How to Talk About 9/11 With a New Generation of Kids
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Wajahat Ali on His New Memoir and the Merits of Investing in Joy
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How Standing Up to Racism After 9/11 Changed One Immigrant Teenager's Life
What 9/11 Means for Me: There Is No Going Back to What Was Before
Marin's John Walker Lindh, 'American Taliban' Captured in 2001, Freed From Prison
Bay Area Observes 15th Anniversary of 9/11 Attacks
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But with the 22nd anniversary of the attacks this weekend, time has brought a new challenge: Students today have no memories of that day. So NPR checked in with educators and experts across the country for advice on how to approach 9/11 with kids for whom the attacks are simply \u003cem>history\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>First and foremost, keep it age-appropriate\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The Morningside Center for Teaching Social Responsibility offers several 9/11 lesson plans \u003ca href=\"https://www.morningsidecenter.org/teachable-moment/lessons/911-anniversary-teaching-guide-updated\">on its website\u003c/a> but says that “children ages 4 to 7 are too young for a lesson on September 11. They lack the knowledge to make sense of the attacks and their aftermath in any meaningful way.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Similarly, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.911memorial.org/learn/students-and-teachers/lesson-plans\">National September 11 Memorial & Museum \u003c/a>in New York City offers interactive lesson plans for students beginning in third grade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For children in grades three to five, Morningside recommends a brief, fact-based account of the day, including that nearly 3,000 people were killed:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cem>“Explain that on September 11, 2001, a group of men took over two planes and flew them into the World Trade Center, a pair of skyscrapers in downtown Manhattan. After several enormous explosions, both buildings collapsed, killing almost 3,000 people. On that same day, two additional planes were hijacked by the same group. One was flown into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C., killing 125 people, while the other crashed in a field in Pennsylvania killing all on board. Though it was never proven, that last plane was thought to be on its way to the White House or the Capitol.”\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003ch3>Make room for discomfort\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Graves says the scale of pain and loss can understandably unsettle some young students. “They’re not used to that,” he says. “They’re used to stories geared toward kids, and so there’s a happy ending.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other educators note that, especially with older children, we often underestimate what they already know and what they can handle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We advise teachers to be bold, and be courageous in meeting the kids where they’re at,” says \u003ca href=\"https://www.morningsidecenter.org/our-staff\">Tala Manassah, deputy executive director \u003c/a>of the Morningside Center for Teaching Social Responsibility. “Sometimes the edges of our learning happen when we are uncomfortable.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This extends to how educators answer two very hard questions kids have always asked:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Be clear who the attackers were — and weren’t\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Emily Gardner, an elementary school librarian in Texas, says it’s important to be clear and specific when talking about the group of 19 men behind the attacks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re very careful to answer that question, that it’s al-Qaida, it’s a terrorist organization,” Gardner says. “It’s not Muslims. It’s not people from a certain country.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In some classrooms, the discrimination and Islamophobia that followed the attacks feature prominently in how teachers talk about the lessons of 9/11.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As for answering children when they ask \u003cem>why\u003c/em> those 19 men did what they did, Graves says, “I think it is so important for educators, adults to be able to sit with a child and say, ‘I don’t know.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Stress how they can still help\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Graves worked with the group, Global Game Changers, \u003ca href=\"https://911lesson.org/\">to develop lessons around 9/11\u003c/a>. Jan Helson, the group’s co-founder, says it’s important to follow that “I don’t know” with, “But what we \u003cem>do\u003c/em> know is that really good people stood up to help us overcome those bad things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s why many of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.911memorial.org/learn/students-and-teachers/lesson-plans\">school materials created by the National September 11 Memorial & Museum\u003c/a> feature the stories of first responders who ran toward danger that day. It’s also important for kids to look not just for those helpers but to feel like they, too, can help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We give students an opportunity to respond and take action,” says Gardner, who remembers when her school’s art teacher “worked with our students and talked about art as empathy. And so our students made paper flowers that we mailed to the memorial.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Sept. 11 memorial itself suggests several activities that can help kids feel helpful, \u003ca href=\"https://911memorial.org/learn/youth-and-families/activities-home\">including making a first responder badge or survivor tree leaves\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Be prepared to share your feelings\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Megan Jones, vice president of education at the museum, says one thing has stood out to her this year about the questions she and her staff have been hearing from kids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the past, children’s curiosity has largely focused on the facts of that day. This year, though, “They’re asking, ‘What was it like for you? How did you feel after 9/11? When did you feel safe again?’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The reason for these questions this year, Jones says, is that today’s students are living through a new tragedy, one that has upended their lives and killed 650,000 grandparents and parents, brothers and sisters in the U.S. alone. Many children are feeling exhausted and frightened by the pandemic and may be grieving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jones says she hopes this COVID-19 generation of students finds solace — and reassurance — in the September 11 Memorial & Museum’s annual webinar for schools, which premieres Friday. More than 1 million people, most of them students, have already registered — nearly a threefold increase from last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This year, the webinar includes the voice of \u003ca href=\"https://www.911memorial.org/connect/blog/daughter-911-flight-captain-reflects-support-shown-her-following-attacks\">Brielle Saracini, who was just 10 years old on 9/11\u003c/a>. Her father, Victor Saracini, was piloting United Airlines Flight 175 when it was hijacked and flown into the south tower of the World Trade Center.[aside postID=news_11773638,lowdown_14066]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I just wanted to be normal,” Brielle Saracini says in a prerecorded video, remembering the days immediately after 9/11. “And I kind of internalized a lot of my grief. And grieving in public is very difficult, and so my way of dealing with it was just to kind of be quiet about it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, Saracini found joy, friendship and even her future husband at Camp Better Days, a camp for children who lost loved ones in the attacks. She has also persevered through a personal battle with cancer. Jones says Saracini’s story is one of resilience that will resonate with today’s COVID-19 generation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Young people are looking to a generation who did live through a world-changing event,” Jones says, “and they want to know that it’s possible to come out of it and how did we do it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the answers — that it\u003cem> is\u003c/em> possible but hard and that we have to help each other — are as relevant today as ever.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2023 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/\">NPR.org\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=How+To+Talk+About+9%2F11+With+A+New+Generation+Of+Kids&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Students today have no memory of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, so this year's anniversary poses unique challenges for educators and caregivers trying to explain what happened and why.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1694474396,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":30,"wordCount":1253},"headData":{"title":"How to Talk About 9/11 With a New Generation of Kids | KQED","description":"Students today have no memory of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, so this year's anniversary poses unique challenges for educators and caregivers trying to explain what happened and why.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"How to Talk About 9/11 With a New Generation of Kids","datePublished":"2023-09-11T19:00:33.000Z","dateModified":"2023-09-11T23:19:56.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"source":"NPR","sourceUrl":"https://www.npr.org/","nprImageCredit":"Spencer Platt","nprByline":"Sarah McCammon","nprImageAgency":"Getty Images","nprStoryId":"1035454983","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=1035454983&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/2021/09/09/1035454983/how-to-talk-about-9-11-with-a-new-generation-of-kids?ft=nprml&f=1035454983","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Mon, 11 Sep 2023 10:11:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Thu, 09 Sep 2021 16:39:00 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Mon, 11 Sep 2023 10:11:25 -0400","nprAudio":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/edge1.pod.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/atc/2021/09/20210910_atc_how_to_talk_about_911_with_a_new_generation_of_kids.mp3?orgId=1&topicId=1013&d=256&p=2&story=1035454983&awCollectionId=1&awEpisodeId=1035454983&ft=nprml&f=1035454983","nprAudioM3u":"http://api.npr.org/m3u/11036039884-cd9b5f.m3u?orgId=1&topicId=1013&d=256&p=2&story=1035454983&ft=nprml&f=1035454983","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11960606/how-to-talk-about-9-11-with-a-new-generation-of-kids","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/edge1.pod.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/atc/2021/09/20210910_atc_how_to_talk_about_911_with_a_new_generation_of_kids.mp3?orgId=1&topicId=1013&d=256&p=2&story=1035454983&awCollectionId=1&awEpisodeId=1035454983&ft=nprml&f=1035454983","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>When teacher Brandon Graves in Louisville, Ky., talks with his elementary school students about the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, he tells them where he was that day — in Washington, D.C., a freshman at Howard University, where he could smell smoke from the Pentagon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I liken it to, when I was that age, my parents and the adults around me would talk about where they were when Martin Luther King got killed,” Graves says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Teaching K-12 students about the attacks of 9/11 has always been difficult. But with the 22nd anniversary of the attacks this weekend, time has brought a new challenge: Students today have no memories of that day. So NPR checked in with educators and experts across the country for advice on how to approach 9/11 with kids for whom the attacks are simply \u003cem>history\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>First and foremost, keep it age-appropriate\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The Morningside Center for Teaching Social Responsibility offers several 9/11 lesson plans \u003ca href=\"https://www.morningsidecenter.org/teachable-moment/lessons/911-anniversary-teaching-guide-updated\">on its website\u003c/a> but says that “children ages 4 to 7 are too young for a lesson on September 11. They lack the knowledge to make sense of the attacks and their aftermath in any meaningful way.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Similarly, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.911memorial.org/learn/students-and-teachers/lesson-plans\">National September 11 Memorial & Museum \u003c/a>in New York City offers interactive lesson plans for students beginning in third grade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For children in grades three to five, Morningside recommends a brief, fact-based account of the day, including that nearly 3,000 people were killed:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\u003cem>“Explain that on September 11, 2001, a group of men took over two planes and flew them into the World Trade Center, a pair of skyscrapers in downtown Manhattan. After several enormous explosions, both buildings collapsed, killing almost 3,000 people. On that same day, two additional planes were hijacked by the same group. One was flown into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C., killing 125 people, while the other crashed in a field in Pennsylvania killing all on board. Though it was never proven, that last plane was thought to be on its way to the White House or the Capitol.”\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003ch3>Make room for discomfort\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Graves says the scale of pain and loss can understandably unsettle some young students. “They’re not used to that,” he says. “They’re used to stories geared toward kids, and so there’s a happy ending.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other educators note that, especially with older children, we often underestimate what they already know and what they can handle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We advise teachers to be bold, and be courageous in meeting the kids where they’re at,” says \u003ca href=\"https://www.morningsidecenter.org/our-staff\">Tala Manassah, deputy executive director \u003c/a>of the Morningside Center for Teaching Social Responsibility. “Sometimes the edges of our learning happen when we are uncomfortable.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This extends to how educators answer two very hard questions kids have always asked:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Be clear who the attackers were — and weren’t\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Emily Gardner, an elementary school librarian in Texas, says it’s important to be clear and specific when talking about the group of 19 men behind the attacks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re very careful to answer that question, that it’s al-Qaida, it’s a terrorist organization,” Gardner says. “It’s not Muslims. 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Jan Helson, the group’s co-founder, says it’s important to follow that “I don’t know” with, “But what we \u003cem>do\u003c/em> know is that really good people stood up to help us overcome those bad things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s why many of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.911memorial.org/learn/students-and-teachers/lesson-plans\">school materials created by the National September 11 Memorial & Museum\u003c/a> feature the stories of first responders who ran toward danger that day. It’s also important for kids to look not just for those helpers but to feel like they, too, can help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We give students an opportunity to respond and take action,” says Gardner, who remembers when her school’s art teacher “worked with our students and talked about art as empathy. And so our students made paper flowers that we mailed to the memorial.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Sept. 11 memorial itself suggests several activities that can help kids feel helpful, \u003ca href=\"https://911memorial.org/learn/youth-and-families/activities-home\">including making a first responder badge or survivor tree leaves\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Be prepared to share your feelings\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Megan Jones, vice president of education at the museum, says one thing has stood out to her this year about the questions she and her staff have been hearing from kids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the past, children’s curiosity has largely focused on the facts of that day. This year, though, “They’re asking, ‘What was it like for you? How did you feel after 9/11? 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Her father, Victor Saracini, was piloting United Airlines Flight 175 when it was hijacked and flown into the south tower of the World Trade Center.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11773638,lowdown_14066","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I just wanted to be normal,” Brielle Saracini says in a prerecorded video, remembering the days immediately after 9/11. “And I kind of internalized a lot of my grief. And grieving in public is very difficult, and so my way of dealing with it was just to kind of be quiet about it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, Saracini found joy, friendship and even her future husband at Camp Better Days, a camp for children who lost loved ones in the attacks. She has also persevered through a personal battle with cancer. Jones says Saracini’s story is one of resilience that will resonate with today’s COVID-19 generation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Young people are looking to a generation who did live through a world-changing event,” Jones says, “and they want to know that it’s possible to come out of it and how did we do it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the answers — that it\u003cem> is\u003c/em> possible but hard and that we have to help each other — are as relevant today as ever.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2023 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/\">NPR.org\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=How+To+Talk+About+9%2F11+With+A+New+Generation+Of+Kids&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11960606/how-to-talk-about-9-11-with-a-new-generation-of-kids","authors":["byline_news_11960606"],"categories":["news_18540","news_8"],"tags":["news_1849","news_20013","news_160"],"featImg":"news_11960607","label":"source_news_11960606"},"news_11905959":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11905959","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11905959","score":null,"sort":[1645411784000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"its-immoral-says-bay-area-lawyer-on-bidens-move-to-freeze-afghan-money-for-9-11-victims","title":"'It's Immoral' Says Bay Area Lawyer on Biden's Move to Distribute Afghan Money to 9/11 Victims","publishDate":1645411784,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>President Joe Biden signed an order on February 11 to free $7 billion in Afghan assets now frozen in the U.S., splitting the money between humanitarian aid for poverty-stricken Afghanistan and a fund for Sept. 11 victims still seeking relief for the terror attacks that killed thousands and shocked the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No money would immediately be released. But Biden’s order calls for banks to provide $3.5 billion of the frozen amount to a trust fund for distribution through humanitarian groups for Afghan relief and basic needs. The other $3.5 billion would stay in the U.S. to finance payments from lawsuits by U.S. victims of terrorism that are still working their way through the courts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nasirilaw.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Spojmie Nasiri\u003c/a>, a Bay Area lawyer born in Afghanistan, was on a U.S. military base assisting Afghan evacuees when she first heard about the order. \"My response ... is that it's illegal, it's immoral. It's unconscionable for Biden to issue this executive order,\" she told KQED.[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Spojmie Nasiri, lawyer\"]'This money doesn't belong to any government or any entity. In essence, that money belongs to the people of Afghanistan.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said the money includes currencies and bonds that the United States and other Western countries had donated to Afghanistan in the past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My stand is that it's unconscionable, immoral, and I think it's going to be litigated ... This money doesn't belong to any government or any entity. In essence, that money belongs to the people of Afghanistan.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nasiri said the Afghan diaspora has the responsibility to fight this injustice. \"Afghan people are being robbed over, and over, and over again. This is sort of like the last punch in the gut for the Afghan people,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She also emphasized that none of the people who hijacked airplanes during the September 11 terrorists attacks were Afghan. \"Afghanistan — the country as a whole were victims of Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>International funding to Afghanistan was suspended and billions of dollars of the country’s assets abroad, mostly in the United States, were frozen after the Taliban took control of the country in August as the U.S. military withdrew.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Biden’s plan aims to resolve a complex situation in which the U.S. is sitting on billions owned by a country where there is no government it recognizes, with competing appeals for the money for the crying needs of the Afghan people, and for families still scarred by the 2001 attacks.[aside postID=\"forum_2010101887009,news_11898843,news_11900415\" label=\"Related Posts\"]Brett Eagleson, whose father, Bruce, died in the attack on the World Trade Center, said that though victims’ families support the distribution of a large portion of the funds to the Afghan people, the remaining funds should be distributed fairly among the families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Anything short of equitable treatment for and among the 9/11 families as it relates to these frozen assets is outrageous and will be seen as a betrayal” by the government, Eagleson said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Justice Department had signaled months ago that the administration was poised to intervene in a federal lawsuit filed by 9/11 victims and families in New York City. The deadline for that filing had been pushed back until Friday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The families in that case won a U.S. court judgment in 2012 against the Taliban and some other entities. But other victims’ relatives also have ongoing lawsuits over the attacks, and a New York-based lawyer for about 500 families urged Friday that all be on equal footing for the fund.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s going to take a lot of funds to provide monetary compensation, but we’ll never make these people whole. Never,” said attorney Jerry S. Goldman.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afghanistan’s long-troubled economy has been in a tailspin since the Taliban takeover. Nearly 80% of the previous government’s budget came from the international community. That money, now cut off, financed hospitals, schools, factories and government ministries. Desperation for such basic necessities has been further exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic as well as health care shortages, drought and malnutrition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aid groups have warned of a looming humanitarian catastrophe. State employees, from doctors to teachers and administrative civil servants, haven’t been paid in months. Banks have restricted how much money account holders can withdraw.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. courts where 9/11 victims have filed claims against the Taliban will have to take additional action for victims and families to be compensated from the $3.5 billion, deciding whether they have a claim, according to senior administration officials who briefed reporters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Biden administration is still working through details of setting up the trust fund, an effort the White House says likely will take months.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because victims have ongoing legal claims on the $7 billion in the U.S. banking system, the courts would have to sign off before half the money for humanitarian assistance could be released to Afghanistan, the officials said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. launched the war in Afghanistan more than 20 years ago after then-Taliban leader Mullah Omar refused to hand over al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden following the 9/11 attacks on the United States. Bin Laden, who was born in Saudi Arabia but had his citizenship revoked, relocated to Afghanistan after being expelled from Sudan in 1996.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taliban political spokesperson Mohammad Naeem criticized the Biden administration for not releasing all the funds to Afghanistan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Stealing the blocked funds of Afghan nation by the United States of America and its seizure [of those funds] shows the lowest level of humanity ... of a country and a nation,” Naeem tweeted on Friday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Taliban have called on the international community to release funds and help stave off a humanitarian disaster.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Biden administration pushed back against criticism that all $7 billion — largely derived from donations by the U.S. and other nations to Afghanistan — should be released to Afghanistan, arguing that the 9/11 claimants under the U.S. legal system have a right to their day in court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afghanistan has more than $9 billion in reserves, including just over $7 billion in reserves held in the United States. The rest is largely in Germany, the United Arab Emirates and Switzerland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As of January the Taliban had managed to pay salaries of their ministries but were struggling to keep employees at work. They have promised to open schools for girls after the Afghan new year at the end of March, but humanitarian organizations say money is needed to pay teachers. Universities for women have reopened in several provinces with the Taliban saying the staggered opening will be completed by the end of February when all universities for women and men will open, a major concession to international demands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent months, Afghans have been able to withdraw only $200 weekly and that only in Afghanis, not in U.S. currency. Afghanistan’s economy has teetered on the verge of collapse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The United Nations last month issued an appeal for nearly $5 billion, its largest ever appeal for one country, estimating that nearly 90% of the country’s 38 million people were surviving below the poverty level of $1.90 a day. The U.N. also warned that upward of 1 million children risked starvation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.N. spokesperson Stéphane Dujarric said Friday night that the U.N. is “encouraged” by Biden’s executive order.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s also important to reiterate that humanitarian assistance alone will be insufficient to meet the tremendous needs of Afghan women and men and children over the long term, and it is critical that the Afghan economy is able to restart in order for these needs of the Afghan people to be met with a sustainable and meaningful manner,” Dujarric said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>David Miliband, head of the International Rescue Committee, on Wednesday urged release of the funds to prevent famine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The humanitarian community did not choose the government, but that is no excuse to punish the people, and there is a middle course: to help the Afghan people without embracing the new government,” Miliband said at a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing on the matter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This post includes additional reporting by KQED's Annelise Finney. Gannon reported from Kabul, Afghanistan. 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But Biden’s order calls for banks to provide $3.5 billion of the frozen amount to a trust fund for distribution through humanitarian groups for Afghan relief and basic needs. The other $3.5 billion would stay in the U.S. to finance payments from lawsuits by U.S. victims of terrorism that are still working their way through the courts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nasirilaw.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Spojmie Nasiri\u003c/a>, a Bay Area lawyer born in Afghanistan, was on a U.S. military base assisting Afghan evacuees when she first heard about the order. \"My response ... is that it's illegal, it's immoral. It's unconscionable for Biden to issue this executive order,\" she told KQED.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'This money doesn't belong to any government or any entity. 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The deadline for that filing had been pushed back until Friday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The families in that case won a U.S. court judgment in 2012 against the Taliban and some other entities. But other victims’ relatives also have ongoing lawsuits over the attacks, and a New York-based lawyer for about 500 families urged Friday that all be on equal footing for the fund.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s going to take a lot of funds to provide monetary compensation, but we’ll never make these people whole. Never,” said attorney Jerry S. Goldman.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afghanistan’s long-troubled economy has been in a tailspin since the Taliban takeover. Nearly 80% of the previous government’s budget came from the international community. That money, now cut off, financed hospitals, schools, factories and government ministries. 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Banks have restricted how much money account holders can withdraw.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. courts where 9/11 victims have filed claims against the Taliban will have to take additional action for victims and families to be compensated from the $3.5 billion, deciding whether they have a claim, according to senior administration officials who briefed reporters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Biden administration is still working through details of setting up the trust fund, an effort the White House says likely will take months.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because victims have ongoing legal claims on the $7 billion in the U.S. banking system, the courts would have to sign off before half the money for humanitarian assistance could be released to Afghanistan, the officials said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. launched the war in Afghanistan more than 20 years ago after then-Taliban leader Mullah Omar refused to hand over al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden following the 9/11 attacks on the United States. Bin Laden, who was born in Saudi Arabia but had his citizenship revoked, relocated to Afghanistan after being expelled from Sudan in 1996.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taliban political spokesperson Mohammad Naeem criticized the Biden administration for not releasing all the funds to Afghanistan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Stealing the blocked funds of Afghan nation by the United States of America and its seizure [of those funds] shows the lowest level of humanity ... of a country and a nation,” Naeem tweeted on Friday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Taliban have called on the international community to release funds and help stave off a humanitarian disaster.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Biden administration pushed back against criticism that all $7 billion — largely derived from donations by the U.S. and other nations to Afghanistan — should be released to Afghanistan, arguing that the 9/11 claimants under the U.S. legal system have a right to their day in court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afghanistan has more than $9 billion in reserves, including just over $7 billion in reserves held in the United States. The rest is largely in Germany, the United Arab Emirates and Switzerland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As of January the Taliban had managed to pay salaries of their ministries but were struggling to keep employees at work. They have promised to open schools for girls after the Afghan new year at the end of March, but humanitarian organizations say money is needed to pay teachers. Universities for women have reopened in several provinces with the Taliban saying the staggered opening will be completed by the end of February when all universities for women and men will open, a major concession to international demands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent months, Afghans have been able to withdraw only $200 weekly and that only in Afghanis, not in U.S. currency. Afghanistan’s economy has teetered on the verge of collapse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The United Nations last month issued an appeal for nearly $5 billion, its largest ever appeal for one country, estimating that nearly 90% of the country’s 38 million people were surviving below the poverty level of $1.90 a day. 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For writer, playwright and political commentator Wajahat Ali, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075283913/wajahat-alis-go-back-to-where-you-came-from-is-biting-and-funny-and-full-of-hear\">it’s also the title of his new book\u003c/a> — a memoir he calls \"a love letter to a country that doesn’t love us back.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The book traces Ali's childhood in Fremont through his activism as a UC Berkeley student after 9/11, and the challenges he’s faced as a son, a father and a writer. It chronicles his near-death from a heart condition, his young daughter getting cancer and his parents going to jail. The book is also, somehow, hysterically funny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ali shared some of his reflections about Islamophobia, humor and resilience with The California Report Magazine host Sasha Khokha.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Interview excerpts have been edited for brevity and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On representations of South Asians and Muslims in pop culture\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Growing up as a child of the '80s and '90s, I inhaled American pop culture. Growing up, you don't sit there and go, \"I am a Muslim Pakistani son of immigrants. I am left-handed and wearing Husky pants.\" You're like, \"I'm just a kid and I'm an American.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But you internalize being the other. You see movies where you are either the sidekick, the villain or you're completely invisible. Like action movies where Chuck Norris used to go to Middle Eastern countries and just blow up swaths of brown people all the time. He was the hero and you're rooting for him. Or you're watching that movie \"Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.\" Even then, as a 5-year-old, I'm like, \"This is not how my people are. We don't eat chilled monkey brains or drink eyeball soup.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But then you don't realize, oh, the joke's on me. I'm the bad guy. What does that do to your sense of self-worth, your self-esteem, your image of beauty? When you look at yourself in the mirror, do you love yourself or do you hate yourself? Are you taught to hate the color of your skin, the shape of your nose, your ethnic last name? Many people, without ever really thinking about it, internalize these images, for the rest of their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>An excerpt from \"Go Back to Where You Came From\":\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I'm about as American as chicken korma, apple pie, and chai, but even after forty years, I'm still told to \"go back.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Where, exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In America, who (and what) are you when you're both \"us\" and \"them\"? When I'm a native but seen as a foreigner? When I'm a citizen but also seen as a perpetual suspect? When I'm your neighbor but also seen as an invader? When I'm a cultural creator but also seen as an eraser of white identity and European civilization?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to mainstream code, I will never be \"ordinary\" or \"a real American\" from the \"Rust Belt\" (unless you consider California the heartland which, let's face it, no one does). My parents are seen by some as potential terrorists because they're from Pakistan, even though they've lived in this country for over forty years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Can I be a \"real\" American when I'm not white no matter how much Fair & Lovely cream I slather on my skin? The answer in 2022 is \"Yes, but with conditions.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I don't want conditional love. I want more from America and my fellow Americans.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11903778\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 832px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11903778 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/young-waj-fam-e1643842585110.jpeg\" alt=\"group family photo of 5 people\" width=\"832\" height=\"652\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/young-waj-fam-e1643842585110.jpeg 832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/young-waj-fam-e1643842585110-800x627.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/young-waj-fam-e1643842585110-160x125.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 832px) 100vw, 832px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A young Wajahat Ali (far left) with family, including his parents and grandmother. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Wajahat Ali)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>On life as a young Muslim in post-9/11 America\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>I was liberal in college and was, I guess you could say, an accidental activist. But a lot of it was book learning. Let me be blunt, and some people might not like to hear this, but a lot of those kids are good, well-intentioned kids who haven't lived those experiences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They read about poverty. They haven't tasted poverty. They read about oppression. They've never been oppressed. They're like cul-de-sac social justice warriors, right? Their heart is in the right place. Their mind is in the right place. I was like that, but I didn't really taste it. My [immigrant] parents tasted it. But they protected me. So I was kind of in a suburban, protected shell living the American dream. A kid who was at UC Berkeley and was thinking about going to law school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then 9/11 happened, and overnight we became citizens and suspects. Overnight, we became terrorists. The American story had a remake, and tag, Muslims were it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11903780\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 980px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11903780\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/9780393867978.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"980\" height=\"1480\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/9780393867978.jpg 980w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/9780393867978-800x1208.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/9780393867978-160x242.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 980px) 100vw, 980px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wajahat Ali's new memoir transforms a painful phrase into a hilarious exploration of Islamophobia and racism. \u003ccite>(Courtesy W.W. Norton and Co.)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>We were the villains. Not just Muslims, but those who look Muslim-y. All of a sudden the entire target was on our back. This country went mad after 9/11. This country went so crazy, we renamed french fries as freedom fries. This country went so nuts that they canceled Susan Sontag. They canceled the Dixie Chicks, who are like the whitest women on Earth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what do you think they were doing to Muslims? They were surveilling us. They were entrapping us. They went after our organizations. They went after our charities. What is the type of effect that has on Muslims? A chilling effect. Fear. There were hate crimes against Muslim women.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All this was happening as I was a student at UC Berkeley. Overnight I became this accidental activist and this representative of this thing called \"Islam\" and \"Muslims.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I learned then that we would have to be something called the \"moderate Muslim\" in order to be accepted by America. That meant condemning violent acts done by people we've never met. Even if we condemned violent acts, and no matter how nice and shiny, we were still seen as suspects. That's what happened, and we realized, \"Oh crap, we're not white. We're actually, for a brief moment, living the Black experience in America.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On 'actively investing' in joy and humor\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>I think humor is important for us to simply have catharsis, to have joy. For people of color to have joy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two things that have surprised people most about the book is that people didn't expect it to be so funny, and people didn't expect it to end on such a hopeful note, and they needed that hope. The hope that I try to give in the book is an earned hope, not a Hollywood Hallmark hope, where they tie on a bow at the end to make you feel better, like cotton candy. It tastes good for the moment, but afterwards you feel really bad and you get angry, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11903781\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11903781\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/Wajahat-Ali-author-photo-scaled-e1644023476196.jpg\" alt=\"profile headshot with bright pink background\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1282\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Author Wajahat Ali has written for The Atlantic, The Washington Post and The New York Times and appeared as a political commentator on CNN. \u003ccite>(Danin Dahlen/HuffPost)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Earned hope is confronting the demons, acknowledging them. Walking through the [forest] of horrors and then coming out with the scars and the wounds, but still standing. The journey of horrors, which is the life of so many Americans who still haven't tasted the American dream. They've lived the American nightmare. And this pandemic, which has flattened us but flattened us unequally and revealed the wonderful X-ray of this country — all of its goodness and badness — perfectly laid bare.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As so many are suffering, I have made the decision in life to actively invest in joy. You have to actively invest in it like exercise. You have to make the intention and then you have to develop the discipline, because for so many of us, we don't get joy, we don't get to laugh. Instead, the narrative that we were taught was suffer, but suffer well. Suffer but suffer proud. Suffer, but suffer silently. Smile, even though you're crying inside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When [our then-2-year-old daughter] Nusayba was diagnosed with cancer, my wife and I could have easily gone to this mental quicksand of, \"Why us? Why us? Why, God?\" You'll never receive an answer to that. That whisper eats away and destroys you. But instead, we said, \"This is life. Life happens.\" There's good and there's bad. Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. It's how we choose to confront it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11903779\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 960px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11903779\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/sleeping-dad-2015.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"960\" height=\"956\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/sleeping-dad-2015.jpeg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/sleeping-dad-2015-800x797.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/sleeping-dad-2015-160x159.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 960px) 100vw, 960px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wajahat Ali, a tired dad, in 2015. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Wajahat Ali)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I remember I used to sit there at night after my kids went to sleep during my daughter's stage-four cancer, where we didn't know if she'd survive. I imagined burying her. I imagined her dying. I imagined [calling her grandparents], saying she died, because I had to prepare myself as the father. But then I made the choice of imagining her alive and healthy, wearing her \"Encanto\" Isabella dress, full of life. I chose to invest in that story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even though it feels like you're on the edge of the cliff and the cliff is falling, you know, you never know, sometimes the page turns and brings with it a plot twist, and it leads to a better story. And [after being diagnosed with a serious heart condition], I should be dead. Literally, I should be dead. But here I am talking to you. Still alive. My daughter is still alive. So how can I not invest in hope?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In 'Go Back to Where You Came From,' South Bay author Wajahat Ali chronicles Islamophobia and family tragedy, but also gives a sense of hope he calls 'earned hope, not a Hollywood Hallmark hope.'","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1650654336,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":31,"wordCount":1615},"headData":{"title":"Wajahat Ali on His New Memoir and the Merits of Investing in Joy | KQED","description":"In 'Go Back to Where You Came From,' South Bay author Wajahat Ali chronicles Islamophobia and family tragedy, but also gives a sense of hope he calls 'earned hope, not a Hollywood Hallmark hope.'","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Wajahat Ali on His New Memoir and the Merits of Investing in Joy","datePublished":"2022-02-05T14:01:37.000Z","dateModified":"2022-04-22T19:05:36.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11903772 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11903772","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/02/05/wajahat-ali-on-his-new-memoir-and-the-merits-of-investing-in-joy/","disqusTitle":"Wajahat Ali on His New Memoir and the Merits of Investing in Joy","audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/f6a81d8b-84ef-4e26-aa2c-ae32016472f1/audio.mp3","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11903772/wajahat-ali-on-his-new-memoir-and-the-merits-of-investing-in-joy","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\"Go back to where you came from.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's an insult that, unfortunately, many of us have heard. For writer, playwright and political commentator Wajahat Ali, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075283913/wajahat-alis-go-back-to-where-you-came-from-is-biting-and-funny-and-full-of-hear\">it’s also the title of his new book\u003c/a> — a memoir he calls \"a love letter to a country that doesn’t love us back.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The book traces Ali's childhood in Fremont through his activism as a UC Berkeley student after 9/11, and the challenges he’s faced as a son, a father and a writer. It chronicles his near-death from a heart condition, his young daughter getting cancer and his parents going to jail. The book is also, somehow, hysterically funny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ali shared some of his reflections about Islamophobia, humor and resilience with The California Report Magazine host Sasha Khokha.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Interview excerpts have been edited for brevity and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On representations of South Asians and Muslims in pop culture\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Growing up as a child of the '80s and '90s, I inhaled American pop culture. Growing up, you don't sit there and go, \"I am a Muslim Pakistani son of immigrants. I am left-handed and wearing Husky pants.\" You're like, \"I'm just a kid and I'm an American.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But you internalize being the other. You see movies where you are either the sidekick, the villain or you're completely invisible. Like action movies where Chuck Norris used to go to Middle Eastern countries and just blow up swaths of brown people all the time. He was the hero and you're rooting for him. Or you're watching that movie \"Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.\" Even then, as a 5-year-old, I'm like, \"This is not how my people are. We don't eat chilled monkey brains or drink eyeball soup.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But then you don't realize, oh, the joke's on me. I'm the bad guy. What does that do to your sense of self-worth, your self-esteem, your image of beauty? When you look at yourself in the mirror, do you love yourself or do you hate yourself? Are you taught to hate the color of your skin, the shape of your nose, your ethnic last name? Many people, without ever really thinking about it, internalize these images, for the rest of their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>An excerpt from \"Go Back to Where You Came From\":\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I'm about as American as chicken korma, apple pie, and chai, but even after forty years, I'm still told to \"go back.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Where, exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In America, who (and what) are you when you're both \"us\" and \"them\"? When I'm a native but seen as a foreigner? When I'm a citizen but also seen as a perpetual suspect? When I'm your neighbor but also seen as an invader? When I'm a cultural creator but also seen as an eraser of white identity and European civilization?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to mainstream code, I will never be \"ordinary\" or \"a real American\" from the \"Rust Belt\" (unless you consider California the heartland which, let's face it, no one does). My parents are seen by some as potential terrorists because they're from Pakistan, even though they've lived in this country for over forty years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Can I be a \"real\" American when I'm not white no matter how much Fair & Lovely cream I slather on my skin? The answer in 2022 is \"Yes, but with conditions.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I don't want conditional love. I want more from America and my fellow Americans.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11903778\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 832px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11903778 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/young-waj-fam-e1643842585110.jpeg\" alt=\"group family photo of 5 people\" width=\"832\" height=\"652\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/young-waj-fam-e1643842585110.jpeg 832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/young-waj-fam-e1643842585110-800x627.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/young-waj-fam-e1643842585110-160x125.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 832px) 100vw, 832px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A young Wajahat Ali (far left) with family, including his parents and grandmother. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Wajahat Ali)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>On life as a young Muslim in post-9/11 America\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>I was liberal in college and was, I guess you could say, an accidental activist. But a lot of it was book learning. Let me be blunt, and some people might not like to hear this, but a lot of those kids are good, well-intentioned kids who haven't lived those experiences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They read about poverty. They haven't tasted poverty. They read about oppression. They've never been oppressed. They're like cul-de-sac social justice warriors, right? Their heart is in the right place. Their mind is in the right place. I was like that, but I didn't really taste it. My [immigrant] parents tasted it. But they protected me. So I was kind of in a suburban, protected shell living the American dream. A kid who was at UC Berkeley and was thinking about going to law school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then 9/11 happened, and overnight we became citizens and suspects. Overnight, we became terrorists. The American story had a remake, and tag, Muslims were it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11903780\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 980px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11903780\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/9780393867978.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"980\" height=\"1480\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/9780393867978.jpg 980w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/9780393867978-800x1208.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/9780393867978-160x242.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 980px) 100vw, 980px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wajahat Ali's new memoir transforms a painful phrase into a hilarious exploration of Islamophobia and racism. \u003ccite>(Courtesy W.W. Norton and Co.)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>We were the villains. Not just Muslims, but those who look Muslim-y. All of a sudden the entire target was on our back. This country went mad after 9/11. This country went so crazy, we renamed french fries as freedom fries. This country went so nuts that they canceled Susan Sontag. They canceled the Dixie Chicks, who are like the whitest women on Earth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So what do you think they were doing to Muslims? They were surveilling us. They were entrapping us. They went after our organizations. They went after our charities. What is the type of effect that has on Muslims? A chilling effect. Fear. There were hate crimes against Muslim women.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All this was happening as I was a student at UC Berkeley. Overnight I became this accidental activist and this representative of this thing called \"Islam\" and \"Muslims.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I learned then that we would have to be something called the \"moderate Muslim\" in order to be accepted by America. That meant condemning violent acts done by people we've never met. Even if we condemned violent acts, and no matter how nice and shiny, we were still seen as suspects. That's what happened, and we realized, \"Oh crap, we're not white. We're actually, for a brief moment, living the Black experience in America.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On 'actively investing' in joy and humor\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>I think humor is important for us to simply have catharsis, to have joy. For people of color to have joy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two things that have surprised people most about the book is that people didn't expect it to be so funny, and people didn't expect it to end on such a hopeful note, and they needed that hope. The hope that I try to give in the book is an earned hope, not a Hollywood Hallmark hope, where they tie on a bow at the end to make you feel better, like cotton candy. It tastes good for the moment, but afterwards you feel really bad and you get angry, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11903781\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11903781\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/Wajahat-Ali-author-photo-scaled-e1644023476196.jpg\" alt=\"profile headshot with bright pink background\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1282\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Author Wajahat Ali has written for The Atlantic, The Washington Post and The New York Times and appeared as a political commentator on CNN. \u003ccite>(Danin Dahlen/HuffPost)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Earned hope is confronting the demons, acknowledging them. Walking through the [forest] of horrors and then coming out with the scars and the wounds, but still standing. The journey of horrors, which is the life of so many Americans who still haven't tasted the American dream. They've lived the American nightmare. And this pandemic, which has flattened us but flattened us unequally and revealed the wonderful X-ray of this country — all of its goodness and badness — perfectly laid bare.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As so many are suffering, I have made the decision in life to actively invest in joy. You have to actively invest in it like exercise. You have to make the intention and then you have to develop the discipline, because for so many of us, we don't get joy, we don't get to laugh. Instead, the narrative that we were taught was suffer, but suffer well. Suffer but suffer proud. Suffer, but suffer silently. Smile, even though you're crying inside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When [our then-2-year-old daughter] Nusayba was diagnosed with cancer, my wife and I could have easily gone to this mental quicksand of, \"Why us? Why us? Why, God?\" You'll never receive an answer to that. That whisper eats away and destroys you. But instead, we said, \"This is life. Life happens.\" There's good and there's bad. Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. It's how we choose to confront it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11903779\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 960px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11903779\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/sleeping-dad-2015.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"960\" height=\"956\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/sleeping-dad-2015.jpeg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/sleeping-dad-2015-800x797.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/02/sleeping-dad-2015-160x159.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 960px) 100vw, 960px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wajahat Ali, a tired dad, in 2015. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Wajahat Ali)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I remember I used to sit there at night after my kids went to sleep during my daughter's stage-four cancer, where we didn't know if she'd survive. I imagined burying her. I imagined her dying. I imagined [calling her grandparents], saying she died, because I had to prepare myself as the father. But then I made the choice of imagining her alive and healthy, wearing her \"Encanto\" Isabella dress, full of life. I chose to invest in that story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even though it feels like you're on the edge of the cliff and the cliff is falling, you know, you never know, sometimes the page turns and brings with it a plot twist, and it leads to a better story. And [after being diagnosed with a serious heart condition], I should be dead. Literally, I should be dead. But here I am talking to you. Still alive. My daughter is still alive. So how can I not invest in hope?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11903772/wajahat-ali-on-his-new-memoir-and-the-merits-of-investing-in-joy","authors":["254","8637"],"programs":["news_26731"],"categories":["news_223","news_1169","news_8"],"tags":["news_1849","news_2067","news_27626","news_66","news_6086","news_22386","news_28682","news_29325","news_30623","news_30625","news_30626","news_30624","news_17597","news_30622"],"featImg":"news_11903775","label":"news_26731"},"news_11889011":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11889011","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11889011","score":null,"sort":[1631918007000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"rolling-through-california-a-family-kept-apart-how-9-11-changed-one-womans-life","title":"Rolling Through California; A Family Kept Apart; How 9/11 Changed One Woman's Life","publishDate":1631918007,"format":"audio","headTitle":"The California Report Magazine | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":26731,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Listen to this and more in-depth storytelling by subscribing to The California Report Magazine podcast.\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11888465/happiest-climate-change-song-ever-fantastic-negrito-and-rolling-through-california\">Fantastic Negrito: Rolling Through California\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Oakland-based artist Fantastic Negrito tells us about his new single featuring Miko Marks, \"Rolling Through California,\" a song that explores the dissonance between the California dream and the reality of living in our state today. The lyrics came to him a year ago, on the day that wildfire smoke turned skies red. “It felt apocalyptic and it felt like a message,” he says. “Looking at this blood-red sun, bloodshot sun in the sky, I wanted to tell the story of what was happening in the moment.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"routes-Site-routes-Post-components-Post-components-PostTitle-___PostTitle__title\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11888827/you-always-feel-that-someones-missing-how-a-trump-era-immigration-policy-has-kept-a-california-family-apart-for-two-years\">How a Trump-Era Immigration Policy Has Kept a California Family Apart for Two Years\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When you’ve been living in the U.S. undocumented, and you’re finally able to become a legal resident, it’s a huge relief. That’s what one father in the Central Valley city of Los Banos was hoping to feel. He followed the rules and went back to Mexico for the final step to apply for his green card: an interview at the U.S. Consulate. 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His wife and kids expected him back in a week or two, but he was stopped from returning by a restrictive Trump administration rule that blocked thousands of others too. Zaidee Stavely tells us how, two years later, his kids are still waiting to get their dad back.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11888875/how-standing-up-to-racism-after-9-11-changed-one-immigrant-teenagers-life\">How Standing Up to Racism After 9/11 Changed One Immigrant Teenager's Life\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>20 years ago, California Report host Sasha Khokha was a first year journalism student at Berkeley, and wanted to find out how the post 9/11 backlash against South Asians was affecting young people in my community. So she wrote a piece about an inspiring group of teenagers from Berkeley High for a publication called Asian Week. One of the young women she met and featured in the article was 17-year-old Fatima Shah. 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I wanted to find out how the backlash against South Asians — my own community — was affecting young people. So I visited Berkeley High School, where I met a group of teenagers combatting racism, bias, and fear among their peers. I wrote a \u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20070613101251/www.asianweek.com/2001_10_05/news_schools.html\">story for AsianWeek\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> that began like this:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>“Fatima Shah, 17, missed school last week because her father was afraid kids would spit on her. She had reason to worry. The Berkeley High School senior wears a Salwar-Kameeze, a traditional South Asian dress, and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, other students gave her dirty looks. Some told her she didn’t belong.”\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Fatima’s peers told me about similar experiences, including a student who was hit on the back of the head and had to be hospitalized for what was largely believed to be a hate attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenty years later, I caught up with Fatima Shah, who still lives in the Bay Area, to talk about her experiences after 9/11 and how they shaped her over the last two decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11888920\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11888920 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1920\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Fatima Shah, standing outside of Berkeley High School. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>'We felt really vulnerable'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Standing outside Berkeley High School, Fatima Shah gasped at how young the students looked to her. It triggered a flood of memories about how alienated she felt as a teenager — an ESL student and a recent immigrant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would spend a lot of my time thinking and just wishing to God, I will do anything to just fit in,” Shah said. “That was my biggest life goal was to blend in, not stand out, because it was not cool to stand out.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She remembers some of her classmates calling her \"dirty Muslim\" even before 9/11. It was hard to reconcile those experiences with Berkeley’s reputation as a liberal, open place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People want to find the enemy, and anyone that looks like the enemy, they become very easily targeted, even in communities like Berkeley,” Shah reflected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She had come to California from Pakistan just a few years before 9/11, on her 13th birthday. Her family of seven lived in a tiny apartment in Berkeley, and her dad supported them as a busboy in a restaurant. He agreed to let his daughters go to school, as long as they wore the traditional salwar kameez\u003ci>.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the attacks, though, Shah’s father insisted on keeping his daughters home from school. He read reports of \u003ca href=\"https://saalt.org/policy-change/post-9-11-backlash/\">attacks targeting South Asian and Muslim people\u003c/a> and wanted to protect his kids from potential danger. [pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation='Fatima Shah']'People want to find the enemy, and anyone that looks like the enemy, they become very easily targeted, even in communities like Berkeley.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There were a lot of incidents, and we felt really vulnerable,” Shah said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before the attacks, Shah had started participating in a student group at Berkeley High called \u003ca href=\"http://www.youthtogether.net/\">Youth Together\u003c/a>. Members of the group came to Shah’s house and convinced her dad to send the kids back to school. Though the principal was initially reluctant, Shah and other students lobbied to be able to hold a first-of-its-kind teach-in about South Asian and Muslim culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People would ask me a question like, ‘Oh, who's bin Laden?’ and ‘You're Muslim, but why don't you cover your hair?’ or ‘What’s the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim? You both have long hair.’” Shah remembered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shah’s mom brought biryani for her classmates to try, and the group put on an all-school assembly, performing dances and talking about their faith. [aside postID='mindshift_58481,forum_2010101884955,arts_13902779' label='More Coverage']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I remember very clearly being very anxious because I was on the stage. I have always wanted to blend in and here I am standing out. But at the same time, I felt a lot of excitement to talk about my experiences and [feel the crowd] supporting me,” Shah recalled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In the back of my head, I'm like, ‘Oh, I don't want to be attacked. I don't want somebody to throw something at me.’ I did not want to be booed off the stage because I couldn't speak English clearly,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We want other kids to know that we are as American as they are,” Shah said back in 2001, in the \u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20070613101251/www.asianweek.com/2001_10_05/news_schools.html\">AsianWeek article\u003c/a>. “It doesn’t matter if we dress differently. They said, ‘Go back to your country, your country is responsible.’ But they don’t even know where Pakistan is.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shah also recalls leading her classmates through an exercise to help them understand scapegoating.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She and other Youth Together students asked for a volunteer. They taped a sign reading “terrorist” to that person’s back, then asked others to shout out different stereotypes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Foreigner, box-cutter, rag-head, Aladdin!” the students chanted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Black and Latinx students said hearing from Shah and her fellow South Asian classmates taught them to see their peers in a new light, to realize that South Asian students also experienced racism and were subject to stereotypes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If I was that person, I’d feel real bad. I’d go home and start to cry,” said Bianca Watkins, a 15-year-old quoted in the 2001 AsianWeek article. Watkins volunteered to be the target in the scapegoating exercise and admitted that she had made stereotypical comments about Arab Americans and South Asians in the past. “But I take it all back now.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11888881\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11888881 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Two hands hold up a picture in a binder of a group of smiling teenagers.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1920\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A picture from Khokha's 2001 article about Fatima and Saima Shah (far right) and their peers, featured on the Berkeley South Asian Radical History Walking Tour, which is led by community historians. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Building alliances and allies\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Standing in front of her former high school, Shah looked at a picture from September 2001. It captured a group of South Asian students, smiling, some in turbans, some in salwar kameez, some in jeans. They were all wearing green armbands, another of the group’s efforts to show solidarity and create a feeling of safety and community. Students from many different backgrounds wore armbands that fall at Berkeley High to indicate that they were allies — whether that meant eating lunch with a South Asian or Muslim student or walking them home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A blond white guy will have it on his backpack. And then African American girls had it around her wrist,” Shah recounted. “It really created a community, a place for me where I felt safe.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shah said the armbands also helped her feel a sense of belonging as an American. The teach-ins allowed her to humanize herself to her classmates and focus on shared experience, not difference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Watching the students on campus today, in 2021, Shah said she has a message for them. “Become a friend with somebody that looks completely opposite of who they are in every possible way,” she said. “Become a friend with a Muslim student that looks completely different. Become a friend with ESL students that recently arrived to the country.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are so many commonalities in our experiences as teenagers. And yet there are two different planets that we live on, and it's amazing to coexist,” she said. [pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation='Anirvan Chatterjee, community historian']'I'm amazed that these recent immigrant kids, these working-class kids showed up in a new school, that they managed to build alliances between communities and they managed to help bring safety not only just for themselves but for every other targeted student in their school.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The story of Shah and the other Youth Together students is one of several featured on \u003ca href=\"https://www.berkeleysouthasian.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Berkeley’s South Asian Radical History walking tour\u003c/a>. Participants stop in front of Berkeley High, look at the picture of the students and hear the story of their courage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I'm amazed that these recent immigrant kids, these working-class kids showed up in a new school, that they managed to build alliances between communities and they managed to help bring safety not only just for themselves but for every other targeted student in their school,” said community historian Anirvan Chatterjee, who co-leads the tours with his wife, Barnali Ghosh. “One by one, white, African American, Latino, Asian American, mixed-race high school students, they all started putting on these green armbands. And little by little, the rate of attacks started to come down. They helped bring safety not only for themselves but for every other student at their school.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The lessons Shah learned about allyship through Youth Together pushed her to pursue a career in education. She went on to community college, then attended UC Berkeley. Today she’s a counselor at Berkeley City College. She mostly works with undocumented students, refugee students and English-language learners. She helps them figure out their higher education goals, apply to four-year colleges and find jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I like to humanize my students and hear them and connect with them,” Shah said, the same way that teach-in 20 years ago helped her high school peers humanize her. [ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She doesn’t see as many working-class South Asian students in Berkeley these days, she said. But she connects deeply with undocumented students and refugees from many countries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I help them break down their goals. So when I hear students say, ‘I just immigrated from Guatemala and I want to become a medical doctor,’ I say, ‘Good, that's a very admirable goal. But let's break it down to small goals. To learn the language so you can have a better foundation. It’s not gonna be right away. It’s gonna take these steps.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Shah said she still feels the sting of prejudice in the place she’s lived for decades now. She recently bought her own house in Albany, just north of Berkeley, and says some of her new neighbors asked her where she came from.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The question others you,” she said. “Then you're reminded that you have to prove yourself in so many ways to be American. 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I wanted to find out how the backlash against South Asians — my own community — was affecting young people. So I visited Berkeley High School, where I met a group of teenagers combatting racism, bias, and fear among their peers. I wrote a \u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20070613101251/www.asianweek.com/2001_10_05/news_schools.html\">story for AsianWeek\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> that began like this:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>“Fatima Shah, 17, missed school last week because her father was afraid kids would spit on her. She had reason to worry. The Berkeley High School senior wears a Salwar-Kameeze, a traditional South Asian dress, and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, other students gave her dirty looks. Some told her she didn’t belong.”\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Fatima’s peers told me about similar experiences, including a student who was hit on the back of the head and had to be hospitalized for what was largely believed to be a hate attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenty years later, I caught up with Fatima Shah, who still lives in the Bay Area, to talk about her experiences after 9/11 and how they shaped her over the last two decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11888920\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11888920 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1920\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_3975-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Fatima Shah, standing outside of Berkeley High School. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>'We felt really vulnerable'\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Standing outside Berkeley High School, Fatima Shah gasped at how young the students looked to her. It triggered a flood of memories about how alienated she felt as a teenager — an ESL student and a recent immigrant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would spend a lot of my time thinking and just wishing to God, I will do anything to just fit in,” Shah said. “That was my biggest life goal was to blend in, not stand out, because it was not cool to stand out.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She remembers some of her classmates calling her \"dirty Muslim\" even before 9/11. It was hard to reconcile those experiences with Berkeley’s reputation as a liberal, open place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People want to find the enemy, and anyone that looks like the enemy, they become very easily targeted, even in communities like Berkeley,” Shah reflected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She had come to California from Pakistan just a few years before 9/11, on her 13th birthday. Her family of seven lived in a tiny apartment in Berkeley, and her dad supported them as a busboy in a restaurant. He agreed to let his daughters go to school, as long as they wore the traditional salwar kameez\u003ci>.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the attacks, though, Shah’s father insisted on keeping his daughters home from school. He read reports of \u003ca href=\"https://saalt.org/policy-change/post-9-11-backlash/\">attacks targeting South Asian and Muslim people\u003c/a> and wanted to protect his kids from potential danger. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'People want to find the enemy, and anyone that looks like the enemy, they become very easily targeted, even in communities like Berkeley.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Fatima Shah","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There were a lot of incidents, and we felt really vulnerable,” Shah said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before the attacks, Shah had started participating in a student group at Berkeley High called \u003ca href=\"http://www.youthtogether.net/\">Youth Together\u003c/a>. Members of the group came to Shah’s house and convinced her dad to send the kids back to school. Though the principal was initially reluctant, Shah and other students lobbied to be able to hold a first-of-its-kind teach-in about South Asian and Muslim culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People would ask me a question like, ‘Oh, who's bin Laden?’ and ‘You're Muslim, but why don't you cover your hair?’ or ‘What’s the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim? You both have long hair.’” Shah remembered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shah’s mom brought biryani for her classmates to try, and the group put on an all-school assembly, performing dances and talking about their faith. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"mindshift_58481,forum_2010101884955,arts_13902779","label":"More Coverage "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I remember very clearly being very anxious because I was on the stage. I have always wanted to blend in and here I am standing out. But at the same time, I felt a lot of excitement to talk about my experiences and [feel the crowd] supporting me,” Shah recalled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In the back of my head, I'm like, ‘Oh, I don't want to be attacked. I don't want somebody to throw something at me.’ I did not want to be booed off the stage because I couldn't speak English clearly,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We want other kids to know that we are as American as they are,” Shah said back in 2001, in the \u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20070613101251/www.asianweek.com/2001_10_05/news_schools.html\">AsianWeek article\u003c/a>. “It doesn’t matter if we dress differently. They said, ‘Go back to your country, your country is responsible.’ But they don’t even know where Pakistan is.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shah also recalls leading her classmates through an exercise to help them understand scapegoating.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She and other Youth Together students asked for a volunteer. They taped a sign reading “terrorist” to that person’s back, then asked others to shout out different stereotypes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Foreigner, box-cutter, rag-head, Aladdin!” the students chanted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Black and Latinx students said hearing from Shah and her fellow South Asian classmates taught them to see their peers in a new light, to realize that South Asian students also experienced racism and were subject to stereotypes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If I was that person, I’d feel real bad. I’d go home and start to cry,” said Bianca Watkins, a 15-year-old quoted in the 2001 AsianWeek article. Watkins volunteered to be the target in the scapegoating exercise and admitted that she had made stereotypical comments about Arab Americans and South Asians in the past. “But I take it all back now.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11888881\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11888881 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Two hands hold up a picture in a binder of a group of smiling teenagers.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1920\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/09/IMG_4041-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A picture from Khokha's 2001 article about Fatima and Saima Shah (far right) and their peers, featured on the Berkeley South Asian Radical History Walking Tour, which is led by community historians. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Building alliances and allies\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Standing in front of her former high school, Shah looked at a picture from September 2001. It captured a group of South Asian students, smiling, some in turbans, some in salwar kameez, some in jeans. They were all wearing green armbands, another of the group’s efforts to show solidarity and create a feeling of safety and community. Students from many different backgrounds wore armbands that fall at Berkeley High to indicate that they were allies — whether that meant eating lunch with a South Asian or Muslim student or walking them home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A blond white guy will have it on his backpack. And then African American girls had it around her wrist,” Shah recounted. “It really created a community, a place for me where I felt safe.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shah said the armbands also helped her feel a sense of belonging as an American. The teach-ins allowed her to humanize herself to her classmates and focus on shared experience, not difference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Watching the students on campus today, in 2021, Shah said she has a message for them. “Become a friend with somebody that looks completely opposite of who they are in every possible way,” she said. “Become a friend with a Muslim student that looks completely different. Become a friend with ESL students that recently arrived to the country.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are so many commonalities in our experiences as teenagers. And yet there are two different planets that we live on, and it's amazing to coexist,” she said. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I'm amazed that these recent immigrant kids, these working-class kids showed up in a new school, that they managed to build alliances between communities and they managed to help bring safety not only just for themselves but for every other targeted student in their school.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Anirvan Chatterjee, community historian","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The story of Shah and the other Youth Together students is one of several featured on \u003ca href=\"https://www.berkeleysouthasian.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Berkeley’s South Asian Radical History walking tour\u003c/a>. Participants stop in front of Berkeley High, look at the picture of the students and hear the story of their courage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I'm amazed that these recent immigrant kids, these working-class kids showed up in a new school, that they managed to build alliances between communities and they managed to help bring safety not only just for themselves but for every other targeted student in their school,” said community historian Anirvan Chatterjee, who co-leads the tours with his wife, Barnali Ghosh. “One by one, white, African American, Latino, Asian American, mixed-race high school students, they all started putting on these green armbands. And little by little, the rate of attacks started to come down. They helped bring safety not only for themselves but for every other student at their school.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The lessons Shah learned about allyship through Youth Together pushed her to pursue a career in education. She went on to community college, then attended UC Berkeley. Today she’s a counselor at Berkeley City College. She mostly works with undocumented students, refugee students and English-language learners. She helps them figure out their higher education goals, apply to four-year colleges and find jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I like to humanize my students and hear them and connect with them,” Shah said, the same way that teach-in 20 years ago helped her high school peers humanize her. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She doesn’t see as many working-class South Asian students in Berkeley these days, she said. But she connects deeply with undocumented students and refugees from many countries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I help them break down their goals. So when I hear students say, ‘I just immigrated from Guatemala and I want to become a medical doctor,’ I say, ‘Good, that's a very admirable goal. But let's break it down to small goals. To learn the language so you can have a better foundation. It’s not gonna be right away. It’s gonna take these steps.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Shah said she still feels the sting of prejudice in the place she’s lived for decades now. She recently bought her own house in Albany, just north of Berkeley, and says some of her new neighbors asked her where she came from.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The question others you,” she said. “Then you're reminded that you have to prove yourself in so many ways to be American. It’s a lot of work.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Note: Sasha Khokha's partner is a teacher at Berkeley High School who was not on staff back in 2001.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11888875/how-standing-up-to-racism-after-9-11-changed-one-immigrant-teenagers-life","authors":["254"],"programs":["news_72","news_26731"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_1849","news_29910","news_29522","news_129","news_1101","news_28618","news_20601","news_28528","news_21121","news_24517","news_29911"],"featImg":"news_11888877","label":"news_26731"},"news_11773638":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11773638","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11773638","score":null,"sort":[1568231198000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"drifting-paper-sorting-through-scraps-of-9-11-and-what-the-day-left-us","title":"What 9/11 Means for Me: There Is No Going Back to What Was Before","publishDate":1568231198,"format":"image","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>[dropcap]W[/dropcap]e all carry some part of 9/11 with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's raw memory, of course: what we recall about where we were, our experiences that day, the devastation as we saw what unfolded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And there's something I'll call \"considered memory\": how we see that experience through the prism of all we've lived through, both privately as individuals and as a nation, since that date.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For me, honestly, I'm still puzzling over it. I've had an absorbing interest in our history for almost as long as I can remember, since a kids' Civil War book was put into my hands and I pronounced Potomac as \"POT-oh-mack.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As I've gotten older, I've come to understand that one attraction of history, especially the history of war, of conflict, of tragedy, is the recounting of the battle and the exploit in much the same way the epic-singers of old traveled from court to court to relate \"The Iliad.\" The battle and the exploit, the courage or failure of courage, themselves become the moral of the tale.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Often the recounting goes no further. The Light Brigade is forever charging the guns, always fulfilling a tragic destiny. But what then? What happens after Pickett's Charge is broken, after Appomattox, after the arms are stacked and the banners furled? What happens when we move beyond the sepia-tinted memories, the strains of elegiac strings, into the life that follows the battle?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \"what then?\" is what I think about. To the extent I'm thinking about what Sept. 11 means, that's what's on my mind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]M[/dropcap]y brother John and his family lived in Brooklyn, a little more than 2 miles southeast of the World Trade Center, on Sept. 11, 2001. The attacks and their aftermath, things heard and seen, were intimate and immediate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John's wife, Dawn, was just emerging from the subway when a jet screamed low overhead and vanished, followed by the sound of an explosion. Looking south from the corner, she could see the World Trade Center's North Tower had been hit.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'There's not a human mark on those scraps of paper. But they were handled by someone, somewhere, in a place we all saw destroyed. Touching them is like touching that place, touching that destruction, touching those who were lost.'\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>John was at work in Brooklyn and watched from a rooftop as a second jet roared across the harbor and struck the South Tower. On the street below, New York Fire Department units sped toward the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel to respond to the disaster across the river.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John and Dawn's neighborhood was downwind from the towers, and the blizzard of dust and paper unleashed when the buildings collapsed scattered scraps, documents and calendar pages everywhere. John told me later he would go around in the weeks after the attack and fill up sacks with the paper that had drifted to earth. At one point, he sent me a small bag with a few of the items he'd found.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I puzzle over these fragments. They're mundane: part of a financial firm's rules for handling trades. A blank visitor log for a government office. Design drawings for airport terminal signage. A page from a desk calendar (the date happens to be my birthday).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's not a human mark on those scraps of paper. But they were handled by someone, somewhere, in a place we all saw destroyed. Touching them is like touching that place, touching that destruction, touching those who were lost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"rectangular\" ids=\"11773650,11773647,11773646,11773645,11773644,11773643\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]S[/dropcap]o what's the \"what then?\" in our 9/11 story? One could say it's too early to tell and leave it at that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But is anyone anywhere really satisfied with any of the outcomes we know about? Our ceaseless wars? Our embrace of assassination and torture as a means of making \"the homeland\" secure? The cost to our liberties through the adoption of such measures?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The climax of \"The Odyssey\" is the hero's return home after an epic of misfortune. But it's more than a homecoming — it's occasion for revenge. Odysseus, his son and their allies slaughter the young men who have been courting his wife, Penelope, and despoiling his estate. But that's not the end of it. The fathers and brothers of the murdered suitors are bent on vengeance themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The goddess Athena, who has engineered Odysseus' return and his attack on the suitors, doesn't like what she sees brewing: an endless cycle of bloodshed and loss. She appeals to Zeus, her father, to stop it. He points out that she's distressed about her own handiwork, but says she's free to intervene.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Do as your heart desires,\" he says. \"But let me tell you how it should be done:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Now that royal Odysseus has taken his revenge,\u003cbr>\nlet both sides seal their pacts that he shall reign for life,\u003cbr>\nand let us purge their memories of the bloody slaughter\u003cbr>\nof their brothers and their sons. Let them be friends,\u003cbr>\ndevoted as in the old days. Let peace and wealth\u003cbr>\ncome cresting through the land.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Would that it were so simple, or that we had gods so direct about pulling the strings. What 9/11 means for me, more than anything, is that there is no going back to what was before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]I[/dropcap] went up in the World Trade Center twice. Once during a visit in 1985, once in August 2001, about four weeks before the attacks. I was with my son, Thom, and John and his son, Sean. We were on top of the South Tower.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a high place with a view and some history: We talked about the guy who had climbed the tower, and the guy who had walked a high-wire between the towers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Watching an airliner fly north over the Hudson, John recalled the story of an airline pilot who had, on a clear day, gotten off his flight path and flown his plane far too close to the towers and apparently lost his job over it. In fact, that conversation was the first thing that came to mind the morning of 9/11 when, standing in a San Francisco newsroom just before 6 a.m., I saw the first pictures of the North Tower after it had been hit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One other memory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I was at JFK airport, on a jet taxiing out to take off on a beautiful fall morning. The sun was just rising. I looked out my window and, far to the west, the towers caught that first stunning golden light. I still see them shining.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Editor's note: This is a revised version of an essay first written in 2011.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"But is anyone anywhere really satisfied with any of the outcomes we know about? Our ceaseless wars? Our embrace of assassination and torture as a means of making 'the homeland' secure? The cost to our liberties through the adoption of such measures?","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1568240570,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":true,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":29,"wordCount":1154},"headData":{"title":"What 9/11 Means for Me: There Is No Going Back to What Was Before | KQED","description":"But is anyone anywhere really satisfied with any of the outcomes we know about? Our ceaseless wars? 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I've had an absorbing interest in our history for almost as long as I can remember, since a kids' Civil War book was put into my hands and I pronounced Potomac as \"POT-oh-mack.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As I've gotten older, I've come to understand that one attraction of history, especially the history of war, of conflict, of tragedy, is the recounting of the battle and the exploit in much the same way the epic-singers of old traveled from court to court to relate \"The Iliad.\" The battle and the exploit, the courage or failure of courage, themselves become the moral of the tale.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Often the recounting goes no further. The Light Brigade is forever charging the guns, always fulfilling a tragic destiny. But what then? What happens after Pickett's Charge is broken, after Appomattox, after the arms are stacked and the banners furled? What happens when we move beyond the sepia-tinted memories, the strains of elegiac strings, into the life that follows the battle?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \"what then?\" is what I think about. To the extent I'm thinking about what Sept. 11 means, that's what's on my mind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">M\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>y brother John and his family lived in Brooklyn, a little more than 2 miles southeast of the World Trade Center, on Sept. 11, 2001. The attacks and their aftermath, things heard and seen, were intimate and immediate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John's wife, Dawn, was just emerging from the subway when a jet screamed low overhead and vanished, followed by the sound of an explosion. Looking south from the corner, she could see the World Trade Center's North Tower had been hit.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'There's not a human mark on those scraps of paper. But they were handled by someone, somewhere, in a place we all saw destroyed. Touching them is like touching that place, touching that destruction, touching those who were lost.'\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>John was at work in Brooklyn and watched from a rooftop as a second jet roared across the harbor and struck the South Tower. On the street below, New York Fire Department units sped toward the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel to respond to the disaster across the river.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John and Dawn's neighborhood was downwind from the towers, and the blizzard of dust and paper unleashed when the buildings collapsed scattered scraps, documents and calendar pages everywhere. John told me later he would go around in the weeks after the attack and fill up sacks with the paper that had drifted to earth. At one point, he sent me a small bag with a few of the items he'd found.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I puzzle over these fragments. They're mundane: part of a financial firm's rules for handling trades. A blank visitor log for a government office. Design drawings for airport terminal signage. A page from a desk calendar (the date happens to be my birthday).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's not a human mark on those scraps of paper. But they were handled by someone, somewhere, in a place we all saw destroyed. Touching them is like touching that place, touching that destruction, touching those who were lost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"rectangular","ids":"11773650,11773647,11773646,11773645,11773644,11773643","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">S\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>o what's the \"what then?\" in our 9/11 story? One could say it's too early to tell and leave it at that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But is anyone anywhere really satisfied with any of the outcomes we know about? Our ceaseless wars? Our embrace of assassination and torture as a means of making \"the homeland\" secure? The cost to our liberties through the adoption of such measures?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The climax of \"The Odyssey\" is the hero's return home after an epic of misfortune. But it's more than a homecoming — it's occasion for revenge. Odysseus, his son and their allies slaughter the young men who have been courting his wife, Penelope, and despoiling his estate. But that's not the end of it. The fathers and brothers of the murdered suitors are bent on vengeance themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The goddess Athena, who has engineered Odysseus' return and his attack on the suitors, doesn't like what she sees brewing: an endless cycle of bloodshed and loss. She appeals to Zeus, her father, to stop it. He points out that she's distressed about her own handiwork, but says she's free to intervene.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Do as your heart desires,\" he says. \"But let me tell you how it should be done:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Now that royal Odysseus has taken his revenge,\u003cbr>\nlet both sides seal their pacts that he shall reign for life,\u003cbr>\nand let us purge their memories of the bloody slaughter\u003cbr>\nof their brothers and their sons. Let them be friends,\u003cbr>\ndevoted as in the old days. Let peace and wealth\u003cbr>\ncome cresting through the land.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Would that it were so simple, or that we had gods so direct about pulling the strings. What 9/11 means for me, more than anything, is that there is no going back to what was before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">I\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp> went up in the World Trade Center twice. Once during a visit in 1985, once in August 2001, about four weeks before the attacks. I was with my son, Thom, and John and his son, Sean. We were on top of the South Tower.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a high place with a view and some history: We talked about the guy who had climbed the tower, and the guy who had walked a high-wire between the towers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Watching an airliner fly north over the Hudson, John recalled the story of an airline pilot who had, on a clear day, gotten off his flight path and flown his plane far too close to the towers and apparently lost his job over it. In fact, that conversation was the first thing that came to mind the morning of 9/11 when, standing in a San Francisco newsroom just before 6 a.m., I saw the first pictures of the North Tower after it had been hit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One other memory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I was at JFK airport, on a jet taxiing out to take off on a beautiful fall morning. The sun was just rising. I looked out my window and, far to the west, the towers caught that first stunning golden light. I still see them shining.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Editor's note: This is a revised version of an essay first written in 2011.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11773638/drifting-paper-sorting-through-scraps-of-9-11-and-what-the-day-left-us","authors":["222"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_223","news_8"],"tags":["news_1849","news_21884"],"featImg":"news_11773650","label":"news_72"},"news_11749134":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11749134","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11749134","score":null,"sort":[1558570710000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"american-taliban-lindh-of-marin-county-set-for-release-nearly-2-decades-after-9-11","title":"Marin's John Walker Lindh, 'American Taliban' Captured in 2001, Freed From Prison","publishDate":1558570710,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 9 a.m. Thursday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Walker Lindh, the Marin County man who became known as the \"American Taliban\" after he was captured by U.S. forces in the invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, was released on Thursday after nearly two decades in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But conditions imposed recently on Lindh's release make clear that authorities remain concerned about the threat he could pose once free.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh, now 38, was raised as Catholic, converting to Islam as a teenager after seeing the film \"Malcolm X\" and going overseas to study Arabic and the Quran. In November 2000, he went to Pakistan and from there made his way to Afghanistan. He joined the Taliban — an extremist Islamic movement that ruled Afghanistan at the time — and was with them on Sept. 11, 2001, when al-Qaida terrorists attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. attacked Afghanistan after the country failed to turn over al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Lindh was captured in a battle with Northern Alliance fighters in late 2001. He was present when a group of Taliban prisoners launched an attack that killed Johnny Micheal \"Mike\" Spann, a CIA officer who had been interrogating Lindh and other Taliban prisoners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='small' align='right' citation='Frank Lindh told KQED Forum host Dave Iverson in 2011']'I don't feel that John committed the kind of crimes he was accused of, and that many of your listeners and even you continue to believe that John committed. He did not commit terrorism, he never fought against the United States of America.'[/pullquote]Television footage of a bearded, wounded Lindh captured among Taliban fighters created an international sensation, and he was brought to the U.S. to face charges of conspiring to kill Spann and providing support to terrorists. Eventually, he struck a plea bargain in which he admitted illegally providing support to the Taliban but denied a role in Spann's death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh received a 20-year prison sentence. He served roughly 17 years and five months, including two months when he was in military detention. Federal inmates who exhibit good behavior typically serve 85 percent of their sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His probation officer asked the court to impose additional restrictions on Lindh while he remains on supervised release for the next three years. Lindh initially opposed but eventually acquiesced to the restrictions, which include monitoring software on his internet devices; requiring that his online communications be conducted in English and that he undergo mental health counseling; and forbidding him from possessing or viewing extremist material, holding a passport of any kind or leaving the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Authorities never specified their rationale for seeking such restrictions. A hearing on the issue was canceled after Lindh agreed to them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Bureau of Prisons said Lindh rejected an interview request submitted by The Associated Press, and his lawyer declined to comment. KQED efforts to reach his father, Frank Lindh, were unsuccessful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A Marin County Teenager Who Wanted to Travel to the Middle East\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11749330\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11749330\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-800x2985.jpg\" alt=\"A 14-year-old John Walker Lindh appears in this file photo. \" width=\"800\" height=\"2985\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-800x2985.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-160x597.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-322x1200.jpg 322w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY.jpg 549w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A 14-year-old John Walker Lindh appears in this file photo. \u003ccite>(Lindh Family/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2007, Frank Lindh \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17668932\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">told NPR\u003c/a> that his son was a proxy for Osama bin Laden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The entire country turned on our son as if he were the terrorist, as if he had perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. It was this overwhelming and emotional response, and it was like being in a vortex. It was a real nightmare for all of us in John's family,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh was one of three children: He has an older brother and a younger sister. At 17, Lindh, who \u003ca href=\"https://www.marinij.com/2019/05/20/a-generation-after-9-11-american-taliban-john-walker-lindh-leaves-prison-this-week/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">graduated from Tamiscal High School in Larkspur\u003c/a>, told his parents he wanted to go to Yemen to study Arabic, NPR reported.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I did with John research as best I could,\" said his mom, Marilyn Lindh. \"I talked to people about the school he was looking into to attend. And I got encouragement that it was safe and the fact that many kids go abroad to study.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But they didn't know he would go on to Pakistan and Afghanistan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nevertheless, Lindh's parents were criticized for poor parenting from angry emailers and for their residence in affluent Marin County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"All three of our kids have grown up here. The schools are good. The neighborhoods are friendly. It's got a strong community sense. There are good family values in Marin. There are very wealthy enclaves in Marin, but most people who live here are just middle-income people,\" said Frank Lindh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nearly a decade into his imprisonment, in May 2011, Frank Lindh told \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/201105250931/frank-lindh\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">KQED Forum\u003c/a> that his son remained \"the same young man he always was.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He's a nice kid. He's spiritual. He does his prayers every day. He's highly intellectual. He studies constantly. He's got a really very positive attitude, a sparkling sense of humor,\" he added. \"He's a wonderful son.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Emigrate to Ireland?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's unclear where Lindh will go when he is released. The Bureau of Prisons said it doesn't comment on individual release plans, citing safety, security and privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Foreign Policy \u003ca href=\"https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/23/john-walker-lindh-detainee-001-in-the-global-war-on-terror-will-go-free-in-two-years-what-then/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">reported\u003c/a> in June 2017 that Lindh, who got Irish citizenship in 2013, had considered potentially moving to Ireland after he got out, citing a Bureau of Prisons intelligence summary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Irish government could deny him a passport on grounds that he poses a threat to national security, the publication reported. Lindh's release conditions also prohibit him from holding a passport of any kind or leaving the U.S. while he remains on supervised release for the next three years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Behavior in Prison That's Cause for Concern?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=news_201105250931,news_201105261000]There have been reports that Lindh's behavior in prison has created cause for concern. Foreign Policy magazine reported in 2017 that an investigation by the National Counterterrorism Center found that Lindh \"continued to advocate for global jihad and to write and translate violent extremist texts.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A former inmate who knew Lindh from the time they spent at the same federal prison said he never heard Lindh espouse support for al-Qaida or indicate a risk for violence, but he found Lindh to be anti-social and awkward around others, with an unyielding, black-and-white view of religion. The inmate spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he wanted to avoid further stigmatization from his time in Lindh's prison unit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Michael Jensen, a terrorism researcher at the University of Maryland's National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, said it's clear the government has concerns about Lindh's mindset.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"For three years he's going to be watched like a hawk,\" Jensen said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='small' align='right' citation='Michael Jensen, terrorism researcher at University of Maryland']'For three years he's going to be watched like a hawk.'[/pullquote]He said Lindh represents an interesting test case, as he is on the leading edge of dozens of inmates who were convicted on terror-related offenses in the aftermath of Sept. 11 and are eligible for release in the next five years. He said there's little research to indicate the efficacy of de-radicalizing inmates with connections to radical Islam, but he said the research shows that recidivism rates for those connected to white supremacy and other forms of extremism are high.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh has been housed in Terre Haute, Indiana, with other Muslim inmates convicted on terror-related charges. The rationale was to keep those inmates from radicalizing others in the general prison population, Jensen said. Those inside the unit were supposed to be limited in their ability to communicate with each other.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"But the reality is these guys still talk to each other,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh, for his part, admitted his role and his wrongdoing in supporting the Taliban, but he and his family have bristled at any notion that he should be considered a terrorist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I don't feel that John committed the kind of crimes he was accused of, and that many of your listeners and even you continue to believe that John committed. He did not commit terrorism, he never fought against the United States of America,\" Frank Lindh told KQED Forum host Dave Iverson in May 2011. \"And I can't express contrition for things that my son didn't do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he was sentenced, Lindh said he never would have joined the Taliban if he fully understood what they were about. He also issued a short essay condemning acts of violence in the name of Islam that kill or harm innocent civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some have criticized Lindh's pending release. In March, the legislature in Alabama, where Spann grew up, adopted a resolution calling it \"an insult\" to Spann's \"heroic legacy and his remaining family members.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>NPR and KQED's Miranda Leitsinger, Scott Shafer and Tara Siler contributed to this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Lindh, who has an older brother and a younger sister, graduated from Tamiscal High School in Larkspur, and at age 17 told his parents he wanted to go to Yemen to study Arabic.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1558726110,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":39,"wordCount":1493},"headData":{"title":"Marin's John Walker Lindh, 'American Taliban' Captured in 2001, Freed From Prison | KQED","description":"Lindh, who has an older brother and a younger sister, graduated from Tamiscal High School in Larkspur, and at age 17 told his parents he wanted to go to Yemen to study Arabic.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Marin's John Walker Lindh, 'American Taliban' Captured in 2001, Freed From Prison","datePublished":"2019-05-23T00:18:30.000Z","dateModified":"2019-05-24T19:28:30.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11749134 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11749134","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2019/05/22/american-taliban-lindh-of-marin-county-set-for-release-nearly-2-decades-after-9-11/","disqusTitle":"Marin's John Walker Lindh, 'American Taliban' Captured in 2001, Freed From Prison","nprByline":"\u003cstrong>Associated Press\u003c/strong>","path":"/news/11749134/american-taliban-lindh-of-marin-county-set-for-release-nearly-2-decades-after-9-11","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 9 a.m. Thursday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Walker Lindh, the Marin County man who became known as the \"American Taliban\" after he was captured by U.S. forces in the invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, was released on Thursday after nearly two decades in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But conditions imposed recently on Lindh's release make clear that authorities remain concerned about the threat he could pose once free.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh, now 38, was raised as Catholic, converting to Islam as a teenager after seeing the film \"Malcolm X\" and going overseas to study Arabic and the Quran. In November 2000, he went to Pakistan and from there made his way to Afghanistan. He joined the Taliban — an extremist Islamic movement that ruled Afghanistan at the time — and was with them on Sept. 11, 2001, when al-Qaida terrorists attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. attacked Afghanistan after the country failed to turn over al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Lindh was captured in a battle with Northern Alliance fighters in late 2001. He was present when a group of Taliban prisoners launched an attack that killed Johnny Micheal \"Mike\" Spann, a CIA officer who had been interrogating Lindh and other Taliban prisoners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I don't feel that John committed the kind of crimes he was accused of, and that many of your listeners and even you continue to believe that John committed. He did not commit terrorism, he never fought against the United States of America.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"small","align":"right","citation":"Frank Lindh told KQED Forum host Dave Iverson in 2011","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Television footage of a bearded, wounded Lindh captured among Taliban fighters created an international sensation, and he was brought to the U.S. to face charges of conspiring to kill Spann and providing support to terrorists. Eventually, he struck a plea bargain in which he admitted illegally providing support to the Taliban but denied a role in Spann's death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh received a 20-year prison sentence. He served roughly 17 years and five months, including two months when he was in military detention. Federal inmates who exhibit good behavior typically serve 85 percent of their sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His probation officer asked the court to impose additional restrictions on Lindh while he remains on supervised release for the next three years. Lindh initially opposed but eventually acquiesced to the restrictions, which include monitoring software on his internet devices; requiring that his online communications be conducted in English and that he undergo mental health counseling; and forbidding him from possessing or viewing extremist material, holding a passport of any kind or leaving the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Authorities never specified their rationale for seeking such restrictions. A hearing on the issue was canceled after Lindh agreed to them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Bureau of Prisons said Lindh rejected an interview request submitted by The Associated Press, and his lawyer declined to comment. KQED efforts to reach his father, Frank Lindh, were unsuccessful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A Marin County Teenager Who Wanted to Travel to the Middle East\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11749330\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11749330\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-800x2985.jpg\" alt=\"A 14-year-old John Walker Lindh appears in this file photo. \" width=\"800\" height=\"2985\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-800x2985.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-160x597.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY-322x1200.jpg 322w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/05222019_John-Walker-Lindh-American-Taliban-Marin-County-NY.jpg 549w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A 14-year-old John Walker Lindh appears in this file photo. \u003ccite>(Lindh Family/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In 2007, Frank Lindh \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17668932\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">told NPR\u003c/a> that his son was a proxy for Osama bin Laden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The entire country turned on our son as if he were the terrorist, as if he had perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. It was this overwhelming and emotional response, and it was like being in a vortex. It was a real nightmare for all of us in John's family,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh was one of three children: He has an older brother and a younger sister. At 17, Lindh, who \u003ca href=\"https://www.marinij.com/2019/05/20/a-generation-after-9-11-american-taliban-john-walker-lindh-leaves-prison-this-week/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">graduated from Tamiscal High School in Larkspur\u003c/a>, told his parents he wanted to go to Yemen to study Arabic, NPR reported.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I did with John research as best I could,\" said his mom, Marilyn Lindh. \"I talked to people about the school he was looking into to attend. And I got encouragement that it was safe and the fact that many kids go abroad to study.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But they didn't know he would go on to Pakistan and Afghanistan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nevertheless, Lindh's parents were criticized for poor parenting from angry emailers and for their residence in affluent Marin County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"All three of our kids have grown up here. The schools are good. The neighborhoods are friendly. It's got a strong community sense. There are good family values in Marin. There are very wealthy enclaves in Marin, but most people who live here are just middle-income people,\" said Frank Lindh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nearly a decade into his imprisonment, in May 2011, Frank Lindh told \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/201105250931/frank-lindh\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">KQED Forum\u003c/a> that his son remained \"the same young man he always was.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He's a nice kid. He's spiritual. He does his prayers every day. He's highly intellectual. He studies constantly. He's got a really very positive attitude, a sparkling sense of humor,\" he added. \"He's a wonderful son.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Emigrate to Ireland?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's unclear where Lindh will go when he is released. The Bureau of Prisons said it doesn't comment on individual release plans, citing safety, security and privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Foreign Policy \u003ca href=\"https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/23/john-walker-lindh-detainee-001-in-the-global-war-on-terror-will-go-free-in-two-years-what-then/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">reported\u003c/a> in June 2017 that Lindh, who got Irish citizenship in 2013, had considered potentially moving to Ireland after he got out, citing a Bureau of Prisons intelligence summary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Irish government could deny him a passport on grounds that he poses a threat to national security, the publication reported. Lindh's release conditions also prohibit him from holding a passport of any kind or leaving the U.S. while he remains on supervised release for the next three years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Behavior in Prison That's Cause for Concern?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_201105250931,news_201105261000","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>There have been reports that Lindh's behavior in prison has created cause for concern. Foreign Policy magazine reported in 2017 that an investigation by the National Counterterrorism Center found that Lindh \"continued to advocate for global jihad and to write and translate violent extremist texts.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A former inmate who knew Lindh from the time they spent at the same federal prison said he never heard Lindh espouse support for al-Qaida or indicate a risk for violence, but he found Lindh to be anti-social and awkward around others, with an unyielding, black-and-white view of religion. The inmate spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he wanted to avoid further stigmatization from his time in Lindh's prison unit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Michael Jensen, a terrorism researcher at the University of Maryland's National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, said it's clear the government has concerns about Lindh's mindset.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"For three years he's going to be watched like a hawk,\" Jensen said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'For three years he's going to be watched like a hawk.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"small","align":"right","citation":"Michael Jensen, terrorism researcher at University of Maryland","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>He said Lindh represents an interesting test case, as he is on the leading edge of dozens of inmates who were convicted on terror-related offenses in the aftermath of Sept. 11 and are eligible for release in the next five years. He said there's little research to indicate the efficacy of de-radicalizing inmates with connections to radical Islam, but he said the research shows that recidivism rates for those connected to white supremacy and other forms of extremism are high.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh has been housed in Terre Haute, Indiana, with other Muslim inmates convicted on terror-related charges. The rationale was to keep those inmates from radicalizing others in the general prison population, Jensen said. Those inside the unit were supposed to be limited in their ability to communicate with each other.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"But the reality is these guys still talk to each other,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lindh, for his part, admitted his role and his wrongdoing in supporting the Taliban, but he and his family have bristled at any notion that he should be considered a terrorist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I don't feel that John committed the kind of crimes he was accused of, and that many of your listeners and even you continue to believe that John committed. He did not commit terrorism, he never fought against the United States of America,\" Frank Lindh told KQED Forum host Dave Iverson in May 2011. \"And I can't express contrition for things that my son didn't do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he was sentenced, Lindh said he never would have joined the Taliban if he fully understood what they were about. He also issued a short essay condemning acts of violence in the name of Islam that kill or harm innocent civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some have criticized Lindh's pending release. In March, the legislature in Alabama, where Spann grew up, adopted a resolution calling it \"an insult\" to Spann's \"heroic legacy and his remaining family members.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>NPR and KQED's Miranda Leitsinger, Scott Shafer and Tara Siler contributed to this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11749134/american-taliban-lindh-of-marin-county-set-for-release-nearly-2-decades-after-9-11","authors":["byline_news_11749134"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_1849","news_19537","news_1485","news_1484","news_1324"],"featImg":"news_11749315","label":"news"},"news_11079839":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11079839","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11079839","score":null,"sort":[1473436497000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bay-area-observes-15th-anniversary-of-911-attacks","title":"Bay Area Observes 15th Anniversary of 9/11 Attacks","publishDate":1473436497,"format":"image","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Sunday marks the 15th anniversary of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/news/usworld/911anniversary/\">terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001\u003c/a>. On that Tuesday morning, nearly 3,000 people died as hijackers crashed planes into the World Trade Center in New York City, the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, and a field in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Below is a roundup of ceremonies and remembrances taking place across the Bay Area on Sunday to observe the anniversary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’d like us to list an event, email us at \u003ca href=\"mailto:assignmentdesk@kqed.org\">assignmentdesk@kqed.org\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>San Francisco\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Citywide Remembrance Ceremony\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When:\u003c/strong> 6:45 a.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where:\u003c/strong> San Francisco Public Safety Building, 1245 3rd St.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details:\u003c/strong> The San Francisco Fire Department will unveil a piece of one of the World Trade towers, which will eventually be placed on public display at Fire Department Headquarters. The city's police and fire chiefs and Mayor Ed Lee will be in attendance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Local Station Remembrances\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>6:45 a.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Local fire stations around the city (find your local fire station \u003ca href=\"http://sf-fire.org/fire-station-locations\">here\u003c/a>)\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>Simultaneous moments of silence and a reading of the 343 New York City firefighters who died responding to the attacks on the World Trade Center\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Mark Bingham Toast\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>7 p.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Pilsner Inn, 225 Church St.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>Hosted by the San Francisco Fog Rugby Football Club in honor of \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/2014/03/04/story-of-flight-93-hero-mark-bingham-to-have-a-homecoming/\" target=\"_blank\">Mark Bingham\u003c/a>, a Bay Area native who died on Sept. 11 after leading passengers to fight the hijackers who had seized United Flight 93 with the apparent intent to crash it in Washington, D.C. See event's \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/1055138914606457/\">Facebook page\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>San Jose\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Citywide Remembrance Ceremony\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>11:30 a.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Cathedral Basilica of St. Joseph, 80 S. Market St.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>A one-hour Mass will be followed by a formal procession of South Bay first responders north on Market Street, ending with a bell-ringing ceremony at San Jose Fire Station 1. The city's police and fire chiefs and Mayor Sam Liccardo will speak along with city officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Palo Alto\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Multifaith Peace Walk and Picnic\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>1:30 p.m., with picnic beginning at 4:30 p.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Congregation Etz Chayim Synagogue and Spark Church, 4161 Alma St.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>2.5 mile walk with stops at various houses of worship. Concluding picnic includes free dinner, children's performances and a multifaith service. \u003ca href=\"http://www.multifaithpeace.org/\">Registration\u003c/a> is suggested but not required.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Oshman Family JCC's Day of Service and Remembrance\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>10:30 a.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Oshman Family JCC, \u003cspan class=\"_Xbe\">3921 Fabian Way\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>Includes various service activities benefiting veterans and first responders and additional off-site service events. \u003ca href=\"http://paloaltojcc.org/Events/national-day-of-service-and-remembrance\">Registration is required\u003c/a>.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>East Bay\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Lafayette Flag Brigade Remembrance and Candlelight Vigil\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>4 p.m., with candlelight vigil beginning at 7:15 p.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong> El Curtola Bridge over Highway 24 in Lafayette\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>Includes musical program, local speakers and educational displays on Sept. 11. See \u003ca href=\"http://www.nevereverforget911.com/\">Flag Brigade's website\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Events across the region will remember the nearly 3,000 people who died in day of terrorism.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1473460288,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":505},"headData":{"title":"Bay Area Observes 15th Anniversary of 9/11 Attacks | KQED","description":"Events across the region will remember the nearly 3,000 people who died in day of terrorism.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Bay Area Observes 15th Anniversary of 9/11 Attacks","datePublished":"2016-09-09T15:54:57.000Z","dateModified":"2016-09-09T22:31:28.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11079839 http://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11079839","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/09/09/bay-area-observes-15th-anniversary-of-911-attacks/","disqusTitle":"Bay Area Observes 15th Anniversary of 9/11 Attacks","nprStoryId":"493279296","path":"/news/11079839/bay-area-observes-15th-anniversary-of-911-attacks","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Sunday marks the 15th anniversary of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/news/usworld/911anniversary/\">terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001\u003c/a>. On that Tuesday morning, nearly 3,000 people died as hijackers crashed planes into the World Trade Center in New York City, the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, and a field in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Below is a roundup of ceremonies and remembrances taking place across the Bay Area on Sunday to observe the anniversary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’d like us to list an event, email us at \u003ca href=\"mailto:assignmentdesk@kqed.org\">assignmentdesk@kqed.org\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>San Francisco\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Citywide Remembrance Ceremony\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When:\u003c/strong> 6:45 a.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where:\u003c/strong> San Francisco Public Safety Building, 1245 3rd St.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details:\u003c/strong> The San Francisco Fire Department will unveil a piece of one of the World Trade towers, which will eventually be placed on public display at Fire Department Headquarters. The city's police and fire chiefs and Mayor Ed Lee will be in attendance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Local Station Remembrances\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>6:45 a.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Local fire stations around the city (find your local fire station \u003ca href=\"http://sf-fire.org/fire-station-locations\">here\u003c/a>)\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>Simultaneous moments of silence and a reading of the 343 New York City firefighters who died responding to the attacks on the World Trade Center\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Mark Bingham Toast\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>7 p.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Pilsner Inn, 225 Church St.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>Hosted by the San Francisco Fog Rugby Football Club in honor of \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/2014/03/04/story-of-flight-93-hero-mark-bingham-to-have-a-homecoming/\" target=\"_blank\">Mark Bingham\u003c/a>, a Bay Area native who died on Sept. 11 after leading passengers to fight the hijackers who had seized United Flight 93 with the apparent intent to crash it in Washington, D.C. See event's \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/1055138914606457/\">Facebook page\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>San Jose\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Citywide Remembrance Ceremony\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>11:30 a.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Cathedral Basilica of St. Joseph, 80 S. Market St.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>A one-hour Mass will be followed by a formal procession of South Bay first responders north on Market Street, ending with a bell-ringing ceremony at San Jose Fire Station 1. The city's police and fire chiefs and Mayor Sam Liccardo will speak along with city officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Palo Alto\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Multifaith Peace Walk and Picnic\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>1:30 p.m., with picnic beginning at 4:30 p.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Congregation Etz Chayim Synagogue and Spark Church, 4161 Alma St.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>2.5 mile walk with stops at various houses of worship. Concluding picnic includes free dinner, children's performances and a multifaith service. \u003ca href=\"http://www.multifaithpeace.org/\">Registration\u003c/a> is suggested but not required.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Oshman Family JCC's Day of Service and Remembrance\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>10:30 a.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong>Oshman Family JCC, \u003cspan class=\"_Xbe\">3921 Fabian Way\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>Includes various service activities benefiting veterans and first responders and additional off-site service events. \u003ca href=\"http://paloaltojcc.org/Events/national-day-of-service-and-remembrance\">Registration is required\u003c/a>.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>East Bay\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Lafayette Flag Brigade Remembrance and Candlelight Vigil\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When: \u003c/strong>4 p.m., with candlelight vigil beginning at 7:15 p.m.\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Where: \u003c/strong> El Curtola Bridge over Highway 24 in Lafayette\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Details: \u003c/strong>Includes musical program, local speakers and educational displays on Sept. 11. See \u003ca href=\"http://www.nevereverforget911.com/\">Flag Brigade's website\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11079839/bay-area-observes-15th-anniversary-of-911-attacks","authors":["11260"],"programs":["news_6944"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_1849"],"featImg":"news_11080954","label":"news_6944"},"news_131443":{"type":"posts","id":"news_131443","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"131443","score":null,"sort":[1396542375000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"san-francisco-911-dispatchers-protest-low-staffing-levels","title":"San Francisco 911 Dispatchers Protest Low Staffing Levels ","publishDate":1396542375,"format":"aside","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":6944,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>More than 100 emergency dispatchers and city workers gathered outside the \u003ca href=\"http://sfdem.org\" target=\"_blank\">San Francisco Department of Emergency Management\u003c/a> (SFDEM) building at Turk and Laguna streets Wednesday afternoon to protest low staffing levels.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Emergency dispatchers — city workers who answer 911 calls and route them to the correct public safety agency — took to the street holding picket signs (“911, Do you have an emergency? Please hold!”) and chanting slogans (“What do we want? More dispatchers! When do we want it? Now!”).\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_131460\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/04/dispatch-protest1.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-131460\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/04/dispatch-protest1.jpg\" alt=\"911 dispatchers and city workers rallied outside SFDEM on Wednesday (Photo by Adam Grossberg/KQED).\" width=\"640\" height=\"450\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">911 dispatchers and city workers rallied outside SFDEM on Wednesday (Adam Grossberg/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>One 911 dispatcher, Ron Davis, said that workers are regularly forced to work overtime “just to get us to minimum staffing levels.” Even when dispatchers work forced overtime, weekends and holidays, he said, the department is still sometimes below what he called minimum staffing levels. \"We want the city to hire more dispatchers,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t go out on holidays with my family, because I’m afraid if there’s an emergency and I call 911, I’ll sit on hold,” he said, speaking to a raucous crowd of protesters. “There should be enough people to answer 911 calls.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When there aren’t enough people to answer those calls, the callers are placed on hold. In California, there is a mandatory standard that all 911 calls be answered within 10 seconds. According to the protesting dispatchers, San Francisco doesn't always meet that standard. (Compliance drops to as low as 60 percent at some times of day, according to a release put out by the group.)\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\"> “If we don’t have adequate staffing for emergency dispatch, it is going to compromise public safety.”\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite>— SF Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi\u003c/cite>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>In addition to calls being placed on hold, understaffing increases the overall stress of an already stressful job, dispatch supervisor Anne Raskin said. 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Now!”).\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_131460\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/04/dispatch-protest1.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-131460\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/04/dispatch-protest1.jpg\" alt=\"911 dispatchers and city workers rallied outside SFDEM on Wednesday (Photo by Adam Grossberg/KQED).\" width=\"640\" height=\"450\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">911 dispatchers and city workers rallied outside SFDEM on Wednesday (Adam Grossberg/KQED).\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>One 911 dispatcher, Ron Davis, said that workers are regularly forced to work overtime “just to get us to minimum staffing levels.” Even when dispatchers work forced overtime, weekends and holidays, he said, the department is still sometimes below what he called minimum staffing levels. \"We want the city to hire more dispatchers,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t go out on holidays with my family, because I’m afraid if there’s an emergency and I call 911, I’ll sit on hold,” he said, speaking to a raucous crowd of protesters. “There should be enough people to answer 911 calls.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When there aren’t enough people to answer those calls, the callers are placed on hold. 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