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(\u003ca href=\"http://www.sf-police.org/index.aspx?page=3763&recordid=100\">SFPD press release here\u003c/a>.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_35548\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 268px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshootingSM1.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshootingSM1.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"bayviewshootingSM\" width=\"268\" height=\"119\" class=\"size-full wp-image-35548\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SFPD Chief Greg Suhr last week leaves a raucous meeting in the Bayview about the Kenneth Harding shooting. 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An autopsy later determined that the bullet that killed him did not come from a police gun, and police said he might have shot himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The incident has sparked protests in San Francisco, and Harding’s family held a news conference on Monday to announce that they were considering legal action against the San Francisco police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the news conference, Kenneth Harding’s mother said her son had come to San Francisco to launch his career as a rap artist. She said his brother has a recording contract with a record label in San Francisco and planned to help Harding. 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The pushback on the bill was the latest chaotic twist in the fiscal fracas on Capitol Hill as the clock ticked closer to Aug. 2, when the Obama administration has warned that the nation risks defaulting on its bills. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://sfappeal.com/news/2011/07/ed-lee-says-he-hasnt-decided-if-hes-going-to-run-for-mayor.php\">Ed Lee Says He Hasn't Decided If He's Going To Run For Mayor\u003c/a> (SF Appeal)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>...(Ed) Lee, who was named interim mayor in January when former Mayor Gavin Newsom was elected the state's lieutenant governor, has previously said he wanted to return to his old job as city administrator after his term ends rather than run to stay in the mayor's office. But today, following his signing of the city's budget for the next fiscal year, Lee said talks with some current members of the Board of Supervisors have him reconsidering whether he wants to give up the spot. \"There's a lot of people talking to me, including members of the Board of Supervisors,\" he said. He declined to identify which supervisors were pushing him to run, and said \"it's not a decision I've made at all yet.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_18551618\">Liu's nomination would create Asian majority on state Supreme Court\u003c/a> (Bay Area News Group)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>With Tuesday's surprising nomination of UC Berkeley law professor Goodwin Liu to the California Supreme Court, Gov. Jerry Brown transformed the high court into perhaps the only Asian-dominated state Supreme Court in U.S. history outside Hawaii while thumbing his nose at conservative Republicans in Congress who torpedoed the scholar's bid for a federal judgeship. Making his first judicial pick since taking office in January, Brown chose the 40-year-old Liu, described by a broad range of supporters as a brilliant legal scholar who nevertheless will arrive at the Supreme Court without any judicial experience. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAHP1KFCOO.DTL&type=newsbayarea\">$112 million deal may send S.F. trash to Wheatland\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>San Franciscan trash could soon be headed to faraway Yuba County after the Board of Supervisors Tuesday approved a controversial $112 million contract to send city refuse to the rural area. Over 10 years, 5 million tons of San Francisco garbage could be loaded onto trains and taken almost 132 miles to a landfill site just outside Wheatland. The deal between dump owner Recology and the city will likely start in 2015 and last until 2025. But the city hopes there will be no trash to haul by 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_18555115\">Private meeting doesn't sway immigrant advocates to embrace new policing strategy\u003c/a> (SJ Mercury News)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>After a closed meeting Tuesday with San Jose police and federal agents, immigrant rights advocates still oppose a new strategy for ridding the city of violent gang members who also are illegal immigrants. \"We feel as strongly in our opposition as we did before we walked in the door,\" said Raj Jayadev, director of Silicon Valley DeBug, a community organization for young adults... Jayadev and nine other advocates had a two-hour \"question and answer\" session with police Chief Chris Moore and federal officials about the deployment of two immigration agents with the city's Police Department.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAE01KFF43.DTL&type=newsbayarea\">Ballot measure to gut Care Not Cash pulled\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>San Francisco voters won't be taking up a controversial ballot measure to overhaul the city's best-known homeless program after all. Supervisors Jane Kim and Eric Mar are withdrawing their support of a measure to change the Care Not Cash program, meaning it doesn't have the four supervisor backers it needs to appear on the November ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAN91KFBI7.DTL\">SF cops: Dead suspect's brother sought in slaying\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>The brother of a Washington state homicide suspect who died in a confrontation with San Francisco police is wanted by Seattle investigators in a slaying that happened in that city last week, authorities said Tuesday. Ondrell Harding, 21, is a suspect in the beating death of a 50-year-old man Saturday in Seattle, San Francisco police said. The killing occurred one week after Harding's brother Kenneth Wade Harding, 19, died in a shootout with police on Third Street in San Francisco's Bayview neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.baycitizen.org/americas-cup/story/invasive-seaweed-fears-stall-americas/\">Invasive Seaweed Fears Stall America's Cup\u003c/a> (Bay Citizen)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Regulators have refused to issue permits necessary for the (America's Cup) to move forward until organizers can prove the event won't significantly spread invasive seaweed through San Francisco Bay. Concerns over exotic seaweed, including Undaria pinnatifida, a fast-growing Asian species that reaches 10 feet and poses dangers to native kelp species, prompted the San Francisco Bay Regional Water Quality Control Board on Friday to reject a 107-page permit application filed late last month by the Port of San Francisco.\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/MN1B1KFE4H.DTL&type=newsbayarea\">Bay Area post offices on hit list for closures\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>...Thirteen post offices in the Bay Area, including the Visitacion Valley station, are being looked at for possible closure, the U.S. Postal Service said Tuesday. Nationally, the service is considering closing or downgrading 3,653 branches - more than a tenth of its 31,000-plus outlets - citing a 20 percent drop in mail volume and increasing availability of postal products elsewhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_18553814\">Mistakes over hazardous liquid pipe locations pose threat\u003c/a> (SJ Mercury News)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>While the deadly San Bruno explosion highlighted the potential hazards of PG&E's natural gas lines, another enormous system of pipes -- carrying jet fuel and other hazardous liquids under Bay Area neighborhoods -- poses a danger that could be just as catastrophic. (M)any people, including emergency responders, aren't sure where the private companies that own those pipes have buried them. When a Walnut Creek construction crew's backhoe bit into an underground gasoline main in 2004, the fireball that resulted left five people dead and four others badly burned. The workers didn't know the pipe was there.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAE51KFDOT.DTL\">Slower high-speed rail encouraged by officials\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Regional transportation officials plan to push for a scaled-back high-speed rail system on the Peninsula that also would accommodate a modernized Caltrain with a minimum of new construction. \"We see this as the way forward to save this project,\" said John Grubb, a senior vice president of the Bay Area Council, a pro-business advocacy group.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/SP2L1KFC3Q.DTL&type=newsbayarea\">York sees 49ers' stadium money in new CBA\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Team President Jed York spoke optimistically Tuesday about the 49ers' Santa Clara stadium fundraising efforts in light of the NFL's new collective bargaining agreement. In a conference call, York discussed the benefits of the new stadium fund included in the agreement - a 1.5 percent cut of league revenue. This year, the NFL could set aside about $60 million. That number is expected to grow in years to come.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/07/san-francisco-taxi-fees-may-be-reduced\">San Francisco council’s vote raises questions about cab credit card fees\u003c/a> (SF Examiner)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Credit card fees for taxi drivers, an issue that has led to protests and threats of strikes, might be lessened or eliminated. On Monday, the Taxi Advisory Council recommended ending a pilot program allowing cab companies to charge drivers a 5 percent credit card transaction fee. In place since October, the program grants companies a waiver from San Francisco’s transportation code protecting drivers from such fees.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_18554439\">Governor vetos Campos' union-sponsored bill\u003c/a> (SJ Mercury News)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\nGov. Jerry Brown has vetoed a bill by Assemblywoman Nora Campos that would have given employee unions the power to choose half of all civil service commissions. The bill was sponsored by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, a major union representing government workers. In comments contained in the legislative analyst report, Campos -- a former San Jose City Council member who has long championed union interests -- said that the bill \"would ensure that the commissions will be more balanced and fair.\" The commissions weigh disputes over personnel issues in government agencies.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAS31KFGS1.DTL&tsp=1\">Mountain lion suspected in San Mateo animal deaths\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>A mountain lion is suspected of killing several sheep and goats just south of Half Moon Bay, San Mateo County emergency officials reported Tuesday. Remains of the animals, last seen alive about 7 p.m. Monday, were found at 7 a.m. Tuesday in an area near 1500 Purisima Creek Road, according to an alert posted Tuesday afternoon on San Mateo County's community alert system.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\n\u003cli>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1311785662,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":1420},"headData":{"title":"Morning Splash: Debt Limit Countdown; Ed Lee Now Undecided on Run; Goodwin Liu Nomination; Some Bay Area Post Offices Could Close | KQED","description":"Facing obstacles, GOP delays vote on plan for debt (NY Times) House Republican leaders were forced Tuesday night to delay a vote scheduled on their plan to raise the nation's debt ceiling as conservative lawmakers expressed skepticism and congressional budget officials said the plan did not deliver the promised savings. 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The pushback on the bill was the latest chaotic twist in the fiscal fracas on Capitol Hill as the clock ticked closer to Aug. 2, when the Obama administration has warned that the nation risks defaulting on its bills. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://sfappeal.com/news/2011/07/ed-lee-says-he-hasnt-decided-if-hes-going-to-run-for-mayor.php\">Ed Lee Says He Hasn't Decided If He's Going To Run For Mayor\u003c/a> (SF Appeal)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>...(Ed) Lee, who was named interim mayor in January when former Mayor Gavin Newsom was elected the state's lieutenant governor, has previously said he wanted to return to his old job as city administrator after his term ends rather than run to stay in the mayor's office. But today, following his signing of the city's budget for the next fiscal year, Lee said talks with some current members of the Board of Supervisors have him reconsidering whether he wants to give up the spot. \"There's a lot of people talking to me, including members of the Board of Supervisors,\" he said. He declined to identify which supervisors were pushing him to run, and said \"it's not a decision I've made at all yet.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_18551618\">Liu's nomination would create Asian majority on state Supreme Court\u003c/a> (Bay Area News Group)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>With Tuesday's surprising nomination of UC Berkeley law professor Goodwin Liu to the California Supreme Court, Gov. 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Over 10 years, 5 million tons of San Francisco garbage could be loaded onto trains and taken almost 132 miles to a landfill site just outside Wheatland. The deal between dump owner Recology and the city will likely start in 2015 and last until 2025. But the city hopes there will be no trash to haul by 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_18555115\">Private meeting doesn't sway immigrant advocates to embrace new policing strategy\u003c/a> (SJ Mercury News)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>After a closed meeting Tuesday with San Jose police and federal agents, immigrant rights advocates still oppose a new strategy for ridding the city of violent gang members who also are illegal immigrants. \"We feel as strongly in our opposition as we did before we walked in the door,\" said Raj Jayadev, director of Silicon Valley DeBug, a community organization for young adults... Jayadev and nine other advocates had a two-hour \"question and answer\" session with police Chief Chris Moore and federal officials about the deployment of two immigration agents with the city's Police Department.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAE01KFF43.DTL&type=newsbayarea\">Ballot measure to gut Care Not Cash pulled\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>San Francisco voters won't be taking up a controversial ballot measure to overhaul the city's best-known homeless program after all. Supervisors Jane Kim and Eric Mar are withdrawing their support of a measure to change the Care Not Cash program, meaning it doesn't have the four supervisor backers it needs to appear on the November ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAN91KFBI7.DTL\">SF cops: Dead suspect's brother sought in slaying\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>The brother of a Washington state homicide suspect who died in a confrontation with San Francisco police is wanted by Seattle investigators in a slaying that happened in that city last week, authorities said Tuesday. Ondrell Harding, 21, is a suspect in the beating death of a 50-year-old man Saturday in Seattle, San Francisco police said. The killing occurred one week after Harding's brother Kenneth Wade Harding, 19, died in a shootout with police on Third Street in San Francisco's Bayview neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.baycitizen.org/americas-cup/story/invasive-seaweed-fears-stall-americas/\">Invasive Seaweed Fears Stall America's Cup\u003c/a> (Bay Citizen)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Regulators have refused to issue permits necessary for the (America's Cup) to move forward until organizers can prove the event won't significantly spread invasive seaweed through San Francisco Bay. Concerns over exotic seaweed, including Undaria pinnatifida, a fast-growing Asian species that reaches 10 feet and poses dangers to native kelp species, prompted the San Francisco Bay Regional Water Quality Control Board on Friday to reject a 107-page permit application filed late last month by the Port of San Francisco.\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/MN1B1KFE4H.DTL&type=newsbayarea\">Bay Area post offices on hit list for closures\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>...Thirteen post offices in the Bay Area, including the Visitacion Valley station, are being looked at for possible closure, the U.S. Postal Service said Tuesday. Nationally, the service is considering closing or downgrading 3,653 branches - more than a tenth of its 31,000-plus outlets - citing a 20 percent drop in mail volume and increasing availability of postal products elsewhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_18553814\">Mistakes over hazardous liquid pipe locations pose threat\u003c/a> (SJ Mercury News)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>While the deadly San Bruno explosion highlighted the potential hazards of PG&E's natural gas lines, another enormous system of pipes -- carrying jet fuel and other hazardous liquids under Bay Area neighborhoods -- poses a danger that could be just as catastrophic. (M)any people, including emergency responders, aren't sure where the private companies that own those pipes have buried them. When a Walnut Creek construction crew's backhoe bit into an underground gasoline main in 2004, the fireball that resulted left five people dead and four others badly burned. The workers didn't know the pipe was there.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAE51KFDOT.DTL\">Slower high-speed rail encouraged by officials\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Regional transportation officials plan to push for a scaled-back high-speed rail system on the Peninsula that also would accommodate a modernized Caltrain with a minimum of new construction. \"We see this as the way forward to save this project,\" said John Grubb, a senior vice president of the Bay Area Council, a pro-business advocacy group.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/SP2L1KFC3Q.DTL&type=newsbayarea\">York sees 49ers' stadium money in new CBA\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Team President Jed York spoke optimistically Tuesday about the 49ers' Santa Clara stadium fundraising efforts in light of the NFL's new collective bargaining agreement. In a conference call, York discussed the benefits of the new stadium fund included in the agreement - a 1.5 percent cut of league revenue. This year, the NFL could set aside about $60 million. That number is expected to grow in years to come.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/07/san-francisco-taxi-fees-may-be-reduced\">San Francisco council’s vote raises questions about cab credit card fees\u003c/a> (SF Examiner)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Credit card fees for taxi drivers, an issue that has led to protests and threats of strikes, might be lessened or eliminated. On Monday, the Taxi Advisory Council recommended ending a pilot program allowing cab companies to charge drivers a 5 percent credit card transaction fee. In place since October, the program grants companies a waiver from San Francisco’s transportation code protecting drivers from such fees.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_18554439\">Governor vetos Campos' union-sponsored bill\u003c/a> (SJ Mercury News)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\nGov. Jerry Brown has vetoed a bill by Assemblywoman Nora Campos that would have given employee unions the power to choose half of all civil service commissions. The bill was sponsored by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, a major union representing government workers. In comments contained in the legislative analyst report, Campos -- a former San Jose City Council member who has long championed union interests -- said that the bill \"would ensure that the commissions will be more balanced and fair.\" The commissions weigh disputes over personnel issues in government agencies.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAS31KFGS1.DTL&tsp=1\">Mountain lion suspected in San Mateo animal deaths\u003c/a> (SF Chronicle)\u003cbr>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>A mountain lion is suspected of killing several sheep and goats just south of Half Moon Bay, San Mateo County emergency officials reported Tuesday. Remains of the animals, last seen alive about 7 p.m. Monday, were found at 7 a.m. Tuesday in an area near 1500 Purisima Creek Road, according to an alert posted Tuesday afternoon on San Mateo County's community alert system.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\n\u003cli>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/35248/morning-splash-184","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_1691","news_543","news_1703"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_35129":{"type":"posts","id":"news_35129","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"35129","score":null,"sort":[1311707387000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bayview-shooting-audio-mother-of-kenneth-harding-attorney-question-police-account-defend-deceased","title":"Audio: Mother of Kenneth Harding Defends Son, Attorney Slams SFPD Account of Shooting","publishDate":1311707387,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Yesterday at civil rights attorney \u003ca href=\"http://www.johnburrislaw.com/\">John Burris\u003c/a>' office in Oakland, attorney Adante Pointer, speaking for Kenneth Harding's family, questioned the police account of the shooting death of Harding, who was killed during a foot chase with officers in the Bayview on July 16. Harding's mother, Denika Chatman, 38, from Seattle, also spoke, defending her son's character and asking the public for donations. Other Harding relatives from both the Bay Area and Seattle were also present. \u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_35166\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshooting.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshooting-300x133.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"bayviewshooting\" width=\"300\" height=\"133\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-35166\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SF Police Chief Greg Suhr being chased by the media at a Bayview community meeting about the shooting. (Photo: Joshua Johnson, KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Pointer said he thought police accounts of the incident had changed too many times for the department to be credible. He didn't cite specific developments, but initially police thought they might have recovered Harding's gun from the scene, only to later announce it wasn't the right caliber. And last week, the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/21/reports-kenneth-harding-may-have-died-from-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound/\">medical examiner\u003c/a> said the bullet lodged in Harding's head was the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/25/bayview-shooting-explaining-the-discrepancy-between-sfpd-guns-and-bullet-found-in-kenneth-harding/\">wrong caliber\u003c/a> to have been fired from an officer's gun, leading police to assert that Harding may have shot himself with his own (still unrecovered) weapon. \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here are the main points from the press conference:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Pointer said his office had talked to over five eyewitness, and \"more than one\" had refuted the police's version of what happened, saying they never saw Harding with a gun. He asked for other witnesses to come forward, and called on police to give Harding's family access to all evidence and investigatory reports for review.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Pointer refuted the idea that Harding was in the Bay Area on the run from police. Chatman, Harding's mother, said Harding was in San Francisco to see his brother's record producer to discuss a music career. She said he'd been to the Bay Area many times to visit friends and family. \u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Neither one would respond to questions about any criminal activity on Harding's part, saying it was irrelevant to how he died. Harding was on parole for being a pimp to an underage girl, and was wanted for questioning in connection to the shooting death in Seattle of a 19-year-old girl.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yesterday, it was \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/07/san_francisco_police_say_kenneth_harding_shot_himself.php\">reported\u003c/a> that the SFPD said it had received an APB for Harding's brother, \u003cdel datetime=\"2011-07-27T15:12:23+00:00\">in connection with the same shooting. \u003c/del> Neither Chatman nor Pointer would respond to questions about this report. (\u003cstrong>Update Jul 27\u003c/strong>: Harding's brother is a \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAN91KFBI7.DTL\">suspect\u003c/a> in the murder of a 50-year-old man in Seattle last Saturday.) \u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Pointer said there was a \"concerted attack\" on Harding's character and reputation. Chatman called Harding \"God-fearing,\" \"caring,\" and \"loving.\" She said Harding was due to go to school in the fall at Seattle Central Community College.\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>Pointer asked for donations from the public in order to transport Harding's body back to Seattle and to pay for his funeral. \u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Audio and partial, edited transcripts:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingLawyer.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Attorney Adante Pointer on the Kenneth Harding shooting\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingLawyer.mp3|titles=HardingLawyer]\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\n\u003cstrong>From opening statement\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know based upon the police department's shifting stories, conflicting statements, allegations and claims and retractions, that the truth seems to be far from at hand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When you have a situation where there's videotape and there are many witnesses who come out and say that it happened a particular way, and you have the police department that sets forth allegations and claims that it happened another way, but as the days go on and more investigation takes place, those stories continuously shift. So what we have are explanations and excuses built on a foundation of shifting sands. And that's nothing that you can build any type of trust or credibility with in a situation as critical as this. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so what we call on once again is for the San Francisco Police Department and all law enforcement agencies who have been involved in this investigation, to make available to the family, to my law firm, to the community, the fruits of that investigation so that we ourselves may evaluate what took place and draw our conclusions, and give this grieving mother, this mourning family, this community that has suffered for way too long, and this community who is needing and seeking some type of logical explanation as to what happened as opposed to what amounts to knee-jerk speculation. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so we ask once again that the coroner's investigative report, medical examiner reports, witness statements, any surveillance video, computer-automated dispatch 911 calls, the GSR test results, that these things be made available to this family so that they may have the closure that they are entitled to. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We are also here to address what amounts to a concerted attack upon the young man's character, upon his reputation, and that has been leaked out and put into the media for a person who is no longer here to defend himself. A person who despite his background, does not justify being killed in the manner of which it took place. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What we are here to offer and to share: This is a young man who was loved by his family. He had many relatives here in the Bay Area. We do not agree and we refute and reject the claim that he was here on the run, and we want to make it known that this was a young man who was actually enrolled in college, was expected to go to college in the fall, and his life was cut short needlessly. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know that there were potentially hundreds of people on the scene who saw what took place. We need them to find their voice, to find their courage, to contact my office, these community leaders, so that we can get this family to the truth, which is what they deserve. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the question of whether police could have rendered medical aid to Harding after he was shot\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For those officers on the scene, you \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/19/what-do-police-do-after-a-suspect-is-wounded/\">would have expected \u003c/a> them to administer some type of life-saving care. Whether that would have been to compress the wound, or to provide some comfort and dignity, as opposed to what we all have trag ically seen, which is a young man gasping for air, a young man bleeding to death on the sidewalk in a public spectacle type of way. (Note: See our previous \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/19/what-do-police-do-after-a-suspect-is-wounded/\">post\u003c/a> addressing that issue.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the police assertion that Harding may have shot himself\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If I had trusted in all the other accounts, where would I be today? I don't put much credence in that at this point in time. I want to be able to have the documents so that we can evaluate and make a decision for ourselves, as opposed to relying on what may be just another allegation that may be ultimately rescinded and trotted out for the public to believe. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On whether Harding shot at police\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are eyewitnesses in the community who claim this young man never fired a shot and that he was in full sprint ahead. That's inconsistent with what the police said. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingMom.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Denika Chatman, Kenneth Harding's mother, on the shooting\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingMom.mp3|titles=HardingMom]\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On her feelings about the incident\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nI'm angry and I'm hurt and I want the truth and I want justice to be done. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What was Harding doing in the Bay Area?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He was going to meet his manager to get his music career started. He didn't want to sit around waiting for fall quarter to start. He wanted his music career to get up and going. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why did he run from police when stopped during a fare evasion check? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I can't answer that. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's his musical background? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rap. He has an older brother who's in a 10-year recording contract. He often appears on a lot of his brother's songs and performs with his brother. At this point he wanted his own career. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My older son, his record label is in San Francisco so he was trying to reach out to get the same type of deal. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Which label? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don’t want to say at this time. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Describe your son\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kenneth was a god-fearing person. He loved the Lord. He had been raised in church all of his life. He grew up in private Christian school. He was very independent. He was very loving, caring, giving. He loved his family. And he loved his mother. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On Harding's ties to the Bay Area\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have lived here back and forth for many years. He has plenty of family here and he also has plenty of friends here. He was here to meet his manager but at the same time he did visit with family and friends. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On his conviction as a juvenile sex offender and whether he Harding was violating his parole. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It doesn't have anything to do with what happened that day. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Adante Pointer: No matter his criminal background, that is not a means in and of itself to be shot down. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On donations\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I would like make a plea to the public. Kenneth has a donation account set up through any Wells Fargo. You go into any branch and give his name, Kenneth Harding, Jr., and let them know it's a Washington account. Or go to his facebook page. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What are the donations for? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To help to get my son home back to Washington as well as his burial. \u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Here's some \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOjYUFPCAUc&feature=player_embedded\">video\u003c/a> of the press conference from the SF Bay Guardian:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe width=\"425\" height=\"349\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/XOjYUFPCAUc\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1311779768,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":47,"wordCount":1620},"headData":{"title":"Audio: Mother of Kenneth Harding Defends Son, Attorney Slams SFPD Account of Shooting | KQED","description":"Yesterday at civil rights attorney John Burris' office in Oakland, attorney Adante Pointer, speaking for Kenneth Harding's family, questioned the police account of the shooting death of Harding, who was killed during a foot chase with officers in the Bayview on July 16. 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Harding's mother, Denika Chatman, 38, from Seattle, also spoke, defending her son's character and asking the public for donations. Other Harding relatives from both the Bay Area and Seattle were also present. \u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_35166\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshooting.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshooting-300x133.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"bayviewshooting\" width=\"300\" height=\"133\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-35166\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SF Police Chief Greg Suhr being chased by the media at a Bayview community meeting about the shooting. (Photo: Joshua Johnson, KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Pointer said he thought police accounts of the incident had changed too many times for the department to be credible. He didn't cite specific developments, but initially police thought they might have recovered Harding's gun from the scene, only to later announce it wasn't the right caliber. And last week, the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/21/reports-kenneth-harding-may-have-died-from-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound/\">medical examiner\u003c/a> said the bullet lodged in Harding's head was the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/25/bayview-shooting-explaining-the-discrepancy-between-sfpd-guns-and-bullet-found-in-kenneth-harding/\">wrong caliber\u003c/a> to have been fired from an officer's gun, leading police to assert that Harding may have shot himself with his own (still unrecovered) weapon. \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here are the main points from the press conference:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Pointer said his office had talked to over five eyewitness, and \"more than one\" had refuted the police's version of what happened, saying they never saw Harding with a gun. He asked for other witnesses to come forward, and called on police to give Harding's family access to all evidence and investigatory reports for review.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Pointer refuted the idea that Harding was in the Bay Area on the run from police. Chatman, Harding's mother, said Harding was in San Francisco to see his brother's record producer to discuss a music career. She said he'd been to the Bay Area many times to visit friends and family. \u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Neither one would respond to questions about any criminal activity on Harding's part, saying it was irrelevant to how he died. Harding was on parole for being a pimp to an underage girl, and was wanted for questioning in connection to the shooting death in Seattle of a 19-year-old girl.\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yesterday, it was \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/07/san_francisco_police_say_kenneth_harding_shot_himself.php\">reported\u003c/a> that the SFPD said it had received an APB for Harding's brother, \u003cdel datetime=\"2011-07-27T15:12:23+00:00\">in connection with the same shooting. \u003c/del> Neither Chatman nor Pointer would respond to questions about this report. (\u003cstrong>Update Jul 27\u003c/strong>: Harding's brother is a \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/27/BAN91KFBI7.DTL\">suspect\u003c/a> in the murder of a 50-year-old man in Seattle last Saturday.) \u003c/p>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Pointer said there was a \"concerted attack\" on Harding's character and reputation. Chatman called Harding \"God-fearing,\" \"caring,\" and \"loving.\" She said Harding was due to go to school in the fall at Seattle Central Community College.\n\u003c/li>\u003cli>Pointer asked for donations from the public in order to transport Harding's body back to Seattle and to pay for his funeral. \u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Audio and partial, edited transcripts:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingLawyer.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Attorney Adante Pointer on the Kenneth Harding shooting\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingLawyer.mp3|titles=HardingLawyer"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingLawyer.mp3|titles=HardingLawyer"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\n\u003cstrong>From opening statement\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know based upon the police department's shifting stories, conflicting statements, allegations and claims and retractions, that the truth seems to be far from at hand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When you have a situation where there's videotape and there are many witnesses who come out and say that it happened a particular way, and you have the police department that sets forth allegations and claims that it happened another way, but as the days go on and more investigation takes place, those stories continuously shift. So what we have are explanations and excuses built on a foundation of shifting sands. And that's nothing that you can build any type of trust or credibility with in a situation as critical as this. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so what we call on once again is for the San Francisco Police Department and all law enforcement agencies who have been involved in this investigation, to make available to the family, to my law firm, to the community, the fruits of that investigation so that we ourselves may evaluate what took place and draw our conclusions, and give this grieving mother, this mourning family, this community that has suffered for way too long, and this community who is needing and seeking some type of logical explanation as to what happened as opposed to what amounts to knee-jerk speculation. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so we ask once again that the coroner's investigative report, medical examiner reports, witness statements, any surveillance video, computer-automated dispatch 911 calls, the GSR test results, that these things be made available to this family so that they may have the closure that they are entitled to. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We are also here to address what amounts to a concerted attack upon the young man's character, upon his reputation, and that has been leaked out and put into the media for a person who is no longer here to defend himself. A person who despite his background, does not justify being killed in the manner of which it took place. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What we are here to offer and to share: This is a young man who was loved by his family. He had many relatives here in the Bay Area. We do not agree and we refute and reject the claim that he was here on the run, and we want to make it known that this was a young man who was actually enrolled in college, was expected to go to college in the fall, and his life was cut short needlessly. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know that there were potentially hundreds of people on the scene who saw what took place. We need them to find their voice, to find their courage, to contact my office, these community leaders, so that we can get this family to the truth, which is what they deserve. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the question of whether police could have rendered medical aid to Harding after he was shot\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For those officers on the scene, you \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/19/what-do-police-do-after-a-suspect-is-wounded/\">would have expected \u003c/a> them to administer some type of life-saving care. Whether that would have been to compress the wound, or to provide some comfort and dignity, as opposed to what we all have trag ically seen, which is a young man gasping for air, a young man bleeding to death on the sidewalk in a public spectacle type of way. (Note: See our previous \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/19/what-do-police-do-after-a-suspect-is-wounded/\">post\u003c/a> addressing that issue.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the police assertion that Harding may have shot himself\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If I had trusted in all the other accounts, where would I be today? I don't put much credence in that at this point in time. I want to be able to have the documents so that we can evaluate and make a decision for ourselves, as opposed to relying on what may be just another allegation that may be ultimately rescinded and trotted out for the public to believe. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On whether Harding shot at police\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are eyewitnesses in the community who claim this young man never fired a shot and that he was in full sprint ahead. That's inconsistent with what the police said. \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingMom.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Denika Chatman, Kenneth Harding's mother, on the shooting\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"label":":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingMom.mp3|titles=HardingMom"},"numeric":[":http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/HardingMom.mp3|titles=HardingMom"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On her feelings about the incident\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nI'm angry and I'm hurt and I want the truth and I want justice to be done. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What was Harding doing in the Bay Area?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He was going to meet his manager to get his music career started. He didn't want to sit around waiting for fall quarter to start. He wanted his music career to get up and going. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why did he run from police when stopped during a fare evasion check? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I can't answer that. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's his musical background? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rap. He has an older brother who's in a 10-year recording contract. He often appears on a lot of his brother's songs and performs with his brother. At this point he wanted his own career. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My older son, his record label is in San Francisco so he was trying to reach out to get the same type of deal. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Which label? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don’t want to say at this time. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Describe your son\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kenneth was a god-fearing person. He loved the Lord. He had been raised in church all of his life. He grew up in private Christian school. He was very independent. He was very loving, caring, giving. He loved his family. And he loved his mother. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On Harding's ties to the Bay Area\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have lived here back and forth for many years. He has plenty of family here and he also has plenty of friends here. He was here to meet his manager but at the same time he did visit with family and friends. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On his conviction as a juvenile sex offender and whether he Harding was violating his parole. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It doesn't have anything to do with what happened that day. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Adante Pointer: No matter his criminal background, that is not a means in and of itself to be shot down. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On donations\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I would like make a plea to the public. Kenneth has a donation account set up through any Wells Fargo. You go into any branch and give his name, Kenneth Harding, Jr., and let them know it's a Washington account. Or go to his facebook page. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What are the donations for? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To help to get my son home back to Washington as well as his burial. \u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Here's some \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOjYUFPCAUc&feature=player_embedded\">video\u003c/a> of the press conference from the SF Bay Guardian:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe width=\"425\" height=\"349\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/XOjYUFPCAUc\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/35129/bayview-shooting-audio-mother-of-kenneth-harding-attorney-question-police-account-defend-deceased","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188"],"tags":["news_1703","news_545","news_1699"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_34955":{"type":"posts","id":"news_34955","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"34955","score":null,"sort":[1311616324000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bayview-shooting-explaining-the-discrepancy-between-sfpd-guns-and-bullet-found-in-kenneth-harding","title":"Bayview Shooting: Explaining the Discrepancy Between SFPD Guns and Bullet Found in Kenneth Harding ","publishDate":1311616324,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>UPDATE, 1:13 PM: Another possibility in this matter is that sometimes officers carry backup weapons on the job, with the approval of their departments. This would be, perhaps, a firearm purchased personally that can be carried on one's person while on-duty. I asked SFPD about this, and Sgt. Michael Andraychak just informed me that this was NOT the case with these two officers. Andraychak says the officers do not have backup weapons registered to them. Also, no other updates on the investigation that he knew of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's a key piece of evidence in the controversy over San Francisco Police fatally shooting 19-year-old Kenneth Harding: a .380 caliber bullet. The \u003ca href=\"http://www.sf-police.org/index.aspx?page=3763&recordid=88\">\u003cstrong>medical examiner's office says\u003c/strong>\u003c/a> that bullet is the same caliber as a cartridge found in Harding's jacket pocket, but different from SFPD weapons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_34963\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 268px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshootingSM.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-34963\" title=\"bayviewshootingSM\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshootingSM.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"268\" height=\"119\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SFPD Chief Greg Suhr leaves chaotic Bayview meeting last week, trailed by media.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Still, in the last few days I've gotten a lot of messages (particularly in response to my \u003ca href=\"http://youtu.be/Ead6Z8UxtOQ\">YouTube video with SFPD Chief Greg Suhr\u003c/a>) asking whether a .40 caliber gun could fire a .380 bullet. In other words, could the bullet that lodged in Harding's head been fired by an SFPD gun?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's very obvious, the difference (between the calibers),\" says Scott Jackson, chief handgun instructor at Burlingame-based \u003ca href=\"http://www.bayareafirearms.com/\">Bay Area Firearms\u003c/a>. Jackson says a .380 bullet would not work in the service weapons used by San Francisco Police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Their guns are Sig Sauer .40 calibers,\" Jackson says. \"Standard-issue, period... If it's a completely different caliber than the duty-issued caliber of the SFPD, then it's very plain and simple that it wasn't fired from their gun.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A bullet's caliber is its diameter. That means a .40 caliber bullet measures .40 inches across. Jackson says a .380 caliber bullet is known as a \"short 9\", as in 9 mm bullet -- same diameter, but the .380 caliber has a shorter cartridge (holding the explosive powder behind the bullet).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jackson says it'd be easy to tell the difference between various types of bullets, if you're trained. \"We go over all the discernible differences (in our course),\" he says. \"We have trays full of spent cartridges, and... we show them the lengths of things.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SFPD initially thought a handgun recovered from a parolee's house was Harding's weapon, but the gun is a .45 caliber -- also, the wrong size. Investigators are still looking for the actual .380 gun that matches the bullet recovered from Harding's head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/tag/sfpd-bayview-hunters-point-shooting/\">More on the Harding shooting here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1311624807,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":11,"wordCount":438},"headData":{"title":"Bayview Shooting: Explaining the Discrepancy Between SFPD Guns and Bullet Found in Kenneth Harding | KQED","description":"UPDATE, 1:13 PM: Another possibility in this matter is that sometimes officers carry backup weapons on the job, with the approval of their departments. This would be, perhaps, a firearm purchased personally that can be carried on one's person while on-duty. I asked SFPD about this, and Sgt. Michael Andraychak just informed me that this","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Bayview Shooting: Explaining the Discrepancy Between SFPD Guns and Bullet Found in Kenneth Harding ","datePublished":"2011-07-25T17:52:04.000Z","dateModified":"2011-07-25T20:13:27.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"34955 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=34955","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/25/bayview-shooting-explaining-the-discrepancy-between-sfpd-guns-and-bullet-found-in-kenneth-harding/","disqusTitle":"Bayview Shooting: Explaining the Discrepancy Between SFPD Guns and Bullet Found in Kenneth Harding ","path":"/news/34955/bayview-shooting-explaining-the-discrepancy-between-sfpd-guns-and-bullet-found-in-kenneth-harding","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>UPDATE, 1:13 PM: Another possibility in this matter is that sometimes officers carry backup weapons on the job, with the approval of their departments. This would be, perhaps, a firearm purchased personally that can be carried on one's person while on-duty. I asked SFPD about this, and Sgt. Michael Andraychak just informed me that this was NOT the case with these two officers. Andraychak says the officers do not have backup weapons registered to them. Also, no other updates on the investigation that he knew of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's a key piece of evidence in the controversy over San Francisco Police fatally shooting 19-year-old Kenneth Harding: a .380 caliber bullet. The \u003ca href=\"http://www.sf-police.org/index.aspx?page=3763&recordid=88\">\u003cstrong>medical examiner's office says\u003c/strong>\u003c/a> that bullet is the same caliber as a cartridge found in Harding's jacket pocket, but different from SFPD weapons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_34963\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 268px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshootingSM.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-34963\" title=\"bayviewshootingSM\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/bayviewshootingSM.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"268\" height=\"119\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SFPD Chief Greg Suhr leaves chaotic Bayview meeting last week, trailed by media.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Still, in the last few days I've gotten a lot of messages (particularly in response to my \u003ca href=\"http://youtu.be/Ead6Z8UxtOQ\">YouTube video with SFPD Chief Greg Suhr\u003c/a>) asking whether a .40 caliber gun could fire a .380 bullet. In other words, could the bullet that lodged in Harding's head been fired by an SFPD gun?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's very obvious, the difference (between the calibers),\" says Scott Jackson, chief handgun instructor at Burlingame-based \u003ca href=\"http://www.bayareafirearms.com/\">Bay Area Firearms\u003c/a>. Jackson says a .380 bullet would not work in the service weapons used by San Francisco Police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Their guns are Sig Sauer .40 calibers,\" Jackson says. \"Standard-issue, period... If it's a completely different caliber than the duty-issued caliber of the SFPD, then it's very plain and simple that it wasn't fired from their gun.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A bullet's caliber is its diameter. That means a .40 caliber bullet measures .40 inches across. Jackson says a .380 caliber bullet is known as a \"short 9\", as in 9 mm bullet -- same diameter, but the .380 caliber has a shorter cartridge (holding the explosive powder behind the bullet).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jackson says it'd be easy to tell the difference between various types of bullets, if you're trained. \"We go over all the discernible differences (in our course),\" he says. \"We have trays full of spent cartridges, and... we show them the lengths of things.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SFPD initially thought a handgun recovered from a parolee's house was Harding's weapon, but the gun is a .45 caliber -- also, the wrong size. Investigators are still looking for the actual .380 gun that matches the bullet recovered from Harding's head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/tag/sfpd-bayview-hunters-point-shooting/\">More on the Harding shooting here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/34955/bayview-shooting-explaining-the-discrepancy-between-sfpd-guns-and-bullet-found-in-kenneth-harding","authors":["233"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188"],"tags":["news_1103","news_1703","news_545","news_1699"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_34706":{"type":"posts","id":"news_34706","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"34706","score":null,"sort":[1311289896000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"reports-kenneth-harding-may-have-died-from-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound","title":"Medical Examiner: Bayview Shooting Victim May Have Died From Self-Inflicted Wound","publishDate":1311289896,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Update 6:08 p.m.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED reporter Kelly Wilkinson just got off the phone with San Francisco Police Sergeant Michael Andraychak. According to Sergeant Andraychak, neither the fatal .380-caliber bullet, nor the similar bullet found in Mr. Harding's pocket can be matched to the gun \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/18/video-aftermath-angry-reaction-to-sfpd-shooting-death-of-man-in-bayview-hunters-point/\">police recovered\u003c/a> following last Saturday's incident, a .45-caliber pistol.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Original Post:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SAN FRANCISCO (Bay City News)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A man who was thought to have died from an officer-involved shooting in San Francisco last weekend appears instead to have been killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound, investigators revealed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kenneth Harding Jr., a 19-year-old Seattle resident, allegedly ran from officers who had attempted to detain him Saturday for fare evasion at a San Francisco Municipal Railway light-rail stop at Third Street and Palou\u003cbr>\nAvenue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Police had originally said Harding had turned and fired at the officers, who returned fire and fatally struck him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, the bullet believed to have killed Harding was removed from his head by the medical examiner, who discovered it was a .380-caliber bullet, which is not consistent with the service ammunition used by San Francisco police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Police said they also found an unused .380-caliber bullet in the right jacket pocket of Harding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The shooting has triggered several protests around the city since last weekend, including one Tuesday that led to 45 people being arrested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/21/BAAU1KDJ6H.DTL\">More from Marisa Lagos of the Chronicle here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1311297996,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":13,"wordCount":241},"headData":{"title":"Medical Examiner: Bayview Shooting Victim May Have Died From Self-Inflicted Wound | KQED","description":"Update 6:08 p.m. KQED reporter Kelly Wilkinson just got off the phone with San Francisco Police Sergeant Michael Andraychak. According to Sergeant Andraychak, neither the fatal .380-caliber bullet, nor the similar bullet found in Mr. Harding's pocket can be matched to the gun police recovered following last Saturday's incident, a .45-caliber pistol. 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According to Sergeant Andraychak, neither the fatal .380-caliber bullet, nor the similar bullet found in Mr. Harding's pocket can be matched to the gun \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/18/video-aftermath-angry-reaction-to-sfpd-shooting-death-of-man-in-bayview-hunters-point/\">police recovered\u003c/a> following last Saturday's incident, a .45-caliber pistol.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Original Post:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SAN FRANCISCO (Bay City News)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A man who was thought to have died from an officer-involved shooting in San Francisco last weekend appears instead to have been killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound, investigators revealed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kenneth Harding Jr., a 19-year-old Seattle resident, allegedly ran from officers who had attempted to detain him Saturday for fare evasion at a San Francisco Municipal Railway light-rail stop at Third Street and Palou\u003cbr>\nAvenue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Police had originally said Harding had turned and fired at the officers, who returned fire and fatally struck him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, the bullet believed to have killed Harding was removed from his head by the medical examiner, who discovered it was a .380-caliber bullet, which is not consistent with the service ammunition used by San Francisco police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Police said they also found an unused .380-caliber bullet in the right jacket pocket of Harding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The shooting has triggered several protests around the city since last weekend, including one Tuesday that led to 45 people being arrested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/21/BAAU1KDJ6H.DTL\">More from Marisa Lagos of the Chronicle here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/34706/reports-kenneth-harding-may-have-died-from-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound","authors":["237"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188"],"tags":["news_1703","news_545","news_1699"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_34570":{"type":"posts","id":"news_34570","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"34570","score":null,"sort":[1311225868000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"video-sfpd-chief-suhr-walks-out-of-chaotic-bayview-town-hall","title":"SFPD Chief Suhr Walks Out of Chaotic Bayview Town Hall; Video, Interview With Suhr Afterward","publishDate":1311225868,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>I'm just finishing up my radio report on tonight's town hall meeting at the Bayview Opera House in San Francisco's Bayview district, organized in response to Saturday's \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/tag/sfpd-bayview-hunters-point-shooting/\">police shooting\u003c/a> of 19-year-old parolee Kenneth Harding. The standing-room-only event degenerated into chaos and started clearing out soon after SFPD Chief Greg Suhr took the podium. Eventually he had enough and walked out after about an hour of trying to be heard. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Suhr used to be captain of the Bayview District police station before becoming chief. But that apparently wasn't enough street cred to satisfy many in the crowd. He barely got a minute into describing the events that led to Saturday's shooting before several angry residents shouted him down. Suhr backed away from the podium, and it wasn't long before a string of shouting attendees replaced him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To my knowledge there were no incidents or arrests; all of the officers inside the Opera House were dressed in standard patrol uniforms and kept pretty calm. In the end the chief dismissed the meeting's chaos as a distraction from the ongoing work of making Bayview safer and more livable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's the Bay Citizen's \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYzwBd4wY7s&feature=player_embedded\">video\u003c/a> of the meeting, from the time Suhr started speaking. He is soon interrupted, to the point where he stops and leaves the podium.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe width=\"480\" height=\"303\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/TYzwBd4wY7s\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c!--more-->\u003cbr>\nI talked to him briefly just after he left the meeting, surrounded by a cadre of SFPD officers, asking him what the next step was. \"We're so committed to the Bayview community,\" Suhr told me. \"We just keep going, we just keep working with the community of the Bayview. People are upset, an act of violence happened on their town square.\" \n\u003cp>Suhr also stood up for the police involved in the shooting. \"The police officers put themselves between a dangerous criminal and the public. It's never a good thing when anybody gets killed, but I don't think the officers signed up to get killed either.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's the \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ead6Z8UxtOQ\">video\u003c/a> of that interview:\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe width=\"480\" height=\"303\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ead6Z8UxtOQ\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The difficult thing about tonight's event and about \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/18/video-aftermath-angry-reaction-to-sfpd-shooting-death-of-man-in-bayview-hunters-point/\">Monday's protest\u003c/a> is that the anger and distrust toward the police can eclipse everything else. Barely anyone tonight asked about Saturday's shooting. Plenty of people asked about previous incidents they say amounted to police brutality -- often, incidents involving them directly. Suhr offered to meet directly with those who had concerns.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The investigation into the shooting continues both through internal affairs and through outside entities like the District Attorney's office and SFPD's Office of Citizen Complaints.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Leaving the meeting, I admit I felt rather disheartened. The folks in Bayview remind me of people I grew up with: generally good people fighting some major, decades-old problems. And it always seems hard to discuss these problems rationally without letting people vent first. This time the venting derailed the conversation in ways that left some of us shrugging our shoulders. I heard quite a few people express hope for a productive dialogue next time -- if and when there is a \"next time.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1311265347,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":13,"wordCount":517},"headData":{"title":"SFPD Chief Suhr Walks Out of Chaotic Bayview Town Hall; Video, Interview With Suhr Afterward | KQED","description":"I'm just finishing up my radio report on tonight's town hall meeting at the Bayview Opera House in San Francisco's Bayview district, organized in response to Saturday's police shooting of 19-year-old parolee Kenneth Harding. The standing-room-only event degenerated into chaos and started clearing out soon after SFPD Chief Greg Suhr took the podium. Eventually he","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"SFPD Chief Suhr Walks Out of Chaotic Bayview Town Hall; Video, Interview With Suhr Afterward","datePublished":"2011-07-21T05:24:28.000Z","dateModified":"2011-07-21T16:22:27.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"34570 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=34570","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/20/video-sfpd-chief-suhr-walks-out-of-chaotic-bayview-town-hall/","disqusTitle":"SFPD Chief Suhr Walks Out of Chaotic Bayview Town Hall; Video, Interview With Suhr Afterward","path":"/news/34570/video-sfpd-chief-suhr-walks-out-of-chaotic-bayview-town-hall","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>I'm just finishing up my radio report on tonight's town hall meeting at the Bayview Opera House in San Francisco's Bayview district, organized in response to Saturday's \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/tag/sfpd-bayview-hunters-point-shooting/\">police shooting\u003c/a> of 19-year-old parolee Kenneth Harding. The standing-room-only event degenerated into chaos and started clearing out soon after SFPD Chief Greg Suhr took the podium. Eventually he had enough and walked out after about an hour of trying to be heard. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Suhr used to be captain of the Bayview District police station before becoming chief. But that apparently wasn't enough street cred to satisfy many in the crowd. He barely got a minute into describing the events that led to Saturday's shooting before several angry residents shouted him down. Suhr backed away from the podium, and it wasn't long before a string of shouting attendees replaced him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To my knowledge there were no incidents or arrests; all of the officers inside the Opera House were dressed in standard patrol uniforms and kept pretty calm. In the end the chief dismissed the meeting's chaos as a distraction from the ongoing work of making Bayview safer and more livable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's the Bay Citizen's \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYzwBd4wY7s&feature=player_embedded\">video\u003c/a> of the meeting, from the time Suhr started speaking. He is soon interrupted, to the point where he stops and leaves the podium.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe width=\"480\" height=\"303\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/TYzwBd4wY7s\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c!--more-->\u003cbr>\nI talked to him briefly just after he left the meeting, surrounded by a cadre of SFPD officers, asking him what the next step was. \"We're so committed to the Bayview community,\" Suhr told me. \"We just keep going, we just keep working with the community of the Bayview. People are upset, an act of violence happened on their town square.\" \n\u003cp>Suhr also stood up for the police involved in the shooting. \"The police officers put themselves between a dangerous criminal and the public. It's never a good thing when anybody gets killed, but I don't think the officers signed up to get killed either.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's the \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ead6Z8UxtOQ\">video\u003c/a> of that interview:\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv style=\"text-align: center\">\u003ciframe width=\"480\" height=\"303\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ead6Z8UxtOQ\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The difficult thing about tonight's event and about \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/18/video-aftermath-angry-reaction-to-sfpd-shooting-death-of-man-in-bayview-hunters-point/\">Monday's protest\u003c/a> is that the anger and distrust toward the police can eclipse everything else. Barely anyone tonight asked about Saturday's shooting. Plenty of people asked about previous incidents they say amounted to police brutality -- often, incidents involving them directly. Suhr offered to meet directly with those who had concerns.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The investigation into the shooting continues both through internal affairs and through outside entities like the District Attorney's office and SFPD's Office of Citizen Complaints.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Leaving the meeting, I admit I felt rather disheartened. The folks in Bayview remind me of people I grew up with: generally good people fighting some major, decades-old problems. And it always seems hard to discuss these problems rationally without letting people vent first. This time the venting derailed the conversation in ways that left some of us shrugging our shoulders. I heard quite a few people express hope for a productive dialogue next time -- if and when there is a \"next time.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/34570/video-sfpd-chief-suhr-walks-out-of-chaotic-bayview-town-hall","authors":["233"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188"],"tags":["news_1300","news_1703","news_38","news_545","news_1699"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_34454":{"type":"posts","id":"news_34454","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"34454","score":null,"sort":[1311183047000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"yesterdays-bayview-hunters-point-shooting-protests","title":"Video: Yesterday's Bayview-Hunters Point Shooting Protests","publishDate":1311183047,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Video: Yesterday’s Bayview-Hunters Point Shooting Protests | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>More than 35 people were \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/20/BAUR1KCGBA.DTL\">arrested\u003c/a> yesterday during protests related to the shooting death of 19-year-old Kenneth Harding in Bayview-Hunters Point on Saturday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The media was out in full force and recorded a lot of video of the belligerent, rolling demonstration through the Mission, Castro, and downtown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here’s a \u003ca href=\"http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8260286\">report\u003c/a> from KGO, followed by more video:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/28604346/index.html\">Raw video of confrontations downtown\u003c/a> (KTVU)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/28605411/index.html\">Raw video of protest in Castro Muni station\u003c/a> (KTVU)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/category/watch-listen/video-on-demand/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6068492\">Interview with protester, photojournalist attacked\u003c/a> (KCBS)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrhaoxJz96w&feature=relmfu\">Powell Street protest\u003c/a> (Bay Citizen)\n\u003c/li>\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, police yesterday said \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/07/kenneth_harding_had_gunshot_re.php\">gunshot residue\u003c/a> was found on Kenneth Harding’s right hand after he was shot. Police say Harding, who was on parole in Washington state and wanted for questioning in the murder of a 19-year-old woman, fired at them first after fleeing a stop by officers at a Muni station. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, police \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/19/audiochart-bayview-hunters-point-gunshots-according-to-sfpd-recording-system/\">presented evidence\u003c/a> to the media, including audio of gunshots, which they say bolsters their contention that Harding fired first. A gun that police say was Harding’s was also recovered from the scene. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED’s Joshua Johnson tonight will be attending a community meeting in Bayview addressing the incident, and we’ll have a subsequent report from him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ian Hill, KQED News’ Online Social Media specialist, curated the following material from the web related to the protests yesterday:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>http://storify.com/kqednews/san-francisco-protest-of-fatal-shooting-leads-to-3\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1685493073,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":11,"wordCount":243},"headData":{"title":"Video: Yesterday's Bayview-Hunters Point Shooting Protests | KQED","description":"More than 35 people were arrested yesterday during protests related to the shooting death of 19-year-old Kenneth Harding in Bayview-Hunters Point on Saturday. 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Here's a report from KGO, followed by more","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Video: Yesterday's Bayview-Hunters Point Shooting Protests","datePublished":"2011-07-20T17:30:47.000Z","dateModified":"2023-05-31T00:31:13.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/34454/yesterdays-bayview-hunters-point-shooting-protests","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>More than 35 people were \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/20/BAUR1KCGBA.DTL\">arrested\u003c/a> yesterday during protests related to the shooting death of 19-year-old Kenneth Harding in Bayview-Hunters Point on Saturday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The media was out in full force and recorded a lot of video of the belligerent, rolling demonstration through the Mission, Castro, and downtown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here’s a \u003ca href=\"http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8260286\">report\u003c/a> from KGO, followed by more video:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/28604346/index.html\">Raw video of confrontations downtown\u003c/a> (KTVU)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/video/28605411/index.html\">Raw video of protest in Castro Muni station\u003c/a> (KTVU)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/category/watch-listen/video-on-demand/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6068492\">Interview with protester, photojournalist attacked\u003c/a> (KCBS)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrhaoxJz96w&feature=relmfu\">Powell Street protest\u003c/a> (Bay Citizen)\n\u003c/li>\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, police yesterday said \u003ca href=\"http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/07/kenneth_harding_had_gunshot_re.php\">gunshot residue\u003c/a> was found on Kenneth Harding’s right hand after he was shot. Police say Harding, who was on parole in Washington state and wanted for questioning in the murder of a 19-year-old woman, fired at them first after fleeing a stop by officers at a Muni station. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, police \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/07/19/audiochart-bayview-hunters-point-gunshots-according-to-sfpd-recording-system/\">presented evidence\u003c/a> to the media, including audio of gunshots, which they say bolsters their contention that Harding fired first. A gun that police say was Harding’s was also recovered from the scene. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED’s Joshua Johnson tonight will be attending a community meeting in Bayview addressing the incident, and we’ll have a subsequent report from him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ian Hill, KQED News’ Online Social Media specialist, curated the following material from the web related to the protests yesterday:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>http://storify.com/kqednews/san-francisco-protest-of-fatal-shooting-leads-to-3\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/34454/yesterdays-bayview-hunters-point-shooting-protests","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188"],"tags":["news_1703","news_38","news_545","news_1699"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_34377":{"type":"posts","id":"news_34377","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"34377","score":null,"sort":[1311114848000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"what-do-police-do-after-a-suspect-is-wounded","title":"What Do Police Do After a Suspect is Wounded?","publishDate":1311114848,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Many web sites and media are pointing to a video of the aftermath of Kenneth Harding's shooting death by police in Bayview this past weekend. That \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTbJEy7sj_4&feature=player_embedded\">video\u003c/a> focuses mostly on the angry crowd reaction to the shooting, and has been \u003ca href=\"http://www.ktvu.com/news/28578277/detail.html\">cited by police\u003c/a> as briefly showing a gun on the ground that police Harding had used to fire a shot at officers pursuing him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_34410\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/hardingscreenshot.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-34410\" title=\"hardingscreengrab\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/hardingscreenshot-300x214.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"214\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screengrab of video showing Keith Harding on the ground after being shot by San Francisco police, July 16, 2011.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But there's another video of the shooting out there taken from a different point of view and at an earlier point in time. (It's unclear whether the two were shot by the same person.) It shows a wounded Harding squirming on the ground as officers surround him with guns drawn. You can \u003ca href=\"http://sfist.com/2011/07/18/video_shows_sfpd_officers_crime_sce.php\">watch it here\u003c/a> if you want, but before you do, please note that it is \u003cstrong> very graphic\u003c/strong>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After watching the video, we wondered what sort of medical attention police typically render -- and when -- in a situation like this.\u003cbr>\n\u003c!--more-->\u003cbr>\nAt the beginning of the video, a wounded Harding is already on the ground, several officers having closed in on him with guns drawn. As some police keep their weapons pointed and others attend to a crowd of bystanders, Harding remains on his stomach, bleeding, at times with his head lifted, at times with it down. At around 1:40 of the video, an officer approaches and bends down to attend to him, though what he's doing is unclear from the recording.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Harding was shot while fleeing police after being stopped at about 4:45 p.m. and was pronounced dead at San Francisco General Hospital about 7 p.m., police said. One user comment on a previous post we did was critical of the police for waiting to administer to Harding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what is the protocol for attending to a wounded suspect on the ground? At what point do police make the determination to move in and assist medically?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED's Mina Kim asked that question of San Francisco Police Chief Greg Suhr at yesterday's police press conference. Audio and a transcript of his answer is below:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/suhrmedicalaidprotocol.mp3\">\u003cstrong>SF Police Chief Greg Suhr on protocol for aiding a wounded suspect\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/suhrmedicalaidprotocol.mp3|titles=suhrmedicalaidprotocol]\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's the protocol when a suspect has been shot and they're writhing on the ground? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you know that the gun is not in his possession, it could appear that he is struggling on the ground from his injuries. If you believe that he still holds the weapon, the officers believe that he was struggling to get back to his feet to continue to either flee or fire upon them. That's why their weapons are still pointed at the suspect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The video you're speaking of is approximately a minute and 45 seconds in duration. They're beckoning to the suspect for about a minute and a half to please show his hands, at which point in time they abandon that and the suspect stops moving, and then they move immediately to render medical aid.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>KQED's Kelly Wilkinson also talked about the video with \u003ca href=\"http://www.ggu.edu/school_of_law/law_faculty/keane\">Peter Keane\u003c/a>, a\u003cbr>\nformer police commissioner and dean emeritus of the Golden Gate University School of Law. An edited transcript is below the audio file.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/keanebayview.mp3\">\u003cstrong>Peter Keane on police protocol concerning rendering aid to a wounded suspect\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[audio:http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/07/keanebayview.mp3|titles=keanebayview]\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What is police protocol in this situation, when clearly a suspect's on the ground and struggling? At what point is it safe for police to move in and determine what his condition is or give him medical help? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once the police are satisfied that there is no danger to them from the person anymore, then they're under an obligation to provide medical assistance right away. In terms of the medical assistance that these officers could have provided, from what I'm seeing, there wasn't much that they could do except wait for paramedics to come. Because clearly he's shot, he's bleeding to death, and in terms of any kind of medical treatment, he really needs some paramedics or somebody with some specialized medical training to do something.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They could have attempted to do something, but the problem in that situation is they're not trained medical professionals and there is that kind of a situation than helpful. 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(It's unclear whether the two were shot by the same person.) It shows a wounded Harding squirming on the ground as officers surround him with guns drawn. You can \u003ca href=\"http://sfist.com/2011/07/18/video_shows_sfpd_officers_crime_sce.php\">watch it here\u003c/a> if you want, but before you do, please note that it is \u003cstrong> very graphic\u003c/strong>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After watching the video, we wondered what sort of medical attention police typically render -- and when -- in a situation like this.\u003cbr>\n\u003c!--more-->\u003cbr>\nAt the beginning of the video, a wounded Harding is already on the ground, several officers having closed in on him with guns drawn. As some police keep their weapons pointed and others attend to a crowd of bystanders, Harding remains on his stomach, bleeding, at times with his head lifted, at times with it down. 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