and especially women of color who've been pushed out of the workforce by the millions, almost 5 million women pushed out of the workforce in the pandemic because of caregiving challenges. That is an indicator that something is very broken.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If we are to pull ourselves back from the regression to 1988 women's workforce participation levels, we're going to have to rebuild and build something really different. I think people know that in their guts. This cultural norm that we have around care being an individual responsibility and a responsibility of individual families is one that is very deep. It's not like we're going to move past it overnight. And it's not that it isn't the responsibility of women and families and individuals, but it is about what is our responsibility collectively to each other as a society to ensure that we have real choices and real agency when it comes to the people we love.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Protections for Undocumented Domestic Workers\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Can you comment on protections for undocumented domestic workers?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> There are a tremendous number of undocumented workers — essential workers in this industry. [aside tag=\"undocumented\" label=\"Related Stories\"] We've been working really hard to make sure that we seize upon this moment as we're imagining an economic recovery that is inclusive and supportive of essential workers and includes undocumented domestic workers and care workers that have kept us safe through the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sen. Alex Padilla from California has introduced legislation to create a path to citizenship for the 5 million essential workers across industries through this time of crisis, and so we are very busy trying to get support for that legislation. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It could be really transformative and it would be inclusive of domestic workers, so let the senator know that you really support his efforts and help us get people signed on to that bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The Biden administration infrastructure bill includes $400 billion for home care work. Ai-jen Poo of the National Domestic Workers Alliance says it's a huge opportunity to establish much-needed support for workers and the families they care for.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1623798307,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":31,"wordCount":1770},"headData":{"title":"'The Work That Makes All Other Work Possible': Ai-jen Poo on Why Home Care Workers Are Infrastructure Workers | KQED","description":"The Biden administration infrastructure bill includes $400 billion for home care work. 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Now, one of the most contentious parts of negotiations with Republicans over President Biden's infrastructure plan has to do with the administration's inclusion of \u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/why-care-work-infrastructure/618588/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">$400 billion in spending for at-home care for the elderly and people with disabilities\u003c/a>, with the administration arguing that such domestic work is as essential to a functioning economy as roads and bridges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED’s Mina Kim spoke with \u003ca href=\"https://www.pbs.org/newshour/brief/375509/ai-jen-poo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ai-jen Poo\u003c/a>, director of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.domesticworkers.org/press/spokespersons/ai-jen-poo/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">National Domestic Workers Alliance\u003c/a>, about domestic workers and what it means to include this work in the infrastructure plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Why Care Work Is Best Described as Infrastructure\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> We've always talked about how domestic work, the work that happens inside of our homes to take care of our family members, our children, our loved ones with disabilities, our aging loved ones, really is the work that makes all other work possible. Having access to care makes it possible for all of us to go out into the world and do what we do every single day.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'If you think about the definition of infrastructure, it's really that which enables society and the economy to function. And what could be more fundamental than having the ability to take care of your loved ones as you prepare to work and participate in our workforce and economy?’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Ai-jen Poo, director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you think about the definition of infrastructure, it's really that which enables society and the economy to function. And what could be more fundamental than having the ability to take care of your loved ones as you prepare to work and participate in our workforce and economy?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even if you think about the traditional definition of infrastructure, roads, bridges, tunnels, all of the people who are rebuilding our bridges and fixing our tunnels, they need care, too. So maybe it's the first form of infrastructure before anything else.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>'Single Greatest Opportunity in Generations'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>What do you think about the fact that care work is now in a presidential infrastructure bill?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> I think it's the single greatest opportunity we've had in generations to establish the kind of policies and programs we need to support our ability to care for our families as we work. It's necessary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even before the pandemic, many of us were simmering in a care crisis. We have a situation where the baby boom generation is aging into retirement at a rate of 10,000 people per day, turning 65 every 8 seconds. We've basically added an entire generation onto our lifespan and we haven't adopted any of our systems or policy to support a quality of life and the care we need as we live longer. On both ends of the generational spectrum, we need more care than ever before at a time when we have less of it. Our default care infrastructure in previous generations was just expecting that women will stay home and be full-time family caregivers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The fact that the work as a profession has always been associated with women of color has profoundly shaped the way that we've treated this work in law, policy and in culture.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Ai-jen Poo, director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>We need programs, policies, systems and a strong care workforce to support us. There are over 2.5 million [care workers], and they're overwhelmingly women — 92% women and majority women of color, including many immigrant women. This is actually the part of the economy with the highest concentration of undocumented immigrants of any workforce. They are also majority primary income earners for their families and majority mothers of small children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have a workforce who is essential not only to the families they support, but their own families and communities. And it's also a workforce that has always been majority women of color. Some of the first domestic workers in the U.S. were enslaved Black women. And the fact that the work as a profession has always been associated with women of color has profoundly shaped the way that we've treated this work in law, policy and in culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Starting in the 1930s, when we were putting our foundational labor laws into place, this workforce was excluded intentionally as a result of racism and the legacy of slavery in our country. And it created a situation of extreme insecurity when domestic workers entered a crisis like a pandemic — it just became incredibly exacerbated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11877959\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1355px\">\u003cimg src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1355\" height=\"1003\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11877959\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut.jpg 1355w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut-800x592.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut-1020x755.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/RS49609_015_SanFrancisco_AlexPadillaMissionKids_06012021-qut-160x118.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1355px) 100vw, 1355px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sen. Alex Padilla speaks with children during a visit to Mission Kids Preschool in San Francisco on June 1, 2021. The visit was part of Padilla's 'Infrastructure Listening Tour.' \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Structural Problems in Pay and Working Conditions\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Could you talk a little bit more about some of the more common structural problems that you see regarding pay and working conditions?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> Eighty-two percent of domestic workers didn't have a single paid sick day. When the second stay-at-home orders came down, you saw dramatic losses in jobs and income because there's no job security, there's no contract or work agreement. The wages are essentially poverty wages. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So most domestic workers didn't have the savings to be able to fall back on. I remember in March of 2020, in the first weeks of the pandemic, we held a meeting on Zoom with some of our members and one of them held her phone up to the Zoom screen to show us that she literally had 1 cent left in her bank account.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What Investing in the Care Economy Looks Like\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>When you say investment in care workers and the care economy, what does it look like?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> The Biden \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/31/fact-sheet-the-american-jobs-plan/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">American Jobs Plan\u003c/a> proposed a $400 billion investment in Medicaid, home and community-based care. What that money would do is expand access to home and community-based services and care for the elderly, and people with disabilities. And it would support raising wages and access to benefits for the workforce.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Right now, the average annual income of a home care worker is $17,000 per year. I don't know a single community where that is sustainable, let alone enough to raise a family on. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'If you're a parent or you're a primary caregiver for a family member who needs assistance with activities of daily life, you know that it's an impossible choice between work and family members who need you for their basic human needs.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Ai-jen Poo, director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>What we end up seeing is high rates of turnover because people simply cannot survive and sustain themselves doing this work ... because the wages are so poor and the conditions are so tough, we have huge parts of this country that we call home care deserts or direct care deserts because people can't get the support that they need in order to live in their communities. They end up either having to go into a nursing home or having to rely on overstretched family caregivers who have to make impossible choices about whether or not they can work. The money to Medicaid would specifically raise wages for the home care workforce and strengthen that workforce so that they can stay and sustain themselves doing this work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It would expand access to the services for over 800,000 people who are on waiting lists and the millions more who don't even know there's a waiting list to wait on.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>A Cultural Shift\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>What evidence do you have that there is a tangible cultural shift happening here?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> I do feel this incredible rage, we call it the \"mom's rage,\" that incredible frustration that moms are feeling and have felt throughout the pandemic. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you're a parent or you're a primary caregiver for a family member who needs assistance with activities of daily life, you know that it's an impossible choice between work and family members who need you for their basic human needs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The kind of rage that I'm feeling, especially from women who disproportionately bear the brunt of caregiving responsibilities in our country, and especially women of color who've been pushed out of the workforce by the millions, almost 5 million women pushed out of the workforce in the pandemic because of caregiving challenges. That is an indicator that something is very broken.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If we are to pull ourselves back from the regression to 1988 women's workforce participation levels, we're going to have to rebuild and build something really different. I think people know that in their guts. This cultural norm that we have around care being an individual responsibility and a responsibility of individual families is one that is very deep. It's not like we're going to move past it overnight. And it's not that it isn't the responsibility of women and families and individuals, but it is about what is our responsibility collectively to each other as a society to ensure that we have real choices and real agency when it comes to the people we love.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Protections for Undocumented Domestic Workers\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Can you comment on protections for undocumented domestic workers?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ai-jen Poo:\u003c/strong> There are a tremendous number of undocumented workers — essential workers in this industry. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"undocumented","label":"Related Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp> We've been working really hard to make sure that we seize upon this moment as we're imagining an economic recovery that is inclusive and supportive of essential workers and includes undocumented domestic workers and care workers that have kept us safe through the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sen. Alex Padilla from California has introduced legislation to create a path to citizenship for the 5 million essential workers across industries through this time of crisis, and so we are very busy trying to get support for that legislation. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It could be really transformative and it would be inclusive of domestic workers, so let the senator know that you really support his efforts and help us get people signed on to that bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11877838/the-work-that-makes-all-other-work-possible-ai-jen-poo-on-why-home-care-workers-are-infrastructure-workers","authors":["243","11626"],"categories":["news_1758","news_457","news_8"],"tags":["news_29571","news_29573","news_18538","news_26334","news_29572","news_27989","news_27504","news_26115","news_20277","news_1730","news_717","news_5946","news_19904"],"featImg":"news_11877960","label":"news"},"news_11873841":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11873841","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11873841","score":null,"sort":[1622674838000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"decriminalizing-psychedelic-drugs-in-california-as-senate-considers-bill-debate-continues","title":"Amid Ongoing Debate, State Senate Approves Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelic Drugs in California","publishDate":1622674838,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>The California Senate approved legislation to decriminalize the possession or sharing of psychedelic drugs, Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://sd11.senate.ca.gov/news/20210218-senator-wiener-introduces-legislation-decriminalize-possession-and-personal-use\">Senate Bill 519\u003c/a>, introduced by state Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco, now heads to the state Assembly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is a big step for this legislation and for our movement to end the war on drugs and to take a more health and science-based approach and to move away from criminalization of drugs,” Wiener said in a Twitter video posted on Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1399867521612881921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1399867521612881921%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffox40.com%2Fnews%2Flocal-news%2Fcalifornia-senate-passes-bill-to-decriminalize-psychedelic-drugs%2F\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The legislation would allow doctors to prescribe psychedelics for treating mental health disorders such as depression and PTSD. It would also allow psychedelics for personal use, and expunge criminal records for people with prior convictions for possession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In May, the medical journal Nature Medicine published results of \u003ca href=\"https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3\">a study using the psychedelic drug MDMA\u003c/a>, also known as ecstasy, to treat post-traumatic stress disorder among research participants who received the drug, along with counseling. Sixty-seven percent felt their condition had improved to the extent that they no longer qualified for a diagnosis of PTSD.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This study adds to a small but growing body of scientific literature exploring the use of psychedelics like MDMA, LSD and psilocybin as therapy for a range of mental health conditions, including depression, eating disorders and end-of-life anxiety. The bill now working its way through the state Legislature aims to build on this momentum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While many veterans and drug advocacy groups support the bill, opponents say the legislation would lead to an increased rate of psychedelic drugs sold and recreationally used. On May 14, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101883458/ca-could-become-the-latest-state-to-decriminalize-psychedelics\">KQED Forum host April Dembosky\u003c/a> talked to the following people involved in this debate:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Juliana Mercer\u003c/strong>, a Marine Corps veteran who used psychedelic therapy to overcome her trauma from her time serving in Iraq and Afghanistan\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Sen. Scott Wiener\u003c/strong>, represents San Francisco in the state Senate\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman\u003c/strong>, former president of the American Psychiatric Association and chairman of the Department of Psychiatry, Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Larry Morse, \u003c/strong>legislative director, California District Attorneys Association\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Dr. Robert Grant\u003c/strong>, professor of medicine at UCSF and prominent academic voice around decriminalization and psychedelic therapy\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>A Veteran's Personal Experience\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Juliana Mercer graduated military boot camp one week before Sept. 11, 2001, and served in the United States Marines for 16 years. She served two tours of duty, one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Juliana Mercer:\u003c/strong> Between Iraq and Afghanistan, where I saw the traumas of war in between those two deployments, I spent five years working with our wounded in San Diego at the naval hospital, and I did everything that was non-medical for helping them in a holistic way to get back into their lives with their injuries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During those five years I saw the direct result of war; not just the physical trauma, but the mental trauma. And I did my job every day and did it happily because I was helping my brothers and sisters. But losing quite a few fellow Marines and other veterans to suicide between two war deployments really took a toll on me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I didn't realize that they had taken a toll on me because I was doing my job every day. A few years after exiting the service and continuing to work with nonprofits that help veterans, I felt just this loss of purpose. Even though I was doing purposeful work, I had a loss of who my authentic self was. My first interaction with these medicines really opened up the acknowledgment that I had suffered a lot of loss, and there was a lot of grief in there. It started to help me unpack all of the grief that I had, and hadn't revisited because I was so busy doing my job and taking care of my Marines.\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[aside postID=\"science_1956693\"]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Mercer eventually connected with the \u003ca href=\"https://www.heroicheartsproject.org/\">Heroic Hearts Project\u003c/a>, which specializes in ayahuasca therapy with military veterans, and traveled to a retreat center in Costa Rica for treatment.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We were there for 10 days and we had four sessions with ayahuasca. And these sessions where you drink the medicine, which is the root that's found in the Amazon, administered by a shaman.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You go into these sessions with intentions of what you want to accomplish and what you want to bring up. I think a session lasts anywhere from six to 12 hours. The ayahuasca and psychedelic medicines really opens you up. They open up your heart and they let you start looking inside of yourself, figuring out what the blockages are.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These sessions are [like] 10 years of therapy.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The Proposed Legislation Around Psychedelics\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>State Sen. Scott Wiener:\u003c/strong> The legislation is sponsored by [the Heroic Hearts Project], as well as another group of vets that also works with veterans experiencing PTSD, addiction, other mental health challenges, and combat veterans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And right now, these groups are having to send these combat veterans to other countries, to Costa Rica, to Peru, to Mexico to get treatment. We think to ourselves how outrageous it is that these are people who have gone to war for our country, who have sustained terrible injuries — physical and mental — serving our country, and we're making it illegal for them to get effective treatment in the U.S. and forcing them to travel to another country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I watched what was happening in Oregon and in various cities around the country as part of the movement towards drug decriminalization. The war on drugs has failed. Incarcerating people for using drugs doesn't work. We need to take a health-based approach. And for psychedelics in particular, the mounting evidence of the health benefits of all of these substances is just extraordinary. People whose lives are being saved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And yet we have stuck with this terrible criminalization approach and say, no, you can't have your medicine, it's illegal. And if you possess your medicine, you might get arrested and go to jail. And so the bill simply decriminalizes the possession of psychedelics. It actually does not authorize doctors to prescribe. That would require a change in federal law so that the doctors wouldn't lose their prescribing privileges. But that, we hope, will happen at some point. But for now, we want to make sure that California stops arresting and prosecuting people for possessing psychedelics. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco\"]'We want to make sure that California stops arresting and prosecuting people for possessing psychedelics.’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We want to effectively decriminalize it and move towards legalization, and then create pathways for people to expunge their records. It's hard to describe how destructive the war on drugs has been. It has cost this country untold billions. A lot of people have criminal records because they were low-level drug offenses, and we want to make sure that they can clear their records and not have those convictions hanging over them, which can have implications for housing and for employment. So it's about saying, \"Listen, we made a mistake by criminalizing these substances. We're moving away from that now.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What Could the Drawbacks of Decriminalizing Psychedelics Be?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, Columbia University:\u003c/strong> Hopefully we won't commit the same mistake that we did in the '60s where things got out of control, and they were used recreationally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>First, let me just say that I completely agree with the legislation. These drugs should not be criminalized. There should be decriminalization. Secondly, I enthusiastically endorse their study for therapeutic uses for various types of conditions. [aside postID=\"science_1970825\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But at the same time, I'm very concerned that we're rushing headlong to a point where practice is leaping ahead of knowledge. And the first way in which this is evident is the fact that \"psychedelics\" is the term that's being used to define a certain group of psychoactive drugs. But it's being used in a way that's not precise.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Psychedelics really refer to compounds that have been used by Indigenous peoples ritualistically for centuries, and then synthetically replicated. Ecstasy, MDMA, ketamine, ibogaine are not classical psychedelics. They have different clinical effects and they have different potential uses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All of these drugs do have some potential uses. The problem is they have not been studied sufficiently to know what they are. So if we let the genie out of the bottle too soon, and base it on the enthusiasm of true believers who have had positive experiences, we're potentially risking trouble.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If this is such a big thing socially for our population and people are benefiting from it and want to have access to it, why isn't it being studied in the way that rigorously and systematically it should be?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Morse, California District Attorneys Association:\u003c/strong> I endorse completely what Dr. Lieberman said about the lack of adequate studies that we are talking about: powerful, powerful drugs, LSD.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'm of the generation where I literally remember being with people having an extraordinarily bad experience with LSD all through the evening. And it is a flight of naivete to believe that if we make this more readily accessible, legalize this, that it is not going to be used by kids. They are going to get access to it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We are talking about making a drug more readily available. And it is just denial to suggest that it will not fall into the hands of 15-, 16-, 17-year-olds who will have terrible, terrible, terrifying experiences that have significant likelihood or possibility of long-term effects.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Psychosis, paranoia, schizophrenia. This is not like some really strong weed. These are powerful drugs that have dramatic effects on people's moods and can lead to just horrific consequences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The Prevalence and Equity of Psychedelic Medicines\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dr. Robert Grant, UCSF:\u003c/strong> Psychedelics are already in widespread use in the United States. Surveys have shown that something like 30 million Americans have used psychedelic medicines in their lives and something like 1 million use them on any given year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So these medicines are being used. They're being used largely in a criminalized context where people have to be very shy about talking about how they've used psychedelics, and under what circumstances, and who provided them, and whether that was a good setting for their work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The huge advantage of this particular legislation is that it allows for all of that underground use, which is already happening, to come out and be more public — so that people can talk about when their use of psychedelics went well, and when it went badly. These kinds of open discussions are not possible now because of criminalization, and decriminalization will change that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Three-quarters of the participants in the trial cited in Nature Medicine's \u003ca href=\"https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3\">study of MDMA and PTSD\u003c/a> were white. What do we know about the effectiveness of this drug, and access to it, for people of color?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Clinical trials in general tend to recruit predominantly white populations, and we think that that's an issue of trust — that researchers need to do more to establish trust with communities of color. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Dr. Robert Grant, UCSF\"]'We do know that communities of color are using these therapies. And we also know that communities of color and queer communities are at much higher risk of having PTSD. So the unmet medical need for those communities of color is enormous, and larger than in other populations.’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We do know that communities of color are using these therapies. And we also know that communities of color and queer communities are at much higher risk of having PTSD. So the unmet medical need for those communities of color is enormous, and larger than in other populations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Medicalization pathways left there on their own without decriminalization will be difficult and delayed, and will have even more difficulty recruiting people of color while we have criminalization laws on the books. So this decriminalization law, I believe, will make it easier for the National Institutes of Health to fund these studies, and that will make it easier for people of color to participate in those studies. And it'll make it easier for people who are using these medicines therapeutically to talk about their experiences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Listen to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101883458/ca-could-become-the-latest-state-to-decriminalize-psychedelics\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">KQED Forum\u003c/a> to hear the full episode.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The original version of this story was published on May 16.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Senate Bill 519, which passed the state Senate on Tuesday and now moves to the Assembly, would allow doctors in California to prescribe psychedelics for treating mental health disorders such as depression and PTSD. It would also permit psychedelics for personal use, and expunge criminal records for people with prior convictions for possession.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1622681973,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":42,"wordCount":2129},"headData":{"title":"Amid Ongoing Debate, State Senate Approves Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelic Drugs in California | KQED","description":"Senate Bill 519, which passed the state Senate on Tuesday and now moves to the Assembly, would allow doctors in California to prescribe psychedelics for treating mental health disorders such as depression and PTSD. 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Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco, now heads to the state Assembly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is a big step for this legislation and for our movement to end the war on drugs and to take a more health and science-based approach and to move away from criminalization of drugs,” Wiener said in a Twitter video posted on Tuesday.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1399867521612881921"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The legislation would allow doctors to prescribe psychedelics for treating mental health disorders such as depression and PTSD. It would also allow psychedelics for personal use, and expunge criminal records for people with prior convictions for possession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In May, the medical journal Nature Medicine published results of \u003ca href=\"https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3\">a study using the psychedelic drug MDMA\u003c/a>, also known as ecstasy, to treat post-traumatic stress disorder among research participants who received the drug, along with counseling. Sixty-seven percent felt their condition had improved to the extent that they no longer qualified for a diagnosis of PTSD.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This study adds to a small but growing body of scientific literature exploring the use of psychedelics like MDMA, LSD and psilocybin as therapy for a range of mental health conditions, including depression, eating disorders and end-of-life anxiety. The bill now working its way through the state Legislature aims to build on this momentum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While many veterans and drug advocacy groups support the bill, opponents say the legislation would lead to an increased rate of psychedelic drugs sold and recreationally used. On May 14, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101883458/ca-could-become-the-latest-state-to-decriminalize-psychedelics\">KQED Forum host April Dembosky\u003c/a> talked to the following people involved in this debate:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Juliana Mercer\u003c/strong>, a Marine Corps veteran who used psychedelic therapy to overcome her trauma from her time serving in Iraq and Afghanistan\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Sen. Scott Wiener\u003c/strong>, represents San Francisco in the state Senate\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman\u003c/strong>, former president of the American Psychiatric Association and chairman of the Department of Psychiatry, Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Larry Morse, \u003c/strong>legislative director, California District Attorneys Association\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Dr. Robert Grant\u003c/strong>, professor of medicine at UCSF and prominent academic voice around decriminalization and psychedelic therapy\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>A Veteran's Personal Experience\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Juliana Mercer graduated military boot camp one week before Sept. 11, 2001, and served in the United States Marines for 16 years. She served two tours of duty, one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Juliana Mercer:\u003c/strong> Between Iraq and Afghanistan, where I saw the traumas of war in between those two deployments, I spent five years working with our wounded in San Diego at the naval hospital, and I did everything that was non-medical for helping them in a holistic way to get back into their lives with their injuries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During those five years I saw the direct result of war; not just the physical trauma, but the mental trauma. And I did my job every day and did it happily because I was helping my brothers and sisters. But losing quite a few fellow Marines and other veterans to suicide between two war deployments really took a toll on me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I didn't realize that they had taken a toll on me because I was doing my job every day. A few years after exiting the service and continuing to work with nonprofits that help veterans, I felt just this loss of purpose. Even though I was doing purposeful work, I had a loss of who my authentic self was. My first interaction with these medicines really opened up the acknowledgment that I had suffered a lot of loss, and there was a lot of grief in there. It started to help me unpack all of the grief that I had, and hadn't revisited because I was so busy doing my job and taking care of my Marines.\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"science_1956693","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Mercer eventually connected with the \u003ca href=\"https://www.heroicheartsproject.org/\">Heroic Hearts Project\u003c/a>, which specializes in ayahuasca therapy with military veterans, and traveled to a retreat center in Costa Rica for treatment.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We were there for 10 days and we had four sessions with ayahuasca. And these sessions where you drink the medicine, which is the root that's found in the Amazon, administered by a shaman.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You go into these sessions with intentions of what you want to accomplish and what you want to bring up. I think a session lasts anywhere from six to 12 hours. The ayahuasca and psychedelic medicines really opens you up. They open up your heart and they let you start looking inside of yourself, figuring out what the blockages are.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These sessions are [like] 10 years of therapy.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The Proposed Legislation Around Psychedelics\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>State Sen. Scott Wiener:\u003c/strong> The legislation is sponsored by [the Heroic Hearts Project], as well as another group of vets that also works with veterans experiencing PTSD, addiction, other mental health challenges, and combat veterans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And right now, these groups are having to send these combat veterans to other countries, to Costa Rica, to Peru, to Mexico to get treatment. We think to ourselves how outrageous it is that these are people who have gone to war for our country, who have sustained terrible injuries — physical and mental — serving our country, and we're making it illegal for them to get effective treatment in the U.S. and forcing them to travel to another country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I watched what was happening in Oregon and in various cities around the country as part of the movement towards drug decriminalization. The war on drugs has failed. Incarcerating people for using drugs doesn't work. We need to take a health-based approach. And for psychedelics in particular, the mounting evidence of the health benefits of all of these substances is just extraordinary. People whose lives are being saved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And yet we have stuck with this terrible criminalization approach and say, no, you can't have your medicine, it's illegal. And if you possess your medicine, you might get arrested and go to jail. And so the bill simply decriminalizes the possession of psychedelics. It actually does not authorize doctors to prescribe. That would require a change in federal law so that the doctors wouldn't lose their prescribing privileges. But that, we hope, will happen at some point. But for now, we want to make sure that California stops arresting and prosecuting people for possessing psychedelics. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'We want to make sure that California stops arresting and prosecuting people for possessing psychedelics.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We want to effectively decriminalize it and move towards legalization, and then create pathways for people to expunge their records. It's hard to describe how destructive the war on drugs has been. It has cost this country untold billions. A lot of people have criminal records because they were low-level drug offenses, and we want to make sure that they can clear their records and not have those convictions hanging over them, which can have implications for housing and for employment. So it's about saying, \"Listen, we made a mistake by criminalizing these substances. We're moving away from that now.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What Could the Drawbacks of Decriminalizing Psychedelics Be?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, Columbia University:\u003c/strong> Hopefully we won't commit the same mistake that we did in the '60s where things got out of control, and they were used recreationally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>First, let me just say that I completely agree with the legislation. These drugs should not be criminalized. There should be decriminalization. Secondly, I enthusiastically endorse their study for therapeutic uses for various types of conditions. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"science_1970825","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But at the same time, I'm very concerned that we're rushing headlong to a point where practice is leaping ahead of knowledge. And the first way in which this is evident is the fact that \"psychedelics\" is the term that's being used to define a certain group of psychoactive drugs. But it's being used in a way that's not precise.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Psychedelics really refer to compounds that have been used by Indigenous peoples ritualistically for centuries, and then synthetically replicated. Ecstasy, MDMA, ketamine, ibogaine are not classical psychedelics. They have different clinical effects and they have different potential uses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All of these drugs do have some potential uses. The problem is they have not been studied sufficiently to know what they are. So if we let the genie out of the bottle too soon, and base it on the enthusiasm of true believers who have had positive experiences, we're potentially risking trouble.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If this is such a big thing socially for our population and people are benefiting from it and want to have access to it, why isn't it being studied in the way that rigorously and systematically it should be?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Larry Morse, California District Attorneys Association:\u003c/strong> I endorse completely what Dr. Lieberman said about the lack of adequate studies that we are talking about: powerful, powerful drugs, LSD.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'm of the generation where I literally remember being with people having an extraordinarily bad experience with LSD all through the evening. And it is a flight of naivete to believe that if we make this more readily accessible, legalize this, that it is not going to be used by kids. They are going to get access to it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We are talking about making a drug more readily available. And it is just denial to suggest that it will not fall into the hands of 15-, 16-, 17-year-olds who will have terrible, terrible, terrifying experiences that have significant likelihood or possibility of long-term effects.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Psychosis, paranoia, schizophrenia. This is not like some really strong weed. These are powerful drugs that have dramatic effects on people's moods and can lead to just horrific consequences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The Prevalence and Equity of Psychedelic Medicines\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Dr. Robert Grant, UCSF:\u003c/strong> Psychedelics are already in widespread use in the United States. Surveys have shown that something like 30 million Americans have used psychedelic medicines in their lives and something like 1 million use them on any given year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So these medicines are being used. They're being used largely in a criminalized context where people have to be very shy about talking about how they've used psychedelics, and under what circumstances, and who provided them, and whether that was a good setting for their work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The huge advantage of this particular legislation is that it allows for all of that underground use, which is already happening, to come out and be more public — so that people can talk about when their use of psychedelics went well, and when it went badly. These kinds of open discussions are not possible now because of criminalization, and decriminalization will change that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Three-quarters of the participants in the trial cited in Nature Medicine's \u003ca href=\"https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3\">study of MDMA and PTSD\u003c/a> were white. What do we know about the effectiveness of this drug, and access to it, for people of color?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Clinical trials in general tend to recruit predominantly white populations, and we think that that's an issue of trust — that researchers need to do more to establish trust with communities of color. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'We do know that communities of color are using these therapies. And we also know that communities of color and queer communities are at much higher risk of having PTSD. So the unmet medical need for those communities of color is enormous, and larger than in other populations.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Dr. Robert Grant, UCSF","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We do know that communities of color are using these therapies. And we also know that communities of color and queer communities are at much higher risk of having PTSD. So the unmet medical need for those communities of color is enormous, and larger than in other populations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Medicalization pathways left there on their own without decriminalization will be difficult and delayed, and will have even more difficulty recruiting people of color while we have criminalization laws on the books. So this decriminalization law, I believe, will make it easier for the National Institutes of Health to fund these studies, and that will make it easier for people of color to participate in those studies. And it'll make it easier for people who are using these medicines therapeutically to talk about their experiences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Listen to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101883458/ca-could-become-the-latest-state-to-decriminalize-psychedelics\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">KQED Forum\u003c/a> to hear the full episode.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The original version of this story was published on May 16.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11873841/decriminalizing-psychedelic-drugs-in-california-as-senate-considers-bill-debate-continues","authors":["3205","11626"],"categories":["news_457","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_29473","news_5946","news_29474","news_23151","news_2139"],"featImg":"news_11873858","label":"news"},"news_11863555":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11863555","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11863555","score":null,"sort":[1614991356000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"mina-kim-on-equity-in-journalism-this-week-in-california-politics","title":"Mina Kim on Equity in Journalism | This Week in California Politics","publishDate":1614991356,"format":"video","headTitle":"KQED Newsroom | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":7052,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cb>This Week in California Politics\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This week, Gov. 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Meanwhile, whether California schools will reopen across California remains in limbo. We chew on the week’s political headlines with KQED’s politics and government desk senior editor Scott Shafer and reporter Katie Orr.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Prison COVID-19 Report\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s been a year since the coronavirus began its deadly march across California. While the virus has affected people from all demographics, among the hardest hit are those who live in group settings like nursing homes and prisons. Reporter Monica Lam takes a look at the impact of COVID-19 on incarcerated people.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Michael Krasny Retires After 28 Years With KQED Forum\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bay Area broadcast veteran Michael Krasny, beloved by many at KQED and across California, is retiring after 28 years of hosting the station’s flagship call-in talk show, Forum. He joins us after his last morning of hosting Forum to talk about his childhood, key moments in his career and even cracks a couple jokes.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Something Beautiful: Blackie’s Pasture\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This week’s Something Beautiful was suggested by Michael Krasny, who told us that one of his favorite places is Blackie’s Pasture in Tiburon, a serene field featuring a statue of a much-loved horse that once lived there. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11860268/michael-krasny-retires-prison-covid-report-this-week-in-california-politics","authors":["236"],"programs":["news_7052"],"categories":["news_457","news_6188","news_28250","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_29158","news_2729","news_29076","news_16","news_20870","news_5946","news_20297","news_19177","news_3627","news_29157","news_163"],"featImg":"news_11860358","label":"news_7052"},"news_11829745":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11829745","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11829745","score":null,"sort":[1595378991000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"when-a-10-year-old-translated-for-her-parents-on-live-radio-thousands-recognized-themselves","title":"When a 10-Year-Old Translated for Her Parents on Live Radio, Thousands Recognized Themselves","publishDate":1595378991,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Back on July 14, I turned on my radio to hear KQED Forum explore \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101878641/coronavirus-disproportinately-hits-latinos-in-california\">the disproportionate effect of COVID-19 upon the Latino community\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the end of the show, one of the main reasons for that impact was evident: a lack of accessible information for Spanish speakers in the United States. But that message unexpectedly arrived in a sweet, brave voice of a 10-year-old girl.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11830123/cuando-una-nina-de-10-anos-tradujo-a-nombre-de-sus-padres-en-la-radio-miles-de-personas-se-sintieron-identificadas\">\u003cem>\u003cstrong>\u003cspan class=\"c-mrkdwn__highlight\">Leer\u003c/span> en español \u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Towards the end of the show, host Mina Kim introduced us to young caller Maggie — who was contacting Forum on behalf of her parents. At first, Maggie stayed quiet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim prompted her: “What’s on your mind, Maggie?” Listeners then heard Maggie relaying Kim's question to her mom: “me están preguntando qué está en mi cabeza.” The mom responded in Spanish.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m worried that my mom and my dad will get the coronavirus again,\" Maggie finally told Kim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The moment I heard Maggie’s voice, I stopped working on my computer, and turned to look at the radio (Yes, I have a physical radio in my room). As I heard Maggie asking her question about whether her parents could get COVID-19 more than once, and telling Kim she was just 10-years-old, I unconsciously placed my hands on my chest and started to tear up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That moment moved me. And I later found out that it moved many other people as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>One Family's Story\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Maggie, like many other immigrant children in the United States, had assumed the role of translator for her family at such a young age. But she took it a step further, and decided to go on live radio to make sure she got the answer to her question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11829854\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1900px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11829854 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1900\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1.jpg 1900w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1-800x539.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1-1020x687.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1-160x108.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1-1536x1035.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1900px) 100vw, 1900px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Maggie Carrillo Vázquez, who called KQED Forum to ask a question of behalf of her parents \u003ccite>(Courtesy Rosibel Vazquez Alvarado)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After the show, I reached out to Maggie’s mom Rosibel Vazquez Alvarado to learn more about their story. I found out that a neighbor had told them about Forum — and that Maggie took the lead to be the one to ask the question herself, in English. \u003cem>(Hear the moment she made the call \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101878641/coronavirus-disproportinately-hits-latinos-in-california\">here\u003c/a>, starting at 36:00.)\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Maggie Carrillo Vázquez, 10, calling into KQED Forum\"]'I’m worried that my mom and my dad will get the coronavirus again.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alvarado and her family moved to to the Bay Area from Guatemala around two years ago. She works at McDonald's, where she believes she caught her case of COVID-19. All of Alvarado's family then got sick too, from her husband to her four children, including Maggie herself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After resting at home in quarantine, Alvarado took another test and found out that she still had the coronavirus. She had to remain at home for \u003cem>another\u003c/em> full quarantine cycle in order to recover.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While she now feels better, and has tested negative twice, Alvarado has still not gone back to work. She says her employers at McDonald's are refusing to compensate her for the second quarantine period she was unable to work, and that she's working with her workers' union and their lawyers to challenge the decision before she returns to work. “I want them to pay me because I am almost certain I got infected there,” Alvarado says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is the source of Maggie’s fear that her parents would get infected again: the need for them to return to work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#hearken\">Tell us: Have you ever stepped in to translate for your parents or elders as they navigate life in the U.S.?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A spokesperson for McDonald's in Northern California told KQED that the company was \"confident the vast majority of employees are covered with sick pay if they are impacted by COVID-19, and McDonald’s strongly supports provisions in the Families First Coronavirus Response Act and CARES Act that require sick leave for those impacted by COVID-19.\" On July 20, Black Lives Matter and union protesters \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11829806/unions-join-black-lives-matter-protesters-in-walk-out-for-economic-justice\">protested at a McDonald's in Oakland\u003c/a>, joining a nationwide demonstration for economic justice and citing specific issues with McDonald's staff's safety during the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the show ended, Forum producer \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/BlancaWrites\">Blanca Torres\u003c/a> and Dr. Kirsten Bibbins Domingo, the expert who'd appeared on air, reached out personally to Maggie and her mom to reassure them them that the probability they'd get COVID-19 again was low.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>An Experience Recognized By Many\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Once Forum ended I took a deep breath, and logged into Twitter to see how people were reacting to this conversation. I didn’t find anything, so I decided to tweet myself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I usually overthink my tweets — but this time I just made sure I didn’t have any spelling errors. I only had one thing on my mind: how this moment was a perfect example of how immigrant children all over the United States have to step up for their parents and help them navigate the system. And now, with the COVID-19 pandemic, I could not imagine having that responsibility in your hands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/adrianamorgao/status/1283098051427483648\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I wanted my tweet to be heard — but I wasn’t expecting the reaction it got. People felt seen, and heard. It brought them memories of \u003cem>their\u003c/em> younger selves, when they continuously had to be the \"Maggie\" to their own families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/andreabejaran5/status/1283248917660839942?s=20\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And while Maggie was translating Spanish, immigrants from any other non-English speaking country could identify with this special moment in radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/celinesque/status/1283206457454813189?s=20\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The retweets started to pile up, but I couldn't stop reading people’s comments on their experiences. My tweet currently has over 29,000 likes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/theHiveisHome/status/1283211613995257857?s=20\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, it wasn't what I \u003cem>wrote\u003c/em> that specifically resonated with people. I was merely a megaphone: it was the moment itself that was significant. That moment, happening over and over again — translating in stores, to teachers, to people in the bank. Translating over the phone, interpreting letters and formal documents. The stories are too similar to not see a pattern.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>A Crucial Need for Knowledge\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Immigrant children are so often given the responsibility of being their family’s translator — with the burden this represents. But their parents cannot be blamed for this. After all, they are just trying to do their best to adapt to a new country to which they migrated, to have a better life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It is in the hands of the government — and the news media — to adapt to their audience: to read their own data and see who needs the information, and how that information will \u003cem>get\u003c/em> to them most effectively. And this is even more crucial during a health crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/ceeek__/status/1283447650856005632\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Minority populations are often\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/education/533831/why-is-coronavirus-hitting-people-of-color-so-hard\"> affected the most\u003c/a> in adverse national circumstances, and this pandemic has been no exception. The Latino population in this country has been \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11813696/latinos-around-the-bay-area-are-disproportionately-affected-by-covid-19\">disproportionately affected\u003c/a> by the COVID-19 crisis, both economically and in the coronavirus case numbers — so the need for information and resources in Spanish is needed more now than ever.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Adriana Morga\"]'Immigrant children are so often given the responsibility of being their family’s translator — with the burden this represents.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From the moment I moved to this country I knew I wanted to write about the Latino community in the United States. Growing up in a border city like Tijuana, I grew up with a very unique dynamic of two countries merging together — but this is not the case for every city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I feel like I grew up getting the best of both cultures. But I also was affected by the worst of those countries. Most importantly, I remember how the news media portrayed the city that I grew up in: how the news did not reflect the people, but instead reflected a loud minority who leaned towards violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was because of how wrongly my hometown was portrayed that I decided, early on, that I wanted to be someone that directed the narrative towards how a community \u003cem>really\u003c/em> is. When I permanently moved to the United States I decided that while I probably wasn’t going to write about \u003cem>my\u003c/em> city, I was going to join many others to highlight and uplift the stories of the Latino community — and produce information that could improve people's lives. That's also the reason I joined the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/elcoronavirus\">\u003cem>KQED en Español\u003c/em>\u003c/a> team.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside tag='elcoronavirus' label='Leer KQED en Español']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This project was formed at KQED soon after the pandemic started, with the intention of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pressroom/11195/elcoronavirus\">providing timely information\u003c/a> in Spanish to the Latino community in the Bay Area during the COVID-19 pandemic. In our \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/elcoronavirus\">weekly coronavirus newsletter\u003c/a>, we answer questions submitted by the public about the coronavirus, as well as showcasing key news and resources.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The newsletter has been fully bilingual since early July. We have also translated KQED content, created original stories, collaborated with Univision and \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://eltecolote.org/content/en/\">El Tecolote\u003c/a>\u003c/em> and responded questions directly to the public via email.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the work is not done, as we say: de aquí pal real. There is much more work to be done, and much ground to cover in order to give the Latino communities in the country what they need.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And while I understand that the road to giving equal access to information to the Latino community in Spanish can be bumpy, stories like 10-year-old Maggie Carrillo show us that bilingual journalism is needed — and it should be here to stay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In other words, offering information in other languages should not be an elective. It should be a major.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003ca id=\"hearken\">\u003c/a>Now share your story:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>[hearken id=\"6069\" src=\"https://modules.wearehearken.com/kqed/embed/6069.js\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Maggie Carrillo's call to KQED Forum on behalf of her parents reminded many listening of their own experiences growing up.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1595441397,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":true,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":40,"wordCount":1698},"headData":{"title":"When a 10-Year-Old Translated for Her Parents on Live Radio, Thousands Recognized Themselves | KQED","description":"Maggie Carrillo's call to KQED Forum on behalf of her parents reminded many listening of their own experiences growing up.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"When a 10-Year-Old Translated for Her Parents on Live Radio, Thousands Recognized Themselves","datePublished":"2020-07-22T00:49:51.000Z","dateModified":"2020-07-22T18:09:57.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11829745 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11829745","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2020/07/21/when-a-10-year-old-translated-for-her-parents-on-live-radio-thousands-recognized-themselves/","disqusTitle":"When a 10-Year-Old Translated for Her Parents on Live Radio, Thousands Recognized Themselves","path":"/news/11829745/when-a-10-year-old-translated-for-her-parents-on-live-radio-thousands-recognized-themselves","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Back on July 14, I turned on my radio to hear KQED Forum explore \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101878641/coronavirus-disproportinately-hits-latinos-in-california\">the disproportionate effect of COVID-19 upon the Latino community\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the end of the show, one of the main reasons for that impact was evident: a lack of accessible information for Spanish speakers in the United States. But that message unexpectedly arrived in a sweet, brave voice of a 10-year-old girl.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11830123/cuando-una-nina-de-10-anos-tradujo-a-nombre-de-sus-padres-en-la-radio-miles-de-personas-se-sintieron-identificadas\">\u003cem>\u003cstrong>\u003cspan class=\"c-mrkdwn__highlight\">Leer\u003c/span> en español \u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Towards the end of the show, host Mina Kim introduced us to young caller Maggie — who was contacting Forum on behalf of her parents. At first, Maggie stayed quiet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kim prompted her: “What’s on your mind, Maggie?” Listeners then heard Maggie relaying Kim's question to her mom: “me están preguntando qué está en mi cabeza.” The mom responded in Spanish.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m worried that my mom and my dad will get the coronavirus again,\" Maggie finally told Kim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The moment I heard Maggie’s voice, I stopped working on my computer, and turned to look at the radio (Yes, I have a physical radio in my room). As I heard Maggie asking her question about whether her parents could get COVID-19 more than once, and telling Kim she was just 10-years-old, I unconsciously placed my hands on my chest and started to tear up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That moment moved me. And I later found out that it moved many other people as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>One Family's Story\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Maggie, like many other immigrant children in the United States, had assumed the role of translator for her family at such a young age. But she took it a step further, and decided to go on live radio to make sure she got the answer to her question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11829854\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1900px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11829854 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1900\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1.jpg 1900w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1-800x539.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1-1020x687.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1-160x108.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/Maggie1-1536x1035.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1900px) 100vw, 1900px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Maggie Carrillo Vázquez, who called KQED Forum to ask a question of behalf of her parents \u003ccite>(Courtesy Rosibel Vazquez Alvarado)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After the show, I reached out to Maggie’s mom Rosibel Vazquez Alvarado to learn more about their story. I found out that a neighbor had told them about Forum — and that Maggie took the lead to be the one to ask the question herself, in English. \u003cem>(Hear the moment she made the call \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101878641/coronavirus-disproportinately-hits-latinos-in-california\">here\u003c/a>, starting at 36:00.)\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I’m worried that my mom and my dad will get the coronavirus again.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Maggie Carrillo Vázquez, 10, calling into KQED Forum","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alvarado and her family moved to to the Bay Area from Guatemala around two years ago. She works at McDonald's, where she believes she caught her case of COVID-19. All of Alvarado's family then got sick too, from her husband to her four children, including Maggie herself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After resting at home in quarantine, Alvarado took another test and found out that she still had the coronavirus. She had to remain at home for \u003cem>another\u003c/em> full quarantine cycle in order to recover.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While she now feels better, and has tested negative twice, Alvarado has still not gone back to work. She says her employers at McDonald's are refusing to compensate her for the second quarantine period she was unable to work, and that she's working with her workers' union and their lawyers to challenge the decision before she returns to work. “I want them to pay me because I am almost certain I got infected there,” Alvarado says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is the source of Maggie’s fear that her parents would get infected again: the need for them to return to work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#hearken\">Tell us: Have you ever stepped in to translate for your parents or elders as they navigate life in the U.S.?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A spokesperson for McDonald's in Northern California told KQED that the company was \"confident the vast majority of employees are covered with sick pay if they are impacted by COVID-19, and McDonald’s strongly supports provisions in the Families First Coronavirus Response Act and CARES Act that require sick leave for those impacted by COVID-19.\" On July 20, Black Lives Matter and union protesters \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11829806/unions-join-black-lives-matter-protesters-in-walk-out-for-economic-justice\">protested at a McDonald's in Oakland\u003c/a>, joining a nationwide demonstration for economic justice and citing specific issues with McDonald's staff's safety during the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the show ended, Forum producer \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/BlancaWrites\">Blanca Torres\u003c/a> and Dr. Kirsten Bibbins Domingo, the expert who'd appeared on air, reached out personally to Maggie and her mom to reassure them them that the probability they'd get COVID-19 again was low.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>An Experience Recognized By Many\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Once Forum ended I took a deep breath, and logged into Twitter to see how people were reacting to this conversation. I didn’t find anything, so I decided to tweet myself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I usually overthink my tweets — but this time I just made sure I didn’t have any spelling errors. I only had one thing on my mind: how this moment was a perfect example of how immigrant children all over the United States have to step up for their parents and help them navigate the system. And now, with the COVID-19 pandemic, I could not imagine having that responsibility in your hands.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1283098051427483648"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>I wanted my tweet to be heard — but I wasn’t expecting the reaction it got. People felt seen, and heard. 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My tweet currently has over 29,000 likes.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1283211613995257857"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>However, it wasn't what I \u003cem>wrote\u003c/em> that specifically resonated with people. I was merely a megaphone: it was the moment itself that was significant. That moment, happening over and over again — translating in stores, to teachers, to people in the bank. Translating over the phone, interpreting letters and formal documents. The stories are too similar to not see a pattern.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>A Crucial Need for Knowledge\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Immigrant children are so often given the responsibility of being their family’s translator — with the burden this represents. But their parents cannot be blamed for this. After all, they are just trying to do their best to adapt to a new country to which they migrated, to have a better life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It is in the hands of the government — and the news media — to adapt to their audience: to read their own data and see who needs the information, and how that information will \u003cem>get\u003c/em> to them most effectively. And this is even more crucial during a health crisis.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1283447650856005632"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Minority populations are often\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/education/533831/why-is-coronavirus-hitting-people-of-color-so-hard\"> affected the most\u003c/a> in adverse national circumstances, and this pandemic has been no exception. 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Growing up in a border city like Tijuana, I grew up with a very unique dynamic of two countries merging together — but this is not the case for every city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I feel like I grew up getting the best of both cultures. But I also was affected by the worst of those countries. Most importantly, I remember how the news media portrayed the city that I grew up in: how the news did not reflect the people, but instead reflected a loud minority who leaned towards violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was because of how wrongly my hometown was portrayed that I decided, early on, that I wanted to be someone that directed the narrative towards how a community \u003cem>really\u003c/em> is. When I permanently moved to the United States I decided that while I probably wasn’t going to write about \u003cem>my\u003c/em> city, I was going to join many others to highlight and uplift the stories of the Latino community — and produce information that could improve people's lives. 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There is much more work to be done, and much ground to cover in order to give the Latino communities in the country what they need.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And while I understand that the road to giving equal access to information to the Latino community in Spanish can be bumpy, stories like 10-year-old Maggie Carrillo show us that bilingual journalism is needed — and it should be here to stay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In other words, offering information in other languages should not be an elective. It should be a major.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003ca id=\"hearken\">\u003c/a>Now share your story:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"hearken","attributes":{"named":{"id":"6069","src":"https://modules.wearehearken.com/kqed/embed/6069.js","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11829745/when-a-10-year-old-translated-for-her-parents-on-live-radio-thousands-recognized-themselves","authors":["11629"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_27350","news_27504","news_15","news_5946","news_27660"],"featImg":"news_11830088","label":"news"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. 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