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Photo: Harry Cabluck/AP\" title=\"Whole Foods has more than 300 stores and continues to expand. Photo: Harry Cabluck/AP\" width=\"560\" class=\"size-full wp-image-54635\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Whole Foods has more than 300 stores and continues to expand. Photo: Harry Cabluck/AP\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Post by \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/people/140874239/april-fulton\">April Fulton\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/01/16/169413848/whole-foods-founder-john-mackey-on-fascism-and-conscious-capitalism\">The Salt at NPR Food\u003c/a> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Listen to Part 1 of the story from NPR's Morning Edition (1/16/13):\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nWhole Foods Founder John Mackey On Fascism And 'Conscious Capitalism'\u003cbr>\n [audio src=\"http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/me/2013/01/20130116_me_13.mp3\"] \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/\">Whole Foods\u003c/a> has played a key role in propelling organic foods into the mainstream. The specialty supermarket chain has more than 300 stores and plans to continue expanding. But outspoken founder and co-CEO John Mackey is not the crunchy granola liberal one might conjure while perusing aisles of earnestly labeled blue corn chips and gently misted red peppers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, he's a self-styled libertarian: a vegan who sells sustainably raised meat, a man who compares the government's health care overhaul to \"fascism\" but wants to improve American diets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he thinks big businesses have an obligation to change customers' perception that big corporations are \"primarily selfish and greedy.\" (Not that he's opposed to profits. In fact, Whole Foods posted a \u003ca href=\"http://www.marketwatch.com/story/whole-foods-profit-up-49-raises-dividend-2012-11-07\">49 percent boost in quarterly earnings\u003c/a> in November.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mackey sat down with \u003cem>Morning Edition\u003c/em> host Steve Inskeep to discuss his philosophy and the \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/Conscious-Capitalism-Liberating-Heroic-Business/dp/1422144208\">new book\u003c/a> he co-authored, \u003cem>Conscious Capitalism\u003c/em>. Part 1 airs Wednesday, Part 2 on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Listen to Part 2 of the story from NPR's Morning Edition (1/17/13):\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nWhole Foods CEO Expects Health Care Costs To Rise\u003cbr>\n [audio src=\"http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/me/2013/01/20130117_me_14.mp3\"] \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mackey tells Inskeep that companies must have a higher purpose than just making money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_54636\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 224px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/01/johnmackey.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/01/johnmackey-224x300.jpg\" alt=\"John Mackey is co-CEO and co-founder of Whole Foods Market and co-founder of the nonprofit Conscious Capitalism, Inc. Photo: Whole Foods Market/Courtesy Harvard Business Review Press\" title=\"John Mackey is co-CEO and co-founder of Whole Foods Market and co-founder of the nonprofit Conscious Capitalism, Inc. Photo: Whole Foods Market/Courtesy Harvard Business Review Press\" width=\"224\" height=\"300\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-54636\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Mackey is co-CEO and co-founder of Whole Foods Market and co-founder of the nonprofit Conscious Capitalism, Inc. Photo: Whole Foods Market/Courtesy Harvard Business Review Press\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For example, when Whole Foods decided it wanted to stop selling overfished species of cod and octopus at its seafood counters, it didn't just abruptly cut off its suppliers. Instead, the company gave its suppliers three years to come up with a better way of fishing; during that time, the seafood stayed for sale — but with a label of \"unsustainable.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, Whole Foods, working with the \u003ca href=\"http://www.msc.org/\">Marine Stewardship Council\u003c/a> (we'll have much more on them later), was able to find one supplier of sustainable cod.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You take a risk when you do that because some of your customers ... who don't care about sustainability, they're going to go shop at your competitor's store who has the fish, so you lose some business that way,\" Mackey says. \"But it was the right thing to do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What he doesn't think is right is President Obama's health overhaul and the new costs that coverage requirements will place on businesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Inskeep asks him if he still thinks the health law is a form of socialism, as he's \u003ca href=\"http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html\">said before\u003c/a>, Mackey responds:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Technically speaking, it's more like fascism. Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn't own the means of production, but they do control it — and that's what's happening with our health care programs and these reforms.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/books/titles/169411919/conscious-capitalism-liberating-the-heroic-spirit-of-business\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/01/conscious-capitalism-199x300.jpg\" alt=\"Conscious Capitalism by John Mackey and Raj Sisodia\" title=\"Conscious Capitalism by John Mackey and Raj Sisodia\" width=\"199\" height=\"300\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-54637\">\u003c/a>Still, Mackey sees room to cooperate with the administration on another front: efforts to reform the American diet, a pet project of first lady Michelle Obama.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People in America are addicted to sugar, and to fat and to salt,\" he says, and as a nation, it's holding us back. \"Food is intensely pleasurable, and people are afraid that if they change the way they eat, they'll stop having pleasure.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, he acknowledges how hard it can be to stick to a health-conscious diet. Restaurant meals, he says, rarely meet his personal dietary rules — not just no meat, but also no oil or refined flour. Luckily, Mackey jokes, there's a Whole Foods to be found wherever he travels.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So our question to you, dear readers, is this: How big a role does a business leader's personal philosophy play in your decision to buy products from his or her company? Tell us in the comments section below. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2013 \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/\">National Public Radio\u003c/a>.\u003c/em> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>TRANSCRIPT FROM MORNING EDITION PROGRAM (Part 1):\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>STEVE INSKEEP, HOST: \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When you start your own company, it becomes an extension of yourself, an expression of your habits, your beliefs, your quirks. When John Mackey started a health food grocery store decades ago, he hoped to make it an extension of his values. Now that John Mackey's Whole Foods market is a nationwide chain with countless customers, stockholders and suppliers to please, that is hard work. Yet Mackey still tries to do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And in a new book, he defends the virtues of capitalism, even if capitalism's vices have been exposed in recent years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JOHN MACKEY: Even if its goal is to maximize profits, it's not as if business can just do whatever the hell it wants to do, because people exchange with it voluntarily, and that acts to discipline some of the selfishness and greed that a corporation might have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: John Mackey is co-author of a new book called \"Conscious Capitalism.\" It's sort of a new-age capitalist credo about how companies can become enlightened, and along the way improve the public's image of big corporations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>How did large corporations fall into such public disfavor?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: The biggest reason is people have a tendency to distrust what is large and powerful. But then I think mostly, it's the philosophy of why business exists in the first place. That philosophy of maximizing profits and shareholder value means that many people see corporations as primarily selfish and greedy, that they're out there just to make as much money as possible, and they don't apparently care about anybody else.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that's a caricature. I don't think it's completely accurate. But business has not done enough to disavow that. It has not been able to embrace a more comprehensive, positive philosophy, which is what our book tries to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Aren't there a lot of corporations that do focus primarily on maximizing shareholder value and, in fact, they think that the whole legal framework of the United States requires them to be that way?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: Many corporations do think that way. But because business is inherently connected through stakeholders and to interdependent systems, you can't maximize profits unless you are creating value for your customers. The art of good conscious business leadership is to look for the win-win-win-win strategies so that all the stakeholders can simultaneously be winning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: You said another thing there: conscious business. What do you mean by a conscious business?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: A conscious business is one who understands, one, that it has a higher purpose besides just making money, and number two, it understands how these stakeholders are connected together in a larger business system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Can you think of a moment in the last couple of decades where you felt that you faced a decision point, a choice - you know, I could make more money this way, but I would become the evil company I don't ever want to be?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: I think you face those choices on a regular basis. Seldom in the decisions that you make in business is it clearly black-and-white, good-versus-evil. Mostly, it's kind of on the fringe, on the periphery. But our company made a decision to get rid of what we call unsustainable seafood, red-rated seafood species that Monterey Bay Aquarium and Blue Ocean Institute - two organizations we work with - had labeled these species as unsustainable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: They're being overfished.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: They're being overfished. Exactly. So we labeled it unsustainable, and we made a decision that we would phase them out. I think it was over a three-year period.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: What were some of the fish that I would have found at a Whole Foods seafood counter that were labeled this way?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: Octopus, cod, Atlantic cod, which used to be the most abundant fish in the Western Hemisphere. In pre-Columbian times, it was the basis of the whole New England fishing industry, and 95 percent of the stocks are down from what they were a couple hundred years ago. So those are a couple of examples. And we actually are very proud of the fact that we discontinued selling those species.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some people were very happy about that, but then again you take a risk when you do that, because some of your customers are going to go shop - who don't care about sustainability - they're going to go shop at your competitor's store who has the fish. So you lose some business that way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Every phase of that decision must have been complicated. You said that you decided to phase it out, which meant that for a while, you were labeling these products and selling them, anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: And being criticized for doing so.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: For being a gradualist, basically.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: Well, the advantage of doing it that way is it's a compromise. You have your internal argument, your internal discussion, where the seafood people might be saying we can't afford to lose those sales, and the other people saying we can't afford to continue to sell fish that's not sustainable. So the compromise is, is OK, we're going to get rid of it, but we'll give you three years to find a sustainable alternative to it - a substitute, so to speak.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, in fact, in the case of cod, for example, we found the Marine Stewardship Council, which is a sustainability certifying agency, international, that Whole Foods has worked with for years, actually was able to certify one fishery of cod as sustainable. So we were able to still sell cod from this sustainable fishery. That was a good example of by giving it a little bit of time, our buyers were able to find an alternative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Because, in the end, you're in a marketplace, and you need to make a profit, whatever your values might be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: No. You've, once again, gone back to the tradeoff thinking, that there must be conflict. There must be a tradeoff that has to happen here, whereas I've just given you the opposite. I've given you an example where we were able to do the win-win, where we were able to maintain sustainability at the same time that we were able to meet our customers' desire to have this seafood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Well, it was a compromise, as you said, to use your word.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: It was a compromise internally while we sought the win-win. Sometimes there are tradeoffs, but that's just a failure of creativity, a failure of imagination. In this example, there was no failure. We were able to find the win-win.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: And I'm just thinking in terms of trying to do business while keeping a higher purpose in mind. Everybody knows about the effect that activist stockholders have had on corporations that do have to look over their shoulders and think about shareholder value and make difficult decisions with that in mind. Since you've been public for a couple of decades, I'm curious how, if at all, you've been able to dodge the occasional investor who says: Look, you're wasting a lot of money on these idealistic schemes. I want a better dividend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: We haven't necessarily dodged it. The investors, of course, do want us to make more money, and they do want higher dividends and they want the stock price to go up. But I will say on balance that the investor-stakeholder is the easiest stakeholder to get along with. The stakeholder that complains the most, of course, are our customers. We have a lot more customers than we have investors in our company, and they have lots of alternatives in the marketplace they can shop at. So they're not shy to tell us what they don't like when we're doing things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Why aren't you selling this product? Why are you charging that price?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: Yes. Or why are you selling that product? Like, even in this conversation today, when I said, well, we're going phase out the red-rated species over a three-year period, customers want lower prices and higher quality. Employees want higher wages and better benefits and better working conditions. Suppliers want to give fewer discounts and want you to pick up more of their products. Communities want more donations. Governments want higher taxes. Investors want higher dividends and higher stock price. Every one of the stakeholders wants more. They always want more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: John Mackey is co-CEO of Whole Foods Market. As we've heard, he speaks his mind, and a few years ago, Mackey famously warned against President Obama's healthcare plan, writing an article that included the word socialism. When we spoke with Mackey, he'd moved on to another word for the health law: fascism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: In fascism, the government doesn't own the means of production, but they do control it. And that's what's happening with these reforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: And we'll hear that argument from John Mackey tomorrow, as we continue our conversation right here on MORNING EDITION, from NPR News.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\n\u003cem>Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright National Public Radio.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The outspoken Whole Foods founder tells us why he hates \"Obamacare\" and why we have trouble cutting the sugar, fat and salt out of our diets. What would you like to tell him? 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Photo: Harry Cabluck/AP\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Post by \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/people/140874239/april-fulton\">April Fulton\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/01/16/169413848/whole-foods-founder-john-mackey-on-fascism-and-conscious-capitalism\">The Salt at NPR Food\u003c/a> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Listen to Part 1 of the story from NPR's Morning Edition (1/16/13):\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nWhole Foods Founder John Mackey On Fascism And 'Conscious Capitalism'\u003cbr>\n \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"src":"http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/me/2013/01/20130116_me_13.mp3","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/\">Whole Foods\u003c/a> has played a key role in propelling organic foods into the mainstream. The specialty supermarket chain has more than 300 stores and plans to continue expanding. But outspoken founder and co-CEO John Mackey is not the crunchy granola liberal one might conjure while perusing aisles of earnestly labeled blue corn chips and gently misted red peppers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, he's a self-styled libertarian: a vegan who sells sustainably raised meat, a man who compares the government's health care overhaul to \"fascism\" but wants to improve American diets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he thinks big businesses have an obligation to change customers' perception that big corporations are \"primarily selfish and greedy.\" (Not that he's opposed to profits. In fact, Whole Foods posted a \u003ca href=\"http://www.marketwatch.com/story/whole-foods-profit-up-49-raises-dividend-2012-11-07\">49 percent boost in quarterly earnings\u003c/a> in November.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mackey sat down with \u003cem>Morning Edition\u003c/em> host Steve Inskeep to discuss his philosophy and the \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/Conscious-Capitalism-Liberating-Heroic-Business/dp/1422144208\">new book\u003c/a> he co-authored, \u003cem>Conscious Capitalism\u003c/em>. Part 1 airs Wednesday, Part 2 on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Listen to Part 2 of the story from NPR's Morning Edition (1/17/13):\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nWhole Foods CEO Expects Health Care Costs To Rise\u003cbr>\n \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"src":"http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/me/2013/01/20130117_me_14.mp3","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mackey tells Inskeep that companies must have a higher purpose than just making money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_54636\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 224px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/01/johnmackey.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/01/johnmackey-224x300.jpg\" alt=\"John Mackey is co-CEO and co-founder of Whole Foods Market and co-founder of the nonprofit Conscious Capitalism, Inc. Photo: Whole Foods Market/Courtesy Harvard Business Review Press\" title=\"John Mackey is co-CEO and co-founder of Whole Foods Market and co-founder of the nonprofit Conscious Capitalism, Inc. Photo: Whole Foods Market/Courtesy Harvard Business Review Press\" width=\"224\" height=\"300\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-54636\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Mackey is co-CEO and co-founder of Whole Foods Market and co-founder of the nonprofit Conscious Capitalism, Inc. Photo: Whole Foods Market/Courtesy Harvard Business Review Press\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For example, when Whole Foods decided it wanted to stop selling overfished species of cod and octopus at its seafood counters, it didn't just abruptly cut off its suppliers. Instead, the company gave its suppliers three years to come up with a better way of fishing; during that time, the seafood stayed for sale — but with a label of \"unsustainable.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, Whole Foods, working with the \u003ca href=\"http://www.msc.org/\">Marine Stewardship Council\u003c/a> (we'll have much more on them later), was able to find one supplier of sustainable cod.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"You take a risk when you do that because some of your customers ... who don't care about sustainability, they're going to go shop at your competitor's store who has the fish, so you lose some business that way,\" Mackey says. \"But it was the right thing to do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What he doesn't think is right is President Obama's health overhaul and the new costs that coverage requirements will place on businesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Inskeep asks him if he still thinks the health law is a form of socialism, as he's \u003ca href=\"http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html\">said before\u003c/a>, Mackey responds:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Technically speaking, it's more like fascism. Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn't own the means of production, but they do control it — and that's what's happening with our health care programs and these reforms.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/books/titles/169411919/conscious-capitalism-liberating-the-heroic-spirit-of-business\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/01/conscious-capitalism-199x300.jpg\" alt=\"Conscious Capitalism by John Mackey and Raj Sisodia\" title=\"Conscious Capitalism by John Mackey and Raj Sisodia\" width=\"199\" height=\"300\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-54637\">\u003c/a>Still, Mackey sees room to cooperate with the administration on another front: efforts to reform the American diet, a pet project of first lady Michelle Obama.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"People in America are addicted to sugar, and to fat and to salt,\" he says, and as a nation, it's holding us back. \"Food is intensely pleasurable, and people are afraid that if they change the way they eat, they'll stop having pleasure.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, he acknowledges how hard it can be to stick to a health-conscious diet. Restaurant meals, he says, rarely meet his personal dietary rules — not just no meat, but also no oil or refined flour. Luckily, Mackey jokes, there's a Whole Foods to be found wherever he travels.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So our question to you, dear readers, is this: How big a role does a business leader's personal philosophy play in your decision to buy products from his or her company? Tell us in the comments section below. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Copyright 2013 \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/\">National Public Radio\u003c/a>.\u003c/em> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>TRANSCRIPT FROM MORNING EDITION PROGRAM (Part 1):\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>STEVE INSKEEP, HOST: \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When you start your own company, it becomes an extension of yourself, an expression of your habits, your beliefs, your quirks. When John Mackey started a health food grocery store decades ago, he hoped to make it an extension of his values. Now that John Mackey's Whole Foods market is a nationwide chain with countless customers, stockholders and suppliers to please, that is hard work. Yet Mackey still tries to do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And in a new book, he defends the virtues of capitalism, even if capitalism's vices have been exposed in recent years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JOHN MACKEY: Even if its goal is to maximize profits, it's not as if business can just do whatever the hell it wants to do, because people exchange with it voluntarily, and that acts to discipline some of the selfishness and greed that a corporation might have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: John Mackey is co-author of a new book called \"Conscious Capitalism.\" It's sort of a new-age capitalist credo about how companies can become enlightened, and along the way improve the public's image of big corporations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>How did large corporations fall into such public disfavor?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: The biggest reason is people have a tendency to distrust what is large and powerful. But then I think mostly, it's the philosophy of why business exists in the first place. That philosophy of maximizing profits and shareholder value means that many people see corporations as primarily selfish and greedy, that they're out there just to make as much money as possible, and they don't apparently care about anybody else.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that's a caricature. I don't think it's completely accurate. But business has not done enough to disavow that. It has not been able to embrace a more comprehensive, positive philosophy, which is what our book tries to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Aren't there a lot of corporations that do focus primarily on maximizing shareholder value and, in fact, they think that the whole legal framework of the United States requires them to be that way?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: Many corporations do think that way. But because business is inherently connected through stakeholders and to interdependent systems, you can't maximize profits unless you are creating value for your customers. The art of good conscious business leadership is to look for the win-win-win-win strategies so that all the stakeholders can simultaneously be winning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: You said another thing there: conscious business. What do you mean by a conscious business?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: A conscious business is one who understands, one, that it has a higher purpose besides just making money, and number two, it understands how these stakeholders are connected together in a larger business system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Can you think of a moment in the last couple of decades where you felt that you faced a decision point, a choice - you know, I could make more money this way, but I would become the evil company I don't ever want to be?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: I think you face those choices on a regular basis. Seldom in the decisions that you make in business is it clearly black-and-white, good-versus-evil. Mostly, it's kind of on the fringe, on the periphery. But our company made a decision to get rid of what we call unsustainable seafood, red-rated seafood species that Monterey Bay Aquarium and Blue Ocean Institute - two organizations we work with - had labeled these species as unsustainable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: They're being overfished.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: They're being overfished. Exactly. So we labeled it unsustainable, and we made a decision that we would phase them out. I think it was over a three-year period.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: What were some of the fish that I would have found at a Whole Foods seafood counter that were labeled this way?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: Octopus, cod, Atlantic cod, which used to be the most abundant fish in the Western Hemisphere. In pre-Columbian times, it was the basis of the whole New England fishing industry, and 95 percent of the stocks are down from what they were a couple hundred years ago. So those are a couple of examples. And we actually are very proud of the fact that we discontinued selling those species.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some people were very happy about that, but then again you take a risk when you do that, because some of your customers are going to go shop - who don't care about sustainability - they're going to go shop at your competitor's store who has the fish. So you lose some business that way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Every phase of that decision must have been complicated. You said that you decided to phase it out, which meant that for a while, you were labeling these products and selling them, anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: And being criticized for doing so.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: For being a gradualist, basically.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: Well, the advantage of doing it that way is it's a compromise. You have your internal argument, your internal discussion, where the seafood people might be saying we can't afford to lose those sales, and the other people saying we can't afford to continue to sell fish that's not sustainable. So the compromise is, is OK, we're going to get rid of it, but we'll give you three years to find a sustainable alternative to it - a substitute, so to speak.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, in fact, in the case of cod, for example, we found the Marine Stewardship Council, which is a sustainability certifying agency, international, that Whole Foods has worked with for years, actually was able to certify one fishery of cod as sustainable. So we were able to still sell cod from this sustainable fishery. That was a good example of by giving it a little bit of time, our buyers were able to find an alternative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Because, in the end, you're in a marketplace, and you need to make a profit, whatever your values might be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: No. You've, once again, gone back to the tradeoff thinking, that there must be conflict. There must be a tradeoff that has to happen here, whereas I've just given you the opposite. I've given you an example where we were able to do the win-win, where we were able to maintain sustainability at the same time that we were able to meet our customers' desire to have this seafood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Well, it was a compromise, as you said, to use your word.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: It was a compromise internally while we sought the win-win. Sometimes there are tradeoffs, but that's just a failure of creativity, a failure of imagination. In this example, there was no failure. We were able to find the win-win.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: And I'm just thinking in terms of trying to do business while keeping a higher purpose in mind. Everybody knows about the effect that activist stockholders have had on corporations that do have to look over their shoulders and think about shareholder value and make difficult decisions with that in mind. Since you've been public for a couple of decades, I'm curious how, if at all, you've been able to dodge the occasional investor who says: Look, you're wasting a lot of money on these idealistic schemes. I want a better dividend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: We haven't necessarily dodged it. The investors, of course, do want us to make more money, and they do want higher dividends and they want the stock price to go up. But I will say on balance that the investor-stakeholder is the easiest stakeholder to get along with. The stakeholder that complains the most, of course, are our customers. We have a lot more customers than we have investors in our company, and they have lots of alternatives in the marketplace they can shop at. So they're not shy to tell us what they don't like when we're doing things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: Why aren't you selling this product? Why are you charging that price?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: Yes. Or why are you selling that product? Like, even in this conversation today, when I said, well, we're going phase out the red-rated species over a three-year period, customers want lower prices and higher quality. Employees want higher wages and better benefits and better working conditions. Suppliers want to give fewer discounts and want you to pick up more of their products. Communities want more donations. Governments want higher taxes. Investors want higher dividends and higher stock price. Every one of the stakeholders wants more. They always want more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: John Mackey is co-CEO of Whole Foods Market. As we've heard, he speaks his mind, and a few years ago, Mackey famously warned against President Obama's healthcare plan, writing an article that included the word socialism. When we spoke with Mackey, he'd moved on to another word for the health law: fascism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MACKEY: In fascism, the government doesn't own the means of production, but they do control it. And that's what's happening with these reforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>INSKEEP: And we'll hear that argument from John Mackey tomorrow, as we continue our conversation right here on MORNING EDITION, from NPR News.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\n\u003cem>Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright National Public Radio.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/bayareabites/54631/whole-foods-founder-john-mackey-on-fascism-and-conscious-capitalism","authors":["byline_bayareabites_54631"],"categories":["bayareabites_1875","bayareabites_10916","bayareabites_2035","bayareabites_34"],"tags":["bayareabites_11047","bayareabites_1270","bayareabites_96","bayareabites_10921","bayareabites_3063","bayareabites_9405"],"featImg":"bayareabites_54632","label":"bayareabites"},"bayareabites_31398":{"type":"posts","id":"bayareabites_31398","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"bayareabites","id":"31398","score":null,"sort":[1313508604000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"whole-foods-parking-lot-remixed-and-revisited","title":"Whole Foods Parking Lot: Remixed and Revisited","publishDate":1313508604,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Bay Area Bites | KQED Food","labelTerm":{"site":"bayareabites"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/08/djdave-wholefoods-parkinglot.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/08/djdave-wholefoods-parkinglot.jpg\" alt=\"DJDave in Whole Foods Parking Lot\" title=\"DJDave in Whole Foods Parking Lot\" width=\"560\" height=\"281\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-31643\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two months ago \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2011/06/15/its-gettin-real-in-the-whole-foods-parking-lot/\">Bay Area Bites introduced readers\u003c/a> to a bit of fun created by (and starring) DJDave called \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UFc1pr2yUU\">Whole Foods Parking Lot\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anyone else still got that supermarket song produced by the artist collective \u003ca href=\"http://www.fogandsmog.com/\">Fog and Smog\u003c/a> stuck in their head? \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cobject width=\"560\" height=\"349\">\u003cparam name=\"movie\" value=\"http://www.youtube.com/v/2UFc1pr2yUU?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0\">\u003cparam name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\">\u003cparam name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\">\u003cembed src=\"http://www.youtube.com/v/2UFc1pr2yUU?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0\" type=\"application/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"560\" height=\"349\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" allowfullscreen=\"true\">\u003c/embed>\u003c/object>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Readers may recall the mock rage rap chronicles the story of a hipster in a Clipper hat, cruising through the parking lot of Whole Foods in Venice, California in his Prius, trying to find a parking space so he can stock up on overpriced Kombucha, kale, quinoa, and Pinot Noir at \u003cdel datetime=\"2011-08-14T21:27:25+00:00\">Whole Pay Check\u003c/del>, Whole Foods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, some 2.6 million people have watched the YouTube video, DJDave's sung his song live, and it's spawned several remixes, some with their own memorable lines. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cobject width=\"560\" height=\"349\">\u003cparam name=\"movie\" value=\"http://www.youtube.com/v/idG_Odfk9fI?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0\">\u003cparam name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\">\u003cparam name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\">\u003cembed src=\"http://www.youtube.com/v/idG_Odfk9fI?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0\" type=\"application/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"560\" height=\"349\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" allowfullscreen=\"true\">\u003c/embed>\u003c/object>\u003cbr>\nA personal favorite of this reporter's: from Delia Brown's \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idG_Odfk9fI\">Revenge of the Black Prius\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>You're gangsta 'cause your shirt is made of hemp, hey?\u003cbr>\nI'm wearing a tampon made of tempeh.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The phenomenon has been covered by food bloggers, music critics, and major media, including \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/06/18/whole-foods-parking-lot-video-gives-supermarket-a-hip-hop-beat/\">The Wall Street Journal\u003c/a>\u003c/em> and \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/foods-parking-lot-qa-supermarket-203893\">The Hollywood Reporter\u003c/a>\u003c/em>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://bites.today.com/_news/2011/06/15/6867034-even-whole-foods-loves-whole-foods-parking-lot\">Whole Foods has gone on record\u003c/a> as loving the rough ride, no doubt subscribing to that old adage, bad publicity is better than no publicity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cobject width=\"560\" height=\"349\">\u003cparam name=\"movie\" value=\"http://www.youtube.com/v/GG568Q7-tkE?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0\">\u003cparam name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\">\u003cparam name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\">\u003cembed src=\"http://www.youtube.com/v/GG568Q7-tkE?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0\" type=\"application/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"560\" height=\"349\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" allowfullscreen=\"true\">\u003c/embed>\u003c/object>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's even some local intrigue: The singer-composer behind the catchy tune has copped a bit of good-natured flak from fellow rapper and homeboy LaeCharles Lawrence for not being \"Berkeley enough.\" LaeCharles, a former Whole Foods employee, has made his own \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG568Q7-tkE\">Berkeley-centric remix\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Natch, the two duel it out in a follow-up rap with plenty of insider references to keep the locals happy (\u003ca href=\"http://www.edibleschoolyard.org/\">Edible Schoolyard\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.themenupage.com/cancun.html\">Cancun\u003c/a>, and the recently shuttered \u003ca href=\"http://www.marioslafiesta.com/\">Mario's La Fiesta\u003c/a>) in a hip hop number called, not surprisingly, \u003ca href=\"http://www.fogandsmog.com/dj-dave-u-not-berkley-enough-feat-laecharles/\">U not Berkeley enough\u003c/a>, with lyrics like: \u003cem>What do you mean dude? I still eat organic food\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cobject height=\"81\" width=\"100%\">\u003cparam name=\"movie\" value=\"http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F20512675\">\u003cparam name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\">\u003cembed allowscriptaccess=\"always\" height=\"81\" src=\"http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F20512675\" type=\"application/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"100%\">\u003c/embed>\u003c/object> \u003cspan>\u003ca href=\"http://soundcloud.com/djdavewittman/djdave-u-not-berkeley-enough\">DJDave, U not BERKELEY Enough... Feat. LaeCharles\u003c/a> by \u003ca href=\"http://soundcloud.com/djdavewittman\">djdavewittman\u003c/a>\u003c/span> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Area Bites caught up with \u003ca href=\"http://www.davidwittman.com/\">David Wittman\u003c/a> (aka DJDave) this week to get the scoop on the past few weeks and his more than 15 minutes of fame during a break filming an American Airlines commercial, which he scored the music for and appears in as a percussionist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When we first spoke some 300,000 people had tuned in to listen to your Whole Foods blues. Now you're well on your way to 3 million viewers. Are you surprised?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The numbers are creeping up but we thought it was funny and people would click on it and enjoy it. What's surprised us is the media attention it has generated--the \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/whole-foods-parking-lot-youtube-rap_n_876782.html\">Huffington Post\u003c/a> picked it up, \u003ca href=\"http://ryanseacrest.com/2011/06/14/guy-raps-about-the-impossible-task-of-parking-at-whole-foods-video/\">Ryan Seacrest\u003c/a> tweeted it, a bunch of celebrities have come out saying they like it. What I like best is the number of kids who love it. We've fielded comments like \"thumbs up if your mom played this for you.\" And people send us videos of little children, 4- or 5 year-olds, singing along to the chorus. I guess their parents play it and the kids pick up on the cadence and melodic hook.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Have you heard from Whole Foods?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They contacted me early on. I thought it was going to be a cease and desist kind of thing but they just wanted permission to put it on their site. Most people there thought it was funny, though I think some people still cringe at the \u003cem>80 bucks for 6 things\u003c/em> line. They've embraced it. And why shouldn't they? It's been good for their brand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How many remixes has the rap song spawned and can you point us to a favorite?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There have been about 15 or 20 house remixes and a \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SuO7BzaArQ&feature=youtu.be&a\">video remix\u003c/a> with some pretty cool color manipulation and reconstructed mash up of Dr. Dre beats.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My favorite remix is by LaeCharles, whom I met last weekend while I was up in Berkeley deejaying at a friend's wedding at the Lawrence Hall of Science. He had this little dig at me about my Berkeley credentials in his version, which was the impetus for my follow-up song. But he's a big-hearted, creative, cool guy. We shot some footage together and we're talking about doing something with it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any personal highlights for you over the past couple of months as result of this rap?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nIt doesn't get any better than \u003ca href=\"http://www.clubzone.com/events/380169/los-angeles/eden/too-short-whole-foods-parking-lot\">opening for Too $hort\u003c/a>, a hometown legend whom I've listened to since I was 12, at a club called Eden in L.A.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Some people don't get what the fuss is about or even think your video is funny. And about 600 have disliked your song on the YouTube site. Your thoughts?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nSometimes I'm surprised by just how many people laugh at it because it's a particular humor with a lot of personal references about a specific environment, stage of life, and kinds of products. It's not for everyone, and that doesn't bother me, you can't win them all. What I don't like is when people accuse me of ripping someone else off or appropriating another culture. I'm just trying to have a bit of fun doing something original with the musical influences I grew up with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Can you even set foot in a Whole Foods store without people approaching you or parroting your lines back at you?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Funny you should ask that. My girl and I thought it might be a little crazy the first time we went back to the Whole Foods where we shot this video. I can report that it was underwhelming, basically zero response, which was reassuring in its own way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You're a professional composer. Have companies hit up the collective to help them create a catchy tune for their products?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We've been approached by companies who sell yoga stuff, skateboards, wine, and a health and wellness center. We're considering everything but we want to wait for the right opportunity with the right musical fit and sensibility for us. We also have ideas as a collective for things we want to do on our own, this was supposed to be a creative outlet from our day jobs, not a money maker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's the most out there offer that's come your way since this clip hit the Internet?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I've been approached by casting directors from each of the major networks about the potential for a series. I'm not an actor. But I'm talking to agents and keeping my options open. That said, I'm not some wide-eyed kid. I've got a good job, a fiancee, and a rhythm and flow to my life. I'm staying grounded and honest. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Have any perks come your way as a result of this creative endeavor?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I got sent some Humboldt fog cheese, Kombucha, and a case of wine, mostly Pinot Noirs for under $20. Whole Foods sent a small gift certificate. These are just nice nods. We didn't do this video expecting any kind of financial compensation. But these things are like cash to me 'cause they're on my shopping list anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What have you most enjoyed from this experience?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's been a fun ride. The best part has been getting emails from people that say stuff like \"Thanks for making me laugh, that was fresh.\" I dig it and I write back to everyone.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"DJDave, the creator of the smash hit Whole Foods Parking Lot, on the unexpected success, remixes, and riffs on his little rap video that went viral.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1313595520,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":36,"wordCount":1243},"headData":{"title":"Whole Foods Parking Lot: Remixed and Revisited | KQED","description":"DJDave, the creator of the smash hit Whole Foods Parking Lot, on the unexpected success, remixes, and riffs on his little rap video that went viral.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"31398 http://blogs.kqed.org/bayareabites/?p=31398","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2011/08/16/whole-foods-parking-lot-remixed-and-revisited/","disqusTitle":"Whole Foods Parking Lot: Remixed and Revisited","path":"/bayareabites/31398/whole-foods-parking-lot-remixed-and-revisited","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/08/djdave-wholefoods-parkinglot.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/08/djdave-wholefoods-parkinglot.jpg\" alt=\"DJDave in Whole Foods Parking Lot\" title=\"DJDave in Whole Foods Parking Lot\" width=\"560\" height=\"281\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-31643\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two months ago \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2011/06/15/its-gettin-real-in-the-whole-foods-parking-lot/\">Bay Area Bites introduced readers\u003c/a> to a bit of fun created by (and starring) DJDave called \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UFc1pr2yUU\">Whole Foods Parking Lot\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anyone else still got that supermarket song produced by the artist collective \u003ca href=\"http://www.fogandsmog.com/\">Fog and Smog\u003c/a> stuck in their head? 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I still eat organic food\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cobject height=\"81\" width=\"100%\">\u003cparam name=\"movie\" value=\"http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F20512675\">\u003cparam name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\">\u003cembed allowscriptaccess=\"always\" height=\"81\" src=\"http://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F20512675\" type=\"application/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"100%\">\u003c/embed>\u003c/object> \u003cspan>\u003ca href=\"http://soundcloud.com/djdavewittman/djdave-u-not-berkeley-enough\">DJDave, U not BERKELEY Enough... Feat. LaeCharles\u003c/a> by \u003ca href=\"http://soundcloud.com/djdavewittman\">djdavewittman\u003c/a>\u003c/span> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Area Bites caught up with \u003ca href=\"http://www.davidwittman.com/\">David Wittman\u003c/a> (aka DJDave) this week to get the scoop on the past few weeks and his more than 15 minutes of fame during a break filming an American Airlines commercial, which he scored the music for and appears in as a percussionist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>When we first spoke some 300,000 people had tuned in to listen to your Whole Foods blues. Now you're well on your way to 3 million viewers. Are you surprised?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The numbers are creeping up but we thought it was funny and people would click on it and enjoy it. What's surprised us is the media attention it has generated--the \u003ca href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/whole-foods-parking-lot-youtube-rap_n_876782.html\">Huffington Post\u003c/a> picked it up, \u003ca href=\"http://ryanseacrest.com/2011/06/14/guy-raps-about-the-impossible-task-of-parking-at-whole-foods-video/\">Ryan Seacrest\u003c/a> tweeted it, a bunch of celebrities have come out saying they like it. What I like best is the number of kids who love it. We've fielded comments like \"thumbs up if your mom played this for you.\" And people send us videos of little children, 4- or 5 year-olds, singing along to the chorus. I guess their parents play it and the kids pick up on the cadence and melodic hook.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Have you heard from Whole Foods?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They contacted me early on. I thought it was going to be a cease and desist kind of thing but they just wanted permission to put it on their site. Most people there thought it was funny, though I think some people still cringe at the \u003cem>80 bucks for 6 things\u003c/em> line. They've embraced it. And why shouldn't they? It's been good for their brand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How many remixes has the rap song spawned and can you point us to a favorite?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There have been about 15 or 20 house remixes and a \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SuO7BzaArQ&feature=youtu.be&a\">video remix\u003c/a> with some pretty cool color manipulation and reconstructed mash up of Dr. Dre beats.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My favorite remix is by LaeCharles, whom I met last weekend while I was up in Berkeley deejaying at a friend's wedding at the Lawrence Hall of Science. He had this little dig at me about my Berkeley credentials in his version, which was the impetus for my follow-up song. But he's a big-hearted, creative, cool guy. We shot some footage together and we're talking about doing something with it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any personal highlights for you over the past couple of months as result of this rap?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nIt doesn't get any better than \u003ca href=\"http://www.clubzone.com/events/380169/los-angeles/eden/too-short-whole-foods-parking-lot\">opening for Too $hort\u003c/a>, a hometown legend whom I've listened to since I was 12, at a club called Eden in L.A.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Some people don't get what the fuss is about or even think your video is funny. And about 600 have disliked your song on the YouTube site. Your thoughts?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nSometimes I'm surprised by just how many people laugh at it because it's a particular humor with a lot of personal references about a specific environment, stage of life, and kinds of products. It's not for everyone, and that doesn't bother me, you can't win them all. What I don't like is when people accuse me of ripping someone else off or appropriating another culture. I'm just trying to have a bit of fun doing something original with the musical influences I grew up with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Can you even set foot in a Whole Foods store without people approaching you or parroting your lines back at you?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Funny you should ask that. My girl and I thought it might be a little crazy the first time we went back to the Whole Foods where we shot this video. I can report that it was underwhelming, basically zero response, which was reassuring in its own way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You're a professional composer. Have companies hit up the collective to help them create a catchy tune for their products?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We've been approached by companies who sell yoga stuff, skateboards, wine, and a health and wellness center. We're considering everything but we want to wait for the right opportunity with the right musical fit and sensibility for us. We also have ideas as a collective for things we want to do on our own, this was supposed to be a creative outlet from our day jobs, not a money maker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's the most out there offer that's come your way since this clip hit the Internet?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I've been approached by casting directors from each of the major networks about the potential for a series. I'm not an actor. But I'm talking to agents and keeping my options open. That said, I'm not some wide-eyed kid. I've got a good job, a fiancee, and a rhythm and flow to my life. I'm staying grounded and honest. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Have any perks come your way as a result of this creative endeavor?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I got sent some Humboldt fog cheese, Kombucha, and a case of wine, mostly Pinot Noirs for under $20. Whole Foods sent a small gift certificate. These are just nice nods. We didn't do this video expecting any kind of financial compensation. But these things are like cash to me 'cause they're on my shopping list anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What have you most enjoyed from this experience?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's been a fun ride. The best part has been getting emails from people that say stuff like \"Thanks for making me laugh, that was fresh.\" I dig it and I write back to everyone.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/bayareabites/31398/whole-foods-parking-lot-remixed-and-revisited","authors":["5125"],"categories":["bayareabites_109","bayareabites_2407","bayareabites_1875","bayareabites_1593"],"tags":["bayareabites_9407","bayareabites_3063","bayareabites_9405"],"featImg":"bayareabites_31643","label":"bayareabites"},"bayareabites_28924":{"type":"posts","id":"bayareabites_28924","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"bayareabites","id":"28924","score":null,"sort":[1308194738000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"its-gettin-real-in-the-whole-foods-parking-lot","title":"It's Gettin' Real in the Whole Foods Parking Lot","publishDate":1308194738,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Bay Area Bites | KQED Food","labelTerm":{"site":"bayareabites"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/06/dj-dave.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/06/dj-dave.jpg\" alt=\"DJ Dave in Whole Food Parking Lot\" title=\"DJ Dave in Whole Food Parking Lot\" width=\"500\" height=\"320\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-28981\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DJDave, also known as \u003ca href=\"http://www.fogandsmog.com/cast-crew/\">David Wittman\u003c/a>, has penned a memorable little ditty about some disturbing (not) things that go down in the \u003ca href=\"http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/\">Whole Foods\u003c/a> parking lot for affluent Angelenos picking up organic kale and Kombucha.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Posted last Sunday, the mock rage-rapper's hip hop YouTube video \"Whole Foods Parking Lot\" has gone viral. Even Whole Foods appreciates the humor in a song that pokes fun at the culinary cliches of shoppers in Santa Monica, Venice, and, um, elsewhere, who can afford to spend \u003cem>80 bucks for six things\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 37-year-old former Berkeley boy, works as a commercial composer for \u003ca href=\"http://eliasarts.com/\">Elias Arts\u003c/a>, crafting catchy tunes for clients like Budweiser, Pepsi, and Haagen Dazs. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wittman also composes film scores. But he wanted a place where he could create personal projects not destined for commercial use. So he and his like-minded friends formed the artist collective \u003ca href=\"http://www.fogandsmog.com/\">Fog and Smog Films\u003c/a>, comprised of film editors, composers, producers, deejays, designers, and such from the Bay Area and Los Angeles. \"Whole Foods Parking Lot\" is their first collaboration; Wittman created, produced, and performs in the piece.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe width=\"500\" height=\"314\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/2UFc1pr2yUU\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What inspired you to make this music video?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's completely born out of my own experience, this is what I do on a regular basis: I drive my Prius through the Whole Foods parking lot in Santa Monica and I live this ridiculously mannered West L.A. lifestyle, and I'm usually thinking about what I'm picking up for dinner that night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And then someone comes up and takes my parking space and it's like: \"Oh, really? \u003cem>It's about to get REAL in the Whole Foods parking lot man\u003c/em>.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's making fun of that and putting it in perspective. We all get really frustrated or stressed out by silly things. I wanted to show the craziness of that in our lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I started singing to myself about it and then I found a beat that works that is fun but has this aggressive little tone. And one day I just sat down and wrote it in less than 20 minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Can you tell me some of your musical influences?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I grew up in the Bay Area going to \u003ca href=\"http://www.cazadero.org/\">Cazadero Music Camp\u003c/a> in the summer, which had a huge impact on me. I started learning to dj there when I was 10. The \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyhighjazz.org/\">Berkeley High Jazz Band\u003c/a> was another big influence. I deejayed a lot at house parties when I was at Berkeley High and then later at UCLA, that's where my moniker comes from.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In terms of hip hop, I listened to a lot of the standard names coming out of New York in the 80s like A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Mos Def, Rakim. I've listened to my share of Snoop Dog; there's a creeping up quality to this song that's a nod to Snoop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What about your food influences?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'm not a foodie. I like fresh food. But I don't go crazy about the whole organic, local thing. I just try to eat well. I definitely started eating better once my fiancee moved in. The editor on this clip, Jake Pushinsky, is into food and restaurants, and comes from the food and beverage industry. He used to work at Hawthorne Lane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Did you expect this video to be as successful as it's been?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I knew it was funny so I would have been disappointed if only 19 people listened to it or even 900 people. I wanted to see what viral looked like. We're up around the 500,000 mark now. What I didn't expect: Fielding calls from agents and the \"Today Show.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's your favorite rhyme from the song?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>You're the most annoying dude I've ever SEEN brah\u003cbr>\nCould you PLEASE move? You're RIGHT in front of the Quinoa.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is there anything else out there like your video?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdB7GDZY3Pk\">another YouTube video set to a bossa nova beat\u003c/a> about \u003ca href=\"http://www.traderjoes.com/\">Trader Joe's\u003c/a> that I didn't even know about until someone accused me of ripping it off. It's well done and it's similar but I think it's slightly more endearing. I'm clearly making fun of myself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's next for Fog and Smog?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're not sure. But it will be something authentic that comes out of someone's genuine experience. We're proud of this video because it's an honest little slice of life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's for dinner?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You know I think my fiancee and I will fire up the grill and we'll have some chicken and I'll make a kale salad and some quinoa. We might even have it with a Pinot Noir.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/06/wholefoodsparkinglotcrew.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/06/wholefoodsparkinglotcrew.jpg\" alt=\"DJ Dave and crew\" title=\"DJ Dave and crew\" width=\"500\" height=\"293\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-28983\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lyrics:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Intro (spoken)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yo man...\u003cbr>\nYo I know you see me here dude!!\u003cbr>\nI've been waiting here like 10 minutes, man!\u003cbr>\nNo, no no... this is MY parking space man.\u003cbr>\nWhat you need to do is put your little hybrid in reverse,\u003cbr>\nAnd go out the way you came in.\u003cbr>\nWHAT?!?!\u003cbr>\nYo its about to get REAL in the Whole Foods parking lot man...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chorus (with feeling)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's getting' REAL in the Whole Foods Parking Lot\u003cbr>\nI got my STEEL and you know it gets sparked a lot\u003cbr>\nIm on my grind homie... It's on my mind homie!\u003cbr>\nThese fools with clip boards are lookin' at me like they know me!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's getting' REAL in the Whole Foods Parking Lot\u003cbr>\nYou know the DEAL with the little shopping carts they got...\u003cbr>\nCheck out what I say, it happens every day...\u003cbr>\nIt's how we LIVE on the west side of LA!!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Verse 1\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>... Im ridin' slow in my Prius...\u003cbr>\nall leather, tinted windows... you cant see us!!\u003cbr>\nEverybody's trying to park, you can feel the tension\u003cbr>\nI'm in electric mode... can't even hear the engine (Shhhhhhh)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just then I saw a spot open up,\u003cbr>\nMy timings perfect... Im creepin' up...\u003cbr>\nBut then this other dude tried to steal it going the wrong way\u003cbr>\nYo man, I've had a LONG DAY!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chorus\u003cbr>\n(same as before)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Verse 2\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now I'm on this inside, looking at my list\u003cbr>\nOrganic chicken, Kale Salad and a Lemon Twist.\u003cbr>\nSome girl in yoga pants is lookin at me funny\u003cbr>\nI'm just trying to find a decent Pinot Noir for under twenty!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then I take it to the cheese counter, Humboldt Fog?\u003cbr>\nWe just ran out sir! Really Dog?\u003cbr>\nTake it easy man, I try to calm myself...\u003cbr>\nI've been on edge ever since they took Kombucha off the shelf...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chorus\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(same as before)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Verse 3\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This Busters on his iPhone talking to his friends,\u003cbr>\nPicking up some cayenne pepper for his master cleanse.\u003cbr>\nYou're the most annoying dude I've ever SEEN brah...\u003cbr>\nCould you PLEASE move? You're RIGHT in front of the Quinoa.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damn, I'm about to check out.\u003cbr>\nPay my 80 bucks for 6 things and get the heck out.\u003cbr>\nThe express lane is moving hella slow...\u003cbr>\nMan, these fools don't know... that shit is getting REAL....\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chorus\u003cbr>\n(same as before)\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Whole Foods Parking Lot, the mock rage-rap that went viral this week, is the work of homeboy DJDave, also known as David Wittman. Find out why he wrote about quinoa, kale, and cayenne pepper in this catchy homage to hip hop that is cracking people up across the country.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1308410179,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":true,"iframeSrcs":["http://www.youtube.com/embed/2UFc1pr2yUU"],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":48,"wordCount":1196},"headData":{"title":"It's Gettin' Real in the Whole Foods Parking Lot | KQED","description":"Whole Foods Parking Lot, the mock rage-rap that went viral this week, is the work of homeboy DJDave, also known as David Wittman. 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Even Whole Foods appreciates the humor in a song that pokes fun at the culinary cliches of shoppers in Santa Monica, Venice, and, um, elsewhere, who can afford to spend \u003cem>80 bucks for six things\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 37-year-old former Berkeley boy, works as a commercial composer for \u003ca href=\"http://eliasarts.com/\">Elias Arts\u003c/a>, crafting catchy tunes for clients like Budweiser, Pepsi, and Haagen Dazs. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wittman also composes film scores. But he wanted a place where he could create personal projects not destined for commercial use. So he and his like-minded friends formed the artist collective \u003ca href=\"http://www.fogandsmog.com/\">Fog and Smog Films\u003c/a>, comprised of film editors, composers, producers, deejays, designers, and such from the Bay Area and Los Angeles. \"Whole Foods Parking Lot\" is their first collaboration; Wittman created, produced, and performs in the piece.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe width=\"500\" height=\"314\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/2UFc1pr2yUU\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What inspired you to make this music video?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's completely born out of my own experience, this is what I do on a regular basis: I drive my Prius through the Whole Foods parking lot in Santa Monica and I live this ridiculously mannered West L.A. lifestyle, and I'm usually thinking about what I'm picking up for dinner that night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And then someone comes up and takes my parking space and it's like: \"Oh, really? \u003cem>It's about to get REAL in the Whole Foods parking lot man\u003c/em>.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's making fun of that and putting it in perspective. We all get really frustrated or stressed out by silly things. I wanted to show the craziness of that in our lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I started singing to myself about it and then I found a beat that works that is fun but has this aggressive little tone. And one day I just sat down and wrote it in less than 20 minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Can you tell me some of your musical influences?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I grew up in the Bay Area going to \u003ca href=\"http://www.cazadero.org/\">Cazadero Music Camp\u003c/a> in the summer, which had a huge impact on me. I started learning to dj there when I was 10. The \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyhighjazz.org/\">Berkeley High Jazz Band\u003c/a> was another big influence. I deejayed a lot at house parties when I was at Berkeley High and then later at UCLA, that's where my moniker comes from.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In terms of hip hop, I listened to a lot of the standard names coming out of New York in the 80s like A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Mos Def, Rakim. I've listened to my share of Snoop Dog; there's a creeping up quality to this song that's a nod to Snoop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What about your food influences?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'm not a foodie. I like fresh food. But I don't go crazy about the whole organic, local thing. I just try to eat well. I definitely started eating better once my fiancee moved in. The editor on this clip, Jake Pushinsky, is into food and restaurants, and comes from the food and beverage industry. He used to work at Hawthorne Lane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Did you expect this video to be as successful as it's been?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I knew it was funny so I would have been disappointed if only 19 people listened to it or even 900 people. I wanted to see what viral looked like. We're up around the 500,000 mark now. What I didn't expect: Fielding calls from agents and the \"Today Show.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's your favorite rhyme from the song?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>You're the most annoying dude I've ever SEEN brah\u003cbr>\nCould you PLEASE move? You're RIGHT in front of the Quinoa.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is there anything else out there like your video?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's \u003ca href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdB7GDZY3Pk\">another YouTube video set to a bossa nova beat\u003c/a> about \u003ca href=\"http://www.traderjoes.com/\">Trader Joe's\u003c/a> that I didn't even know about until someone accused me of ripping it off. It's well done and it's similar but I think it's slightly more endearing. I'm clearly making fun of myself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's next for Fog and Smog?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We're not sure. But it will be something authentic that comes out of someone's genuine experience. We're proud of this video because it's an honest little slice of life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's for dinner?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You know I think my fiancee and I will fire up the grill and we'll have some chicken and I'll make a kale salad and some quinoa. We might even have it with a Pinot Noir.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/06/wholefoodsparkinglotcrew.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2011/06/wholefoodsparkinglotcrew.jpg\" alt=\"DJ Dave and crew\" title=\"DJ Dave and crew\" width=\"500\" height=\"293\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-28983\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lyrics:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Intro (spoken)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yo man...\u003cbr>\nYo I know you see me here dude!!\u003cbr>\nI've been waiting here like 10 minutes, man!\u003cbr>\nNo, no no... this is MY parking space man.\u003cbr>\nWhat you need to do is put your little hybrid in reverse,\u003cbr>\nAnd go out the way you came in.\u003cbr>\nWHAT?!?!\u003cbr>\nYo its about to get REAL in the Whole Foods parking lot man...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chorus (with feeling)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's getting' REAL in the Whole Foods Parking Lot\u003cbr>\nI got my STEEL and you know it gets sparked a lot\u003cbr>\nIm on my grind homie... It's on my mind homie!\u003cbr>\nThese fools with clip boards are lookin' at me like they know me!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's getting' REAL in the Whole Foods Parking Lot\u003cbr>\nYou know the DEAL with the little shopping carts they got...\u003cbr>\nCheck out what I say, it happens every day...\u003cbr>\nIt's how we LIVE on the west side of LA!!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Verse 1\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>... Im ridin' slow in my Prius...\u003cbr>\nall leather, tinted windows... you cant see us!!\u003cbr>\nEverybody's trying to park, you can feel the tension\u003cbr>\nI'm in electric mode... can't even hear the engine (Shhhhhhh)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just then I saw a spot open up,\u003cbr>\nMy timings perfect... Im creepin' up...\u003cbr>\nBut then this other dude tried to steal it going the wrong way\u003cbr>\nYo man, I've had a LONG DAY!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chorus\u003cbr>\n(same as before)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Verse 2\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now I'm on this inside, looking at my list\u003cbr>\nOrganic chicken, Kale Salad and a Lemon Twist.\u003cbr>\nSome girl in yoga pants is lookin at me funny\u003cbr>\nI'm just trying to find a decent Pinot Noir for under twenty!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then I take it to the cheese counter, Humboldt Fog?\u003cbr>\nWe just ran out sir! 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