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Their trial went all the way to the Supreme Court, and would eventually restore marriage equality to California. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This year, KQED invited Stier and Perry to watch unsealed tapes from the trial of their younger selves taking the stand for marriage equality, and to reflect on what it meant to be part of that fight all these years later. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Links:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966077/inside-the-trial-that-overturned-californias-same-sex-marriage-ban-proposition-8-mike-johnson-lgbtq-rights\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Inside the Trial That Overturned California’s Same-Sex Marriage Ban\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC7526943476\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, and welcome to the Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. In 2009. Sandy Stier and Kris Perry applied for a marriage license. The two had been living together with their children in Alameda County for years. Their license, however, was denied. That’s because just a year prior, California voters passed prop eight, banning gay marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Stier and Perry, a lesbian couple, would later become plaintiffs in a case that would go all the way up to the Supreme Court and restore marriage equality in California. It’s been ten years since then, and last month, KQED Scott Shafer and Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí invited Stier and Perry to KQED to watch their younger selves go on stand. To defend their right to marry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Policies that institutionalize unfairness. The group that’s unequal believes that they’re not equal. It’s powerful. Policy is powerful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, you’re going to hear from Stier and Perry in their own words, as they reflect back on their long battle for marriage equality and what it’s meant to them to be part of this monumental case all these years later. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>I am Kris Perry. I’m a plaintiff in the case that challenged proposition eight and was ruled on by the United States Supreme Court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>My name was Sandy Stier, and I was a plaintiff in Perry versus Schwarzenegger, which ended up being called Hollingsworth versus Perry in the United State Supreme Court. And that is the case that restored marriage equality to California. You know, before we went to the trial, we we were certainly both very anxious about it, but also, you know, kind of saying it’s going to be fine, you’re going to do great, you’re going to be good. And so we just tried to kind of hold each other up and and give each other a lot of support. And we were clenching hands before we went up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Why are you a plaintiff in this case?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>Well, I’m a plaintiff, as in this case, because I would like to get married, and I would like to marry the person that I choose, and that is Kris Perry. So I did not come out until much later in life. So when I was right out of college mirrors or receiver, I would move to California, got married to a man, got two kids and knew that something wasn’t working for me. I couldn’t fully understand that for quite some time. And I fell in love with Kris. That’s when I understood, first of all, the concept of falling in love, which until then, I don’t think I can wrap my head around until I actually experienced it for myself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In general terms, how did that relationship grow and what did what did it grow into?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Well, I remember the first time I met Sandy thinking she was maybe the sparkliest person I’d ever met. And, um, and I wanted to be her friend. And we were friends for a few years, and and our friendship became more and more, um, it became deeper and deeper over time and, and and then after a few years, I began to feel that I might be falling in love with her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>I really felt like the thunderbolt of a change for me. I was so struck by my feelings and the intensity of them. I felt like it just sort of took over my life. I felt like I just grabbed something and held on and did not let go of no matter what.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>So we were pretty clear early on that we wanted it to be long term, and that we had to take the steps to make that happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>And so I just felt like no matter what, I’m going to hold on to this because this person that I love, I’m crazy about, I will not let go of, I will not. No matter what.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You learn in some way that the mayor of the City of San Francisco had authorized the issuance of marriage licenses and the performance of marriage in San Francisco. Am I stating that correctly? Yes. Was that that was in the early part of 2004?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Yes. For us, it was February of 2004.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And what did you did you act on that information?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>I did, I, um, I, Sandy and I both were. We’re reading about it in the newspaper, and we talked about whether or not we would want to. I would go to San Francisco to have this, the marriage and then continue with our other plans. And that’s what we decided we want to do. So we made an appointment and we went to City Hall and we brought, um, all of the boys and my mom and we were married in City Hall. A few weeks after our August ceremony, the state Supreme Court ruled that the San Francisco weddings were invalid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Policy is powerful, and I you internalize that state. You internalize those policies and beliefs into your own psyche. And for me, I really believed I wasn’t as good as heterosexual married people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>It’s amazing. She’s a really strong person. Professionally, personally and just every way. But to see what that had done to her. To see what living with discrimination had done to her. The painful to know that about. To have to bear witness to that suffering. I had never felt like I wouldn’t have access to marriage. I always thought I would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>And then when I didn’t have access to marry the person I fell in love with, I was just outraged. I didn’t feel like there was something wrong with me. I thought there was something wrong with the society, with the world, with the process. I thought, this is weird. It’s an absurd thing to to be voted on. And I couldn’t believe, quite frankly, that the majority of my fellow Californians chose to discriminate against me and every other couple or person like me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>The fact that proposition eight had gone to the voters of California seemed so wrong that people in the in the state could vote on our what we consider to be a fundamental right. Felt like the wrong way to use a political process. And so we felt like maybe it belongs in the judiciary, because do you can you have the majority of the people decide on your rights? That’s not fair. It’s just fundamentally not fair. And as a protected class, we need to have protection. And so with that, like the judicial, you know, the judicial process is where you find protection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Did you feel that voters were being warned that they needed to protect their children from you?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Yes, I did, and I felt like. I was being used. That my the fact that I, you know, I am the way I am and I can’t change the way I am, was being mocked and made fun of and disparaged in a way that I like that really didn’t have any way to respond to it. I just had to know that people felt that way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>We didn’t make the decision to be plaintiffs without first checking in with the kids, and they each, in their own way, said, this is important. And of course, you should do it if we want you to succeed. And then finally, that we were in a position to do it. We were in a privileged position. We had a secure life, we had good jobs. We had children who were healthy. We had support of the family and friends. And it was we lived in a supportive community. It was it. We should do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What is your relationship with plaintiff Sandra Stier?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Um, well, Sandy is the woman I love.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>What happens is you take care of other people’s homophobia. Like, I don’t want to make you feel homophobic, so I’ll be less gay around you. There’s this weird, unspoken dynamic, like you kind of closet yourself. Anyway, so this we we get we gave all that up by being plaintiffs. So we were so obviously out and we cared so much that we weren’t able to play that role anymore. We were just going to be us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>I remember feeling very anxious and, um, scared, honestly not knowing how any of it would turn out, what the questions might be from the other side, how I would hold up if I would get emotional and break down a little bit, and how would I cope with that in the moment? So I was really projecting out about that, not doing a good job and and wanting to be strong. People were really the counting on us to deliver and there was a lot of pressure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>We did a lot of our trial preparation together in the same room, and that process was grueling. And also, I felt like I learned yet more about Kris and our experiences, and because we had a lot of the preparation together. I think we felt great empathy for each other, you know, for what we’ve gone through. That’s the same as what we’ve gone through. That’s quite different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>We spent quite a bit of time with the lawyers practicing the answers, but more importantly, thinking deeply about our experience as a couple that had been discriminated against. And what did it really mean, and how did it really impact us and our children? So it wasn’t so much the answers as just understanding ourselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Being a plaintiff in a case, trying to change the Constitution, is it a burden or is it something that, um, that’s easy for you, um, because of what it means? Tell us about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>It doesn’t feel like a burden. It just I feel like a little tiny person in this, this huge country that just. I just want my my rights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Part of this case was also intended to change public opinion. And that includes our families who live in conservative parts of the state or the country. And one thing we knew, no matter what the outcome of the trial was, was that the public was moving in our direction, that the polling was changing very rapidly, and that included our families. And in the short amount of time we could see them make the shift.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tell us what it means to you as a plaintiff in this case if you were to be successful. How would change your life?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>Well, I think it would change my life dramatically. Um, the first time somebody said to me, are you married? And I said, yes, I would think, oh, what? That feels good.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Today is a great day for American children and families. Sandy. And I want to say how happy we are not only to be able to return to California and finally get married, but to be able to say to the children in California, no matter where you live, no matter who you your parents are, no matter what family you’re in. You are equal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>It felt. I don’t want to say that, great cause that’s an understatement. Yep. It really did change our lives. I more that I think I thought it would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>And the depth of trust and the faith that you’re able to have because you’re not preoccupied with losing it, that you get to actually invest in it. The actual marriage, not in getting married, but being married. Wow. That’s just so different. And that that and I’m still feel grateful for it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>Words mean something. And I think that was part of the what we learned at trial. Words mean something. They have power. The word marriage means something. And if it didn’t mean something, we wouldn’t want it. And if it didn’t mean something, other people wouldn’t fight to try to keep us from having it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Kris Perry and Sandy Stier, two plaintiffs in the landmark lawsuit that overturned prop eight. In conversation with KQED, Scott Shafer and Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí This conversation was cut down and edited by producer Maria Esquinca. It was produced and scored by Adhiti Bandlamudi, who also added all the tape.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The rest of our podcast team here at KQED includes Jen Chien, our director of podcasts, Katie Sprenger, our podcast operations manager, Cesar Saldana, our podcast engagement producer, Maha Sanad, our podcast engagement intern, and Holly Kernan, our chief content officer. And I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra from me and the entire Bay team. Happy holidays y’all. 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Their trial went all the way to the Supreme Court, and would eventually restore marriage equality to California. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This year, KQED invited Stier and Perry to watch unsealed tapes from the trial of their younger selves taking the stand for marriage equality, and to reflect on what it meant to be part of that fight all these years later. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Links:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966077/inside-the-trial-that-overturned-californias-same-sex-marriage-ban-proposition-8-mike-johnson-lgbtq-rights\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Inside the Trial That Overturned California’s Same-Sex Marriage Ban\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC7526943476\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, and welcome to the Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. In 2009. Sandy Stier and Kris Perry applied for a marriage license. The two had been living together with their children in Alameda County for years. Their license, however, was denied. That’s because just a year prior, California voters passed prop eight, banning gay marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Stier and Perry, a lesbian couple, would later become plaintiffs in a case that would go all the way up to the Supreme Court and restore marriage equality in California. It’s been ten years since then, and last month, KQED Scott Shafer and Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí invited Stier and Perry to KQED to watch their younger selves go on stand. To defend their right to marry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Policies that institutionalize unfairness. The group that’s unequal believes that they’re not equal. It’s powerful. Policy is powerful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, you’re going to hear from Stier and Perry in their own words, as they reflect back on their long battle for marriage equality and what it’s meant to them to be part of this monumental case all these years later. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>I am Kris Perry. I’m a plaintiff in the case that challenged proposition eight and was ruled on by the United States Supreme Court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>My name was Sandy Stier, and I was a plaintiff in Perry versus Schwarzenegger, which ended up being called Hollingsworth versus Perry in the United State Supreme Court. And that is the case that restored marriage equality to California. You know, before we went to the trial, we we were certainly both very anxious about it, but also, you know, kind of saying it’s going to be fine, you’re going to do great, you’re going to be good. And so we just tried to kind of hold each other up and and give each other a lot of support. And we were clenching hands before we went up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Why are you a plaintiff in this case?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>Well, I’m a plaintiff, as in this case, because I would like to get married, and I would like to marry the person that I choose, and that is Kris Perry. So I did not come out until much later in life. So when I was right out of college mirrors or receiver, I would move to California, got married to a man, got two kids and knew that something wasn’t working for me. I couldn’t fully understand that for quite some time. And I fell in love with Kris. That’s when I understood, first of all, the concept of falling in love, which until then, I don’t think I can wrap my head around until I actually experienced it for myself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In general terms, how did that relationship grow and what did what did it grow into?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Well, I remember the first time I met Sandy thinking she was maybe the sparkliest person I’d ever met. And, um, and I wanted to be her friend. And we were friends for a few years, and and our friendship became more and more, um, it became deeper and deeper over time and, and and then after a few years, I began to feel that I might be falling in love with her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>I really felt like the thunderbolt of a change for me. I was so struck by my feelings and the intensity of them. I felt like it just sort of took over my life. I felt like I just grabbed something and held on and did not let go of no matter what.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>So we were pretty clear early on that we wanted it to be long term, and that we had to take the steps to make that happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>And so I just felt like no matter what, I’m going to hold on to this because this person that I love, I’m crazy about, I will not let go of, I will not. No matter what.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You learn in some way that the mayor of the City of San Francisco had authorized the issuance of marriage licenses and the performance of marriage in San Francisco. Am I stating that correctly? Yes. Was that that was in the early part of 2004?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Yes. For us, it was February of 2004.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And what did you did you act on that information?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>I did, I, um, I, Sandy and I both were. We’re reading about it in the newspaper, and we talked about whether or not we would want to. I would go to San Francisco to have this, the marriage and then continue with our other plans. And that’s what we decided we want to do. So we made an appointment and we went to City Hall and we brought, um, all of the boys and my mom and we were married in City Hall. A few weeks after our August ceremony, the state Supreme Court ruled that the San Francisco weddings were invalid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Policy is powerful, and I you internalize that state. You internalize those policies and beliefs into your own psyche. And for me, I really believed I wasn’t as good as heterosexual married people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>It’s amazing. She’s a really strong person. Professionally, personally and just every way. But to see what that had done to her. To see what living with discrimination had done to her. The painful to know that about. To have to bear witness to that suffering. I had never felt like I wouldn’t have access to marriage. I always thought I would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>And then when I didn’t have access to marry the person I fell in love with, I was just outraged. I didn’t feel like there was something wrong with me. I thought there was something wrong with the society, with the world, with the process. I thought, this is weird. It’s an absurd thing to to be voted on. And I couldn’t believe, quite frankly, that the majority of my fellow Californians chose to discriminate against me and every other couple or person like me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>The fact that proposition eight had gone to the voters of California seemed so wrong that people in the in the state could vote on our what we consider to be a fundamental right. Felt like the wrong way to use a political process. And so we felt like maybe it belongs in the judiciary, because do you can you have the majority of the people decide on your rights? That’s not fair. It’s just fundamentally not fair. And as a protected class, we need to have protection. And so with that, like the judicial, you know, the judicial process is where you find protection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Did you feel that voters were being warned that they needed to protect their children from you?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Yes, I did, and I felt like. I was being used. That my the fact that I, you know, I am the way I am and I can’t change the way I am, was being mocked and made fun of and disparaged in a way that I like that really didn’t have any way to respond to it. I just had to know that people felt that way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>We didn’t make the decision to be plaintiffs without first checking in with the kids, and they each, in their own way, said, this is important. And of course, you should do it if we want you to succeed. And then finally, that we were in a position to do it. We were in a privileged position. We had a secure life, we had good jobs. We had children who were healthy. We had support of the family and friends. And it was we lived in a supportive community. It was it. We should do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What is your relationship with plaintiff Sandra Stier?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Um, well, Sandy is the woman I love.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>What happens is you take care of other people’s homophobia. Like, I don’t want to make you feel homophobic, so I’ll be less gay around you. There’s this weird, unspoken dynamic, like you kind of closet yourself. Anyway, so this we we get we gave all that up by being plaintiffs. So we were so obviously out and we cared so much that we weren’t able to play that role anymore. We were just going to be us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>I remember feeling very anxious and, um, scared, honestly not knowing how any of it would turn out, what the questions might be from the other side, how I would hold up if I would get emotional and break down a little bit, and how would I cope with that in the moment? So I was really projecting out about that, not doing a good job and and wanting to be strong. People were really the counting on us to deliver and there was a lot of pressure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>We did a lot of our trial preparation together in the same room, and that process was grueling. And also, I felt like I learned yet more about Kris and our experiences, and because we had a lot of the preparation together. I think we felt great empathy for each other, you know, for what we’ve gone through. That’s the same as what we’ve gone through. That’s quite different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>We spent quite a bit of time with the lawyers practicing the answers, but more importantly, thinking deeply about our experience as a couple that had been discriminated against. And what did it really mean, and how did it really impact us and our children? So it wasn’t so much the answers as just understanding ourselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Being a plaintiff in a case, trying to change the Constitution, is it a burden or is it something that, um, that’s easy for you, um, because of what it means? Tell us about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>It doesn’t feel like a burden. It just I feel like a little tiny person in this, this huge country that just. I just want my my rights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Part of this case was also intended to change public opinion. And that includes our families who live in conservative parts of the state or the country. And one thing we knew, no matter what the outcome of the trial was, was that the public was moving in our direction, that the polling was changing very rapidly, and that included our families. And in the short amount of time we could see them make the shift.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tell us what it means to you as a plaintiff in this case if you were to be successful. How would change your life?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>Well, I think it would change my life dramatically. Um, the first time somebody said to me, are you married? And I said, yes, I would think, oh, what? That feels good.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>Today is a great day for American children and families. Sandy. And I want to say how happy we are not only to be able to return to California and finally get married, but to be able to say to the children in California, no matter where you live, no matter who you your parents are, no matter what family you’re in. You are equal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>It felt. I don’t want to say that, great cause that’s an understatement. Yep. It really did change our lives. I more that I think I thought it would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kris Perry: \u003c/strong>And the depth of trust and the faith that you’re able to have because you’re not preoccupied with losing it, that you get to actually invest in it. The actual marriage, not in getting married, but being married. Wow. That’s just so different. And that that and I’m still feel grateful for it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sandy Stier: \u003c/strong>Words mean something. And I think that was part of the what we learned at trial. Words mean something. They have power. The word marriage means something. And if it didn’t mean something, we wouldn’t want it. And if it didn’t mean something, other people wouldn’t fight to try to keep us from having it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Kris Perry and Sandy Stier, two plaintiffs in the landmark lawsuit that overturned prop eight. In conversation with KQED, Scott Shafer and Carlos Cabrera-Lomelí This conversation was cut down and edited by producer Maria Esquinca. It was produced and scored by Adhiti Bandlamudi, who also added all the tape.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The rest of our podcast team here at KQED includes Jen Chien, our director of podcasts, Katie Sprenger, our podcast operations manager, Cesar Saldana, our podcast engagement producer, Maha Sanad, our podcast engagement intern, and Holly Kernan, our chief content officer. And I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra from me and the entire Bay team. Happy holidays y’all. Take care.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11970658/the-couple-who-helped-overturn-californias-same-sex-marriage-ban","authors":["8654","11802","11672"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_2626","news_126","news_22598"],"featImg":"news_101866","label":"source_news_11970658"},"news_11935150":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11935150","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11935150","score":null,"sort":[1670968738000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"biden-signs-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-americas-evolution-on-the-issue","title":"Biden Signs Respect for Marriage Act, Reflecting His and America's Evolution","publishDate":1670968738,"format":"standard","headTitle":"NPR | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":253,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cdiv class=\"storyMajorUpdateDate\">\u003cstrong>Updated December 13, 2022 at 4:36 PM ET\u003c/strong>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>President Biden on Tuesday signed into law a bipartisan bill that codifies same-sex and interracial marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a celebration on the South Lawn of the White House, the president spoke before a crowd of thousands gathered to celebrate the federal protections in the Respect for Marriage Act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The road to this moment has been long, but those who believe in equality and justice – you never gave up,\" Biden said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That long road is one Biden and the country have been on together. In 2004, just 42% of Americans said they were in support of same-sex marriage, according to \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/393197/same-sex-marriage-support-inches-new-high.aspx\">Gallup\u003c/a>. Today, it's 68%, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll to be released Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A dozen Republican senators (out of 50) and 39 Republican House members (out of 208) voted in favor of the legislation. That's far from a majority of Republicans, and it's reflective of the fact that rank-and-file Republican voters have lagged in support of same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2004, according to \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same-sex-marriage.aspx\">Gallup\u003c/a>, just 19% of Republicans were in favor. This week's NPR/PBS \u003cem>NewsHour\u003c/em>/Marist poll found now that number has more than doubled to 43%, but is still shy of a majority.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://apps.npr.org/datawrapper/AHzVD/4/?initialWidth=763&childId=responsive-embed-AHzVD&parentTitle=Same%20sex%20marriage%20bill%20will%20be%20signed%20into%20law%20by%20President%20Biden%20%3A%20NPR&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2022%2F12%2F13%2F1142331501%2Fbiden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution\" width=\"800\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A massive cultural shift on interracial marriage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When it comes to interracial marriage, the country has seen a wholesale change in public opinion and societal acceptance since 1967 when the Supreme Court ruled in Loving v. Virginia that prohibitions on interracial marriages were unconstitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1958, when \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx\">Gallup \u003c/a>first asked the question, just 4% said they approved of marriage between Black people and white people. Through the mid-'90s, Americans were still split on the subject.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But by the late-'90s and early 2000s, support for interracial marriage soared and, by 2021, approval hit a sky-high 94%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in 1967, just 3% of Americans were in interracial marriages, and that's up to at least 19%, as of last year, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/02/25/in-vice-president-kamala-harris-we-can-see-how-america-has-changed/\">Pew Research Center\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Biden's evolution on gay rights and same-sex marriage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>On almost no other issue has American public opinion shifted so dramatically so quickly. Biden, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/us/politics/biden-gay-rights-lgbt.html\">who has a grandchild who identifies as LGBTQ\u003c/a>, is included in that evolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1973, as a young senator, a gay rights activist confronted Biden about discriminatory federal regulations. Biden was taken aback.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My gut reaction is they are security risks,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/clip/53510488/the-morning-news/\">Biden said\u003c/a> of people who were gay in the military and Civil Service, \"but I'll admit, I haven't given this much thought.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1990s, like many other senators, Biden cast a series of votes that hurt the push for gay rights — from cutting off funding from public schools that were \"\u003ca href=\"https://webarchive.loc.gov/congressional-record/20160316130607/http:/thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r103:30:./temp/~r103NHPJaT::\">encouraging or supporting homosexuality as a positive lifestyle alternative\u003c/a>\" to the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. DOMA defined marriage as between a man and a woman and blocked federal recognition of same-sex marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, as president, Biden rebuked the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/03/28/1089221657/dont-say-gay-florida-desantis\">Florida law that constrains teachers talking about sexual orientation or gender identity\u003c/a>, calling it \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60326418\">hateful\u003c/a>\" and vowed to \"continue to fight for the protections and safety you deserve.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And his signing of the Respect for Marriage Act Tuesday repeals DOMA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's been quite the turnabout — and really it's come in the last 10 years.[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"same-sex-marriage\"]During the 2008 campaign, Biden, as former President Barack Obama's running mate, \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-gaymarriage/palin-biden-agree-on-gay-rights-at-debate-idUSTRE49212F20081003\">affirmed in a vice-presidential debate\u003c/a>, \"No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a delicate line the Democrats were walking then. In 2004, the issue of same-sex marriage was a lightning rod. Anti-same-sex marriage amendments were put on various state ballots. Then-President George W. Bush backed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, and white Christian evangelicals helped Bush win reelection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democrats had moved toward the half-measure of civil unions — giving legal rights to gay couples, but, largely because of the politics, were not ready to come out fully in support of \"marriage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All that changed with Biden in 2012.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As vice president, Biden got out ahead of President Obama in advocating for same-sex marriage — on national television.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marriage is about \"who do you love?\" Biden \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47311900\">said on NBC's \u003cem>Meet the Press\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"And will you be loyal to the person you love? ... whether they're marriages of lesbians or gay men or heterosexuals.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He continued: \"Look, I am vice president of the United States of America. The president sets the policy. I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://youtu.be/vyjYg3ZYFfQ\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With that, Biden endeared himself to the LGBTQI+ community and pushed Obama to publicly embrace the position.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Days later, Obama went on ABC's \u003cem>Good Morning America\u003c/em>, saying Biden's \"probably got a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity of spirit.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Would I have preferred to have done this in my own way, in my own terms, without there being a lot of notice to everybody?\" Obama \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obama-says-he-decided-to-support-same-sex-marriage-before-bidens-comments/2012/05/10/gIQALwLIFU_blog.html\">said\u003c/a>. \"Sure, but all's well that ends well.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biden's appearance came at something of an inflection point. This was in an election year and at a time when the country was still split on acceptance of same-sex marriage. Three days before he went on \u003cem>Meet the Press\u003c/em>, Gallup found 50% of Americans approved of same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afterward, support continued to rise. In June 2015, the Supreme Court ruled in the \u003cem>Obergefell \u003c/em>case that same-sex marriage is constitutionally protected by the 14th Amendment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That night, the White House \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417731614/obama-supreme-court-ruling-on-gay-marriage-a-victory-for-america\">lit up in rainbow colors\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What the bill does and doesn't do\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For advocates of the Respect for Marriage Act and the White House, Tuesday \u003cstrong>was \u003c/strong>a big day. But the bill's potential impact is limited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"No, I am not celebrating,\" Jim Obergefell, of the \u003cem>Obergefell \u003c/em>case that won the right to same-sex marriage, said on \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/11/30/senate-same-sex-marriage-bill-obergefell-sot-cnnt-vpx.cnn\">CNN\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This bill does not guarantee the right to marry. It makes it so that other states have to recognize same-sex marriages across state lines and that same-sex couples are entitled to the same federal benefits of any other married couple, like \u003ca href=\"https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-respect-for-marriage-act\">Social Security survivor benefits\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I will say I'm happy that at least something has been done, something that we will have to fall back on should the Supreme Court overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em> in the future, but this act, I find it curious that it's called the Respect for Marriage Act because this act does not respect LGBTQ+ community, our marriages, our relationships or our families.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's because, though the bill attempts to buttress key Supreme Court decisions, it does nothing to prevent same-sex marriages from becoming illegal again in states that might oppose them if the Supreme Court decides to overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The potential for its overturning was the impetus for passing the Respect for Marriage Act in the first place. In the \u003cem>Dobbs\u003c/em> decision, which overturned the right to an abortion earlier this year, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that the court \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abortion-roe-v-wade-decision-overturn\">should reconsider\u003c/a>\" decisions that legalized same-sex marriage and even protected the rights of married people to have access to contraception.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/08/1140808263/what-does-the-respect-for-marriage-act-do-the-answer-will-vary-by-state\">As NPR has reported\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"If the Court were to overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em>, the legality of same-sex marriages would revert to state law — and the majority of states would prohibit it. The Respect for Marriage Act wouldn't change that, but it requires all states to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states and federally recognizes these marriages.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/rfma-state-laws-20221130/?initialWidth=763&childId=responsive-embed-rfma-state-laws-20221130&parentTitle=Same%20sex%20marriage%20bill%20will%20be%20signed%20into%20law%20by%20President%20Biden%20%3A%20NPR&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2022%2F12%2F13%2F1142331501%2Fbiden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution\" width=\"800\" height=\"880\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But others see this as an important step to be celebrated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We saw after the \u003cem>Dobbs\u003c/em> decision, that in so many ways, too many of our rights are just one Supreme Court decision from being lost,\" Kelley Robinson, president of the Human Rights Campaign, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/12/1142320308/hrc-president-reacts-to-respect-for-marriage-act-ahead-of-signing\">told NPR's \u003cem>All Things Considered\u003c/em>\u003c/a> Monday. \"As a queer woman, as a queer woman of color in this country, who's married, I was worried that at some point that the courts would also invalidate my marriage. Now, I'm relieved because that's not the case. Congress has taken action to ensure that our marriages are valid, that our love will be respected.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Biden+signs+Respect+for+Marriage+Act%2C+reflecting+his+and+the+country%27s+evolution&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The bill signing comes after months of work on Capitol Hill and years of changing attitudes — even as the threat looms that the conservative Supreme Court could roll back same-sex marriage rights.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1670992376,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":true,"iframeSrcs":["https://apps.npr.org/datawrapper/AHzVD/4/","https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/rfma-state-laws-20221130/"],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":43,"wordCount":1436},"headData":{"title":"Biden Signs Respect for Marriage Act, Reflecting His and America's Evolution | KQED","description":"The bill signing comes after months of work on Capitol Hill and years of changing attitudes — even as the threat looms that the conservative Supreme Court could roll back same-sex marriage rights.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Biden Signs Respect for Marriage Act, Reflecting His and America's Evolution","datePublished":"2022-12-13T21:58:58.000Z","dateModified":"2022-12-14T04:32:56.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"nprImageCredit":"Chip Somodevilla","nprByline":"Domenico Montanaro","nprImageAgency":"Getty Images","nprStoryId":"1142331501","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=1142331501&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/13/1142331501/biden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution?ft=nprml&f=1142331501","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Tue, 13 Dec 2022 16:36:00 -0500","nprStoryDate":"Tue, 13 Dec 2022 05:01:05 -0500","nprLastModifiedDate":"Tue, 13 Dec 2022 16:36:09 -0500","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","path":"/news/11935150/biden-signs-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-americas-evolution-on-the-issue","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"storyMajorUpdateDate\">\u003cstrong>Updated December 13, 2022 at 4:36 PM ET\u003c/strong>\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>President Biden on Tuesday signed into law a bipartisan bill that codifies same-sex and interracial marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a celebration on the South Lawn of the White House, the president spoke before a crowd of thousands gathered to celebrate the federal protections in the Respect for Marriage Act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The road to this moment has been long, but those who believe in equality and justice – you never gave up,\" Biden said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That long road is one Biden and the country have been on together. In 2004, just 42% of Americans said they were in support of same-sex marriage, according to \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/393197/same-sex-marriage-support-inches-new-high.aspx\">Gallup\u003c/a>. Today, it's 68%, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll to be released Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A dozen Republican senators (out of 50) and 39 Republican House members (out of 208) voted in favor of the legislation. That's far from a majority of Republicans, and it's reflective of the fact that rank-and-file Republican voters have lagged in support of same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2004, according to \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same-sex-marriage.aspx\">Gallup\u003c/a>, just 19% of Republicans were in favor. This week's NPR/PBS \u003cem>NewsHour\u003c/em>/Marist poll found now that number has more than doubled to 43%, but is still shy of a majority.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://apps.npr.org/datawrapper/AHzVD/4/?initialWidth=763&childId=responsive-embed-AHzVD&parentTitle=Same%20sex%20marriage%20bill%20will%20be%20signed%20into%20law%20by%20President%20Biden%20%3A%20NPR&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2022%2F12%2F13%2F1142331501%2Fbiden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution\" width=\"800\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A massive cultural shift on interracial marriage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When it comes to interracial marriage, the country has seen a wholesale change in public opinion and societal acceptance since 1967 when the Supreme Court ruled in Loving v. Virginia that prohibitions on interracial marriages were unconstitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1958, when \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx\">Gallup \u003c/a>first asked the question, just 4% said they approved of marriage between Black people and white people. Through the mid-'90s, Americans were still split on the subject.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But by the late-'90s and early 2000s, support for interracial marriage soared and, by 2021, approval hit a sky-high 94%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in 1967, just 3% of Americans were in interracial marriages, and that's up to at least 19%, as of last year, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/02/25/in-vice-president-kamala-harris-we-can-see-how-america-has-changed/\">Pew Research Center\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Biden's evolution on gay rights and same-sex marriage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>On almost no other issue has American public opinion shifted so dramatically so quickly. Biden, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/us/politics/biden-gay-rights-lgbt.html\">who has a grandchild who identifies as LGBTQ\u003c/a>, is included in that evolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1973, as a young senator, a gay rights activist confronted Biden about discriminatory federal regulations. Biden was taken aback.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My gut reaction is they are security risks,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.newspapers.com/clip/53510488/the-morning-news/\">Biden said\u003c/a> of people who were gay in the military and Civil Service, \"but I'll admit, I haven't given this much thought.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1990s, like many other senators, Biden cast a series of votes that hurt the push for gay rights — from cutting off funding from public schools that were \"\u003ca href=\"https://webarchive.loc.gov/congressional-record/20160316130607/http:/thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r103:30:./temp/~r103NHPJaT::\">encouraging or supporting homosexuality as a positive lifestyle alternative\u003c/a>\" to the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. DOMA defined marriage as between a man and a woman and blocked federal recognition of same-sex marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, as president, Biden rebuked the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/03/28/1089221657/dont-say-gay-florida-desantis\">Florida law that constrains teachers talking about sexual orientation or gender identity\u003c/a>, calling it \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60326418\">hateful\u003c/a>\" and vowed to \"continue to fight for the protections and safety you deserve.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And his signing of the Respect for Marriage Act Tuesday repeals DOMA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's been quite the turnabout — and really it's come in the last 10 years.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"same-sex-marriage"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>During the 2008 campaign, Biden, as former President Barack Obama's running mate, \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-gaymarriage/palin-biden-agree-on-gay-rights-at-debate-idUSTRE49212F20081003\">affirmed in a vice-presidential debate\u003c/a>, \"No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a delicate line the Democrats were walking then. In 2004, the issue of same-sex marriage was a lightning rod. Anti-same-sex marriage amendments were put on various state ballots. Then-President George W. Bush backed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, and white Christian evangelicals helped Bush win reelection.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democrats had moved toward the half-measure of civil unions — giving legal rights to gay couples, but, largely because of the politics, were not ready to come out fully in support of \"marriage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All that changed with Biden in 2012.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As vice president, Biden got out ahead of President Obama in advocating for same-sex marriage — on national television.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Marriage is about \"who do you love?\" Biden \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47311900\">said on NBC's \u003cem>Meet the Press\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"And will you be loyal to the person you love? ... whether they're marriages of lesbians or gay men or heterosexuals.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He continued: \"Look, I am vice president of the United States of America. The president sets the policy. I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/vyjYg3ZYFfQ'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/vyjYg3ZYFfQ'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>With that, Biden endeared himself to the LGBTQI+ community and pushed Obama to publicly embrace the position.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Days later, Obama went on ABC's \u003cem>Good Morning America\u003c/em>, saying Biden's \"probably got a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity of spirit.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Would I have preferred to have done this in my own way, in my own terms, without there being a lot of notice to everybody?\" Obama \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obama-says-he-decided-to-support-same-sex-marriage-before-bidens-comments/2012/05/10/gIQALwLIFU_blog.html\">said\u003c/a>. \"Sure, but all's well that ends well.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biden's appearance came at something of an inflection point. This was in an election year and at a time when the country was still split on acceptance of same-sex marriage. Three days before he went on \u003cem>Meet the Press\u003c/em>, Gallup found 50% of Americans approved of same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afterward, support continued to rise. In June 2015, the Supreme Court ruled in the \u003cem>Obergefell \u003c/em>case that same-sex marriage is constitutionally protected by the 14th Amendment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That night, the White House \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417731614/obama-supreme-court-ruling-on-gay-marriage-a-victory-for-america\">lit up in rainbow colors\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What the bill does and doesn't do\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For advocates of the Respect for Marriage Act and the White House, Tuesday \u003cstrong>was \u003c/strong>a big day. But the bill's potential impact is limited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"No, I am not celebrating,\" Jim Obergefell, of the \u003cem>Obergefell \u003c/em>case that won the right to same-sex marriage, said on \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/11/30/senate-same-sex-marriage-bill-obergefell-sot-cnnt-vpx.cnn\">CNN\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This bill does not guarantee the right to marry. It makes it so that other states have to recognize same-sex marriages across state lines and that same-sex couples are entitled to the same federal benefits of any other married couple, like \u003ca href=\"https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-respect-for-marriage-act\">Social Security survivor benefits\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I will say I'm happy that at least something has been done, something that we will have to fall back on should the Supreme Court overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em> in the future, but this act, I find it curious that it's called the Respect for Marriage Act because this act does not respect LGBTQ+ community, our marriages, our relationships or our families.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's because, though the bill attempts to buttress key Supreme Court decisions, it does nothing to prevent same-sex marriages from becoming illegal again in states that might oppose them if the Supreme Court decides to overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The potential for its overturning was the impetus for passing the Respect for Marriage Act in the first place. In the \u003cem>Dobbs\u003c/em> decision, which overturned the right to an abortion earlier this year, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that the court \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abortion-roe-v-wade-decision-overturn\">should reconsider\u003c/a>\" decisions that legalized same-sex marriage and even protected the rights of married people to have access to contraception.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/08/1140808263/what-does-the-respect-for-marriage-act-do-the-answer-will-vary-by-state\">As NPR has reported\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"If the Court were to overturn \u003cem>Obergefell\u003c/em>, the legality of same-sex marriages would revert to state law — and the majority of states would prohibit it. The Respect for Marriage Act wouldn't change that, but it requires all states to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states and federally recognizes these marriages.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/rfma-state-laws-20221130/?initialWidth=763&childId=responsive-embed-rfma-state-laws-20221130&parentTitle=Same%20sex%20marriage%20bill%20will%20be%20signed%20into%20law%20by%20President%20Biden%20%3A%20NPR&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2022%2F12%2F13%2F1142331501%2Fbiden-to-sign-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-the-countrys-evolution\" width=\"800\" height=\"880\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But others see this as an important step to be celebrated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We saw after the \u003cem>Dobbs\u003c/em> decision, that in so many ways, too many of our rights are just one Supreme Court decision from being lost,\" Kelley Robinson, president of the Human Rights Campaign, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/12/12/1142320308/hrc-president-reacts-to-respect-for-marriage-act-ahead-of-signing\">told NPR's \u003cem>All Things Considered\u003c/em>\u003c/a> Monday. \"As a queer woman, as a queer woman of color in this country, who's married, I was worried that at some point that the courts would also invalidate my marriage. Now, I'm relieved because that's not the case. Congress has taken action to ensure that our marriages are valid, that our love will be respected.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Biden+signs+Respect+for+Marriage+Act%2C+reflecting+his+and+the+country%27s+evolution&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11935150/biden-signs-respect-for-marriage-act-reflecting-his-and-americas-evolution-on-the-issue","authors":["byline_news_11935150"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_20149","news_2626","news_32160","news_717","news_3877","news_932"],"affiliates":["news_253"],"featImg":"news_11935151","label":"news_253"},"news_11933522":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11933522","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11933522","score":null,"sort":[1669770006000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"senate-passes-landmark-bill-protecting-same-sex-marriage","title":"Senate Passes Landmark Bill Protecting Same-Sex Marriage","publishDate":1669770006,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>The U.S. Senate passed bipartisan legislation Tuesday to protect same-sex marriages, an extraordinary sign of \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/religion-relationships-gay-rights-marriage-a6d9a92c4a5cda6e4b977f516a9a71a7\">shifting national politics\u003c/a> on the issue and a measure of relief for the hundreds of thousands of same-sex couples who have married since the Supreme Court’s 2015 decision that legalized gay marriage nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill, which would ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are enshrined in federal law, was approved 61–36, including support from 12 Republicans. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, said the legislation was “a long time coming” and part of America’s “difficult but inexorable march towards greater equality.”[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Kelley Robinson, incoming president, Human Rights Campaign\"]'Our community really needs a win. We have been through a lot. As a queer person who is married, I feel a sense of relief right now. I know my family is safe.'[/pullquote]Democrats are moving quickly, while the party still holds the majority in both chambers of Congress, to send the bill to the House and then — they hope — to President Joe Biden’s desk. The bill has gained steady momentum since the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0\">Supreme Court’s June decision that overturned the federal right to an abortion\u003c/a>, a ruling that included a concurring opinion from Justice Clarence Thomas that suggested same-sex marriage could also come under threat. Bipartisan Senate negotiations got a kick-start this summer \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-race-and-ethnicity-gay-rights-marriage-social-issues-77ec6e2a60b5990ceaf7c396fee42016\">when 47 Republicans unexpectedly voted for a House bill\u003c/a> and gave supporters new optimism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The legislation would require states to recognize all marriages that were legal where they were performed, and protect current same-sex unions, if the Supreme Court's 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges decision were to be overturned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's a stunning bipartisan endorsement, and evidence of societal change, after years of bitter divisiveness on the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill would also protect interracial marriages by requiring states to recognize legal marriages regardless of “sex, race, ethnicity or national origin.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A new law protecting same-sex marriages would be a major victory for Democrats as they relinquish their two years of consolidated power in Washington, and a massive win for advocates who have been pushing for decades for federal legislation. It comes as the LGBTQ+ community has faced a string of violent attacks, including a \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/business-crime-shootings-colorado-springs-774c94125cbad7cf05af2c99b81d42cc\">shooting last weekend at a gay nightclub in Colorado\u003c/a> that killed five people and injured at least 17.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our community really needs a win. We have been through a lot,” said Kelley Robinson, incoming president of the Human Rights Campaign, which advocates on LGBTQ+ issues. “As a queer person who is married, I feel a sense of relief right now. I know my family is safe.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vote was personal for many senators, too. Schumer said on Tuesday that he was wearing the tie he wore at his daughter's wedding, which he called “one of the happiest moments of my life.” He also recalled the “harrowing conversation” he had with his daughter and her wife in September 2020 when they heard that liberal Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had passed away. “Could our right to marry be undone?” he said they asked him at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett replacing Ginsburg, the court has now overturned Roe v. Wade and the federal right to an abortion, stoking fears about Obergefell and other protected rights. But sentiment has shifted on same-sex marriage, with more than two-thirds of the public now in support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, Schumer said it was notable that the Senate was even having the debate after years of Republican opposition. “A decade ago, it would have strained all of our imaginations to envision both sides talking about protecting the rights of same-sex married couples,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Passage came after the Senate rejected three Republican amendments to protect the rights of religious institutions and other groups that still oppose such marriages. Supporters of the legislation argued those amendments were unnecessary because the bill had already been amended to clarify that it does not affect rights of private individuals or businesses that are currently enshrined in law. The bill would also make clear that a marriage is between two people, an effort to ward off some far-right criticism that the legislation could endorse polygamy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Republican Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who has been lobbying his fellow GOP senators to support the legislation for months, pointed to the number of religious groups supporting the bill, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some of those groups were part of negotiations on the bipartisan amendment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They see this as a step forward for religious freedom,” Tillis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The nearly 17 million-member, Utah-based faith said in a statement this month that church doctrine would continue to consider same-sex relationships to be against God’s commandments. Yet it said it would support rights for same-sex couples as long as they didn’t infringe upon the rights of religious groups to believe as they choose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most Republicans, however, still oppose the legislation, saying it is unnecessary and citing concerns about religious liberty. And some conservative groups stepped up opposition in recent weeks, lobbying Republican supporters to switch their votes.[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"same-sex-marriage\"]“As I and others have argued for years, marriage is the exclusive, lifelong, conjugal union between one man and one woman, and any departure from that design hurts the indispensable goal of having every child raised in a stable home by the mom and dad who conceived him,” Roger Severino, the Heritage Foundation's vice president of domestic policy, wrote in a recent blog post arguing against the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an effort to win the 10 Republican votes necessary to overcome a filibuster in the 50-50 Senate, Democrats delayed consideration until after the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-elections\">midterm elections\u003c/a>, hoping doing so would relieve political pressure on GOP senators who might be wavering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eventual support from 12 Republicans gave Democrats the votes they needed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along with Tillis, Maine Sen. 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She said that she accepts her church's beliefs that a marriage is between a man and a woman, but noted that the country was founded on the separation of church and state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We do well by taking this step, not embracing or validating each other’s devoutly held views, but by the simple act of tolerating them,” Lummis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The growing GOP support for the issue is a sharp contrast from even a decade ago, when many Republicans vocally opposed same-sex marriages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin, a Democrat who is the first openly gay senator and has been working on gay rights issues for almost four decades, said this month that the newfound openness from many Republicans on the subject reminds her “of the arc of the LBGTQ movement to begin with, in the early days when people weren’t out and people knew gay people by myths and stereotypes.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Baldwin, the lead Senate negotiator on the legislation, said that as more individuals and families have become visible, hearts and minds have changed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And slowly laws have followed,” she said. “It is history.”[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The bill, which would ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are enshrined in federal law, was approved 61–36, including support from 12 Republicans.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1669778409,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":25,"wordCount":1343},"headData":{"title":"Senate Passes Landmark Bill Protecting Same-Sex Marriage | KQED","description":"The bill, which would ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are enshrined in federal law, was approved 61–36, including support from 12 Republicans.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Senate Passes Landmark Bill Protecting Same-Sex Marriage","datePublished":"2022-11-30T01:00:06.000Z","dateModified":"2022-11-30T03:20:09.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11933522 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11933522","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/11/29/senate-passes-landmark-bill-protecting-same-sex-marriage/","disqusTitle":"Senate Passes Landmark Bill Protecting Same-Sex Marriage","nprByline":"Mary Clare Jalonick\u003cbr>Associated Press","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","path":"/news/11933522/senate-passes-landmark-bill-protecting-same-sex-marriage","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The U.S. Senate passed bipartisan legislation Tuesday to protect same-sex marriages, an extraordinary sign of \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/religion-relationships-gay-rights-marriage-a6d9a92c4a5cda6e4b977f516a9a71a7\">shifting national politics\u003c/a> on the issue and a measure of relief for the hundreds of thousands of same-sex couples who have married since the Supreme Court’s 2015 decision that legalized gay marriage nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill, which would ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are enshrined in federal law, was approved 61–36, including support from 12 Republicans. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, said the legislation was “a long time coming” and part of America’s “difficult but inexorable march towards greater equality.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'Our community really needs a win. We have been through a lot. As a queer person who is married, I feel a sense of relief right now. I know my family is safe.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Kelley Robinson, incoming president, Human Rights Campaign","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Democrats are moving quickly, while the party still holds the majority in both chambers of Congress, to send the bill to the House and then — they hope — to President Joe Biden’s desk. The bill has gained steady momentum since the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0\">Supreme Court’s June decision that overturned the federal right to an abortion\u003c/a>, a ruling that included a concurring opinion from Justice Clarence Thomas that suggested same-sex marriage could also come under threat. Bipartisan Senate negotiations got a kick-start this summer \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/abortion-race-and-ethnicity-gay-rights-marriage-social-issues-77ec6e2a60b5990ceaf7c396fee42016\">when 47 Republicans unexpectedly voted for a House bill\u003c/a> and gave supporters new optimism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The legislation would require states to recognize all marriages that were legal where they were performed, and protect current same-sex unions, if the Supreme Court's 2015 Obergefell v. 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We have been through a lot,” said Kelley Robinson, incoming president of the Human Rights Campaign, which advocates on LGBTQ+ issues. “As a queer person who is married, I feel a sense of relief right now. I know my family is safe.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vote was personal for many senators, too. Schumer said on Tuesday that he was wearing the tie he wore at his daughter's wedding, which he called “one of the happiest moments of my life.” He also recalled the “harrowing conversation” he had with his daughter and her wife in September 2020 when they heard that liberal Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had passed away. “Could our right to marry be undone?” he said they asked him at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett replacing Ginsburg, the court has now overturned Roe v. Wade and the federal right to an abortion, stoking fears about Obergefell and other protected rights. But sentiment has shifted on same-sex marriage, with more than two-thirds of the public now in support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, Schumer said it was notable that the Senate was even having the debate after years of Republican opposition. “A decade ago, it would have strained all of our imaginations to envision both sides talking about protecting the rights of same-sex married couples,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Passage came after the Senate rejected three Republican amendments to protect the rights of religious institutions and other groups that still oppose such marriages. Supporters of the legislation argued those amendments were unnecessary because the bill had already been amended to clarify that it does not affect rights of private individuals or businesses that are currently enshrined in law. The bill would also make clear that a marriage is between two people, an effort to ward off some far-right criticism that the legislation could endorse polygamy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Republican Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who has been lobbying his fellow GOP senators to support the legislation for months, pointed to the number of religious groups supporting the bill, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some of those groups were part of negotiations on the bipartisan amendment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They see this as a step forward for religious freedom,” Tillis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The nearly 17 million-member, Utah-based faith said in a statement this month that church doctrine would continue to consider same-sex relationships to be against God’s commandments. Yet it said it would support rights for same-sex couples as long as they didn’t infringe upon the rights of religious groups to believe as they choose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most Republicans, however, still oppose the legislation, saying it is unnecessary and citing concerns about religious liberty. And some conservative groups stepped up opposition in recent weeks, lobbying Republican supporters to switch their votes.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"same-sex-marriage"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“As I and others have argued for years, marriage is the exclusive, lifelong, conjugal union between one man and one woman, and any departure from that design hurts the indispensable goal of having every child raised in a stable home by the mom and dad who conceived him,” Roger Severino, the Heritage Foundation's vice president of domestic policy, wrote in a recent blog post arguing against the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an effort to win the 10 Republican votes necessary to overcome a filibuster in the 50-50 Senate, Democrats delayed consideration until after the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-elections\">midterm elections\u003c/a>, hoping doing so would relieve political pressure on GOP senators who might be wavering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eventual support from 12 Republicans gave Democrats the votes they needed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along with Tillis, Maine Sen. 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In this first installment, we’ll listen back to stories that showcase some of the ways the state has been a trailblazer. From passing first-in-the-nation climate change initiatives, to legalizing medical marijuana, to galvanizing the immigrants-right movement and marrying same-sex couples at San Francisco City Hall back in 2004, our state is often on the frontlines of progressive change. Host Sasha Khokha is joined by Scott Shafer, senior editor for KQED’s Politics and Government Desk and former host of The California Report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"We kick off our 25th anniversary celebration with a look back at some of California's most trailblazing legislation. 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That label given to same-sex couples in the 2015 policy was widely condemned by LGBTQ members and allies as being demeaning and hurtful to people who already struggle to find acceptance in the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The very positive policies announced this morning should help affected families,\" church leaders said in the statement. \"In addition, our members' efforts to show more understanding, compassion and love should increase respect and understanding among all people of goodwill. We want to reduce the hate and contention so common today.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The faith that counts 16 million members worldwide did not apologize for putting the previous policy in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Troy Williams with the LGBT-advocacy group Equality Utah called the announcement a big step forward for the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Clearly this is a great development for the church,\" he said. \"I think this will go a long way toward healing Latter-day Saint families that have LGBT members.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Erika Munson, co-founder of the group Mormons Building Bridges that advocates for LGBTQ members of the faith, said there's a \"great feeling of being heard\" because the change came after an outcry from church members, including a public mass resignation by several hundred people shortly after it was announced.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We saw the church correct a mistake in record time,\" Munson said. \"Usually these things take maybe 100 years or more.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But emotional trauma caused by the policy still lingers, said Lisa Dame, a member of a mothers group called \"Mama Dragons\" that advocates for parents with LGBTQ members of the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dame said the policy did not affect large numbers of church members, but carried an implicit unwelcoming message. She is a heterosexual Mormon who has five children, including a 33-year-old daughter who is a lesbian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Especially in the LGBTQ community that are Mormon, it was like a bomb had gone off,\" Dame said. \"There would have been so much more healing to have had an apology that acknowledged the damage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change marks the biggest move yet by church President Russell M. Nelson, who became the leader of the faith in January 2018 and has made a series of changes to how the church functions since taking over, including a campaign to eradicate well-known nicknames for the faith and severing the faith's longstanding ties with the Boy Scouts of America.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The announcement came two days before Saturday's twice-yearly church conference in Salt Lake City. It was unknown if church leaders will speak more about the changes during the two-day conference, where church leaders give speeches about spirituality and sometimes unveil new church initiatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move marks a reset for the faith on LGBTQ issues, undoing the one major detour from a decade-long path by the faith to carve out a more open and compassionate position on LGBTQ issues while sticking to doctrinal opposition of gay marriage and intimacy between people in same-sex relationships, said, Patrick Mason, a religion professor at Claremont Graduate University in California who studies the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That policy always seemed out of step,\" Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The policy triggered displeasure and protests from liberal and conservative members alike and hurt the church's image from within, Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That struck a nerve with people, even with longtime, faithful otherwise conservative and orthodox members,\" Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change announced Thursday shows that church leaders \"are in fact responsive to people's concerns,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside tag='gay-rights' label='KQED coverage of LGBTQ rights']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Faith leaders had previously explained that the 2015 rules were designed to protect kids by not putting them in a potential tug-of-war between the beliefs of same-sex couples raising them and teachings and activities at church.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nelson, then a member of a governing body that helps the president lead the church, defended the policy in a 2016 speech in which he said a revelation received by then-President Thomas S. Monson and other leaders gave them \"spiritual confirmation\" that the rules were the right thing to do after many states legalized gay marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Church leaders said in the statement that the change reversing the 2015 decisions was made after \"fervent, united prayer to understand the will of the Lord on these matters.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The speed at which church leaders and Nelson in particular changed course on this topic was rare and surprising, said Matthew Bowman, an associate professor of history at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas, who studies the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It seems to indicate that ultimately they decided it was doing more harm than good,\" Bowman said.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The faith, widely known as the Mormon church, said it is not changing its doctrinal opposition to gay marriage and still considers same-sex relationships to be a \"serious transgression.\"","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1554410316,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":29,"wordCount":944},"headData":{"title":"Mormons Repeal Ban on Baptisms for Children of Gay Parents | KQED","description":"The faith, widely known as the Mormon church, said it is not changing its doctrinal opposition to gay marriage and still considers same-sex relationships to be a "serious transgression."","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Mormons Repeal Ban on Baptisms for Children of Gay Parents","datePublished":"2019-04-04T20:38:36.000Z","dateModified":"2019-04-04T20:38:36.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11737919 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11737919","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2019/04/04/mormons-repeal-ban-on-baptisms-for-children-of-gay-parents/","disqusTitle":"Mormons Repeal Ban on Baptisms for Children of Gay Parents","source":"The Associated Press","nprByline":"Brady McCombs and Lindsay Whitehurst","path":"/news/11737919/mormons-repeal-ban-on-baptisms-for-children-of-gay-parents","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Thursday repealed rules banning baptisms for children of gay parents and making gay marriage a sin eligible for expulsion — marking a reversal of policies condemned as jarring detours from a push by the faith to be more compassionate about LGBTQ issues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 2015 rules that were approved by global church leaders had prohibited baptisms for children living with gay parents until the children turned 18 and disavowed same-sex relationships.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With the change, children of gay parents can now be baptized as long as their parents approve the baptisms and acknowledge that the children will be taught church doctrine, the church said in a statement from its highest leadership group called the First Presidency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The faith, widely known as the Mormon church, said in a statement that it is not changing its doctrinal opposition to gay marriage and still considers same-sex relationships to be a \"serious transgression.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But people in same-sex relationships will no longer be considered \"apostates\" who can be kicked out of the religion, the statement said. That label given to same-sex couples in the 2015 policy was widely condemned by LGBTQ members and allies as being demeaning and hurtful to people who already struggle to find acceptance in the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The very positive policies announced this morning should help affected families,\" church leaders said in the statement. \"In addition, our members' efforts to show more understanding, compassion and love should increase respect and understanding among all people of goodwill. We want to reduce the hate and contention so common today.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The faith that counts 16 million members worldwide did not apologize for putting the previous policy in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Troy Williams with the LGBT-advocacy group Equality Utah called the announcement a big step forward for the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Clearly this is a great development for the church,\" he said. \"I think this will go a long way toward healing Latter-day Saint families that have LGBT members.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Erika Munson, co-founder of the group Mormons Building Bridges that advocates for LGBTQ members of the faith, said there's a \"great feeling of being heard\" because the change came after an outcry from church members, including a public mass resignation by several hundred people shortly after it was announced.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We saw the church correct a mistake in record time,\" Munson said. \"Usually these things take maybe 100 years or more.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But emotional trauma caused by the policy still lingers, said Lisa Dame, a member of a mothers group called \"Mama Dragons\" that advocates for parents with LGBTQ members of the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dame said the policy did not affect large numbers of church members, but carried an implicit unwelcoming message. She is a heterosexual Mormon who has five children, including a 33-year-old daughter who is a lesbian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Especially in the LGBTQ community that are Mormon, it was like a bomb had gone off,\" Dame said. \"There would have been so much more healing to have had an apology that acknowledged the damage.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change marks the biggest move yet by church President Russell M. Nelson, who became the leader of the faith in January 2018 and has made a series of changes to how the church functions since taking over, including a campaign to eradicate well-known nicknames for the faith and severing the faith's longstanding ties with the Boy Scouts of America.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The announcement came two days before Saturday's twice-yearly church conference in Salt Lake City. It was unknown if church leaders will speak more about the changes during the two-day conference, where church leaders give speeches about spirituality and sometimes unveil new church initiatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move marks a reset for the faith on LGBTQ issues, undoing the one major detour from a decade-long path by the faith to carve out a more open and compassionate position on LGBTQ issues while sticking to doctrinal opposition of gay marriage and intimacy between people in same-sex relationships, said, Patrick Mason, a religion professor at Claremont Graduate University in California who studies the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That policy always seemed out of step,\" Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The policy triggered displeasure and protests from liberal and conservative members alike and hurt the church's image from within, Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That struck a nerve with people, even with longtime, faithful otherwise conservative and orthodox members,\" Mason said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change announced Thursday shows that church leaders \"are in fact responsive to people's concerns,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"gay-rights","label":"KQED coverage of LGBTQ rights "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Faith leaders had previously explained that the 2015 rules were designed to protect kids by not putting them in a potential tug-of-war between the beliefs of same-sex couples raising them and teachings and activities at church.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nelson, then a member of a governing body that helps the president lead the church, defended the policy in a 2016 speech in which he said a revelation received by then-President Thomas S. Monson and other leaders gave them \"spiritual confirmation\" that the rules were the right thing to do after many states legalized gay marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Church leaders said in the statement that the change reversing the 2015 decisions was made after \"fervent, united prayer to understand the will of the Lord on these matters.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The speed at which church leaders and Nelson in particular changed course on this topic was rare and surprising, said Matthew Bowman, an associate professor of history at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas, who studies the faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It seems to indicate that ultimately they decided it was doing more harm than good,\" Bowman said.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11737919/mormons-repeal-ban-on-baptisms-for-children-of-gay-parents","authors":["byline_news_11737919"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_2638","news_2626","news_5438","news_19345","news_322"],"featImg":"news_11737928","label":"source_news_11737919"},"news_11672343":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11672343","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11672343","score":null,"sort":[1528125383000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"in-narrow-decision-supreme-court-decides-in-favor-of-baker-over-same-sex-couple","title":"In Narrow Ruling, Supreme Court Decides in Favor of Baker Over Same-Sex Couple","publishDate":1528125383,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>The U.S. Supreme Court handed down \u003ca href=\"https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf\">a narrow ruling\u003c/a> on the question of whether business owners can refuse services to gay individuals based on their religious objections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a case brought by a Colorado baker, the court ruled by a 7-2 vote that he did not get a fair hearing on his complaint because the Colorado Civil Rights Commission showed hostility to religion and religious viewpoints in its treatment of his case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Writing for the majority, Justice Anthony Kennedy said that while it is unexceptional that Colorado law \"can protect gay persons in acquiring products and services on the same terms and conditions that are offered to other members of the public, the law must be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kennedy's opinion cited several examples of what it called \"a clear and impermissible hostility toward the sincere religious beliefs\" expressed by the baker, Jack Phillips.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As the record shows, some of the commissioners at the Commission’s formal, public hearings endorsed the view that religious beliefs cannot legitimately be carried into the public sphere or commercial domain, disparaged Phillips’ faith as despicable and\u003cbr>\ncharacterized it as merely rhetorical, and compared his invocation of his sincerely held religious beliefs to defenses of slavery and the Holocaust,\" the court said. \"No commissioners objected to the comments.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court also said that the Colorado Civil Rights Division, responsible for enforcing the state's anti-discrimination laws, also showed hostility to Phillips' beliefs because of its inconsistency in applying the law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The commission ruled against Phillips in part on the theory that any message on the requested wedding cake would be attributed to the customer, not to the baker,\" the court said. \"Yet the division did not address this point in any of the cases involving requests for cakes depicting anti-gay marriage symbolism.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the opinion's sharp criticism of the Colorado state agencies' handling of the wedding-cake dispute, Kennedy's opinion makes it clear that Monday's ruling is a narrow one -- applying only to the present case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The outcome of cases like this in other circumstances must await further elaboration in the courts, all in the context of recognizing that these disputes must be resolved with tolerance, without undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs, and without subjecting gay persons to indignities when they seek goods and services in an open market,\" the opinion concluded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Justices Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented. The court's four most conservative justices, including Chief Justice John Roberts, concurred with the decision, offering different rationales for the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Every Supreme Court term, there is at least one case that gets people's blood up. A case on which just about everyone has an opinion, often a ferocious opinion. This is one of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This case began when Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins were organizing a wedding reception for themselves in Lakewood, Colorado, and were referred by their wedding planner to the Masterpiece Cakeshop, known in particular for its wedding cakes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Mullins, along with Craig and his mother, arrived at the shop, bakery owner Jack Phillips greeted them politely, but, as soon as he realized who the wedding cake was for, Phillips instantly knew this was \"not a cake that I can make.\" And he informed them that he did not make cakes for same-sex weddings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Phillips believes that same-sex marriages are sinful, that marriage is to be between a man and a woman. \"I don't believe that Jesus would have made a cake if he had been a baker,\" he said on ABC's \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>. \"I'm not judging these two gay men,\" he continued, \"I'm just trying to preserve my right as an artist to decide which artistic endeavors I'm going to do and which ones I'm not.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That, however, was not how Charlie Craig felt. \"Man, it was just really humiliating,\" Craig said, noting that he was particularly embarrassed for this to have happened in front of his mother.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the couple would soon learn, Colorado, like most states, has a state anti-discrimination law for businesses that are open to the public. Colorado bars discrimination based on race, religion, gender and sexual orientation. So Mullins and Craig filed a complaint with the state Commission on Civil Rights, which ruled in their favor, as did the state Supreme Court. The baker, Jack Phillips, appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For a half-century, the high court has upheld public accommodations laws against challenges brought by people who claim that their sincerely held beliefs — religious and otherwise — prevent them from serving customers on an equal basis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2018 NPR. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=In+Narrow+Decision%2C+Supreme+Court+Decides+In+Favor+Of+Baker+Over+Same-Sex+Couple&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Justices rule 7-2 that Colorado civil rights agencies showed impermissible hostility toward baker's 'sincere religious beliefs.'","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1528146156,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":19,"wordCount":797},"headData":{"title":"In Narrow Ruling, Supreme Court Decides in Favor of Baker Over Same-Sex Couple | KQED","description":"Justices rule 7-2 that Colorado civil rights agencies showed impermissible hostility toward baker's 'sincere religious 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This is one of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This case began when Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins were organizing a wedding reception for themselves in Lakewood, Colorado, and were referred by their wedding planner to the Masterpiece Cakeshop, known in particular for its wedding cakes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Mullins, along with Craig and his mother, arrived at the shop, bakery owner Jack Phillips greeted them politely, but, as soon as he realized who the wedding cake was for, Phillips instantly knew this was \"not a cake that I can make.\" And he informed them that he did not make cakes for same-sex weddings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Phillips believes that same-sex marriages are sinful, that marriage is to be between a man and a woman. \"I don't believe that Jesus would have made a cake if he had been a baker,\" he said on ABC's \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>. \"I'm not judging these two gay men,\" he continued, \"I'm just trying to preserve my right as an artist to decide which artistic endeavors I'm going to do and which ones I'm not.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That, however, was not how Charlie Craig felt. \"Man, it was just really humiliating,\" Craig said, noting that he was particularly embarrassed for this to have happened in front of his mother.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the couple would soon learn, Colorado, like most states, has a state anti-discrimination law for businesses that are open to the public. 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To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=In+Narrow+Decision%2C+Supreme+Court+Decides+In+Favor+Of+Baker+Over+Same-Sex+Couple&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11672343/in-narrow-decision-supreme-court-decides-in-favor-of-baker-over-same-sex-couple","authors":["byline_news_11672343"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8"],"tags":["news_4750","news_2626","news_1172"],"featImg":"news_11672344","label":"news_72"},"news_10578454":{"type":"posts","id":"news_10578454","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"10578454","score":null,"sort":[1435351460000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"thats-almost-a-wrap-california-politics-podcast","title":"That's (Almost) A Wrap: California Politics Podcast","publishDate":1435351460,"format":"audio","headTitle":"FaultLines | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":7051,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>For some long-running political and policy storylines in California, important -- and close to final -- chapters were written this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Our podcast tackles two of them: Gov. Jerry Brown quietly signing the new state budget for the fiscal year that begins at month's end, and what's likely the last big legislative debate over Senate Bill 277 and its erasure of most exemptions from vaccines for California schoolchildren.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED News' Marisa Lagos and I also take a brief look at the California connections, and impact, of Friday's historic U.S. Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A final state budget, the vaccine bill nears the governor's desk and thoughts on same-sex marriage.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1435384745,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":5,"wordCount":101},"headData":{"title":"That's (Almost) A Wrap: California Politics Podcast | KQED","description":"A final state budget, the vaccine bill nears the governor's desk and thoughts on same-sex marriage.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"That's (Almost) A Wrap: California Politics Podcast","datePublished":"2015-06-26T20:44:20.000Z","dateModified":"2015-06-27T05:59:05.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"10578454 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=10578454","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/06/26/thats-almost-a-wrap-california-politics-podcast/","disqusTitle":"That's (Almost) A Wrap: California Politics Podcast","audioUrl":"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/mp3splice/radio/RDnews/2015/06/PolPodcastJune26.mp3","customPermalink":"2015/06/26/that-is-almost-a-wrap-kqed-california-politics-podcast-state-budget-vaccine-bill-gay-marriage/","path":"/news/10578454/thats-almost-a-wrap-california-politics-podcast","audioDuration":null,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>For some long-running political and policy storylines in California, important -- and close to final -- chapters were written this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Our podcast tackles two of them: Gov. 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Kennedy said Wednesday afternoon that he is temporarily putting on hold same-sex marriage in Idaho, where state officials have asked for the delay. Officials in Nevada didn't request a stay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kennedy's orders were the latest twist in the national drama unfolding as more states see same-sex unions made legal and others continue to fight such a change, leaving many couples in limbo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The news of Kennedy's initial stay in Idaho, delivered at 8:01 a.m. to about 10 gay couples and dozens of their supporters, left a crowded room in a Boise clerk's office in silence, except for a small child asking, \"Why?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amber Beierle, one of the eight women who sued Idaho over the gay marriage ban, had hoped to marry her partner, Rachael. They arrived at the courthouse before it opened at 8 a.m.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We were past the metal detectors, we were just a few feet away from the clerk and then our attorney was handed a one-page document,\" Beierle said. \"Apparently it was Justice Kennedy telling us no.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said the hardest part was calling her mom to tell her she wasn't going to be able to get married after all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rachael Beierle, who has had her last name legally changed, said the room was filled with emotions, but it was even more difficult listening to the children ask their parents what was going on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"To hear a 4-year-old ask, 'Why, Mommy? Why can't you get married?'\" she said. \"We're asking the same questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There has been a flurry of legal activity over gay marriage this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court refused an appeal, which effectively made gay marriage legal in 30 states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then Tuesday, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals followed the Supreme Court's action with a ruling declaring that gay couples' equal protection rights were violated by the same-sex-marriage bans in both states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Idaho Gov. C.L. \"Butch\" Otter said in a statement he was \"pleased\" with Justice Kennedy's early morning stay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I intend to be faithful to my oath of office and keep working to protect the Idaho Constitution and the mandate of Idaho voters in support of traditional marriage,\" Otter said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Otter and Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden filed emergency motions early Wednesday morning in an effort to delay Tuesday's ruling that declared gay marriage legal in Idaho and Nevada. Kennedy's order came just over an hour after the motion was filed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's unclear just how long the U.S. Supreme Court will keep the Idaho stay in effect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The next thing that is sure to happen is that the plaintiffs in this case will file their opposition to the stay, and then Justice Kennedy — probably sometime on Friday — will issue an opinion on whether the stay should be continued,\" said Shaakirrah Sanders, an associate law professor with the University of Idaho's College of Law in Boise.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 9th U.S. Circuit's decision to make its Tuesday ruling effective immediately was unusual, Sanders said, because it removed the procedural grace period that parties to a case normally have to appeal. The stay from Kennedy could be less about wanting to consider the results of the case and more about reminding the 9th Circuit that it shouldn't skirt the rules, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Officials at Lambda Legal, the gay rights advocacy organization that argued the Nevada case on behalf of eight same-sex couples, noted only Idaho sought the stay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jon Davidson, the group's legal director, had called for the nation's highest court to clarify whether Nevada can issue marriage licenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Pierceall reported from Las Vegas. Associated Press reporters Ken Ritter and Michelle Rindels in Las Vegas, Rebecca Boone in Boise and Paul Elias in San Francisco contributed to this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Justice Kennedy grants governor's request to stay lower court ruling. Nevada weddings allowed to proceed.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1435193589,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":708},"headData":{"title":"High Court Blocks Same-Sex Marriages in Idaho | KQED","description":"Justice Kennedy grants governor's request to stay lower court ruling. 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Kennedy said Wednesday afternoon that he is temporarily putting on hold same-sex marriage in Idaho, where state officials have asked for the delay. Officials in Nevada didn't request a stay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kennedy's orders were the latest twist in the national drama unfolding as more states see same-sex unions made legal and others continue to fight such a change, leaving many couples in limbo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The news of Kennedy's initial stay in Idaho, delivered at 8:01 a.m. to about 10 gay couples and dozens of their supporters, left a crowded room in a Boise clerk's office in silence, except for a small child asking, \"Why?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amber Beierle, one of the eight women who sued Idaho over the gay marriage ban, had hoped to marry her partner, Rachael. They arrived at the courthouse before it opened at 8 a.m.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We were past the metal detectors, we were just a few feet away from the clerk and then our attorney was handed a one-page document,\" Beierle said. \"Apparently it was Justice Kennedy telling us no.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said the hardest part was calling her mom to tell her she wasn't going to be able to get married after all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rachael Beierle, who has had her last name legally changed, said the room was filled with emotions, but it was even more difficult listening to the children ask their parents what was going on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"To hear a 4-year-old ask, 'Why, Mommy? Why can't you get married?'\" she said. \"We're asking the same questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There has been a flurry of legal activity over gay marriage this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court refused an appeal, which effectively made gay marriage legal in 30 states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then Tuesday, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals followed the Supreme Court's action with a ruling declaring that gay couples' equal protection rights were violated by the same-sex-marriage bans in both states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Idaho Gov. C.L. \"Butch\" Otter said in a statement he was \"pleased\" with Justice Kennedy's early morning stay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I intend to be faithful to my oath of office and keep working to protect the Idaho Constitution and the mandate of Idaho voters in support of traditional marriage,\" Otter said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Otter and Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden filed emergency motions early Wednesday morning in an effort to delay Tuesday's ruling that declared gay marriage legal in Idaho and Nevada. Kennedy's order came just over an hour after the motion was filed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's unclear just how long the U.S. Supreme Court will keep the Idaho stay in effect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The next thing that is sure to happen is that the plaintiffs in this case will file their opposition to the stay, and then Justice Kennedy — probably sometime on Friday — will issue an opinion on whether the stay should be continued,\" said Shaakirrah Sanders, an associate law professor with the University of Idaho's College of Law in Boise.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 9th U.S. Circuit's decision to make its Tuesday ruling effective immediately was unusual, Sanders said, because it removed the procedural grace period that parties to a case normally have to appeal. The stay from Kennedy could be less about wanting to consider the results of the case and more about reminding the 9th Circuit that it shouldn't skirt the rules, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Officials at Lambda Legal, the gay rights advocacy organization that argued the Nevada case on behalf of eight same-sex couples, noted only Idaho sought the stay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jon Davidson, the group's legal director, had called for the nation's highest court to clarify whether Nevada can issue marriage licenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Pierceall reported from Las Vegas. Associated Press reporters Ken Ritter and Michelle Rindels in Las Vegas, Rebecca Boone in Boise and Paul Elias in San Francisco contributed to this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/10343037/high-court-blocks-same-sex-marriages-in-idaho","authors":["byline_news_10343037"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188"],"tags":["news_2626","news_322","news_932"],"featImg":"news_10576032","label":"news_6944"},"news_93336":{"type":"posts","id":"news_93336","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"93336","score":null,"sort":[1365170404000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"san-francisco-archdiocese-withdraws-anti-same-sex-marriage-symbol","title":"San Francisco Archdiocese Withdraws 'Divisive' Same-Sex Marriage Symbol","publishDate":1365170404,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Math has never looked so political.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the Supreme Court hearings on the issue last week, many supporters of same-sex marriage posted \"=\" symbols in place of their profile pictures on Facebook and Twitter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The symbols, still in use on many Facebook and Twitter accounts, look like this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\u003cp>Day 2 at the Supreme Court. Lets keep momentum going. Keep your pics red &spread the word! \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/search/%23UnitedForMarriage\">#UnitedForMarriage\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"http://twitter.com/HRC/status/316894028174069760/photo/1\" href=\"http://t.co/eUlTlVKWX8\">twitter.com/HRC/status/316…\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— HumanRightsCampaign (@HRC) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/HRC/status/316894028174069760\">March 27, 2013\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Very quickly opponents responded with their own twists on the theme, and a few of these found their way onto the \u003ca href=\"http://www.change.org/petitions/the-roman-catholic-archdiocese-of-san-francisco-voluntarily-remove-your-disrespectful-mockeries-of-hrc-s-marriage-equality-logo?utm_campaign=action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition\" target=\"_blank\">Facebook page\u003c/a> of the Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco.\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone has been outspoken in his opposition to same-sex marriage. So the archdiocese social media expert, Edison Tapalla, re-posted a couple of symbols playing on the \"+\" symbol. Those went over without huge criticism. But when he tried \"÷,\" on March 26 he ignited a firestorm.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_93617\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/04/05/san-francisco-archdiocese-withdraws-anti-same-sex-marriage-symbol/division-symbol-wagda/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-93617\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/04/division-symbol-wagda-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"An image of the division symbol re-posted by Edison Tapalla (Courtesy of Donald Wagda)\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-93617\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An image of the division symbol re-posted by Edison Tapalla (Courtesy of Donald Wagda)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Same-sex advocates posted about 320 comments in a tone so harsh that Tapalla took down the post a couple of days later. (You can a screen shot of it on\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152670428690117&l=40b04ef2b7\" target=\"_blank\"> this Facebook page\u003c/a>.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It infuriated me,\" said Don Wagda, a Bay Area attorney. \"I thought it was highly disrespectful when they posted the division symbol. It was the most divisive of all.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wagda did everything he could to get the word out about the \"÷,\" including an \u003ca href=\"http://www.change.org/petitions/the-roman-catholic-archdiocese-of-san-francisco-voluntarily-remove-your-disrespectful-mockeries-of-hrc-s-marriage-equality-logo?utm_campaign=action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition\" target=\"_blank\">online petition\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Tapalla said critics like Wagda are misreading the symbol. It included a citation of a biblical passage, Luke \u003ca href=\"http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A51-53&version=KJV\">12:51\u003c/a>: \"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division...\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also in Tapalla's post was a link to an \u003ca href=\"http://www.catholic-sf.org/news_select.php&newsid=27&id=58007/https:/ns.php?newsid=6&id=60882\" target=\"_blank\">article\u003c/a> by the archdiocese spokesperson, George Wesolek, arguing that Catholics who do not accept the teachings of the church hierarchy (including on same-sex marriage) don't belong in the church.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what was all this meant to communicate?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tapalla said it was a comment on the sharp divisions around the issue of same-sex marriage. \"It was more commenting on how people are separated,\" he said. \"I wish that people could talk. I think we live in a world where mere disagreement is taken as hate. When you have such strong feelings on both sides, it's hard to come together and have a conversation.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_93525\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/04/05/san-francisco-archdiocese-withdraws-anti-same-sex-marriage-symbol/salvatore-cordileone-6/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-93525\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/04/Salvatore-Cordileone-200x300.jpg\" alt=\"Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone (Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone (Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It's especially hard to have meaningful dialogue on social media where comments are limited by length, he said. The reaction to his post just reinforced that view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wesolek, too, was taken aback by the reaction to the \"÷\" post. \"We were slammed with some very ugly messages,\" he said. \"It was obviously an organized attack. It's probably the same group that's been attacking us. They are very anti-Catholic and very bigoted.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Michael Cole-Goldschwartz, spokesperson for the \u003ca href=\"http://www.hrc.org/\">Human Rights Campaign, \u003c/a>said the group had not responded to the parodies of the \"=\" campaign that its marketing director, Anastasia Khoo, dreamed up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He noted the division symbol on the archdiocese Facebook page. \"Frankly, I thought it characterized the opposition,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're happy that our message got out and it's unfortunate that they're using this for their own anti-gay message. But it is what it is.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1365455673,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":21,"wordCount":571},"headData":{"title":"San Francisco Archdiocese Withdraws Anti-Same-Sex Marriage Symbol","description":"Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone has been outspoken in his opposition to same-sex marriage. So the archdiocese social media expert, Edison Tapalla, re-posted a couple of symbols playing on the "+" symbol. Those went over without huge criticism. But when he tried "÷," on March 26 he ignited a firestorm.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"San Francisco Archdiocese Withdraws 'Divisive' Same-Sex Marriage Symbol","datePublished":"2013-04-05T14:00:04.000Z","dateModified":"2013-04-08T21:14:33.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"93336 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=93336","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/04/05/san-francisco-archdiocese-withdraws-anti-same-sex-marriage-symbol/","disqusTitle":"San Francisco Archdiocese Withdraws 'Divisive' Same-Sex Marriage Symbol","path":"/news/93336/san-francisco-archdiocese-withdraws-anti-same-sex-marriage-symbol","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Math has never looked so political.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the Supreme Court hearings on the issue last week, many supporters of same-sex marriage posted \"=\" symbols in place of their profile pictures on Facebook and Twitter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The symbols, still in use on many Facebook and Twitter accounts, look like this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\u003cp>Day 2 at the Supreme Court. Lets keep momentum going. Keep your pics red &spread the word! \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/search/%23UnitedForMarriage\">#UnitedForMarriage\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"http://twitter.com/HRC/status/316894028174069760/photo/1\" href=\"http://t.co/eUlTlVKWX8\">twitter.com/HRC/status/316…\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— HumanRightsCampaign (@HRC) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/HRC/status/316894028174069760\">March 27, 2013\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Very quickly opponents responded with their own twists on the theme, and a few of these found their way onto the \u003ca href=\"http://www.change.org/petitions/the-roman-catholic-archdiocese-of-san-francisco-voluntarily-remove-your-disrespectful-mockeries-of-hrc-s-marriage-equality-logo?utm_campaign=action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition\" target=\"_blank\">Facebook page\u003c/a> of the Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco.\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone has been outspoken in his opposition to same-sex marriage. So the archdiocese social media expert, Edison Tapalla, re-posted a couple of symbols playing on the \"+\" symbol. Those went over without huge criticism. But when he tried \"÷,\" on March 26 he ignited a firestorm.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_93617\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/04/05/san-francisco-archdiocese-withdraws-anti-same-sex-marriage-symbol/division-symbol-wagda/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-93617\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/04/division-symbol-wagda-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"An image of the division symbol re-posted by Edison Tapalla (Courtesy of Donald Wagda)\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-93617\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An image of the division symbol re-posted by Edison Tapalla (Courtesy of Donald Wagda)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Same-sex advocates posted about 320 comments in a tone so harsh that Tapalla took down the post a couple of days later. (You can a screen shot of it on\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152670428690117&l=40b04ef2b7\" target=\"_blank\"> this Facebook page\u003c/a>.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It infuriated me,\" said Don Wagda, a Bay Area attorney. \"I thought it was highly disrespectful when they posted the division symbol. It was the most divisive of all.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wagda did everything he could to get the word out about the \"÷,\" including an \u003ca href=\"http://www.change.org/petitions/the-roman-catholic-archdiocese-of-san-francisco-voluntarily-remove-your-disrespectful-mockeries-of-hrc-s-marriage-equality-logo?utm_campaign=action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition\" target=\"_blank\">online petition\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Tapalla said critics like Wagda are misreading the symbol. It included a citation of a biblical passage, Luke \u003ca href=\"http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A51-53&version=KJV\">12:51\u003c/a>: \"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division...\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also in Tapalla's post was a link to an \u003ca href=\"http://www.catholic-sf.org/news_select.php&newsid=27&id=58007/https:/ns.php?newsid=6&id=60882\" target=\"_blank\">article\u003c/a> by the archdiocese spokesperson, George Wesolek, arguing that Catholics who do not accept the teachings of the church hierarchy (including on same-sex marriage) don't belong in the church.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what was all this meant to communicate?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tapalla said it was a comment on the sharp divisions around the issue of same-sex marriage. \"It was more commenting on how people are separated,\" he said. \"I wish that people could talk. I think we live in a world where mere disagreement is taken as hate. When you have such strong feelings on both sides, it's hard to come together and have a conversation.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_93525\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/04/05/san-francisco-archdiocese-withdraws-anti-same-sex-marriage-symbol/salvatore-cordileone-6/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-93525\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/04/Salvatore-Cordileone-200x300.jpg\" alt=\"Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone (Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone (Deborah Svoboda/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It's especially hard to have meaningful dialogue on social media where comments are limited by length, he said. The reaction to his post just reinforced that view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wesolek, too, was taken aback by the reaction to the \"÷\" post. \"We were slammed with some very ugly messages,\" he said. \"It was obviously an organized attack. It's probably the same group that's been attacking us. They are very anti-Catholic and very bigoted.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Michael Cole-Goldschwartz, spokesperson for the \u003ca href=\"http://www.hrc.org/\">Human Rights Campaign, \u003c/a>said the group had not responded to the parodies of the \"=\" campaign that its marketing director, Anastasia Khoo, dreamed up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He noted the division symbol on the archdiocese Facebook page. \"Frankly, I thought it characterized the opposition,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're happy that our message got out and it's unfortunate that they're using this for their own anti-gay message. 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