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That has prompted a spate of new butcher shops, but running a butchery isn't easy -- as evidenced by the fact that the popular \u003ca href=\"http://4505meats.com/\" target=\"_blank\">4505 Meats\u003c/a> had to close its butchery doors earlier this summer. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yes, you can still buy 4505 wholesale sausages or sandwiches at the farmers' market. And yes, Belcampo did take over the butcher shop location. But that doesn't mean it's easy to ensure the kind of high-quality, locally-sourced, sustainable meat we all love at prices we can actually afford -- and that the shops can afford to sell it at.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It can all get a little confusing. Some places outsource to their favorite ranches. Others operate the farms themselves. Some focus on pasture-raised meat. Others want hormone-free products. If you're not sure what to eat for dinner, then start with some of our favorite butcher shops. If we missed your favorite, then share it in the comments below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" size=\"full\" link=\"none\" ids=\"100151,100152,100153,100156,100154,100155,100157\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since 1901, there's been a butcher shop at 235 Cortland Avenue in Bernal Heights. For the last eight years that shop's been \u003cstrong>Avedano's Meats\u003c/strong>. It's owned by three women who were planning to open a restaurant, but instead wanted to bring fresh local meat directly to the community. The focus is on pasture-raised meat from small farms, and the shop has relationships with specific farmers for each of its animals -- for example, Avedano's pork comes from \u003ca href=\"http://llanoseco.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Llano Seco Rancho\u003c/a> in Chico. They work with whole animals, which are delivered weekly, and they also make pastrami, pates, and sausages. (There are even some dog treats. 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The shop has also started doing butcher's dinners in the private dining room next door. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://avedanos.com/newSite/\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>Avedano's Meats\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n235 Cortland Avenue [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/heCpYf\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94110\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 285-6328\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 11am-8pm; Sat 9am-8pm; Sun 11am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/pages/Avedanos-Holly-Park-Market/361391073012\" target=\"_blank\">Avedano's Holly Park Market\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/avedanos\" target=\"_blank\">@Avedanos\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/avedanos/\" target=\"_blank\">Avedanos\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" size=\"full\" link=\"none\" ids=\"100160,100165,100161,100162,100163,100164,100166\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Belcampo Meat Co.\u003c/strong> has burst onto the scene in the last few years with seven restaurants/butcheries in California -- and four are in the Bay Area. The whole enterprise started in 2012 with an idea for a top-to-bottom meat provider. All the animals served in Belcampo come from the company's own farm near Mt. Shasta, where the rabbits, quail, chickens, and cows live in humane conditions. The farm-to-fork traceability means that Belcampo also owns and operates its own slaughterhouse 15 minutes away from its farm and runs the butcher shops where the meat is hand-cut. At most locations, you can buy fresh cuts of meat in the front and lunch or dinner at the restaurant in the back. Because Belcampo uses so many non-traditional cuts and focuses on freshness, you might need to ask the butcher or the waiter about what's best and what's in stock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.belcampomeatco.com/\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>Belcampo Meat Co.\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n2405 Larkspur Landing Circle, Building 4 [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/2zRMX1\" target=\"_blank\">map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nLarkspur, CA 94939\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 488-5810\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Mon-Sat 9am-7pm; Sun 9am-6pm / Restaurant - Daily 11am-9pm, Closed 4pm-5pm\u003cbr>\n1909 Mission Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/hq31lO\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94103\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 914-0637\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 11am-8pm; Sat-Sun 10am-7pm\u003cbr>\n1998 Polk Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/QGUBh3\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94109\u003cbr>\nPh:(415) 660-5573\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Daily 10am-8pm / Restaurant - Mon-Thu 11:30am-10pm; Fri 11:30am-11pm; Sat 10:30am-11pm; Sun 10:30am-9pm, Closed Daily 3pm-5:30pm\u003cbr>\n855 El Camino Real, #161 [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/X7cUKY\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nPalo Alto, CA 94301\u003cbr>\nPh: (650) 561-3492\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Mon-Sat 10am-7pm; Sun 10am-6pm / Restaurant - Mon-Sat 11am-8pm; Sun 11am-7pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/belcampomeatco\" target=\"_blank\">Bel Campo Meat Co.\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/BelcampoMeat\" target=\"_blank\">@BelcampoMeat\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/belcampomeatco/\" target=\"_blank\">Belcampo Meat Co\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" link=\"none\" size=\"full\" ids=\"100167,100171,100168,100169,100172,100170\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though most people refer to it just as \u003cstrong>Boccalone\u003c/strong>, the full name is Boccalone Salumeria, which tells you exactly what you need to know about this little shop. A \u003cem>salumeria\u003c/em> specializes in traditional \u003cem>salumi\u003c/em>, or Italian pork cold cuts. And \"tasty salted pig parts\" are exactly what Boccalone is all about. Its small-batch, traditional cold-curing methods take longer but are extra tasty. Stop by for some salami, sausages, a sandwich, or their famous meat cones. You can also sign up for the salami of the month club and get all that deliciousness delivered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.boccalone.com/\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>Boccalone\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nFerry Building Marketplace [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/H9KcpR\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94111\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 433-6500\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 9:30am-6pm; Sat 8am-6pm; Sun 11am-5pm (Boccalone also sells at farmers' markets in San Rafael and Oakland on the weekends)\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boccalone/51615929043\" target=\"_blank\">Boccalone\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/boccalone\" target=\"_blank\">@boccalone\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" link=\"none\" size=\"full\" ids=\"100175,100176,100177,100179,100178,100180\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It used to be called Fairmont Meats (back in 1889), then Drewes Meats, then Drewes Brothers, then Drewes Meats again. After owner Josh Epple died in a motorcycle accident last year, the small community butcher shop became \u003cstrong>E&J Fine Meats\u003c/strong> this year. The shop isn't super fancy or super expensive; it's a straight-forward neighborhood meat shop with all the standard cuts and some slightly more unique items as well. While they can sell out of some cuts, if you call ahead you can reserve special orders. And the butchers will make every effort to find whatever it is you need. Just remember that the shop is cash only, but you can use the ATM on site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.yelp.com/biz/drewes-meats-san-francisco\" target=\"_blank\">E&J Fine Meats (formerly Drewes Brothers)\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n1706 Church Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/FuvycO\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94131\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 821-0515\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 10am-8pm; Sat-Sun 9am-7pm\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" link=\"none\" size=\"full\" ids=\"100307,100303,100301,100302,100304,100305,100306\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Fatted Calf\u003c/strong> is both a butcher and a charcuterie with spots in Napa and in San Francisco's Hayes Valley. The shops sell pasture-raised meats, salumi, sausages, and housemade pates. The butchers prepare roasts and smoked meats as well. And in San Francisco, you can get delicious sandwiches, salads, or even a picnic plate if you want to take your tasty goodies outside. Round out your picnic with local cheeses, breads, and wines. Take a butchery class at the Napa store or a enjoy Butcher's Happy Hour (Wednesdays in San Francisco or Thursdays in Napa), where you can snack while enjoying a first-hand butchery demonstration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.fattedcalf.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Fatted Calf\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n320 Fell Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/YuwsBm\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94102\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 400-5614\u003cbr>\nHours: Daily 10am-8pm\u003cbr>\n644 First Street (at the Oxbow Public Market) [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/Sh1YtA\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nNapa, CA 94559\u003cbr>\nPh: (707) 256-3684\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Sat 9am-7pm; Sun 10am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/FattedCalf\" target=\"_blank\">Fatted Calf\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/FattedCalf?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor\" target=\"_blank\">@FattedCalf\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" link=\"none\" size=\"full\" ids=\"100186,100181,100187,100182,100183,100184,100185\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While \u003cstrong>Golden Gate Meat Company\u003c/strong> is primarily a wholesaler, with locations in San Francisco and Santa Rosa, it also operates a fairly well-stocked retail store in the Ferry Building. The meat is mostly organic, but the real draw is its massive variety. In the 40-foot display case you'll find beef, veal, pork, wild game, sausages, and smoked meats. If you're looking for something a little more exotic -- a tub of duck fat, wild board sausages, ground elk, or a special order of ostrich -- then this is the spot for you. Around the corner, Golden Gate also operates a lunch bar for hot food. Try the pastrami sandwich or the beef pot pie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.goldengatemeatcompany.com/ggmcfb/\" target=\"_blank\">Golden Gate Meat Co.\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nFerry Building Marketplace [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/D4mrx7\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94111\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 983-7800\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 6:30am-7pm; Sat 7am-5:30pm; Sun 11am-5pm\u003cbr>\nWholesale: 550 7th Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/QSoSkj\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94103\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 861-3800\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/pages/Golden-Gate-Meat-Company/159353800130?sk=timeline\" target=\"_blank\">Golden Gate Meat Company\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/GGMCFB\" target=\"_blank\">@GGMCFB\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" link=\"none\" size=\"full\" ids=\"100189,100190,100194,100191,100192,100195,100193,100196\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guerra's Quality Meats\u003c/strong> has been operating on Taraval Street since 1954 and is now run by the sons of the original butchers. It also features a deli, a fairly wide selection of grocery items, and a catering service. You can even place an order online in the afternoon and pick it up for dinner that night. All the meat is ground on site and prepared items like stocks, slaws and salads are made daily. The shop also does old-fashioned artery brining. The rotisserie chicken is a particularly popular option. While it can get crowded and busy, the staff keeps the lines moving and is happy to answer questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://guerrameats.com/default.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">Guerra Quality Meats\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n490 Taraval Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/5yJS9B\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94116\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 564-0585\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 9am-7pm; Sat-Sun 9am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/guerrameats\" target=\"_blank\">Guerra Quality Meats\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" size=\"full\" link=\"none\" ids=\"100202,100203,100204,100206,100207,100208,100205\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/strong> is exactly that: a local butcher shop in North Berkeley that just celebrated its four-year anniversary. The shop was open by Monica and Aaron Rocchino to focus on sustainably raised meats all bought directly from farms within 150 miles of the shop. (You can even read \u003ca href=\"http://thelocalbutchershop.com/our-farmers/\" target=\"_blank\">about the farmers on the butchery's website\u003c/a>.) Aaron previously worked at the nearby Chez Panisse and at Rockridge's Oliveto, where he became a whole animal butchery aficionado. The Local Butcher Shop sources pasture-raised, hormone-free whole animals which allows the shop's butchers to cut creative pieces of premium meat. They also make pates, sausages, stocks, and dog food; you'll also want to try the sandwich of the day. All the butchers are trained chefs as well and can answer questions. It might make you might feel inspired to try your own hand at butchery. Take one of \u003ca href=\"http://thelocalbutchershop.com/classes/\" target=\"_blank\">the shop's classes\u003c/a> to get started.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://thelocalbutchershop.com/\" target=\"_blank\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n1600 Shattuck Ave., Suite 120 (entrance on Cedar Street) [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/nXcL19\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nBerkeley, CA 94709\u003cbr>\nPh: (510) 845-6328\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 10am-7pm; Sat-Sun 10am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/thelocalbutchershop\" target=\"_blank\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/LocalButchers\" target=\"_blank\">@LocalButchers\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/thelocalbutchershop/\" target=\"_blank\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" link=\"none\" size=\"full\" ids=\"100315,100343,100347,100344,100345,100346\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yes, \u003cstrong>Marin Sun Farms\u003c/strong> has a butcher shop and sandwich place in Rockridge's Market Hall, but to get the full experience you really should travel to the farm's flagship location just outside downtown Point Reyes Station. That shop serves up its local, sustainable, grass-fed meat, along with cooked-to-order burgers and sandwiches, at its restaurant. While the farm does have a wholesale business, you can also get the high-quality meat delivered fresh to you through their CSA. Or just buy a share of a whole animal and it'll be cut specifically for you. In 2014, Marin Sun Farms also bought \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2014/03/12/saving-the-local-slaughterhouse/\" target=\"_blank\">the beleaguered Petaluma slaughterhouse\u003c/a> and took over the meat processing to help ensure the integrity of its meats as they travel from farm to fork.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.marinsunfarms.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Marin Sun Farms\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n10905 Shoreline Highway [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/nDzIyh\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nPoint Reyes Station, CA 94956\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 663-1800\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Mon, Thu 11am-5pm; Fri-Sun 11am-7pm; Tue-Wed Closed / Restaurant - Mon, Thu 11:30am-5pm; Fri-Sun 11:30am-7pm; Tue-Wed Closed\u003cbr>\n5655 College Avenue (inside Rockridge Market Hall) [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/eAY6Sc\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nOakland, CA 94618\u003cbr>\nPh: (510) 601-8997\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 9am-8pm; Sat 9am-7pm; Sun 10am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/marinsunfarms\" target=\"_blank\">Marin Sun Farms\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/marinsunfarms\" target=\"_blank\">@MarinSunFarms\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/marinsunfarms/\" target=\"_blank\">MarinSunFarms\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nPinterest: \u003ca href=\"https://www.pinterest.com/MarinSunFarms/\" target=\"_blank\">Marin Sun Farms\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" link=\"none\" size=\"full\" ids=\"100308,100309,100311,100312,100313,100314,100310\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Olivier, for whom \u003cstrong>Olivier's Butchery\u003c/strong> is named, grew up in France with a family of butchers. After moving to San Francisco, he wanted to bring that French tradition of local butchers across the ocean. Olivier's has been open since 2011 in an unassuming street in the Dogpatch neighborhood that's right by the water. Olivier still hand-picks all the animals to be served up in his shop and visits each of the ranches he works with every week. Because French traditional cuts (and old-fashioned hand tools) are part of Olivier's staple, there are often some uniquely European specialties available in the wide open fridges. While much of the meat that comes through is beef, Olivier's also makes unique spiced sausages and serves up pork, lamb, and even veal at times. Order ahead for the super-aged beef, which is aged for 100, 165 or even over 200 days -- and sells out well in advance. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://oliviersbutchery.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Olivier's Butchery\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n1074 Illinois Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/IlIsHf\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94107\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 558-9887\u003cbr>\nHours: Tue-Fri 11am-7pm; Sat 10am-6pm; Sun 10am-5pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/Oliviers-Butchery-215945865096594/timeline/\" target=\"_blank\">Olivier's Butchery\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/frenchbutchery?lang=en\" target=\"_blank\">@frenchbutchery\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/frenchbutchery/\" target=\"_blank\">FrenchButchery\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" size=\"full\" link=\"none\" ids=\"100211,100216,100214,100212,100213,100215,100217\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prather Ranch is exactly what it sounds like: \u003ca href=\"http://www.pratherranch.com/\" target=\"_blank\">a ranch.\u003c/a> Located up near Mt. Shasta, they started selling meat directly to consumers at farmers' markets way back in 1997. In 2002, the \u003cstrong>Prather Ranch Meat Company\u003c/strong> was founded to sell high-quality meat in a more organized fashion. Today the retail shop in the Ferry Building has cuts from its namesake ranch, as well a few other partner ranches that meet the company's high standard -- like \u003ca href=\"http://www.oregonlamb.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Anderson Ranches\u003c/a> for all the company's lamb. Prather Ranch Meat Co. still continues to sell at farmers' markets -- \u003ca href=\"http://prmeatco.com/locate-us/\" target=\"_blank\">check the schedule\u003c/a> -- and directly to \u003ca href=\"http://prmeatco.com/restaurant-sales/\" target=\"_blank\">a number of restaurants\u003c/a>. A popular addition to its retail location, the American Eatery lunch counter always has a long line for fresh sausages, steak sandwiches, and hamburgers. If you don't want to wait, join the meat club for a standing monthly order to be delivered to your house.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://prmeatco.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Prather Ranch Meat Company\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nFerry Building Marketplace [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/fSN9RD\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94111\u003cbr>\n(Prather Ranch also sells at a range of farmers markets; \u003ca href=\"http://prmeatco.com/locate-us/\" target=\"_blank\">check the schedule\u003c/a>)\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 391-0420\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Mon-Fri 10am-7pm; Sat 8am-6pm; Sun 10am-5pm / American Eatery Restaurant - Mon-Fri 7:30am-3pm; Sat 8am-4pm; Sun 9am-5pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/pratherranchmeatcompany\" target=\"_blank\">Prather Ranch Meat Company\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/prmeatco\" target=\"_blank\">@PRMeatCo\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[gallery type=\"slideshow\" link=\"none\" size=\"full\" ids=\"100272,100273,100275,100274,100278,100276,100277\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A long-standing community staple, \u003cstrong>Ver Brugge Foods\u003c/strong> has been serving up meat cuts, prepared hot foods, and even fish for over 30 years. While the shop has expanded its selection of local and sustainably raised meat, it focuses on making high-quality and fresh meat available at inexpensive prices. Along with all the standard cuts, the shop also has some more exotic animals, like elk -- especially if you call ahead to place a special order. You can also buy bones or stock. Or get some cheese to go with your meat. Put your name in the raffle jar for a chance to win $25 each month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.yelp.com/biz/ver-brugge-foods-oakland-2\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>Ver Brugge Foods\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n6321 College Avenue [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/maps/UjdA8Dfv9tS2\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nOakland, CA 94618\u003cbr>\nPh: (510) 658-6854\u003cbr>\nHours: Daily 9am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/vbfoods/timeline\" target=\"_blank\">Ver Brugge Foods\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The number of high-end butchers has grown exponentially in the last few years. Here are a few classic shops around the Bay Area. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1465841795,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":true,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":41,"wordCount":2531},"headData":{"title":"Bay Area Bites Guide to 12 Great Butcher Shops | KQED","description":"The number of high-end butchers has grown exponentially in the last few years. Here are a few classic shops around the Bay Area. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"100150 http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/?p=100150","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2015/09/24/bay-area-bites-guide-to-12-great-butcher-shops/","disqusTitle":"Bay Area Bites Guide to 12 Great Butcher Shops","path":"/bayareabites/100150/bay-area-bites-guide-to-12-great-butcher-shops","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Whole animal butchery has gotten popular in recent years as part of our growing attention to what constitutes sustainable food systems. That has prompted a spate of new butcher shops, but running a butchery isn't easy -- as evidenced by the fact that the popular \u003ca href=\"http://4505meats.com/\" target=\"_blank\">4505 Meats\u003c/a> had to close its butchery doors earlier this summer. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yes, you can still buy 4505 wholesale sausages or sandwiches at the farmers' market. And yes, Belcampo did take over the butcher shop location. But that doesn't mean it's easy to ensure the kind of high-quality, locally-sourced, sustainable meat we all love at prices we can actually afford -- and that the shops can afford to sell it at.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It can all get a little confusing. Some places outsource to their favorite ranches. Others operate the farms themselves. Some focus on pasture-raised meat. Others want hormone-free products. If you're not sure what to eat for dinner, then start with some of our favorite butcher shops. If we missed your favorite, then share it in the comments below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","size":"full","link":"none","ids":"100151,100152,100153,100156,100154,100155,100157","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since 1901, there's been a butcher shop at 235 Cortland Avenue in Bernal Heights. For the last eight years that shop's been \u003cstrong>Avedano's Meats\u003c/strong>. It's owned by three women who were planning to open a restaurant, but instead wanted to bring fresh local meat directly to the community. The focus is on pasture-raised meat from small farms, and the shop has relationships with specific farmers for each of its animals -- for example, Avedano's pork comes from \u003ca href=\"http://llanoseco.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Llano Seco Rancho\u003c/a> in Chico. They work with whole animals, which are delivered weekly, and they also make pastrami, pates, and sausages. (There are even some dog treats. After all, the \u003cem>whole\u003c/em> animal has to get used somehow.) You can reserve special orders or buy a meat box. The shop has also started doing butcher's dinners in the private dining room next door. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://avedanos.com/newSite/\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>Avedano's Meats\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n235 Cortland Avenue [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/heCpYf\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94110\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 285-6328\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 11am-8pm; Sat 9am-8pm; Sun 11am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/pages/Avedanos-Holly-Park-Market/361391073012\" target=\"_blank\">Avedano's Holly Park Market\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/avedanos\" target=\"_blank\">@Avedanos\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/avedanos/\" target=\"_blank\">Avedanos\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","size":"full","link":"none","ids":"100160,100165,100161,100162,100163,100164,100166","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Belcampo Meat Co.\u003c/strong> has burst onto the scene in the last few years with seven restaurants/butcheries in California -- and four are in the Bay Area. The whole enterprise started in 2012 with an idea for a top-to-bottom meat provider. All the animals served in Belcampo come from the company's own farm near Mt. Shasta, where the rabbits, quail, chickens, and cows live in humane conditions. The farm-to-fork traceability means that Belcampo also owns and operates its own slaughterhouse 15 minutes away from its farm and runs the butcher shops where the meat is hand-cut. At most locations, you can buy fresh cuts of meat in the front and lunch or dinner at the restaurant in the back. Because Belcampo uses so many non-traditional cuts and focuses on freshness, you might need to ask the butcher or the waiter about what's best and what's in stock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.belcampomeatco.com/\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>Belcampo Meat Co.\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n2405 Larkspur Landing Circle, Building 4 [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/2zRMX1\" target=\"_blank\">map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nLarkspur, CA 94939\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 488-5810\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Mon-Sat 9am-7pm; Sun 9am-6pm / Restaurant - Daily 11am-9pm, Closed 4pm-5pm\u003cbr>\n1909 Mission Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/hq31lO\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94103\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 914-0637\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 11am-8pm; Sat-Sun 10am-7pm\u003cbr>\n1998 Polk Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/QGUBh3\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94109\u003cbr>\nPh:(415) 660-5573\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Daily 10am-8pm / Restaurant - Mon-Thu 11:30am-10pm; Fri 11:30am-11pm; Sat 10:30am-11pm; Sun 10:30am-9pm, Closed Daily 3pm-5:30pm\u003cbr>\n855 El Camino Real, #161 [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/X7cUKY\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nPalo Alto, CA 94301\u003cbr>\nPh: (650) 561-3492\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Mon-Sat 10am-7pm; Sun 10am-6pm / Restaurant - Mon-Sat 11am-8pm; Sun 11am-7pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/belcampomeatco\" target=\"_blank\">Bel Campo Meat Co.\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/BelcampoMeat\" target=\"_blank\">@BelcampoMeat\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/belcampomeatco/\" target=\"_blank\">Belcampo Meat Co\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","link":"none","size":"full","ids":"100167,100171,100168,100169,100172,100170","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though most people refer to it just as \u003cstrong>Boccalone\u003c/strong>, the full name is Boccalone Salumeria, which tells you exactly what you need to know about this little shop. A \u003cem>salumeria\u003c/em> specializes in traditional \u003cem>salumi\u003c/em>, or Italian pork cold cuts. And \"tasty salted pig parts\" are exactly what Boccalone is all about. Its small-batch, traditional cold-curing methods take longer but are extra tasty. Stop by for some salami, sausages, a sandwich, or their famous meat cones. You can also sign up for the salami of the month club and get all that deliciousness delivered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.boccalone.com/\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>Boccalone\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nFerry Building Marketplace [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/H9KcpR\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94111\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 433-6500\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 9:30am-6pm; Sat 8am-6pm; Sun 11am-5pm (Boccalone also sells at farmers' markets in San Rafael and Oakland on the weekends)\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boccalone/51615929043\" target=\"_blank\">Boccalone\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/boccalone\" target=\"_blank\">@boccalone\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","link":"none","size":"full","ids":"100175,100176,100177,100179,100178,100180","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It used to be called Fairmont Meats (back in 1889), then Drewes Meats, then Drewes Brothers, then Drewes Meats again. After owner Josh Epple died in a motorcycle accident last year, the small community butcher shop became \u003cstrong>E&J Fine Meats\u003c/strong> this year. The shop isn't super fancy or super expensive; it's a straight-forward neighborhood meat shop with all the standard cuts and some slightly more unique items as well. While they can sell out of some cuts, if you call ahead you can reserve special orders. And the butchers will make every effort to find whatever it is you need. Just remember that the shop is cash only, but you can use the ATM on site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.yelp.com/biz/drewes-meats-san-francisco\" target=\"_blank\">E&J Fine Meats (formerly Drewes Brothers)\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n1706 Church Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/FuvycO\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94131\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 821-0515\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 10am-8pm; Sat-Sun 9am-7pm\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","link":"none","size":"full","ids":"100307,100303,100301,100302,100304,100305,100306","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Fatted Calf\u003c/strong> is both a butcher and a charcuterie with spots in Napa and in San Francisco's Hayes Valley. The shops sell pasture-raised meats, salumi, sausages, and housemade pates. The butchers prepare roasts and smoked meats as well. And in San Francisco, you can get delicious sandwiches, salads, or even a picnic plate if you want to take your tasty goodies outside. Round out your picnic with local cheeses, breads, and wines. Take a butchery class at the Napa store or a enjoy Butcher's Happy Hour (Wednesdays in San Francisco or Thursdays in Napa), where you can snack while enjoying a first-hand butchery demonstration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.fattedcalf.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Fatted Calf\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n320 Fell Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/YuwsBm\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94102\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 400-5614\u003cbr>\nHours: Daily 10am-8pm\u003cbr>\n644 First Street (at the Oxbow Public Market) [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/Sh1YtA\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nNapa, CA 94559\u003cbr>\nPh: (707) 256-3684\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Sat 9am-7pm; Sun 10am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/FattedCalf\" target=\"_blank\">Fatted Calf\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/FattedCalf?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor\" target=\"_blank\">@FattedCalf\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","link":"none","size":"full","ids":"100186,100181,100187,100182,100183,100184,100185","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While \u003cstrong>Golden Gate Meat Company\u003c/strong> is primarily a wholesaler, with locations in San Francisco and Santa Rosa, it also operates a fairly well-stocked retail store in the Ferry Building. The meat is mostly organic, but the real draw is its massive variety. In the 40-foot display case you'll find beef, veal, pork, wild game, sausages, and smoked meats. If you're looking for something a little more exotic -- a tub of duck fat, wild board sausages, ground elk, or a special order of ostrich -- then this is the spot for you. Around the corner, Golden Gate also operates a lunch bar for hot food. Try the pastrami sandwich or the beef pot pie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.goldengatemeatcompany.com/ggmcfb/\" target=\"_blank\">Golden Gate Meat Co.\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nFerry Building Marketplace [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/D4mrx7\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94111\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 983-7800\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 6:30am-7pm; Sat 7am-5:30pm; Sun 11am-5pm\u003cbr>\nWholesale: 550 7th Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/QSoSkj\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94103\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 861-3800\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/pages/Golden-Gate-Meat-Company/159353800130?sk=timeline\" target=\"_blank\">Golden Gate Meat Company\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/GGMCFB\" target=\"_blank\">@GGMCFB\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","link":"none","size":"full","ids":"100189,100190,100194,100191,100192,100195,100193,100196","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guerra's Quality Meats\u003c/strong> has been operating on Taraval Street since 1954 and is now run by the sons of the original butchers. It also features a deli, a fairly wide selection of grocery items, and a catering service. You can even place an order online in the afternoon and pick it up for dinner that night. All the meat is ground on site and prepared items like stocks, slaws and salads are made daily. The shop also does old-fashioned artery brining. The rotisserie chicken is a particularly popular option. While it can get crowded and busy, the staff keeps the lines moving and is happy to answer questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://guerrameats.com/default.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">Guerra Quality Meats\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n490 Taraval Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/5yJS9B\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94116\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 564-0585\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 9am-7pm; Sat-Sun 9am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/guerrameats\" target=\"_blank\">Guerra Quality Meats\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","size":"full","link":"none","ids":"100202,100203,100204,100206,100207,100208,100205","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/strong> is exactly that: a local butcher shop in North Berkeley that just celebrated its four-year anniversary. The shop was open by Monica and Aaron Rocchino to focus on sustainably raised meats all bought directly from farms within 150 miles of the shop. (You can even read \u003ca href=\"http://thelocalbutchershop.com/our-farmers/\" target=\"_blank\">about the farmers on the butchery's website\u003c/a>.) Aaron previously worked at the nearby Chez Panisse and at Rockridge's Oliveto, where he became a whole animal butchery aficionado. The Local Butcher Shop sources pasture-raised, hormone-free whole animals which allows the shop's butchers to cut creative pieces of premium meat. They also make pates, sausages, stocks, and dog food; you'll also want to try the sandwich of the day. All the butchers are trained chefs as well and can answer questions. It might make you might feel inspired to try your own hand at butchery. Take one of \u003ca href=\"http://thelocalbutchershop.com/classes/\" target=\"_blank\">the shop's classes\u003c/a> to get started.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://thelocalbutchershop.com/\" target=\"_blank\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n1600 Shattuck Ave., Suite 120 (entrance on Cedar Street) [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/nXcL19\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nBerkeley, CA 94709\u003cbr>\nPh: (510) 845-6328\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 10am-7pm; Sat-Sun 10am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/thelocalbutchershop\" target=\"_blank\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/LocalButchers\" target=\"_blank\">@LocalButchers\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/thelocalbutchershop/\" target=\"_blank\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","link":"none","size":"full","ids":"100315,100343,100347,100344,100345,100346","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yes, \u003cstrong>Marin Sun Farms\u003c/strong> has a butcher shop and sandwich place in Rockridge's Market Hall, but to get the full experience you really should travel to the farm's flagship location just outside downtown Point Reyes Station. That shop serves up its local, sustainable, grass-fed meat, along with cooked-to-order burgers and sandwiches, at its restaurant. While the farm does have a wholesale business, you can also get the high-quality meat delivered fresh to you through their CSA. Or just buy a share of a whole animal and it'll be cut specifically for you. In 2014, Marin Sun Farms also bought \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2014/03/12/saving-the-local-slaughterhouse/\" target=\"_blank\">the beleaguered Petaluma slaughterhouse\u003c/a> and took over the meat processing to help ensure the integrity of its meats as they travel from farm to fork.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://www.marinsunfarms.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Marin Sun Farms\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n10905 Shoreline Highway [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/nDzIyh\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nPoint Reyes Station, CA 94956\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 663-1800\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Mon, Thu 11am-5pm; Fri-Sun 11am-7pm; Tue-Wed Closed / Restaurant - Mon, Thu 11:30am-5pm; Fri-Sun 11:30am-7pm; Tue-Wed Closed\u003cbr>\n5655 College Avenue (inside Rockridge Market Hall) [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/eAY6Sc\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nOakland, CA 94618\u003cbr>\nPh: (510) 601-8997\u003cbr>\nHours: Mon-Fri 9am-8pm; Sat 9am-7pm; Sun 10am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/marinsunfarms\" target=\"_blank\">Marin Sun Farms\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/marinsunfarms\" target=\"_blank\">@MarinSunFarms\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/marinsunfarms/\" target=\"_blank\">MarinSunFarms\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nPinterest: \u003ca href=\"https://www.pinterest.com/MarinSunFarms/\" target=\"_blank\">Marin Sun Farms\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","link":"none","size":"full","ids":"100308,100309,100311,100312,100313,100314,100310","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Olivier, for whom \u003cstrong>Olivier's Butchery\u003c/strong> is named, grew up in France with a family of butchers. After moving to San Francisco, he wanted to bring that French tradition of local butchers across the ocean. Olivier's has been open since 2011 in an unassuming street in the Dogpatch neighborhood that's right by the water. Olivier still hand-picks all the animals to be served up in his shop and visits each of the ranches he works with every week. Because French traditional cuts (and old-fashioned hand tools) are part of Olivier's staple, there are often some uniquely European specialties available in the wide open fridges. While much of the meat that comes through is beef, Olivier's also makes unique spiced sausages and serves up pork, lamb, and even veal at times. Order ahead for the super-aged beef, which is aged for 100, 165 or even over 200 days -- and sells out well in advance. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://oliviersbutchery.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Olivier's Butchery\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\n1074 Illinois Street [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/IlIsHf\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94107\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 558-9887\u003cbr>\nHours: Tue-Fri 11am-7pm; Sat 10am-6pm; Sun 10am-5pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/Oliviers-Butchery-215945865096594/timeline/\" target=\"_blank\">Olivier's Butchery\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/frenchbutchery?lang=en\" target=\"_blank\">@frenchbutchery\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nInstagram: \u003ca href=\"https://instagram.com/frenchbutchery/\" target=\"_blank\">FrenchButchery\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","size":"full","link":"none","ids":"100211,100216,100214,100212,100213,100215,100217","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prather Ranch is exactly what it sounds like: \u003ca href=\"http://www.pratherranch.com/\" target=\"_blank\">a ranch.\u003c/a> Located up near Mt. Shasta, they started selling meat directly to consumers at farmers' markets way back in 1997. In 2002, the \u003cstrong>Prather Ranch Meat Company\u003c/strong> was founded to sell high-quality meat in a more organized fashion. Today the retail shop in the Ferry Building has cuts from its namesake ranch, as well a few other partner ranches that meet the company's high standard -- like \u003ca href=\"http://www.oregonlamb.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Anderson Ranches\u003c/a> for all the company's lamb. Prather Ranch Meat Co. still continues to sell at farmers' markets -- \u003ca href=\"http://prmeatco.com/locate-us/\" target=\"_blank\">check the schedule\u003c/a> -- and directly to \u003ca href=\"http://prmeatco.com/restaurant-sales/\" target=\"_blank\">a number of restaurants\u003c/a>. A popular addition to its retail location, the American Eatery lunch counter always has a long line for fresh sausages, steak sandwiches, and hamburgers. If you don't want to wait, join the meat club for a standing monthly order to be delivered to your house.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"http://prmeatco.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Prather Ranch Meat Company\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nFerry Building Marketplace [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/fSN9RD\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nSan Francisco, CA 94111\u003cbr>\n(Prather Ranch also sells at a range of farmers markets; \u003ca href=\"http://prmeatco.com/locate-us/\" target=\"_blank\">check the schedule\u003c/a>)\u003cbr>\nPh: (415) 391-0420\u003cbr>\nHours: Butchery - Mon-Fri 10am-7pm; Sat 8am-6pm; Sun 10am-5pm / American Eatery Restaurant - Mon-Fri 7:30am-3pm; Sat 8am-4pm; Sun 9am-5pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/pratherranchmeatcompany\" target=\"_blank\">Prather Ranch Meat Company\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\nTwitter: \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/prmeatco\" target=\"_blank\">@PRMeatCo\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"gallery","attributes":{"named":{"type":"slideshow","link":"none","size":"full","ids":"100272,100273,100275,100274,100278,100276,100277","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A long-standing community staple, \u003cstrong>Ver Brugge Foods\u003c/strong> has been serving up meat cuts, prepared hot foods, and even fish for over 30 years. While the shop has expanded its selection of local and sustainably raised meat, it focuses on making high-quality and fresh meat available at inexpensive prices. Along with all the standard cuts, the shop also has some more exotic animals, like elk -- especially if you call ahead to place a special order. You can also buy bones or stock. Or get some cheese to go with your meat. Put your name in the raffle jar for a chance to win $25 each month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.yelp.com/biz/ver-brugge-foods-oakland-2\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cstrong>Ver Brugge Foods\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n6321 College Avenue [\u003ca href=\"https://goo.gl/maps/UjdA8Dfv9tS2\" target=\"_blank\">Map\u003c/a>]\u003cbr>\nOakland, CA 94618\u003cbr>\nPh: (510) 658-6854\u003cbr>\nHours: Daily 9am-6pm\u003cbr>\nFacebook: \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/vbfoods/timeline\" target=\"_blank\">Ver Brugge Foods\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/bayareabites/100150/bay-area-bites-guide-to-12-great-butcher-shops","authors":["1459"],"series":["bayareabites_15150"],"categories":["bayareabites_109","bayareabites_264","bayareabites_8770","bayareabites_13746","bayareabites_1875","bayareabites_366","bayareabites_90"],"tags":["bayareabites_412","bayareabites_9757","bayareabites_2221","bayareabites_8778","bayareabites_12584","bayareabites_14879","bayareabites_1531","bayareabites_14878","bayareabites_14880","bayareabites_12120","bayareabites_4159","bayareabites_243","bayareabites_14883","bayareabites_14881","bayareabites_14882"],"featImg":"bayareabites_100304","label":"bayareabites_15150"},"bayareabites_73893":{"type":"posts","id":"bayareabites_73893","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"bayareabites","id":"73893","score":null,"sort":[1385132258000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"talking-turkey-part-2-tips-and-techniques-for-cooking-your-thanksgiving-bird","title":"Talking Turkey, Part 2: Tips and Techniques for Cooking Your Thanksgiving Bird","publishDate":1385132258,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Bay Area Bites | KQED Food","labelTerm":{"site":"bayareabites"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_74132\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/turkey321.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/turkey321.jpg\" alt=\"Deconstructed Turkey - breast and wings cooked separately from legs and thighs. Photo: Wendy Goodfriend\" width=\"1000\" height=\"669\" class=\"size-full wp-image-74132\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Deconstructed Turkey - breast and wings cooked separately from legs and thighs. Photo: \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/author/wendy-goodfriend/\">Wendy Goodfriend\u003c/a>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Turkey time is fast approaching. By now, we hope you've used our handy \u003ca href=\"//blogs.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/10/19/talking-turkey-how-to-choose-your-thanksgiving-bird/\">Talking Turkey\u003c/a> guide to figure out what kind of bird you want. Once your bird's ordered, though, things can get a little panicky. As author Sam Sifton put it so memorably,\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"You can go your whole life and then wake up one morning and look in the refrigerator at this animal carcass the size of a toddler and think: \u003cem>I have to cook that today.\"\u003c/em> \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Ward off big-bird anxiety by chatting with your friendly neighborhood butcher. Bay Area Bites recently asked Monica Rocchino of \u003ca href=\"http://www.thelocalbutchershop.com\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a> in Berkeley for her advice on avoiding the most typical turkey fails. Rocchino is a big advocate for the take-it-apart approach outlined by Kim Laidlaw in her recent column, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/11/13/deconstructed-turkey-a-succulent-alternative-to-a-thanksgiving-classic/\">Deconstructed Turkey\u003c/a>. For Rocchino's take on this bake-and-braise method, check out her Berkeleyside column from last year, \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyside.com/2012/11/14/why-norman-rockwells-turkey-dinner-sets-us-up-to-fail/\">Why Norman Rockwell's Turkey Dinner Sets Us Up to Fail.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_74128\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/monica1000.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/monica1000.jpg\" alt=\"Monica Rocchino of The Local Butcher Shop in Berkeley. Photo: Jordan Davidson\" width=\"1000\" height=\"665\" class=\"size-full wp-image-74128\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Monica Rocchino of The Local Butcher Shop in Berkeley. Photo: Jordan Davidson\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bay Area Bites: Brining: yes or no?\u003c/strong> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rocchino:\u003c/strong> Brining definitely helps to keep your bird moist and protects it from overcooking. It also seasons the bird really well. It’s hard to properly season a whole bird with all of its nooks and crannies, and also get the cavity seasoned evenly. A brine solution allows the seasonings to get into all of the cracks evenly and also allows the salt to be absorbed into the meat, not just on the skin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bay Area Bites: Is there one big mistake you think people make in preparing and/or cooking their turkeys? What's the best way to avoid it?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rocchino:\u003c/strong> There are two big mistakes. Number one, you have to bring the bird up to room temperature before you put it in the oven. This allows for even cooking rather than the outside getting hammered with heat while the inside tries to catch up. Number two, you have to let the turkey rest before you carve it. This can take up to an hour. If you don’t allow the turkey to rest, all of the juices will spill out when you carve it, leaving a really juicy cutting board and a really dry turkey. It’s better to have a room temperature piece of turkey that is juicy with hot gravy on top rather than a piping hot slice of turkey that is super dry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bay Area Bites: How do you know when your turkey is ready?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rocchino: \u003c/strong>Any instant read thermometer will do the trick. Make sure it is calibrated before you use it. When you take the bird’s temperature, make sure to test it in the thickest part of the thigh, which takes the longest to cook. Again, it’s best to cook the turkey in parts so that your breast is cooked correctly and your legs are also cooked correctly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/thanksgiving-samsifton.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/thanksgiving-samsifton-193x290.jpg\" alt=\"Thanksgiving: How to Cook It Well by Sam Sifton\" width=\"193\" height=\"290\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-74110\">\u003c/a> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still need a little hand-holding to get you through the run-up to the big day? What you need is a book that will make you feel like you're hanging out in the cozy kitchen of the writer as he or she stirs, fries, gossips, and bakes. On this front, nothing beats Sifton's \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400069912/kqedorg-20\">Thanksgiving: How to Cook it Well\u003c/a>. Sifton spent close to a decade as a writer and editor at the \u003ca href=\"http://nypress.com/\">New York Press\u003c/a>, a scrappy alternative weekly, before he was tapped for the dining section of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com\">New York Times\u003c/a>. So, despite two years as the Times' restaurant critic--an Olympian position if there ever was one--Sifton's voice is amusing and approachable, pretense-free but reassuringly knowledgable. For a couple of years he spent Thanksgiving Day in the newsroom of the Times, answering panicked questions from readers. As he writes,\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"I was a one-man Thanksgiving help line. The questions came fast and furious...I answered questions on the newspaper's Web site about burning turkeys and still-frozen ones, bland gravies and last-minute cranberry sauces, too-thick corn puddings, underdone squash, what to do with someone's vegan aunt or carnivorous boss. I consulted on failed pumpkin pies and epic turducken blunders. I worked the turkey-oven-temperature-time equation as if studying for a doctoral exam.\"\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>He stands up for cloth napkins, nothing canned (except for canned pumpkin for pies, and, if you must, that wiggly cranberry jelly), and proper table settings and passed family-style platters rather than piles of plates next to serve-yourself pans on the kitchen counter. But he doesn't care if your table is plywood and your plates mismatched; it's the gesture, not the price of the wedding china, that counts. The main thing is finding joy in your companions and serenity, somewhere, in the cooking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even if you have your recipes nailed down, his book is worth a read for its numerous helpful hints. Sketch out the pots and pans you'll need to cook each dish ahead of time, so you know what might be missing before you're elbow-deep in squash. Ditto laying out all the serving dishes and utensils on the dinner table a day or two beforehand. That way, you'll know, first, if they fit, and second, if you need to shop for (or borrow) an extra gravy boat, more serving spoons, or a bigger bowl for the mashed potatoes. (Plus, festive anticipation!)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/homecooking.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/homecooking-185x290.jpg\" alt=\"Home Cooking: A Writer in the Kitchen by Laurie Colwin\" width=\"185\" height=\"290\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-74114\">\u003c/a>Innumerable Thanksgivings across the land have been bettered by the Cornbread and Proscuitto Stuffing recipe detailed in \"Stuffing: A Confession\" in Laurie Colwin's \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307474410/kqedorg-20\">Home Cooking,\u003c/a> and by the roast turkey, turkey jook, turkey salad, pecan-chestnut stuffing, and Cider Jelly in \"Turkey Angst\" and \"All the Trimmings\" from \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060955317/kqedorg-20\">More Home Cooking.\u003c/a> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Colwin, a much-loved novelist who died in 1992, has an unmistakable voice: funny, chatty, warm, encouraging and confident that anyone who wants to can turn out a decent meal. Speaking from happy experience, I can attest that just about all her recipes can be made in a tiny kitchen, using garage-sale equipment, with a much greater payoff in pleasure than their humble ingredients might warrant at first glance.\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/morehomecooking.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/morehomecooking-189x290.jpg\" alt=\"More Home Cooking by Laurie Colwin\" width=\"189\" height=\"290\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-74116\">\u003c/a>My copies of her two books of essays-with-recipes are annotated, soup-splashed, and falling apart with love and use. When I go into new friends' homes and see their own battered versions, I know we'll be not only good friends but like-minded partners in the kitchen. As Colwin writes about her leftover turkey salad, studded with scallions and capers and dressed with lemon-spiked mayonnaise, \u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"You need not feel greedy if this turkey salad is consumed entirely by you. A person who bastes a turkey all day long on behalf of other people's holiday pleasure deserves it. This person is a \u003cem>saint,\u003c/em> and if she or he has finished off all the nicest turkey bits plus the last of the capers, tough darts. Turkey roasting's heroes deserve rewards.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Colwin's approach, sensible and unfussy, is a less profane version than cooking teacher Mary Risley's now-classic moment of Thanksgiving reassurance, \u003cstrong>Just Put the F*cking Turkey in the Oven\u003c/strong>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[youtube //www.youtube.com/watch?v=foA0MGUbYH0]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But if the thought of cooking that toddler-size carcass in the fridge is keeping you up at night, \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0762444843/kqedorg-20\">Culinary Birds: The Ultimate Poultry Cookbook\u003c/a> will calm you down more effectively than chug-a-lugging the Pinot on Thursday morning. Longtime wine country chef, culinary instructor and cookbook author John Ash breaks down all the basics you need to know to get your bird on the table browned, juicy, and ready for carving. He offers two main Thanksgiving-classic recipes: \u003cstrong>Roast Turkey with herb gravy\u003c/strong>, and \u003cstrong>Smoked Turkey on the Grill\u003c/strong> (recipe below), both brined in a salt solution flavored with maple syrup, fresh ginger, soy sauce, and garlic. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/TG-bookcover.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/TG-bookcover.jpg\" alt=\"Culinary Birds: The Ultimate Poultry Cookbook by John Ash. Photo: Jessica Nicosia-Nadler\" width=\"400\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-74107\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Recipe: Smoked Turkey on the Grill\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Reprinted with permission from \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0762444843/kqedorg-20\">Culinary Birds\u003c/a> by John Ash, Running Press 2013.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You’ll need a barbecue with a tight cover so that you can control the amount of oxygen and heat. To maximize the flavor and moisture, brine the bird first, then select a good hardwood to use as the smoking medium. You can find them in various sizes from sawdust to small chips to chunks. They all work. Hickory and oak are probably the most commonly available, but also look for fruit woods such as apple, pear, cherry, walnut, or pecan. You will need a good thermometer. I prefer the digital version, which you can leave in the bird the entire time. Use the indirect method described in the recipe and be sure to regulate the heat so that the bird doesn’t cook too quickly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The following recipe makes a gallon or so of brine, which should be plenty for a 12- to 14-pound turkey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MAKES 12 SERVINGS\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>2 cups (400g) packed brown sugar\u003cbr>\n1 cup (250g) pure maple syrup\u003cbr>\n3/4 cup (170g) coarse salt\u003cbr>\n3 whole heads garlic, cloves separated and bruised\u003cbr>\n6 large bay leaves\u003cbr>\n1 1/2 cups (144g) coarsely chopped unpeeled fresh ginger\u003cbr>\n2 teaspoons dried red chili flakes\u003cbr>\n1 1/2 cups (350mL) soy sauce\u003cbr>\n3 quarts (2.85L) water\u003cbr>\n12- to 14-pound (5.4 to 6.3kg) dressed fresh turkey\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>1. Combine all the ingredients except the turkey in a large enamel or stainless steel stockpot that is large enough to hold the brine and the turkey. Bring to a simmer and then remove from the heat and allow to cool thoroughly. Rinse the turkey well; remove the neck and giblets, and save them for stock or discard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>2. Submerge the turkey in the cooled brine. Be sure there is enough brine to cover the bird. If not, add water to cover. Refrigerate for at least 2 days and up to 4. Turn the bird in the brine twice a day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>3. Remove the bird from the brine and pat dry. Lightly brush the bird with olive oil and set aside. Prepare the barbecue by lighting 24 charcoal briquettes (preferably in a chimney starter). When hot and spotted gray, divide the briquettes in half and push to opposite sides of the grate. Place a metal drip pan that is at least 1 inch deep in the center with the hot coals on either side. The pan should be large enough to catch the drips from anywhere on the turkey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>4. Place a half cup or so of the wood smoking chips in the center of a double layer of heavy duty foil cut approximately 10 inches square. Form the foil into a ball shape and poke some holes in it. Place on top of one of the mounds of hot coals*.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>5. Put the upper rack of the barbecue in place and then center the turkey on the rack over the drip pan. Cover the barbecue and partially close the air vents to restrict the oxygen (but not so much so that you put out the coals). Within a few minutes, the wood chips should start smoking. Regulate the vents to keep the chips smoking and the coals slowly burning. Check every 25 minutes or so to make sure the coals are still hot and smoke is continuing. Add charcoal and additional chips as needed. The internal temperature of the barbecue should be in the 275°F to 300°F range.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>6. Keep the smoke going for 1 1/2 to 2 hours. After that, remove any remaining wood chips and continue cooking without smoke until the bird is done. This ensures that the turkey will not be too smoky in flavor, but you can adjust to taste. The total cooking time for a 12- to 14-pound bird will be approximately 3 to 3 1/2 hours. The internal temperature of the bird should be 165°F when tested at the thickest part of the thigh or breast. Make sure the thermometer is not touching bone. You can also test by cutting a little incision at the leg-thigh joint and making sure the meat is cooked and juices run clear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>7. Remove the turkey from the barbecue and allow it to rest at least 30 minutes before carving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>*Alternatively, you can use a small 6-inch cast iron skillet to hold the wood chips. Look at garage sales and keep it for this purpose.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Thanksgiving is fast approaching. Bay Area Bites talks turkey with Local Butcher Shop's Monica Rocchino, collects some tips from favorite cookbooks, and finds a great recipe for Smoked Turkey on the Grill from the newest cookbook from the wine country's John Ash. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1388510840,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":36,"wordCount":2095},"headData":{"title":"Talking Turkey, Part 2: Tips and Techniques for Cooking Your Thanksgiving Bird | KQED","description":"Thanksgiving is fast approaching. Bay Area Bites talks turkey with Local Butcher Shop's Monica Rocchino, collects some tips from favorite cookbooks, and finds a great recipe for Smoked Turkey on the Grill from the newest cookbook from the wine country's John Ash. 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Photo: Wendy Goodfriend\" width=\"1000\" height=\"669\" class=\"size-full wp-image-74132\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Deconstructed Turkey - breast and wings cooked separately from legs and thighs. Photo: \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/author/wendy-goodfriend/\">Wendy Goodfriend\u003c/a>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Turkey time is fast approaching. By now, we hope you've used our handy \u003ca href=\"//blogs.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/10/19/talking-turkey-how-to-choose-your-thanksgiving-bird/\">Talking Turkey\u003c/a> guide to figure out what kind of bird you want. Once your bird's ordered, though, things can get a little panicky. As author Sam Sifton put it so memorably,\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"You can go your whole life and then wake up one morning and look in the refrigerator at this animal carcass the size of a toddler and think: \u003cem>I have to cook that today.\"\u003c/em> \u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Ward off big-bird anxiety by chatting with your friendly neighborhood butcher. Bay Area Bites recently asked Monica Rocchino of \u003ca href=\"http://www.thelocalbutchershop.com\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a> in Berkeley for her advice on avoiding the most typical turkey fails. Rocchino is a big advocate for the take-it-apart approach outlined by Kim Laidlaw in her recent column, \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/11/13/deconstructed-turkey-a-succulent-alternative-to-a-thanksgiving-classic/\">Deconstructed Turkey\u003c/a>. For Rocchino's take on this bake-and-braise method, check out her Berkeleyside column from last year, \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyside.com/2012/11/14/why-norman-rockwells-turkey-dinner-sets-us-up-to-fail/\">Why Norman Rockwell's Turkey Dinner Sets Us Up to Fail.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_74128\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/monica1000.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/monica1000.jpg\" alt=\"Monica Rocchino of The Local Butcher Shop in Berkeley. Photo: Jordan Davidson\" width=\"1000\" height=\"665\" class=\"size-full wp-image-74128\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Monica Rocchino of The Local Butcher Shop in Berkeley. Photo: Jordan Davidson\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bay Area Bites: Brining: yes or no?\u003c/strong> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rocchino:\u003c/strong> Brining definitely helps to keep your bird moist and protects it from overcooking. It also seasons the bird really well. It’s hard to properly season a whole bird with all of its nooks and crannies, and also get the cavity seasoned evenly. A brine solution allows the seasonings to get into all of the cracks evenly and also allows the salt to be absorbed into the meat, not just on the skin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bay Area Bites: Is there one big mistake you think people make in preparing and/or cooking their turkeys? What's the best way to avoid it?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rocchino:\u003c/strong> There are two big mistakes. Number one, you have to bring the bird up to room temperature before you put it in the oven. This allows for even cooking rather than the outside getting hammered with heat while the inside tries to catch up. Number two, you have to let the turkey rest before you carve it. This can take up to an hour. If you don’t allow the turkey to rest, all of the juices will spill out when you carve it, leaving a really juicy cutting board and a really dry turkey. It’s better to have a room temperature piece of turkey that is juicy with hot gravy on top rather than a piping hot slice of turkey that is super dry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bay Area Bites: How do you know when your turkey is ready?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rocchino: \u003c/strong>Any instant read thermometer will do the trick. Make sure it is calibrated before you use it. When you take the bird’s temperature, make sure to test it in the thickest part of the thigh, which takes the longest to cook. Again, it’s best to cook the turkey in parts so that your breast is cooked correctly and your legs are also cooked correctly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/thanksgiving-samsifton.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/thanksgiving-samsifton-193x290.jpg\" alt=\"Thanksgiving: How to Cook It Well by Sam Sifton\" width=\"193\" height=\"290\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-74110\">\u003c/a> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still need a little hand-holding to get you through the run-up to the big day? What you need is a book that will make you feel like you're hanging out in the cozy kitchen of the writer as he or she stirs, fries, gossips, and bakes. On this front, nothing beats Sifton's \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400069912/kqedorg-20\">Thanksgiving: How to Cook it Well\u003c/a>. Sifton spent close to a decade as a writer and editor at the \u003ca href=\"http://nypress.com/\">New York Press\u003c/a>, a scrappy alternative weekly, before he was tapped for the dining section of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com\">New York Times\u003c/a>. So, despite two years as the Times' restaurant critic--an Olympian position if there ever was one--Sifton's voice is amusing and approachable, pretense-free but reassuringly knowledgable. For a couple of years he spent Thanksgiving Day in the newsroom of the Times, answering panicked questions from readers. As he writes,\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"I was a one-man Thanksgiving help line. The questions came fast and furious...I answered questions on the newspaper's Web site about burning turkeys and still-frozen ones, bland gravies and last-minute cranberry sauces, too-thick corn puddings, underdone squash, what to do with someone's vegan aunt or carnivorous boss. I consulted on failed pumpkin pies and epic turducken blunders. I worked the turkey-oven-temperature-time equation as if studying for a doctoral exam.\"\n\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>He stands up for cloth napkins, nothing canned (except for canned pumpkin for pies, and, if you must, that wiggly cranberry jelly), and proper table settings and passed family-style platters rather than piles of plates next to serve-yourself pans on the kitchen counter. But he doesn't care if your table is plywood and your plates mismatched; it's the gesture, not the price of the wedding china, that counts. The main thing is finding joy in your companions and serenity, somewhere, in the cooking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even if you have your recipes nailed down, his book is worth a read for its numerous helpful hints. Sketch out the pots and pans you'll need to cook each dish ahead of time, so you know what might be missing before you're elbow-deep in squash. Ditto laying out all the serving dishes and utensils on the dinner table a day or two beforehand. That way, you'll know, first, if they fit, and second, if you need to shop for (or borrow) an extra gravy boat, more serving spoons, or a bigger bowl for the mashed potatoes. (Plus, festive anticipation!)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/homecooking.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/homecooking-185x290.jpg\" alt=\"Home Cooking: A Writer in the Kitchen by Laurie Colwin\" width=\"185\" height=\"290\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-74114\">\u003c/a>Innumerable Thanksgivings across the land have been bettered by the Cornbread and Proscuitto Stuffing recipe detailed in \"Stuffing: A Confession\" in Laurie Colwin's \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307474410/kqedorg-20\">Home Cooking,\u003c/a> and by the roast turkey, turkey jook, turkey salad, pecan-chestnut stuffing, and Cider Jelly in \"Turkey Angst\" and \"All the Trimmings\" from \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060955317/kqedorg-20\">More Home Cooking.\u003c/a> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Colwin, a much-loved novelist who died in 1992, has an unmistakable voice: funny, chatty, warm, encouraging and confident that anyone who wants to can turn out a decent meal. Speaking from happy experience, I can attest that just about all her recipes can be made in a tiny kitchen, using garage-sale equipment, with a much greater payoff in pleasure than their humble ingredients might warrant at first glance.\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/morehomecooking.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/morehomecooking-189x290.jpg\" alt=\"More Home Cooking by Laurie Colwin\" width=\"189\" height=\"290\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-74116\">\u003c/a>My copies of her two books of essays-with-recipes are annotated, soup-splashed, and falling apart with love and use. When I go into new friends' homes and see their own battered versions, I know we'll be not only good friends but like-minded partners in the kitchen. As Colwin writes about her leftover turkey salad, studded with scallions and capers and dressed with lemon-spiked mayonnaise, \u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"You need not feel greedy if this turkey salad is consumed entirely by you. A person who bastes a turkey all day long on behalf of other people's holiday pleasure deserves it. This person is a \u003cem>saint,\u003c/em> and if she or he has finished off all the nicest turkey bits plus the last of the capers, tough darts. Turkey roasting's heroes deserve rewards.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Colwin's approach, sensible and unfussy, is a less profane version than cooking teacher Mary Risley's now-classic moment of Thanksgiving reassurance, \u003cstrong>Just Put the F*cking Turkey in the Oven\u003c/strong>. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/foA0MGUbYH0'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/foA0MGUbYH0'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But if the thought of cooking that toddler-size carcass in the fridge is keeping you up at night, \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0762444843/kqedorg-20\">Culinary Birds: The Ultimate Poultry Cookbook\u003c/a> will calm you down more effectively than chug-a-lugging the Pinot on Thursday morning. Longtime wine country chef, culinary instructor and cookbook author John Ash breaks down all the basics you need to know to get your bird on the table browned, juicy, and ready for carving. He offers two main Thanksgiving-classic recipes: \u003cstrong>Roast Turkey with herb gravy\u003c/strong>, and \u003cstrong>Smoked Turkey on the Grill\u003c/strong> (recipe below), both brined in a salt solution flavored with maple syrup, fresh ginger, soy sauce, and garlic. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/TG-bookcover.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/11/TG-bookcover.jpg\" alt=\"Culinary Birds: The Ultimate Poultry Cookbook by John Ash. Photo: Jessica Nicosia-Nadler\" width=\"400\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-74107\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Recipe: Smoked Turkey on the Grill\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Reprinted with permission from \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0762444843/kqedorg-20\">Culinary Birds\u003c/a> by John Ash, Running Press 2013.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You’ll need a barbecue with a tight cover so that you can control the amount of oxygen and heat. To maximize the flavor and moisture, brine the bird first, then select a good hardwood to use as the smoking medium. You can find them in various sizes from sawdust to small chips to chunks. They all work. Hickory and oak are probably the most commonly available, but also look for fruit woods such as apple, pear, cherry, walnut, or pecan. You will need a good thermometer. I prefer the digital version, which you can leave in the bird the entire time. Use the indirect method described in the recipe and be sure to regulate the heat so that the bird doesn’t cook too quickly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The following recipe makes a gallon or so of brine, which should be plenty for a 12- to 14-pound turkey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MAKES 12 SERVINGS\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>2 cups (400g) packed brown sugar\u003cbr>\n1 cup (250g) pure maple syrup\u003cbr>\n3/4 cup (170g) coarse salt\u003cbr>\n3 whole heads garlic, cloves separated and bruised\u003cbr>\n6 large bay leaves\u003cbr>\n1 1/2 cups (144g) coarsely chopped unpeeled fresh ginger\u003cbr>\n2 teaspoons dried red chili flakes\u003cbr>\n1 1/2 cups (350mL) soy sauce\u003cbr>\n3 quarts (2.85L) water\u003cbr>\n12- to 14-pound (5.4 to 6.3kg) dressed fresh turkey\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>1. Combine all the ingredients except the turkey in a large enamel or stainless steel stockpot that is large enough to hold the brine and the turkey. Bring to a simmer and then remove from the heat and allow to cool thoroughly. Rinse the turkey well; remove the neck and giblets, and save them for stock or discard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>2. Submerge the turkey in the cooled brine. Be sure there is enough brine to cover the bird. If not, add water to cover. Refrigerate for at least 2 days and up to 4. Turn the bird in the brine twice a day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>3. Remove the bird from the brine and pat dry. Lightly brush the bird with olive oil and set aside. Prepare the barbecue by lighting 24 charcoal briquettes (preferably in a chimney starter). When hot and spotted gray, divide the briquettes in half and push to opposite sides of the grate. Place a metal drip pan that is at least 1 inch deep in the center with the hot coals on either side. The pan should be large enough to catch the drips from anywhere on the turkey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>4. Place a half cup or so of the wood smoking chips in the center of a double layer of heavy duty foil cut approximately 10 inches square. Form the foil into a ball shape and poke some holes in it. Place on top of one of the mounds of hot coals*.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>5. Put the upper rack of the barbecue in place and then center the turkey on the rack over the drip pan. Cover the barbecue and partially close the air vents to restrict the oxygen (but not so much so that you put out the coals). Within a few minutes, the wood chips should start smoking. Regulate the vents to keep the chips smoking and the coals slowly burning. Check every 25 minutes or so to make sure the coals are still hot and smoke is continuing. Add charcoal and additional chips as needed. The internal temperature of the barbecue should be in the 275°F to 300°F range.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>6. Keep the smoke going for 1 1/2 to 2 hours. After that, remove any remaining wood chips and continue cooking without smoke until the bird is done. This ensures that the turkey will not be too smoky in flavor, but you can adjust to taste. The total cooking time for a 12- to 14-pound bird will be approximately 3 to 3 1/2 hours. The internal temperature of the bird should be 165°F when tested at the thickest part of the thigh or breast. Make sure the thermometer is not touching bone. You can also test by cutting a little incision at the leg-thigh joint and making sure the meat is cooked and juices run clear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>7. Remove the turkey from the barbecue and allow it to rest at least 30 minutes before carving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>*Alternatively, you can use a small 6-inch cast iron skillet to hold the wood chips. Look at garage sales and keep it for this purpose.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/bayareabites/73893/talking-turkey-part-2-tips-and-techniques-for-cooking-your-thanksgiving-bird","authors":["5038"],"categories":["bayareabites_752","bayareabites_2254","bayareabites_588","bayareabites_2695","bayareabites_12550","bayareabites_1763"],"tags":["bayareabites_12694","bayareabites_3217","bayareabites_12120","bayareabites_530","bayareabites_543"],"featImg":"bayareabites_74108","label":"bayareabites"},"bayareabites_72218":{"type":"posts","id":"bayareabites_72218","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"bayareabites","id":"72218","score":null,"sort":[1382194239000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"talking-turkey-how-to-choose-your-thanksgiving-bird","title":"Talking Turkey: How to Choose Your Thanksgiving Bird","publishDate":1382194239,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Bay Area Bites | KQED Food","labelTerm":{"site":"bayareabites"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_72493\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 350px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/10/turkey-belcampo600.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-72493\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/10/turkey-belcampo600.jpg\" alt=\"Belcampo turkeys on the farm in Shasta Valley. Photo: courtesy of Belcampo\" width=\"350\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Belcampo turkeys on the farm in Shasta Valley.\u003cbr>Photo: courtesy of Belcampo\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated November 7, 2019. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now's the time to figure out what kind of turkey you want on your table. Options abound, as do prices. So, how can you get the best of your bird?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Here a few questions to help you deconstruct your turkey-buying possibilities:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>What is your budget?\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Are you looking for a fresh or frozen turkey?\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>How many people will you be feeding (and how many leftover-turkey sandwiches do you want to make)?\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>What's important to you and your family: Organics? Avoiding GMOs? Humane practices? Helping preserve heritage breeds?\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Do you, your family, or your guests have a strong preference for white over dark meat, or vice versa? How adventurous a cook (and eaters) are you working with?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch3>Turkey Prices\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Prices for turkeys really vary, depending on where you're shopping, and more importantly, how the turkey was raised. Supermarkets often price their mass-produced frozen turkeys very cheaply, even giving them away if you spend a certain amount on other items. By contrast, a locally and humanely raised bird that's been freely wandering the green pastures of Marin or Sonoma for five or six months and eating organic, certified non-GMO feed can cost between $75 and $150, possibly more, depending on size. However, there are a variety of options between free and top-of-the-line, so it's worth calling around to quality butcher shops in your area to see what they're offering.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Fresh vs Frozen\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Refrigerator real estate is one prime reason for buying a fresh, rather than frozen, bird. The safest, most reliable way to thaw out a frozen bird is in the refrigerator. Count on a thaw rate of four pounds a day, which getting a frozen bird oven-ready can take anywhere from two to four or even five days. In other words, you'll need several days' worth of turkey-sized thawing space available in your fridge if you buy a frozen bird. A fresh bird is just that, probably dispatched less than a week before being purchased.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Local Brands and Butchers\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Both \u003ca href=\"http://www.diestelturkey.com\">Diestel Turkey\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://www.williebird.com\">Willie Bird\u003c/a> focus exclusively on turkey raising--Diestel in Sonora, in the Sierra Foothills near Yosemite, and Willie Bird in Santa Rosa, in Sonoma county. Both are longtime family-run operations, and their birds are available at many butcher shops and specialty markets around the Bay Area. Willie Bird sells both free-range and free-range organic birds, while Diestel offers several different types: classic \"original\" birds, organic birds, pasture-raised birds, and its heirloom collection of old-fashioned breeds, a mix of Bronze, Auburn, and Black. All of Diestel's birds except for the \"original\" birds are raised on certified non-GMO feed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"http://www.fattedcalf.com/\">Fatted Calf\u003c/a> (in San Francisco's Hayes Valley and the Oxbow Market in Napa) will be taking orders for heritage turkeys raised by \u003ca href=\"http://www.goodshepherdpoultryranch.com/\">Good Shepherd Ranch\u003c/a> in Lindeborg, Kansas. \u003ca href=\"http://www.thelocalbutchershop.com\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a> in Berkeley will also serve Good Shepherd Ranch turkeys, and they're offering delivery in the East Bay. According to a Fatted Calf newsletter, farmer Fred Reese \"began raising birds in the 1950′s, maintained and improved his flock over the years and now has the oldest continuous strain of standard bred turkeys in North America. Some of Frank’s heritage turkeys come from bloodlines dating back to the mid 1800’s.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.slowfoodrr.org\">Slow Food Russian River\u003c/a> will be partnering with \u003ca href=\"http://cesonoma.ucanr.edu/Youth_Development/\">Sonoma County 4-H\u003c/a> for this year's \u003ca href=\"http://www.slowfoodrr.org/projects/heritage-turkeys/order-your-thanksgiving-heritage-breed-turkeys-now/\">Heritage Turkey Project\u003c/a>. The turkeys raised by young 4-H farmers in Sonoma are a mix of Bronze, Narragansett, Midget Whites and Holland Whites.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.marinsunfarms.com/\">Marin Sun Farms\u003c/a>, based in Inverness, will be selling turkeys raised on its farms in West Marin. They'll be offering both White Breasted and heritage turkeys, which are a mix of several breeds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All Marin Sun Farms turkeys are sold frozen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[youtube //www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk-V7hD5XQ0]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What size should you ask for?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>6-8 people, 10-12 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>8-10 people, 12-16 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>10-12 people, 14-16 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>12-14 people, 16-18 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>14-16 people, 20-22 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>The bigger the bird, the higher the meat-to-bone ratio. You'll want at least 12 ounces of meat per person, which will come out to about 2 pounds of raw, bone-in bird for a small turkey, and about 1 1/2 pounds raw bone-in bird for a larger one. It also helps to be flexible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Joshua and Jessica Applestone note in their book \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307716627/kqedorg-20\">The Butchers' Guide to Well-Raised Meat\u003c/a>,\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"You cannot tell by looking at a young bird how big it will be, and you cannot stop it from growing until you slaughter it...to sell fresh birds means slaughtering mere days before Thanksgiving, five at most, between a typical Saturday slaughter and a Wednesday pickup.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>If you order a 12-pound bird, you might not have the means (or oven size) to take a 30-pound bird instead, but expect a window of say, 2 to 4 pounds between what you order and what you get. Being a lover of cold turkey sandwiches, I never mind extras, and you can always send home care packages with your guests. But if the specter of weeks of turkey tetrazzini wakes you in a cold sweat, order smaller.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_72492\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/10/2013_MSFheritageTurkeys_Pasture1000.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-72492\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/10/2013_MSFheritageTurkeys_Pasture1000.jpg\" alt=\"Marin Sun Farms Broad Breasted Bronze and heritage turkeys are pasture-raised. Photo: courtesy Marin Sun Farms\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Marin Sun Farms Broad Breasted Bronze and heritage turkeys are pasture-raised. Photo: courtesy Marin Sun Farms\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Free Range vs Pasture-Raised\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>As with chickens, and eggs, \"free range\" and \"pasture-raised\" mean two different things. Free-range birds are not confined in individual cages, and they have access to the outdoors. Pasture-raised birds, by contrast, spend most of their days outside, usually rotating to a new field every few days. At night, they typically roost in mobile poultry pens to keep them safe from predators. Pasture-raised turkeys also have a more natural diet, since they're able to supplement their grain-based feed with plants and high-protein bugs and bug larvae found in the fields. Organic turkeys are raised free-range, are kept free of antibiotics, and are raised on organically grown feed.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What about Breeds?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The typical supermarket bird, the Broad-Breasted White, is just that: a bird that's been bred as the \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Doda\">Carol Doda\u003c/a> of turkeys. These birds offer what supermarkets think Americans like: lots and lots of very mild white breast meat. Since the 1960s, these have been the dominant — and in many places, the only — turkey breed in the U.S. Heritage breeds, by contrast, are breeds that were popular during the nineteenth century up through the 1930s. These breeds are now experiencing a renaissance, much like heirloom vegetables. They are closer in style to wild turkeys, offering more dark meat, a little more chew and typically, more flavor as well. Heritage breeds grow slowly, part of the reason for their high price. A typical heritage bird needs up to 28 weeks of care and feeding to reach its finished weight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All well and good, but if you have a houseful of white-meat-only eaters, splurging on a heritage bird may leave a lot of dark meat on the platter.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Order Ahead\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once you've decided on the type of bird you'd like, order ahead. Procrastination is no friend to the turkey buyer. Most independent butcher shops contract with local ranchers for a certain number of birds. Remember, it can take up to 28 weeks to raise a turkey to roasting size. if you've got your heart set on getting a bird of a particular breed or provenance, placing your order several weeks ahead will spare both you, and your butcher shop, from boiling over with last-minute turkey-sourcing stress. Also, remember that four-pounds-a-day thawing rule; you can't buy a rock-hard frozen turkey on November 27 and expect it to be ready to roast the next morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Pre-ordering at \u003ca href=\"http://www.thelocalbutchershop.com\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a> is a must, as they only order a few extra. They'll be taking orders now through November 16, either in person, online, or by phone.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Reserve your Heritage Turkey Project turkey (with a $40 deposit) from Slow Food Russian River by mail. Print out the order form from the \u003ca href=\"http://www.slowfoodrr.org/projects/heritage-turkeys/order-your-thanksgiving-heritage-breed-turkeys-now/\">Slow Food Russian River blog\u003c/a>.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://belcampo.com/\">Belcampo\u003c/a> is selling organic turkey (Heritage Turkey) online through their \u003ca href=\"https://belcampo.com/shop/\">shop\u003c/a>.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.fattedcalf.com/locations/\">Fatted Calf\u003c/a> will take turkey orders by phone or over email at either store.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Marin Sun Farms is \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/marinsunfarms/photos/a.122782597744464/2014203388602366/?type=3&theater\">taking orders\u003c/a> by email with pickups in Oakland and Point Reyes.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Sure, the thermometer might read 75 degrees, but before you know it, turkey time will be upon us. Wondering about heritage breeds? Pasture-raised? Or just how big a bird you'll need feed your clan? Take the guesswork out of buying your holiday turkey with Bay Area Bites' guide to sourcing the best birds around the Bay. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1573155427,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":21,"wordCount":1449},"headData":{"title":"Talking Turkey: How to Choose Your Thanksgiving Bird | KQED","description":"Sure, the thermometer might read 75 degrees, but before you know it, turkey time will be upon us. Wondering about heritage breeds? Pasture-raised? Or just how big a bird you'll need feed your clan? Take the guesswork out of buying your holiday turkey with Bay Area Bites' guide to sourcing the best birds around the Bay. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"disqusIdentifier":"72218 http://blogs.kqed.org/bayareabites/?p=72218","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/10/19/talking-turkey-how-to-choose-your-thanksgiving-bird/","disqusTitle":"Talking Turkey: How to Choose Your Thanksgiving Bird","path":"/bayareabites/72218/talking-turkey-how-to-choose-your-thanksgiving-bird","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_72493\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 350px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/10/turkey-belcampo600.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-72493\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/10/turkey-belcampo600.jpg\" alt=\"Belcampo turkeys on the farm in Shasta Valley. Photo: courtesy of Belcampo\" width=\"350\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Belcampo turkeys on the farm in Shasta Valley.\u003cbr>Photo: courtesy of Belcampo\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated November 7, 2019. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now's the time to figure out what kind of turkey you want on your table. Options abound, as do prices. So, how can you get the best of your bird?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Here a few questions to help you deconstruct your turkey-buying possibilities:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>What is your budget?\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Are you looking for a fresh or frozen turkey?\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>How many people will you be feeding (and how many leftover-turkey sandwiches do you want to make)?\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>What's important to you and your family: Organics? Avoiding GMOs? Humane practices? Helping preserve heritage breeds?\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Do you, your family, or your guests have a strong preference for white over dark meat, or vice versa? How adventurous a cook (and eaters) are you working with?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch3>Turkey Prices\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Prices for turkeys really vary, depending on where you're shopping, and more importantly, how the turkey was raised. Supermarkets often price their mass-produced frozen turkeys very cheaply, even giving them away if you spend a certain amount on other items. By contrast, a locally and humanely raised bird that's been freely wandering the green pastures of Marin or Sonoma for five or six months and eating organic, certified non-GMO feed can cost between $75 and $150, possibly more, depending on size. However, there are a variety of options between free and top-of-the-line, so it's worth calling around to quality butcher shops in your area to see what they're offering.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Fresh vs Frozen\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Refrigerator real estate is one prime reason for buying a fresh, rather than frozen, bird. The safest, most reliable way to thaw out a frozen bird is in the refrigerator. Count on a thaw rate of four pounds a day, which getting a frozen bird oven-ready can take anywhere from two to four or even five days. In other words, you'll need several days' worth of turkey-sized thawing space available in your fridge if you buy a frozen bird. A fresh bird is just that, probably dispatched less than a week before being purchased.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Local Brands and Butchers\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Both \u003ca href=\"http://www.diestelturkey.com\">Diestel Turkey\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://www.williebird.com\">Willie Bird\u003c/a> focus exclusively on turkey raising--Diestel in Sonora, in the Sierra Foothills near Yosemite, and Willie Bird in Santa Rosa, in Sonoma county. Both are longtime family-run operations, and their birds are available at many butcher shops and specialty markets around the Bay Area. Willie Bird sells both free-range and free-range organic birds, while Diestel offers several different types: classic \"original\" birds, organic birds, pasture-raised birds, and its heirloom collection of old-fashioned breeds, a mix of Bronze, Auburn, and Black. All of Diestel's birds except for the \"original\" birds are raised on certified non-GMO feed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"http://www.fattedcalf.com/\">Fatted Calf\u003c/a> (in San Francisco's Hayes Valley and the Oxbow Market in Napa) will be taking orders for heritage turkeys raised by \u003ca href=\"http://www.goodshepherdpoultryranch.com/\">Good Shepherd Ranch\u003c/a> in Lindeborg, Kansas. \u003ca href=\"http://www.thelocalbutchershop.com\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a> in Berkeley will also serve Good Shepherd Ranch turkeys, and they're offering delivery in the East Bay. According to a Fatted Calf newsletter, farmer Fred Reese \"began raising birds in the 1950′s, maintained and improved his flock over the years and now has the oldest continuous strain of standard bred turkeys in North America. Some of Frank’s heritage turkeys come from bloodlines dating back to the mid 1800’s.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.slowfoodrr.org\">Slow Food Russian River\u003c/a> will be partnering with \u003ca href=\"http://cesonoma.ucanr.edu/Youth_Development/\">Sonoma County 4-H\u003c/a> for this year's \u003ca href=\"http://www.slowfoodrr.org/projects/heritage-turkeys/order-your-thanksgiving-heritage-breed-turkeys-now/\">Heritage Turkey Project\u003c/a>. The turkeys raised by young 4-H farmers in Sonoma are a mix of Bronze, Narragansett, Midget Whites and Holland Whites.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.marinsunfarms.com/\">Marin Sun Farms\u003c/a>, based in Inverness, will be selling turkeys raised on its farms in West Marin. They'll be offering both White Breasted and heritage turkeys, which are a mix of several breeds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All Marin Sun Farms turkeys are sold frozen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/yk-V7hD5XQ0'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/yk-V7hD5XQ0'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What size should you ask for?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>6-8 people, 10-12 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>8-10 people, 12-16 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>10-12 people, 14-16 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>12-14 people, 16-18 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>14-16 people, 20-22 lbs\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>The bigger the bird, the higher the meat-to-bone ratio. You'll want at least 12 ounces of meat per person, which will come out to about 2 pounds of raw, bone-in bird for a small turkey, and about 1 1/2 pounds raw bone-in bird for a larger one. It also helps to be flexible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Joshua and Jessica Applestone note in their book \u003ca href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307716627/kqedorg-20\">The Butchers' Guide to Well-Raised Meat\u003c/a>,\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"You cannot tell by looking at a young bird how big it will be, and you cannot stop it from growing until you slaughter it...to sell fresh birds means slaughtering mere days before Thanksgiving, five at most, between a typical Saturday slaughter and a Wednesday pickup.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>If you order a 12-pound bird, you might not have the means (or oven size) to take a 30-pound bird instead, but expect a window of say, 2 to 4 pounds between what you order and what you get. Being a lover of cold turkey sandwiches, I never mind extras, and you can always send home care packages with your guests. But if the specter of weeks of turkey tetrazzini wakes you in a cold sweat, order smaller.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_72492\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/10/2013_MSFheritageTurkeys_Pasture1000.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-72492\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/10/2013_MSFheritageTurkeys_Pasture1000.jpg\" alt=\"Marin Sun Farms Broad Breasted Bronze and heritage turkeys are pasture-raised. Photo: courtesy Marin Sun Farms\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Marin Sun Farms Broad Breasted Bronze and heritage turkeys are pasture-raised. Photo: courtesy Marin Sun Farms\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Free Range vs Pasture-Raised\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>As with chickens, and eggs, \"free range\" and \"pasture-raised\" mean two different things. Free-range birds are not confined in individual cages, and they have access to the outdoors. Pasture-raised birds, by contrast, spend most of their days outside, usually rotating to a new field every few days. At night, they typically roost in mobile poultry pens to keep them safe from predators. Pasture-raised turkeys also have a more natural diet, since they're able to supplement their grain-based feed with plants and high-protein bugs and bug larvae found in the fields. Organic turkeys are raised free-range, are kept free of antibiotics, and are raised on organically grown feed.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What about Breeds?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The typical supermarket bird, the Broad-Breasted White, is just that: a bird that's been bred as the \u003ca href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Doda\">Carol Doda\u003c/a> of turkeys. These birds offer what supermarkets think Americans like: lots and lots of very mild white breast meat. Since the 1960s, these have been the dominant — and in many places, the only — turkey breed in the U.S. Heritage breeds, by contrast, are breeds that were popular during the nineteenth century up through the 1930s. These breeds are now experiencing a renaissance, much like heirloom vegetables. They are closer in style to wild turkeys, offering more dark meat, a little more chew and typically, more flavor as well. Heritage breeds grow slowly, part of the reason for their high price. A typical heritage bird needs up to 28 weeks of care and feeding to reach its finished weight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All well and good, but if you have a houseful of white-meat-only eaters, splurging on a heritage bird may leave a lot of dark meat on the platter.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Order Ahead\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once you've decided on the type of bird you'd like, order ahead. Procrastination is no friend to the turkey buyer. Most independent butcher shops contract with local ranchers for a certain number of birds. Remember, it can take up to 28 weeks to raise a turkey to roasting size. if you've got your heart set on getting a bird of a particular breed or provenance, placing your order several weeks ahead will spare both you, and your butcher shop, from boiling over with last-minute turkey-sourcing stress. Also, remember that four-pounds-a-day thawing rule; you can't buy a rock-hard frozen turkey on November 27 and expect it to be ready to roast the next morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Pre-ordering at \u003ca href=\"http://www.thelocalbutchershop.com\">The Local Butcher Shop\u003c/a> is a must, as they only order a few extra. They'll be taking orders now through November 16, either in person, online, or by phone.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Reserve your Heritage Turkey Project turkey (with a $40 deposit) from Slow Food Russian River by mail. Print out the order form from the \u003ca href=\"http://www.slowfoodrr.org/projects/heritage-turkeys/order-your-thanksgiving-heritage-breed-turkeys-now/\">Slow Food Russian River blog\u003c/a>.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://belcampo.com/\">Belcampo\u003c/a> is selling organic turkey (Heritage Turkey) online through their \u003ca href=\"https://belcampo.com/shop/\">shop\u003c/a>.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.fattedcalf.com/locations/\">Fatted Calf\u003c/a> will take turkey orders by phone or over email at either store.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Marin Sun Farms is \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/marinsunfarms/photos/a.122782597744464/2014203388602366/?type=3&theater\">taking orders\u003c/a> by email with pickups in Oakland and Point Reyes.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/bayareabites/72218/talking-turkey-how-to-choose-your-thanksgiving-bird","authors":["5038"],"categories":["bayareabites_109","bayareabites_752","bayareabites_1874","bayareabites_95","bayareabites_12550","bayareabites_1763","bayareabites_1875"],"tags":["bayareabites_8699","bayareabites_12591","bayareabites_12584","bayareabites_12120","bayareabites_4159","bayareabites_530","bayareabites_543"],"featImg":"bayareabites_72491","label":"bayareabites"},"bayareabites_66849":{"type":"posts","id":"bayareabites_66849","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"bayareabites","id":"66849","score":null,"sort":[1375293428000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bay-area-food-tours-behind-the-scenes-with-edible-excursions-founder-lisa-rogovin","title":"Bay Area Food Tours: Behind the Scenes With Edible Excursions Founder Lisa Rogovin","publishDate":1375293428,"format":"aside","headTitle":"Bay Area Bites | KQED Food","labelTerm":{"site":"bayareabites"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66944\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-3036.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-3036.jpg\" alt=\"A food sherpa, epicurean concierge, or culinary guide? Lisa Rogovin, founder of Edible Excursions. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"400\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66944\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A food sherpa, epicurean concierge, or culinary guide? Lisa Rogovin, owner of Edible Excursions. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In today's \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/dining/food-sherpas-guide-you-to-a-citys-culinary-secrets.html?ref=dining\">New York Times\u003c/a>\u003c/em> food section Jeff Gordinier checks in with local \u003ca href=\"http://www.edibleexcursions.net/\">Edible Excursions\u003c/a> owner Lisa Rogovin about what to look for when choosing a food tour here or abroad. Rogovin spent seven years in sales with \u003cem>Gourmet\u003c/em> magazine before launching her own food tour company in 2004. She's been pounding the pavement introducing guests to restaurants, cafes, and food producers in San Francisco, the East Bay, and Marin for the past nine years. Currently, a dozen guides lead 25-40 intimate food forays a month that showcase culinary picks in the city's \u003ca href=\"http://www.ferrybuildingmarketplace.com/\">Ferry Building\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfweekly.com/bestof/2011/award/best-way-to-eat-your-way-through-the-mission-2481708/\">Mission District\u003c/a>, and \u003ca href=\"http://sfjapantown.org/\">Japantown\u003c/a>, as well as Berkeley's \u003ca href=\"http://www.gourmetghetto.org/\">Gourmet Ghetto\u003c/a> and Oakland's \u003ca href=\"http://www.modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/best-of-the-bay-2013-food\">Temescal neighborhood\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rogovin, 43, lives with her husband and two children in Glen Park. She spoke with BAB's Sarah Henry about what her job entails and why there's such a demand for food tours. (Full disclosure: Henry met Rogovin three years ago, when she interviewed her for a \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyside.com/2010/07/23/berkeley-bites-lisa-rogovin-epicurean-concierge/\">story\u003c/a>. For the past two years she's led East Bay jaunts for Edible Excursions and curated the latest tour \u003ca href=\"http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/05/31/5-hot-new-food-tours-and-foodie-meccas-for-summer/\">Temescal Tastes\u003c/a>.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The edible entrepreneur shares some of her favorite local dining destinations, chimes in on what she thinks of terms like \"foodie,\" and offers a sneak peek into her new tours. Cocktails anyone?\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66942\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2634.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2634.jpg\" alt=\"Learning about the finer points of coffee from Luigi Oldani of Cro Cafe on Edible Excursions' Temescal tour with guide Eve Mezvinsky in foreground. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"1000\" height=\"713\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66942\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Learning about the finer points of coffee from Luigi Oldani of Cro Cafe on Edible Excursions' Temescal tour with guide Eve Mezvinsky in foreground. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What is the biggest myth about your day job?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People think that I eat all day. It's true I eat out a ton but I also run a business, with all that that entails. Even when I lead a tour I don't eat at every stop or I'd end up in a food coma.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Do you eat on tours you lead?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's usually at least one or two stops I can't resist on every tour: Sake Onigiri at Kissako Tea in \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2012/01/12/tasting-tour-uncovers-japantown%E2%80%99s-tempting-secrets/\">Japantown\u003c/a>, the \u003ca href=\"http://thelocalbutchershop.com/sandwiches/\">Local Butcher Shop sandwich\u003c/a> and everything and anything from \u003ca href=\"http://cheeseboardcollective.coop/\">Cheese Board\u003c/a> in Berkeley, \u003ca href=\"http://wisesonsdeli.com/\">Wise Sons\u003c/a> for pastrami on the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2011/03/26/mission-reinvention-food-businesses-buck-recession/\">Mission 24th tour\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://tacolicious.com/\">Tacolicious\u003c/a> on the Mission 18th tour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What does a typical work week look like for you?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I lead private and Japantown tours. Last week I lead a group of Genentech employees through the Ferry Building and a Contiki group through the Mission. I spent most of Wednesday scouting locations for an upcoming Oakland tour, followed by drinks with girlfriends at \u003ca href=\"http://bsidebbq.com/\">B-Side BBQ\u003c/a>, owned by my friend \u003ca href=\"http://bsidebbq.com/\">Tanya Holland\u003c/a>. We took Tanya to \u003ca href=\"http://duendeoakland.com/\">Duende\u003c/a> in Uptown for dinner. I recommend the \u003cem>arroz negro\u003c/em>. I had business meetings at \u003ca href=\"http://www.slanteddoor.com/\">Slanted Door\u003c/a> twice last week and two meals at \u003ca href=\"http://www.contigosf.com/\">Contigo\u003c/a>. From around six in the morning to about 11 at night I'm continually fielding questions and requests from my tour coordinator, guides, and guests. I make a point of staying connected with my existing food partners, building and maintaining those relationships and making sure things are working for them in relation to our tours. There's also website updating and social media to do. Last week I also worked on proposals for potential tours, one for next year's \u003ca href=\"http://www.specialtyfood.com/fancy-food-show/\">Fancy Food Show\u003c/a>, one for a Google group, and another for a delegation of dentists from Korea coming to San Francisco for a convention. I met with UC Berkeley contacts about offering tours to different departments there and I interviewed a potential new guide. I go over scheduling, invoicing, and other administrative stuff like handling fundraising requests with my operations manager.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My husband and I celebrated the eighth anniversary of our meeting with dinner at \u003ca href=\"http://www.fireflyrestaurant.com/\">Firefly\u003c/a> and dessert at \u003ca href=\"http://theicecreambarsf.com/\">The Ice Cream Bar\u003c/a> in Cole Valley (malted milkshake and brownie sundae.) I'm a mom, so there's the care, feeding, and transporting of children too. It's important to me that we have family meals together. That's how childhood memories are made. We took the kids to \u003ca href=\"http://www.sundaystreetssf.com/\">Sunday Streets\u003c/a> in the Mission and had lunch at \u003ca href=\"http://www.missionpicnic.com/\">Mission Picnic\u003c/a>. I try to exercise five times a week—running, Zumba, working out with a personal trainer--it's necessary in this job to burn calories. I exercise to eat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66934\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/taco-hand.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/taco-hand.jpg\" alt=\"Lisa Rogovin favors simple fare such as tacos over fancy pants food. Photo: Robin Jolin\" width=\"400\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66934\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rogovin favors simple fare such as tacos over fancy pants food. Photo: Robin Jolin\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How often do you eat out and do you ever tire of restaurant food? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I eat at restaurants about seven times a week. Eating out is my sport of choice. I love variety so I enjoy both hole-in-the-walls such as \u003ca href=\"http://basaseafoodexpress.net/\">Basa Seafood\u003c/a> for clam chowder or \u003ca href=\"http://www.elfarolitoinc.com/\">El Farolito\u003c/a> for \u003cem>al pastor\u003c/em> tacos. I like neighborhood joints like \u003ca href=\"http://www.dosasf.com/\">Dosa\u003c/a> as much if not more than sleek and trendy spots. I'm not really into the three-hour, high-end dining experiences like I used to do at \u003cem>Gourmet\u003c/em>. I'm just not into the pomp and circumstance. There was a time when I went to places like \u003ca href=\"http://coirestaurant.com/\">Coi\u003c/a> or \u003ca href=\"http://quincerestaurant.com/\">Quince\u003c/a> for dinners three times a week but now I choose simpler dining experiences. I did have an impressive meal recently at \u003ca href=\"http://www.sonsanddaughterssf.com/\">Sons & Daughters\u003c/a>. They're crazy talented and creative in the kitchen. I ate Fort Bragg sea urchin with Delta asparagus. My most memorable meal lately was at \u003ca href=\"http://statebirdsf.com/\">State Bird Provisions\u003c/a>. The dining experience is executed in a unique way I found exciting. The menu changes all night long: What's available at 6 may not be available at 9. We had a smoked sturgeon pancake with horseradish schmear that was delicious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What kind of home cook are you and what's your go-to family dinner?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cooking at home has changed drastically since my little ones (Livia, 2 and Matthew, 4) came along. Popping corn for my kids is considered cooking these days. I enjoy cooking but I have five minutes max of uninterrupted kitchen time. Now I cook about once a week when a recipe I read inspires me. I love \u003cem>Bon Appetit\u003c/em> since Adam Rapoport came on as editor-in-chief. I just bought ingredients for Corn Maque Choux from the July issue. I hope I find time to make the dish or else I'll throw the corn and some protein on the grill. We just started having a personal chef, \u003ca href=\"http://www.kitchit.com/profiles/chefs/joshua-clever\">Joshua Clever\u003c/a>, who also happens to be one of my guides, come to our house twice a month and he cooks entrees and sides and fixes salads. My husband and I love salads: Micro greens, arugula, toasted nuts, dried or fresh seasonal fruit and some Israeli feta or blue or shaved aged goat. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you think of the terms \"foodie\" and \"gourmet\" and do these labels describe you?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gourmet feels stodgy. Old school. Foodie is ubiquitous these days. What does that word even mean? I don't spend a moment thinking about these words. Maybe \"food obsessed\" is a better label for me. \u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66941\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2496.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2496.jpg\" alt=\"Ex-Edible Excursions guide Preeti Mistry of Juhu Beach Club opened a restaurant in Oakland instead of San Francisco. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"400\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66941\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ex-Edible Excursions guide Preeti Mistry of Juhu Beach Club opened a restaurant in Oakland instead of San Francisco. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How has the culinary landscape evolved in the nine years you've lead food tours?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's been great food in the Bay Area for decades, thanks to the California Cuisine movement a la \u003ca href=\"http://www.chezpanisse.com/intro.php\">Chez Panisse\u003c/a> and its many disciples. But I think there's lots more of it now and it has spread way beyond Berkeley's Gourmet Ghetto and San Francisco's Ferry Building. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Did you coin the term \"epicurean concierge\" and what does it mean to you?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I worked for \u003cem>Gourmet\u003c/em> a colleague who worked for \u003cem>Vanity Fair\u003c/em> thought I should call myself an \"epicurean concierge.\" I love the title. You turn to a hotel concierge to find out about a region and what to do. Guests can turn to Edible Excursions guides to learn about the food scene here. That's one of the cool things about having your own business. You can call yourself whatever you want. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why do you think there's so much interest now in the Bay Area in what we eat?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Area people have been focused on what they eat for decades. In part, it has to do with our access to high quality ingredients year round growing within close proximity to the public. In recent years, the number of farmers' markets have grown so you can find a market six days a week. People aren't waiting for Saturday to head to the Ferry Plaza they're going to the Fillmore, Castro, Civic Center, Noe Valley and Glen Park. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Food TV, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, Meetup and a slew of other social media have put a magnifying glass over what and where people eat. I get it. I love to look at food. I follow \u003ca href=\"http://instagram.com/offalchris#\">Chris Cosentino\u003c/a> of \u003ca href=\"http://incanto.biz/\">Incanto\u003c/a> on Instagram to see what dishes he's prepared for his menu. He can make something like offal, which may not initially sound appealing, come to life with Gravenstein apples and toasted walnuts. I grew up with a dad who loved to take pictures of food. One of my favorite photos from my childhood is a plate of perfectly charred steak at \u003ca href=\"http://www.peterluger.com/brooklyn.cfm\">Peter Lugar's in Brooklyn\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66940\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2413.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2413.jpg\" alt=\"The kouign amann from Brian Wood of Starter Bakery has quite the cult following in the East Bay. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"1000\" height=\"664\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66940\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The kouign amann from Brian Wood of Starter Bakery has quite the cult following in the East Bay. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you want guests to take away from a food tour?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People get so much more than food on an Edible Excursion tour. They also glean insights and information about the people making or growing the food, regional history, and local culture. Hopefully, that experience will help shape the way people shop for food or select a restaurant. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Who takes your tours?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Family, friends, and coworkers. Lawyers, builders, doctors, retired grandmas, finance people, high-school sweethearts, activists, and moms who met when their kids were in preschool but are now in college or married with kids of their own. We offer \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/03/18/deaf-foodies-savor-gourmet-ghetto-tasting-tour-in-sign-language/\">sign-language tours to the deaf community\u003c/a> too. Some guests are just there to take it all in. Others think they are the world's foremost authorities about everything and want to share their knowledge with the rest of the group. As their guides, it's our job to manage the more challenging personalities so they're not interfering with other guests' experiences. Another typical personality we come across is someone who just can't get enough info and fires off question after question. It's great to have engaged customers but we're on a tight timeline so we know how to move things along gently so as not to offend or dismiss anyone. \u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_67069\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2915.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2915.jpg\" alt=\"Edible Excursions tour in Oakland's Temescal neighborhood. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"1000\" height=\"664\" class=\"size-full wp-image-67069\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Edible Excursions tour in Oakland's Temescal neighborhood. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What qualities do you look for in a guide?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A genuine desire to educate guests about the local food scene and the surrounding community. A great anticipator: A person who has a calm and collected demeanor in the face of disaster and difficult personalities who can adapt depending on the group, weather, or what's going on for our partner businesses. Someone who can build a strong rapport with guests and merchants. There's definitely a performance aspect to it: A guide needs to be on for three hours, even when most peoples' attention spans wane around the 30 minute mark. That's why we keep things moving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's next for Edible Excursions?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>New tours, in no particular order: A San Francisco Cocktail Tour: The drinks menu has become an increasingly creative place and we want to spotlight the bartenders who are crafting these specialty sips. And, maybe because I'm a mom, I really look forward to a cocktail at the end of the day. More Oakland tours, in Uptown, Old Oakland, and beyond because the food scene there is exploding. There's incredible local pride along with a lot of chefs who might have opened in San Francisco who are heading to \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/02/24/chef-preeti-mistry-juhu-beach-club-in-temescal/\">Oakland\u003c/a> instead. It's perhaps the most exciting and talked about food scene locally. And Dogpatch in the city, because it's a hidden gem yet to get the attention it deserves. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I also want to offer culinary excursions for young families. So many kids are picky eaters and I think if they're given a fun way to explore other foods and flavors they might buy into it. Kids who are picky are more likely to try new things if the idea doesn't originate from their parents. Food tours are a great thing to do with terrible teens too; food really does help break down barriers and connect people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>If you could choose ahead, what would your Last Supper look like?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I could see going out with a smile after eating a Reuben sandwich from \u003ca href=\"http://stagslunchette.com/\">Stag's Lunchette\u003c/a>. But I'd need some clean greens on the side for a balance so maybe steamed broccoli rabe too. Oh, and a tequila cocktail to round out the mix.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Edible Excursions owner Lisa Rogovin explains what a typical week for a food tour company operator looks like. 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Lisa Rogovin, founder of Edible Excursions. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"400\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66944\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A food sherpa, epicurean concierge, or culinary guide? Lisa Rogovin, owner of Edible Excursions. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In today's \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/dining/food-sherpas-guide-you-to-a-citys-culinary-secrets.html?ref=dining\">New York Times\u003c/a>\u003c/em> food section Jeff Gordinier checks in with local \u003ca href=\"http://www.edibleexcursions.net/\">Edible Excursions\u003c/a> owner Lisa Rogovin about what to look for when choosing a food tour here or abroad. Rogovin spent seven years in sales with \u003cem>Gourmet\u003c/em> magazine before launching her own food tour company in 2004. She's been pounding the pavement introducing guests to restaurants, cafes, and food producers in San Francisco, the East Bay, and Marin for the past nine years. Currently, a dozen guides lead 25-40 intimate food forays a month that showcase culinary picks in the city's \u003ca href=\"http://www.ferrybuildingmarketplace.com/\">Ferry Building\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://www.sfweekly.com/bestof/2011/award/best-way-to-eat-your-way-through-the-mission-2481708/\">Mission District\u003c/a>, and \u003ca href=\"http://sfjapantown.org/\">Japantown\u003c/a>, as well as Berkeley's \u003ca href=\"http://www.gourmetghetto.org/\">Gourmet Ghetto\u003c/a> and Oakland's \u003ca href=\"http://www.modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/best-of-the-bay-2013-food\">Temescal neighborhood\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rogovin, 43, lives with her husband and two children in Glen Park. She spoke with BAB's Sarah Henry about what her job entails and why there's such a demand for food tours. (Full disclosure: Henry met Rogovin three years ago, when she interviewed her for a \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyside.com/2010/07/23/berkeley-bites-lisa-rogovin-epicurean-concierge/\">story\u003c/a>. For the past two years she's led East Bay jaunts for Edible Excursions and curated the latest tour \u003ca href=\"http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/05/31/5-hot-new-food-tours-and-foodie-meccas-for-summer/\">Temescal Tastes\u003c/a>.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The edible entrepreneur shares some of her favorite local dining destinations, chimes in on what she thinks of terms like \"foodie,\" and offers a sneak peek into her new tours. Cocktails anyone?\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66942\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2634.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2634.jpg\" alt=\"Learning about the finer points of coffee from Luigi Oldani of Cro Cafe on Edible Excursions' Temescal tour with guide Eve Mezvinsky in foreground. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"1000\" height=\"713\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66942\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Learning about the finer points of coffee from Luigi Oldani of Cro Cafe on Edible Excursions' Temescal tour with guide Eve Mezvinsky in foreground. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What is the biggest myth about your day job?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People think that I eat all day. It's true I eat out a ton but I also run a business, with all that that entails. Even when I lead a tour I don't eat at every stop or I'd end up in a food coma.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Do you eat on tours you lead?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's usually at least one or two stops I can't resist on every tour: Sake Onigiri at Kissako Tea in \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2012/01/12/tasting-tour-uncovers-japantown%E2%80%99s-tempting-secrets/\">Japantown\u003c/a>, the \u003ca href=\"http://thelocalbutchershop.com/sandwiches/\">Local Butcher Shop sandwich\u003c/a> and everything and anything from \u003ca href=\"http://cheeseboardcollective.coop/\">Cheese Board\u003c/a> in Berkeley, \u003ca href=\"http://wisesonsdeli.com/\">Wise Sons\u003c/a> for pastrami on the \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2011/03/26/mission-reinvention-food-businesses-buck-recession/\">Mission 24th tour\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"http://tacolicious.com/\">Tacolicious\u003c/a> on the Mission 18th tour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What does a typical work week look like for you?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I lead private and Japantown tours. Last week I lead a group of Genentech employees through the Ferry Building and a Contiki group through the Mission. I spent most of Wednesday scouting locations for an upcoming Oakland tour, followed by drinks with girlfriends at \u003ca href=\"http://bsidebbq.com/\">B-Side BBQ\u003c/a>, owned by my friend \u003ca href=\"http://bsidebbq.com/\">Tanya Holland\u003c/a>. We took Tanya to \u003ca href=\"http://duendeoakland.com/\">Duende\u003c/a> in Uptown for dinner. I recommend the \u003cem>arroz negro\u003c/em>. I had business meetings at \u003ca href=\"http://www.slanteddoor.com/\">Slanted Door\u003c/a> twice last week and two meals at \u003ca href=\"http://www.contigosf.com/\">Contigo\u003c/a>. From around six in the morning to about 11 at night I'm continually fielding questions and requests from my tour coordinator, guides, and guests. I make a point of staying connected with my existing food partners, building and maintaining those relationships and making sure things are working for them in relation to our tours. There's also website updating and social media to do. Last week I also worked on proposals for potential tours, one for next year's \u003ca href=\"http://www.specialtyfood.com/fancy-food-show/\">Fancy Food Show\u003c/a>, one for a Google group, and another for a delegation of dentists from Korea coming to San Francisco for a convention. I met with UC Berkeley contacts about offering tours to different departments there and I interviewed a potential new guide. I go over scheduling, invoicing, and other administrative stuff like handling fundraising requests with my operations manager.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My husband and I celebrated the eighth anniversary of our meeting with dinner at \u003ca href=\"http://www.fireflyrestaurant.com/\">Firefly\u003c/a> and dessert at \u003ca href=\"http://theicecreambarsf.com/\">The Ice Cream Bar\u003c/a> in Cole Valley (malted milkshake and brownie sundae.) I'm a mom, so there's the care, feeding, and transporting of children too. It's important to me that we have family meals together. That's how childhood memories are made. We took the kids to \u003ca href=\"http://www.sundaystreetssf.com/\">Sunday Streets\u003c/a> in the Mission and had lunch at \u003ca href=\"http://www.missionpicnic.com/\">Mission Picnic\u003c/a>. I try to exercise five times a week—running, Zumba, working out with a personal trainer--it's necessary in this job to burn calories. I exercise to eat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66934\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/taco-hand.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/taco-hand.jpg\" alt=\"Lisa Rogovin favors simple fare such as tacos over fancy pants food. Photo: Robin Jolin\" width=\"400\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66934\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rogovin favors simple fare such as tacos over fancy pants food. Photo: Robin Jolin\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How often do you eat out and do you ever tire of restaurant food? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I eat at restaurants about seven times a week. Eating out is my sport of choice. I love variety so I enjoy both hole-in-the-walls such as \u003ca href=\"http://basaseafoodexpress.net/\">Basa Seafood\u003c/a> for clam chowder or \u003ca href=\"http://www.elfarolitoinc.com/\">El Farolito\u003c/a> for \u003cem>al pastor\u003c/em> tacos. I like neighborhood joints like \u003ca href=\"http://www.dosasf.com/\">Dosa\u003c/a> as much if not more than sleek and trendy spots. I'm not really into the three-hour, high-end dining experiences like I used to do at \u003cem>Gourmet\u003c/em>. I'm just not into the pomp and circumstance. There was a time when I went to places like \u003ca href=\"http://coirestaurant.com/\">Coi\u003c/a> or \u003ca href=\"http://quincerestaurant.com/\">Quince\u003c/a> for dinners three times a week but now I choose simpler dining experiences. I did have an impressive meal recently at \u003ca href=\"http://www.sonsanddaughterssf.com/\">Sons & Daughters\u003c/a>. They're crazy talented and creative in the kitchen. I ate Fort Bragg sea urchin with Delta asparagus. My most memorable meal lately was at \u003ca href=\"http://statebirdsf.com/\">State Bird Provisions\u003c/a>. The dining experience is executed in a unique way I found exciting. The menu changes all night long: What's available at 6 may not be available at 9. We had a smoked sturgeon pancake with horseradish schmear that was delicious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What kind of home cook are you and what's your go-to family dinner?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cooking at home has changed drastically since my little ones (Livia, 2 and Matthew, 4) came along. Popping corn for my kids is considered cooking these days. I enjoy cooking but I have five minutes max of uninterrupted kitchen time. Now I cook about once a week when a recipe I read inspires me. I love \u003cem>Bon Appetit\u003c/em> since Adam Rapoport came on as editor-in-chief. I just bought ingredients for Corn Maque Choux from the July issue. I hope I find time to make the dish or else I'll throw the corn and some protein on the grill. We just started having a personal chef, \u003ca href=\"http://www.kitchit.com/profiles/chefs/joshua-clever\">Joshua Clever\u003c/a>, who also happens to be one of my guides, come to our house twice a month and he cooks entrees and sides and fixes salads. My husband and I love salads: Micro greens, arugula, toasted nuts, dried or fresh seasonal fruit and some Israeli feta or blue or shaved aged goat. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you think of the terms \"foodie\" and \"gourmet\" and do these labels describe you?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gourmet feels stodgy. Old school. Foodie is ubiquitous these days. What does that word even mean? I don't spend a moment thinking about these words. Maybe \"food obsessed\" is a better label for me. \u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66941\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2496.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2496.jpg\" alt=\"Ex-Edible Excursions guide Preeti Mistry of Juhu Beach Club opened a restaurant in Oakland instead of San Francisco. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"400\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66941\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ex-Edible Excursions guide Preeti Mistry of Juhu Beach Club opened a restaurant in Oakland instead of San Francisco. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How has the culinary landscape evolved in the nine years you've lead food tours?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There's been great food in the Bay Area for decades, thanks to the California Cuisine movement a la \u003ca href=\"http://www.chezpanisse.com/intro.php\">Chez Panisse\u003c/a> and its many disciples. But I think there's lots more of it now and it has spread way beyond Berkeley's Gourmet Ghetto and San Francisco's Ferry Building. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Did you coin the term \"epicurean concierge\" and what does it mean to you?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I worked for \u003cem>Gourmet\u003c/em> a colleague who worked for \u003cem>Vanity Fair\u003c/em> thought I should call myself an \"epicurean concierge.\" I love the title. You turn to a hotel concierge to find out about a region and what to do. Guests can turn to Edible Excursions guides to learn about the food scene here. That's one of the cool things about having your own business. You can call yourself whatever you want. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why do you think there's so much interest now in the Bay Area in what we eat?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Area people have been focused on what they eat for decades. In part, it has to do with our access to high quality ingredients year round growing within close proximity to the public. In recent years, the number of farmers' markets have grown so you can find a market six days a week. People aren't waiting for Saturday to head to the Ferry Plaza they're going to the Fillmore, Castro, Civic Center, Noe Valley and Glen Park. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Food TV, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, Meetup and a slew of other social media have put a magnifying glass over what and where people eat. I get it. I love to look at food. I follow \u003ca href=\"http://instagram.com/offalchris#\">Chris Cosentino\u003c/a> of \u003ca href=\"http://incanto.biz/\">Incanto\u003c/a> on Instagram to see what dishes he's prepared for his menu. He can make something like offal, which may not initially sound appealing, come to life with Gravenstein apples and toasted walnuts. I grew up with a dad who loved to take pictures of food. One of my favorite photos from my childhood is a plate of perfectly charred steak at \u003ca href=\"http://www.peterluger.com/brooklyn.cfm\">Peter Lugar's in Brooklyn\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66940\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2413.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2413.jpg\" alt=\"The kouign amann from Brian Wood of Starter Bakery has quite the cult following in the East Bay. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"1000\" height=\"664\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66940\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The kouign amann from Brian Wood of Starter Bakery has quite the cult following in the East Bay. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What do you want guests to take away from a food tour?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People get so much more than food on an Edible Excursion tour. They also glean insights and information about the people making or growing the food, regional history, and local culture. Hopefully, that experience will help shape the way people shop for food or select a restaurant. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Who takes your tours?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Family, friends, and coworkers. Lawyers, builders, doctors, retired grandmas, finance people, high-school sweethearts, activists, and moms who met when their kids were in preschool but are now in college or married with kids of their own. We offer \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/03/18/deaf-foodies-savor-gourmet-ghetto-tasting-tour-in-sign-language/\">sign-language tours to the deaf community\u003c/a> too. Some guests are just there to take it all in. Others think they are the world's foremost authorities about everything and want to share their knowledge with the rest of the group. As their guides, it's our job to manage the more challenging personalities so they're not interfering with other guests' experiences. Another typical personality we come across is someone who just can't get enough info and fires off question after question. It's great to have engaged customers but we're on a tight timeline so we know how to move things along gently so as not to offend or dismiss anyone. \u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_67069\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2915.jpg\">\u003cimg src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/07/fiss-2915.jpg\" alt=\"Edible Excursions tour in Oakland's Temescal neighborhood. Photo: Naomi Fiss\" width=\"1000\" height=\"664\" class=\"size-full wp-image-67069\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Edible Excursions tour in Oakland's Temescal neighborhood. Photo: Naomi Fiss\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What qualities do you look for in a guide?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A genuine desire to educate guests about the local food scene and the surrounding community. A great anticipator: A person who has a calm and collected demeanor in the face of disaster and difficult personalities who can adapt depending on the group, weather, or what's going on for our partner businesses. Someone who can build a strong rapport with guests and merchants. There's definitely a performance aspect to it: A guide needs to be on for three hours, even when most peoples' attention spans wane around the 30 minute mark. That's why we keep things moving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What's next for Edible Excursions?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>New tours, in no particular order: A San Francisco Cocktail Tour: The drinks menu has become an increasingly creative place and we want to spotlight the bartenders who are crafting these specialty sips. And, maybe because I'm a mom, I really look forward to a cocktail at the end of the day. More Oakland tours, in Uptown, Old Oakland, and beyond because the food scene there is exploding. There's incredible local pride along with a lot of chefs who might have opened in San Francisco who are heading to \u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/bayareabites/2013/02/24/chef-preeti-mistry-juhu-beach-club-in-temescal/\">Oakland\u003c/a> instead. It's perhaps the most exciting and talked about food scene locally. And Dogpatch in the city, because it's a hidden gem yet to get the attention it deserves. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I also want to offer culinary excursions for young families. So many kids are picky eaters and I think if they're given a fun way to explore other foods and flavors they might buy into it. Kids who are picky are more likely to try new things if the idea doesn't originate from their parents. Food tours are a great thing to do with terrible teens too; food really does help break down barriers and connect people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>If you could choose ahead, what would your Last Supper look like?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I could see going out with a smile after eating a Reuben sandwich from \u003ca href=\"http://stagslunchette.com/\">Stag's Lunchette\u003c/a>. But I'd need some clean greens on the side for a balance so maybe steamed broccoli rabe too. Oh, and a tequila cocktail to round out the mix.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/bayareabites/66849/bay-area-food-tours-behind-the-scenes-with-edible-excursions-founder-lisa-rogovin","authors":["5125"],"categories":["bayareabites_109","bayareabites_63","bayareabites_1146","bayareabites_1246","bayareabites_1875","bayareabites_1807","bayareabites_90","bayareabites_181"],"tags":["bayareabites_9996","bayareabites_12125","bayareabites_12121","bayareabites_1883","bayareabites_10964","bayareabites_4190","bayareabites_12123","bayareabites_9142","bayareabites_12126","bayareabites_8869","bayareabites_11449","bayareabites_2788","bayareabites_9108","bayareabites_10523","bayareabites_9144","bayareabites_12120","bayareabites_12128","bayareabites_12127","bayareabites_12124","bayareabites_9765","bayareabites_10313","bayareabites_9966","bayareabites_8925","bayareabites_10293","bayareabites_12122"],"featImg":"bayareabites_67078","label":"bayareabites"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. 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