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Eighty percent of the weapons were dismantled. The thousands that remain are far more than enough to cause near-extinction.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Which is the greater nuclear threat: North Korea or the United States and Russia?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I think that right now Donald Trump's threats against North Korea are posing a very great threat in that it could cause North Korea madly to lash out preemptively, to try to get retaliation in before they're hit, as almost happened with Russia on more than one occasion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is a major danger right now of nuclear war with North Korea because Donald Trump is making threats against a nuclear weapons state for the first time in over half a century, the first time since the Cuban missile crisis 55 years ago. He is making threats of attacking a state that can retaliate with nuclear weapons.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What would you say to President Trump if you had the chance?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I can't imagine being in his presence. I think the highest hope I would have would be that the message of this book would be somehow conveyed on \"Fox and Friends\" and might get through to him that the nuclear forces he's in charge of cannot be used without the likelihood of mass annihilation.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What do you like to do on the weekends?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I'm a big moviegoer, and I also like to go body surfing at Stinson Beach.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What are the best movies you've seen recently?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I did see \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/11/22/564871284/darkest-hour-in-a-world-at-war-a-war-of-words\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Darkest Hour\u003c/a>\" about Churchill. Unfortunately,. I don't think the timing was wonderful because it kind of portrayed Churchill the way Donald Trump would like to think of himself right now confronting North Korea. I don't think, in fact, that North Korea does pose the danger that Hitler did pose to England at that time. So I'm not anxious for Trump to see \"Darkest Hour\" this month and to be Churchill-like going to war.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I would love him to see \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/12/21/572612119/the-post-pentagon-papers-put-the-press-under-pressure\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Post\u003c/a>.\" He might get the message about the role and necessity for a free press and the fact that in a challenge between him and a strong woman like \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Graham\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kay Graham\u003c/a> of \"The Post\" or Meryl Streep, he may not win. The women now are speaking up for themselves in a new way that I think can confront male supremacy in a way that we haven't seen in my lifetime.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What are your favorite spots in the Bay Area?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I happen to live very close to \u003ca href=\"http://blakegarden.ced.berkeley.edu/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Blake Garden\u003c/a>, which is owned by the University of California. It's a marvelous garden. When my father was in his 90s, I would take him there and he said, 'This is heaven.' That's a particularly nice place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have a favorite restaurant that I go to, \u003ca href=\"http://www.innkensington.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in Kensington\u003c/a>, that I eat at practically every day. The best omelettes in the area. And driving out to Stinson Beach in my Miata with the top down through the redwood trees is always an awesome experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"When he's not worried about nuclear-fueled extinction, the man best known for leaking the Pentagon Papers likes watching movies and body surfing at Stinson Beach.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1517018236,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":16,"wordCount":697},"headData":{"title":"It's Hard for Daniel Ellsberg to Talk About Anything But Nuclear War | KQED","description":"When he's not worried about nuclear-fueled extinction, the man best known for leaking the Pentagon Papers likes watching movies and body surfing at Stinson Beach.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"It's Hard for Daniel Ellsberg to Talk About Anything But Nuclear War","datePublished":"2018-01-21T23:36:21.000Z","dateModified":"2018-01-27T01:57:16.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11643487 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11643487","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2018/01/21/its-hard-for-daniel-ellsberg-to-talk-about-anything-but-nuclear-war/","disqusTitle":"It's Hard for Daniel Ellsberg to Talk About Anything But Nuclear War","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/RDnews/2018/01/DanielEllsberg.mp3","path":"/news/11643487/its-hard-for-daniel-ellsberg-to-talk-about-anything-but-nuclear-war","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Daniel Ellsberg is perhaps best known for leaking the Pentagon Papers, which showed the government's mismanagement and lies about the Vietnam War and helped turn public support against the war.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But these days, the 86-year-old Kensington resident is more concerned about a war that he worries could be coming soon: nuclear war. His new memoir, \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25663779-the-doomsday-machine?ac=1&from_search=true\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner\u003c/a>,\" focuses on his time as a nuclear policy analyst and his fears over the current state of nuclear armament.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While it can be tough for Ellsberg to discuss anything other than his worries over a potential nuclear war, we were also able to talk about his favorite movies and hanging out at Stinson Beach.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What is your personal doomsday scenario?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>There really are the two existential dangers to our species on a large scale. The climate we're at least aware of, not that we're acting effectively or appropriately on that at all. But people have come to believe that the nuclear danger disappeared with the Cold War. Unfortunately, it didn't. Eighty percent of the weapons were dismantled. The thousands that remain are far more than enough to cause near-extinction.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Which is the greater nuclear threat: North Korea or the United States and Russia?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I think that right now Donald Trump's threats against North Korea are posing a very great threat in that it could cause North Korea madly to lash out preemptively, to try to get retaliation in before they're hit, as almost happened with Russia on more than one occasion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is a major danger right now of nuclear war with North Korea because Donald Trump is making threats against a nuclear weapons state for the first time in over half a century, the first time since the Cuban missile crisis 55 years ago. He is making threats of attacking a state that can retaliate with nuclear weapons.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What would you say to President Trump if you had the chance?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I can't imagine being in his presence. I think the highest hope I would have would be that the message of this book would be somehow conveyed on \"Fox and Friends\" and might get through to him that the nuclear forces he's in charge of cannot be used without the likelihood of mass annihilation.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What do you like to do on the weekends?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I'm a big moviegoer, and I also like to go body surfing at Stinson Beach.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What are the best movies you've seen recently?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I did see \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/11/22/564871284/darkest-hour-in-a-world-at-war-a-war-of-words\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Darkest Hour\u003c/a>\" about Churchill. Unfortunately,. I don't think the timing was wonderful because it kind of portrayed Churchill the way Donald Trump would like to think of himself right now confronting North Korea. I don't think, in fact, that North Korea does pose the danger that Hitler did pose to England at that time. So I'm not anxious for Trump to see \"Darkest Hour\" this month and to be Churchill-like going to war.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I would love him to see \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/12/21/572612119/the-post-pentagon-papers-put-the-press-under-pressure\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Post\u003c/a>.\" He might get the message about the role and necessity for a free press and the fact that in a challenge between him and a strong woman like \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Graham\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kay Graham\u003c/a> of \"The Post\" or Meryl Streep, he may not win. The women now are speaking up for themselves in a new way that I think can confront male supremacy in a way that we haven't seen in my lifetime.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What are your favorite spots in the Bay Area?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>I happen to live very close to \u003ca href=\"http://blakegarden.ced.berkeley.edu/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Blake Garden\u003c/a>, which is owned by the University of California. It's a marvelous garden. When my father was in his 90s, I would take him there and he said, 'This is heaven.' That's a particularly nice place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I have a favorite restaurant that I go to, \u003ca href=\"http://www.innkensington.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in Kensington\u003c/a>, that I eat at practically every day. The best omelettes in the area. And driving out to Stinson Beach in my Miata with the top down through the redwood trees is always an awesome experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11643487/its-hard-for-daniel-ellsberg-to-talk-about-anything-but-nuclear-war","authors":["11260"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_223","news_8"],"tags":["news_129","news_656","news_21079"],"featImg":"news_11643488","label":"news_6944"},"news_11335380":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11335380","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11335380","score":null,"sort":[1488237599000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"edward-snowden-and-daniel-ellsberg-on-the-state-of-security-and-freedom-under-trump","title":"Edward Snowden and Daniel Ellsberg on the State of Security and Freedom Under Trump","publishDate":1488237599,"format":"standard","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Speaking to a live audience in San Francisco on Sunday, Edward Snowden, the former intelligence officer who \u003ca href=\"http://video.kqed.org/video/2365857871/\">released documents\u003c/a> about the National Security Agency's surveillance activities in 2013, said that the sole qualification for whistleblowing is to be a witness to injustice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You do not have to be the president to make a difference,\" he said. \"Whistleblowers are elected by circumstance. ... Do what you can if you see injustice. Stand up and say something. It's not enough to believe in something. If you want to see a better world, you must do something to achieve it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden spoke through live-stream video from Russia at a City Arts & Lectures event in San Francisco. He was joined by \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/06/17/daniel-ellsberg-edward-snowden-nsa/\">Daniel Ellsberg\u003c/a>, the former military analyst who \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/06/13/137156974/daniel-ellsberg-expected-life-in-prison-after-leaking-pentagon-papers\">leaked classified documents \u003c/a>known as the Pentagon Papers. Efforts to discredit Ellsberg in a plan hatched by the White House figured into the impeachment proceedings of President Richard Nixon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden said he wouldn't have done what he did if not for the precedent set by Ellsberg. Snowden now lives under asylum in Russia. Ellsberg remains in the United States after facing a trial that was dismissed in 1973 on grounds of governmental misconduct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two spoke with KQED's Scott Shafer about whistleblowing and the state of privacy and truth under the Trump presidency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“When you look at the situation of this White House, of this administration, their relationship to the press, their policy positions. ... These are all callbacks to a time when domestically and internationally our lives were fraught with the insecurity and instability that we thought we left behind and should've left behind,\" said Snowden. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked about recent memo leaks, including one that led to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2017/02/13/226080/michael_flynn_resigns_as_trumps_national_security_adviser?source=npr&category=politics\">resignation \u003c/a>of Donald Trump's national security adviser, Michael Flynn, Ellsberg expressed concern over the reaction from the administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n\u003cp lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Leaking, and even illegal classified leaking, has been a big problem in Washington for years. Failing \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/nytimes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@nytimes\u003c/a> (and others) must apologize!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/832197515248275456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 16, 2017\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cscript async src=\"https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\">\u003c/script>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n\u003cp lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by \"intelligence\" like candy. Very un-American!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 15, 2017\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cscript async src=\"https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\">\u003c/script>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It'll be very interesting to see with these leak investigations that are going on now just exactly what Donald J. Trump's people and Jeff Sessions do with the [security] capabilities they just inherited from Barack Obama,” Ellsberg said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There was also a sense of optimism about the state of resistance by ordinary people post-election. Ellsberg referred to the recent \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/01/28/protesters-rush-to-airports-as-trump-order-targeting-refugees-take-effect/\">airport protests\u003c/a> denouncing President Trump's ban on refugees worldwide and on travelers from seven predominantly Muslim countries, calling the protests \"encouraging.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's been awhile since I've seen anything like this,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden also referred to post-election protests, the rise in donations to the American Civil Liberties Union and reported swells in newspaper subscriptions after Trump's election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People are realizing afresh that democracy is not an inheritance,\" said Snowden. \"I see the seed being planted and the very first shoots ... we will see dark days ahead but ... we will learn again what it means to resist injustice and how to do so effectively.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n\u003cp lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Edward Snowden on the silver linings of the Trump administration \u003ca href=\"https://t.co/IGy60wOQgy\">pic.twitter.com/IGy60wOQgy\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— Ericka Cruz Guevarra (@erkagvra) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/erkagvra/status/836021142112460800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 27, 2017\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cscript async src=\"https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\">\u003c/script>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden also spoke of living life in anonymity in Russia, and the possibility of getting snatched by the CIA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's always a possibility. Much earlier on, it was much more realistic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden said he regularly rides the metro in Russia, and that it's relatively easy to go unrecognized -- except in computer stores.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In my situation, I don't want a lot of my day-to-day to be known,\" he said. \"I don't want my persona to follow me home ... One of the places I used to go very frequently is now much riskier for me, and that would be computer stores.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Asked what he saw looking 20 years into the future, Snowden said \"everyone wants a happy ending\" to their life, adding that what happened to him wasn't nearly as important as what happened to the country in terms of preserving liberty and freedom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked if not being able to return to the United States was \"worth it,\" Snowden said this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I would do it again, and I would do it sooner.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"'People are realizing afresh that democracy is not an inheritance,' said Snowden. 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Do what you can if you see injustice. Stand up and say something. It's not enough to believe in something. If you want to see a better world, you must do something to achieve it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden spoke through live-stream video from Russia at a City Arts & Lectures event in San Francisco. He was joined by \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/06/17/daniel-ellsberg-edward-snowden-nsa/\">Daniel Ellsberg\u003c/a>, the former military analyst who \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/06/13/137156974/daniel-ellsberg-expected-life-in-prison-after-leaking-pentagon-papers\">leaked classified documents \u003c/a>known as the Pentagon Papers. Efforts to discredit Ellsberg in a plan hatched by the White House figured into the impeachment proceedings of President Richard Nixon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden said he wouldn't have done what he did if not for the precedent set by Ellsberg. Snowden now lives under asylum in Russia. Ellsberg remains in the United States after facing a trial that was dismissed in 1973 on grounds of governmental misconduct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two spoke with KQED's Scott Shafer about whistleblowing and the state of privacy and truth under the Trump presidency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“When you look at the situation of this White House, of this administration, their relationship to the press, their policy positions. ... These are all callbacks to a time when domestically and internationally our lives were fraught with the insecurity and instability that we thought we left behind and should've left behind,\" said Snowden. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked about recent memo leaks, including one that led to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2017/02/13/226080/michael_flynn_resigns_as_trumps_national_security_adviser?source=npr&category=politics\">resignation \u003c/a>of Donald Trump's national security adviser, Michael Flynn, Ellsberg expressed concern over the reaction from the administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n\u003cp lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Leaking, and even illegal classified leaking, has been a big problem in Washington for years. Failing \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/nytimes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@nytimes\u003c/a> (and others) must apologize!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/832197515248275456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 16, 2017\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cscript async src=\"https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\">\u003c/script>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n\u003cp lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by \"intelligence\" like candy. Very un-American!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 15, 2017\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cscript async src=\"https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\">\u003c/script>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It'll be very interesting to see with these leak investigations that are going on now just exactly what Donald J. Trump's people and Jeff Sessions do with the [security] capabilities they just inherited from Barack Obama,” Ellsberg said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There was also a sense of optimism about the state of resistance by ordinary people post-election. Ellsberg referred to the recent \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/01/28/protesters-rush-to-airports-as-trump-order-targeting-refugees-take-effect/\">airport protests\u003c/a> denouncing President Trump's ban on refugees worldwide and on travelers from seven predominantly Muslim countries, calling the protests \"encouraging.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's been awhile since I've seen anything like this,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden also referred to post-election protests, the rise in donations to the American Civil Liberties Union and reported swells in newspaper subscriptions after Trump's election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People are realizing afresh that democracy is not an inheritance,\" said Snowden. \"I see the seed being planted and the very first shoots ... we will see dark days ahead but ... we will learn again what it means to resist injustice and how to do so effectively.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n\u003cp lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Edward Snowden on the silver linings of the Trump administration \u003ca href=\"https://t.co/IGy60wOQgy\">pic.twitter.com/IGy60wOQgy\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>— Ericka Cruz Guevarra (@erkagvra) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/erkagvra/status/836021142112460800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 27, 2017\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cscript async src=\"https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\">\u003c/script>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden also spoke of living life in anonymity in Russia, and the possibility of getting snatched by the CIA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's always a possibility. Much earlier on, it was much more realistic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden said he regularly rides the metro in Russia, and that it's relatively easy to go unrecognized -- except in computer stores.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In my situation, I don't want a lot of my day-to-day to be known,\" he said. \"I don't want my persona to follow me home ... One of the places I used to go very frequently is now much riskier for me, and that would be computer stores.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Asked what he saw looking 20 years into the future, Snowden said \"everyone wants a happy ending\" to their life, adding that what happened to him wasn't nearly as important as what happened to the country in terms of preserving liberty and freedom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked if not being able to return to the United States was \"worth it,\" Snowden said this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I would do it again, and I would do it sooner.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11335380/edward-snowden-and-daniel-ellsberg-on-the-state-of-security-and-freedom-under-trump","authors":["8654"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13","news_248"],"tags":["news_656","news_1323","news_4492","news_1351"],"featImg":"news_11335382","label":"news_6944"},"news_100100":{"type":"posts","id":"news_100100","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"100100","score":null,"sort":[1371492109000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"video-daniel-ellsberg-talks-edward-snowden-nsa-leaks","title":"2 Sides of NSA Debate: Ellsberg Calls Programs 'Impeachable Offense'; Feinstein Points to Plots Foiled","publishDate":1371492109,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Daniel Ellsberg, the Big Daddy of all government whistleblowers, \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bT_tqp7HDhE#!\" target=\"_blank\">defended NSA leaker Edward Snowden\u003c/a> in an interview with \"This Week in Northern California\" host Dana King on Friday. Ellsberg lives in Kensington and has been a frequent \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/14/podcast-daniel-ellsberg-at-mill-valley-public-library/\" target=\"_blank\">presence in the Bay Area\u003c/a> talking about the need for government transparency as it relates to national security.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ellsberg, as you might imagine, said Snowden did a \"great benefit to this country.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's very hard to imagine a democracy surviving long with the government having that kind of ability to blackmail any given person,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/bT_tqp7HDhE\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ellsberg called the National Security Agency programs, which indiscriminately gather data related to the telecommunications and Internet habits of millions of U.S. citizens, an impeachable offense under both presidents Bush and Obama. He also said he was dismayed by how many Democrats have switched from opposing the programs under Bush to supporting expanded versions under Obama. \"I'm speaking of Sen. Feinstein here, very specifically,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Feinstein, who is chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has been an outspoken defender of the programs since the news of their existence broke. Last week she \u003ca href=\"http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/06/09/feinstein-nsa-programs-thwarted-plots-in-new-york-mumbai/\" target=\"_blank\">pointed to two specific terrorist plots\u003c/a> that she said the programs helped foil, including the planned bombing of the New York City subway system in 2009. NSA officials said this weekend, anonymously, \u003ca href=\"http://news.yahoo.com/officials-nsa-programs-broke-plots-20-nations-233703820.html\" target=\"_blank\">those are just the tip of the iceberg\u003c/a>. President Obama has also \u003ca href=\"http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57589514/obama-doesnt-think-nsa-programs-violated-americans-privacy-wh-says/\" target=\"_blank\">defended the NSA activity\u003c/a>, as have those of a decidedly different political persuasion, like \u003ca href=\"http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57589521/dick-cheney-defends-nsa-surveillance-programs/\" target=\"_blank\">Dick Chene\u003c/a>y, who called Snowden a traitor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In other news on this story today, Apple said that over the last six months it \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23477457/apple-joins-other-tech-companies-detailing-government-requests\" target=\"_blank\">received between 4,000-5,000 requests for customer data related to all law enforcement investigations\u003c/a>, though it did not break out how many came from the NSA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden, who has taken refuge in Hong Kong, did an \u003ca href=\"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-2%20Special%20trail:Network%20front%20-%20special%20trail:Position1\" target=\"_blank\">online chat\u003c/a> with Guardian blogger Glenn Greenwald, who broke the story. Here's the complete AP write-up on that...\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>WASHINGTON (AP) — NSA leaker Edward Snowden is defending his disclosure of top-secret U.S. spying programs in an online chat Monday with The Guardian and is attacking U.S. officials for calling him a traitor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The U.S. government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me,\" he said. He added the government \"immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home,\" by labeling him a traitor, and indicated he would not return to the U.S. voluntarily.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Congressional leaders have called Snowden a traitor for revealing once-secret surveillance programs two weeks ago in the Guardian and The Washington Post. The National Security Agency programs collect records of millions of Americans' telephone calls and Internet usage as a counterterror tool. The disclosures revealed the scope of the collections, which surprised many Americans and have sparked debate about how much privacy the government can take away in the name of national security.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It would be foolish to volunteer yourself to\" possible arrest and criminal charges \"if you can do more good outside of prison than in it,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In one posted reply to a question, Snowden dismissed being called a traitor by former Vice President Dick Cheney, who made the allegations in an interview this week on Fox News Sunday. Cheney was echoing a charge by Senate Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.,\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein ... the better off we all are,\" he said. \"This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead,\" he added, referring to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Guardian announced that its website was hosting an online chat with Snowden, in hiding in Hong Kong, with reporter Glenn Greenwald receiving and posting his questions. The Associated Press couldn't independently verify that Snowden was the man who posted 19 replies to questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In answer to a question about charges made by Cheney and other U.S. officials that he might be spying for China, and trading information for asylum, Snowden wrote, \"Ask yourself: if I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn't I have flown directly into Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added later, \"I have had no contact with the Chinese government.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden explained that he had not flown directly to Iceland, where he has said he would like to seek asylum, because of the restrictions on travel for U.S. government employees with top clearances that require permission 30 days in advance, making Hong Kong the more accessible option.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden dismissed the U.S. government's claims that the NSA surveillance programs had helped thwart dozens of terrorist attacks in more than 20 countries, including the 2009 al-Qaida plot by Afghan American Najibullah Zazi to blow up New York subways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Journalists should ask a specific question: ... how many terrorist attacks were prevented SOLELY by information derived from this suspicionless surveillance that could not be gained via any other source? Then ask how many individual communications were ingested to acheive (sic) that, and ask yourself if it was worth it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added that \"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden was working as a contractor for NSA at the time he had access to the then-secret programs. He defended his actions and said he considered what to reveal and what not to, saying he did not reveal any U.S. operations against what he called legitimate military targets, but instead showed that the NSA is hacking civilian infrastructure like universities and private businesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These nakedly, aggressively criminal acts are wrong no matter the target. Not only that, when NSA makes a technical mistake during an exploitation operation, critical systems crash,\" he said, though he gave no examples of what systems have crashed or in which countries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Congress hasn't declared war on the countries — the majority of them are our allies — but without asking for public permission, NSA is running network operations against them that affect millions of innocent people,\" he said. \"And for what? So we can have secret access to a computer in a country we're not even fighting?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden was referring to Prism, one of the programs he disclosed. The program sweeps up Internet usage data from all over the world that goes through nine major U.S.-based Internet providers. The NSA can look at foreign usage without any warrants, and says the program doesn't target Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. officials say the data-gathering programs are legal and operated under secret court supervision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden explained his claim that from his desk, he could \"wiretap\" any phone call or email — a claim top intelligence officials have denied. \"If an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc. analyst has access to query raw SIGINT (signals intelligence) databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want,\" he wrote in the answer posted on the Guardian site. \"Phone number, email, user id, cell phone handset id (IMEI), and so on — it's all the same.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The NSA did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment. But Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has said that the kind of data that can be accessed and who can access it are severely limited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden said the restrictions on what could be seen by an individual analyst vary according to policy changes, which can happen \"at any time,\" and said that a technical \"filter\" on NSA data-gathering meant to filter out U.S. communications is \"weak,\" such that U.S. communications often get ingested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The former contractor also added that NSA provides Congress \"with a special immunity to its surveillance,\" without explaining further.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden defended U.S. Army Pfc. Bradley Manning for his disclosures of documents to Wikileaks, which he called a \"legitimate journalistic outlet,\" which \"carefully redacted all of their releases in accordance with a judgment of public interest.\" He said the Wikileaks release of unredacted material was \"due to the failure of a partner journalist to control a passphrase,\" which led to the charge against Manning that he dumped the documents, which Snowden called an attempt to smear Manning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Manning is currently on trial at Fort Meade — the same Army base where the NSA is headquartered — on charges of aiding the enemy for releasing documents to Wikileaks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden defended his description of his salary as being $200,000 a year, calling that a \"career high,\" but saying he did take a pay cut to take the job at Booz Allen Hamilton, where he worked as a contractor at an NSA facility in Hawaii. When Booz Allen fired him, they said his salary was $122,000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In one of his final replies, Snowden attacked the \"mainstream media\" for its coverage, saying it \"now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicion-less surveillance in human history.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1371505588,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":37,"wordCount":1582},"headData":{"title":"2 Sides of NSA Debate: Ellsberg Calls Programs 'Impeachable Offense'; Feinstein Points to Plots Foiled | KQED","description":"Daniel Ellsberg, the Big Daddy of all government whistleblowers, defended NSA leaker Edward Snowden in an interview with "This Week in Northern California" host Dana King on Friday. Ellsberg lives in Kensington and has been a frequent presence in the Bay Area talking about the need for government transparency as it relates to national security.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"2 Sides of NSA Debate: Ellsberg Calls Programs 'Impeachable Offense'; Feinstein Points to Plots Foiled","datePublished":"2013-06-17T18:01:49.000Z","dateModified":"2013-06-17T21:46:28.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"100100 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=100100","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/06/17/video-daniel-ellsberg-talks-edward-snowden-nsa-leaks/","disqusTitle":"2 Sides of NSA Debate: Ellsberg Calls Programs 'Impeachable Offense'; Feinstein Points to Plots Foiled","customPermalink":"2013/06/17/daniel-ellsberg-edward-snowden-nsa/","path":"/news/100100/video-daniel-ellsberg-talks-edward-snowden-nsa-leaks","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Daniel Ellsberg, the Big Daddy of all government whistleblowers, \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bT_tqp7HDhE#!\" target=\"_blank\">defended NSA leaker Edward Snowden\u003c/a> in an interview with \"This Week in Northern California\" host Dana King on Friday. Ellsberg lives in Kensington and has been a frequent \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2011/01/14/podcast-daniel-ellsberg-at-mill-valley-public-library/\" target=\"_blank\">presence in the Bay Area\u003c/a> talking about the need for government transparency as it relates to national security.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ellsberg, as you might imagine, said Snowden did a \"great benefit to this country.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's very hard to imagine a democracy surviving long with the government having that kind of ability to blackmail any given person,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/bT_tqp7HDhE\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ellsberg called the National Security Agency programs, which indiscriminately gather data related to the telecommunications and Internet habits of millions of U.S. citizens, an impeachable offense under both presidents Bush and Obama. He also said he was dismayed by how many Democrats have switched from opposing the programs under Bush to supporting expanded versions under Obama. \"I'm speaking of Sen. Feinstein here, very specifically,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Feinstein, who is chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has been an outspoken defender of the programs since the news of their existence broke. Last week she \u003ca href=\"http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/06/09/feinstein-nsa-programs-thwarted-plots-in-new-york-mumbai/\" target=\"_blank\">pointed to two specific terrorist plots\u003c/a> that she said the programs helped foil, including the planned bombing of the New York City subway system in 2009. NSA officials said this weekend, anonymously, \u003ca href=\"http://news.yahoo.com/officials-nsa-programs-broke-plots-20-nations-233703820.html\" target=\"_blank\">those are just the tip of the iceberg\u003c/a>. President Obama has also \u003ca href=\"http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57589514/obama-doesnt-think-nsa-programs-violated-americans-privacy-wh-says/\" target=\"_blank\">defended the NSA activity\u003c/a>, as have those of a decidedly different political persuasion, like \u003ca href=\"http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57589521/dick-cheney-defends-nsa-surveillance-programs/\" target=\"_blank\">Dick Chene\u003c/a>y, who called Snowden a traitor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In other news on this story today, Apple said that over the last six months it \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23477457/apple-joins-other-tech-companies-detailing-government-requests\" target=\"_blank\">received between 4,000-5,000 requests for customer data related to all law enforcement investigations\u003c/a>, though it did not break out how many came from the NSA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden, who has taken refuge in Hong Kong, did an \u003ca href=\"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-2%20Special%20trail:Network%20front%20-%20special%20trail:Position1\" target=\"_blank\">online chat\u003c/a> with Guardian blogger Glenn Greenwald, who broke the story. Here's the complete AP write-up on that...\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>WASHINGTON (AP) — NSA leaker Edward Snowden is defending his disclosure of top-secret U.S. spying programs in an online chat Monday with The Guardian and is attacking U.S. officials for calling him a traitor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The U.S. government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me,\" he said. He added the government \"immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home,\" by labeling him a traitor, and indicated he would not return to the U.S. voluntarily.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Congressional leaders have called Snowden a traitor for revealing once-secret surveillance programs two weeks ago in the Guardian and The Washington Post. The National Security Agency programs collect records of millions of Americans' telephone calls and Internet usage as a counterterror tool. The disclosures revealed the scope of the collections, which surprised many Americans and have sparked debate about how much privacy the government can take away in the name of national security.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It would be foolish to volunteer yourself to\" possible arrest and criminal charges \"if you can do more good outside of prison than in it,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In one posted reply to a question, Snowden dismissed being called a traitor by former Vice President Dick Cheney, who made the allegations in an interview this week on Fox News Sunday. Cheney was echoing a charge by Senate Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.,\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein ... the better off we all are,\" he said. \"This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead,\" he added, referring to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Guardian announced that its website was hosting an online chat with Snowden, in hiding in Hong Kong, with reporter Glenn Greenwald receiving and posting his questions. The Associated Press couldn't independently verify that Snowden was the man who posted 19 replies to questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In answer to a question about charges made by Cheney and other U.S. officials that he might be spying for China, and trading information for asylum, Snowden wrote, \"Ask yourself: if I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn't I have flown directly into Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added later, \"I have had no contact with the Chinese government.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden explained that he had not flown directly to Iceland, where he has said he would like to seek asylum, because of the restrictions on travel for U.S. government employees with top clearances that require permission 30 days in advance, making Hong Kong the more accessible option.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden dismissed the U.S. government's claims that the NSA surveillance programs had helped thwart dozens of terrorist attacks in more than 20 countries, including the 2009 al-Qaida plot by Afghan American Najibullah Zazi to blow up New York subways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Journalists should ask a specific question: ... how many terrorist attacks were prevented SOLELY by information derived from this suspicionless surveillance that could not be gained via any other source? Then ask how many individual communications were ingested to acheive (sic) that, and ask yourself if it was worth it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added that \"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden was working as a contractor for NSA at the time he had access to the then-secret programs. He defended his actions and said he considered what to reveal and what not to, saying he did not reveal any U.S. operations against what he called legitimate military targets, but instead showed that the NSA is hacking civilian infrastructure like universities and private businesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These nakedly, aggressively criminal acts are wrong no matter the target. Not only that, when NSA makes a technical mistake during an exploitation operation, critical systems crash,\" he said, though he gave no examples of what systems have crashed or in which countries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Congress hasn't declared war on the countries — the majority of them are our allies — but without asking for public permission, NSA is running network operations against them that affect millions of innocent people,\" he said. \"And for what? So we can have secret access to a computer in a country we're not even fighting?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden was referring to Prism, one of the programs he disclosed. The program sweeps up Internet usage data from all over the world that goes through nine major U.S.-based Internet providers. The NSA can look at foreign usage without any warrants, and says the program doesn't target Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. officials say the data-gathering programs are legal and operated under secret court supervision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden explained his claim that from his desk, he could \"wiretap\" any phone call or email — a claim top intelligence officials have denied. \"If an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc. analyst has access to query raw SIGINT (signals intelligence) databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want,\" he wrote in the answer posted on the Guardian site. \"Phone number, email, user id, cell phone handset id (IMEI), and so on — it's all the same.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The NSA did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment. But Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has said that the kind of data that can be accessed and who can access it are severely limited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden said the restrictions on what could be seen by an individual analyst vary according to policy changes, which can happen \"at any time,\" and said that a technical \"filter\" on NSA data-gathering meant to filter out U.S. communications is \"weak,\" such that U.S. communications often get ingested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The former contractor also added that NSA provides Congress \"with a special immunity to its surveillance,\" without explaining further.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden defended U.S. Army Pfc. Bradley Manning for his disclosures of documents to Wikileaks, which he called a \"legitimate journalistic outlet,\" which \"carefully redacted all of their releases in accordance with a judgment of public interest.\" He said the Wikileaks release of unredacted material was \"due to the failure of a partner journalist to control a passphrase,\" which led to the charge against Manning that he dumped the documents, which Snowden called an attempt to smear Manning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Manning is currently on trial at Fort Meade — the same Army base where the NSA is headquartered — on charges of aiding the enemy for releasing documents to Wikileaks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snowden defended his description of his salary as being $200,000 a year, calling that a \"career high,\" but saying he did take a pay cut to take the job at Booz Allen Hamilton, where he worked as a contractor at an NSA facility in Hawaii. When Booz Allen fired him, they said his salary was $122,000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In one of his final replies, Snowden attacked the \"mainstream media\" for its coverage, saying it \"now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicion-less surveillance in human history.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/100100/video-daniel-ellsberg-talks-edward-snowden-nsa-leaks","authors":["80"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_656","news_4492","news_4481","news_2125"],"label":"news_6944"},"news_95672":{"type":"posts","id":"news_95672","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"95672","score":null,"sort":[1367368561000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"san-francisco-gay-activists-split-over-bradley-manning-gay-parade-role","title":"San Francisco Gay Activists Split Over Bradley Manning Pride Role","publishDate":1367368561,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>A grand marshal in the \u003ca href=\"http://sfpride.org/heritage/\">San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Parade\u003c/a> doesn't do very much. Mostly the job requires waving at onlookers while riding in a convertible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_95723\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 203px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/04/30/controversy-swirls-around-bradley-manning-gay-pride-report/motion-hearing-held-in-bradley-manning-military-trial/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-95723\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-95723\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/04/bradley-manning-203x300.jpg\" alt=\"Bradley Manning is escorted from a hearing on Jan. 8, 2013. ( Mark Wilson/Getty Images)\" width=\"203\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bradley Manning is escorted from a hearing on Jan. 8, 2013. ( Mark Wilson/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>And Bradley Manning, imprisoned on charges of leaking U.S. military documents through the \u003ca href=\"http://wikileaks.org/\">WikiLeaks\u003c/a> website, could not even have done that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the symbolism of the role looms large in the San Francisco LGBT community. So, the selection of Manning as a grand marshal is causing a crisis for the Pride organization.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement issued Friday, SF Pride board president Lisa L. Williams said that Manning will not serve as grand marshal in the June 30 parade and that his nomination was an \"error,\" which will require revising the selection process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The decision prompted a demonstration by some of Manning's supporters, as well as a counterdemonstration by his detractors, outside the Pride office in San Francisco Monday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The controversy has drawn in Daniel Ellsberg, who made headlines in 1971 by leaking the Pentagon Papers. Originally invited to represent the imprisoned Manning in the parade, Ellsberg now plans to attend the event on his own to express support for Manning. It will be his first appearance in the parade. \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That's the place for me to be on that day, on June 30, in that parade, expressing support for Bradley Manning, loud and clear,\" Ellsberg said. The 82-year-old Kensington resident said walking in the parade will be hard because of a recent hip replacement, but worth the effort.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The controversy began when a former grand marshal, Joey Cain, nominated Manning. \"I felt that he was an important and heroic person both for the larger world and as a gay man,\" Cain said. \"He released documents that put no one in harm's way and exposed crimes on the part of the U.S. government, stuff that the American public should have known but was covered up.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cain said he knew the nomination was controversial, but the history of gay pride is full of controversy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What he did not expect was the fury of the backlash after the Bay Area Reporter announced that Manning was among the marshals. The American Military Partners Association, which advocates for same-sex military families, called on the Pride organization to rescind the invitation. And so did the Log Cabin Republicans of San Francisco, a gay GOP organization.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When we first became aware of what appeared to be a formal decision, we were very alarmed,\" said Fred Schein, a Log Cabin spokesman. \"Bradley Manning has been charged with some serious crimes. Many of our members regard him as a traitorous fellow. He may have caused members of our armed forces to lose their lives. And we don't believe such a person is appropriate to represent our community.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Such opposition apparently swayed the leadership of the Pride organization.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Bradley Manning is facing the military justice system of this country,\" Williams said in her statement. \"We all await the decision of that system. However, until that time, even the hint of support for actions which placed in harms [sic] way the lives of our men and women in uniform -- and countless others, military and civilian alike -- will not be tolerated by the leadership of San Francisco Pride.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The statement said that a Pride staff member \"prematurely\" contacted Manning, based on \"internal conversation\" within the organization, and that the staff member has been disciplined.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what was the nature of the \"error\"? According to Williams:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Specifically, what these events have revealed is a system whereby a less-than-handful of people may decide who represents the LGBT community's highest aspirations as grand marshals for SF Pride. This is a systemic failure that now has become apparent and will be rectified. In point of fact, less than 15 people actually cast votes for Bradley Manning. These 15 people are part of what is called the SF Pride Electoral College, comprised of former SF Pride Grand Marshals. However, as an organization with a responsibility to serve the broader community, SF Pride repudiates this vote. The Board of Directors for SF Pride never voted to support this nomination. Bradley Manning will have his day in court, but will not serve as an official participant in the SF Pride Parade.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>The statement seems to imply that grand marshals should not have been allowed to select future grand marshals, at least not without approval of the board of directors. But Cain said that's the way the system has always worked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Grand marshals are separately selected by the Electoral College, by a vote of Pride organization members, by a vote of the general public and by the Pride board of directors. The parade often has about 10 grand marshals chosen by these various groups, said Cain, a former board president, who can't remember a decision by any of those groups being overturned by the board.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If the board didn't like Manning, it could have appointed someone with an opposite political view as a grand marshal alongside Manning, Cain said, because that's the the way Pride has handled such controversies in the past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Williams did not respond to a request for comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, the flap has raised larger questions for the 43-year-old annual event. Does a grand marshal have to do something to advance the interests of LGBT people? Or does a more general contribution qualify as long as the person identifies as LGBT?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Some people have said, 'What had he done for the gay community?' \" Cain said. \"That's ludicrous.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A person's contribution should count even if that contribution was not specifically for the benefit of LGBT people, he said. However, Manning attended demonstrations against the military's \"don't ask, don't tell\" policy against LBGT people even before leaking military documents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And during his imprisonment he was held in harsh conditions — sometimes kept naked, said Cain. \"I think that's partly because he was a gay man.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With Manning's court martial scheduled for June 3, the controversy is likely only to intensify.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From an Associated Press report in 2011:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Lawyers for \u003ca title=\"Bradley Manning\" href=\"http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Bradley+Manning\" target=\"_blank\">Pfc. Bradley Manning\u003c/a> began laying out a defense to show that his struggles in an environment hostile to homosexuality contributed o mental and emotional problems that should have barred him from having access to sensitive material.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1367420230,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":29,"wordCount":1090},"headData":{"title":"San Francisco Gay Activists Split Over Bradley Manning's Proposed Pride Parade Role","description":"The selection of accused WikiLeaks leader Bradley Manning as a grand marshal is causing a crisis for the San Francisco Gay Pride parade.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"San Francisco Gay Activists Split Over Bradley Manning Pride Role","datePublished":"2013-05-01T00:36:01.000Z","dateModified":"2013-05-01T14:57:10.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"95672 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=95672","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/04/30/san-francisco-gay-activists-split-over-bradley-manning-gay-parade-role/","disqusTitle":"San Francisco Gay Activists Split Over Bradley Manning Pride Role","customPermalink":"2013/04/30/controversy-swirls-around-bradley-manning-gay-pride-report/","path":"/news/95672/san-francisco-gay-activists-split-over-bradley-manning-gay-parade-role","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A grand marshal in the \u003ca href=\"http://sfpride.org/heritage/\">San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Parade\u003c/a> doesn't do very much. Mostly the job requires waving at onlookers while riding in a convertible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_95723\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 203px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/04/30/controversy-swirls-around-bradley-manning-gay-pride-report/motion-hearing-held-in-bradley-manning-military-trial/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-95723\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-95723\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/04/bradley-manning-203x300.jpg\" alt=\"Bradley Manning is escorted from a hearing on Jan. 8, 2013. ( Mark Wilson/Getty Images)\" width=\"203\" height=\"300\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bradley Manning is escorted from a hearing on Jan. 8, 2013. ( Mark Wilson/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>And Bradley Manning, imprisoned on charges of leaking U.S. military documents through the \u003ca href=\"http://wikileaks.org/\">WikiLeaks\u003c/a> website, could not even have done that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the symbolism of the role looms large in the San Francisco LGBT community. So, the selection of Manning as a grand marshal is causing a crisis for the Pride organization.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement issued Friday, SF Pride board president Lisa L. Williams said that Manning will not serve as grand marshal in the June 30 parade and that his nomination was an \"error,\" which will require revising the selection process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The decision prompted a demonstration by some of Manning's supporters, as well as a counterdemonstration by his detractors, outside the Pride office in San Francisco Monday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The controversy has drawn in Daniel Ellsberg, who made headlines in 1971 by leaking the Pentagon Papers. Originally invited to represent the imprisoned Manning in the parade, Ellsberg now plans to attend the event on his own to express support for Manning. It will be his first appearance in the parade. \u003c!--more-->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That's the place for me to be on that day, on June 30, in that parade, expressing support for Bradley Manning, loud and clear,\" Ellsberg said. The 82-year-old Kensington resident said walking in the parade will be hard because of a recent hip replacement, but worth the effort.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The controversy began when a former grand marshal, Joey Cain, nominated Manning. \"I felt that he was an important and heroic person both for the larger world and as a gay man,\" Cain said. \"He released documents that put no one in harm's way and exposed crimes on the part of the U.S. government, stuff that the American public should have known but was covered up.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cain said he knew the nomination was controversial, but the history of gay pride is full of controversy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What he did not expect was the fury of the backlash after the Bay Area Reporter announced that Manning was among the marshals. The American Military Partners Association, which advocates for same-sex military families, called on the Pride organization to rescind the invitation. And so did the Log Cabin Republicans of San Francisco, a gay GOP organization.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When we first became aware of what appeared to be a formal decision, we were very alarmed,\" said Fred Schein, a Log Cabin spokesman. \"Bradley Manning has been charged with some serious crimes. Many of our members regard him as a traitorous fellow. He may have caused members of our armed forces to lose their lives. And we don't believe such a person is appropriate to represent our community.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Such opposition apparently swayed the leadership of the Pride organization.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Bradley Manning is facing the military justice system of this country,\" Williams said in her statement. \"We all await the decision of that system. However, until that time, even the hint of support for actions which placed in harms [sic] way the lives of our men and women in uniform -- and countless others, military and civilian alike -- will not be tolerated by the leadership of San Francisco Pride.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The statement said that a Pride staff member \"prematurely\" contacted Manning, based on \"internal conversation\" within the organization, and that the staff member has been disciplined.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what was the nature of the \"error\"? According to Williams:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Specifically, what these events have revealed is a system whereby a less-than-handful of people may decide who represents the LGBT community's highest aspirations as grand marshals for SF Pride. This is a systemic failure that now has become apparent and will be rectified. In point of fact, less than 15 people actually cast votes for Bradley Manning. These 15 people are part of what is called the SF Pride Electoral College, comprised of former SF Pride Grand Marshals. However, as an organization with a responsibility to serve the broader community, SF Pride repudiates this vote. The Board of Directors for SF Pride never voted to support this nomination. Bradley Manning will have his day in court, but will not serve as an official participant in the SF Pride Parade.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>The statement seems to imply that grand marshals should not have been allowed to select future grand marshals, at least not without approval of the board of directors. But Cain said that's the way the system has always worked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Grand marshals are separately selected by the Electoral College, by a vote of Pride organization members, by a vote of the general public and by the Pride board of directors. The parade often has about 10 grand marshals chosen by these various groups, said Cain, a former board president, who can't remember a decision by any of those groups being overturned by the board.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If the board didn't like Manning, it could have appointed someone with an opposite political view as a grand marshal alongside Manning, Cain said, because that's the the way Pride has handled such controversies in the past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Williams did not respond to a request for comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, the flap has raised larger questions for the 43-year-old annual event. Does a grand marshal have to do something to advance the interests of LGBT people? Or does a more general contribution qualify as long as the person identifies as LGBT?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Some people have said, 'What had he done for the gay community?' \" Cain said. \"That's ludicrous.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A person's contribution should count even if that contribution was not specifically for the benefit of LGBT people, he said. However, Manning attended demonstrations against the military's \"don't ask, don't tell\" policy against LBGT people even before leaking military documents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And during his imprisonment he was held in harsh conditions — sometimes kept naked, said Cain. \"I think that's partly because he was a gay man.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With Manning's court martial scheduled for June 3, the controversy is likely only to intensify.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From an Associated Press report in 2011:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Lawyers for \u003ca title=\"Bradley Manning\" href=\"http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Bradley+Manning\" target=\"_blank\">Pfc. 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