Interview: Mark Klaas, Father of Murder Victim Polly Klaas, Speaks in Support of Death Penalty
Interview: Former San Quentin Warden Advocates for Anti-Death Penalty Initiative
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Last month we posted his \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/12/23/former-warden-advocates-for-anti-death-penalty-ballot-initiative/\">\u003cstrong>full interview with Jeanne Woodford\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>, the former San Quentin warden who presided over four executions but is now a vocal opponent of capital punishment and a leading force in the drive to have it repealed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As part of today's report, Scott Shafer also interviewed Mark Klaas, who gained national attention after the 1993 murder of his twelve-year-old daughter Polly by Richard Allen Davis, who had abducted her from her home in Petaluma. Davis was a parolee with a \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Allen_Davis#Criminal_justice_history_record\">long criminal record\u003c/a>, and the grim resolution of the case helped galvanize the successful effort to pass California's \u003ca href=\"http://www.lao.ca.gov/2005/3_strikes/3_strikes_102005.htm\">Three Strikes and You're Out Law\u003c/a> in both the legislature and by voter initiative in 1994.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Klaas went on to found the \u003ca href=\"http://www.klaaskids.org/\">KlaasKids Foundation\u003c/a>, which advocates for child protection laws and offers recommendations and resources for keeping children safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Klaas opposes the effort to repeal the death penalty in California. Here is an edited transcript of Scott Shafer's interview with him:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What are your thoughts on the ballot measure to repeal the death penalty?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It seems to me that it's a waste of time and money. I believe the death penalty abolitionists have done a tremendous job of effectively killing the death penalty in California administratively, so I don’t know why they need a ballot measure to repeal it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I believe if it gets on the ballot, it will probably be defeated, simply because Californians and Americans have consistently supported the death penalty by pretty big numbers; I believe now \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/29/BAN51LAPF4.DTL\">it's in the mid-60s\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When you say anti-death penalty advocates have administratively killed it, what do you mean?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The best way to illustrate that is to point out that there are maybe 750 or more individuals on death row in California, a state that's executed 13 people in the last 30 years. That's what I mean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's various mechanisms to do that. The one that's being utilized right now is the idea that the administration of the lethal cocktail in the execution process \u003cem>may\u003c/em> cause pain to the individual being executed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the life of me, I don't understand why anybody is concerned about the last 10 minutes of a death row inmate's life, about whether that individual is feeling pain or not. It doesn't make any sense to me. These are people who are being executed for having committed absolute atrocities against innocent people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You and your family suffered a tremendous loss with the death of your daughter Polly. Richard Allen Davis has been on death row for sometime now. How would this law, if it were to pass, affect him, and what are your thoughts about that?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are many reasons I support the death penalty. But I can tell you, Richard Allen Davis told a psychiatrist that he spends his time in prison contemplating victims of his past crimes as he masturbates at least twice daily. I believe Polly and all the other girls and people he victimized through his long criminal history deserve peace of mind. And I believe they can't get peace of mind until justice is administered, and in this case it's the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>One of the arguments for the death penalty is that it brings closure to families of crimes. But Richard Allen Davis has been on death row since 1996...\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I believe his execution would bring closure to my daughter. She is the one that he contemplates as he acts out in his prison cell. It's not going to change my life one way or the other. But I don't invest a lot of time or energy in thinking about Richard Allen Davis. He's dominated my family's life quite enough as it is. I'm content to see him at least be on death row and know that at some point he may have to face that final judgment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What have other people who have witnessed the execution of a perpetrator of a crime against a family member told you? Did it make a difference?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It does make a difference. It's about carrying out the law. It's about the final judgment. Those individuals I've talked to -– family members who have witnessed executions -- are grateful for the experience, sad that it had to come to that, but satisfied that justice has been fulfilled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you mean they're sad it had to come to that?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well the taking of a life is not something that should ever be looked upon lightly. And nobody finds great joy in it, including the families of murder victims. And they know this better than anyone else. But it is the law, and it is a final judgment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that the individuals on death row are some of the worst individuals that have ever lived. You don't find yourself on death row unless you've done something really terrible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Unless you're there by mistake, which has happened...\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It has happened. But we don't know that anybody has ever been executed by mistake. But we do know that guilty people on death row who have been released back into society have killed again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These individuals on death row have no consideration for other people's humanity. They tend to be psychopathic and show no remorse for the crimes they have committed. I believe that as they walk that last mile and contemplate their own fate, they perhaps do understand better the value of life. I believe that's a hard-earned lesson, but if it's learned, then I think that's added value to the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The average length of stay on death row is at least 15 years. What do you think about the argument that because the death penalty appeal process is so long, a final judgment of life in prison without parole would provide a quicker resolution for victims' families?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I believe that as long as these guys are allowed to exist they continue to have an influence. Charles Manson is a good example. He was on death row, now he goes through the parole process every few years. In an effort to impress Charles Manson, who quite frankly should have been executed, one of his followers attempted to assassinate the President of the United States. I think if Charles Manson had been executed, \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/search?q=squeaky+fromme\">Squeaky Fromme\u003c/a> never would have taken that drastic step. What is it exactly we're trying to protect here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't know that giving a final judgment in the courtroom and suggesting that somebody will spend the rest of their life in prison without possibility of parole can be depended on. I don't know that's something we can believe, given the fact that death row inmates have been put back into society only to kill again, and certainly individuals who have been given life without possibility of parole, depending upon what is going on in society at the time, have been put back onto the streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Look at the current environment in California right now. Jerry Brown has \u003ca href=\"http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/29/3588083/brown-departs-from-predecessors.html\">put more convicted murderers back on the street through parole\u003c/a> then the three previous governors combined. So I don't trust the system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Do you think the death penalty is a \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=eRR&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=correlation+between+murder+rate+and+death+penalty&oq=correlation+between+murder+rate+and+death+penalty&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=20148l25130l0l25354l18l16l0l2l0l5l224l2013l1.12.1l14l0\">deterrent\u003c/a>?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Absolutely. There have been plenty of studies that demonstrate a correlation between the number of murders committed in a year and the number of executions the previous year. The correlation, depending upon the study, is that anywhere from 3-15 fewer murders are committed as a result of executions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's one way to measure the deterrence. Another way is the simple reasoning and logic of our species, that there are consequences for punishment. And if one small population of individuals realizes they might be facing death if they commit a certain crime, it might back them off from committing it. Even Alan Dershowitz, one of the great abolitionists, has \u003ca href=\"http://books.google.com/books?id=0diGCZEAWcQC&pg=PT233&lpg=PT233&dq=deters+some+crimes.+That%E2%80%99s+why+you+have+to+pay+more+for+a+hit+man+in+a+death+penalty+state+than+a+non-death+penalty+state.%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=24cBLrKkKd&sig=4O1KT0rkvo-QDU-6Vk1TfwxIW1U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GWwQT_q8GbHYiQL2prngDQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=deters%20some%20crimes.%20That%E2%80%99s%20why%20you%20have%20to%20pay%20more%20for%20a%20hit%20man%20in%20a%20death%20penalty%20state%20than%20a%20non-death%20penalty%20state.%E2%80%9D&f=false\">said you can hire a hitman for less money in a state that doesn't have the death penalty than in a state that does\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>If Richard Allen Davis is put to death, how do you think you'll spend that day?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'll spend the day in the execution chamber watching him die. And I would hope that the last thing he would see would be my eyes. Just as the last thing my daughter saw before he strangled the life out of her after he raped her were his eyes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The thing that strikes me about this issue is the people who say the death penalty costs too much money and the appeals last too long -- they're the very same people who have created this environment to begin with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are fixes that could streamline the death penalty and make it move much more quickly. For instance, there are only a hundred or so lawyers qualified to handle death penalty appeals in the state of California. Yet there are somewhere between 175,000 - 200,000 lawyers in the state. It seems to me that out of that population you would be able to find people willing to do the training and become part of that process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We can also look at the whole appeals process. Currently only the California Supreme Court is qualified to hear death penalty appeals. With this vast population of individuals on death row, that's a process that gets backed up. In a lot of other states the appeals court is able to handle death penalty appeals, with a final review by the state supreme court. I think if California moved in that direction, we would find a way to streamline the process so these individuals wouldn't have to linger on death row and justice wouldn't be denied for decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How do you think Polly's death and the way she died changed the way you think about criminal justice?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I've heard it said that a liberal is a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet. I think I looked at criminal justice very differently. I didn't realize the big lie that individuals would be sentenced to long sentences behind bars in the open courtroom but everyone in court except the public would understand that it had no relevance at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Richard Allen Davis had been sentenced to over 200 years behind bars prior to the crime he committed against my daughter. What was this guy doing on the street at 38 years old after the history of violence he'd perpetrated? So I think things like Three Strikes and \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:mC8KMZu1rNUJ:bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/tssp.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi-WUP8oxGv7pOPKNcKKBGcC-ddW5BlCO1kgM_uj8AFtSRVvuxqm9Vo-8ciVcYbFmjiIm2jaq7VKqNpazFLGtEpOG-22lRSeqyqBI5p0sfH75cHO1sowWsz0ksMgFeaVksP7J9D&sig=AHIEtbSITgr1cNYKHhAXkB4cceJN3h9maA\">Truth in Sentencing\u003c/a> have served society well. After those policies became part of the process, we really saw crime drop dramatically in the US.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>There's another \u003ca href=\"http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/voters-want-3-strikes-reform-fate-ballot-initiative-unclear-10874\">ballot measure being circulated, to reform Three Strikes and You're Out\u003c/a>. What do you think about reforming Three Strikes, so that the third strike would have to be a violent crime?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think Three Strikes is a marvelous piece of legislation. A lot of people blame it for prison overcrowding, but the reality is there are around 10,000 individuals in the California prison system on a third strike out of a population of something like 150,000. The idea that the third strike needs to be violent defeats the purpose of what Three Strikes is about. It's about stopping the victimization, about these guys understanding they face the possibility of 25-to-life if they continue to commit crimes, yet they continue to commit crimes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They might get caught for a petty crime, as some of them do, or they might get caught in the commission of a violent crime. But the penalty enhancement is supposed to motivate these guys to do the right thing. And if they're not doing the right thing, then you want to get a hold of them and move them out before they rape somebody, before they murder somebody, before they commit assault and battery on somebody.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/12/23/former-warden-advocates-for-anti-death-penalty-ballot-initiative/\">You can click here for Scott Shafer's interview with anti-death penalty advocate Jeanne Woodford\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1326502217,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":45,"wordCount":2058},"headData":{"title":"Interview: Mark Klaas, Father of Murder Victim Polly Klaas, Speaks in Support of Death Penalty | KQED","description":"This morning The California Report's Scott Shafer reported on the attempt to end the death penalty in the state through a voter initiative. Last month we posted his full interview with Jeanne Woodford, the former San Quentin warden who presided over four executions but is now a vocal opponent of capital punishment and a leading","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"52975 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=52975","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/01/13/interview-mark-klaas-father-of-murder-victim-polly-klaas-speaks-in-support-of-death-penalty/","disqusTitle":"Interview: Mark Klaas, Father of Murder Victim Polly Klaas, Speaks in Support of Death Penalty","path":"/news/52975/interview-mark-klaas-father-of-murder-victim-polly-klaas-speaks-in-support-of-death-penalty","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>This morning The California Report's Scott Shafer \u003ca href=\"http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201201130850/c\">reported on\u003c/a> the attempt to end the death penalty in the state through a \u003ca href=\"http://www.safecalifornia.org/home\">voter initiative\u003c/a>. Last month we posted his \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/12/23/former-warden-advocates-for-anti-death-penalty-ballot-initiative/\">\u003cstrong>full interview with Jeanne Woodford\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>, the former San Quentin warden who presided over four executions but is now a vocal opponent of capital punishment and a leading force in the drive to have it repealed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As part of today's report, Scott Shafer also interviewed Mark Klaas, who gained national attention after the 1993 murder of his twelve-year-old daughter Polly by Richard Allen Davis, who had abducted her from her home in Petaluma. Davis was a parolee with a \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Allen_Davis#Criminal_justice_history_record\">long criminal record\u003c/a>, and the grim resolution of the case helped galvanize the successful effort to pass California's \u003ca href=\"http://www.lao.ca.gov/2005/3_strikes/3_strikes_102005.htm\">Three Strikes and You're Out Law\u003c/a> in both the legislature and by voter initiative in 1994.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Klaas went on to found the \u003ca href=\"http://www.klaaskids.org/\">KlaasKids Foundation\u003c/a>, which advocates for child protection laws and offers recommendations and resources for keeping children safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Klaas opposes the effort to repeal the death penalty in California. Here is an edited transcript of Scott Shafer's interview with him:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What are your thoughts on the ballot measure to repeal the death penalty?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It seems to me that it's a waste of time and money. I believe the death penalty abolitionists have done a tremendous job of effectively killing the death penalty in California administratively, so I don’t know why they need a ballot measure to repeal it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I believe if it gets on the ballot, it will probably be defeated, simply because Californians and Americans have consistently supported the death penalty by pretty big numbers; I believe now \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/29/BAN51LAPF4.DTL\">it's in the mid-60s\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When you say anti-death penalty advocates have administratively killed it, what do you mean?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The best way to illustrate that is to point out that there are maybe 750 or more individuals on death row in California, a state that's executed 13 people in the last 30 years. That's what I mean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's various mechanisms to do that. The one that's being utilized right now is the idea that the administration of the lethal cocktail in the execution process \u003cem>may\u003c/em> cause pain to the individual being executed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the life of me, I don't understand why anybody is concerned about the last 10 minutes of a death row inmate's life, about whether that individual is feeling pain or not. It doesn't make any sense to me. These are people who are being executed for having committed absolute atrocities against innocent people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You and your family suffered a tremendous loss with the death of your daughter Polly. Richard Allen Davis has been on death row for sometime now. How would this law, if it were to pass, affect him, and what are your thoughts about that?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are many reasons I support the death penalty. But I can tell you, Richard Allen Davis told a psychiatrist that he spends his time in prison contemplating victims of his past crimes as he masturbates at least twice daily. I believe Polly and all the other girls and people he victimized through his long criminal history deserve peace of mind. And I believe they can't get peace of mind until justice is administered, and in this case it's the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>One of the arguments for the death penalty is that it brings closure to families of crimes. But Richard Allen Davis has been on death row since 1996...\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I believe his execution would bring closure to my daughter. She is the one that he contemplates as he acts out in his prison cell. It's not going to change my life one way or the other. But I don't invest a lot of time or energy in thinking about Richard Allen Davis. He's dominated my family's life quite enough as it is. I'm content to see him at least be on death row and know that at some point he may have to face that final judgment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What have other people who have witnessed the execution of a perpetrator of a crime against a family member told you? Did it make a difference?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It does make a difference. It's about carrying out the law. It's about the final judgment. Those individuals I've talked to -– family members who have witnessed executions -- are grateful for the experience, sad that it had to come to that, but satisfied that justice has been fulfilled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you mean they're sad it had to come to that?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well the taking of a life is not something that should ever be looked upon lightly. And nobody finds great joy in it, including the families of murder victims. And they know this better than anyone else. But it is the law, and it is a final judgment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that the individuals on death row are some of the worst individuals that have ever lived. You don't find yourself on death row unless you've done something really terrible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Unless you're there by mistake, which has happened...\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It has happened. But we don't know that anybody has ever been executed by mistake. But we do know that guilty people on death row who have been released back into society have killed again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These individuals on death row have no consideration for other people's humanity. They tend to be psychopathic and show no remorse for the crimes they have committed. I believe that as they walk that last mile and contemplate their own fate, they perhaps do understand better the value of life. I believe that's a hard-earned lesson, but if it's learned, then I think that's added value to the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The average length of stay on death row is at least 15 years. What do you think about the argument that because the death penalty appeal process is so long, a final judgment of life in prison without parole would provide a quicker resolution for victims' families?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I believe that as long as these guys are allowed to exist they continue to have an influence. Charles Manson is a good example. He was on death row, now he goes through the parole process every few years. In an effort to impress Charles Manson, who quite frankly should have been executed, one of his followers attempted to assassinate the President of the United States. I think if Charles Manson had been executed, \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/search?q=squeaky+fromme\">Squeaky Fromme\u003c/a> never would have taken that drastic step. What is it exactly we're trying to protect here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't know that giving a final judgment in the courtroom and suggesting that somebody will spend the rest of their life in prison without possibility of parole can be depended on. I don't know that's something we can believe, given the fact that death row inmates have been put back into society only to kill again, and certainly individuals who have been given life without possibility of parole, depending upon what is going on in society at the time, have been put back onto the streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Look at the current environment in California right now. Jerry Brown has \u003ca href=\"http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/29/3588083/brown-departs-from-predecessors.html\">put more convicted murderers back on the street through parole\u003c/a> then the three previous governors combined. So I don't trust the system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Do you think the death penalty is a \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=eRR&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=correlation+between+murder+rate+and+death+penalty&oq=correlation+between+murder+rate+and+death+penalty&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=20148l25130l0l25354l18l16l0l2l0l5l224l2013l1.12.1l14l0\">deterrent\u003c/a>?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Absolutely. There have been plenty of studies that demonstrate a correlation between the number of murders committed in a year and the number of executions the previous year. The correlation, depending upon the study, is that anywhere from 3-15 fewer murders are committed as a result of executions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's one way to measure the deterrence. Another way is the simple reasoning and logic of our species, that there are consequences for punishment. And if one small population of individuals realizes they might be facing death if they commit a certain crime, it might back them off from committing it. Even Alan Dershowitz, one of the great abolitionists, has \u003ca href=\"http://books.google.com/books?id=0diGCZEAWcQC&pg=PT233&lpg=PT233&dq=deters+some+crimes.+That%E2%80%99s+why+you+have+to+pay+more+for+a+hit+man+in+a+death+penalty+state+than+a+non-death+penalty+state.%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=24cBLrKkKd&sig=4O1KT0rkvo-QDU-6Vk1TfwxIW1U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GWwQT_q8GbHYiQL2prngDQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=deters%20some%20crimes.%20That%E2%80%99s%20why%20you%20have%20to%20pay%20more%20for%20a%20hit%20man%20in%20a%20death%20penalty%20state%20than%20a%20non-death%20penalty%20state.%E2%80%9D&f=false\">said you can hire a hitman for less money in a state that doesn't have the death penalty than in a state that does\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>If Richard Allen Davis is put to death, how do you think you'll spend that day?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'll spend the day in the execution chamber watching him die. And I would hope that the last thing he would see would be my eyes. Just as the last thing my daughter saw before he strangled the life out of her after he raped her were his eyes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The thing that strikes me about this issue is the people who say the death penalty costs too much money and the appeals last too long -- they're the very same people who have created this environment to begin with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are fixes that could streamline the death penalty and make it move much more quickly. For instance, there are only a hundred or so lawyers qualified to handle death penalty appeals in the state of California. Yet there are somewhere between 175,000 - 200,000 lawyers in the state. It seems to me that out of that population you would be able to find people willing to do the training and become part of that process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We can also look at the whole appeals process. Currently only the California Supreme Court is qualified to hear death penalty appeals. With this vast population of individuals on death row, that's a process that gets backed up. In a lot of other states the appeals court is able to handle death penalty appeals, with a final review by the state supreme court. I think if California moved in that direction, we would find a way to streamline the process so these individuals wouldn't have to linger on death row and justice wouldn't be denied for decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How do you think Polly's death and the way she died changed the way you think about criminal justice?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I've heard it said that a liberal is a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet. I think I looked at criminal justice very differently. I didn't realize the big lie that individuals would be sentenced to long sentences behind bars in the open courtroom but everyone in court except the public would understand that it had no relevance at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Richard Allen Davis had been sentenced to over 200 years behind bars prior to the crime he committed against my daughter. What was this guy doing on the street at 38 years old after the history of violence he'd perpetrated? So I think things like Three Strikes and \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:mC8KMZu1rNUJ:bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/tssp.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi-WUP8oxGv7pOPKNcKKBGcC-ddW5BlCO1kgM_uj8AFtSRVvuxqm9Vo-8ciVcYbFmjiIm2jaq7VKqNpazFLGtEpOG-22lRSeqyqBI5p0sfH75cHO1sowWsz0ksMgFeaVksP7J9D&sig=AHIEtbSITgr1cNYKHhAXkB4cceJN3h9maA\">Truth in Sentencing\u003c/a> have served society well. After those policies became part of the process, we really saw crime drop dramatically in the US.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>There's another \u003ca href=\"http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/voters-want-3-strikes-reform-fate-ballot-initiative-unclear-10874\">ballot measure being circulated, to reform Three Strikes and You're Out\u003c/a>. What do you think about reforming Three Strikes, so that the third strike would have to be a violent crime?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think Three Strikes is a marvelous piece of legislation. A lot of people blame it for prison overcrowding, but the reality is there are around 10,000 individuals in the California prison system on a third strike out of a population of something like 150,000. The idea that the third strike needs to be violent defeats the purpose of what Three Strikes is about. It's about stopping the victimization, about these guys understanding they face the possibility of 25-to-life if they continue to commit crimes, yet they continue to commit crimes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They might get caught for a petty crime, as some of them do, or they might get caught in the commission of a violent crime. But the penalty enhancement is supposed to motivate these guys to do the right thing. And if they're not doing the right thing, then you want to get a hold of them and move them out before they rape somebody, before they murder somebody, before they commit assault and battery on somebody.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/12/23/former-warden-advocates-for-anti-death-penalty-ballot-initiative/\">You can click here for Scott Shafer's interview with anti-death penalty advocate Jeanne Woodford\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/52975/interview-mark-klaas-father-of-murder-victim-polly-klaas-speaks-in-support-of-death-penalty","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188"],"tags":["news_2183","news_2221","news_23"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_51218":{"type":"posts","id":"news_51218","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"51218","score":null,"sort":[1324686498000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"former-warden-advocates-for-anti-death-penalty-ballot-initiative","title":"Interview: Former San Quentin Warden Advocates for Anti-Death Penalty Initiative ","publishDate":1324686498,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_51246\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 151px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/12/Jeanne-Woodford-headshot.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-51246 \" title=\"Jeanne-Woodford-headshot\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/12/Jeanne-Woodford-headshot.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"151\" height=\"175\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jeanne Woodford. Photo: Courtesy of Death Penalty Focus\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Former San Quentin warden Jeanne Woodford, who presided over four executions during her tenure, is now a vocal opponent of capital punishment and the executive director of \u003ca href=\"http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.php\">Death Penalty Focus\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She and other anti-death penalty groups and individuals are pushing the SAFE California Act, a \u003ca href=\"http://www.safecalifornia.org/home\">ballot initiative\u003c/a> that would eliminate executions, leaving life-without-parole as the most severe criminal punishment in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Report's Scott Shafer interviewed Woodford this week about the initiative and the reasons for her opposition to the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Edited transcript...\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How optimistic are you that you'll get the signatures for the \u003ca href=\"http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.php\">ballot measure\u003c/a>? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're very optimistic. We've been collecting signatures for almost six weeks and we have over 300,000. We need 504,000 to qualify. They're not due until the middle of March.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Who's funding the campaign? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We put out the statement of who has contributed to date about a month ago. Included on that are some members from Google, Reed Hastings, and a couple of others. It's on the campaign web site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why should we replace the current law with your initiative? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Our initiative is very simple. It ends capital punishment and leaves life without parole as the harshest penalty in California. Which is really what we have. Most individuals die on death row of old age and other causes other than execution. Because as you know we've had the death penalty as law for over 30 years, but we've executed just 13 people. And nearly a hundred have exited death row because of death or other causes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The death penalty is so expensive, as the \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/20/local/la-me-adv-death-penalty-costs-20110620\">Alarcon-Mitchell report revealed\u003c/a>. We've spent $4 billion on capital punishment in the past 30 years; if we continue down this path we'll spend $9 billion by 2030. We rarely execute anyone; it's been nearly six years since we've had an execution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Law enforcement believes it is the least effective tool for preventing crime. Studies reveal it does not prevent crime at all, because for a punishment to prevent crime it needs to be certain and swift, and the death penalty is neither.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Life without parole provides for public safety. It keeps individuals in maximum security prisons for the rest of their lives. There is no opportunity for them to be released. Many members of the public don't understand that is a real punishment, it is a harsh punishment. And it will save the state money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And by eliminating the death penalty we eliminate the possibility of executing an innocent person. As you probably already know, we have about 139 people who have been exonerated on death rows across the country. We have not had a California exoneree on death row, but we have many exonerees who have had life sentences. The fact that they had a life sentence allowed them to prove their innocence, and I think that's very important for our culture and our society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The campaign against the initiative – they may show pictures of Richard Allen Davis and Scott Peterson and the night stalker, Richard Ramirez...and the campaign will claim that this initiative helps them, asking why they shouldn't pay the ultimate price for the most heinous crimes imaginable...\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well the fact that the public recognizes every one of their names and pictures is a cause to end the death penalty. Their names stay in the media constantly and I think that's so hurtful to the surviving family members. We're not helping victims. Those same individuals, if they had been sentenced to life without possibility of parole, would have been sentenced to a maximum security prison where we probably would have forgotten all about them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think it's very hurtful and harmful to those family members to have to relive these crimes over and over again, and for the individuals you named to get as much attention as they do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You presided over four executions. Do you think the death penalty is immoral? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I've always been morally against the death penalty. Many people who've been involved in executions have a moral objection to the death penalty, but we believe in carrying out the law, we're public servants. A moral objection is not why I'm arguing for ending the death penalty at this point.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I 'm arguing against it because it doesn't serve us, it's not a public safety tool. A public safety tool is preventing crime, and the best way to do that is to solve crime. Forty-six percent of homicides in the state go unsolved each year, 56 percent of rapes go unsolved each year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a public servant who has been in public safety for over 30 years, I believe the best way to protect our children, our neighborhoods, our communities, is to utilize the money we have been wasting on an ineffective punishment to solve crimes, to keep police on the streets, and that's what our initiative does.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It ends capital punishment as the harshest penalty, leaves life without parole, requires all individuals serving life without possibility of parole to work while they're incarcerated their entire life and to pay restitution to the victims' compensation fund. And it allows a hundred million dollars to be set aside for three years to solve unsolved homicides and unsolved rapes in this state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>As you point out, the leading cause of death on death row is suicide or murder or natural causes, not execution. There are people who will oppose your ballot measure and say the problem with the death penalty in California is that it takes too long and we need to speed it up, not so that it's careless but so that it's more efficient. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Alarcon-Mitchell report and the \u003ca href=\"http://www.ccfaj.org/rr-dp-official.html\">report by the Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice\u003c/a> conducted a few years ago said that in order to fix -- if there is such a thing -- the death penalty, California would have to spend $100 million more per year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is really about choices. Do we have that money? You have to take it away from somewhere else. Taking police off the street makes us less safe. Ending programs for delinquent youth makes us less safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In other states where they have tried to improve or fix or hurry this along, they have found more innocent people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And in states that carry out executions, they have some of the highest crime rates in the nation compared to states that don't have the death penalty at all or California, where we haven't been executing people for very long.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why now? Has the public mood changed on this? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think the public is concerned about the cost. We've had two very good reports that detail how much we spend on the death penalty and the fact we've had only 13 executions in over 30 years and that there's so much litigation involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We've gone without an execution for six years; the costs continue to go up, so this is the right time for people to question how we should use our public safety dollars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any idea on how the governor will come out on this? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't know. He's publicly said he's opposed to the death penalty, so I believe he supports ending capital punishment. But I don't' know what he'll publicly say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Thinking about the different interest groups who could wage campaigns against this -- prison guards, district attorneys, police officer associations – what are you hearing from them?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far we haven't heard from those groups. But I think it's really important to note that we have more law enforcement in favor of ending capital punishment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have Gil Garcetti, the former Deputy District Attorney in Los Angeles County who fought very hard for many capital cases in that county, who now says it just doesn't work. In addition there are other police and corrections staff across the state who have signed onto our initiative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any sitting district attorneys? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far no sitting district attorneys. We know that there are some who don't believe the death penalty is an effective tool. There are very few counties that continue to utilize the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far this year, there have been fewer people sent to death row than at any point since the death penalty has been put on the books. But even prior to the bad economy, there are only about 10 counties that continue to seek the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>There will no doubt be victims' families who will oppose this and who will say they want these individuals to die for what they did to their family members...\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that's a very natural reaction, to want someone to die when they harm your family. These crimes are very horrific. So I understand that feeling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I will tell you that as time goes on, there are more and more family members of victims seeking alternatives to the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't provide the closure that victims really need and deserve.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People wait years for an execution that may or may not happen. People come to the prison thinking that the execution will somehow bring closure to them. I've just never had someone who that happened to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, I've had reporters tell me that family members told them a month or two after the execution that they regretted having been involved in the process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When you were warden at San Quentin and presided over these executions, what was that like for you? And did you always feel that this is wrong and ineffective?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Each execution is different. Of the four, one was a volunteer who stopped his appeals -- that was very different than the other three.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You go to work each day, 60 days prior to the execution, knowing that you plan to kill someone, and lead your staff through it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the case of the volunteer, you know that you are going to assist someone with what amounts to suicide. So it has an impact on you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't think you quite realize the impact until you walk away from the job. Because when you're the warden, you're the leader of a very large organization. All of your thoughts are about your staff, your mission, and keeping people safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I was the warden for five years...and every night I was awakeneed by a phone call for some emergency at the prison. So in that capacity, you don't get to think about yourself very much. Having left, I realize the impact that carrying out executions had on me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In talking to wardens across the country, they have reflected in their involvement in executions and have the same feelings I do; it's very hurtful. 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When you come to realize the executions have done nothing to serve that purpose, then you really wonder why you have done that at all.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>To read alternative views from pro-death penalty advocates, \u003ca href=\"http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/\">Pro Death Penalty.com\u003c/a> has an extensive \u003ca href=\"http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/links2.htm\">list of resources\u003c/a>, including official sites for 27 states that employ the death penalty as well as neutral and anti-death penalty sites.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1324700166,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":59,"wordCount":2050},"headData":{"title":"Interview: Former San Quentin Warden Advocates for Anti-Death Penalty Initiative | KQED","description":"Former San Quentin warden Jeanne Woodford, who presided over four executions during her tenure, is now a vocal opponent of capital punishment and the executive director of Death Penalty Focus. 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Photo: Courtesy of Death Penalty Focus\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Former San Quentin warden Jeanne Woodford, who presided over four executions during her tenure, is now a vocal opponent of capital punishment and the executive director of \u003ca href=\"http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.php\">Death Penalty Focus\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She and other anti-death penalty groups and individuals are pushing the SAFE California Act, a \u003ca href=\"http://www.safecalifornia.org/home\">ballot initiative\u003c/a> that would eliminate executions, leaving life-without-parole as the most severe criminal punishment in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The California Report's Scott Shafer interviewed Woodford this week about the initiative and the reasons for her opposition to the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Edited transcript...\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How optimistic are you that you'll get the signatures for the \u003ca href=\"http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.php\">ballot measure\u003c/a>? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're very optimistic. We've been collecting signatures for almost six weeks and we have over 300,000. We need 504,000 to qualify. They're not due until the middle of March.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Who's funding the campaign? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We put out the statement of who has contributed to date about a month ago. Included on that are some members from Google, Reed Hastings, and a couple of others. It's on the campaign web site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why should we replace the current law with your initiative? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Our initiative is very simple. It ends capital punishment and leaves life without parole as the harshest penalty in California. Which is really what we have. Most individuals die on death row of old age and other causes other than execution. Because as you know we've had the death penalty as law for over 30 years, but we've executed just 13 people. And nearly a hundred have exited death row because of death or other causes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The death penalty is so expensive, as the \u003ca href=\"http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/20/local/la-me-adv-death-penalty-costs-20110620\">Alarcon-Mitchell report revealed\u003c/a>. We've spent $4 billion on capital punishment in the past 30 years; if we continue down this path we'll spend $9 billion by 2030. We rarely execute anyone; it's been nearly six years since we've had an execution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Law enforcement believes it is the least effective tool for preventing crime. Studies reveal it does not prevent crime at all, because for a punishment to prevent crime it needs to be certain and swift, and the death penalty is neither.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Life without parole provides for public safety. It keeps individuals in maximum security prisons for the rest of their lives. There is no opportunity for them to be released. Many members of the public don't understand that is a real punishment, it is a harsh punishment. And it will save the state money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And by eliminating the death penalty we eliminate the possibility of executing an innocent person. As you probably already know, we have about 139 people who have been exonerated on death rows across the country. We have not had a California exoneree on death row, but we have many exonerees who have had life sentences. The fact that they had a life sentence allowed them to prove their innocence, and I think that's very important for our culture and our society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The campaign against the initiative – they may show pictures of Richard Allen Davis and Scott Peterson and the night stalker, Richard Ramirez...and the campaign will claim that this initiative helps them, asking why they shouldn't pay the ultimate price for the most heinous crimes imaginable...\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well the fact that the public recognizes every one of their names and pictures is a cause to end the death penalty. Their names stay in the media constantly and I think that's so hurtful to the surviving family members. We're not helping victims. Those same individuals, if they had been sentenced to life without possibility of parole, would have been sentenced to a maximum security prison where we probably would have forgotten all about them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think it's very hurtful and harmful to those family members to have to relive these crimes over and over again, and for the individuals you named to get as much attention as they do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You presided over four executions. Do you think the death penalty is immoral? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I've always been morally against the death penalty. Many people who've been involved in executions have a moral objection to the death penalty, but we believe in carrying out the law, we're public servants. A moral objection is not why I'm arguing for ending the death penalty at this point.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I 'm arguing against it because it doesn't serve us, it's not a public safety tool. A public safety tool is preventing crime, and the best way to do that is to solve crime. Forty-six percent of homicides in the state go unsolved each year, 56 percent of rapes go unsolved each year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a public servant who has been in public safety for over 30 years, I believe the best way to protect our children, our neighborhoods, our communities, is to utilize the money we have been wasting on an ineffective punishment to solve crimes, to keep police on the streets, and that's what our initiative does.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It ends capital punishment as the harshest penalty, leaves life without parole, requires all individuals serving life without possibility of parole to work while they're incarcerated their entire life and to pay restitution to the victims' compensation fund. And it allows a hundred million dollars to be set aside for three years to solve unsolved homicides and unsolved rapes in this state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>As you point out, the leading cause of death on death row is suicide or murder or natural causes, not execution. There are people who will oppose your ballot measure and say the problem with the death penalty in California is that it takes too long and we need to speed it up, not so that it's careless but so that it's more efficient. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Alarcon-Mitchell report and the \u003ca href=\"http://www.ccfaj.org/rr-dp-official.html\">report by the Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice\u003c/a> conducted a few years ago said that in order to fix -- if there is such a thing -- the death penalty, California would have to spend $100 million more per year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is really about choices. Do we have that money? You have to take it away from somewhere else. Taking police off the street makes us less safe. Ending programs for delinquent youth makes us less safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In other states where they have tried to improve or fix or hurry this along, they have found more innocent people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And in states that carry out executions, they have some of the highest crime rates in the nation compared to states that don't have the death penalty at all or California, where we haven't been executing people for very long.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why now? Has the public mood changed on this? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think the public is concerned about the cost. We've had two very good reports that detail how much we spend on the death penalty and the fact we've had only 13 executions in over 30 years and that there's so much litigation involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We've gone without an execution for six years; the costs continue to go up, so this is the right time for people to question how we should use our public safety dollars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any idea on how the governor will come out on this? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't know. He's publicly said he's opposed to the death penalty, so I believe he supports ending capital punishment. But I don't' know what he'll publicly say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Thinking about the different interest groups who could wage campaigns against this -- prison guards, district attorneys, police officer associations – what are you hearing from them?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far we haven't heard from those groups. But I think it's really important to note that we have more law enforcement in favor of ending capital punishment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have Gil Garcetti, the former Deputy District Attorney in Los Angeles County who fought very hard for many capital cases in that county, who now says it just doesn't work. In addition there are other police and corrections staff across the state who have signed onto our initiative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any sitting district attorneys? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far no sitting district attorneys. We know that there are some who don't believe the death penalty is an effective tool. There are very few counties that continue to utilize the death penalty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far this year, there have been fewer people sent to death row than at any point since the death penalty has been put on the books. 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It's very harmful to be involved in executions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You know that you participated in the planning and training of your staff to kill a human being -- and for what?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the end of every execution, someone on my staff would ask, \"did we make the world safer?\" We all knew the answer was no.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The individuals that I was involved in the execution of had been on death row for years. The one volunteer wanted to die because he was old and so many aches and pains -- he just wanted it over with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So you're executing people who are quite elderly, in most cases, or have been there so long and are so tired they just practically don't care anymore. And you know you haven't helped public safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That is really how we think of ourselves: as protecting the public. 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